Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 170 - Ubuntu 21.04 DVD & VLC

[Mark Dorrington]

Dear Dave

Thanks very much indeed for the infordmation

Highly Appreciated!

I can buy this at local sainsburys or whsmiths

Many Thanks

Mark.


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On Sun, 30 May 2021 at 09:30, Dave Hills  wrote:

>
> On Fri, 28 May 2021 at 11:13,  wrote:
>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Mark Dorrington 
>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 07:18:07 +0100
>> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Hello is it possible for me to buy a ubuntu dvd
>> As unfortunately i have to use pay as you go for my internet and the
>> ubuntu .iso
>> download is a huge download taken on my data allowance.
>>
>> Also is there a version of ubuntu that includes software such as drivers
>> and media
>> players such as vlc media player so it can install the operating system
>> and the other
>> software such as drivers and media players with having to use the
>> internet.
>>
>> I am also having s struggle getting these drivers to work:
>>
>>
>> https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=gb=en=dcp195c_all=128
>>
>> If you could please help me i would be highly grateful!
>>
>> Many Thanks
>>
>> Mark Dorrington.
>>
>>
> Hi Mark,
> Ubuntu 21.04 is available on a DVD on the cover of this month's Linux
> Format magazine of which I have copy.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNzEAeqEJRco56G77
> If you forward me your postal address off list (dave.hills.2...@gmail.com)
> I will happily post it to you.
>
> The Ubuntu software store has many media players including VLC.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dave
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 170 - Ubuntu 21.04 DVD & VLC

[Dave Hills]

On Fri, 28 May 2021 at 11:13,  wrote:

>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Mark Dorrington 
> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 07:18:07 +0100
> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Hello is it possible for me to buy a ubuntu dvd
> As unfortunately i have to use pay as you go for my internet and the
> ubuntu .iso
> download is a huge download taken on my data allowance.
>
> Also is there a version of ubuntu that includes software such as drivers
> and media
> players such as vlc media player so it can install the operating system
> and the other
> software such as drivers and media players with having to use the internet.
>
> I am also having s struggle getting these drivers to work:
>
>
> https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=gb=en=dcp195c_all=128
>
> If you could please help me i would be highly grateful!
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Mark Dorrington.
>
>
Hi Mark,
Ubuntu 21.04 is available on a DVD on the cover of this month's Linux
Format magazine of which I have copy.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNzEAeqEJRco56G77
If you forward me your postal address off list (dave.hills.2...@gmail.com)
I will happily post it to you.

The Ubuntu software store has many media players including VLC.


Best regards,

Dave

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 20.04 freezing at startup

[Liam Proven]

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 at 15:02, Ben Davies  wrote:
>
> I've been using it without problems for about 4 weeks. However, in the
> last 2 weeks it has started to stall at the boot screen

Check that the firmware is up-to-date. It should be on v1.7.4:

https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=ykctt=wt64a=latitude-15-5500-laptop

This was updated just last month so it is clear there were issues.

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[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 20.04 freezing at startup

[Ben Davies]

Hi,

I have installed Ubuntu 20.04 on a Dell Latitude 5500. I changed the 
BIOS settings to turn off RAID support as this was a prequisite for 
installing Ubuntu. I also shrank the Windows 10 partition, in Windows 
10, and installed Ubuntu to the larger parition using a usb thumb drive.


I've been using it without problems for about 4 weeks. However, in the 
last 2 weeks it has started to stall at the boot screen where Ubuntu is 
highlited and there is the option to select Windows boot manager and a 
few other options. Up until today it has stalled every other day, but 
the boots normally after a hard restart. However, today it stalled after 
three restarts in row, then booted normally on the fourth attempt.


I reset the BIOS after the second time it stalled, but it stallled a 
third time the booted normally.


I wonder if someone would be able to offer me some support in resolving 
this?


Best Wishes,

Ben



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 19.10 release Get Together

[James Thomas]

I was on holiday. Shame. I used to really enjoy these events! :)

I wonder whether holding other events are in order?
Like the Science museum one or the Real Ale Train et al...

Be good to reconnect with peeps. :)

Cheers

JT

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 15:37, Alan Pope  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *Hi all,Tomorrow is Ubuntu 19.10 release day, our 15th release so far. As
> is customary we’ve found a small London pub in which to celebrate. If
> you’re in the area of SE1 from 6pm, why not drop by and help us celebrate
> the Eoan Ermine :)The first few people will get a little ‘party bag’ of
> Ubuntu swag (and possibly a beer) :) Maybe see you there?Find out more at
> https://gettogether.community/events/2565/ubuntu-1910-release-party/
>  
> Thanks,popey*
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 19.10 release Get Together

[Mark Lawrence]

On 16/10/2019 16:02, Iain Cuthbertson wrote:

London is way out of the way!

Secondary release party in Manchester this weekend? ;)

Hope the release goes smoothly as 19.04 did, and you enjoy your beers in 
London.


Iain



Why shouldn't this be held in Mudeford as we have the most expensive 
beach huts in the country 
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clearly indicating that we must be more important? :)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 19.10 release Get Together

[Alan Pope]

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 15:36, Alan Pope  wrote:

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> *Hi all,Tomorrow is Ubuntu 19.10 release day, our 15th release so far. *
>

Duh, 15 years, 30 releases.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 19.10 release Get Together

[Alan Lord]

Gosh - Not been to one of these for *YEARS*

Am unlikely to make it but I will try if I can.

Al


On 16/10/2019 15:36, Alan Pope wrote:

*

Hi all,


Tomorrow is Ubuntu 19.10 release day, our 15th release so far. As is 
customary we’ve found a small London pub in which to celebrate. If 
you’re in the area of SE1 from 6pm, why not drop by and help us 
celebrate the Eoan Ermine :)



*The first few people will get a little ‘party bag’ of Ubuntu swag (and 
possibly a beer) :) Maybe see you there?*



Find out more at 
https://gettogether.community/events/2565/ubuntu-1910-release-party/



Thanks,

popey

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 19.10 release Get Together

[Iain Cuthbertson]

London is way out of the way!

Secondary release party in Manchester this weekend? ;)

Hope the release goes smoothly as 19.04 did, and you enjoy your beers in 
London.


Iain

On 16/10/2019 15:36, Alan Pope wrote:

*

Hi all,


Tomorrow is Ubuntu 19.10 release day, our 15th release so far. As is 
customary we’ve found a small London pub in which to celebrate. If 
you’re in the area of SE1 from 6pm, why not drop by and help us 
celebrate the Eoan Ermine :)


*The first few people will get a little ‘party bag’ of Ubuntu swag 
(and possibly a beer) :) Maybe see you there?*



Find out more at 
https://gettogether.community/events/2565/ubuntu-1910-release-party/



Thanks,

popey

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 19.10 release Get Together

[Liam Proven]

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 16:37, Alan Pope  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> Tomorrow is Ubuntu 19.10 release day, our 15th release so far. As is 
> customary we’ve found a small London pub in which to celebrate. If you’re in 
> the area of SE1 from 6pm, why not drop by and help us celebrate the Eoan 
> Ermine :)
>
>
> The first few people will get a little ‘party bag’ of Ubuntu swag (and 
> possibly a beer) :) Maybe see you there?

I do miss those gatherings, they were good fun.

I strongly recommend anyone reading this who is in easy reach of
London to go along.

I am in Prague these days, so I can't. :-( I don't know of a Prague
release party, but then, I don't really speak Czech yet... I've only
been learning for 5 years.

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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 19.10 release Get Together

[Alan Pope]

*Hi all,Tomorrow is Ubuntu 19.10 release day, our 15th release so far. As
is customary we’ve found a small London pub in which to celebrate. If
you’re in the area of SE1 from 6pm, why not drop by and help us celebrate
the Eoan Ermine :)The first few people will get a little ‘party bag’ of
Ubuntu swag (and possibly a beer) :) Maybe see you there?Find out more at
https://gettogether.community/events/2565/ubuntu-1910-release-party/

Thanks,popey*
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Youth

[Daniel Case]

I decided to have a look, the original founder is here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/philipballew but mostly hasn't been around
since 2016 or so, except on IRC where he was last seen August last
year. I can only assume he stepped down... I went to have a peek in
the #ubuntu-youth-council channel and #ubuntu-youth, seems the leader
right now is a guy called Jose but there's no-one else there:
j...@ubuntu.com - try reaching out?

I wouldn't hold out much hope though, it appears to be very inactive.

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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Youth

[Paul Sutton]

Hi

I just wondered if the Ubuntu Youth group is still running.

Their website is still up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuYouth but maybe
there are people here who are also part of that who can help act as a go
between here and their list.l

I am asking as I am up at meeting today and have a chance to talk /
network with groups who are involved with working with young people up
to 25) and as there are genuine opportunities it could be a way to reach
out.

Regards

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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Artful Fit & Finish Sprint

[Alan Pope]

Hey all,

I posted a blog post on insights this morning:-

https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/08/08/ubuntu-artful-desktop-fit-and-finish-sprint/

We're looking for people to join us in the London Canonical office on
August 24th after work between 4pm and 9pm to help get Ubuntu Artful
ready for release in October. The focus for this sprint is to look at
the fit and finish of the desktop. We're expecting more eyeballs to
help identify & fix glitches or inconsistencies now we're moving from
Unity to GNOME Shell by default.

Please take a look at the post, and if you can help, do fill in the
linked form. We'll provide pizza/beer/beverages during the evening.

https://goo.gl/forms/ufIDtjMqVP8dezCf1

Thanks!
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Entroware contact?

[Steve Mynott]

On 12 November 2016 at 12:49, Nigel Verity  wrote:

> Whilst I fully understand why a PC, pre-installed with a Linux distro, is
> no cheaper than one with Windows I do question what is gained by paying a
> significant premium. A Linux enthusiast will presumably be both prepared
> and able to install a distro on any piece of kit that can run it, the
> newbie will probably start with a PC he/she already owns, and the
> non-techie is unlikely to be interested to the extent of paying over the
> odds.
>

I've not seen any of the pre-installed linux systems being offered at a
"significant premium" -- usually they are roughly the same price as a
Windows system or slightly (but not much less). Can you cite an example of
such a system?

Old systems (particularly desktops)  usually work well with free UNIX-like
systems because people have had time to write device drivers for the
hardware.  Frequently brand new systems (particularly laptops) don't work
well due to lack of these drivers.

Even when laptops are relatively well supported its frequent that there are
issues with suspend and resume, wireless device stability and battery life
etc. Many of us who are Linux experts and have to deal with it all day at
work would quite like to buy an off the shelf system with decent Linux
support for home use and support the few companies offering these systems.
There are too few such systems available.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Entroware contact?

[Liam Proven]

On 12 November 2016 at 13:49, Nigel Verity  wrote:
> Whilst I fully understand why a PC, pre-installed with a Linux distro, is no
> cheaper than one with Windows

Go on then. Ignoring the misplaced comma, do please explain why. I
just want to check.

> I do question what is gained by paying a
> significant premium.

Freedom?

