Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
Hi, I don't know about Video set top box, but just about any other device is ARM. This includes PMP, gaming consoles,and the massive Cellular market. In the cellular market TI also has that prettty much cornered. About 9 out of 10 mobiles have custom TI DSP silicon integrated into it one way or another. Maybe I should have elucidated - just about any *portable* consumer device ? Best regards, Kris On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 02:05:18 +0100, Jamie Lokier ja...@shareable.org wrote: micro...@virginbroadband.com.au wrote: Just about any consumer device today has ARM in it. Last I heard, most video set top boxes / PVRs have MIPs inside. MIPS seems to be popular in home routers routers too. -- Jamie ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
On Saturday 29 August 2009 10:08:09 micro...@virginbroadband.com.au wrote: Hi, I don't know about Video set top box, but just about any other device is ARM. This includes PMP, gaming consoles,and the massive Cellular market. Darn, I should stay out of this kind of discussion but: What gaming console uses ARM? The only one I know of is the Zeebo. -- Chris Gray/k/ Embedded Java Solutions BE0809.435.306 Embedded Mobile Java, OSGihttp://www.k-embedded-java.com/ chris.g...@kiffer.be +32 3 216 0369 ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
xbox, ps3 and wii all use versions of Power PC. However many portable devices do use ARM. Iphone uses a Samsung arm. most likely Motorola phones use freescale arm processors. G1 uses a qualcomm processor. Panasonic has it's own arm. Most low end routers use Broadcom chips. High end routers use Freescale PowerQUICC and the like. Do you work for TI? On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Chris Gray chris.g...@kiffer.be wrote: On Saturday 29 August 2009 10:08:09 micro...@virginbroadband.com.au wrote: Hi, I don't know about Video set top box, but just about any other device is ARM. This includes PMP, gaming consoles,and the massive Cellular market. Darn, I should stay out of this kind of discussion but: What gaming console uses ARM? The only one I know of is the Zeebo. -- Chris Gray/k/ Embedded Java Solutions BE0809.435.306 Embedded Mobile Java, OSGihttp://www.k-embedded-java.com/ chris.g...@kiffer.be +32 3 216 0369 ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
Chris Gray wrote: On Saturday 29 August 2009 10:08:09 micro...@virginbroadband.com.au wrote: Hi, I don't know about Video set top box, but just about any other device is ARM. This includes PMP, gaming consoles,and the massive Cellular market. Darn, I should stay out of this kind of discussion but: What gaming console uses ARM? The only one I know of is the Zeebo. Nintendo Gameboy Advance (ARM7) and DS (ARM9) Greg ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
Hi Chris, Gameboy/Gameboy Advance (ARM7), Nintendo DS/ DS Lite (ARM7 + ARM9) to name a few.. (I _did_ elucidate *portable* devices ) B rgds Kris On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:52:04 +0200, Chris Gray chris.g...@kiffer.be wrote: On Saturday 29 August 2009 10:08:09 micro...@virginbroadband.com.au wrote: Hi, I don't know about Video set top box, but just about any other device is ARM. This includes PMP, gaming consoles,and the massive Cellular market. Darn, I should stay out of this kind of discussion but: What gaming console uses ARM? The only one I know of is the Zeebo. ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
Hi, Nope, I don't work for TI :-) I did consult as third party vendor RF/MSP430 for TI DRAD (Digital Radio) division in Dallas, TX and MSP430 HQ, Freising, Germany for several years. (I'm in Melbourne, Australia however) Actually, I'm still listed as endorsed 3rd party but I'm not much active anymore, looking at becoming an employee again... I got to (p)review internal specs of RF alpha beta silicon quite a bit and got some insider info along the way. I can assure you that a lot of cellular chipsets do use custom TI DSP silicon under the bonnet... Perhaps I did mis-phrase initially. Sorry for the brief tangent ! B rgds Kris On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:55:10 -0400, Jim Donelson ucli...@jimdonelson.com wrote: xbox, ps3 and wii all use versions of Power PC. However many portable devices do use ARM. Iphone uses a Samsung arm. most likely Motorola phones use freescale arm processors. G1 uses a qualcomm processor. Panasonic has it's own arm. Most low end routers use Broadcom chips. High end routers use Freescale PowerQUICC and the like. Do you work for TI? On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Chris Gray chris.g...@kiffer.be wrote: On Saturday 29 August 2009 10:08:09 micro...@virginbroadband.com.au wrote: Hi, I don't know about Video set top box, but just about any other device is ARM. This includes PMP, gaming consoles,and the massive Cellular market. Darn, I should stay out of this kind of discussion but: What gaming console uses ARM? The only one I know of is the Zeebo. -- Chris Gray/k/ Embedded Java Solutions BE0809.435.306 Embedded Mobile Java, OSGihttp://www.k-embedded-java.com/ chris.g...@kiffer.be +32 3 216 0369 ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
