Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On 06/12/06, Colin Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was my original intention to have an old 98se machine dual partitioned so > that I can have ubuntu LTS 6.06 as a server, on this server I wanted to > upload files from a winxp machine. Partitioning the old machine was fine, > downloading the iso image was also fine. The initial install went through > o.k. but no ethernet was detected [the actual ethernet device itself]. > > Also DHCP failed. After DHCP failed I was given an option where I could > assign/choose the network addresses myself. I did this but it was redundant > as the ethernet test failed. Thus when I tried to ping the ubuntu machine > either under the hostname or the ip address both attempts failed. > > > > No DHCP Server/computer was detected on the network [This > is true because I don't have another machine acting as a DHCP server]. It sounds like you need the Ubuntu server to be a DHCP server as well. This is fine, but you won't be able to assign it an address using DHCP (since there's no other DHCP server). So you want to set up a manual address while installing and not choose the automatic/DHCP/whatever it's called in the installer. > I could not ascertain if ethernet worked with windows because the network > neighbourhood needed a hot fix in order function. You don't need to use Network Neighbourhood to check it - open a DOS prompt in Win98 and use the ping command (it has similar command-line parameters to the Linux version, but the main difference is that it only sends 4 pings rather than Linux carrying on forever by default. You can change the number sent in both cases). This is the best way to check the network. Start with IP addresses, then move to hostnames. I don't think hostnames will work initially, unless they're set up in /etc/hosts on Linux or \system32\drivers\etc\hosts on Windows XP/2000 (replace with your Windows directory path, usually C:\windows or C:\winnt). I can't remember exactly where the relevant file is on Win98, but it won't matter much. The best way to solve the problem (but not the easiest) is to set up a DNS server on the Ubuntu machine. Hmm, it depends on how much you are going to change your network actually. If it's not going to change much, use the hosts files I mentioned above. Much easier than setting up DNS. If the ethernet works in Win98, try looking through the output from the dmesg command on Ubuntu to see if it mentions problems with the ethernet device. You'll probably need to type the following in a terminal window: dmesg | less If you can't understand what it says and it shows an error, post the error in a mail to this list and we'll try to help some more. Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
What is the ethernet device? And does it work in windows? I could not ascertain if ethernet worked with windows because the network neighbourhood needed a hot fix in order function. I couldn't get the hotfix because windows was no longer suppoorted at the time I looked. by selecting the check disk I ran a check and the disk passed the test. Certainly, stop in past #ubuntu-uk, there is usually someone there willing to help. I'm ormiret and am lurking quite a lot but usually notice if I'm addressed. For sure my i.d. is magpy _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:45:15 + "Colin Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll outline things a bit more: > > It was my original intention to have an old 98se machine dual > partitioned so that I can have ubuntu LTS 6.06 as a server, on this > server I wanted to upload files from a winxp machine. Partitioning > the old machine was fine, downloading the iso image was also fine. > The initial install went through o.k. but no ethernet was detected > [the actual ethernet device itself]. > > Also DHCP failed. After DHCP failed I was given an option where I > could assign/choose the network addresses myself. I did this but it > was redundant as the ethernet test failed. Thus when I tried to ping > the ubuntu machine either under the hostname or the ip address both > attempts failed. Yes, without an ethernet device working no amount of IP configuration is going to get anywhere. What is the ethernet device? And does it work in windows? > Regarding DHCP, to infer from what you stated above there are two > possible problems; (1) - No DHCP Server/computer was detected on the > network [This is true because I don't have another machine acting as > a DHCP server]. (2) Could there be a problem with the installation > disk itself? (1) would explain the lack of DHCP ever working, and the fact the device wasn't set up would explain why things still didn't work when you set the IP addresses manually. (2) is certainly possible, it can be ruled out by selecting the check disk (or something similarly named) option from the menu when you boot from the disk. > Would it be possible to schedule an informal irc discussion? Certainly, stop in past #ubuntu-uk, there is usually someone there willing to help. I'm ormiret and am lurking quite a lot but usually notice if I'm addressed. Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com Always drink upstream of the herd. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