> A Linux enthusiast will presumably be both prepared and
> able to install a distro on any piece of kit that can run it,

To quote Dr Ben Goldacre, who used this as a book title...
I think you'll find it's a little more complicated than that.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Think-Youll-Find-More-Complicated/dp/0007462484/?tag=bs0b-21

For instance, generic PCs can come with firmware or hardware that is
only Windows-compatible, not Linux-compatible.

For example:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/28/lenovo_downward_dogs_with_yoga_bios_update_supporting_linux_installs/

So it might be worth paying a premium for something that you know *will* work.

For instance:

https://puri.sm/

>  the newbie
> will probably start with a PC he/she already owns,

Perhaps because they can't buy Linux hardware. They have no choice.

>  and the non-techie is
> unlikely to be interested to the extent of paying over the odds.

And those are people we need to convert, not ignore.

> I've never been able to persuade any non-Linux user to install Ubuntu or any
> other distro on a brand new machine. However, I've have a fair bit of
> success with people owning older PCs, those infested with malware and people
> who are simply sick of Windows. I believe they will all stay with Linux when
> they replace their kit, but will probably ask me to do the installation
> rather than pay extra for a pre-configured PC.

Depends on the marketing, I think.

> From my experience, encouraging people to use free software is relatively
> easy. I know plenty who have gone over to LibreOffice, GIMP etc, but on
> Windows. Cost (absence of) is the principle motivation. When it comes to the
> operating system itself, the cost of Windows on a new machine doesn't really
> feature - lots of people assume it is free of charge anyway.

True. And effectively, often, it is. I live in Central Europe now, and
even today, OS and app piracy remains rife.

> They will pay
> extra for a Mac because it is somehow perceived to be better - the triumph
> of hype and marketing.

That sounds like bigotry and lack of experience speaking, to be frank.

> This leaves Linux in a sort of limbo. If a computer
> that comes with Linux pre-installed is not cheaper than a Windows PC, then
> it's hard to see any other incentive.

Immunity from malware, spyware etc.? Guaranteed openness, freedom,
security? Performance? There are many possible reasons, if sold
correctly.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Entroware contact?

[Nigel Verity]

Whilst I fully understand why a PC, pre-installed with a Linux distro, is no 
cheaper than one with Windows I do question what is gained by paying a 
significant premium. A Linux enthusiast will presumably be both prepared and 
able to install a distro on any piece of kit that can run it, the newbie will 
probably start with a PC he/she already owns, and the non-techie is unlikely to 
be interested to the extent of paying over the odds.

I've never been able to persuade any non-Linux user to install Ubuntu or any 
other distro on a brand new machine. However, I've have a fair bit of success 
with people owning older PCs, those infested with malware and people who are 
simply sick of Windows. I believe they will all stay with Linux when they 
replace their kit, but will probably ask me to do the installation rather than 
pay extra for a pre-configured PC.

>From my experience, encouraging people to use free software is relatively 
>easy. I know plenty who have gone over to LibreOffice, GIMP etc, but on 
>Windows. Cost (absence of) is the principle motivation. When it comes to the 
>operating system itself, the cost of Windows on a new machine doesn't really 
>feature - lots of people assume it is free of charge anyway. They will pay 
>extra for a Mac because it is somehow perceived to be better - the triumph of 
>hype and marketing. This leaves Linux in a sort of limbo. If a computer that 
>comes with Linux pre-installed is not cheaper than a Windows PC, then it's 
>hard to see any other incentive.

Nige

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Entroware contact?

[Simon Greenwood]

If you're interested, PC Specialist (pc.co.uk) sell the same Clevo machines
for considerably less with similar configurations - they just don't support
Linux officially, although there is plenty of community support. I'm using
one with what has now become a combination of Xubuntu and Cinnamon desktop
and it works perfectly.

s/

On 11 November 2016 at 18:20, alan c  wrote:

> On 10/11/16 13:34, alan c wrote:
> > Anyone currently using, or had recent contact with Entroware?
> > https://www.entroware.com/store/
> > It has a nice site and an interesting range of products. A friend
> > contacted them recently, as I did also, with purchase inquiries,
> > however neither of us has had a reply. A year ago I had a useful reply
> > from an enquiry I made, but did not get a reply from a follow up
> > question, so I gave up. Until I tried again recently. It does not bode
> > well for viability.
> > Does anyone know more please?
> >
>
> Follow up:
>
> Reply received. A good succinct reply, and useful.
>
> In these days of greater transparency, I am still curious how it is
> such a reply takes 10 days or so to happen. My guess is they have a
> part time business model which I would have great respect for, but I
> would need to know a little more of the background before I advocated
> for them openly.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Entroware contact?

[alan c]

On 10/11/16 13:34, alan c wrote:
> Anyone currently using, or had recent contact with Entroware?
> https://www.entroware.com/store/
> It has a nice site and an interesting range of products. A friend
> contacted them recently, as I did also, with purchase inquiries,
> however neither of us has had a reply. A year ago I had a useful reply
> from an enquiry I made, but did not get a reply from a follow up
> question, so I gave up. Until I tried again recently. It does not bode
> well for viability.
> Does anyone know more please?
> 

Follow up:

Reply received. A good succinct reply, and useful.

In these days of greater transparency, I am still curious how it is
such a reply takes 10 days or so to happen. My guess is they have a
part time business model which I would have great respect for, but I
would need to know a little more of the background before I advocated
for them openly.
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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Entroware contact?

[alan c]

Anyone currently using, or had recent contact with Entroware?
https://www.entroware.com/store/
It has a nice site and an interesting range of products. A friend
contacted them recently, as I did also, with purchase inquiries,
however neither of us has had a reply. A year ago I had a useful reply
from an enquiry I made, but did not get a reply from a follow up
question, so I gave up. Until I tried again recently. It does not bode
well for viability.
Does anyone know more please?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Phone web browser broken

[David King]

I am still having a problem with my Ubuntu Phone, lots of it not working 
now. No web browser, no text messaging, no Network Indicator and thus no 
phone connection, no wifi connection and sometimes keyboard not working 
when trying to type.


If I reset the phone, and lose all my data, would everything work again?

And how would I back up my data. This page has some info, but not sure 
how to implement it:


https://askubuntu.com/questions/602850/how-do-i-backup-my-ubuntu-phone

   Backing up /home/phablet will backup everything except the apps
   which are in a number of places including /opt/click.ubuntu.com/ and
   /usr/share/click/preinstalled.


How would I go about backing up these places? If I connect the phone to 
my Ubuntu PC, these places are not all visible to the PC.



David K


On 15/08/16 22:25, David King wrote:
I have been using Ubuntu phone, BQ Aquarius E45, for the past year. 
Until now the web browser has always worked. But today it stopped 
working. I went to use it, and wanted to access my History, as all 
tabs had disappeared that had previously been open.


Then the web browser froze, and I had to close it. I tried to reopen, 
but as soon as I do, it crashes, closes right away. I tried rebooting 
the phone, but that did not help. Nothing else was running at the time 
it froze. Even after another reboot, I have not been able to open the 
web browser. Web apps, like Facebook, still work okay with no problems.


So how would I fix this? Is there a file to delete or edit in the 
filesystem? I have searched online already and found no answer.


Anyone else have this problem? I also checked Launchpad but could not 
see a bug report for this for the web browser.



David K


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Phone web browser broken

[Tony Pursell]

Hi Dave

No problem with the browser on my BQ Aquarius 4.5.

Tony


On 15 August 2016 at 22:25, David King  wrote:

> I have been using Ubuntu phone, BQ Aquarius E45, for the past year. Until
> now the web browser has always worked. But today it stopped working. I went
> to use it, and wanted to access my History, as all tabs had disappeared
> that had previously been open.
>
> Then the web browser froze, and I had to close it. I tried to reopen, but
> as soon as I do, it crashes, closes right away. I tried rebooting the
> phone, but that did not help. Nothing else was running at the time it
> froze. Even after another reboot, I have not been able to open the web
> browser. Web apps, like Facebook, still work okay with no problems.
>
> So how would I fix this? Is there a file to delete or edit in the
> filesystem? I have searched online already and found no answer.
>
> Anyone else have this problem? I also checked Launchpad but could not see
> a bug report for this for the web browser.
>
>
> David K
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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Phone web browser broken

[David King]

I have been using Ubuntu phone, BQ Aquarius E45, for the past year. 
Until now the web browser has always worked. But today it stopped 
working. I went to use it, and wanted to access my History, as all tabs 
had disappeared that had previously been open.


Then the web browser froze, and I had to close it. I tried to reopen, 
but as soon as I do, it crashes, closes right away. I tried rebooting 
the phone, but that did not help. Nothing else was running at the time 
it froze. Even after another reboot, I have not been able to open the 
web browser. Web apps, like Facebook, still work okay with no problems.


So how would I fix this? Is there a file to delete or edit in the 
filesystem? I have searched online already and found no answer.


Anyone else have this problem? I also checked Launchpad but could not 
see a bug report for this for the web browser.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 16.04 fsck and display issue (SOLVED)

[David Goldsbrough]

Finally fixed the problem - not 100% but I'm now happy!

First of all including nomodeset in my grub config file had no effect
whatsoever - perhaps this is just one of the examples that defies the usual
fix.  Remember my machine is a desktop with proprietary drivers(installed
during the upgrade) for a NVIDEA card

So I fixed it like this - taking all
http://askubuntu.com/questions/362722/how-to-fix-plymouth-splash-screen-in-all-ubuntu-releases/
the usual precautions to ensure I had a reversion path back should things
go wrong.  I will not pretend that I knew everything I was doing, but took
things on trust as I say ensuring I could revert back.

I used these 2 links as my inspiration:-

http://askubuntu.com/questions/362722/how-to-fix-plymouth-splash-screen-in-all-ubuntu-releases/

http://askubuntu.com/questions/6033/enabling-nvidia-driver-messes-up-splash-screen

>From within a terminal screen:-

1.  sudo apt-get install v86d
2.  sudo vi /etc/default/grub  (I am a vi man but other editors could be
used)
3.  Added the following 2 lines in the appropriate place in the file -
commenting out any conflicting lines and of course saving the file
  GRUB_GFXMODE=800x600x32
  GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
4.  At the terminal prompt I then typed the following

 echo FRAMEBUFFER=y | sudo tee /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash
sudo update-initramfs -u
sudo update-grub
5.  Exit the terminal screen, Shutdown and Reboot

Comment:-
There are ways of finding out the screen resolution capabilities of the
NVIDEA graphics card and I wanted 800x600x32 because of my low vision.
Read the second link above - but do not use hwinfo or install it - find out
the video capabilities inside a grub command session.

Added Bonus:-
This fix also fixed the fsck echo also - so that is no longer displayed
even though I suspect it still runs.

Remaining problems:-
Ubuntu logo is displayed on startup but after it disappears the flashing
dots remain for a while.  No Ubuntu logo appears on shutdown.  All well
known problems, but a fix for these will go on the backburner.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 16.04 fsck and display issue

[Liam Proven]

On 11 August 2016 at 12:17, David Goldsbrough  wrote:
> As always help and comments most welcome.


