Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Alan Pope wrote: > Hi Mark, > > On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 09:47 +0100, Mark Harrison wrote: > >> Matthew Larsen wrote: >> >>> YES a Hitchhikers reference!! >>> >>> Thats the first one i've seen on this list! >>> >>> >>> >> OK, see if you can guess what this proves: >> >> Without looking, it's hanging on the second peg from the right on the >> door of my en-suite. >> >> > > You keep your anorak where your towel should be? > > Cheers, > Al. > /me wonders whether it's too late to change his vote :-) M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Hi Mark, On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 09:47 +0100, Mark Harrison wrote: > Matthew Larsen wrote: > > YES a Hitchhikers reference!! > > > > Thats the first one i've seen on this list! > > > > > OK, see if you can guess what this proves: > > Without looking, it's hanging on the second peg from the right on the > door of my en-suite. > You keep your anorak where your towel should be? Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
DUUUH we all know the first rule of hitchiking ;) On 02/10/2007, Mark Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew Larsen wrote: > > YES a Hitchhikers reference!! > > > > Thats the first one i've seen on this list! > > > > > OK, see if you can guess what this proves: > > Without looking, it's hanging on the second peg from the right on the > door of my en-suite. > > :-) > > > Mark > > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- Matthew G Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Matthew Larsen wrote: > YES a Hitchhikers reference!! > > Thats the first one i've seen on this list! > > OK, see if you can guess what this proves: Without looking, it's hanging on the second peg from the right on the door of my en-suite. :-) Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
On 01/10/2007, Ian Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now if that > approach is wrong I'll step out into the Vortex YES a Hitchhikers reference!! Thats the first one i've seen on this list! Regards, -- Matthew G Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Hi Jed In case I missed a response to your questions, apologies up front. Some of the members on this list may well be developers involved either directly or indirectly with Ubuntu, or indeed other projects, but this list is not for them as they have their own. Neither is it solely for use by geeks or IT Professionals only. The sole intent of this list is to help Ubuntu users in all it's various flavours, to aid, assist and guide, and occasionally to go off topic - perhaps if you think of the list as more of a social club with technical expertise thrown in for good measure you'll have a better understanding of how I see and treat this list. Now if that approach is wrong I'll step out into the Vortex E PS Well done Alan too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ged Sent: 30 September 2007 19:02 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3. Alan Pope wrote: > > * Not many people voted (44 out of a possible 260+). Possibly down to > the accelerated schedule we set up for the vote, voter apathy or maybe > something else. We need to look at whether that number is fair and > representative (maybe only 44 people actually 'contribute' to Ubuntu-UK, > maybe only 44 people saw the mail) and if it isn't, look at ways to > improve that. > > Further mails to follow. > > Many thanks > Al. > > Congratulations Alan. The reason I didn't vote was the fact that you had to be registered on Launchpad. I followed the link to join and then thought that I had no right being there. It appeared to be for developers. Then I thought should I be on this list at all ? Should I ? I'm a kubuntu using taxi driver who was told about ubuntu-uk by a chap who turned up at my local lug (manlug) and asked if there was any objection to holding joint meetings. I signed up to this mailing list then, but I've never seen him since. So the question is -- Is this the right place to be ? Ged p.s. I would have voted for you anyway and can we have a screencast of the election result please ? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Dave Walker wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british about: Re: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands onhigh, playing track 3. > I opened the 'Poll', and the process to do so is not well documented. [..] > The second poll, I am > not entirely sure went wrong with the timing; but as Launchpad only > stated the date it would end, and not the hours until quite late on it > wasn't noticed initially. Once i realised I immediately tried to > rectify this error; As it required manual database access - I tried to > contact all Launchpad 'devs', and there were not any available with > suitable access privilege to make the change. Thanks for the explanation, Dave. Thanks also to Alan for his similar reply. It seems that the situation was really just an old-fashioned 'cock-up' rather than a 'conspiracy' and perhaps I should not have been so quick to express concern. I apologise to Alan if I have impugned him in my comments, but I am sure you can understand why I thought it looked like a bit of a fast one was being pulled. > I