oK, I'm a bit lost about what you're trying to do. I'll outline things a bit more: It was my original intention to have an old 98se machine dual partitioned so that I can have ubuntu LTS 6.06 as a server, on this server I wanted to upload files from a winxp machine. Partitioning the old machine was fine, downloading the iso image was also fine. The initial install went through o.k. but no ethernet was detected [the actual ethernet device itself]. Also DHCP failed. After DHCP failed I was given an option where I could assign/choose the network addresses myself. I did this but it was redundant as the ethernet test failed. Thus when I tried to ping the ubuntu machine either under the hostname or the ip address both attempts failed. If the DHCP step in the setting up networking is failing during boot up this is probably because there either isn't a DHCP server on the network or because the DHCP server isn't working properly (esp. if the same symptoms are seen on a couple of different machines). Regarding DHCP, to infer from what you stated above there are two possible problems; (1) - No DHCP Server/computer was detected on the network [This is true because I don't have another machine acting as a DHCP server]. (2) Could there be a problem with the installation disk itself? When you say there was no ethernet detection do you mean that the ethernet device wasn't detected or that it didn't detect the settings for the network? You can tell this by running 'ifconfig' I mean that the device wasn't detected -- Would it be possible to schedule an informal irc discussion? _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:23:39 + "Colin Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I was not looking to set up subnetworks and give out ip > addresses with dhcp but to have an ubuntu machine act as a server to > a windows machine. I could not even have gotten that far becasue > dhcp configuration failed and was thus skipped at installation. > > I wanted the installation procedure to dynamically set up the > networking addresses but as ethernet > and dhcp both failed I was given the default loop back device, this > was still no good as there was no ethernet detection. > > So current situe is to get a machine which passes ethernet detection > [good] and dhcp configuration[good but not essential] OK, I'm a bit lost about what you're trying to do. To get IPs assigned dynamically you have to have a DHCP server on the network to do this (not actually true: there are ways of negotiating peer-to-peer for ad hoc networks, but for simplicity I'll ignore that...). If the DHCP step in the setting up networking is failing during boot up this is probably because there either isn't a DHCP server on the network or because the DHCP server isn't working properly (esp. if the same symptoms are seen on a couple of different machines). When you say there was no ethernet detection do you mean that the ethernet device wasn't detected or that it didn't detect the settings for the network? You can tell this by running 'ifconfig' Something like: |eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:16:CE:3B:6F:19 | inet addr:192.168.1.130 Bcast:192.168.1.255 |Mask:255.255.255.128 | inet6 addr: fe80::216:ceff:fe3b:6f19/64 Scope:Link | UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 | means the interface is up and running, where as: |eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0A:E4:FB:1A:3F | UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 | means it is there but not configured. If you don't have a DHCP server then you have to set the IP address and DNS servers manually. The simplest test to see if your networking hardware works would be ifup eth0 and then ping the IP address you picked from the windows machine. That would be enough for the windows machine to then access services on the ubuntu machine and for the ubuntu machine to access things if you specify the IP for them rather than the domain (add DNS servers to resolv.conf to use names). > Where can you get Xwindows from? Also To run Xwindows would you have > active desktop already installed? XWindows is the system that draws graphical displays in Linux (xorg is the flavour used in ubuntu). If you have a graphical display instead of just a command line (white text on a black background) then you already have XWindows installed. If you don't and you want it the easiest way to get it is sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop that fulls in some other things that you probably don't want on a server though like openoffice. I can't find a meta-package to pull in just the graphical utilities without the office and productivity stuff etc. sudo apt-get install gnome Will get you a more minimal desktop but I'm not sure if it gets all the network configuration tools etc. If you have gnome installed (or after you install it) the network configuration is System->Administration->Networking Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com No sense being pessimistic: it wouldn't work anyway. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
