Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[gazz]

On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 00:01 +0100, Andres wrote:

> hi since we are on the subject i tried to add a bash script to the
> launcher with no luck googled for a bit and found something else: 
> http://maketecheasier.com/easily-create-quicklist-for-ubuntu-unity-launcher/2011/06/06
>  
> haven't tried it but looks really neat to use the submenus of the
> launcher to do more stuff on a single icon. 
> 
> 
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> - Original message - 
> > On 9 June 2011 15:54, gazz  wrote: 
> > > Oh super+w rocks - ta! If anyone else is scratching their
> heads 
> > > about how to make Unity do what it's told without having to read
> the 
> > > entire F* compiz manual, just found Ubuntu Geek lists the main kb 
> > > shortcuts: 
> > >
> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html 
> > > - my fellow memory-challenged peeps might appreciate wallpaper
> which 
> > > lists the vital shortcuts and mousetricks: 
> > >
> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html 
> > > 
> > 
> > I'd recommend giving people a direct link to the askubuntu page
> rather 
> > than those blog posts. 
> > 
> > http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts 
> > 
> > Al. 
> > 
> > 


 yes, it's great - almost as good as having gnome classic
back! 

My launcher is still showing two bash script launchers that were on my
old gnome panel with their icons but I'm not feeling overwhelmed with
joy about having to find ways of painstakingly rebuilding gnome panels
out of the Unity launcher :( 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Andres]

hi since we are on the subject i tried to add a bash script to the launcher 
with no luck googled for a bit and found something else:
http://maketecheasier.com/easily-create-quicklist-for-ubuntu-unity-launcher/2011/06/06
haven't tried it but looks really neat to use the submenus of the launcher to 
do more stuff on a single icon.


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- Original message -
> On 9 June 2011 15:54, gazz  wrote:
> > Oh super+w rocks - ta! If anyone else is scratching their heads
> > about how to make Unity do what it's told without having to read the
> > entire F* compiz manual, just found Ubuntu Geek lists the main kb
> > shortcuts:
> > http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
> > - my fellow memory-challenged peeps might appreciate wallpaper which
> > lists the vital shortcuts and mousetricks:
> > http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
> > 
> 
> I'd recommend giving people a direct link to the askubuntu page rather
> than those blog posts.
> 
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts
> 
> Al.
> 
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Alan Pope]

On 9 June 2011 15:54, gazz  wrote:
> Oh super+w rocks - ta! If anyone else is scratching their heads about
> how to make Unity do what it's told without having to read the entire F*
> compiz manual, just found Ubuntu Geek lists the main kb shortcuts:
> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
> - my fellow memory-challenged peeps might appreciate wallpaper which lists
> the vital shortcuts and mousetricks:
> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
>

I'd recommend giving people a direct link to the askubuntu page rather
than those blog posts.

http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[gazz]

On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:40 +0100, Tony Pursell wrote:


> Your comments would be welcome on the Ayatana mailing list
> (https://launchpad.net/~ayatana).  At least by me.  I quite like Unity,
> but there is a lot missing (like your 'usual widgets').  Something I am
> trying to get across to them there. 
> 
> By the way, have you discovered Super-W yet - for seeing all your
> windows in one go.
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> 
> 

OK, thanks, I'll head over there (and tone down the whining ;) 

Oh super+w rocks - ta! If anyone else is scratching their heads
about how to make Unity do what it's told without having to read the
entire F* compiz manual, just found Ubuntu Geek lists the main kb
shortcuts:
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
- my fellow memory-challenged peeps might appreciate wallpaper which
lists the vital shortcuts and mousetricks:
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html 

The compiz documentation seems a bit convoluted and life is short, there
doesn't seem to be much quickie Unity help - think we could probably
also do with an Ubuntu-style tutorial so that others don't have to waste
quite so much time figuring it out? I'm not really finding it very
discoverable - but maybe I'm just getting old? 