Not familar with MIPS boards, but I highly recommend you get one with an Ethernet port for development. Just wondering, why does it need to be MIPS? On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:31 AM, tom gogh tomgog...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi everyone, can anyone recommend any good development board/starter kit for MIPS. I am looking for cheap option, to port uclinux as a hobby project. How folks on this mailing list get development boards? What sources do you track? Thanks, Anand ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
I wonder too why MIPS ? IMO ARM is your best bet nowadays, ARM is more and more breaking through even into 8 bit apps where eg. deeply embedded Cortex now runs. Just about any consumer device today has ARM in it. I reckon that soon ARM experience will be a must for engineers. If you want ARM, Olimex is a great choice and great value. I use a SAM9-L9260 board. I've been very happy with it. It costs little and has everything to start with (uC)linux. USB host and device port, Ethernet, MMC/SD/SDIO slot, serial RS232 64 MB RAM, 512 MB Flash 200 MHz ARM926 with MMU, DataFlash for boot etc. etc. It's 99% compatible with Atmel's AT91SAM9260EK, but costs1/3 the price. ($169 EUR IIRC) www.olimex.com HTH B rgds Kris On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:45:13 -0400, Jim Donelson ucli...@jimdonelson.com wrote: Not familar with MIPS boards, but I highly recommend you get one with an Ethernet port for development. Just wondering, why does it need to be MIPS? On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:31 AM, tom gogh tomgog...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi everyone, can anyone recommend any good development board/starter kit for MIPS. I am looking for cheap option, to port uclinux as a hobby project. How folks on this mailing list get development boards? What sources do you track? Thanks, Anand ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
If you realy need a MIPS arch, the Fonera is realy cheap (30$) and has serial, ethernet and JTAG available. Timothée. On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:05:01 +1000, micro...@virginbroadband.com.au wrote: I wonder too why MIPS ? IMO ARM is your best bet nowadays, ARM is more and more breaking through even into 8 bit apps where eg. deeply embedded Cortex now runs. Just about any consumer device today has ARM in it. I reckon that soon ARM experience will be a must for engineers. If you want ARM, Olimex is a great choice and great value. I use a SAM9-L9260 board. I've been very happy with it. It costs little and has everything to start with (uC)linux. USB host and device port, Ethernet, MMC/SD/SDIO slot, serial RS232 64 MB RAM, 512 MB Flash 200 MHz ARM926 with MMU, DataFlash for boot etc. etc. It's 99% compatible with Atmel's AT91SAM9260EK, but costs1/3 the price. ($169 EUR IIRC) www.olimex.com HTH B rgds Kris On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:45:13 -0400, Jim Donelson ucli...@jimdonelson.com wrote: Not familar with MIPS boards, but I highly recommend you get one with an Ethernet port for development. Just wondering, why does it need to be MIPS? On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:31 AM, tom gogh tomgog...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi everyone, can anyone recommend any good development board/starter kit for MIPS. I am looking for cheap option, to port uclinux as a hobby project. How folks on this mailing list get development boards? What sources do you track? Thanks, Anand ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
You might also consider an original Sony Playstation, as it is available cheap, has good I/O capability (video/game controllers/sound), and has a low-speed, non-MMU MIPS processor, not to mention various emulators that would ease debugging. -joe 2009/8/28 Timothée Manaud timot...@manaud.net If you realy need a MIPS arch, the Fonera is realy cheap (30$) and has serial, ethernet and JTAG available. Timothée. On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:05:01 +1000, micro...@virginbroadband.com.au wrote: I wonder too why MIPS ? IMO ARM is your best bet nowadays, ARM is more and more breaking through even into 8 bit apps where eg. deeply embedded Cortex now runs. Just about any consumer device today has ARM in it. I reckon that soon ARM experience will be a must for engineers. If you want ARM, Olimex is a great choice and great value. I use a SAM9-L9260 board. I've been very happy with it. It costs little and has everything to start with (uC)linux. USB host and device port, Ethernet, MMC/SD/SDIO slot, serial RS232 64 MB RAM, 512 MB Flash 200 MHz ARM926 with MMU, DataFlash for boot etc. etc. It's 99% compatible with Atmel's AT91SAM9260EK, but costs1/3 the price. ($169 EUR IIRC) www.olimex.com HTH B rgds Kris On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:45:13 -0400, Jim Donelson ucli...@jimdonelson.com wrote: Not familar with MIPS boards, but I highly recommend you get one with an Ethernet port for development. Just wondering, why does it need to be MIPS? On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:31 AM, tom gogh tomgog...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi everyone, can anyone recommend any good development board/starter kit for MIPS. I am looking for cheap option, to port uclinux as a hobby project. How folks on this mailing list get development boards? What sources do you track? Thanks, Anand ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
