Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 10 - Still a disaster zone.
On 02/08/15 19:24, Gareth France wrote: Today I have upgraded a family member's laptop from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10. I had Windows7 on a removable drive in a caddy on my desktop. A couple of days ago, I downloaded the Win 10 iso and did the free upgrade. the install process is painfully slow - but it worked. I was surprised MS allowed me to do it! Windows 10 itself is much much better than I expected. I haven't tried to install anything - if I did, I doubt I'd use the 'shop'. Next time I fire it up, I'll try installing something. Going from Win 7 to Win 10 changes the reg. number - and Microsoft doesn't make it easy to retrieve it. It's in the registry with the characters written in Ascii-hex. I think I got mine back OK, but I will try one of the downloadable apps that get it back, next time I fire Windows up (not for a few months, hopefully!). Back on topic, I am delighted that Wine now installs and works properly in Wily. I have been using Mint for a while, and am glad to be back with Ubuntu at last! Regards,Barry. -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 10 - Still a disaster zone.
On 02/08/15 21:07, Barry Drake wrote: I had Windows7 on a removable drive in a caddy on my desktop. A couple of days ago, I downloaded the Win 10 iso and did the free upgrade. the install process is painfully slow - but it worked. I was surprised MS allowed me to do it! Windows 10 itself is much much better than I expected. I haven't tried to install anything - if I did, I doubt I'd use the 'shop'. Next time I fire it up, I'll try installing something. Going from Win 7 to Win 10 changes the reg. number - and Microsoft doesn't make it easy to retrieve it. It's in the registry with the characters written in Ascii-hex. I think I got mine back OK, but I will try one of the downloadable apps that get it back, next time I fire Windows up (not for a few months, hopefully!). Back on topic, I am delighted that Wine now installs and works properly in Wily. I have been using Mint for a while, and am glad to be back with Ubuntu at last! Regards,Barry. The feeling I get when using Windows is very much that I am using a product still designed to be installed off floppy disk with many patches bringing it into the 21st century like some sort of software jenga! Linux comes across as having sat down at some point and said 'ok, we need to integrate this internet thing' and because the whole workflow has been considered the solution is much, much more sane, elegant and painless. Yes, on first glance Win 10 seems to be better than 8 but it's still so painfully slow. The win 8 machines I have seen are all unusable, my old laptop I retired runs quicker! I don't think this is going to win any hearts, it still suffers from all the same bugs I have been complaining about since win 95! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows?
On 22/01/15 13:52, Barry Drake wrote: On 22/01/15 13:43, Dave Morley wrote: Why would it mention Linux it is a report on the Windows 10 tech review launch yesterday Because it mentions Google Chrome and Android - both of which are non-Windows operating systems (and both of which are Linux based). I think that is an important point. The Word Linux, though it is holy in my spirit, is not a positive part of the popular general consciousness. Magazines of a type which cover Windows stuff may also have a Linux section but it is geek-ified such that most Windows users continue to feel justified in recoiling in horror, as they are encouraged to do by the Windows retail ecosystem. Quite naturally, real geeks who use and love Linux based systems, support and buy specialised Linux magazines. These are also alongside Windows magazines on many big book stores. Their presence further justifies, to the 'helpless' Windows user, that 'Linux' is a particular specialist culture. In one sense it is. It is also a Kernel. It is also defended as the Name of an operating system. It is also in my life as the *basis* of several operating systems, Android, Chromebook, and not least (!) Ubuntu. An element of vagueness, an element of heady earnest discussion of 'differences', and the existence of well funded powerful opposition, all, unfortunately, sustain a popular meme that 'Linux' is not for most normal people. In a public scenario, I use the 'U' word a lot, not the 'L' word. -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows?
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 13:00:25 + Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote: Hi there I quite like this: http://view.email.telegraph.co.uk/?j=fe8917787060077572m=fe991570766c027975ls=fe1d1d70766c0d7f7d1176l=ff051570746503s=fe1b15767067037a7c1c76jb=ff991674ju=fe2615747c610774741c71r=0 Pity it doesn't mention Linux though. Regards,Barry. Why would it mention Linux it is a report on the Windows 10 tech review launch yesterday -- You Make It, I'll Break It! I Love My Job :) http://www.canonical.com http://www.ubuntu.com signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows?
On 22/01/15 13:43, Dave Morley wrote: Why would it mention Linux it is a report on the Windows 10 tech review launch yesterday Because it mentions Google Chrome and Android - both of which are non-Windows operating systems (and both of which are Linux based). Regards,Barry. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
On 30/01/14 21:21, Barry Drake wrote: Microsoft has been forced into supporting ODF and is clearly very annoyed by this. A little humility and listening to ordinary folk might have gone a long way. Humility seems to be in short supply in Redmond; here is a quote about ODF standards from a moderator on an official MS support site:- .odt is the old open standard file format that was used before the current Office Open XML standard was implemented. Microsoft began adopting the standard in 2003, but in Office 2007 and Office 2008 adopted the Office Open XML file format as the default format. Ironically, most forks of OpenOffice do not support the current Office Open XML standard format. They cling to the decades old standard and refuse to abandon it. However, there is one fork of OpenOffice that*does*support the current standard. It is called_*LibreOffice*_ http://www.libreoffice.org/download. LibreOffice is the only fork of OpenOffice that should be used. Have the person who sent that ancient file to you update to the current version of LibreOffice so they can make files in standard format. In LibreOffice preferences there is a setting that tells LibreOffice to use the Office Open XML file format as the default. This setting should be enabled. Once your correspondent joins the 21st century and gets rid of their ancient software, he or she will be able to share files with the _*rest of the world*_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML_software#Word_processors. Wikipedia misleadingly labels the Office Open XML format a Microsoft format. The format is an international standard proposed by Microsoft and then adopted by a standards body representing many interests http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/mac/forum/macoffice2008-macword/can-word-open-a-odt-file/0b76ee36-a236-4a45-ace4-b145a5b2026f This is clearly the latest form of FUD for the fight against open source. The moderator repeatedly talks of OOXML replacing ODF as the international standard. Thankfully someone at the Cabinet Office has seen through this. There is also the point that trying to open an ODT file in MS Office prompts a message suggesting that file may be corrupt or contain unreadable elements. This cleverly plants the idea in the MS user's mind that ODF files are in some way dodgy or of dubious quality. This is clever, but dirty, marketing tactics. MS are in business to make profits, not to encourage, or co-operate with, the opposition. They are not going to give up without a fight. Regards, Barry T -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
There is also the point that trying to open an ODT file in MS Office prompts a message suggesting that file may be corrupt or contain unreadable elements. This cleverly plants the idea in the MS user's mind that ODF files are in some way dodgy or of dubious quality. This is clever, but dirty, marketing tactics. This bit annoys me so much because it defaults to not open the file. Every time I check that odf files opens with mso2010 send it and I get the message back saying 'it won't open it' . This is because people don't read the warning or just click cancel to everything (because that is what windows users are used to error messages). -- Enviado desde mi teléfono con K-9 Mail. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
On 30/01/14 21:04, Gibbs wrote: The only files I've ever encountered which I couldn't handle were a few Microsoft Publisher .pub Pub files are a right pain in the neck. I had a colleague once who did EVERYTHING in Publisher - and as we all know, the ONLY app that will open pub files is Publisher! G -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
On 29/01/14 21:03, Barry Drake wrote: Hi there ... A couple of weeks ago, I did a BIOS (UEFI) update as requested after reporting a bug. The result was that an installation of Windows 7 which I had on a removable drive died completely and I lost it. How unstable Windows can be at times like this! When I looked at my very rare need for Windows, I found that I only have occasional need to use Microsoft Word to open a docx file which is heavily formatted and shows complete garbage in Libreoffice, and for the very occasional publisher file I am sent. I have now successfully installed Word and Publisher under Wine and assume I will never need to boot Windows again. Oh, thank you Barry Drake. Congratulations Barry! I am surprised you could hold out so long! I said good bye to Windows years ago now and I actually think my health improved! Yes, really. -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
On 30/01/14 11:20, alan c wrote: Congratulations Barry! I am surprised you could hold out so long! I said good bye to Windows years ago now and I actually think my health improved! Yes, really. Hi Alan .. One thing I have to use a Windows program for is to visit my local e-library. I have to have Adobe Digital Editions to download the e-books. Fortunately, Wine does a great job with ADE, and now I know it works with MSWord and MSPub as well I can get rid of the extreme annoyance of waiting an hour for Windows to update before I can get back into Ubuntu. Wine seems to be a lot more versatile than it used to be. I've also been looking at the Open Documents thread. I think it was the last time we met, at a government consultation about this issue. Government grinds very slowly Schools are still teaching Microsoft BUT with kids using Android tablets things are going to have to change in that area. I suspect that Kingsoft Office will be the main contender as it is compatible with MS file formats. I'm delighted with the way in which the IT world is changing. Regards,Barry. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