As far as I know, the order of quiet and splash make no odds.

You could add ``nomodeswitch'' right after them to try it out.

If you edit /etc/grub/default then you must run

sudo update-grub

.. afterwards for it to take effect.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 16.04 fsck and display issue

[David Goldsbrough]

Many thanks for the links provided regarding how to temp change the grub
config file at boot and indeed permanently.  Still the same though, no
splash screen on boot, although I have not attempted to change  the
/etc/default/grub file.  However, I did notice in there it said splash
quiet as opposed to quiet splash - which I did edit in the bootup along
with adding nomodeset - all to no effect.

I have researched further and last night even started the plymouth daemon
manually and managed to display the splash screen, so if it works manually
it should work auto also.

I am currently working on this
http://askubuntu.com/questions/362722/how-to-fix-plymouth-splash-screen-in-all-ubuntu-releases/

but before continuing I would welcome specifically some comment on the lines

echo FRAMEBUFFER=y | sudo tee /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash
sudo update-initramfs -u


I guess the first line creates that splash file as I don't have one
currently.The second line I guess invokes an up date which without
would render the first line a waste of time.  The third line is there to
update grub as a result of previous changes mentioned in the link to
/etc/default/grub.

I thought it might be best if I appended my grub file so here is without
all the usual commented lines.


GRUB_DEFAULT=0

GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""

GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=None

As always help and comments most welcome.
DaveG



On 10 August 2016 at 15:45, David Goldsbrough  wrote:

> I said (extract)
> > To the point, when I boot now I no longer see the "Ubuntu" message in the
>
>> > centre of the screen with the changing coloured dots underneath.   Do I
>> need to tweak something to re-instate it?
>> >
>>
>> Liam Proven said (extract)
>
>> >>I have successfully resurrected this in the >>past by adding the kernel
>> boot
>> >>parameter
>>
>> >>nomodeset
>>
>> >>You can try this at boot time by pressing E on >>the GRUB menu, and
>> adding it
>> >>to the end of the boot line.
>>
>> >>If it works, you can add it to /etc/GRUB/defaults.
>>
>> Well, I tried the suggestion to no effect.  I have looked through the
> logs but cannot find any hints - but I am not that experienced and my low
> vision can miss things.
>
> Undaunted I researched further.
> I thought this thread looked promising
>
> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321997
>
> and I checked a few things out but I suspect it was written before 16.04.1
> and .1 has corrected the bugs in part.  I noticed late it was for lubuntu
> but guessed ubuntu was the same.
>
> I am reading this at the moment
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth
> but again notice it predates 16.04
>
> I have not ruled out it is something to do with my graphics card nvidea
> but the upgrade appears to have installed the latest driver.
>
> If I understand things correctly the boot sequence goes something like
> this:-
> GRUB opens the kernal using certain parameters.  The kernal(s) have been
> pre-compiled during kernal updates and compilation includes ref to display
> drivers so the screen post GRUB works.  If this limited understanding is
> true, I am unclear when "plymouth" is called - prior to kernal opening I
> guess.  If this is true, then "plymouth" can only display splash screen in
> some form of monitor default mode.  But I am guessing.
> Can anyone point me in the right direction to try and fix please.  I'm not
> sure if it is still a formally recorded bug which I just need to await a
> fix for.
>
> Thanks
> DaveG
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 16.04 fsck and display issue

[Liam Proven]

On 10 August 2016 at 16:45, David Goldsbrough  wrote:
> Well, I tried the suggestion to no effect.  I have looked through the logs
> but cannot find any hints - but I am not that experienced and my low vision
> can miss things.


Sorry to hear that you're having problems.

Here is how to both temporarily try, and permanently add, kernel boot
parameters:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters

Here are some instructions specific to adding "nomodeset":

http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu

Plymouth is the program that displays the graphical loading screen. It
is run by the kernel early in the boot up process. It runs from the
initrd, so before the hard disk has even been mounted.

https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth/

Plymouth uses a kernel feature called KMS: kernel mode setting. This
allows the kernel to set the screen into graphics mode long before
X.org runs and the GUI starts.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_mode_setting

This can cause problems on some machines. Some of my machines display
the Plymouth graphics very early and the dots underneath the logo
animate for some time. Some display it very late and only for a short
time -- a second or so. Some do not display it at all, or only at
shutdown, often with colours distorted or the wrong palette.

But Plymouth is just decorative. You can remove it if you prefer. To
do so, replace the "splash" parameter in the GRUB entry with
"nosplash". If you want to see the kernel boot messages as they go
past, remove the "quiet" parameter.

http://askubuntu.com/questions/33416/how-do-i-disable-the-boot-splash-screen-and-only-show-kernel-and-boot-text-inst

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 16.04 fsck and display issue

[David Goldsbrough]

I said (extract)
> To the point, when I boot now I no longer see the "Ubuntu" message in the

> > centre of the screen with the changing coloured dots underneath.   Do I
> need to tweak something to re-instate it?
> >
>
> Liam Proven said (extract)

> >>I have successfully resurrected this in the >>past by adding the kernel
> boot
> >>parameter
>
> >>nomodeset
>
> >>You can try this at boot time by pressing E on >>the GRUB menu, and
> adding it
> >>to the end of the boot line.
>
> >>If it works, you can add it to /etc/GRUB/defaults.
>
> Well, I tried the suggestion to no effect.  I have looked through the logs
but cannot find any hints - but I am not that experienced and my low vision
can miss things.

Undaunted I researched further.
I thought this thread looked promising

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321997

and I checked a few things out but I suspect it was written before 16.04.1
and .1 has corrected the bugs in part.  I noticed late it was for lubuntu
but guessed ubuntu was the same.

I am reading this at the moment
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth
but again notice it predates 16.04

I have not ruled out it is something to do with my graphics card nvidea but
the upgrade appears to have installed the latest driver.

If I understand things correctly the boot sequence goes something like
this:-
GRUB opens the kernal using certain parameters.  The kernal(s) have been
pre-compiled during kernal updates and compilation includes ref to display
drivers so the screen post GRUB works.  If this limited understanding is
true, I am unclear when "plymouth" is called - prior to kernal opening I
guess.  If this is true, then "plymouth" can only display splash screen in
some form of monitor default mode.  But I am guessing.
Can anyone point me in the right direction to try and fix please.  I'm not
sure if it is still a formally recorded bug which I just need to await a
fix for.

Thanks
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 16.04 fsck and display issue

[Liam Proven]

On 9 August 2016 at 13:22, David Goldsbrough  wrote:

> So, I bit the bullet and upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04 on an old desktop as
> a pre cursor to upgrading my Lenovo T60  laptop - my sturdy workhorse for
> now.  One day I will get round to buying a 64bit machine.
>
> Any way, all went smoothly - no real problems.  I was glad that the
> upgrade retained all my settings especially my extra large mouse cursor as
> I have Low Vision - in fact the upgrade improved matters making my large
> cursor visible outside of FireFox where it only seemed to work under 14.04.
>
> To the point, when I boot now I no longer see the "Ubuntu" message in the
> centre of the screen with the changing coloured dots underneath.  No big
> issue, but it was one of those reassuring things when booting up.  I can
> live without it, but should it be doing this?  Do I need to tweak something
> to re-instate it?
>

I have successfully resurrected this in the past by adding the kernel boot
parameter

nomodeset

You can try this at boot time by pressing E on the GRUB menu, and adding it
to the end of the boot line.

If it works, you can add it to /etc/GRUB/defaults.

Maybe connected, I don't know, but on boot I see the remains I guess of an
> fsck output flash up a few times.  It says something like
>  /dev/sda5: clean, x/xxx files, xx/
> and then it proceeds to boot.  Doesn't take long - hence the reason why
> cannot see the exact numbers and jot down quickly enough.  Again, I guess
> its no big issue - the time to worry maybe would be if the output was
> different.  Again, do I need to do something to prevent this?  (/dev/sda5
> is the boot partition for ubuntu - Vista is on 2 other partitions and I
> think sda3 and sda4 are allocated to two DVD drives in the machine)
>

I get that too. I've decided to leave it. I find it reassuring.

If you're curious, you can add a file called ``forcefsk'' to the root
directory of your root filesystem and force a filesystem check. Then you'll
see the results. The file should be automatically removed after the check
is run.

The easiest way to do this is with the command:

sudo touch /forcefsck

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[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 16.04 fsck and display issue

[David Goldsbrough]

So, I bit the bullet and upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04 on an old desktop as
a pre cursor to upgrading my Lenovo T60  laptop - my sturdy workhorse for
now.  One day I will get round to buying a 64bit machine.

Any way, all went smoothly - no real problems.  I was glad that the upgrade
retained all my settings especially my extra large mouse cursor as I have
Low Vision - in fact the upgrade improved matters making my large cursor
visible outside of FireFox where it only seemed to work under 14.04.

To the point, when I boot now I no longer see the "Ubuntu" message in the
centre of the screen with the changing coloured dots underneath.  No big
issue, but it was one of those reassuring things when booting up.  I can
live without it, but should it be doing this?  Do I need to tweak something
to re-instate it?

Maybe connected, I don't know, but on boot I see the remains I guess of an
fsck output flash up a few times.  It says something like
 /dev/sda5: clean, x/xxx files, xx/
and then it proceeds to boot.  Doesn't take long - hence the reason why
cannot see the exact numbers and jot down quickly enough.  Again, I guess
its no big issue - the time to worry maybe would be if the output was
different.  Again, do I need to do something to prevent this?  (/dev/sda5
is the boot partition for ubuntu - Vista is on 2 other partitions and I
think sda3 and sda4 are allocated to two DVD drives in the machine)

Many thanks for reading and any responses you make.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu upgade 14.04 to 16.04 - incomplete Lois McNab

[William Anderson]

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Michael
 wrote:
> [nothing]

... OK?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu upgade 14.04 to 16.04 - incomplete Lois McNab

[Michael]

On 05/08/16 14:15, William Anderson wrote:

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Colin Law  wrote:

First a couple of points about protocol on this list.  Please don't
top post. Insert your reply into the previous message at appropriate
points.  Also please post in plain text not html.  Thanks.
[previous message quoted in entirety]

Also, trim your posts ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu upgade 14.04 to 16.04 - incomplete Lois McNab

[William Anderson]

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Colin Law  wrote:
> First a couple of points about protocol on this list.  Please don't
> top post. Insert your reply into the previous message at appropriate
> points.  Also please post in plain text not html.  Thanks.
> [previous message quoted in entirety]

Also, trim your posts ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu upgade 14.04 to 16.04 - incomplete Lois McNab

[Colin Law]

On 4 August 2016 at 13:43, Lois McNab <lois.mc...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Colin,
> Thank you for the advice.
>
> Excuse my ignorance , how do I run sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade?

First a couple of points about protocol on this list.  Please don't
top post. Insert your reply into the previous message at appropriate
points.  Also please post in plain text not html.  Thanks.

You type it and hit enter.  That is after logging in as I explained previously.
Now you can see the benefit of inserting replies.  If you had done
that my previous post explaining what to do would have been just above
this so you could easily find it.  Now you are going to have to scroll
down looking for my previous reply.