blackfin is not that cheap, but they have super (free) support. You should also consider level of support. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Joseph Stewart joseph.stew...@gmail.comwrote: You might also consider an original Sony Playstation, as it is available cheap, has good I/O capability (video/game controllers/sound), and has a low-speed, non-MMU MIPS processor, not to mention various emulators that would ease debugging. -joe 2009/8/28 Timothée Manaud timot...@manaud.net If you realy need a MIPS arch, the Fonera is realy cheap (30$) and has serial, ethernet and JTAG available. Timothée. On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:05:01 +1000, micro...@virginbroadband.com.au wrote: I wonder too why MIPS ? IMO ARM is your best bet nowadays, ARM is more and more breaking through even into 8 bit apps where eg. deeply embedded Cortex now runs. Just about any consumer device today has ARM in it. I reckon that soon ARM experience will be a must for engineers. If you want ARM, Olimex is a great choice and great value. I use a SAM9-L9260 board. I've been very happy with it. It costs little and has everything to start with (uC)linux. USB host and device port, Ethernet, MMC/SD/SDIO slot, serial RS232 64 MB RAM, 512 MB Flash 200 MHz ARM926 with MMU, DataFlash for boot etc. etc. It's 99% compatible with Atmel's AT91SAM9260EK, but costs1/3 the price. ($169 EUR IIRC) www.olimex.com HTH B rgds Kris On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:45:13 -0400, Jim Donelson ucli...@jimdonelson.com wrote: Not familar with MIPS boards, but I highly recommend you get one with an Ethernet port for development. Just wondering, why does it need to be MIPS? On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:31 AM, tom gogh tomgog...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi everyone, can anyone recommend any good development board/starter kit for MIPS. I am looking for cheap option, to port uclinux as a hobby project. How folks on this mailing list get development boards? What sources do you track? Thanks, Anand ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
This is a most excellent choice! No porting work required! The tomato client is friendly for ssh/telnet and allows installing ipkgs very easily. Thanks for the reminder! -joe On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Steven King sfk...@fdwdc.com wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 09:19:34 tom gogh wrote: I searched for Fonera router and it's not available in my country (India) as per the fonera website. I will check about Sony Playstation if old ones are available around my place. I will prefer with mmu so I can even use other distributions like RTLinux. another choice would be a linksys wrt54gl. -- Steven King -- sfking at fdwdc dot com ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
On Friday 28 August 2009 19:11:23 Steven King wrote: another choice would be a linksys wrt54gl. That's what I was going to suggest - it's the platform we first used when porting the Mika VM to MIPS, and it must be the cheapest development system we bought so far. Take a look at the list of hardware at http://oldwiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware.html and https://dev.openwrt.org/wiki/platforms. (Not all the platforms listed are MIPS but many are). For some platforms you have to be very careful which model you buy, because apparently similar models may not have enough memory to run (even) uClinux. My own experience of networking is different to yours: I see a lot of MIPS and quite a bit of SH4 and Coldfire, ARM is really not dominant in this area. Best regards Chris -- Chris Gray/k/ Embedded Java Solutions BE0809.435.306 Embedded Mobile Java, OSGihttp://www.k-embedded-java.com/ chris.g...@kiffer.be +32 3 216 0369 ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
I just ordered a FON, to use with dd-wrt. I use them in client mode to hook up stuff around the house. I have use Linksys and Buffalo, but for 30.00 this is great! Any one know what tool chain is the best for this MIPS? On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Chris Gray chris.g...@kiffer.be wrote: On Friday 28 August 2009 19:11:23 Steven King wrote: another choice would be a linksys wrt54gl. That's what I was going to suggest - it's the platform we first used when porting the Mika VM to MIPS, and it must be the cheapest development system we bought so far. Take a look at the list of hardware at http://oldwiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware.html and https://dev.openwrt.org/wiki/platforms. (Not all the platforms listed are MIPS but many are). For some platforms you have to be very careful which model you buy, because apparently similar models may not have enough memory to run (even) uClinux. My own experience of networking is different to yours: I see a lot of MIPS and quite a bit of SH4 and Coldfire, ARM is really not dominant in this area. Best regards Chris -- Chris Gray/k/ Embedded Java Solutions BE0809.435.306 Embedded Mobile Java, OSGihttp://www.k-embedded-java.com/ chris.g...@kiffer.be +32 3 216 0369 ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
Re: [uClinux-dev] starter kit or development board
micro...@virginbroadband.com.au wrote: Just about any consumer device today has ARM in it. Last I heard, most video set top boxes / PVRs have MIPs inside. MIPS seems to be popular in home routers routers too. -- Jamie ___ uClinux-dev mailing list uClinux-dev@uclinux.org http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/listinfo/uclinux-dev This message was resent by uclinux-dev@uclinux.org To unsubscribe see: http://mailman.uclinux.org/mailman/options/uclinux-dev