On 30/01/14 16:07, Barry Drake wrote: I've also been looking at the Open Documents thread. I think it was the last time we met, at a government consultation about this issue. Government grinds very slowly Schools are still teaching Microsoft BUT with kids using Android tablets things are going to have to change in that area. I suspect that Kingsoft Office will be the main contender as it is compatible with MS file formats. I'm delighted with the way in which the IT world is changing. Unfortunately there is still no Android version of Libre/Open Office - there is one for Ipad, which is odd, and there's an ODF viewer, but Kingsoft Office can't open ODF documents -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
On 30 Jan 2014 16:07, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote: Schools are still teaching Microsoft This is changing. Slowly, but it's changing. J -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
Hi! Y'know the comical thing is: when I read the subject line I had a sudden vision of Microsoft finally giving in and going open-source! ;-) On 30/01/14 16:15, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 30/01/14 16:07, Barry Drake wrote: I've also been looking at the Open Documents thread. I think it was the last time we met, at a government consultation about this issue. Government grinds very slowly Schools are still teaching Microsoft BUT with kids using Android tablets things are going to have to change in that area. I suspect that Kingsoft Office will be the main contender as it is compatible with MS file formats. I'm delighted with the way in which the IT world is changing. Unfortunately there is still no Android version of Libre/Open Office - there is one for Ipad, which is odd, and there's an ODF viewer, but Kingsoft Office can't open ODF documents -- Beatrix E. Groves BA Hons (Educ) FAETC LCGI MAPTT MIFL QTLS अध्यापिका Former President, Institute for Learning (IfL) General Secretary, Association of Part-Time Tutors (APTT) Ambassador, Workers' Educational Association (WEA) Deputy Chairperson, HealthWatch North Tyneside Director, Time to Change NE CiC ~~ Email: beagro...@gmail.com Email: b...@beagroves.net Web:http://www.beagroves.net Blog: http://beagroves.tumblr.com Wall: http://padlet.com/wall/beagroves About: http://about.me/beagroves ~~ Bea's Boggling Quote of the Day (chosen randomly by her computer) - Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire. (William Butler Yeats) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
Within schools I think it is important to remember that Microsoft has been outdoing itself to bring educational establishments into migrating to Office365, which when you have Office 2013 and Windows 7 and above is great. It's just not so good with everything else (as the IMAP thread on this list goes to show). Within Office365 you get all exchange email, skydrive (aka Sharepoint w/ a document library) and directory services for the organisation via EWS. Plus you don't need to worry about dealing with it yourself because it's all outsourced, as opposed to before where Exchange took an entire HP Blade server, using 16GB of RAM and still running a bit slowly! Some part of migration is the UI - LibreOffice 4.2 has just come out and the screenshots at OMG! Ubuntu look pretty nice. I think the slickness of the application is important. I myself maintain a Windows 7 installation on another partition, but only use it sometimes, basically just to redeem iTunes vouchers I get given. As for comparing LibreOffice to MS Office, I think MS Office, with the obvious aside of not being free in either sense, is a superior product (I just don't regularly need all its advanced features like References). I read somewhere that IBM? are producing a font that is compatible with Calibri, which will be very useful when trying to make sense of documents sent to me! I would also suggest that it is important to remain familiar with different operating systems, such as Ubuntu, Windows or Mac OS because you could need to use them at some point. I know from my own experience that I prefer Ubuntu, but that doesn't mean that Win7 isn't a great OS too! (Gone are the crashes of Windows XP and Vista for now!) To go back to iTunes, I do need to keep Windows just for that at the moment, though I will likely find some other reason to eventually. Apple aren't going to support iTunes for Linux any time soon, and I think it's them who are less resistant to change than Microsoft. Despite what we've heard from Microsoft in the past (ie 7 years ago), more recently they have started to not only acknowledge but actively support Linux users, particularly with web products (compare OWA 2007 with OWA 2010 and 2013). Apple still maintains a furious pretence worthy of the Dursleys that Linux is unimportant and/or doesn't exist. Schools are coming round to install software that isn't necessarily Microsoft or the de facto (£600+ per user) software). To give an example, whilst I was still in secondary school I persuaded the Music department to install Musescore 1.1 alongside Sibelius 4. Musescore crashed less with the old Sibelius 4, but the school could not at that time afford to update to Sibelius 6 (which was latest at that time). They have now installed Sibelius 7 alongside MuseScore, so students still have the choice. Those going on to study A-level music will most likely already have Sibelius at home so use it (and why not!), but at GCSE level MuseScore was proved and should continue to be proved useful so students can experiment at home without forking out for a Sibelius license (currently £459.95). So in that way, as students switch at home and let people know about it at school, if the staff in the department can be persuaded to like it, then they can go up to IT Support and insist upon it being installed. (Incidentally, I myself introduced the Technology department to FreeMind when I did my GCSE Electronics and they got that installed in their department because they saw how useful it was). What I wouldn't encourage is what I'm told happened a few years ago, is some students went round installing Ubuntu over workstations. Obviously that just wastes time for IT Support who are usually too busy anyway without having to deal with jokers. I think I've said enough here; I may need a hardback book if I'm to carry on - sorry if my ramblings are a bit disjointed but I think I've covered everything. Kind Regards, John Oliver -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
On 30/01/14 16:34, Bea Groves wrote: Y'know the comical thing is: when I read the subject line I had a sudden vision of Microsoft finally giving in and going open-source! ;-) Nice one! Oh, but if they do that folk might find out that bits of their code are tortuous and outdated Although I'm sure that couldn't be true ... Regards,Barry. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
On 29/01/14 21:03, Barry Drake wrote: When I looked at my very rare need for Windows, I found that I only have occasional need to use Microsoft Word to open a docx file which is heavily formatted and shows complete garbage in Libreoffice, and for the very occasional publisher file I am sent. I have now successfully installed Word and Publisher under Wine and assume I will never need to boot Windows again. Oh, thank you I had this impression at work. I *tried* to get along with Windows but about 3-4 years ago I got fed up and knew Ubuntu 10.04 LTS would be a much more efficient work environment (which it was). The only files I've ever encountered which I couldn't handle were a few Microsoft Publisher .pub and complex Photoshop files. I send them back or at worst get someone in the office to deal with them. I've noticed a lot more people using Libre Office, including big companies like British Gas, which makes life easier for /everyone/. Gibbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
On 30/01/14 21:04, Gibbs wrote: I've noticed a lot more people using Libre Office, including big companies like British Gas, which makes life easier for /everyone/. Now that is interesting! Not so many years back, there was a deep suspicion of open source programs. It is excellent complex systems like Libreoffice that have paved the way towards widespread acceptance of open source. Also, it is becoming recognised that ODF is a certified ISO standard, whereas the de facto Microsoft file formats are less reliable and non-portable. I am sure that Microsoft's adoption of the x file formats (docx etc) has in the long term done the corporation a lot of harm. Microsoft has been forced into supporting ODF and is clearly very annoyed by this. A little humility and listening to ordinary folk might have gone a long way. Regards,Barry Drake. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
On 30 de enero de 2014 21:21:18 GMT, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote: On 30/01/14 21:04, Gibbs wrote: I've noticed a lot more people using Libre Office, including big companies like British Gas, which makes life easier for /everyone/. Now that is interesting! Not so many years back, there was a deep suspicion of open source programs. It is excellent complex systems like Libreoffice that have paved the way towards widespread acceptance of open source. Also, it is becoming recognised that ODF is a certified ISO standard, whereas the de facto Microsoft file formats are less reliable and non-portable. I am sure that Microsoft's adoption of the x file formats (docx etc) has in the long term done the corporation a lot of harm. Microsoft has been forced into supporting ODF and is clearly very annoyed by this. A little humility and listening to ordinary folk might have gone a long way. Regards,Barry Drake. What would be nice if calc was as good as gnumeric. Last papers I checked /recalled gnumeric was a better at the math. [1] maybe some of you have more up to date reviews? [1] http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1198/tas.2011.09076#.UurIgbgWWKA -- Enviado desde mi teléfono con K-9 Mail. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
On 30 January 2014 16:34, Bea Groves beagro...@gmail.com wrote: Y'know the comical thing is: when I read the subject line I had a sudden vision of Microsoft finally giving in and going open-source! ;-) Well, quite. It should have said Windows-free at last! The missing hyphen changes the meaning. With a hyphen: Someone or something is finally free of Windows Without a hyphen: Windows is finally free! But nobody respects punctuation any more... :-( I was misled by the subject line because there is some debate that, following Apple's recent lead (and the late Sun's earlier move, before its hostile acquisition by Oracle) of making their OSes small-f free - as in, free of charge, gratis - that MICROS~1 might do the same with Windows 9. -- Liam Proven * Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk * GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com * Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 * Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows free at last!