<< DHCP works by a machine on the network acting as a server and giving out IP addresses and configuration information for the other machines. In small networks this is often integrated wth the router. When I asked about if this was all with the same server I assumed you were trying to get an ubuntu machine to get an IP address (and other other details) from a DHCP server, and was wondering if that server might be the bit that isn't working. Looking back over more of the thread I notice that you are setting up an ubuntu server so I might have things backwards and you want the ubuntu machine to be the DHCP server? Yes, I was not looking to set up subnetworks and give out ip addresses with dhcp but to have an ubuntu machine act as a server to a windows machine. I could not even have gotten that far becasue dhcp configuration failed and was thus skipped at installation. I wanted the installation procedure to dynamically set up the networking addresses but as ethernet and dhcp both failed I was given the default loop back device, this was still no good as there was no ethernet detection. So current situe is to get a machine which passes ethernet detection [good] and dhcp configuration[good but not essential] Where can you get Xwindows from? Also To run Xwindows would you have active desktop already installed? Colin _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:26:48 + "Colin Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>have all these > >>tests been with the same DHCP server? > > I believe so - though I am not sure what you mean by this? I thought > that there was only one DHCP server procedure per installation disk? > I have tried on different machines though with the same installation > disk each time and the results were varied. DHCP works by a machine on the network acting as a server and giving out IP addresses and configuration information for the other machines. In small networks this is often integrated wth the router. When I asked about if this was all with the same server I assumed you were trying to get an ubuntu machine to get an IP address (and other other details) from a DHCP server, and was wondering if that server might be the bit that isn't working. Looking back over more of the thread I notice that you are setting up an ubuntu server so I might have things backwards and you want the ubuntu machine to be the DHCP server? For not using DHCP: > >>Tell them where the internet > >>gateway and DNS servers are. > > So would that mean I could change files: > > -w nano/etc/resolv.conf > -w nano/etc/network/interfaces > > and then ping the host ubuntu computer from an XP computer after > changes have been made? Yes, if you've got X-windows installed then there are graphical apps that can let you avoid editing the files directly -there are probably such tools that work without X as well but I don't know what they are... Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com If it ain't broke: fix it 'till it is. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
Apologies about delayed response >> >>have all these >>tests been with the same DHCP server? I believe so - though I am not sure what you mean by this? I thought that there was only one DHCP server procedure per installation disk? I have tried on different machines though with the same installation disk each time and the results were varied. >> >>Tell them where the internet >>gateway and DNS servers are. So would that mean I could change files: -w nano/etc/resolv.conf -w nano/etc/network/interfaces and then ping the host ubuntu computer from an XP computer after changes have been made? _ It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:48:58 + "Colin Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Only one computer I have tried it on has passed both steps. I have > tried installation with brand new and 2nd hand computers. In these > instances ethernet detection was found but dhcp autoconfiguration > failed. Is this uncommon? Would it still be possible to > network/ping with only ethernet detection and no dhcp? Wired networking doesn't usually pose any problems, have all these tests been with the same DHCP server? You can certainly set up networking without DHCP you just have to pick IP addresses for the machines yourself and tell them where the internet gateway and DNS servers are. Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com Curiosity was framed; ignorance killed the cat. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
>> >>If you want the Ubuntu server accessible from the internet, you need >>to get a proper router and put the Ubuntu server in the DMZ as David >>mentioned earlier. >> I agree a proper router and ubuntu 6.06 LTS in the appropriate place would be of most benefit. At present I am having a hard time finding a computer that passes both ethernet detection test and the dhcp auto configuration procedures. Only one computer I have tried it on has passed both steps. I have tried installation with brand new and 2nd hand computers. In these instances ethernet detection was found but dhcp autoconfiguration failed. Is this uncommon? Would it still be possible to network/ping with only ethernet detection and no dhcp? p.s. Done contacted my M.P a while back _ It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
Cheers I'm looking into it - viewing pros and cons between Hydra and mIRC _ It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel http://www.msnpasstheparcel.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
Colin Humphrey wrote: > at the moment I only have win xp as my ubuntu machine exerienced hdd > failure. > Do you know how to get IRC going for windows / which client to use? > > _ > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! > http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters > > I like HydraIRC (http://www.hydrairc.com/) -- Steve Garton http://www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On Sat, 2006-12-02 at 16:25 +, Colin Humphrey wrote: > at the moment I only have win xp as my ubuntu machine exerienced hdd > failure. > Do you know how to get IRC going for windows / which client to use? mIRC -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