Paula


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Tony Pursell]

On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:38 +0100, gazz wrote:
> 
> aaarrgghh!  No menus unless you run panes fullscreen? What is this
> fetish for running panes fullscreen? 

When you have a window that is not fullscreen you can see its menu (if
it has focus) if you mouse over the panel.  There is discussion about
getting this changed on Ayatana. I haven't yet queried why everything
has to start full screen.

Tony





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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Avi Greenbury]

gazz wrote:

To Avi: my point is that I *didn't* used to do this stuff with a
mouse but people keep urging me to do so in order to redress Unity's
 shortcomings.


Oh, I didn't mean it as a workaround or an excuse, more as a general musing.


OK I acknowledge that part of my moaning has to do with being
required to undertake a substantial learning curve and habit
modification but, really, what am I getting from Unity that makes it
worth it? I think we should be told . . .


I think most of the problems with Unity are that it's less featureful
and less configurable than Gnome 2, rather than merely people being
afraid of change. The input devices haven't changed that much in the
past ten years that there's good reason to be forcing things to be done
differently now.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Tony Pursell]

On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 12:37 +0100, gazz wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 21:30 +0100, Liam Proven wrote: 
> > On 6 June 2011 15:57, gazz  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ah, dunno, haven't actually looked at Gnome 3 yet . . . if it's as bad as
> > > Unity - eeek!
> > 
> > Unity is a /lot/ more like traditional GNOME 2 than GNOME 3 is.
> > 
> > Put in the time to learn Unity. It is a pretty decent GUI, honestly. I
> > don't understand why people are whinging so much about it. It's fine,
> > it's just different.
> 
> Well, I spose this is the way things are going so I've bitten the
> bullet and switched to Unity - in any case, I'll have to be able to
> train people on it 
> 
> It has some really nice features, it's true - but it's the stubborn
> fixity of it that drives me nuts. I can't have my usual widgets and it
> really is very, very clunky having to cycle through all the open
> windows constantly. It's clunky to click both buttons on a laptop
> touchpad, don't wanna! It's much easier to point and tap). I want my
> weather widget back waaah! And I mostly use tree view in Nautilus
> - but the mountable nfs partitions I have in fstab only show under
> places view so they can be mounted in the gui. I used to solve this by
> using the disk-mounter widget on a panel but it's vanished. So now I'm
> endlessly switching between tree and places view in nautilus - unless
> I want to flip open a terminal every time I need to mount a network
> partition. (I know you're going to ask why I don't automount them -
> well, cos they're on a laptop and I don't want errors when they're not
> available). 
> 
> It's also annoyingly buggy - but, of course, that'll improve so not
> really worth whinging about now - but doesn't exactly reduce my
> overall annoyance. It has a very 'alpha' feel about it. Then there are
> niggly little things - like I can't work out how to assign an icon to
> something that I put on the launcher which clearly doesn't have a
> native launcher icon (such as sync-ui which I use a lot - I have to
> tell several buttons with just grey questionmarks on them apart by
> their position on the launcher - not good). If someone knows how to do
> this, it'd be very welcome. It took me a month of sundays to resize
> the launcher bar and autohide it - trawling all over the compiz
> settings manager is no fun either and the customisation rewards are
> small. 
> 
> On the good side - I especially like the feature where the super key
> allocates numbers to application shortcuts (although it's a pity this
> only goes up to 9 so if I want something lower down I have to start
> again with the touchpad). I like the way all the windows will tile on
> the desktop (not sure where I clicked to get it to do that though
> lol). I also really like the way you can search quickly for an app,
> whose name you know but isn't in the launcher, and launch it very
> fast. But if you *don't* remember the name of the app, it'll take you
> all week to find it . . . 
> 
> Overall, my feeling about it is that if you use your PC as an Ubuntu
> One 'toaster' it's great. If one of the things you loved about
> Linux/GNOME was the enormous flexibility of the customisable desktop
> and widgets you'll hate it. 
> 
> It feels like lego. I've been using Unity for a few days and I'm
> really experiencing it as limited and clunky - I'm using keyboard
> shortcuts I haven't bothered with for years and re-discovering the
> tedium of endlessly cycling through windows. It feels retrogressive to
> me. 
> 
> I'm finding more stuff that it *does* do all the time though, and no
> doubt I'll get more used to it - and it'll improve - but can't we have
> a bit more customisation and control - widgets and stuff? Or am I
> missing something? 
> 
> Paula