Colin

>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> Lois McNab
>
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> Hello,
> I started to upgrade on 1.8.2016 from 14.04 to 16.04 ?and the files were
> being upgraded , when it stopped/froze.
> I attempted to restart the computer ,pressed F1 the following message
> appeared on ?black screen:
> [?ok?]?Started create volatile files and directories.? ? ? ? ?starting
> update UTMP about System Boot/Shutdown...? ? ? ? ?starting network time
> synchronisation...[ok] ? starting update UTMP about system
> Boot/Shutdown..?[ok]?? started Network Time Synchronisation.[ok]?? Reached
> target System Time synchronised.[ok] ?Started Set console font and
> keymap.[ok]??Created slice system-getty.slice.[ok] ? started LSB: AppArmor
> initialisation.?[ok] ?started udev Kernel Device Manager.? ? ? ? ? starting
> Show Plymouth Boot screen[ok] ? Reached Target Printer
> Flashing cursor at bottom, I am unble to type anything.
> Any suggestions /advice ?would be much appreciated.
> ThanksLois?
> ?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu upgade 14.04 to 16.04 - incomplete Lois McNab

[Lois McNab]

Hi Colin,Thank you for the advice.
Excuse my ignorance , how do I run sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade?
Thanks in advance
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Hello,
I started to upgrade on 1.8.2016 from 14.04 to 16.04 ?and the files were being 
upgraded , when it stopped/froze.
I attempted to restart the computer ,pressed F1 the following message appeared 
on ?black screen:
[?ok?]?Started create volatile files and directories.? ? ? ? ?starting update 
UTMP about System Boot/Shutdown...? ? ? ? ?starting network time 
synchronisation...[ok] ? starting update UTMP about system 
Boot/Shutdown..?[ok]?? started Network Time Synchronisation.[ok]?? Reached 
target System Time synchronised.[ok] ?Started Set console font and 
keymap.[ok]??Created slice system-getty.slice.[ok] ? started LSB: AppArmor 
initialisation.?[ok] ?started udev Kernel Device Manager.? ? ? ? ? starting 
Show Plymouth Boot screen[ok] ? Reached Target Printer
Flashing cursor at bottom, I am unble to type anything.
Any suggestions /advice ?would be much appreciated.
ThanksLois?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu upgade 14.04 to 16.04 -incomplete

[Colin Law]

On 4 August 2016 at 07:22, Lois McNab  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I started to upgrade on 1.8.2016 from 14.04 to 16.04  and the files were
> being upgraded , when it stopped/froze.
>
> I attempted to restart the computer ,pressed F1 the following message
> appeared on  black screen:
> ...
> Flashing cursor at bottom, I am unble to type anything.

Hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 which
should take you to a terminal.  Login there and run
sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
if there are any errors come back to us.  Then reboot using
sudo reboot
and see if that helps
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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu upgade 14.04 to 16.04 -incomplete

[Lois McNab]

Hello,
I started to upgrade on 1.8.2016 from 14.04 to 16.04  and the files were being 
upgraded , when it stopped/froze.
I attempted to restart the computer ,pressed F1 the following message appeared 
on  black screen:
[ ok ] Started create volatile files and directories.         starting update 
UTMP about System Boot/Shutdown...         starting network time 
synchronisation...[ok]   starting update UTMP about system Boot/Shutdown.. [ok] 
  started Network Time Synchronisation.[ok]   Reached target System Time 
synchronised.[ok]  Started Set console font and keymap.[ok]  Created slice 
system-getty.slice.[ok]   started LSB: AppArmor initialisation. [ok]  started 
udev Kernel Device Manager.          starting Show Plymouth Boot screen[ok] 
  Reached Target Printer
Flashing cursor at bottom, I am unble to type anything.
Any suggestions /advice  would be much appreciated.
ThanksLois 
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 134, Issue 6

[Paul Waring]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:41:37PM +, Lois McNab wrote:
>Thanks for the suggestion. This is the message after I ran the unzip
>command:
>unzip:  cannot find or open v, v.zip or v.ZIP.

You need to pass the filename as one of the command line arguments. For
example, if your file is called myfile.zip, you should run:

unzip -v myfile.zip

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 134, Issue 6

[Lois McNab]

Hi Paul,
Thanks for the suggestion. This is the message after I ran the unzip command:
unzip:  cannot find or open v, v.zip or v.ZIP.
 Lois McNab

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Good morning ,
? I am attempting to open a zip file with archive manager? and the message '? 
an error occurred while loading the archive'.
Any suggestions?
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On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 09:54:42AM +, Lois McNab wrote:
>      I am attempting to open a zip file with archive manager  and the message
>    '  an error occurred while loading the archive'.
>    Any suggestions?

There are lots of things which could cause that message. Running unzip
on the command line might give you a more helpful message:

unzip -v [filename]

You might need to install it first (apt-get install unzip).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu: archive manager error

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On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 09:54:42AM +, Lois McNab wrote:
>  I am attempting to open a zip file with archive manager  and the message
>'  an error occurred while loading the archive'.
>Any suggestions?

There are lots of things which could cause that message. Running unzip
on the command line might give you a more helpful message:

unzip -v [filename]

You might need to install it first (apt-get install unzip).

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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu: archive manager error

[Lois McNab]

Good morning ,
  I am attempting to open a zip file with archive manager  and the message '  
an error occurred while loading the archive'.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 134, Issue 4

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Good morning
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>5. Re:  New hard drive errors (Colin Law)
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> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] New hard drive errors
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> Bought a new 3TB hard drive this week onto which I created a new GPT
> partition
> table and a 3TB ext4 partition. This completed successfully and I used
> rsync
> to copy some files onto it.
>
> The next day, I was unable to mount the drive and so I ran fsck on it. This
> failed pass 5: Checking group summary information with lots of block bitmap
> differences.
>
> I fixed these, but on running fsck a second time, these block differences
> were
> back.
>
> Now this drive is currently sat in an external USB tray so that I could
> copy
> files across before replacing the one in the computer. Are these errors
> due to
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[William Anderson]

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Stuart Ward  wrote:
> On 15 April 2016 at 00:35, William Anderson  wrote:
>>
>> From where?! :)
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262302223446 [snip]

Not too shabby!

I notice Dell are doing base-model Latitude 3450s for £189 ex VAT
right now ... http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/latitude-3450-laptop/pd

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[Stuart Ward]

On 15 April 2016 at 00:35, William Anderson  wrote:

> From where?! :)
>
>
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262302223446?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[Pete S]

On 15 April 2016 14:09:13 BST, Liam Proven  wrote:
>On 15 April 2016 at 01:35, William Anderson  wrote:
>>> I recently got a ex=-corporate thinkpad for under £200, with no OS,
>>> Quad i7 4G memory.
>>
>> From where?! :)
>
>
>Have to admit, that does sound exceptionally good!
>
>I vaguely covet one of these:
>
>http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/product_detail/14830/Lenovo-IBM-X201-Intel-i5-520M-2-4GHz-12-1-Laptop-4GB-160GB-Windows-7-Pro/
>
>But I already have an X200 so there's really no need.
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Hi, 
I've recently got a Dell inspiron 2nd hand for under £150 really happy with it, 
just worked out of the box (not that I had a box) I upgraded the ram (from 3 to 
8 gb)  wow what a difference that made 

Just my thoughts 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[Liam Proven]

On 15 April 2016 at 01:35, William Anderson  wrote:
>> I recently got a ex=-corporate thinkpad for under £200, with no OS,
>> Quad i7 4G memory.
>
> From where?! :)


Have to admit, that does sound exceptionally good!

I vaguely covet one of these:

http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/product_detail/14830/Lenovo-IBM-X201-Intel-i5-520M-2-4GHz-12-1-Laptop-4GB-160GB-Windows-7-Pro/

But I already have an X200 so there's really no need.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[William Anderson]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Stuart Ward  wrote:
> On 7 April 2016 at 16:26, Jim Price  wrote:
>> Any alternatives in a similar price range (£200 after trade-in for this one)
>> would be appreciated too.
>
> I recently got a ex=-corporate thinkpad for under £200, with no OS,
> Quad i7 4G memory.

From where?! :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[Stuart Ward]

On 7 April 2016 at 16:26, Jim Price  wrote:
> Any alternatives in a similar price range (£200 after trade-in for this one)
> would be appreciated too.

I recently got a ex=-corporate thinkpad for under £200, with no OS,
Quad i7 4G memory. You might find a local supplier who accept a check
for something like this. Excellent Linix machines are thinkpads...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptopOn

[amunizp]

Do let me (or us) know. I'm sure the question will come round again.

To the list and, mainly, digest mode users: sorry for replying to digest, not 
snipping or deleting. I'll be more careful next time. (The only right thing I 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[Jim Price]

On 08/04/16 08:15, amunizp wrote:


https://minifree.org/

They use a free Ubuntu derivative (trisquel) so no problem with drivers. (nor 
windows tax). As per paying by check I am sure they accept it (looking at their 
thoughts on paypal).

Do ask, they are a small UK based company and are quick to respond. good luck!


Thanks for that. I'll look into it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[Jim Price]

On 08/04/16 02:07, William Anderson wrote:

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Jim Price  wrote:

Does anyone know of a supplier of Ubuntu laptops who would accept payment by
cheque? I'm told eBuyer don't for this one:


I don't mean to derail the conversation, but if you are paying by
cheque, is this because you do not have a debit card for your bank
account from which you are drawing the cheque?  Have you considered
using a prepaid debit card instead?  I'd say most if not all online
stores will not accept cheques as payment these days due to the long
turnaround time and stronger possibility of payment failure
(debit/credit cards give a virtually immediate payment verification
response to the supplier).


The situation with paying by cheque is out of my control.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[Paul Waring]

On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 02:07:58AM +0100, William Anderson wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Jim Price  wrote:
> > Does anyone know of a supplier of Ubuntu laptops who would accept payment by
> > cheque? I'm told eBuyer don't for this one:
> 
> I don't mean to derail the conversation, but if you are paying by
> cheque, is this because you do not have a debit card for your bank
> account from which you are drawing the cheque?  Have you considered
> using a prepaid debit card instead?  I'd say most if not all online
> stores will not accept cheques as payment these days due to the long
> turnaround time and stronger possibility of payment failure
> (debit/credit cards give a virtually immediate payment verification
> response to the supplier).

I think Jim will struggle to find a shop anywhere, online or offline,
that accepts cheques. They've been pretty much killed off for consumer
to business transactions. A local small PC shop might be willing to
accept cheques, but that's the only place I can think of.

A pre-paid card is one option, though I believe they charge for loading
cash onto them. Another option would be to get a trusted person to buy
the laptop on their card, then reimburse them by cheque, though that
could cause issues later down the line if the laptop has a fault.