On 29 January 2014 21:03, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote: Hi there ... A couple of weeks ago, I did a BIOS (UEFI) update as requested after reporting a bug. The result was that an installation of Windows 7 which I had on a removable drive died completely and I lost it. How unstable Windows can be at times like this! When I looked at my very rare need for Windows, I found that I only have occasional need to use Microsoft Word to open a docx file which is heavily formatted and shows complete garbage in Libreoffice, and for the very occasional publisher file I am sent. I have now successfully installed Word and Publisher under Wine and assume I will never need to boot Windows again. Oh, thank you Barry Drake. Free at last, free at last, we are Windows-free at last. You might also want to check out Kingsoft Office Linux. It's not as fully-featured as Word or Libreoffice yet, but it opens and edits Word, Excel and Powerpoint documents pretty much flawlessly (though it doesn't do stuff like conditional formatting yet). It's a good backup when LibreOffice chokes. http://wps-community.org/ Jonathon - - -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
My friend in Denmark has now got her Ubuntu. The main thing was, she had to re-make the stick; she had made it wrongly in some respect, the first time. It is not clear yet whether she managed the successful installation without having disabled all the security features in the BIOS or not. If she did, it says wonders for the 12.10 64-bit package, that it can really do all that by itself. I shall try to get an unambiguous yes or no from her on this. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 19/02/13 17:14, Rowan Berkeley wrote: My friend in Denmark has now got her Ubuntu. The main thing was, she had to re-make the stick; she had made it wrongly in some respect, the first time. It is not clear yet whether she managed the successful installation without having disabled all the security features in the BIOS or not. If she did, it says wonders for the 12.10 64-bit package, that it can really do all that by itself. I shall try to get an unambiguous yes or no from her on this. 64bit Ubuntu 12.10 can install itself on a modern machine with all the security (lol) features enabled. it's supposed to do that. If she created the USB stick wrong that is probably the reason it didn't work. Although I don't really understand how you can install from an incorrectly made stick. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 19/02/13 17:40, Gareth France wrote: On 19/02/13 17:14, Rowan Berkeley wrote: My friend in Denmark has now got her Ubuntu. The main thing was, she had to re-make the stick; she had made it wrongly in some respect, the first time. It is not clear yet whether she managed the successful installation without having disabled all the security features in the BIOS or not. If she did, it says wonders for the 12.10 64-bit package, that it can really do all that by itself. I shall try to get an unambiguous yes or no from her on this. 64bit Ubuntu 12.10 can install itself on a modern machine with all the security (lol) features enabled. it's supposed to do that. If she created the USB stick wrong that is probably the reason it didn't work. Although I don't really understand how you can install from an incorrectly made stick. Yeah, I'm saying she had to make the stick again. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 15/02/13 17:43, Alan Pope wrote: On 15/02/13 17:40, Rowan Berkeley wrote: He says: Windows 8 hardware uses the UEFI replacement for the traditional BIOS, like Macs do. Some solid-state drive-equipped Windows 8 PCs boot so fast that you’d only have a 200 millisecond (that’s 0.2 seconds) window of opportunity to press the key combination. That's daft. You hold the key down then press the power button. No magic. Cheers, this is specifically why grub uses shift as the interupt key, it is one of the few keys that the BIOS or equivalent won't complain about if it is pressed down on bootup. You can press and hold shift and restart and get to the grub menu. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 18/02/13 22:39, Alan Bell wrote: On 15/02/13 17:43, Alan Pope wrote: On 15/02/13 17:40, Rowan Berkeley wrote: He says: Windows 8 hardware uses the UEFI replacement for the traditional BIOS, like Macs do. Some solid-state drive-equipped Windows 8 PCs boot so fast that you’d only have a 200 millisecond (that’s 0.2 seconds) window of opportunity to press the key combination. That's daft. You hold the key down then press the power button. No magic. Cheers, this is specifically why grub uses shift as the interupt key, it is one of the few keys that the BIOS or equivalent won't complain about if it is pressed down on bootup. You can press and hold shift and restart and get to the grub menu. The author of that dicouraging claim (about the 200 millisconds) is Christian Cawley, who says he is a freelance writer from the UK with seven years' experience in technical support across a range of device platforms and operating systems. I think I've almost got my friend in Denmark sorted out. We've reached the stage where I exasperatedly tell her that she isn't answering my important questions, no matter how many times I pose them. But The Goal is within sight. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
My friend in Denmark has finally got into the BIOS on her Fujitsu machine (the one on she installed Ubuntu to replace Windows 8 without making the necessary alterations in the BIOS settings first), by hitting F2 when she sees the Fujitsu logo. She has sent me a series of photos of the screens. It seems that she made a USB stick on her old Windows machine, using the special application recommended for doing this on a Windows machine, and installed Ubuntu 12.10 on the new machine using that. There are six photos of the successive BIOS screens. The BIOS is called Phoenix SecureCore Tiano Setup. The six screens it offers are called Info, System, Advanced, Security, Boot and Exit. Here are descriptions of what they show. (1) There is no photo for the first one, Info. (2) System shows System Time, System Date, and Drive Configurations, this last with an unopened sub-menu. (3) Advanced shows Fast Boot enabled (I have told her to disable this), CSM disabled, PXE Boot Protocol IPv4, Legacy USB Support enabled, Anytime USB Charge disabled, Serial ATA Controller enabled, AHCI Configuration enabled, Internal Camera enabled, USB3.0 Controller enabled, Virtualization Technology enabled, Wake Up on LAN disabled, FAN Control silent, ODD Power Management enabled, Intel (R) AT Suspend Mode disabled. (4) Security shows Supervisor Password is clear, User Password is clear, Set Supervisor Password [Enter], Set User Password [Enter], Password on Boot disabled, Hard Disk Security has an unopened sub-menu, and Secure Boot Configurations has an unopened sub-menu. I have told her to open this last and disable any and all secure boot options therein. (5) Boot shows a puzzling Boot Priority Order: 1. Windows Boot Manager 2. Floppy Disk Drive: 3. Drive0 HDD: 4. CD/DVD Drive: (spec omitted) 5. NETWORK: LAN (some hex code omitted) - IPv4 6. USB HDD 7. USB CD/DVD: 8. ubuntu Obviously the question is what the hell is 'ubuntu' (no cap, just as shown. I hazard it is the name she gave to the USB stick, which the system has now interpreted as a bootable device. My first suggestion was that she move this to the top of the boot order, but on second thoughts I decided it didn't sound like a legitimate bootable device, so I suggested she move DRIVE0 HDD: to the top of the list. As things stand now, when she exits the system goes to a Windows Boot Manager page with no usable options on it. (6) Exit is the normal Exit screen, with Exit Saving Changes, Exit Discarding Changes, Load Setup Defaults, Discard Changes, Save Changes, and Save Changes and Power Off. The four other photos she has sent me are as follows: (1) A Windows screen of the contents of the USB stick, as viewed with the file browser on her old Windows machine. AFAIK, the stick is normal. (2) The contents of the Boot Menu, which are: 1. ubuntu (highlighted) 2. Windows Boot Manager 3. CD/DVD Drive (spec omitted) 4. NETWORK: LAN ((hex code omitted) - IPv4 (3) The contents of the Applications Menu, which are: 1. BIOS Setup (highlighted) 2. Diagnostic Screen (4) A small warning window which says Warning Bootable device not found [CONTINUE]. At the bottom of the screen, outside this little warning window, are the options [Enter], Select, Boot, Menu. So, I have told her to disable Fast Boot in the Advanced tab, and any Secure Boot options in the Secure Boot Configurations sub-menu of the Security tab, and to move either 'ubuntu' or DRIVE0 HDD: to the top of the Boot Priority Order (I'm not sure which). But what is 'ubuntu' with a small 'u', and what should the correct Boot Priority Order and Boot Menu orders be? BTW, messages don't archive as items in a continuous thread unless they are direct replies to previous messages in the thread, even if the Subject line is exactly identical. Is there any way round this? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
I managed to get back in touch with my luckless friend in Denmark. She said she was thinking of installing Windows 7 on the machine, which she thought would give her access to BIOS. I replied as below. Comments and corrections will be welcome, since after all I know very little. Windows 7 won't solve the problem, because it won't give you access to UEFI. Windows 8 is not just software; it is also the PROM chips that contain the start-up sequence, which is UEFI. You are stuck with those PROM chips permanently, so I think you will have to go for dual boot rather than replacing Windows 8 with Ubuntu, otherwise you'll never be able to get to the start-up settings, which are in UEFI and are only accessible from inside Windows 8. That's the way they've designed it. Therefore, you must: (1) Reinstall Windows 8, and you shouldn't have to pay for this. There should be a disk or stick or even an online package to reinstall Windows 8, where you just type in your license key number. (2) Learn how to access UEFI from inside Windows 8, following these instructions: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ (3) Install Ubuntu 64-bit 12.10 alongside, not instead of, Windows 8. (4) Once Ubuntu 64-bit 12.10 is installed (which you already know you can do), then begin to experiment with UEFI settings, starting with Secure Boot, until you manage to get Ubuntu booting. You may need to make further changes in UEFI before Ubuntu will boot. All these experiments will require that you can boot Windows 8 repeatedly, enter UEFI from inside Windows 8, change things in UEFI, then try again to boot Ubuntu, and so on until successful. And you will require access to UEFI for other reasons, from time to time, even when Ubuntu is working. So you must choose dual boot, and have both systems alongside each other. You see? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 15/02/13 13:50, Rowan Berkeley wrote: I managed to get back in touch with my luckless friend in Denmark. She said she was thinking of installing Windows 7 on the machine, which she thought would give her access to BIOS. I replied as below. Comments and corrections will be welcome, since after all I know very little. I've been following this thread with interest. Last week, I took delivery of my new desktop from pcspecialist. It was my first experience of UEFI. As the ASUS motherboard is not intended for Windows specifically, it does allow access to the UEFI configuration screen by pressing the DEL key and it gives plenty of time for this to be done. Secure boot can be on or off, and it will try UEFI before using a legacy BIOS. Once I was told that my problem was due to the video driver and not the UEFI I found that Ubuntu would boot OK using the UEFI defaults. My first install of 13.04 needed a LAN driver so I had to build the module. Two kernels later, and support for the LAN chipset is built in! Curiously, the video driver from AMD shows an 'Unsupported Hardware' message in the bottom right. 12.10 seems to offer the same proprietary driver, but doesn't come up with the message. However, 12.10 needs me to build the LAN module. I guess that the only safe way forward is to purchase only equipment that is supplied with no OS or with Ubuntu pre-installed. pcspecialist inform me that all their MOBOs have the ability to turn off secure boot as far as they are aware. Regards,Barry -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