Paula

Your comments would be welcome on the Ayatana mailing list
(https://launchpad.net/~ayatana).  At least by me.  I quite like Unity,
but there is a lot missing (like your 'usual widgets').  Something I am
trying to get across to them there. 

By the way, have you discovered Super-W yet - for seeing all your
windows in one go.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[gazz]

aaarrgghh! Just tried to stop it from deciding to fullscreen windows
without consulting me - unticked 'grid' in the compiz settings and Unity
promptly crashed the top bar taking all menus with it. Rebooted
(couldn't log out), and Unity just spontaneously logged me out again as
I opened a pane in Evolution. No menus unless you run panes fullscreen?
What is this fetish for running panes fullscreen? 

I just want to have some sort of control over my desktop's behaviour and
appearance? Is this too much to ask of a Linux distro? I want to adapt
the desktop, not adapt my working habits to fit someone else's ideas of
how a desktop should be? 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[gazz]

On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:21 +0100, Colin Law wrote:

> 
> Not sure what you mean by that, you can get to the window of an open
> app by clicking its icon in the launcher.

Only it's main window, not if it has extra panels - the progress bar in
file operations or any other pane opened by an application as you use it
like a bunch of open email compose windows (where I've just flipped to
Firefox to paste a link or something) -  It's really radically annoying.
I've now realised that if you hold the super key and click on the button
it tiles all the panes open in any given app (well, at least I think
that's how I just did that) . . . but, again, it's infinitely clunkier
than just pointing and clicking at the pane's button on a task bar. Had
to hold down the super key, manoeuvre the mouse over the bar (otherwise
it'll autohide). 

Thanks - I could adapt the script you point to - but it'll take me 20
mins and I already had the problem solved with a widget! Like I say, I
don't want to have to go back to doing everything on the commandline and
in scripts cos someone decided I didn't need a well-developed, perfectly
good, widget :( 

To Avi: my point is that I *didn't* used to do this stuff with a mouse
but people keep urging me to do so in order to redress Unity's
shortcomings. I find I'm using the keyboard instead and with the
multiple panes thing I'm doing a helluva lot of tedious cycling.
Middle-clicking on a touch pad is (a) physically demanding and (b) even
more confusing than cycling. Whatever multiple-clicky-whatnot I did to
tile them is actually clunkier. 

No doubt I'll eventually find ways of navigating around comfortably but,
really, I resent so much bother for so little reward :(  

Finally, do we have to have such plug-ugly icons? Why can't I change the
icon scheme like you could with Human? 

OK I acknowledge that part of my moaning has to do with being required
to undertake a substantial learning curve and habit modification but,
really, what am I getting from Unity that makes it worth it? I think we
should be told . . . 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Colin Law]

On 9 June 2011 12:37, gazz  wrote:
>  ... about Unity
> It has some really nice features, it's true - but it's the stubborn fixity
> of it that drives me nuts. I can't have my usual widgets and it really is
> very, very clunky having to cycle through all the open windows constantly.

Not sure what you mean by that, you can get to the window of an open
app by clicking its icon in the launcher.

> It's clunky to click both buttons on a laptop touchpad, don't wanna! It's
> much easier to point and tap). I want my weather widget back waaah! And
> I mostly use tree view in Nautilus - but the mountable nfs partitions I have
> in fstab only show under places view so they can be mounted in the gui. I
> used to solve this by using the disk-mounter widget on a panel but it's
> vanished. So now I'm endlessly switching between tree and places view in
> nautilus - unless I want to flip open a terminal every time I need to mount
> a network partition. (I know you're going to ask why I don't automount them
> - well, cos they're on a laptop and I don't want errors when they're not
> available).