was the 'runner-up', and I do not object to the outcome. If a > significant proportion of the community feel that it should be re-staged > then I will not object - but I do feel it is unnecessary. I must admit that you are being very gracious in defeat :) OK, given that it was just a sequence of teething troubles and mistakes, and that the runner-up is willing to accept the result (I should point out that from your Ubuntu 'CVs' either of Alan or Dave would be good candidates), if there is no strong feeling for a re-run of the election then I'm happy to let it rest. Obviously, anybody who did intend to vote, and was unable to, should speak out if they still have concerns. > I agree that there has been numerous problems with the electoral > process. However, this is our first formal election and I think > 'teething' should be expected. I think our community has learnt from > this; and the next vote should be somewhat more professional. I will > blog/wiki the process, and hopefully other teams can learn from our > mistakes. That sounds like an excellent idea. If I can assist with future votes, etc, I am happy to volunteer to help out. > In reference to Alan's announcement, he did consult with me regarding > the content of the posting. I suggested the "Subject:", and he used it. > I cannot speak for the other candidates, but I know Alan didn't wish the > context to be conveyed as 'gloating', just humorous. OK, my apologies. It just came over the wrong way given what looked liked slightly dubious circumstances. (I didn't recognise it as a Doctor Who quote and just thought it was a bit too megalomaniac, even if intended humorously, in the circumstances.) ..anyway, the current incarnation of the Master was a bit crap, anyhow ;-( David. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) <-- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content => filtered! >> Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ << -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
On 30/09/2007, ged <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The reason I didn't vote was the fact that you had to be registered on > Launchpad. I followed the link to join and then thought that I had no > right being there. It appeared to be for developers. I think Launchpad was originally made as a developer tool, but it's now been extended to other purposes. > Then I thought should I be on this list at all ? Should I ? Yes, absolutely! It's for discussion about the Ubuntu-UK team, and Ubuntu use in the UK. It also seems to be a good place to ask for help if you're having problems using Ubuntu or one of the variants. Hope this helps. Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Hi Dave, On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 20:13 +0100, Dave Walker wrote: > It only had one date in memory, so I am really confused how the error > was introduced. > If only we could look at the source of launchpad we might be able to look for bugs. :) Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 20:02 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > > I wonder if a typo was to blame, Dave? > > Cheers, > Al. It's possible, but the thing that confuses me is that I used Firefox's caching of the dates i have previously entered (ie, the incorrect poll - that did finish on time). I started typing and Firefox completed. It only had one date in memory, so I am really confused how the error was introduced. Kind Regards, Dave Walker signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Hi again, On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 18:29 +0100, David M wrote: > Alan Pope wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british > about: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing > track 3. > > > According to this:- > > > > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact > > > > Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have "won" the post of "Point > > of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team". > > Hang on a minute!! > > Your post was dated: > Sun Sep 30 16:14:32 BST 2007 > A friend of mine has just pointed out that the vote should have ended at:- 21:00 But ended at 12:00 I wonder if a typo was to blame, Dave? Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Hi David, On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 18:29 +0100, David M wrote: > Alan Pope wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british > about: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing > track 3. > > > According to this:- > > > > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact > > > > Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have "won" the post of "Point > > of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team". > > Hang on a minute!! > > Your post was dated: > Sun Sep 30 16:14:32 BST 2007 > That looks about right. > Yet the poll was not due to close until: > > > The vote should close Sunday 30th September at 21:00 (BST) > But it didn't. It closed at 12:00 on Sunday. Why, I do not know, but someone else who knows more about how polls work in launchpad may be able to elaborate. I didn't really notice the time, I just refreshed the poll page and noticed it had finished and I had won. I typed a reply a few hours