Thanks for all that, Alan. So, concretely, let's take for instance the Compaq machine which I successfully converted from Windows 8 to Ubuntu 12.10 using a USB stick. Given that F2 no longer works, and that the Windows 8 machinery for getting into UEFI us no longer there, how in fact would I get into UEFI on that machine if for some reason I needed to? The answer is, install Boot-Repair from repositories: https://help.ubuntu.com/**community/Boot-Repairhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair I don't understand this whole 'F2 no longer works' thing. Bios was accessed through a wide array of keys depending on who made the machine. Del, CTRL+S, F1, F2, CTRL+ESC and the list goes on. Surely UEFI is accessed in exactly the same manner isn't it? I'm geting lost on this F2 no longer works as well. Did F2 work when Windows 8 was on it? If it did, what did it show? Anything to do with UEFI/Secure Boot? -- Regards, Andy -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 15/02/13 17:31, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Thanks for all that, Alan. So, concretely, let's take for instance the Compaq machine which I successfully converted from Windows 8 to Ubuntu 12.10 using a USB stick. Given that F2 no longer works, and that the Windows 8 machinery for getting into UEFI us no longer there, how in fact would I get into UEFI on that machine if for some reason I needed to? The answer is, install Boot-Repair from repositories: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair F2 isn't a universal BIOS hot-key. It may be some other key, often F10 on Compaq machines. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 15/02/13 17:40, Rowan Berkeley wrote: He says: Windows 8 hardware uses the UEFI replacement for the traditional BIOS, like Macs do. Some solid-state drive-equipped Windows 8 PCs boot so fast that you’d only have a 200 millisecond (that’s 0.2 seconds) window of opportunity to press the key combination. That's daft. You hold the key down then press the power button. No magic. Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 15/02/13 17:40, Alan Pope wrote: On 15/02/13 17:31, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Thanks for all that, Alan. So, concretely, let's take for instance the Compaq machine which I successfully converted from Windows 8 to Ubuntu 12.10 using a USB stick. Given that F2 no longer works, and that the Windows 8 machinery for getting into UEFI us no longer there, how in fact would I get into UEFI on that machine if for some reason I needed to? The answer is, install Boot-Repair from repositories: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair F2 isn't a universal BIOS hot-key. It may be some other key, often F10 on Compaq machines. Cheers, Quite right, Alan, it's easy if you know it's F10, and just hold it down during start-up. This is the same Compaq CQ58 I bought with Windows 8, then installed Ubuntu via a USB stick a couple of months back, then had some trouble installing a wireless driver just a couple of weeks ago. It's a perfectly normal BIOS facility, once you know how to get into it. But of course it isn't me who is up the creek without a paddle, it's my friend in Denmark, and I have emailed various extracts from this thread to her and suggested she join the list, I know Denmark isn't in the UK, but this would be the best place for her to find answers to her problem, wouldn't it. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 15/02/13 18:47, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 15/02/13 17:40, Alan Pope wrote: On 15/02/13 17:31, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Thanks for all that, Alan. So, concretely, let's take for instance the Compaq machine which I successfully converted from Windows 8 to Ubuntu 12.10 using a USB stick. Given that F2 no longer works, and that the Windows 8 machinery for getting into UEFI us no longer there, how in fact would I get into UEFI on that machine if for some reason I needed to? The answer is, install Boot-Repair from repositories: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair F2 isn't a universal BIOS hot-key. It may be some other key, often F10 on Compaq machines. Cheers, Quite right, Alan, it's easy if you know it's F10, and just hold it down during start-up. Just for the record, I didn't know it was F10. I googled it. http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixtheproblem/a/biosaccess_pc.htm Cheers, -- Alan Pope Engineering Manager Canonical - Product Strategy +44 (0) 7973 620 164 alan.p...@canonical.com http://ubuntu.com/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 14/02/13 17:57, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hi, An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because Secure Boot in the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the installation direct from the website would have worked if she had switched off Secure Boot first, as I told her she had to do. The apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there? Before anyone says, Can't she get into it by pressing F2 during start-up?, the answer is no: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/02/13 18:12, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 14/02/13 17:57, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hi, An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because Secure Boot in the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the installation direct from the website would have worked if she had switched off Secure Boot first, as I told her she had to do. The apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there? Before anyone says, Can't she get into it by pressing F2 during start-up?, the answer is no: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ 64bit quantal + at that - -- You make it, I'll break it! I love my job :) http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.canonical.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlEdLPwACgkQT5xqyT+h3OgcRwCeLDLLD7QCEJpjiSvMM8Uia/R0 8pEAn3HOfaAGbDmhOzwSAPqORKvcYcKe =7vo3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/02/13 18:12, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 14/02/13 17:57, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hi, An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because Secure Boot in the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the installation direct from the website would have worked if she had switched off Secure Boot first, as I told her she had to do. The apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there? Before anyone says, Can't she get into it by pressing F2 during start-up?, the answer is no: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ Did she install 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu, Secure boot is only available on 64bit - -- You make it, I'll break it! I love my job :) http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.canonical.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlEdLOkACgkQT5xqyT+h3Oh6lgCdEunPLHt2tSpBx87kIOZoyyOP I00AoMnkpF74fqx8NaWH2BxYIWKI+hS1 =34UD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 14/02/13 18:28, Dave Morley wrote: On 14/02/13 18:12, Rowan Berkeley wrote: An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because Secure Boot in the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the installation direct from the website would have worked if she had switched off Secure Boot first, as I told her she had to do. The apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there? Before anyone says, Can't she get into it by pressing F2 during start-up?, the answer is no: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ Did she install 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu, Secure boot is only available on 64bit. 64bit quantal + at that, I understand what you're saying; Only 64-bit Quantal has the license key built into it which will cause UEFI to allow the Ubuntu package to install itself. I don't have this girl online. I dare say she will respond to my suggestions and enquiries in a day or two. I know she confirmed that the machine she was buying had a 64-bit architecture, because up to that point she was following my instructions. I think that she attempted to install 64-bit Quantal direct from the Ubuntu website, but failed to switch off Secure Boot in UEFI beforehand, which should have been done from inside Windows 8, this being the way Microsoft (damn them) have built it. Thus, the installation proceeded correctly, the license key having served its function of getting UEFI to allow the installation to occur. She chose the option of replacing Windows rather than the option of dual boot (another indication of how foolhardy she is, bless her). Thus, Ubuntu Quantal is in fact installed on the machine. But the UEFI boot architecture does not contain the traditional point of access by pressing F2 during start-up, so there is no way for her now to access it and switch off Secure Boot. So the Ubuntu Quantal can't boot, and she's stuck with a GRUB screen telling her so. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/02/13 19:24, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 14/02/13 18:28, Dave Morley wrote: On 14/02/13 18:12, Rowan Berkeley wrote: An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because Secure Boot in the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the installation direct from the website would have worked if she had switched off Secure Boot first, as I told her she had to do. The apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there? Before anyone says, Can't she get into it by pressing F2 during start-up?, the answer is no: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ Did she install 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu, Secure boot is only available on 64bit. 64bit quantal + at that, I understand what you're saying; Only 64-bit Quantal has the license key built into it which will cause UEFI to allow the Ubuntu package to install itself. I don't have this girl online. I dare say she will respond to my suggestions and enquiries in a day or two. I know she confirmed that the machine she was buying had a 64-bit architecture, because up to that point she was following my instructions. I think that she attempted to install 64-bit Quantal direct from the Ubuntu website, but failed to switch off Secure Boot in UEFI beforehand, which should have been done from inside Windows 8, this being the way Microsoft (damn them) have built it. Thus, the installation proceeded correctly, the license key having served its function of getting UEFI to allow the installation to occur. She chose the option of replacing Windows rather than the option of dual boot (another indication of how foolhardy she is, bless her). Thus, Ubuntu Quantal is in fact installed on the machine. But the UEFI boot architecture does not contain the traditional point of access by pressing F2 during start-up, so there is no way for her now to access it and switch off Secure Boot. So the Ubuntu Quantal can't boot, and she's stuck with a GRUB screen telling her so. No you can access the UEFI it just might not be F2. You can turn off secure boot from the UEFI. But my point is you don't need too, with Quantal 64bit it is signed so it can install on a machine that has UEFI and Secureboot in place. By the way it still normally is F2 - -- You make it, I'll break it! I love my job :) http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.canonical.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlEdOykACgkQT5xqyT+h3OilxQCgmlYH3AROboQsV42l2EFPU7kq j+4AoI9r7WUWq8MfnZCHcrcCI2I86ZJs =Vuf3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 14/02/13 19:29, Dave Morley wrote: On 14/02/13 19:24, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 14/02/13 18:28, Dave Morley wrote: On 14/02/13 18:12, Rowan Berkeley wrote: An Internet friend of mine (in Denmark, so beyond my physical reach) just bought a brand new machine with Windows 8 on it and tried to install Ubuntu direct from the website, despite my detailed explanations and warnings about this. She now has no Windows 8 and no Ubuntu, just a GRUB screen telling her that Ubuntu can't boot because Secure Boot in the UEFI won't let it. It would be interesting to know whether the installation direct from the website would have worked if she had switched off Secure Boot first, as I told her she had to do. The apparent consensus is that it wouldn't: that only the USB stick method will work. There's no way into the UEFI from where she is, is there? Before anyone says, Can't she get into it by pressing F2 during start-up?, the answer is no: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-access-the-bios-on-a-windows-8-computer/ Did she install 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu? Secure boot is only available on 64bit. 64bit quantal + at that, I understand what you're saying; Only 64-bit Quantal has the license key built into it which will cause UEFI to allow the Ubuntu package to install itself. I don't have this girl online. I dare say she will respond to my suggestions and enquiries in a day or two. I know she confirmed that the machine she was buying had a 64-bit architecture, because up to that point she was following my instructions. I think that she attempted to install 64-bit Quantal direct from the Ubuntu website, but failed to switch off Secure Boot in UEFI beforehand, which should have been done from inside Windows 8, this being the way Microsoft (damn them) have built it. Thus, the installation proceeded correctly, the license key having served its function of getting UEFI to allow the installation to occur. She chose the option of replacing Windows rather than the option of dual boot (another indication of how foolhardy she is, bless her). Thus, Ubuntu Quantal is in fact installed on the machine. But the UEFI boot architecture does not contain the traditional point of access by pressing F2 during start-up, so there is no way for her now to access it and switch off Secure Boot. So the Ubuntu Quantal can't boot, and she's stuck with a GRUB screen telling her so. No, you can access the UEFI, it just might not be F2. You can turn off secure boot from the UEFI. But my point is you don't need too, with Quantal 64bit it is signed so it can install on a machine that has UEFI and Secureboot in place. By the way, it still normally is F2. Well, in her case it has got stuck in the way I have described. I've sent her an email to try and get her back in contact. Until I can relay your suggestions to her and get her responses, there isn't much more I can say. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