You can find a great method automatically mounting shares as they
become available and unmounting them if they become inaccessible at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=637258

Colin

> ...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Avi Greenbury]

gazz wrote:

It has some really nice features, it's true - but it's the stubborn
fixity of it that drives me nuts.


This is what's getting me. Gnome used to (quite rightly) get told off
for not being configurable. In the past few years it's come on leaps and
bounds and is now rather useful. I really don't see the problem that 
unity is setting out to solve which makes putting up with it until it's 
finished rather difficult. But I am something of a luddite, perhaps the 
problem is that it's not changed enough recently.



I can't have my usual widgets


Yeah, I'm currently being inordinately irritated by the lack of an
Inhibit App on the panel. I think that it's a combination of that and
alt+f2's silence-on-error that's currently most making me want to be 
using something else.



and it really is very, very clunky having to cycle through all the
open windows constantly. It's clunky to click both buttons on a
laptop touchpad, don't wanna! It's much easier to point and tap).


I don't think I've ever used my middle-mouse button (which you're
emulating with the both-buttons-at-the-same-time thing) for anything
other than pasting; what feature am I missing out on here?

Is this just the sending a window to the bottom of the pile by
middle-clicking on its title bar? Doesn't the single-click on the
minimise button have roughly the same effect?


And I mostly use tree view in Nautilus - but the mountable nfs
partitions I have in fstab only show under places view so they can
be mounted in the gui. I used to solve this by using the
disk-mounter widget on a panel but it's vanished. So now I'm
endlessly switching between tree and places view in nautilus - unless
I want to flip open a terminal every time I need to mount a network
partition. (I know you're going to ask why I don't automount them -
well, cos they're on a laptop and I don't want errors when they're
not available).


I've long since stopped finding the way nautilus deals with removable
volumes amusing and now find it downright infuriating.
I've put all my removable volumes in fstab and just ignore the errors
now, it's way easier than navigating the several different abstractions
that've been thrown at the non-problem.


It feels like lego. I've been using Unity for a few days and I'm
really experiencing it as limited and clunky - I'm using keyboard
shortcuts I haven't bothered with for years and re-discovering the
tedium of endlessly cycling through windows. It feels retrogressive
to me.


Ah, I think most of the reason I've not had issues with it is because I
rarely do the mouse things. Most of what's changed are the menus and the 
launcher and I use neither. And I'm sure there's some fancy new

keyboard shortcuts in there, too.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[gazz]

On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 21:30 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:

> On 6 June 2011 15:57, gazz  wrote:
> >
> > Ah, dunno, haven't actually looked at Gnome 3 yet . . . if it's as bad as
> > Unity - eeek!
> 
> Unity is a /lot/ more like traditional GNOME 2 than GNOME 3 is.
> 
> Put in the time to learn Unity. It is a pretty decent GUI, honestly. I
> don't understand why people are whinging so much about it. It's fine,
> it's just different.


Well, I spose this is the way things are going so I've bitten the bullet
and switched to Unity - in any case, I'll have to be able to train
people on it 

It has some really nice features, it's true - but it's the stubborn
fixity of it that drives me nuts. I can't have my usual widgets and it
really is very, very clunky having to cycle through all the open windows
constantly. It's clunky to click both buttons on a laptop touchpad,
don't wanna! It's much easier to point and tap). I want my weather
widget back waaah! And I mostly use tree view in Nautilus - but the
mountable nfs partitions I have in fstab only show under places view so
they can be mounted in the gui. I used to solve this by using the
disk-mounter widget on a panel but it's vanished. So now I'm endlessly
switching between tree and places view in nautilus - unless I want to
flip open a terminal every time I need to mount a network partition. (I
know you're going to ask why I don't automount them - well, cos they're
on a laptop and I don't want errors when they're not available). 