later. > [ref: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-September/007274.html] > > > Who prematurely closed the poll, and why? Nobody. Once you start a poll you can't prematurely close it as I understand it. > (Come to that, who actually organised the poll on a technical level?) > David Walker. The sequence of events went a bit like this:- * Over a year ago I said we needed a process in place to manage voting in a new leader - more than once. Nothing was done. * Nik stood down. (time passes) * I asked Michael Wood to remove Nik as an administrator and I suggested he finds someone else (such as Dave Walker) to be the second admin of the team. This was to enable someone other than Michael Wood to administer the creation of the poll/vote. * Michael Wood removed Nik and added Dave as an administrator. (Note: at this point Dave was not a candidate). * Dave Walker familiarises himself with the poll creation process. * A short while before the nominations process ends, Dave Walker makes up his mind to put himself forward for the vote (I tried to word this in a number of ways so as not to make Dave out to be anything other than impartial and respectful in this - this is the best I came up with). * Dave Walker creates a poll and screws it up a bit in the process. * Dave Walker creates a second poll which appears to be configured correctly. * People voted. * I saw the poll had ended, I pasted the link in the IRC channel to the closed vote * I discussed with Dave Walker who should announce the result and during that conversation I suggested a humorous subject line for the announcement, (I initially went for "Bow down subjects before your new Leader", but upon suggestion from Dave, and a clarification of the exact wording from my friend Hugo, I used the Dr Who reference). * You notice that the time my mail precedes the initially published time of the vote and make some quite rash and (in my opinion) incorrect assumptions about myself and the process. > With a narrow margin of only 4 votes separating the top two candidates: > > Alan Pope for Ubuntu-uk PoC 23 > Dave Walker for Ubuntu-uk PoC19 > > ..at the time that the poll was prematurely closed, this sham of an election > must be declared null and void, and re-run. With such a close result, there > may have been sufficient members busy doing things at the weekend who had > planned to vote later in the evening, who could have influenced the result > (either to change it or to show further support for the then-leading > candidate), but they have been deprived of the opportunity to cast their > vote. > I will happily stand again if there is sufficient call for the vote to be held again. > > Frankly, I'm not at all impressed at a so-called community contact who > illegally proclaims his sham victory in such a gloating and juvenile > fashion, and such a lack of professionalism does not inspire confidence > in how the candidate would undertake the role. > I find this paragraph verging on a personal attack. Whilst I can't speak for everyone, many people I'm sure will agree that for the most part the things I do for Ubuntu are for the benefit of Ubuntu and the community. I don't tend to act in the way you are portraying me to act. However your interpretation of events has led me to reflect on my activities within the Ubuntu community and for that I am grateful. > > Perhaps there will be no change in the result, but we need to be seen as > professional and to act in a professional fashion, and for that reason > we must re-run the election, with adequate publicity, adequate > timescales and under no circumstances varying from the voting procedure > once announced and agreed. > I would also appreciate it (if you would like) for you to assist in the running of this procedure if you think that would help. > I therefore propose that the election be re-run (with the same > candidates [1]), starting at 0:01 on Thursday 4 October, and closing at > 23:59 on Monday 8 October. Under no circumstances shou
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 18:29 +0100, David M wrote: Hi David, You have raised some good points. I opened the 'Poll', and the process to do so is not well documented. There are some failings with the Launchpad documentation in this area. As you could probably see, there were infact two "polls". This was because I opened the first one, then went to add the candidates. It seems that once a "Poll" starts you cannot add 'options'. So a second poll had to be opened with a future start-time. The second poll, I am not entirely sure went wrong with the timing; but as Launchpad only stated the date it would end, and not the hours until quite late on it wasn't noticed initially. Once i realised I immediately tried to rectify this error; As it required manual database access - I tried to contact all Launchpad 'devs', and there were not any available with suitable access privilege to make the change. I was the 'runner-up', and I do not object to the outcome. If a significant proportion of the community feel that it should be re-staged then I will not object - but I do feel it is unnecessary. I agree that there has been numerous problems with the electoral process. However, this is our first formal election and I think 'teething' should be expected. I think our community has learnt from