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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[amunizp]

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>   2. Re:  Ubuntu laptop (Tony Pursell)
>   3. Re:  Ubuntu laptop (Jim Price)
>   4. Re:  Ubuntu laptop (Tony Pursell)
>   5. Re:  Ubuntu laptop (Wechsel Wirkung)
>   6. Re:  Ubuntu laptop (James Morrissey)
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>
>
>
>De: Jim Price <d1vers...@hotmail.com>
>Para: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
>Enviado: Thu Apr 07 16:26:18 GMT+01:00 2016
>Asunto: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop
>
>Does anyone know of a supplier of Ubuntu laptops who would accept 
>payment by cheque? I'm told eBuyer don't for this one:
>
>http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es
>
>Any alternatives in a similar price range (£200 after trade-in for this
>
>one) would be appreciated too.
>
>JimP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>De: Tony Pursell <a...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.uk>
>Para: UK Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com>
>Enviado: Thu Apr 07 17:31:31 GMT+01:00 2016
>Asunto: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop
>
>Hi Jim
>
>I wouldn't by that one as one comment say it comes with 12.04 (which is
>out
>of support) and you can't easily update it because of the driver for
>the
>Realtek wifi card.
>
>I would go for any other computer that will run 14.04 or 16.04 out of
>the
>box, whether or not I had to overwrite the Windows on it.  You don't
>save
>much money by going for one with Ubuntu on it.
>
>Tony
>
>On 7 April 2016 at 16:26, Jim Price <d1vers...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a supplier of Ubuntu laptops who would accept
>payment
>> by cheque? I'm told eBuyer don't for this one:
>>
>> http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es
>>
>> Any alternatives in a similar price range (£200 after trade-in for
>this
>> one) would be appreciated too.
>>
>> JimP
>>
>>
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>
>De: Jim Price <d1vers...@hotmail.com>
>Para: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
>Enviado: Thu Apr 07 17:39:51 GMT+01:00 2016
>Asunto: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop
>
>Hi Tony,
>
>I'm still using 12.04 - I thought it was supported for 5 years, so 
>there's another year to go. Also, I would expect a machine which runs 
>12.04 would manage 16.04 without too much trouble, and might be cheaper
>
>as it has an older OS on it. There's not much else around at the £200
>mark.
>
>Jim
>
>On 07/04/16 17:31, Tony Pursell wrote:
>> Hi Jim
>>
>> I wouldn't by that one as one comment say it comes with 12.04 (which
>is out
>> of support) and you can't easily update it because of the driver for
>the
>> Realtek wifi card.
>>
>> I would go for any other computer that will run 14.04 or 16.04 out of
>the
>> box, whether or not I had to overwrite the Windows on it.  You don't
>save
>> much money by going for one with Ubuntu on it.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On 7 April 2016 at 16:26, Jim Price <d1vers...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know of a supplier of Ubuntu laptops who would accept
>payment
>>> by cheque? I'm told eBuyer don't for this one:
>>>
>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es
>>>
>>> Any alternatives in a similar price range (£200 after trade-in for
>this
>>> one) would be appreciated too.
>>>
>>> JimP
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[William Anderson]

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Jim Price  wrote:
> Does anyone know of a supplier of Ubuntu laptops who would accept payment by
> cheque? I'm told eBuyer don't for this one:

I don't mean to derail the conversation, but if you are paying by
cheque, is this because you do not have a debit card for your bank
account from which you are drawing the cheque?  Have you considered
using a prepaid debit card instead?  I'd say most if not all online
stores will not accept cheques as payment these days due to the long
turnaround time and stronger possibility of payment failure
(debit/credit cards give a virtually immediate payment verification
response to the supplier).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Laptop

[Nigel Verity]

I totally agree that looking for a laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed is probably 
not the best approach.

If it were a straight choice between buying model X with Windows or Ubuntu for 
the same price, then that would be very satisfying from an idealogical 
perspective. Back in the real world, however, you have to pragmatic - 
especially if you are on a modest budget. 

Best just buy the laptop which meets your requirements in terms of spec and 
price then overwrite Windows with Ubuntu as soon as you take it out of the box. 
Unless it is a very new model you will have no problem finding advice on the 
internet as to how well it runs Ubuntu before committing yourself. I've yet to 
find a desktop or laptop from a mainstream manufacturer which wouldn't run 
Ubuntu or, failing that, Mint with little or no configuration using a clean 
install - though I've had one or two issues trying to set up dual boot.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[James Morrissey]

In the vein of buying a laptop without an OS, The 'going linux' podcast
from last week featured someone talking about how he had bought a t420 and
got the specs up to the point that it beats out a new macbook pro.

http://ia801501.us.archive.org/25/items/glp295/glp295.mp3

It seems you can do it for about $500:
http://www.pcliquidations.com/p24202-lenovo-thinkpad-t420-4236?utm_source=google_medium=cse_term=24202=Cj0KEQjwipi4BRD7t6zGl6m75IgBEiQAn7CfF1x3S52kwTA04y3NxyHEcO1sN8yU4JG8TzmO89J_aawaAmhq8P8HAQ

Add a solid state drive, extra HDD in the media slot and some RAM and you
should be close to $500. You could keep the price a little lower if you
forewent on some of those specs.

Warning: in the podcast he favours Kali and Elementary, and complains that
Unity is a bit too slow.

j

On 7 April 2016 at 12:49, Wechsel Wirkung 
wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> just buy one laptop without an os maybe. I buyed on notebooksbilliger just
> an acer for 500 euro and
>
> installed just ubuntu by myself and i dont use ubuntu so long. its  much
> cheaper and easy
>
> Jim Price  hat am 7. April 2016 um 18:39
> geschrieben:
>
>
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> I'm still using 12.04 - I thought it was supported for 5 years, so
> there's another year to go. Also, I would expect a machine which runs
> 12.04 would manage 16.04 without too much trouble, and might be cheaper
> as it has an older OS on it. There's not much else around at the £200 mark.
>
> Jim
>
> On 07/04/16 17:31, Tony Pursell wrote:
>
> Hi Jim
>
> I wouldn't by that one as one comment say it comes with 12.04 (which is out
> of support) and you can't easily update it because of the driver for the
> Realtek wifi card.
>
> I would go for any other computer that will run 14.04 or 16.04 out of the
> box, whether or not I had to overwrite the Windows on it. You don't save
> much money by going for one with Ubuntu on it.
>
> Tony
>
> On 7 April 2016 at 16:26, Jim Price  wrote:
>
> >> Does anyone know of a supplier of Ubuntu laptops who would accept
> payment>> by cheque? I'm told eBuyer don't for this one:
> >>
> >> http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es
> >>
> >> Any alternatives in a similar price range (£200 after trade-in for this
> >> one) would be appreciated too.
> >>
> >> JimP
> >>
> >>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[Wechsel Wirkung]

Hi Jim,

just buy one laptop without an os maybe. I buyed on notebooksbilliger just an
acer for 500 euro and

installed just ubuntu by myself and i dont use ubuntu so long. its  much cheaper
and easy

> 
> Jim Price  hat am 7. April 2016 um 18:39
> geschrieben:
> 
> 
> Hi Tony,
> 
> I'm still using 12.04 - I thought it was supported for 5 years, so
> there's another year to go. Also, I would expect a machine which runs
> 12.04 would manage 16.04 without too much trouble, and might be cheaper
> as it has an older OS on it. There's not much else around at the £200
> mark.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On 07/04/16 17:31, Tony Pursell wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > Hi Jim
> > 
> > I wouldn't by that one as one comment say it comes with 12.04 (which
> > is out
> > of support) and you can't easily update it because of the driver for
> > the
> > Realtek wifi card.
> > 
> > I would go for any other computer that will run 14.04 or 16.04 out
> > of the
> > box, whether or not I had to overwrite the Windows on it. You don't
> > save
> > much money by going for one with Ubuntu on it.
> > 
> > Tony
> > 
> > On 7 April 2016 at 16:26, Jim Price  wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> >> Does anyone know of a supplier of Ubuntu laptops who would accept
> >> payment>> by cheque? I'm told eBuyer don't for this one:
> >>
> >> http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es
> >>
> >> Any alternatives in a similar price range (£200 after trade-in for this
> >> one) would be appreciated too.
> >>
> >> JimP
> >>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[Tony Pursell]

Sorry, you are right, it's good for another year.  But there is still the
issue with the wifi.

On 7 April 2016 at 17:39, Jim Price  wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
> I'm still using 12.04 - I thought it was supported for 5 years, so there's
> another year to go. Also, I would expect a machine which runs 12.04 would
> manage 16.04 without too much trouble, and might be cheaper as it has an
> older OS on it. There's not much else around at the £200 mark.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On 07/04/16 17:31, Tony Pursell wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim
>>
>> I wouldn't by that one as one comment say it comes with 12.04 (which is
>> out
>> of support) and you can't easily update it because of the driver for the
>> Realtek wifi card.
>>
>> I would go for any other computer that will run 14.04 or 16.04 out of the
>> box, whether or not I had to overwrite the Windows on it.  You don't save
>> much money by going for one with Ubuntu on it.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On 7 April 2016 at 16:26, Jim Price  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know of a supplier of Ubuntu laptops who would accept payment
>>> by cheque? I'm told eBuyer don't for this one:
>>>
>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es
>>>
>>> Any alternatives in a similar price range (£200 after trade-in for this
>>> one) would be appreciated too.
>>>
>>> JimP
>>>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[Jim Price]

Hi Tony,

I'm still using 12.04 - I thought it was supported for 5 years, so 
there's another year to go. Also, I would expect a machine which runs 
12.04 would manage 16.04 without too much trouble, and might be cheaper 
as it has an older OS on it. There's not much else around at the £200 mark.


Jim

On 07/04/16 17:31, Tony Pursell wrote:

Hi Jim

I wouldn't by that one as one comment say it comes with 12.04 (which is out
of support) and you can't easily update it because of the driver for the
Realtek wifi card.

I would go for any other computer that will run 14.04 or 16.04 out of the
box, whether or not I had to overwrite the Windows on it.  You don't save
much money by going for one with Ubuntu on it.

Tony

On 7 April 2016 at 16:26, Jim Price  wrote:


Does anyone know of a supplier of Ubuntu laptops who would accept payment
by cheque? I'm told eBuyer don't for this one:

http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es

Any alternatives in a similar price range (£200 after trade-in for this
one) would be appreciated too.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[Tony Pursell]

Hi Jim

I wouldn't by that one as one comment say it comes with 12.04 (which is out
of support) and you can't easily update it because of the driver for the
Realtek wifi card.

I would go for any other computer that will run 14.04 or 16.04 out of the
box, whether or not I had to overwrite the Windows on it.  You don't save
much money by going for one with Ubuntu on it.

Tony

On 7 April 2016 at 16:26, Jim Price  wrote:

> Does anyone know of a supplier of Ubuntu laptops who would accept payment
> by cheque? I'm told eBuyer don't for this one:
>
> http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es
>
> Any alternatives in a similar price range (£200 after trade-in for this
> one) would be appreciated too.
>
> JimP
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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu laptop

[Jim Price]

Does anyone know of a supplier of Ubuntu laptops who would accept 
payment by cheque? I'm told eBuyer don't for this one:


http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es

Any alternatives in a similar price range (£200 after trade-in for this 
one) would be appreciated too.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7

[Nigel Verity]

Thanks for all the suggestions.