It's also annoyingly buggy - but, of course, that'll improve so not
really worth whinging about now - but doesn't exactly reduce my overall
annoyance. It has a very 'alpha' feel about it. Then there are niggly
little things - like I can't work out how to assign an icon to something
that I put on the launcher which clearly doesn't have a native launcher
icon (such as sync-ui which I use a lot - I have to tell several buttons
with just grey questionmarks on them apart by their position on the
launcher - not good). If someone knows how to do this, it'd be very
welcome. It took me a month of sundays to resize the launcher bar and
autohide it - trawling all over the compiz settings manager is no fun
either and the customisation rewards are small. 

On the good side - I especially like the feature where the super key
allocates numbers to application shortcuts (although it's a pity this
only goes up to 9 so if I want something lower down I have to start
again with the touchpad). I like the way all the windows will tile on
the desktop (not sure where I clicked to get it to do that though lol).
I also really like the way you can search quickly for an app, whose name
you know but isn't in the launcher, and launch it very fast. But if you
*don't* remember the name of the app, it'll take you all week to find
it . . . 

Overall, my feeling about it is that if you use your PC as an Ubuntu One
'toaster' it's great. If one of the things you loved about Linux/GNOME
was the enormous flexibility of the customisable desktop and widgets
you'll hate it. 

It feels like lego. I've been using Unity for a few days and I'm really
experiencing it as limited and clunky - I'm using keyboard shortcuts I
haven't bothered with for years and re-discovering the tedium of
endlessly cycling through windows. It feels retrogressive to me. 

I'm finding more stuff that it *does* do all the time though, and no
doubt I'll get more used to it - and it'll improve - but can't we have a
bit more customisation and control - widgets and stuff? Or am I missing
something? 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Liam Proven]

On 6 June 2011 15:57, gazz  wrote:
>
> Ah, dunno, haven't actually looked at Gnome 3 yet . . . if it's as bad as
> Unity - eeek!

Unity is a /lot/ more like traditional GNOME 2 than GNOME 3 is.

Put in the time to learn Unity. It is a pretty decent GUI, honestly. I
don't understand why people are whinging so much about it. It's fine,
it's just different.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[John Stevenson]

On 7 June 2011 06:55, Philip Stubbs  wrote:

> There seems to be a lot of Unity bashing going on. Just for balance, I
> have been getting on fine. I accept that it is still very young and
> has some maturing to do, but overall, I like it.
>
> The big test for me was how the wife would get on. I was expecting all
> sorts of wailing and mumbling along the lines of why change it. Well I
> did get that, but it was only to do with the style of the cards in her
> favourite game! That was easy to adjust.
>
> I am really looking forward to 11.10 to see how Unity grows up. Also
> being able to switch between Unity and Gnome 3 will be interesting.
>

I'd like to share this sentiment made by Philip.  Unity is not perfect and I
did not expect it to be considering the huge amount of effort that went in
just to get it as far as it has already come.  I am finding Unity much more
productive that the "classic" desktop and with some ideas from OMG Ubuntu
have added a few missing pieces.

I have not had any problems using any applications, find the global menu
very intuitive to use and very quick, love the additional indicators that
have been created since the release and am really amazed at how much work is
going on around Unity.

I have set up Unity for a whole range of people, from my girlfriend, to work
colleagues and people looking for something nice to use on their PC.  They
all love and made no issue about it not looking like the last version.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Philip Stubbs]

There seems to be a lot of Unity bashing going on. Just for balance, I
have been getting on fine. I accept that it is still very young and
has some maturing to do, but overall, I like it.

The big test for me was how the wife would get on. I was expecting all
sorts of wailing and mumbling along the lines of why change it. Well I
did get that, but it was only to do with the style of the cards in her
favourite game! That was easy to adjust.