this; and the next vote should be somewhat more professional. I will blog/wiki the process, and hopefully other teams can learn from our mistakes. In reference to Alan's announcement, he did consult with me regarding the content of the posting. I suggested the "Subject:", and he used it. I cannot speak for the other candidates, but I know Alan didn't wish the context to be conveyed as 'gloating', just humorous. Kind Regards, Dave Walker signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Dave Walker wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british about: Re: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3. > On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 20:27 +0100, norman wrote: >> This is not a Political organisation. I assume its purpose is to help Ubuntu >> users and potential users. I fail to see what the object of the post is >> and why it is necessary. Perhaps, if you have the time, you could >> educate me and show me whether I am right or wrong. > > I find the tone of your posting very terse, and a fail to see what you > are trying to achieve. I think Norman simply is unsure what the "Ubuntu-UK Point of Contact" role is for, and is merely asking for some clarification. There seems to be an unfortunate trend amongst some members to adopt too much of the Ubuntu jargon (this is not just an Ubuntu thing, it's far too endemic and 'user-unfriendly' in too much of computing), and when people talk (amongst the mass membership) too much hyper-abbreviated gobbledygook, such as "LoCo PoC" (hmm, /poco loco/, huh?), it's perhaps not surprising that it can be confusing and offputting to many ordinary Ubuntu users. Let's not forget that while Ubuntu works because of many people contributing a great deal towards the project, and while such typing shorthand may be acceptable in technical discussions within a knowing audience, bear in mind that Ubuntu would be far less successful without its growing userbase: and to encourage ordinary people to try, adopt and even become involved in Ubuntu, we need to speak to them (us) in more human terms. > I would hardly call the discussion that took place an argument. It was > a discussion.. This was essential, as in Ubuntu-UK's history we have > never had an elected Leader/Point of contact. If you can find an > organisation that has >267 members and doesn't have an electoral (fair) > way of forming leadership, then I will be impressed.=20 As I have made clear, I am unhappy with the way that the election process was run (although I should point out that I am glad that some changes were made as a result of my comments, such as announcing the Poll Opening in a new thread, rather than hidden away almost as an 'aside' buried in an existing thread as had been the case with the abortive IRC poll attempt). However, I am not just going to gripe about it: I am perfectly willing to propose a procedure (because we need to have consistent and fair procedures) for holding such elections in the future, such that we can have a procedure in place in good time for future elections, and not be making something up on the hoof at the last minute. > I feel it was essential that the results of the 'Poll' were > communicated. Alan, who was successfully in winning the 'Poll' should > be the person to announce this IMO. I'm afraid that also doesn't feel right (whoever wins). We should have a neutral 'vote coordinator' who: * is not a candidate * announces the election timetable, including Call for Candidates, Poll Open/Close * announces the results > Alan followed the CoC quite happily, as he discussed (with me) whether > he should be the one to announce it - and it's content. If you feel the > "Subject:"; was inappropriate blame me. It's just one of those things that doesn't feel right when a not-disinterested party is making the announcements (and the way it was presented with its frivolous subject - which didn't even say who had won, you had to piece that together from the message and the From: field - came over as very unprofessional). Of course, once the official announcement is made, the successful candidate and any others are welcome to comment as they see fit (with whatever degree of frivolity they then feel is appropriate for their 'speech'). We do need to bear in mind that while Ubuntu can of course be fun and frivolous, if we are presenting ourselves to the public - and especially if the Community Contact is likely to engage with the media - we need to present ourselves as we would want others to see us. That doesn't necessarily mean shirt-buttoned-up formality (ugh), but there is a degree of professionalism that is necessary. > I would like to thank the 19 people who voted for me; it's a shame I > cannot know who you are, as I'd like to thank you all individually. As the very close runner-up, are you not concerned that the poll was closed prematurely, which may have made a significant difference to the result? David. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) <-- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content => filtered! >> Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ << -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Alan Pope wrote in gmane.linux.ubuntu.user.british about: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3. > According to this:- > > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact > > Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have "won" the post of "Point > of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team". Hang on a minute!! Your post was dated: Sun Sep 30 16:14:32 BST 2007 Yet the poll was not due to close until: > The vote should close Sunday 30th September at 21:00 (BST) [ref: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-September/007274.html] Who prematurely closed the poll, and why? (Come to that, who actually organised the poll on a technical level?) With a narrow margin of only 4 votes separating the top two candidates: Alan Pope for Ubuntu-uk PoC23 Dave Walker for Ubuntu-uk PoC 19 ..at the time that the poll was prematurely closed, this sham of an election must be declared null and void, and re-run. With such a close result, there may have been sufficient members busy doing things at the weekend who had planned to vote later in the evening, who could have influenced the result (either to change it or to show further support for the then-leading candidate), but they have been deprived of the opportunity to cast their vote. Frankly, I'm not at all impressed at a so-called community contact who illegally proclaims his sham victory in such a gloating and juvenile fashion, and such a lack of professionalism does not inspire confidence in how the candidate would undertake the role. Perhaps there will be no change in the result, but we need to be seen as professional and to act in a professional fashion, and for that reason we must re-run the election, with adequate publicity, adequate timescales and under no circumstances varying from the voting procedure once announced and agreed. I therefore propose that the election be re-run (with the same candidates [1]), starting at 0:01 on Thursday 4 October, and closing at 23:59 on Monday 8 October. Under no circumstances should the poll be closed before the closing time. [1] ..unless sufficient members feel that the poll has been mishandled to such an extent that they feel there should be a new call for candidates. I would be grateful if somebody could advise how to create a poll on Launchpad, thanks. David. -- David M. Edinburgh, Scotland. [en,fr,(de) <-- corrections welcome] * Please only quote minimum required for context; interleave reply text. * On-list replies preferred. Please don't 'cc:' list messages to me! * HTML/slug-trails/excess-quoting/no-context/zero-content => filtered! >> Read lists as news: nntp://news.gmane.org info: http://gmane.org/ << -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Well, if your the master, i'm the Doctor! (and Chris Rowson is K9) Question is who is Rose and Rose's mother? On a more serious note, if you ever need a hand popey just let me know. Regards, On 01/10/2007, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 16:14 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact > > > > Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have "won" the post of "Point > > of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team". > > > > Thanks for the kind words everyone. I hope I can do a good job, and when > I'm not, you lot can of course tell me so. > > By the way, if anyone didn't get the reference in the subject, click.. > > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-pQdOhUOZzU > > (flash required) > Doctor Who clip > > Cheers, > Al. > > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > > > -- Matthew G Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Hi Norman, On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 10:39 +0100, norman wrote: > What I wanted to achieve was an explanation of why it is seen to be > necessary, by UK Ubuntu users, to have a team leader. We don't have a leader. The role is "Point of Contact", nothing more. > Now, a point of > contact is a different matter and, provided that person passes > information and requests to Canonical from the UK users, or the other > way about, It's not just Canonical of course. As I see it, it's anyone who wants to talk to the UK community. They don't have to go through the Point of Contact of course, but some people like to deal with one person. Others are of course at liberty to contact the community directly through the mailing list or IRC channel, or to contact individuals in the community directly. There is no imposed protocol, more an implied one. It's also useful for LoCo to LoCo contact. I think it's part of the PoC role to disseminate information from other LoCo teams (announcements and offers of help for example) to us where appropriate. > than I say more > strength to his or her elbow. I assume the real reason is to help to > promote the widening use of Ubuntu and to assist in its improvement and > development. > That's part of it, but I don't think that's the PoCs responsibility. There are over 200 people in the UK LoCo team. I don't think it should fall on the head of one person to advocate and promote Ubuntu use in the UK. We should all be doing that as a matter of course. The PoC might just be able to help co-ordinate in places, or maybe liase with other groups (like LUGs) to help where they can. I guess what I'm saying is the PoC is both constrained (given its name) in remit but also flexible in that the person should be able to adapt to situations that come up. That's my interpretation anyway. > I have always admired Alan for the initiative he has taken even though I > may not necessarily always agree with his approach and my comments in no > way are intended in a derogatory manner. Alan's efforts in initiating > the tutorial videos were admirable and leave me wondering how he finds > time to keep doing them. I too wish him the best of luck and only wish I > were in a position to be able to be really helpful. > Many thanks for the kind words Norman. It's the feedback that I get about the screencasts that makes me want to make more of them. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Hi, On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 16:14 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact > > Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have "won" the post of "Point > of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team". > Thanks for the kind words everyone. I hope I can do a good job, and when I'm not, you lot can of course tell me so. By the way, if anyone didn't get the reference in the subject, click.. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-pQdOhUOZzU (flash required) Doctor Who clip Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
< big snip > > I find the tone of your posting very terse, and a fail to see what you > are trying to achieve. What I wanted to achieve was an explanation of why it is seen to be necessary, by UK Ubuntu users, to have a team leader. Now, a point of contact is a different matter and, provided that person passes information and requests to Canonical from the UK users, or the other way about, without imposing their personal views, than I say more strength to his or her elbow. I assume the real reason is to help to promote the widening use of Ubuntu and to assist in its improvement and development. < snip > I have always admired Alan for the initiative he has taken even though I may not necessarily always agree with his approach and my comments in no way are intended in a derogatory manner. Alan's efforts in initiating the tutorial videos were admirable and leave me wondering how he finds time to keep doing them. I too wish him the best of luck and only wish I were in a position to be able to be really helpful. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Hi, On 30/09/2007, James Dalley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I fail to see what the object of the post is > and why it is necessary. > > > As I see it we are not the only ubuntu mailing list/team in the world (+ > canonical employees) and everyone speaking > to everyone would be a huge mess. So a single point of contact(SPC) between > these different groups is the best idea, and > I cannot think of a better way to appoint this SPC than a vote from people > that know him, even if it is over the 'net. Indeed, having a team contact is required/encouraged in order to better interact with the international community. You can read more at the following pages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamContact It's not (necessarily) a position of leadership, that's why the term "contact" is used. I think Alan is a good choice. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
I fail to see what the object of the post is and why it is necessary. As I see it we are not the only ubuntu mailing list/team in the world (+ canonical employees) and everyone speaking to everyone would be a huge mess. So a single point of contact(SPC) between these different groups is the best idea, and I cannot think of a better way to appoint this SPC than a vote from people that know him, even if it is over the 'net. Jay _ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Well done Popey :)I'm sure you're up to the task - you deserve it btw can I have the 100 quid backhander you promised to each and every person who voted for you now pls... ? Pete On 30/09/2007, Mark Jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 30 September 2007 16:14, Alan Pope wrote: > > According to this:- > > > > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact > > > > Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have "won" the post of "Point > > of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team". > > > > Yay! (I think). > > Indeed - congrats Alan! > > > > > Firstly I'd like to thank Nik Butler for all his hard work herding sheep > > over the last 18 months or so. I wish him all the best with his > > endeavours outside Ubuntu-UK and of course as with anyone he's welcome > > to continue contributing to the team where time permits. > > > > Some things I'd like to say in brief. > > > > * It was a close result so clearly there are people who relate to the > > "pitch" that others gave. As such I would very much like to call on the > > skills of those people who put forward suggestions to help develop and > > deliver on those ideas. > > > > * Not many people voted (44 out of a possible 260+). Possibly down to > > the accelerated schedule we set up for the vote, voter apathy or maybe > > something else. We need to look at whether that number is fair and > > representative (maybe only 44 people actually 'contribute' to Ubuntu-UK, > > maybe only 44 people saw the mail) and if it isn't, look at ways to > > improve that. > > > > I didn't vote. I looked at the comments from the candidates and it was a tough > choice! Not having met any of the candidates personally, I would have had to > decide based on a few lines of comment plus posts to the list. > > Mark > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- 'In letters of gold, on a snow-white kite, I will write "I Love You!" And send it soaring high above you, for all to read!' RIP Billy M 1957-1997 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