at the moment I only have win xp as my ubuntu machine exerienced hdd failure. Do you know how to get IRC going for windows / which client to use? _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
> On 24/11/06, Neil Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The second time I tried #ubuntu-uk and no one said a word It can be quiet, but can also be a very active channel... all depends on the time you join it, and if there is anything good on telly... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On 24/11/06, Neil Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So *that's* why people use IRC. I've only tried it twice, once a > couple of nights ago, and once when I was in university, hmm, 15 or so > years ago. That first time I was in a very busy channel and quickly > got very lost. The second time I tried #ubuntu-uk and no one said a > word! IRC has only been around since 1993, 13 years ago. It became quite popular during the Gulf War, when we were all in one or two channels, getting reports from the front line from the reporters directly. It was quite freaky. I used to IRC a lot back then, but friends and family got so concerned they banned me from it, so I've used it very little since. Strangely, I don't think the same concerns would be raised these days. Pete -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On 24/11/06, Neil Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 24/11/06, Colin Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip] Hmm, email's not the best way of carrying out a conversation when everyone's online, is it? :-) So *that's* why people use IRC. I've only tried it twice, once a couple of nights ago, and once when I was in university, hmm, 15 or so years ago. That first time I was in a very busy channel and quickly got very lost. The second time I tried #ubuntu-uk and no one said a word! Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
>Hmm, sounds like the machine is a bit poorly... agreed... >A DMZ is an area of your network that has restricted access to the internal machines. It's used for hosting a web server, for example, so that if the machine with public access from the internet is hacked, your internal machine(s) are safe (or safer) from it. It only applies if you have a genuine router that connects to the internet. I get the concept - like another method of security. Thanks for the help new terms troubleshooting etc Colin signing off _ Download the new Windows Live Toolbar, including Desktop search! http://toolbar.live.com/?mkt=en-gb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On 24/11/06, Colin Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > Basically I want to have an XP computer with an internet connection to > display web pages that housed on an ubuntu server. What's the best > configuration - way to go about it? > Depends on exactly what you want. Do you want the Ubuntu server's pages to be accessible to the internet, or just on the XP machine? If it's the former, you've got things set up wrong -- XP is not the most secure operating system, and forwarding requests to the Ubuntu server means that both will be vunerable to attack from the internet. Plus you'll need to configure XP's internet connection sharing, and the firewall and other things that I'm not familiar with. If it's just internally to the XP machine then that's not too bad a way of doing things. I think. If you want the Ubuntu server accessible from the internet, you need to get a proper router and put the Ubuntu server in the DMZ as David mentioned earlier. Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On 24/11/06, Colin Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Matt > > Not tried with a desktop version yet - If after trying with desktop version > network card is still not detected then I will attempt an install on > another computer. > > By the way where can I get the desktop package from? > The main www.ubuntu.com site has a link to it -- Seek That Thy Might Know -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
Sure - Thanks for the memory jog with check cd - will do when I get another machine to test on this one has had it. _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
Hi Matt Not tried with a desktop version yet - If after trying with desktop version network card is still not detected then I will attempt an install on another computer. By the way where can I get the desktop package from? Colin _ Find Singles In Your Area Now With Match.com! msnuk.match.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On 24/11/06, Colin Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > I have the computer plugged into a converter [it acts like a router] between > the two computers. Not heard of one of these. > I could not go ahead with the BIOS change as the computer did not boot up. > I think the problem might lie with the hard drive or the machine itself. Hmm, sounds like the machine is a bit poorly... > > By the way how do you check the pmz zone - what is it? A DMZ is an area of your network that has restricted access to the internal machines. It's used for hosting a web server, for example, so that if the machine with public access from the internet is hacked, your internal machine(s) are safe (or safer) from it. It only applies if you have a genuine router that connects to the internet. It sounds like you can ignore this with your current set-up. Unless you want more information about it, or don't understand my explanation above... > Also how do you run > check cd within ubuntu? > Put the CD in the machine and boot from it. One of the options on the initial menu that the CD displays is 'Check CD' or words to that effect. It can take a while to run, but it will check that the Ubuntu CD isn't bad. Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