I am really looking forward to 11.10 to see how Unity grows up. Also
being able to switch between Unity and Gnome 3 will be interesting.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[scoundrel50a]

On 06/06/11 15:57, gazz wrote:



On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 15:50 +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote:

gazz wrote:
>  Unity is just too much like hard work IMHO! Thank God, apparently GNOME
>  3 is implemented in Oneiric so it'll be possible just to install GNOME.

I'm intrigued by this. I've so far found that Unity breaks far fewer of
my assumptions and habits than Gnome3 does. The biggie with Gnome 3 for
is the workspace management, but the common criticisms apply to each -
neither has a wonderfully fast or easy menu and neither has much in the
way of configuration options.

>  I'll get the alpha and see how this goes soon . . . I'll give Unity
>  another go but, really, so far it's really not working for me :(

Ah yeah, I've been going back-and-forth for a bit - I spend just long
enough with one to forget all the niggly bits that irritated me about
the other and switch back.

I suspect that once I've 'fixed' the workspaces in Gnome3 I'll stick
with it, but I'm still having trouble seeing the benefit of either over
Gnome 2.

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Ah, dunno, haven't actually looked at Gnome 3 yet . . . if it's as bad 
as Unity - eeek!


Paula 


I switched to lxde on my netbook, even though its the only computer I 
have that works with 11.04. I am working with Unity, but not liking it 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[gazz]

On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 15:50 +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote:

> gazz wrote:
> > Unity is just too much like hard work IMHO! Thank God, apparently GNOME
> > 3 is implemented in Oneiric so it'll be possible just to install GNOME.
> 
> I'm intrigued by this. I've so far found that Unity breaks far fewer of 
> my assumptions and habits than Gnome3 does. The biggie with Gnome 3 for 
> is the workspace management, but the common criticisms apply to each - 
> neither has a wonderfully fast or easy menu and neither has much in the 
> way of configuration options.
> 
> > I'll get the alpha and see how this goes soon . . . I'll give Unity
> > another go but, really, so far it's really not working for me :(
> 
> Ah yeah, I've been going back-and-forth for a bit - I spend just long 
> enough with one to forget all the niggly bits that irritated me about 
> the other and switch back.
> 
> I suspect that once I've 'fixed' the workspaces in Gnome3 I'll stick 
> with it, but I'm still having trouble seeing the benefit of either over 
> Gnome 2.
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Ah, dunno, haven't actually looked at Gnome 3 yet . . . if it's as bad
as Unity - eeek! 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Avi Greenbury]

gazz wrote:

Unity is just too much like hard work IMHO! Thank God, apparently GNOME
3 is implemented in Oneiric so it'll be possible just to install GNOME.


I'm intrigued by this. I've so far found that Unity breaks far fewer of 
my assumptions and habits than Gnome3 does. The biggie with Gnome 3 for 
is the workspace management, but the common criticisms apply to each - 
neither has a wonderfully fast or easy menu and neither has much in the 
way of configuration options.



I'll get the alpha and see how this goes soon . . . I'll give Unity
another go but, really, so far it's really not working for me :(


Ah yeah, I've been going back-and-forth for a bit - I spend just long 
enough with one to forget all the niggly bits that irritated me about 
the other and switch back.


I suspect that once I've 'fixed' the workspaces in Gnome3 I'll stick 
with it, but I'm still having trouble seeing the benefit of either over 
Gnome 2.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[gazz]

On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 20:39 +0100, George Tripp wrote:
> >From: John Stevenson 
> >Move the mouse between the Gimp menu and the indicators on the panel
> and press the middle mouse button (or left/right buttons together).
> This cycles through the windows open on the workspace.
> 
> Thanks John (and everyone else who replied) - this seems to have the
> desired effect.
> 
> George
> 
> 

Unity is just too much like hard work IMHO! Thank God, apparently GNOME
3 is implemented in Oneiric so it'll be possible just to install GNOME.
I'll get the alpha and see how this goes soon . . . I'll give Unity
another go but, really, so far it's really not working for me :(

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

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>From: John Stevenson 
>Move the mouse between the Gimp menu and the indicators on the panel and press 
>the middle mouse button (or left/right buttons together).  This cycles through 
>the windows open on the workspace.