I tried "sftp user@hostname" as advised and that did indeed work fine. This set 
me off on a search for known problems with Filezilla. It seems a lot of Fedora 
users were having similar problems with Filezilla 3.7.3, which turned out to be 
the version I was running. For some reason it was disallowing SFTP connections 
using SSH keys.

I've installed a later version (3.10.2) from a PPA and everything is now 
working fine.

Cheers

Nige

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> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 20:24:14 +
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> To: Ubuntu UK Mailing List 
> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] SFTP Problem
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Hi
> 
> I've just installed Xubuntu 15.10 on an Acer netbook. I've installed Xubuntu 
> many times before but not 15.10. It works fine.
> 
> My standard routine is to next install openSSH-server and SSHFS, then start 
> the SSH service.
> 
> The situation now is that I can SSH into the box and I can mount its file 
> system on a remote computer using SSHFS. For all that success, though, I 
> cannot access the box from any other using Filezilla (SFTP). It just hangs 
> then times out. I know it's not a problem with Filezilla per se as all my 
> other laptops can "see" each other through it.
> 
> Can anybody suggest where the cause may lie? Permissions perhaps?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone - F-DROID

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On 04/12/15 15:52, Barry Drake wrote:
> On 04/12/15 15:16, Liam Proven wrote:
>> I talked to the Tizen people at LinuxCon Europe in October.> It
>> is not as locked-down as all that, not for developers. But bear
>> in mind, it's for semi-embedded use, for locked-down
>> single-function or narrow-function devices with a rich UI. It's
>> not a desktop distro or one for the end-user to get in and
>> customise.
> 
> I took a further look this morning.  It is impossible (almost) to
> get Android apps without going via Google Play.  In order to use
> Google Play, you have to give a Google login, and that  means a
> Google account with all the information grabbing they do.  The
> outside sources (Amazon is one), have a very limited range of apps,
> most of which are not for serious work.
> 
> I've looked at both Tizen, and Sailfish Maybe that's a good reason
> for Ubuntu's lack of enthusiasm for an Android layer.
> 
> Regards,Barry.

You can get free software apps (free as in freedom) from F-droid.

https://f-droid.org/

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

[Barry Drake]

>Not sure what you mean by gnome menus in the top panel. Can you be
>more explicit? Are you running Ubuntu with Unity?

Hi Colin .   When you move the mouse pointer into the top panel, 
many applications show a menu on the left of the top panel. Libreoffice 
is one example, but the one I'm having a problem with is Audacity.  The 
menu works OK in Thunderbird, but not in the others. I suppose I'll 
report it as and 'Audacity' bug, and see what response I get.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

[Colin Law]

On 13 January 2016 at 18:07, Barry Drake  wrote:
>>Not sure what you mean by gnome menus in the top panel. Can you be
>>more explicit? Are you running Ubuntu with Unity?
>
> Hi Colin .   When you move the mouse pointer into the top panel, many
> applications show a menu on the left of the top panel. Libreoffice is one
> example, but the one I'm having a problem with is Audacity.  The menu works
> OK in Thunderbird, but not in the others. I suppose I'll report it as and
> 'Audacity' bug, and see what response I get.

Both Audacity and LibreOffice ok on fully updated 16.04 here.  Have
you tried doing another update in case you you updated whilst the
repos themselves were being updated so you did not get all that you
should have?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

[Simon Greenwood]

There is a known issue with the Audacity package in 15.10 in that it was
built against the wrong version of wxWidgets so this may be related. The
Audacity devs advise using their PPA and release.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:15 Colin Law  wrote:

> On 13 January 2016 at 18:07, Barry Drake 
> wrote:
> >>Not sure what you mean by gnome menus in the top panel. Can you be
> >>more explicit? Are you running Ubuntu with Unity?
> >
> > Hi Colin .   When you move the mouse pointer into the top panel, many
> > applications show a menu on the left of the top panel. Libreoffice is one
> > example, but the one I'm having a problem with is Audacity.  The menu
> works
> > OK in Thunderbird, but not in the others. I suppose I'll report it as and
> > 'Audacity' bug, and see what response I get.
>
> Both Audacity and LibreOffice ok on fully updated 16.04 here.  Have
> you tried doing another update in case you you updated whilst the
> repos themselves were being updated so you did not get all that you
> should have?
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[Barry Drake]

Hi    In 16.04, currently all the gnome menus on the top panel seem 
to have disappeared.  This makes some applications, Libreoffice, not 
fully useable as some functions can only be accessed from the menu.  I 
can't find an existing bug report for this.  What program should I 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

[Colin Law]

On 13 January 2016 at 15:46, Barry Drake  wrote:
> Hi    In 16.04, currently all the gnome menus on the top panel seem to
> have disappeared.  This makes some applications, Libreoffice, not fully
> useable as some functions can only be accessed from the menu.  I can't find
> an existing bug report for this.  What program should I report it against
> please?

Not sure what you mean by gnome menus in the top panel.  Can you be
more explicit?  Are you running Ubuntu with Unity?

I will update mine (has not been done for a couple of days) to see if I see it.

Colin

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 04/12/15 15:16, Liam Proven wrote:
> I talked to the Tizen people at LinuxCon Europe in October.>
> It is not as locked-down as all that, not for developers. But bear in
> mind, it's for semi-embedded use, for locked-down single-function or
> narrow-function devices with a rich UI. It's not a desktop distro or
> one for the end-user to get in and customise.

I took a further look this morning.  It is impossible (almost) to get 
Android apps without going via Google Play.  In order to use Google 
Play, you have to give a Google login, and that  means a Google account 
with all the information grabbing they do.  The outside sources (Amazon 
is one), have a very limited range of apps, most of which are not for 
serious work.


I've looked at both Tizen, and Sailfish
Maybe that's a good reason for Ubuntu's lack of enthusiasm for an 
Android layer.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Liam Proven]

On 3 December 2015 at 11:58, Barry Drake  wrote:
> And the code Sailfish use for the Android platform is mostly FOSS and
> downloadable straight from the Sailfish site.


This, though, is a potentially possible route. Same as you can install
the `ubuntu-restricted-extras` package and get Java, Flash, MS Core
Fonts, etc. If you could install a hacked Sailfish Java runtime and
get apps that way, then it'd be cool and helpful -- while keeping the
noobs away.

But Sailfish, AIUI, is derived from Moblin and Maemo. It has an X
server and all that. It's very different from Ubuntu Mobile.

OTOH, if Ubuntu, Jolla and Blackberry formed a consortium to develop
and support an unofficial, 3rd party, FOSS Android Java Runtime for
their 3 mobile OSes, it would be to the advantage of all of them.

So might unicorns that poop icecream that was then delivered by flying
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Liam Proven]

On 4 December 2015 at 16:52, Barry Drake  wrote:
> I took a further look this morning.  It is impossible (almost) to get
> Android apps without going via Google Play.  In order to use Google Play,
> you have to give a Google login, and that  means a Google account with all
> the information grabbing they do.  The outside sources (Amazon is one), have
> a very limited range of apps, most of which are not for serious work.
>
> I've looked at both Tizen, and Sailfish
> Maybe that's a good reason for Ubuntu's lack of enthusiasm for an Android
> layer.


Er, I don't see how this is a comment or reply to what I said, but
hey, whatever.

Android consists of 2 parts:

* The OS -- Linux kernel, userland, Java runtime, GUI etc. FOSS, no licence fee.

* Google Mobile Services -- the value-added Google apps including the
Google Play services. Proprietary, freeware, licensed.

Android is entirely usable and moderately useful without GMS, but you
can't install apps from the Play store.

The Blackberry 10 OS includes an emulator for Android apps, including
an installer and the Amazon App Store. Few useful apps are in there --
lots of crappy little freebies, dumb games, and trial versions of paid
wrappers around websites. But, they all seem to work.

GMS adds, or enables, the useful stuff: Gmail, gMaps, gCalendar,
gContacts etc. But they don't all work on BB10 and they wouldn't all
work on Ubuntu either.

You can't licence GMS on its own. Without GMS, Android compatibility
isn't much use. This is a deliberate move by Google to protect its OS
and I can't entirely blame them.

I am told by a friend who has both BB10 and Jolla Sailfish phones that
Sailfish has much better GMS compatibility. But then, Sailfish is
Linux and BB10 isn't.

BB10's based Android compatibility is great. But GMS is a naughty
hack, only some apps work and most moan about missing Google Play
services -- some then crash or abort, some display an error but work
if you ignore it, some display an error and you must press OK at which
point they crash.

But it's a suboptimal experience.

I see no way around this unless Google and Blackberry did a deal,
which seems vanishingly unlikely. But then, BB is now an Android
licensee with the Priv, so maybe...

Similarly, I don't see Ubuntu signing up. It would be strongly
disadvantageous to them as a company to do so: if Ubuntu Mobile ran
Android apps officially, then there'd never be many native apps & the
whole point of the OS would go out the metaphorical window.

The USP of Ubuntu Mobile is that it's a full Linux OS and can run full
desktop apps. Android apps don't do that. Android on the desktop is
not a good experience.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Alan Pope]

On 4 December 2015 at 15:52, Barry Drake  wrote:
> I took a further look this morning.  It is impossible (almost) to get
> Android apps without going via Google Play.  In order to use Google Play,
> you have to give a Google login, and that  means a Google account with all
> the information grabbing they do.  The outside sources (Amazon is one), have
> a very limited range of apps, most of which are not for serious work.
>

Indeed. On Sailfish I know some people will optionally install the
necessary Google components to enable them to fill the gaps in the app
ecosystem.

> I've looked at both Tizen, and Sailfish
> Maybe that's a good reason for Ubuntu's lack of enthusiasm for an Android
> layer.
>

We've discussed this repeatedly at length over the years of Ubuntu
Phone's development. It's very much a double edged sword. If you add
Android (or indeed any other OS) compatibility you're actively making
it less likely people will develop specifically for your platform.
You're also tied to the Google release cycle, and as Google don't
release the software for Android until late in the development cycle,
you're always playing catch-up.

I don't think that means we'd never have Android compatibility though.
If some 3rd party made an app framework which developers could use to
bring single, specific Android applications to Ubuntu phone, and
shipped that library in the store, then it may well be viable. But
baking that into the platform might not be prudent. Hard to tell.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 02/12/15 12:52, Barry Drake wrote:

TIZEN

They seem way ahead of Ubuntu in the phone market.  I'm sad about that.>
I've subscribed to one of their mailing lists to keep informed.


I talked to some of the Tizen developer guys - The told me their OS is 
so locked in, you wouldn't recognise it as a Linux distro.  You can't 
access root at all, and a lot of the more powerful commandline items 
have been removed!  One guy's comment was 'If you are any kind of 
hacker, it is not for you'.  Sailfish (Jolla) is very much for the 
hacker and the developer.  But - you'll like this - several guys at 
Tizen said that the Ubuntu is the best of the lot!  They feel that if it 
could support Android, it would have an enormous market!  And the code 
Sailfish use for the Android platform is mostly FOSS and downloadable 
straight from the Sailfish site.