On Sunday 30 September 2007 17:46:06 Matthew Larsen wrote: > PS I noted, Lord and master, you called us citizens: Your not turning > Ubuntu-UK into a fascist dictatorship are you? :S Better than being "subjects" which I think all of us in the UK technically are :-( Well done Alan! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 20:27 +0100, norman wrote: > < snip > > > You have had the congrats to which I have nothing to add. I did not vote > for a number of reasons especially when I saw the argument develop about > how to vote, when to vote, where to vote, why to vote, etc., etc. This > is not a Political organisation. I assume its purpose is to help Ubuntu > users and potential users. I fail to see what the object of the post is > and why it is necessary. Perhaps, if you have the time, you could > educate me and show me whether I am right or wrong. > > Norman > > Norman, I find the tone of your posting very terse, and a fail to see what you are trying to achieve. If you felt unhappy with the mechanism in place to find our new representative; then why did you not raise a complaint previously, when something could have been done to resolve it. I would hardly call the discussion that took place an argument. It was a discussion.. This was essential, as in Ubuntu-UK's history we have never had an elected Leader/Point of contact. If you can find an organisation that has >267 members and doesn't have an electoral (fair) way of forming leadership, then I will be impressed. I feel it was essential that the results of the 'Poll' were communicated. Alan, who was successfully in winning the 'Poll' should be the person to announce this IMO. Alan followed the CoC quite happily, as he discussed (with me) whether he should be the one to announce it - and it's content. If you feel the "Subject:"; was inappropriate blame me. It was your choice not to vote.. Infact, maybe you could have exercised your protest better by voting "None of the above". On a happier note, I would like to say "Well Done" to Alan. It was close; but he came on top. He has my full support and I think he will bring experience and enthusiasm to this title. I would like to thank the 19 people who voted for me; it's a shame I cannot know who you are, as I'd like to thank you all individually. Lets keep Ubunu-UK rockin'! Kind Regards, Dave Walker signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
< snip > You have had the congrats to which I have nothing to add. I did not vote for a number of reasons especially when I saw the argument develop about how to vote, when to vote, where to vote, why to vote, etc., etc. This is not a Political organisation. I assume its purpose is to help Ubuntu users and potential users. I fail to see what the object of the post is and why it is necessary. Perhaps, if you have the time, you could educate me and show me whether I am right or wrong. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Heil to the Leader! May the unbelievers repent, or be hanged from cat 5e cable as an example to others! But seriously, well done Alan - I'm sure you'll do a great job. Cheers Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
> Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have "won" the post of "Point > of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team". Many congratulations, as has already been said. Freddie :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Alan Pope wrote: > > * Not many people voted (44 out of a possible 260+). Possibly down to > the accelerated schedule we set up for the vote, voter apathy or maybe > something else. We need to look at whether that number is fair and > representative (maybe only 44 people actually 'contribute' to Ubuntu-UK, > maybe only 44 people saw the mail) and if it isn't, look at ways to > improve that. > > Further mails to follow. > > Many thanks > Al. > > Congratulations Alan. The reason I didn't vote was the fact that you had to be registered on Launchpad. I followed the link to join and then thought that I had no right being there. It appeared to be for developers. Then I thought should I be on this list at all ? Should I ? I'm a kubuntu using taxi driver who was told about ubuntu-uk by a chap who turned up at my local lug (manlug) and asked if there was any objection to holding joint meetings. I signed up to this mailing list then, but I've never seen him since. So the question is -- Is this the right place to be ? Ged p.s. I would have voted for you anyway and can we have a screencast of the election result please ? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Alan Pope wrote:
> Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have "won" the post of "Point
> of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team".