Thanks John (and everyone else who replied) - this seems to have the desired 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Liam Proven]

On 30 May 2011 20:50, George Tripp  wrote:
> Just when I thought I'd got used to unity & I can probably live with it I 
> tried
> using the gimp.
>
> Previously with this I have the main window maximised & set up toolbox & 
> layers
> as normal windows hidden behind the main one.

Middle-click the title bar of any window on Ubuntu and it puts that
window behind any other windows that are covering it. This works in
all programs, regardless of whether you're in Unity, GNOME, even KDE
or whatever.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Liam Proven]

On 31 May 2011 09:46, John Stevenson  wrote:
> Hello George
> Move the mouse between the Gimp menu and the indicators on the panel and
> press the middle mouse button (or left/right buttons together).  This cycles
> through the windows open on the workspace.

This is the 2nd or 3rd time you've mentioned this. I've tried it and
nothing at all happens. What is /meant/ to happen?

If an app window is maximised, but only then, the top panel /is/ its
title bar, and thus, middle-clicking it sends it to the back of all
the other windows. This is standard Linux behaviour.

But if windows are unmaximised, middle-clicking the panel does nothing
for me, either on normal 3D Unity or on Unity-2D. I've tried.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[John Stevenson]

On 30 May 2011 20:50, George Tripp  wrote:

> Just when I thought I'd got used to unity & I can probably live with it I
> tried
> using the gimp.
>
> Previously with this I have the main window maximised & set up toolbox &
> layers
> as normal windows hidden behind the main one.
>
> In gnome2 it's easy to get at these other two windows from the bottom
> panel.
> However in unity this option obviously isn't there.
>
> Clicking on the gimp icon on the launcher does get the option to choose
> which of
> the 3 open windows you want so all is not lost but it does seem a lot of
> clicks
> and messing!
>
> Anyone else find this annoying? Any solutions?
>
> Perhaps I'll get used to this as well!
>
> George
>

Hello George
Move the mouse between the Gimp menu and the indicators on the panel and
press the middle mouse button (or left/right buttons together).  This cycles
through the windows open on the workspace.

Have a read of the Unity keyboard guide on OMG ubuntu to learn how to get
the most out of it (or Google for Unity keyboard guide).

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/become-a-natty-power-user-in-no-time-using-this-unit-keyboard-shortcuts-wallpaper/
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html

If you want to configure Unity to behave differently there is a good answer
on askubuntu.com -
http://askubuntu.com/questions/29553/how-can-i-configure-unity

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Steve Fisher]

How about a work-around, don't run Unity so don't know if possible and can't
test.  Can you attach a script to a button on the Unity bar?  If so, install
xdotool and put this script on the bar:

#!/bin/bash
xdotool search --class gimp windowactivate

Definitely works from a terminal though and from compiz, but not from a run
box (gmrun) - strange.

Cheers

Steve

PS - Or does Unity use the gnome hotkey program???
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[George Tripp]

- Original Message 
> From: Avi 
> Sounds like alt+tab might be one?
> 

Yeah kind of works. Tend not to use/remember keyboard short cuts. I'll see how 
I 
get on.

Thanks

George


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Simon Greenwood]

On 30 May 2011 21:26, Bill B.  wrote:

> On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 20:50 +0100, George Tripp wrote:
> > Just when I thought I'd got used to unity & I can probably live with
> it I tried
> > using the gimp.
> >
> > Previously with this I have the main window maximised & set up toolbox
> & layers
> > as normal windows hidden behind the main one.
> >
> > In gnome2 it's easy to get at these other two windows from the bottom
> panel.
> > However in unity this option obviously isn't there.
> >
> > Clicking on the gimp icon on the launcher does get the option to
> choose which of
> > the 3 open windows you want so all is not lost but it does seem a lot
> of clicks
> > and messing!
> >
> > Anyone else find this annoying? Any solutions?
> >
> > Perhaps I'll get used to this as well!
> >
> > George
> >
>
> I found the same thing and then found the solution...
> I reinstalled 10.04 & haven't stopped thanking myself since.
>
> Sorry to be negative, especially where a lot of people obviously did a
> lot a lot of work to get 11.04 ready [perhaps I'm just a stick in the
> mud but when it comes to usability - oh dear!  Looking forward to next
> release to see where the usability bugs canbe / have been sorted.
>