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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone problems

[David King]

Since the latest system update a few days ago, has anyone else 
experienced some problems?


Cannot connect to my Ubuntu PC on USB any more, PC does not recognise 
phone being there, although it did previously.
Cannot read some emails in Dekko, they just appear blank, but were okay 
before.
When clicking a link to a website from a webapp and the kind of web 
browser lite window appears, it keeps reloading itself (problem since 
last two updates).
Some apps seem less stable in general and more likely to crash, 
including web browser and Podbird.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Alan Pope]

On 2 December 2015 at 12:52, Barry Drake  wrote:
> They seem way ahead of Ubuntu in the phone market.  I'm sad about that.
>

Inevitable. They had a massive head start and are/were backed by two
massive companies - Intel & Samsung which have many hundreds of
developers available to work on the platform. We are punching above
our weight in this area.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 01/12/15 14:15, Alan Pope wrote:

No, other platforms (Jolla, Tizen) have it.


Thanks Alan.   I've looked carefully at Tizen.  Their site's a bit 
strange to navigate around, but I found it quite fascinating.  They are 
now listing on ebay some Tizen OS smartphones, and they have a number of 
different makes of phones available in the US.  Not expensive either.


They seem way ahead of Ubuntu in the phone market.  I'm sad about that.

I've subscribed to one of their mailing lists to keep informed.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 01/12/15 16:45, Pete S wrote:

Too scared of bricking my phone to take the plunge and put Ubuntu on it!
One day..


It just so happens that I've scheduled a listing for my old phone on 
ebay.  I won't get a lot for it, and I'm very willing to risk that one. 
 I've just looked on the web site.  There used to be a list of phones 
that had been tried, and what to download from where, and how to install 
it.  That information seems to have disappeared from the Ubuntu site 
now.  Is it still around?  My phone is a Samsung Galaxy Young2.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Tony Pursell]

On 1 December 2015 at 20:57, Colin Law  wrote:

> On 1 December 2015 at 17:47, Tony Pursell 
> wrote:
> > I have both an Android and an Ubuntu phone.  The only Google thing the
> > Ubuntu phone doesn't do is Hangouts.  I would love to have that.  What I
> do
> > have is Gmail, G+, Maps & Calendar.
>
> For those that use it Hangouts is an essential (including integration with
> SMS).
> Does it do google navigation?  The real-time traffic data is the killer
> there.
> I am not trying to be negative about Ubuntu Phone, it would be great
> if it manages to catch up with Android.
>


> Not had any occasion to try navigation. It will plot routes OK in Google
> maps. I have to say that the location is not as precise as with my android
> phone. About 100 metres out. Don't know if that is down to Ubuntu or the BQ
> phone itself.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Colin Law]

On 1 December 2015 at 17:47, Tony Pursell  wrote:
> I have both an Android and an Ubuntu phone.  The only Google thing the
> Ubuntu phone doesn't do is Hangouts.  I would love to have that.  What I do
> have is Gmail, G+, Maps & Calendar.

For those that use it Hangouts is an essential (including integration with SMS).
Does it do google navigation?  The real-time traffic data is the killer there.
I am not trying to be negative about Ubuntu Phone, it would be great
if it manages to catch up with Android.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 01/12/15 20:54, Barry Drake wrote:

It just so happens that I've scheduled a listing for my old phone on
ebay.  I won't get a lot for it, and I'm very willing to risk that one.
  I've just looked on the web site.  There used to be a list of phones
that had been tried, and what to download from where, and how to install
it.


Found it.  It doesn't have a Huawei in the list, but I might take a 
chance anyhow.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Pete S]

Hi, 

And here's me using Android phone and all I really want is phone / text camera 
email,  and browser,  a few games would be a luxury... 

Too scared of bricking my phone to take the plunge and put Ubuntu on it!  One 
day.. 

Pete S 

On 1 December 2015 16:39:52 GMT+00:00, Alan Pope  wrote:
>On 1 December 2015 at 16:35, Colin Law  wrote:
>> Without the Google Apps (Gmail, Hangouts, Maps, navigation, G+) a lot
>> of Android users will be very resistant to moving to Ubuntu,
>> unfortunately.
>>
>
>..and many don't need any of those.. :)
>
>My brother - a very typical mobile phone user - just switched from a
>Samsung Android device to a Nokia/Windows device because all he wants
>is Facebook, a camera and browser.
>
>There's a lot of different types of users out there.
>
>Al.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Colin Law]

On 1 December 2015 at 16:39, Alan Pope  wrote:
> On 1 December 2015 at 16:35, Colin Law  wrote:
>> Without the Google Apps (Gmail, Hangouts, Maps, navigation, G+) a lot
>> of Android users will be very resistant to moving to Ubuntu,
>> unfortunately.
>>
>
> ..and many don't need any of those.. :)
>
> My brother - a very typical mobile phone user - just switched from a
> Samsung Android device to a Nokia/Windows device because all he wants
> is Facebook, a camera and browser.
>
> There's a lot of different types of users out there.

Agreed, I was not suggesting otherwise.  Though certainly a
significant majority of the dozen or so Android users I know require
at least a couple of the google apps.  They are not necessarily
typical users however.

For myself I wish I could justify having a second phone in order to
have Ubuntu on it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Tony Pursell]

I have both an Android and an Ubuntu phone.  The only Google thing the
Ubuntu phone doesn't do is Hangouts.  I would love to have that.  What I do
have is Gmail, G+, Maps & Calendar.

Tony

On 1 December 2015 at 16:48, Colin Law  wrote:

> On 1 December 2015 at 16:39, Alan Pope  wrote:
> > On 1 December 2015 at 16:35, Colin Law  wrote:
> >> Without the Google Apps (Gmail, Hangouts, Maps, navigation, G+) a lot
> >> of Android users will be very resistant to moving to Ubuntu,
> >> unfortunately.
> >>
> >
> > ..and many don't need any of those.. :)
> >
> > My brother - a very typical mobile phone user - just switched from a
> > Samsung Android device to a Nokia/Windows device because all he wants
> > is Facebook, a camera and browser.
> >
> > There's a lot of different types of users out there.
>
> Agreed, I was not suggesting otherwise.  Though certainly a
> significant majority of the dozen or so Android users I know require
> at least a couple of the google apps.  They are not necessarily
> typical users however.
>
> For myself I wish I could justify having a second phone in order to
> have Ubuntu on it.
>
> Colin
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 01/12/15 22:57, Barry Drake wrote:


Found it.  It doesn't have a Huawei in the list, but I might take a
chance anyhow.


Huawei is my new phone.  I meant Samsung Galaxy Young2.  The history 
shows that Samsung worked well on early models, but everything remotely 
recent; the Galaxy Note for example, worked, but broke after a while. 
There is currently no work on Galaxy in progress.


I still just might have a go - but maybe not.  OTOH, there is active 
work on an Android interface, but it's slowed to a crawl.  Maybe an 
online petition somewhere might help.  Any thoughts?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Alan Pope]

Hi Barry,

On 1 December 2015 at 14:10, Barry Drake  wrote:
> Hi there   I've just had to get a new Android phone.  I still feel very
> 'locked in'.  I'd love to have an Ubuntu phone, but am wondering if it will
> ever have an Android compatibility layer.

Who knows. There's no plan to do that right now.

> Is it Google's policy not to allow it?

No, other platforms (Jolla, Tizen) have it.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Liam Proven]

On 1 December 2015 at 15:15, Alan Pope  wrote:
> No, other platforms (Jolla, Tizen) have it.


And Blackberry 10, which isn't even a version of Linux. (I have a
Passport, a new smartphone with an actual physical *keyboard*. There's
innovation for you!)

Android apps are essentially Java apps -- Android compatibility means 2 things:
[1] a sort of special JVM
[2] Google Play services, because sadly many apps require these.


I believe there is also an Android runtime for Windows Phone, but MS
is considering killing it or already has.

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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

Hi there   I've just had to get a new Android phone.  I still feel 
very 'locked in'.  I'd love to have an Ubuntu phone, but am wondering if 
it will ever have an Android compatibility layer.  Is it Google's policy 
not to allow it?


With regard to the last few emails on the $5 computer thread - I've 
still got my old slide rule. Back when I was an engineer, I regularly 
used a calculation involving a fifth-root.  I'm sure it was quicker than 
the calculators of that era were.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 01/12/15 14:19, Liam Proven wrote:

On 1 December 2015 at 15:15, Alan Pope  wrote:

No, other platforms (Jolla, Tizen) have it.



And Blackberry 10, which isn't even a version of Linux. (I have a
Passport, a new smartphone with an actual physical *keyboard*. There's
innovation for you!)


Oh, I know it's quite feasible.  And quite a lot of the system is open 
source.  Since it runs on a very limited Linux kernel, I can see it 
wouldn't be much of a problem.  If any of the phone team are listening, 
please put it on the wish-list.


The physical keyboard is retrovation.  My first smartphone was running 
Windows Mobile 5.  I updated an app to run on that phone, and had to 
write a Windows XP app to allow modules (texts) to be added.  It was 
that process that finally made me bin Windows altogether.  It was just 
so flakey under the surface, and the 'Frameworks' were ridiculous to 
work with.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Colin Law]

On 1 December 2015 at 16:17, Barry Drake  wrote:
> On 01/12/15 14:19, Liam Proven wrote:
>>
>> On 1 December 2015 at 15:15, Alan Pope  wrote:
>>>
>>> No, other platforms (Jolla, Tizen) have it.
>
>
>> And Blackberry 10, which isn't even a version of Linux. (I have a
>> Passport, a new smartphone with an actual physical *keyboard*. There's
>> innovation for you!)
>
>
> Oh, I know it's quite feasible.  And quite a lot of the system is open
> source.  Since it runs on a very limited Linux kernel, I can see it wouldn't
> be much of a problem.  If any of the phone team are listening, please put it
> on the wish-list.

Without the Google Apps (Gmail, Hangouts, Maps, navigation, G+) a lot
of Android users will be very resistant to moving to Ubuntu,
unfortunately.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Alan Pope]

On 1 December 2015 at 16:35, Colin Law  wrote:
> Without the Google Apps (Gmail, Hangouts, Maps, navigation, G+) a lot
> of Android users will be very resistant to moving to Ubuntu,
> unfortunately.
>

..and many don't need any of those.. :)

My brother - a very typical mobile phone user - just switched from a
Samsung Android device to a Nokia/Windows device because all he wants
is Facebook, a camera and browser.

There's a lot of different types of users out there.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu update warning messages

[Alan Pope]

On 22 October 2015 at 19:03, David Goldsbrough  wrote:
> I am using 14.04 LTS.
> I use the "about Computer" facility to update on a regular basis or when
> reminded to do so.
> I always like to display what is going on if only to half understand what is
> going on,
> Today during the big kernal, etc updates I noticed some warning message with
> a suggestion on a command line that could be wrong but it was far too fast
> for me to know exactly what it said especially with my failing eyesight.
> I tried looking around the logs in /var/log but found nothing that resembled
> what I recall glimpsing.
> What exactly is the best way for me to find out what I have missed - I know
> its just a warning rather than an error but the curiosity is bugging me.
>

You could look in /var/log/dpkg.log for entries around the time the
issue occured.