>
Hail to the Chief.
Say ("Well done Alan");
Case:
Alan carries on in the tradition of democracy
Do
Agree ("Alan", "90% of the time");
Case:
Alan turns Ubuntu-UK into a fascist dictatorship
Do:
Volunteer ("Head of Secret Police");
:-)
M.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Well done Alan, I'm sure you will be fantastic in the role! PS I noted, Lord and master, you called us citizens: Your not turning Ubuntu-UK into a fascist dictatorship are you? :S Regards, On 30/09/2007, Ron Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: > > According to this:- > > > > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact > > > > Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have "won" the post of "Point > > of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team". > > > > Yay! (I think). > > > > Firstly I'd like to thank Nik Butler for all his hard work herding sheep > > over the last 18 months or so. I wish him all the best with his > > endeavours outside Ubuntu-UK and of course as with anyone he's welcome > > to continue contributing to the team where time permits. > > > > Some things I'd like to say in brief. > > > > * It was a close result so clearly there are people who relate to the > > "pitch" that others gave. As such I would very much like to call on the > > skills of those people who put forward suggestions to help develop and > > deliver on those ideas. > > > > * Not many people voted (44 out of a possible 260+). Possibly down to > > the accelerated schedule we set up for the vote, voter apathy or maybe > > something else. We need to look at whether that number is fair and > > representative (maybe only 44 people actually 'contribute' to Ubuntu-UK, > > maybe only 44 people saw the mail) and if it isn't, look at ways to > > improve that. > > > > Further mails to follow. > > > > Many thanks > > Al. > > > > > Congratulations, a well deserved choice. > > Ron > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- Matthew G Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
Alan Pope wrote: > According to this:- > > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact > > Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have "won" the post of "Point > of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team". > > Yay! (I think). > > Firstly I'd like to thank Nik Butler for all his hard work herding sheep > over the last 18 months or so. I wish him all the best with his > endeavours outside Ubuntu-UK and of course as with anyone he's welcome > to continue contributing to the team where time permits. > > Some things I'd like to say in brief. > > * It was a close result so clearly there are people who relate to the > "pitch" that others gave. As such I would very much like to call on the > skills of those people who put forward suggestions to help develop and > deliver on those ideas. > > * Not many people voted (44 out of a possible 260+). Possibly down to > the accelerated schedule we set up for the vote, voter apathy or maybe > something else. We need to look at whether that number is fair and > representative (maybe only 44 people actually 'contribute' to Ubuntu-UK, > maybe only 44 people saw the mail) and if it isn't, look at ways to > improve that. > > Further mails to follow. > > Many thanks > Al. > > Congratulations, a well deserved choice. Ron -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.
On 30/09/2007, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > According to this:- > > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact > > Some people voted and by a nose I seem to have "won" the post of "Point > of Contact for the Ubuntu-UK LoCo Team". > > Yay! (I think). > > Firstly I'd like to thank Nik Butler for all his hard work herding sheep > over the last 18 months or so. I wish him all the best with his > endeavours outside Ubuntu-UK and of course as with anyone he's welcome > to continue contributing to the team where time permits. > > Some things I'd like to say in brief. > > * It was a close result so clearly there are people who relate to the > "pitch" that others gave. As such I would very much like to call on the > skills of those people who put forward suggestions to help develop and > deliver on those ideas. > > * Not many people voted (44 out of a possible 260+). Possibly down to > the accelerated schedule we set up for the vote, voter apathy or maybe > something else. We need to look at whether that number is fair and > representative (maybe only 44 people actually 'contribute' to Ubuntu-UK, > maybe only 44 people saw the mail) and if it isn't, look at ways to > improve that. > > Further mails to follow. > > Many thanks > Al. > > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > > > Congratulations, I'm sure you'll do a fantastic job! Phil/. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