Oh my bad, I just assumed that it was as I'd just downloaded the Win7 32Bit ISO from Digital River, who Microsoft use for a lot of their big downloads, to dual boot a Netbook with Ubuntu. (It already had Win7 Starter on, but I broke it) If they do it for Win7 can't see an issue with XP. I assume the ISO download is no longer available as they have discontinued support of XP? They do provide the XP installation files for floppy, if that's any use to anyone anymore. Regards James - SJ Computers www.sj-computers.com Mob: 07951 237630 -Original Message- From: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Alan Pope Sent: 08 June 2010 16:15 To: UK Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD Hi James, On 5 June 2010 16:29, James - SJ Computers ja...@sj-computers.com wrote: I'm pretty sure that Microsoft don't have issues with the duplication of their disks. It's the licences that matter. After all, Microsoft even offer an option to download the ISO direct from them: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5fb-4488- 8c50-fe22559d164edisplaylang=en That's not an OS install ISO, it's merely a service pack packaged on an ISO image. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2925 - Release Date: 06/08/10 07:35:00 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
Hi All, I'm pretty sure that Microsoft don't have issues with the duplication of their disks. It's the licences that matter. After all, Microsoft even offer an option to download the ISO direct from them: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5fb-4488- 8c50-fe22559d164edisplaylang=en Just my two cents Regards James - SJ Computers www.sj-computers.com Mob: 07951 237630 From: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Verity Sent: 05 June 2010 13:14 To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD Hi Guys I would caution that just because Microsoft (or any other software supplier for that matter) says that a particular action constitutes a copyright infringement does not necessarily make it legally true. For the time being at least, the law of the land ultimately overrides a EULA. Nige No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2919 - Release Date: 06/05/10 07:25:00 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
Hi James, On 5 June 2010 16:29, James - SJ Computers ja...@sj-computers.com wrote: I'm pretty sure that Microsoft don't have issues with the duplication of their disks. It's the licences that matter. After all, Microsoft even offer an option to download the ISO direct from them: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164edisplaylang=en That's not an OS install ISO, it's merely a service pack packaged on an ISO image. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
Hi Guys I would caution that just because Microsoft (or any other software supplier for that matter) says that a particular action constitutes a copyright infringement does not necessarily make it legally true. For the time being at least, the law of the land ultimately overrides a EULA. Nige -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
On 04/06/10 17:47, Michael G Fletcher wrote: Hi Guys Haven't been on the list in ages! Hope everyone is well and enjoying 10.04 as much as I am :-) I'm trying to fix a Computer of a friend of mine and it has Windows XP Home edition on it. I only have a copy of Windows XP Professional. I'm desperately in need of a XP Home Edition CD. Does anybody have a copy of one floating around they could post to me? I have a product registration key on the bottom of his Laptop, but need the cd to repair his install. I would try convert him to Ubuntu, but he wasn't buying it :-( Cheers --Michael What make is his laptop? Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
What make is his laptop? Rob -- A Dell Inspiron 6000... trying to save his 38GB of music :-( I got it to the point where it loads the Welcome screen, but when I logon the user, it just automatically logs me out again. I can get into the safe-mode with command prompt, and tried to install SP3, but doesn't seem to want to install! Michael -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
On 04/06/10 19:11, Michael G Fletcher wrote: What make is his laptop? Rob A Dell Inspiron 6000... trying to save his 38GB of music :-( I got it to the point where it loads the Welcome screen, but when I logon the user, it just automatically logs me out again. I can get into the safe-mode with command prompt, and tried to install SP3, but doesn't seem to want to install! Michael You'll probably find that a standard Windows XP CD won't work (that is, an OEM copy of Windows XP). You'll need a specific Dell version which is tied to the Dell BIOS (funnily enough doing it this way any Dell Windows XP CD should work). If you e-mail me off list I might possibly be able to help. In the mean time, if he hasn't got an external hard drive, I'd suggest he gets one (I bought a 1TB Western Digital USB 2 hard drive yesterday from PC World for £60 using their collect from store option when reserving it on the web site). Then try booting from an Ubuntu CD and you should be able to mount his hard drive and copy any data, pictures, music etc off the drive. At least that way his data is backed up. Then TBH I'd suggest maybe wiping the lot and starting from scratch. I've done repair installs of Windows before but they've never really worked that well. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
Michael, i have a burnt Windows XP Home CD due to the fact that mine actually snapped As long as you use the officially licensed product key, it is legal, i can post it if you like as i no longer have a need for it. An OEM copy of XP will work, its just a case of having the drivers. If it has a SATA harddrive you may need to include the correct SATA drivers onto the disk before installation. Dan On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: On 04/06/10 19:11, Michael G Fletcher wrote: What make is his laptop? Rob A Dell Inspiron 6000... trying to save his 38GB of music :-( I got it to the point where it loads the Welcome screen, but when I logon the user, it just automatically logs me out again. I can get into the safe-mode with command prompt, and tried to install SP3, but doesn't seem to want to install! Michael You'll probably find that a standard Windows XP CD won't work (that is, an OEM copy of Windows XP). You'll need a specific Dell version which is tied to the Dell BIOS (funnily enough doing it this way any Dell Windows XP CD should work). If you e-mail me off list I might possibly be able to help. In the mean time, if he hasn't got an external hard drive, I'd suggest he gets one (I bought a 1TB Western Digital USB 2 hard drive yesterday from PC World for £60 using their collect from store option when reserving it on the web site). Then try booting from an Ubuntu CD and you should be able to mount his hard drive and copy any data, pictures, music etc off the drive. At least that way his data is backed up. Then TBH I'd suggest maybe wiping the lot and starting from scratch. I've done repair installs of Windows before but they've never really worked that well. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
Hi Daniel/all On 4 June 2010 19:33, Daniel Case danielcas...@googlemail.com wrote: As long as you use the officially licensed product key, it is legal, i can post it if you like as i no longer have a need for it. Ugh. Remember where you are. This is an Ubuntu list and it's not really the done thing for us to be discussing/arranging duplication of other peoples copyrighted work - even if it is Microsoft. Whilst some people might consider it 'ok' to copy an XP CD the fact is it most definitely is not 'legal' by any stretch. The contents of the CD is copyrighted work, and without permission from the copyright owner you should not be making copies. I appreciate the predicament that the original poster is in, and understand how frustrating it is to be in that position, this list is not the place to discuss / arrange that kind of thing. I'd appreciate it if these conversations were taken elsewhere. Thanks, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
On 04/06/10 19:38, Alan Pope wrote: Hi Daniel/all On 4 June 2010 19:33, Daniel Casedanielcas...@googlemail.com wrote: As long as you use the officially licensed product key, it is legal, i can post it if you like as i no longer have a need for it. Ugh. Remember where you are. This is an Ubuntu list and it's not really the done thing for us to be discussing/arranging duplication of other peoples copyrighted work - even if it is Microsoft. Fair enough it is really a bit OT, I've sent an e-mail off list. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
Rob In all honesty, you will stand a better chance of saving your friends 38 GiB of music by using an Ubuntu Live CD (or similar) than you will with a Win XP disc. Personally I would boot the machine from the live CD and then copy the data off to a safe media. Then you can re-install Windows once the data is safe. It would be safer than letting a Windows CD inadvertently hose the partition (and the music) for you. Stu On 4 June 2010 20:06, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: On 04/06/10 19:38, Alan Pope wrote: Hi Daniel/all On 4 June 2010 19:33, Daniel Casedanielcas...@googlemail.com wrote: As long as you use the officially licensed product key, it is legal, i can post it if you like as i no longer have a need for it. Ugh. Remember where you are. This is an Ubuntu list and it's not really the done thing for us to be discussing/arranging duplication of other peoples copyrighted work - even if it is Microsoft. Fair enough it is really a bit OT, I've sent an e-mail off list. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
Hi Everyone Please accept my apologies, I posted to the list as I reckoned most were experienced computer users and would probably have an old copy of windows floating around which they were no longer using seeing as they were Ubuntu users. Alan, please note I was not fully aware of the copyright issues and thought that having an original Registration Code would be enough to cover this. I am firm believer against copyright theft, and am now better educated. Sorry again for the OT posting and very irrelevant posting! Have a lovely weekend in the sun --Michael -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
Alan, I was not aware either that it was copyright theft to use another CD with your original license. Infact, i thought the following was true: ttp://download.microsoft.com/download/9/A/9/9A90E11E-43A3-4E7E-A919-961AF15820CA/Refurbished%20PC%20License%20Guide.pdf According to this, any PC that isn't brand new that you are performing a reinstall on is classed as a refurbished PC. From the file: http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/A/9/9A90E11E-43A3-4E7E-A919-961AF15820CA/Refurbished%20PC%20License%20Guide.pdf A new Windows license is not required for a refurbished PC that has: (1) The original Certificate of Authenticity (COA) for a Windows operating system affixed to the PC, and (2) The original recovery media or hard-disk based recovery image associated with the PC. Therefore it is legal to install Windows from another disk? On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Michael G Fletcher mich...@ilovemylinux.com wrote: Hi Everyone Please accept my apologies, I posted to the list as I reckoned most were experienced computer users and would probably have an old copy of windows floating around which they were no longer using seeing as they were Ubuntu users. Alan, please note I was not fully aware of the copyright issues and thought that having an original Registration Code would be enough to cover this. I am firm believer against copyright theft, and am now better educated. Sorry again for the OT posting and very irrelevant posting! Have a lovely weekend in the sun --Michael -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
On 4 June 2010 22:43, Daniel Case danielcas...@googlemail.com wrote: (2) The original recovery media or hard-disk based recovery image associated with the PC. How is a burnt Windows XP Home CD (your words) sent via post to someone either 'original recovery' or 'hard-disk based recovery image'? I'm not after an argument, but the fact is every single XP CD I have ever handled has 'DO NOT COPY' all over it. Besides which it's offtopic for this list. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows XP CD
On 4 June 2010 21:43, Daniel Case danielcas...@googlemail.com wrote: Alan, I was not aware either that it was copyright theft to use another CD with your original license. Infact, i thought the following was true: ttp://download.microsoft.com/download/9/A/9/9A90E11E-43A3-4E7E-A919-961AF15820CA/Refurbished%20PC%20License%20Guide.pdf According to this, any PC that isn't brand new that you are performing a reinstall on is classed as a refurbished PC. From the file: http://download.microsoft.com/download/9/A/9/9A90E11E-43A3-4E7E-A919-961AF15820CA/Refurbished%20PC%20License%20Guide.pdf A new Windows license is not required for a refurbished PC that has: (1) The original Certificate of Authenticity (COA) for a Windows operating system affixed to the PC, and (2) The original recovery media or hard-disk based recovery image associated with the PC. Therefore it is legal to install Windows from another disk? snip Surely not. *and*(2) the *original* recovery media or hard-disk based recovery image associated with the PC. -- Harry Rickards - ha...@linux.com Vote Lib Dem - Building a fairer Britain - http://libdems.org.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] windows 7 features comparison
Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: 2009/9/19 Vinothan Shankar neversaymon...@googlemail.com: Maximum CPU chips: probably 64 (standard in Linux kernel, I believe) I thought it could scale to 4096 now? (Or was that just an xkcd comic? I forget...) I'm pretty sure that's just XKCD. And it's certainly not in 2.6.28, which is what we're using in Ubuntu. Not that it wasn't a good XKCD! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] windows 7 features comparison