You could run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" to make sure any
un-configured or half-configured packages are configured.

That might be enough. I could speculate what the issue is, but if you
find something in dpkg.log, feel free to post a snippet and we can
see.

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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu update warning messages

[David Goldsbrough]

I am using 14.04 LTS.
I use the "about Computer" facility to update on a regular basis or when
reminded to do so.
I always like to display what is going on if only to half understand what
is going on,
Today during the big kernal, etc updates I noticed some warning message
with a suggestion on a command line that could be wrong but it was far too
fast for me to know exactly what it said especially with my failing
eyesight.
I tried looking around the logs in /var/log but found nothing that
resembled what I recall glimpsing.
What exactly is the best way for me to find out what I have missed - I know
its just a warning rather than an error but the curiosity is bugging me.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Pre installed - HP 'standard images' 'may not work' WTF

[alan c]

On 07/06/15 10:53, alan c wrote:

On 07/06/15 10:50, alan c wrote:

I was very interested in the HP laptops on EBuyer - Ubuntu pre installed.
'..HP ProBook 455 Notebook PC is powered by an AMD A10-7300 APU with
AMD Radeonâ„¢ R6 Graphics. ..'
http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es

then I came across the caviat on the official certification site
==
2) Standard images of Ubuntu may not work at all on the system or may
not work well, though Canonical and computer manufacturers will try to
certify the system with future standard releases of Ubuntu.
==
Mmm. Not so keen now.

I dont mind mmc cards not working or some specific slowness, but
'Standard images of Ubuntu may not work at all' For heavens sakes?
Looks like a no deal, and something of a poison pill?
Comments please?



Woops forgot link apologies
http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201404-14968/



Unfortunately the EBuyer Staff replied to a recent question:
Q  Michael Crees asks:
Is this a stock Ubuntu install, or are there specific modifications to 
make it work with the hardware? Posted on 03/05/15 09:26

A  Rachael answered:
Hi, This will be standard Ubuntu, HP don't do any work on Linux OS so 
there will be no forking. I hope this helps. Thanks Rachael

Answered on 20/05/15 09:48

This is possibly very misleading, if the model is the G2 mentioned in 
the  link

 http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201404-14968/

My own recent question
Q 'Some versions of the hardware apparently do not work with standard 
images of Ubuntu - 
http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201404-14968/  I am a 
Ubuntu user, and standard images are very important to me. Does this 
item Run Ubuntu 12.04.4 standard image ok? Does this item run standard 
images in LIVE session please?'


has disappeared! it is not listed in the unanswered questions, nor is 
it in the answered questions. I trust it is being given careful 
consideration.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Pre installed - HP 'standard images' 'may not work' WTF

[alan c]

On 07/06/15 11:23, Colin Law wrote:

On 7 June 2015 at 10:50, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote:

I was very interested in the HP laptops on EBuyer - Ubuntu pre installed.
'..HP ProBook 455 Notebook PC is powered by an AMD A10-7300 APU with AMD
Radeonâ„¢ R6 Graphics. ..'
http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es

then I came across the caviat on the official certification site
==
2) Standard images of Ubuntu may not work at all on the system or may not
work well, though Canonical and computer manufacturers will try to certify
the system with future standard releases of Ubuntu.
==
Mmm. Not so keen now.

I dont mind mmc cards not working or some specific slowness, but 'Standard
images of Ubuntu may not work at all' For heavens sakes?
Looks like a no deal, and something of a poison pill?


My interpretation of that would be that the system will work as
supplied but if you replaced the supplied system with a standard
Ubuntu one there is no guarantee.  I don't see that is unreasonable.
One cannot expect them to guarantee that the machine will work with
all future versions of Ubuntu any more than if you buy a Windows
machine it is guaranteed to work with all future versions of Windows.

You are still better off than buying one without Ubuntu pre-installed,
as that is not guaranteed to work at all with Ubuntu.

However I think I would want one with 14.04 not 12.04.

Colin


Interesting, thanks. My take on it is that even a 12.04.4 live session 
may not work, nor in fact any live session  'may not work at all' 
that sounds like graphics etc. Certainly there does not seem to be a 
background of happy close cooperation between HP and [Ubuntru]. I have 
posted a question on EBuyer site about the caviat. Unfortunately such 
a public question is already an adverse sign. But, I am very glad to 
have found out about this before spending money. On a machine with no 
pre install, I would first confirm from other users that things were 
sensible before buying, Ubuntu does usually 'work'.


Look at the mess we will probably see when people buy this (G2 
version???) and ask the community for help with live sessions or going 
to a new release. It is likely to give Ubuntu a bad name. How is it 
that HP, a Ubuntu-friendly company has managed to release such 
machines in a situation where the formal Ubuntu comment includes 'may 
not work at all'? Have we got any inside information or community 
knowledge, that may suggest this situation will get responsibly 
supported without undue damage to Ubuntu reputation? Anyone please?


I am also concerned that there is no mention of a support comment on 
the sales site - with specific software one would hope that HP at 
least would have a support comment.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Pre installed - HP 'standard images' 'may not work' WTF

[alan c]

On 07/06/15 18:35, Simon Greenwood wrote:

It's probably more about the training that HP's support teams have been
given. Until very recently the support cycle of most PCs would assume that
they had the same OS throughout their lifespan because few people even
upgrade the version of Windows they use, so to allow the people on the
phones to be able to support the new laptops, the decision has been to go
with an old (but still supported) LTS release and to issue a caveat that
new releases 'might not' work but from experience the probability is fairly
low.

The big hardware companies have been very conservative with regard to
Linux. In a project I worked on in 2009 HP were advocating RHEL 4 as a
server platform when RHEL 5 was two years old. They've probably only just
got onto 5, or possibly 6.

s/


Thank you, yes perhaps.
Although I noted, a while ago that both Dell and HP were selling 
Ubuntu pre installed machines on the high street in - India
So hopefully the hardware  issues would then and now, be fairly well 
known and not come as a bad surprise to the central tech teams. 
Anyway, thankful for whatever.

From 2013:
http://blog.canonical.com/2013/10/01/ubuntu-pre-installed-and-in-retail-worldwide/

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Pre installed - HP 'standard images' 'may not work' WTF

[Simon Greenwood]

It's probably more about the training that HP's support teams have been
given. Until very recently the support cycle of most PCs would assume that
they had the same OS throughout their lifespan because few people even
upgrade the version of Windows they use, so to allow the people on the
phones to be able to support the new laptops, the decision has been to go
with an old (but still supported) LTS release and to issue a caveat that
new releases 'might not' work but from experience the probability is fairly
low.

The big hardware companies have been very conservative with regard to
Linux. In a project I worked on in 2009 HP were advocating RHEL 4 as a
server platform when RHEL 5 was two years old. They've probably only just
got onto 5, or possibly 6.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Pre installed - HP 'standard images' 'may not work' WTF

[Colin Law]

On 7 June 2015 at 10:50, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote:
 I was very interested in the HP laptops on EBuyer - Ubuntu pre installed.
 '..HP ProBook 455 Notebook PC is powered by an AMD A10-7300 APU with AMD
 Radeon™ R6 Graphics. ..'
 http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es

 then I came across the caviat on the official certification site
 ==
 2) Standard images of Ubuntu may not work at all on the system or may not
 work well, though Canonical and computer manufacturers will try to certify
 the system with future standard releases of Ubuntu.
 ==
 Mmm. Not so keen now.

 I dont mind mmc cards not working or some specific slowness, but 'Standard
 images of Ubuntu may not work at all' For heavens sakes?
 Looks like a no deal, and something of a poison pill?

My interpretation of that would be that the system will work as
supplied but if you replaced the supplied system with a standard
Ubuntu one there is no guarantee.  I don't see that is unreasonable.
One cannot expect them to guarantee that the machine will work with
all future versions of Ubuntu any more than if you buy a Windows
machine it is guaranteed to work with all future versions of Windows.

You are still better off than buying one without Ubuntu pre-installed,
as that is not guaranteed to work at all with Ubuntu.

However I think I would want one with 14.04 not 12.04.

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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Pre installed - HP 'standard images' 'may not work' WTF

[alan c]

I was very interested in the HP laptops on EBuyer - Ubuntu pre installed.
'..HP ProBook 455 Notebook PC is powered by an AMD A10-7300 APU with 
AMD Radeon™ R6 Graphics. ..'

http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es

then I came across the caviat on the official certification site
==
2) Standard images of Ubuntu may not work at all on the system or may 
not work well, though Canonical and computer manufacturers will try to 
certify the system with future standard releases of Ubuntu.

==
Mmm. Not so keen now.

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'Standard images of Ubuntu may not work at all' For heavens sakes?

Looks like a no deal, and something of a poison pill?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Pre installed - HP 'standard images' 'may not work' WTF

[alan c]

On 07/06/15 10:50, alan c wrote:

I was very interested in the HP laptops on EBuyer - Ubuntu pre installed.
'..HP ProBook 455 Notebook PC is powered by an AMD A10-7300 APU with
AMD Radeonâ„¢ R6 Graphics. ..'
http://www.ebuyer.com/705955-hp-455-quad-core-laptop-l8b56es

then I came across the caviat on the official certification site
==
2) Standard images of Ubuntu may not work at all on the system or may
not work well, though Canonical and computer manufacturers will try to
certify the system with future standard releases of Ubuntu.
==
Mmm. Not so keen now.

I dont mind mmc cards not working or some specific slowness, but
'Standard images of Ubuntu may not work at all' For heavens sakes?
Looks like a no deal, and something of a poison pill?
Comments please?



Woops forgot link apologies
http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201404-14968/

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone performance one month on

[Gareth France]

The phone is improving with every update so all is good.

On 28/05/15 00:12, ubu...@loki.33mail.com wrote:

I don't have any of this on BQ 4.5

I had occasional issue answering the phone (ringtone rings, but no
interface to answer/reject. After reboot it is back to normal. I don't
use camera much, but when I do I have no issues. With apps crashing  and
loading logo showing - I have it with much lower frequency - I barely
even notice now...

I may be lucky. If I were you I would try factory reset, but then I
don't have much data on this phone - just in case of something like you
described happened.
(Also  I am not sure if factory reset can fix anything :/)

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I'm doing this through the mailing list as it's not a specific bug
report but rather just a general bad mood my phone has developed!

I have updates set to manual so I know what is being updated and when,
the last system update was weeks ago. However over the last week or so
it seems to be pot luck as to whether I can make or receive calls. The
vibrate stutters during the call if it is going to fall flat, then
either it reboots or the microphone stops working. Apps have startyed
crashing (camera) or they show the loading logo and just hang
(contacts, phone, system settings)

It has been like this only recently fr no real reason so I'm counting
down the days to the next major update. Is it just me or are others
experiencing this.







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