Hi Neil I have not tried another distro yet - will do. I thought that boths issues were related thanks for the confirmation. Basically I want to have an XP computer with an internet connection to display web pages that housed on an ubuntu server. What's the best configuration - way to go about it? _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On 24/11/06, Colin Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > I have the computer plugged into a converter [it acts like a router] between > the two computers. > I could not go ahead with the BIOS change as the computer did not boot up. > I think the problem might lie with the hard drive or the machine itself. > > By the way how do you check the pmz zone - what is it? Also how do you run > check cd within ubuntu? > DMZ is the zone on a router that is specific for servers. You don't have one so don't worry about it. Check cd is an option from the original boot screen on the cd normally above memtest and below lamp sever I think (from memory could be wrong) -- Seek That Thy Might Know -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
Hi I have the computer plugged into a converter [it acts like a router] between the two computers. I could not go ahead with the BIOS change as the computer did not boot up. I think the problem might lie with the hard drive or the machine itself. By the way how do you check the pmz zone - what is it? Also how do you run check cd within ubuntu? _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On 24/11/06, Colin Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I try to install ubuntu server edition - it does not recognize any > ethernet device and cannot > automatically configure the computer with DHCP. > My main query is are the two problems of ethernet and DHCP related? Does the ethernet work if you boot with an Ubuntu Live Desktop CD? I am using Ubuntu Server at the moment for cloning Windows onto PCs, managing clone images for different class rooms, and offering support tools like automated backup before reimaging, etc. I have also built several web servers and vpn servers with Ubuntu Desktop, which might be an easy step towards getting your server up and running. Its sometimes easier when you have a GUI, which is one reason why when I started learning to use Ubuntu instead of SuSE, I wanted Synaptic (graphical apt-get) and a browser on the server. Matthew -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On 24/11/06, Colin Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right - I'll check the BIOS settings. If after checking and changing there > is still no change would that mean the problem lies with the machine rather > than the installation of ubuntu? Hi Colin, It's not definitive, but very likely. Have you tried a Live CD? This way you could try a Linux distro other than Ubuntu (e.g. Knoppix) to rule that variable out of the equation. Unless it's a *very* new machine/network card though, Linux will support the network card. No one seems to have given you an answer to your question about Ethernet and DHCP. Basically, DHCP depends on networking, i.e. Ethernet (in your case), or wireless, or something else. If you can't get a network connection, DHCP is never going to work. I agree with Andy's earlier comment though. For a server, you shouldn't be using DHCP -- unless you're serving your internet connection through it, in which case you may need DHCP to get an address from your ISP, but should have a fixed address on the internal network and may even be a DHCP server for the internal network. Maybe you should describe exactly how you want to set up the connections in your network and we could (try to) give you some advice for your particular configuration. Hope this helps, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On 24/11/06, Colin Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right - I'll check the BIOS settings. If after checking and changing there > is still no change would that mean the problem lies with the machine rather > than the installation of ubuntu? > It stands a chance of that being the case. Try dropping the cd in and running check cd this will just double check the cd is okay. What have you got the machine plugged into? If it directly into another machine then dhcp will not work. If it is plugged into a router or switch just double check the cable? by swapping it with one you know works. Have you set up the server in the dmz zone of your router that can cause issues? -- Seek That Thy Might Know -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
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Right - I'll check the BIOS settings. If after checking and changing there is still no change would that mean the problem lies with the machine rather than the installation of ubuntu? _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On 24/11/06, Colin Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah > > Samba is right up my alley - just what I need infact. But the trouble I am > having is at the installation stage so cannot get to networking. > > When I try to install ubuntu server edition - it does not recognize any > ethernet device and cannot > automatically configure the computer with DHCP. > > My main query is are the two problems of ethernet and DHCP related? > If this is an inherited machine did you check that the ethernet connection was switched on in bios? For Ubuntu to not recognise it at all is rare. Very Rare. -- Seek That Thy Might Know -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