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Sutton wrote: Hi the following wiki pedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions there is a comparison of windows 7 versions, just wondered if anyone could imagine there was a column for ubuntu which features (or equilvent ) would be ticked, for example, ubuntu would have compiz for aero sort of thing, i guess multilingual is covered in ubuntu anyway, but just to make rough comparison. This is not about bashing microsoft, i want to try and make a fair comparison based on those features, to help our argument for open source / ubuntu Paul Apologies for the not-quite-complete list. Right, let's see (below is just for Ubuntu): 32- and 64-bit versions: both Maximum physical memory (64-bit mode): Approx 64TiB Maximum CPU chips: probably 64 (standard in Linux kernel, I believe) Home Group (create and join): Must be a windows concept - I don't know what the equivalent would be. Backup and restore center: Equivalent not installed by default but available Multiple monitors: Yes (hardware dependent) Fast user switching: yes Desktop Window Manager: Compiz (hardware dependent) or Metacity Windows Mobility Center: no equivalent centraliser. Windows Aero: Compiz (+emerald, maybe) Multi-touch: unknown (anyone?) Premium Games Included: N/A (no premium games!) Windows Media Center: Not immediately after install but MythTV in repos. Windows Media Player Remote Media Experience: ...say wha? Encrypting File System: If you use the alternate CD, with encrypted LVM Location Aware Printing: Not AFAIK Remote Desktop Host: not as standard; in repos (for RDP as it's what the system we're comparing to uses) Presentation Mode: No? Windows Server Domain Joining: Yes Windows XP Mode: No - though VM's are possible Aero glass remoting: I don't know what's meant by this! AppLocker: no BitLocker: Encrypted LVM again BranchCache: no (AFAIK) Subsystem for UNIX-Based Applications: N/A - _IS_ a *nix system Multilingual User Interface: yes Virtual Hard Disk booting: I believe so. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkq05r4ACgkQKYNUyjOGQGT+ZwCeOcyOXYr+C5RSf5cLkr6LpX0g 6bAAn1IVR++rb1VsYdlkbfJgDFSzAXYc =YKd6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] windows 7 features comparison
2009/9/19 Vinothan Shankar neversaymon...@googlemail.com: Maximum CPU chips: probably 64 (standard in Linux kernel, I believe) I thought it could scale to 4096 now? (Or was that just an xkcd comic? I forget...) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] windows 7 features comparison
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vinothan Shankar wrote: Paul Sutton wrote: Hi the following wiki pedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions there is a comparison of windows 7 versions, just wondered if anyone could imagine there was a column for ubuntu which features (or equilvent ) would be ticked, for example, ubuntu would have compiz for aero sort of thing, i guess multilingual is covered in ubuntu anyway, but just to make rough comparison. This is not about bashing microsoft, i want to try and make a fair comparison based on those features, to help our argument for open source / ubuntu Thanks for the list below. I have added one or two comments. Paul Apologies for the not-quite-complete list. Right, let's see (below is just for Ubuntu): 32- and 64-bit versions: both Maximum physical memory (64-bit mode): Approx 64TiB Maximum CPU chips: probably 64 (standard in Linux kernel, I believe) Home Group (create and join): Must be a windows concept - I don't know what the equivalent would be. Well Linux systems do have groups, so this could be a sort of equivalent, to this. Backup and restore center: Equivalent not installed by default but available Multiple monitors: Yes (hardware dependent) Fast user switching: yes Desktop Window Manager: Compiz (hardware dependent) or Metacity Windows Mobility Center: no equivalent centraliser. Windows Aero: Compiz (+emerald, maybe) Multi-touch: unknown (anyone?) Premium Games Included: N/A (no premium games!) but linux does have a lot of games available, Windows Media Center: Not immediately after install but MythTV in repos. Windows Media Player Remote Media Experience: ...say wha? Encrypting File System: If you use the alternate CD, with encrypted LVM Location Aware Printing: Not AFAIK Info on this is provided below http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/features/location-aware-printing so i would guess if both locations are using dhcp, then it would be a question if weather ubuntu can figure out from your ip address range, which printer to use. Remote Desktop Host: not as standard; in repos (for RDP as it's what the system we're comparing to uses) Presentation Mode: No? Windows Server Domain Joining: Yes Windows XP Mode: No - though VM's are possible Aero glass remoting: I don't know what's meant by this! AppLocker: no BitLocker: Encrypted LVM again BranchCache: no (AFAIK) Subsystem for UNIX-Based Applications: N/A - _IS_ a *nix system I would guess you could replace this as subsystem for Windows based systems e.g wine, cedega, cross over. Multilingual User Interface: yes Virtual Hard Disk booting: I believe so. I wonder if we could have ability to spell centre properly - microsoft NO - ubuntu YES. lol, ok joking a side i think the above would suggest that feature for feature, that what ever windows can do, so can ubuntu / linux, I just wondered if the community could make use of this somehow, after all microsoft where kind enough to issue fud to pc world et al regarding windows vs linux http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/09/ms_linux_pitch/ I think its only fair we do something similar only erm lets say tell the truth as best we can, rather than spread FUD. of course if MS want to play dirty we can do, Paul - -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Support Open and ISO standard file formats ISO 26300 odf http://www.odfalliance.org Meetings 1st Saturday of the month - Shoreline, Paignton from 3pm Software freedom day 2009 - Saturday 19th September 2009 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkq1MncACgkQaggq1k2FJq3jhQCcCfl5fSuVe3ra+QScZQvOLhKv r9MAn1sEgfowlpFwvIL94RTVvqjz7Lcm =P1Gd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
On 06/08/09 00:51, Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Gordongbpli...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting. I'm running RC at the moment and am NOT seeing it chock full of those really annoying popups at all. a. I ran it for several months under Virtualbox with 512mb allocated and it was fine b. I don't remember any annoying pop-ups either 'night! sean Hmmm, may be I am just uber-sensitive but trying to set up networking seemed totally over the top to me. I can't recall the exact procedure I remember being led around a recursive loop trying to get a simple LAN interface configured and constantly being sent back to the set up a home (or office) Windows Network wizard thingemy bob. Anyway - it looked quite pretty; if you like the child-friendly blue hues and very shiny buttons, but £219.99 for a locked down, proprietary OS with virtually no applications doesn't float my boat. Al -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com wrote in message news:h5dvv8$ra...@ger.gmane.org... Anyway - it looked quite pretty; if you like the child-friendly blue hues and very shiny buttons, but £219.99 :-) Getting mine for £44 Still thinking of using it in a VM. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 08:34 +0100, Gordon wrote: Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com wrote in message news:h5dvv8$ra...@ger.gmane.org... Anyway - it looked quite pretty; if you like the child-friendly blue hues and very shiny buttons, but £219.99 Surely that a description of Kubuntu? -- Seek That Thy Might Know http://www.davmor2.co.uk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Alan Lord (News)alansli...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway - it looked quite pretty; if you like the child-friendly blue hues and very shiny buttons, but £219.99 for a locked down, proprietary OS with virtually no applications doesn't float my boat. If you pay £219.99 you've been conned. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
On 06/08/09 08:53, Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Alan Lord (News)alansli...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway - it looked quite pretty; if you like the child-friendly blue hues and very shiny buttons, but £219.99 for a locked down, proprietary OS with virtually no applications doesn't float my boat. If you pay £219.99 you've been conned. Sean Yep. But if you pay *anything* you've been conned ;-) That is the retail price for the professional edition and after the until December promotion ends. And as there is no upgrade package from XP that is what most mortals will be expected to stump up. Al -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
Alan Lord (News) wrote: On 06/08/09 08:53, Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Alan Lord (News)alansli...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway - it looked quite pretty; if you like the child-friendly blue hues and very shiny buttons, but £219.99 for a locked down, proprietary OS with virtually no applications doesn't float my boat. If you pay £219.99 you've been conned. Sean Yep. But if you pay *anything* you've been conned ;-) That is the retail price for the professional edition and after the until December promotion ends. And as there is no upgrade package from XP that is what most mortals will be expected to stump up. Al That is what was worrying me about having to upgrade, I only have XP on all my machines, so I will have to pay that out twice. Wont be doing that for a while. I think by the Time Windows 7 comes in proper and they stop the support for XP, I will be using only Ubuntu on all my machines. John. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
I have been running the Windows 7 beta under parallels for the iMac and it runs a treat. I have also tried it in virtualbox running in a virtual instance of Ubuntu on the iMac and again it performs really well. Both tests out performed a native install on a dell 620 laptop (ok I know my iMac is zippy but its still good) I would just give it a go. Whats the worst that can happen? you have to create another VM :) 2009/8/5 Gordon gbpli...@gmail.com Anyone done this? If so, any thoughts or caveats or observations? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
Anyone done this? If so, any thoughts or caveats or observations? Yes, a couple of times with various betas under VirtualBox... It runs fine, and has nice wallpaper... :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:05:40 +0100 From: Gordon gbpli...@gmail.com Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine? To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: h5bp1r$51...@ger.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Anyone done this? If so, any thoughts or caveats or observations? I tried it under VMWare VMServer 2.0 on Ubuntu and all is ok as well... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
Gordon wrote: Anyone done this? If so, any thoughts or caveats or observations? Yes, I managed to get it running on VirtualBox. Basically as long as you can give it enough memory (I think it's a minimum of 512MB, but more ideally about 1 to 2GB) then it should work okay. Of course it'll help if your processor supports virtualisation technology (most AMD processors from the Athlon X2 upwards and some Athlon 64 chips support AMD-V and the higher range of Intel CPU's support Intel VT-x) but it isn't required. On my Core 2 Duo 2GHz notebook with 4GB Ram it ran quite well in Virtualbox with 2GB allocated to it (I'm using the 32-Bit server kernel on Ubuntu Desktop). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
Mike Paglia wrote: I have been running the Windows 7 beta under parallels for the iMac and it runs a treat. I have also tried it in virtualbox running in a virtual instance of Ubuntu on the iMac and again it performs really well. You can VirtualBox on Ubuntu which was running in a VM? That's pretty cool, a VM in a VM. :-) Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
I have done it as well, in VMware (I downloaded a premade VMware image of Windows 7). It worked okay, but I will not be buying a copy or using it regularly. It is not as good as Linux, and although an improvement on Vista, it is still not good value for money. Although the free beta which lasts a few months is worth trying out, at least to know what the competition are producing. David King LeeGroups wrote: Anyone done this? If so, any thoughts or caveats or observations? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
On 05/08/09 12:05, Gordon wrote: Anyone done this? If so, any thoughts or caveats or observations? Yep. It ran fine in a VirtualBox VM on Ubuntu. I hated it. Win7 was chock full of those really annoying popups and wizards that try to tell you what you don't really want to do... It didn't last long. Al -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 19:13 +0100, Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com wrote: those really annoying popups and wizards that try to tell you what you don't really want to do... How I love those. Tell us more. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com wrote in message news:h5ci32$ua...@ger.gmane.org... On 05/08/09 12:05, Gordon wrote: Anyone done this? If so, any thoughts or caveats or observations? Yep. It ran fine in a VirtualBox VM on Ubuntu. I hated it. Win7 was chock full of those really annoying popups and wizards that try to tell you what you don't really want to do... It didn't last long. Al Interesting. I'm running RC at the moment and am NOT seeing it chock full of those really annoying popups at all. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 in a Virtual Machine?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Gordongbpli...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting. I'm running RC at the moment and am NOT seeing it chock full of those really annoying popups at all. a. I ran it for several months under Virtualbox with 512mb allocated and it was fine b. I don't remember any annoying pop-ups either 'night! sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........