You could have just switched to classic mode from the login screen. I agree
that Unity needs a lot more work, including more user configuration options
but it's got to start somewhere.

s/

>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Bill B.]

On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 20:50 +0100, George Tripp wrote:
> Just when I thought I'd got used to unity & I can probably live with
it I tried 
> using the gimp.
> 
> Previously with this I have the main window maximised & set up toolbox
& layers 
> as normal windows hidden behind the main one.
> 
> In gnome2 it's easy to get at these other two windows from the bottom
panel. 
> However in unity this option obviously isn't there. 
> 
> Clicking on the gimp icon on the launcher does get the option to
choose which of 
> the 3 open windows you want so all is not lost but it does seem a lot
of clicks 
> and messing!
> 
> Anyone else find this annoying? Any solutions? 
> 
> Perhaps I'll get used to this as well!
> 
> George
> 

I found the same thing and then found the solution...
I reinstalled 10.04 & haven't stopped thanking myself since.

Sorry to be negative, especially where a lot of people obviously did a
lot a lot of work to get 11.04 ready [perhaps I'm just a stick in the
mud but when it comes to usability - oh dear!  Looking forward to next
release to see where the usability bugs canbe / have been sorted.
Cheers,

Bill B. 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Colin Law]

On 30 May 2011 21:09, Avi  wrote:
> George Tripp wrote:
>> Anyone else find this annoying? Any solutions?
>>
>
>
> Sounds like alt+tab might be one?

No, alt+tab does not allow navigation between the gimp's application
windows.  It only makes available the main window (for me in Unity-2D
at least).

Colin

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[Avi]

George Tripp wrote: 
> Anyone else find this annoying? Any solutions? 
> 


Sounds like alt+tab might be one?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

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On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 20:50 +0100, George Tripp wrote:
> Just when I thought I'd got used to unity & I can probably live with it I 
> tried 
> using the gimp.
> 
> Previously with this I have the main window maximised & set up toolbox & 
> layers 
> as normal windows hidden behind the main one.
> 
> In gnome2 it's easy to get at these other two windows from the bottom panel. 
> However in unity this option obviously isn't there. 
> 
> Clicking on the gimp icon on the launcher does get the option to choose which 
> of 
> the 3 open windows you want so all is not lost but it does seem a lot of 
> clicks 
> and messing!
> 
> Anyone else find this annoying? Any solutions? 
> 
> Perhaps I'll get used to this as well!
> 
> George
> 

I found the same thing and then found the solution...
I reinstalled 10.04 & haven't stopped thanking myself since.

Sorry to be negative, especially where a lot of people obviously did a
lot a lot of work to get 11.04 ready [perhaps I'm just a stick in the
mud but when it comes to usability - oh dear!  Looking forward to next
release to see where the usability bugs canbe / have been sorted.

Regards,
Bill B. [SuperEngineer]

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[ubuntu-uk] unity & gimp

[George Tripp]

Just when I thought I'd got used to unity & I can probably live with it I tried 
using the gimp.

Previously with this I have the main window maximised & set up toolbox & layers 
as normal windows hidden behind the main one.

In gnome2 it's easy to get at these other two windows from the bottom panel. 
However in unity this option obviously isn't there. 

Clicking on the gimp icon on the launcher does get the option to choose which 
of 
the 3 open windows you want so all is not lost but it does seem a lot of clicks 
and messing!

Anyone else find this annoying? Any solutions? 

Perhaps I'll get used to this as well!

George

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