Cheers I didn't know about those other groups in Brighton and London. Will look into them. _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
Hi Dan Thanks for the advice - I will look into those wikis etc. I have a few others here you can look at: http://us2.samba.org/samba/ http://www.oregontechsupport.com/support/samba/ http://handsonhowto.com/smb101.html Colin _ Find Singles In Your Area Now With Match.com! msnuk.match.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
Yeah Samba is right up my alley - just what I need infact. But the trouble I am having is at the installation stage so cannot get to networking. When I try to install ubuntu server edition - it does not recognize any ethernet device and cannot automatically configure the computer with DHCP. My main query is are the two problems of ethernet and DHCP related? Colin _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
On 23/11/06, Colin Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am new to linux and to ubuntu Welcome I am not an expert but will try to offer any advice I can, till someone more knowledgeable gets around to answering. > and would like to > have an ubuntu machine running as a server to > communicate with a windows xp machine, In what way communicate? Do you want a web server to serve files via HTTP to the Windows box, or do you want to be able to remotely log in to Ubuntu server from Windows, or something different? > [1] > If you install ubuntu server edition 6.06 onto your > machine and it cannot recognize an ethernet device > or cannot set up DHCP does this mean that you will > not be able to network between another machine If it can't use the network interface its as if no cable isn't plugged in, it won't connect to anything. DHCP is another issue entirely, may I ask why you are using DHCP on a server? I was always told (rightly or wrongly) that servers should have a static IP and not a dynamic one from DHCP. Most routers will have a range of address that they know are on the local network but won't assign using DHCP, you can use these for static addresses. Remember to set DNS and the default gateway too. > If you have an inherited machine and you try to > install ubuntu server edition 6.06 does it normally > recognize the ethernet device and configure DHCP > automatically - if not why might this be? It should normally handle Ethernet ok, I haven't really used server, but Ubuntu has always recognized my Ethernet card, do you know the make/model of card? > Are there any regular meets that take place in > London/Brighton where people can talk about > practical problems and how to solve them? You can always go to a 'LUG', (Linux User Group) Brighton has one: http://www.brighton.lug.org.uk/ London has about 4 The list of UK Lugs is available from: http://www.lug.org.uk/lugs/all.php > Also would anyone be up for scheduling a chat > session to take place over a messaging programme > such as msn messenger to talk about the server > edition? Do you have an IRC client? the official Ubuntu-uk channel is #ubuntu-uk on Freenode There's a screen cast about joining IRC > I read a couple of news letters ago that it was o.k. > to ask for help here - hope this still holds true. You may get better answers on the Ubuntu-users list, there is more people over there than here, but I'm sure if anyone here can help you they will. - Andy -- Did you think it should be legal to rip a CD to your PC or MP3 player? Change the law, sign the petition http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/privatecopy/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
Hi Colin, I'm afraid i can't offer much help with your server problem, as i also need more information (maybe read more books, wikis and tutorials) about servers, but i can, i hope, point the way to find your answers. Visit the english ubuntu forum (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/) and also do a search about your problem on the ubuntu wiki (http://wiki.ubuntu.com). I'm also a fan of meetings to exchange experiences, help people with their problems and just have a good time. Cheers, Daniel On 23/11/06, Colin Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear all I am new to linux and to ubuntu and would like to have an ubuntu machine running as a server to communicate with a windows xp machine, I have not been able to do this because of network issues. Just before I start I would like to say that I've been reading about your screen casts which I think are a really good initiative, would you consider doing one for installing and setting up the ubuntu server edition 6.06 to communicate with a windows machine? I ask this because I am really interested in setting up a server environment but so far have not been able to. Also if after watching the screencast I get my server together then I will be able to spread the word to other computer users at college who might be able to benefit from using an ubuntu machine and LAMP environment. I have a few questions: [1] If