On 17/07/09 02:39, Liam Proven wrote: snip / There is a chance for Linux, but it's a very tough battle ahead. Unfortunately, I think the bad experiences of hundreds of thousands of people with Linux netbooks will put them off for a long time to come. I don't think it is as bad as the press would have you believe. I read something recently where something like 34% of netbooks sold are being wiped of Windows and having Linux installed. Most of the returns (in my direct experience with a particular vendor) was due almost exclusively to mis-selling; The retailer had had no training and was essentially *not* informing the customer that netbook a (with Linux) was any different to a regular notebook. This is wrong on 2 fronts: 1. Netbooks are not the same as Notebooks. I think this is more widely understood now but still likely to catch the naive buyer when they are in a shop with monkeys behind the counter. 2. Linux is not the same as Windows. This was the biggest problem, Buyers were not aware that when they got their new computer home it wasn't going to be a blue theme. There was no even basic explanation of the differences (or the advantages). In fact, from our research, the [ahem] sales staff would rather not even tell the prospective customer that it was *not* Windows. Asus stated last year that their return rates were about the same between Windows and Linux netbook sales. Now, we have the situation that MS have bribed/bought-off many of the major netbook manufacturers and, if you load them with crapware, the cost of the XP license can become negative to the oem. There are makers who are still doing Linux netbooks and new ones appear all the time. Google's Chrome OS will help immensely in this, with their branding and muscle. It isn't a lost battle by any means and the growth of Linux will not stop. It is increasing. Al -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........
Well i have down loaded installed Window 7 RC 7100 and at first glance yes there seems to be a likeness to quite a few Linux OS's and for that matter Mac OS X as well, but i think Micro$oft have learned from their failing of Vista. So what i would say is to the Linux guy they better wake up cos this thing may be out to kick ass. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:23 AM, John jake...@sky.com wrote: Has anybody seen this, and does anybody have Windows 7 to compare. I find this quite interesting though. http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2770tag=nl.e550 John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Robert Flatters, AMBSC -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........
2009/7/16 Robert Flatters robert.flatt...@googlemail.com: Well i have down loaded installed Window 7 RC 7100 and at first glance yes there seems to be a likeness to quite a few Linux OS's and for that matter Mac OS X as well, but i think Micro$oft have learned from their failing of Vista. So what i would say is to the Linux guy they better wake up cos this thing may be out to kick ass. Oh, absolutely, yes. But for all that it's shiny and pretty, and its wizards and help and things might assist many technophobic beginners, it's big, heavyweight, slow, and relatively expensive. It's also not particularly secure - it's actually a step backwards compared to Vista. There is a chance for Linux, but it's a very tough battle ahead. Unfortunately, I think the bad experiences of hundreds of thousands of people with Linux netbooks will put them off for a long time to come. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........
Just saw this on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_84367553_1?ie=UTF8docId=1000321063pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLEpf_rd_s=special-product-offers-3pf_rd_r=0VK1CGRWR4HF3J8C5951pf_rd_t=201pf_rd_p=470371973pf_rd_i=B002DUCMT2 [Quote] *4. Does Windows 7 come with a Web Browser?* Within the EU, the Windows 7 range does not contain a pre-installed internet browser. One option to gain access to the internet is: • On your current computer prior to installing Windows 7, or on another computer system, download the install file (usually a “.exe” file) for your preferred Windows 7-compatible browser to your current system. • Burn this file to a CD or DVD http://www.amazon.co.uk/Blank-Media-Computer-Peripherals-Accessories/b/ref=amb_link_84355233_14?ie=UTF8node=10391681pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLEpf_rd_s=center-2pf_rd_r=045QGHKRV68TR1EZC7D0pf_rd_t=1401pf_rd_p=470412993pf_rd_i=1000321063 or transfer it to an external storage medium such as a flash memory drive http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=amb_link_84355233_15?ie=UTF8rh=n%3A560798%2Ck%3Aflash%20memory%20drivepf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLEpf_rd_s=center-2pf_rd_r=045QGHKRV68TR1EZC7D0pf_rd_t=1401pf_rd_p=470412993pf_rd_i=1000321063 or external hard drive http://www.amazon.co.uk/External-Hard-Drive-Drives/b/ref=amb_link_84355233_16?ie=UTF8node=350779011pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLEpf_rd_s=center-2pf_rd_r=045QGHKRV68TR1EZC7D0pf_rd_t=1401pf_rd_p=470412993pf_rd_i=1000321063. • Install Windows 7 on your system using the instructions provided with your purchase. • Once you have installed Windows 7 on your system insert the CD/DVD or connect the external storage device and copy the install file to your Windows 7 system. • Run the install file to install your preferred web browser and access the internet. These instructions are provided for your information only and you may wish to explore other options. Amazon accepts no responsibility for any problems you may encounter from following the instructions above. Be sure to check out Amazon’s great selection of external storage devices http://www.amazon.co.uk/External-Hard-Drive-Drives/b/ref=amb_link_84355233_17?ie=UTF8node=350779011pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLEpf_rd_s=center-2pf_rd_r=045QGHKRV68TR1EZC7D0pf_rd_t=1401pf_rd_p=470412993pf_rd_i=1000321063 in our electronics store http://www.amazon.co.uk/consumer-electronics-photo-mp3-computing/b/ref=amb_link_84355233_18?ie=UTF8node=560798pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLEpf_rd_s=center-2pf_rd_r=045QGHKRV68TR1EZC7D0pf_rd_t=1401pf_rd_p=470412993pf_rd_i=1000321063. We will update these pages periodically with further information on how you may access the internet with Windows 7 as we receive it. [End Quote] Seems a bit long-winded really. Dan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........
John wrote: Has anybody seen this, and does anybody have Windows 7 to compare. I find this quite interesting though. http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2770tag=nl.e550 John I did have Windows 7 installed, in fact I'll be sticking it on the wife's PC this week too. I'd agree with some of the article, I mean a lot of things teenagers do now are web based - Facebook, Youtube, Gmail, Hotmail, MySpace, Twitter, Bebo, hey even MSN is now web based. Whenever my step kids (who are all in their teens) use the PC they fire up a browser, they never bother looking at any of other applications (never mind if they're on a Windows or Ubuntu based PC). Of course this wouldn't apply to everyone, some people still do need Windows apps or some do use Linux apps, but for the basic user who just wants to keep in touch with their friends then usually they just need a browser (hey my step kids have even happily used the browser on the Wii). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........
My two lads use only one thing outside of web browser and that is games and that's changing as they prefer Eve rather than paying through the nose for buggy software. I personally, am a Google fan so do everything via that with only my Story 'Writers cafe' software separately. when that appears online I will change. I have an Acer One and just put Moblin onto it and what a little distribution that is going to be. Dale On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: John wrote: Has anybody seen this, and does anybody have Windows 7 to compare. I find this quite interesting though. http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2770tag=nl.e550 John I did have Windows 7 installed, in fact I'll be sticking it on the wife's PC this week too. I'd agree with some of the article, I mean a lot of things teenagers do now are web based - Facebook, Youtube, Gmail, Hotmail, MySpace, Twitter, Bebo, hey even MSN is now web based. Whenever my step kids (who are all in their teens) use the PC they fire up a browser, they never bother looking at any of other applications (never mind if they're on a Windows or Ubuntu based PC). Of course this wouldn't apply to everyone, some people still do need Windows apps or some do use Linux apps, but for the basic user who just wants to keep in touch with their friends then usually they just need a browser (hey my step kids have even happily used the browser on the Wii). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........
What is Moblin, I have an Acer One with Ubuntu 9.04 on it, what does it do? Does it run off the netbook or what? John Dale Clarke wrote: My two lads use only one thing outside of web browser and that is games and that's changing as they prefer Eve rather than paying through the nose for buggy software. I personally, am a Google fan so do everything via that with only my Story 'Writers cafe' software separately. when that appears online I will change. I have an Acer One and just put Moblin onto it and what a little distribution that is going to be. Dale On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk mailto:r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: John wrote: Has anybody seen this, and does anybody have Windows 7 to compare. I find this quite interesting though. http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2770tag=nl.e550 http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2770tag=nl.e550 John I did have Windows 7 installed, in fact I'll be sticking it on the wife's PC this week too. I'd agree with some of the article, I mean a lot of things teenagers do now are web based - Facebook, Youtube, Gmail, Hotmail, MySpace, Twitter, Bebo, hey even MSN is now web based. Whenever my step kids (who are all in their teens) use the PC they fire up a browser, they never bother looking at any of other applications (never mind if they're on a Windows or Ubuntu based PC). Of course this wouldn't apply to everyone, some people still do need Windows apps or some do use Linux apps, but for the basic user who just wants to keep in touch with their friends then usually they just need a browser (hey my step kids have even happily used the browser on the Wii). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 7 same as Ubuntu........