you install ubuntu server edition 6.06 onto your machine and it cannot recognize an ethernet device or cannot set up DHCP does this mean that you will not be able to network between another machine because there is not a network capability - does this mean that you will not be abale to ping another computer? [2] If you have an inherited machine and you try to install ubuntu server edition 6.06 does it normally recognize the ethernet device and configure DHCP automatically - if not why might this be? [3] If you experienced either of the problems above what may be the problem? [4] Are there any regular meets that take place in London/Brighton where people can talk about practical problems and how to solve them? [5] Also would anyone be up for scheduling a chat session to take place over a messaging programme such as msn messenger to talk about the server edition? I read a couple of news letters ago that it was o.k. to ask for help here - hope this still holds true. All Thoughts - Ideas - tips and advice much needed Colin _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
Do you need something like a samba system? Samba is used in open source systems to communicate with Windows systems. Samba can even act as a server on Windows based networks. Ubuntu can do this rather well. t. Colin Humphrey wrote: > Dear all > > I am new to linux and to ubuntu and would like to > > have an ubuntu machine running as a server to > > communicate with a windows xp machine, I have not > > been able to do this because of network issues. > > > > > Just before I start I would like to say that I've > > been reading about your screen casts which I think > > are a really good initiative, would you consider > > doing one for installing and setting up the ubuntu > > server edition 6.06 to communicate with a windows > > machine? > > > > I ask this because I am really interested in setting > > up a server environment but so far have not been > > able to. Also if after watching the screencast I > > get my server together then I will be able to spread > > the word to other computer users at college who > > might be able to benefit from using an ubuntu > > machine and LAMP environment. > > > > I have a few questions: > > [1] > > If you install ubuntu server edition 6.06 onto your > > machine and it cannot recognize an ethernet device > > or cannot set up DHCP does this mean that you will > > not be able to network between another machine > > because there is not a network capability - does > > this mean that you will not be abale to ping another > > computer? > > > [2] > > If you have an inherited machine and you try to > > install ubuntu server edition 6.06 does it normally > > recognize the ethernet device and configure DHCP > > automatically - if not why might this be? > > > [3] > > If you experienced either of the problems above what > > may be the problem? > > > [4] > > Are there any regular meets that take place in > > London/Brighton where people can talk about > > practical problems and how to solve them? > > > [5] > > Also would anyone be up for scheduling a chat > > session to take place over a messaging programme > > such as msn messenger to talk about the server > > edition? > > > I read a couple of news letters ago that it was o.k. > > to ask for help here - hope this still holds true. > > > > All Thoughts - Ideas - tips and advice > > much needed > > Colin > > _ > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! > http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters > > > -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition
Dear all I am new to linux and to ubuntu and would like to have an ubuntu machine running as a server to communicate with a windows xp machine, I have not been able to do this because of network issues. Just before I start I would like to say that I've been reading about your screen casts which I think are a really good initiative, would you consider doing one for installing and setting up the ubuntu server edition 6.06 to communicate with a windows machine? I ask this because I am really interested in setting up a server environment but so far have not been able to. Also if after watching the screencast I get my server together then I will be able to spread the word to other computer users at college who might be able to benefit from using an ubuntu machine and LAMP environment. I have a few questions: [1] If you install ubuntu server edition 6.06 onto your machine and it cannot recognize an ethernet device or cannot set up DHCP does this mean that you will not be able to network between another machine because there is not a network capability - does this mean that you will not be abale to ping another computer? [2] If you have an inherited machine and you try to install ubuntu server edition 6.06 does it normally recognize the ethernet device and configure DHCP automatically - if not why might this be? [3] If you experienced either of the problems above what may be the problem? [4] Are there any regular meets that take place in London/Brighton where people can talk about practical problems and how to solve them? [5] Also would anyone be up for scheduling a chat session to take place over a messaging programme such as msn messenger to talk about the server edition? I read a couple of news letters ago that it was o.k. to ask for help here - hope this still holds true. All Thoughts - Ideas - tips and advice much needed Colin _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