John Just go here http://moblin.org/ Its a Linux Foundation project. Dale On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:09 PM, John jake...@sky.com wrote: What is Moblin, I have an Acer One with Ubuntu 9.04 on it, what does it do? Does it run off the netbook or what? John Dale Clarke wrote: My two lads use only one thing outside of web browser and that is games and that's changing as they prefer Eve rather than paying through the nose for buggy software. I personally, am a Google fan so do everything via that with only my Story 'Writers cafe' software separately. when that appears online I will change. I have an Acer One and just put Moblin onto it and what a little distribution that is going to be. Dale On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk mailto:r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: John wrote: Has anybody seen this, and does anybody have Windows 7 to compare. I find this quite interesting though. http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2770tag=nl.e550 http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2770tag=nl.e550 John I did have Windows 7 installed, in fact I'll be sticking it on the wife's PC this week too. I'd agree with some of the article, I mean a lot of things teenagers do now are web based - Facebook, Youtube, Gmail, Hotmail, MySpace, Twitter, Bebo, hey even MSN is now web based. Whenever my step kids (who are all in their teens) use the PC they fire up a browser, they never bother looking at any of other applications (never mind if they're on a Windows or Ubuntu based PC). Of course this wouldn't apply to everyone, some people still do need Windows apps or some do use Linux apps, but for the basic user who just wants to keep in touch with their friends then usually they just need a browser (hey my step kids have even happily used the browser on the Wii). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
Someone has already thought of this before: http://blog.markvdb.be/2007/10/support-free-software-buy-this-copy-of.html Mj On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Russell Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/19 David King [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that Microsoft reduced the price of Vista recently, as it was selling so badly. Now they have to give it away in competitions, so trying to sell it probably will not raise much money. David King -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ On ebay you would get £150 max for it.Better than using it I guess.;) -- -- Russell -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:11:53 + Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/17 Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So I just won a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate Edition in a prize draw and figured that it's no use to me as an Ubuntu user. I'm pretty sure that it's the retail version (not OEM) and was just wondering if anyone had any tips on how a FOSS user could get some value from it (e.g. sell it on and how I'd go about doing that or other ways of getting something from it). Donate it to someone who is a developer on the Ubuntu project, so that they could use it to improve the Ubuntu experience. I am thinking people like Colin Watson or Evan Dandrea who work on the install and migration tools or Agostino Rossi who works on wubi. +1 to the idea of one of the developers who work on migration tools or wubi. Alternatively you could donate it to the QA team so they (although I should say we) can use it for testing of the aforementioned tools. -- Dave Murphy - http://schwuk.com Get in touch - http://schwuk.com/contact signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
++ to the idea of selling it and donating to your fave FOSS project. :) BinaryDigit on UbuntuForums.org Lizzeh.com Support open source! On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Dave Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:11:53 + Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/17 Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So I just won a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate Edition in a prize draw and figured that it's no use to me as an Ubuntu user. I'm pretty sure that it's the retail version (not OEM) and was just wondering if anyone had any tips on how a FOSS user could get some value from it (e.g. sell it on and how I'd go about doing that or other ways of getting something from it). Donate it to someone who is a developer on the Ubuntu project, so that they could use it to improve the Ubuntu experience. I am thinking people like Colin Watson or Evan Dandrea who work on the install and migration tools or Agostino Rossi who works on wubi. +1 to the idea of one of the developers who work on migration tools or wubi. Alternatively you could donate it to the QA team so they (although I should say we) can use it for testing of the aforementioned tools. -- Dave Murphy - http://schwuk.com Get in touch - http://schwuk.com/contact -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
Why don't you just sell it and get the baby a new hat (or whatever treat you feel like) Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
I think that Microsoft reduced the price of Vista recently, as it was selling so badly. Now they have to give it away in competitions, so trying to sell it probably will not raise much money. David King -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
Buy ubuntu get windows free? 2008/11/17 Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, So I just won a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate Edition in a prize draw and figured that it's no use to me as an Ubuntu user. I'm pretty sure that it's the retail version (not OEM) and was just wondering if anyone had any tips on how a FOSS user could get some value from it (e.g. sell it on and how I'd go about doing that or other ways of getting something from it). Jai Venko Harrison -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Javad -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, So I just won a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate Edition in a prize draw and figured that it's no use to me as an Ubuntu user. I'm pretty sure that it's the retail version (not OEM) and was just wondering if anyone had any tips on how a FOSS user could get some value from it (e.g. sell it on and how I'd go about doing that or other ways of getting something from it). Frisbee throwing event. The fella or lass who throws it the furthest gets the prize. If a passing stranger happens to shred the disc with his drive-on lawnmower all the better. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
Hey guys, So I just won a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate Edition in a prize draw and figured that it's no use to me as an Ubuntu user. I'm pretty sure that it's the retail version (not OEM) and was just wondering if anyone had any tips on how a FOSS user could get some value from it (e.g. sell it on and how I'd go about doing that or other ways of getting something from it). Jai Venko Harrison You could always sell it and donate the cash to your favourite FOSS project :-) Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, So I just won a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate Edition in a prize draw and figured that it's no use to me as an Ubuntu user. I'm pretty sure that it's the retail version (not OEM) and was just wondering if anyone had any tips on how a FOSS user could get some value from it (e.g. sell it on and how I'd go about doing that or other ways of getting something from it). I'd say you basically have a few choices. 1. Install it. This would be my personal choice. 2. Hand it back to the competition runners and tell them to give it to someone who just missed out on a prize. 3. Give it away 4. Sell it. -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
Send it to MS, tell them it doesn't work and you want your money back :) On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 15:30 +, Jai Harrison wrote: Hey guys, So I just won a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate Edition in a prize draw and figured that it's no use to me as an Ubuntu user. I'm pretty sure that it's the retail version (not OEM) and was just wondering if anyone had any tips on how a FOSS user could get some value from it (e.g. sell it on and how I'd go about doing that or other ways of getting something from it). Jai Venko Harrison attachment: stock_smiley-1.png-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
On 17 Nov 2008, at 15:30, Jai Harrison wrote: Hey guys, So I just won a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate Edition in a prize draw and figured that it's no use to me as an Ubuntu user. I'm pretty sure that it's the retail version (not OEM) and was just wondering if anyone had any tips on how a FOSS user could get some value from it (e.g. sell it on and how I'd go about doing that or other ways of getting something from it). Jai Venko Harrison -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Keep it. That's one less copy in circulation. Hopefully one day it'll be worth something as a museum piece, from back when companies owned our software. Josh -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
1) blend it 2) A new coffee cup place thing 2008/11/17 Josh Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 17 Nov 2008, at 15:30, Jai Harrison wrote: Hey guys, So I just won a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate Edition in a prize draw and figured that it's no use to me as an Ubuntu user. I'm pretty sure that it's the retail version (not OEM) and was just wondering if anyone had any tips on how a FOSS user could get some value from it (e.g. sell it on and how I'd go about doing that or other ways of getting something from it). Jai Venko Harrison -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Keep it. That's one less copy in circulation. Hopefully one day it'll be worth something as a museum piece, from back when companies owned our software. Josh -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Javad -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Josh Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep it. That's one less copy in circulation. Hopefully one day it'll be worth something as a museum piece, from back when companies owned our software. You could take the opposite tack and create 200 pirate versions of it and then distribute them through e-bay, at every moment hoping that Micro$oft will try to take you to court over it and knowing that your address is completely ficticious and they'll never find you... (evil grin!) Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
With all due respect, Javad, who would want to put their coffee cup on a Windows Vista install disc? Not at all attractive proposition... every time you raised the cup to take a sip you'd be reminded of... well, you know... not good! Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
ha, i see your point! :) 2008/11/17 Sean Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] With all due respect, Javad, who would want to put their coffee cup on a Windows Vista install disc? Not at all attractive proposition... every time you raised the cup to take a sip you'd be reminded of... well, you know... not good! Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Javad -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
On a more serious note: 1. To make money, eBay is probably the only real option (without effort). 2. You could always have a look if a project such as Wine takes donated copies of Windows On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 16:42 +0100, Michael Holloway wrote: Send it to MS, tell them it doesn't work and you want your money back :) attachment: stock_smiley-1.png-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
Javad Ayaz wrote: Buy ubuntu get windows free? 2008/11/17 Jai Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey guys, So I just won a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate Edition in a prize draw and figured that it's no use to me as an Ubuntu user. I'm pretty sure that it's the retail version (not OEM) and was just wondering if anyone had any tips on how a FOSS user could get some value from it (e.g. sell it on and how I'd go about doing that or other ways of getting something from it). Jai Venko Harrison -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Javad If you're going to blend it, burn it or any other distructive thang, then don't, let me have it. I like windows as well as ubuntu. Paul [MooDoo] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
2008/11/17 Sean Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: With all due respect, Javad, who would want to put their coffee cup on a Windows Vista install disc? Not at all attractive proposition... every time you raised the cup to take a sip you'd be reminded of... well, you know... not good! Which reminds me.. Last year I worked for a company which was pretty much Windows through and through, and the guys I worked with were got chaps, lots of banter. One lunchtime when everyone else had gone out I stick some of those aluminium Powered by Ubuntu stickers (like the Intel ones) on their laptops where the Windows/Intel ones usually are. A few days (!) later they noticed and there was much fun as they either left them there or tried to remove them. About a month or so later I was cleaning my office coffee cup (a Hampshire Linux User Group one with a big fat Tux on it), and I noticed a Designed for Windows XP sticker on the _underside_ of the mug! It had apparently been there for a month - since they found the Ubuntu stickers, but I hadn't noticed (no, I don't clean the _underside_ of my mug often). The guy sat opposite me had taken great delight in watching me drink coffee because he could see the sticker up the right way every time I took a gulp. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
