RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony
Ed, not you again relapsing! I though you moved up permanently a notch in the last two years. I was beginning to believe you. Ochan At 08:42 PM 3/4/2004 -0700, you wrote: Emmanuel Musazi Some of these guys are immovable in one gear - reverse mode. They are stuck. Kawenkene; or nothing. You can easily get blood out of a stone but pumping sense, good luck! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of emmanuel musaazi Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony Look Ochan, are you illiterate. I have already said (please read my posting CAREFULLY, this is the problem with people of your ilk, you see things in one dimension, a one way train gone amok), i have not denied that there were crimes comitted by NRA soldiers, indeed even the president admitted to the fact, but again as i stated earlier, these erring soldiers were dealt with...and i also said that this was in stack contrast to what your brother Obote (whos crimes don't seem to register on your radar screen, i guess to you every northerner is rightous), did to my people in the south where it is also clearly documented that well over 300, 000 human beings perished as a result of excesses of UNLA. YOUR BROTHER OBOTE IS LISTED AS A FUGITIVE (GO TO THIS HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH SITE FOR FURTHER DETAIL: http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/torturers072103-bck.htm). HE IS LISTED IN THE COMPANY OF THE LIKES OF BABY DOC, MAINGISTU AMONG OTHER NOTORIOUS EX-DICTATORS/KILLERS OF THE LAST CENTURY. The evidence on Obote and his crimes pales in contrast to the half-truths you posted against our President, most of which was dealt with (again most erring soldiers were dealt with). Has Obote ever criticized his lawless soldiers and tribes men for the atrocities they committed in the south? no. Did he ever try to solve the problem? no. Has Obote ever apologized for horrendous crimes that occured on his watch (most of which he sanctioned)? no. On the other hand did President Museveni acknowledge that there were some criminal elements within the ranks of NRA (and for that matter UPDF)? yes, did he take steps to solve the problem? yes (again erring soldiers were tried and punished). Has president Museveni ever apologized for some of the mis-adventures of govenment soldiers? yes, he has even apologized to people of the north for attrocities perpetuated on them by one of there own (Kony). Further more President Museveni is leading from the front, he is right now as we communicate in the north, seeing to the safety of notherners. I don't even think Obote ever visited luwero, to sympathize with the bereaved at the time. Instead he just sent more soldiers to kill. Mr. Ochan you have got to realise that we have our "people" too (it appears that is the kind of language you understand). Here is my argument with you fellows, i'll lay it out for you in very simple terms; to you northerners (and this is my recent observation, initially i never viewed this as a north/south problem), Obote never did anything wrong throghout his 10yrs in power (yet there is clear evidence at home and abroad to the contrary), if we as southerners express our obviously bad experience with Obote, you northerners see us as liers, you show no empathy whatsoever, yet you northerners want us to view our president Museveni (a southerner) as the worst of the worst because of the conflict in the north, even though it is clear that Kony (a northerner) is responsible for most of the killing. You accuse us (southerners) of not showing enough concern and empathy. My simple response is this, i also care very much about my "poeple" and i also think that they deserve justice just as much as your "people" do, if you don't acknowledge my claim for justice for my people then don't bother asking me about yours. I'm sorry i have to put it that plainly but to me that is the stack reality. I am not one to beat about the bush, i see things as they are and say it as i see it. So don't bother playing games with me, i see it all and i'll continue callig it as it is...and don't bother bringing up things like "enjoy the blood of my people" with me, it just shows me how naive you are. >From: Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate >Acholiland, orders Kony >Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:00:23 -0800 > >You cannot answer the question, is that true Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi? > >Again, here it is incase you missed it: provide alternative evidence >[documented proofs: authors, publication, date, page numbers] to the >contrary. > >Enjoy the blood of my people. > >Ochan Otim > > >At 04:33 PM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>Mr. Oc
RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony
Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi: Thanks for your never ending escapist answers, or should I say nothing! Where I am coming from, every single human life everywhere is precious. Before I forget, I'll let you on a little secret going around. I have heard people say that when God decides to take your life, He/She makes you insane first. We could be witnessing it live here! Lastly, I shall not dignify any more of your tirade with an answer again. Continue enjoying the 'sweet' blood of my people, Bwana Musaazi. Enjoy. Ochan Otim At 09:45 PM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: Look Ochan, are you illiterate. I have already said (please read my posting CAREFULLY, this is the problem with people of your ilk, you see things in one dimension, a one way train gone amok), i have not denied that there were crimes comitted by NRA soldiers, indeed even the president admitted to the fact, but again as i stated earlier, these erring soldiers were dealt with...and i also said that this was in stack contrast to what your brother Obote (whos crimes don't seem to register on your radar screen, i guess to you every northerner is rightous), did to my people in the south where it is also clearly documented that well over 300, 000 human beings perished as a result of excesses of UNLA. YOUR BROTHER OBOTE IS LISTED AS A FUGITIVE (GO TO THIS HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH SITE FOR FURTHER DETAIL: http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/torturers072103-bck.htm). HE IS LISTED IN THE COMPANY OF THE LIKES OF BABY DOC, MAINGISTU AMONG OTHER NOTORIOUS EX-DICTATORS/KILLERS OF THE LAST CENTURY. The evidence on Obote and his crimes pales in contrast to the half-truths you posted against our President, most of which was dealt with (again most erring soldiers were dealt with). Has Obote ever criticized his lawless soldiers and tribes men for the atrocities they committed in the south? no. Did he ever try to solve the problem? no. Has Obote ever apologized for horrendous crimes that occured on his watch (most of which he sanctioned)? no. On the other hand did President Museveni acknowledge that there were some criminal elements within the ranks of NRA (and for that matter UPDF)? yes, did he take steps to solve the problem? yes (again erring soldiers were tried and punished). Has president Museveni ever apologized for some of the mis-adventures of govenment soldiers? yes, he has even apologized to people of the north for attrocities perpetuated on them by one of there own (Kony). Further more President Museveni is leading from the front, he is right now as we communicate in the north, seeing to the safety of notherners. I don't even think Obote ever visited luwero, to sympathize with the bereaved at the time. Instead he just sent more soldiers to kill. Mr. Ochan you have got to realise that we have our "people" too (it appears that is the kind of language you understand). Here is my argument with you fellows, i'll lay it out for you in very simple terms; to you northerners (and this is my recent observation, initially i never viewed this as a north/south problem), Obote never did anything wrong throghout his 10yrs in power (yet there is clear evidence at home and abroad to the contrary), if we as southerners express our obviously bad experience with Obote, you northerners see us as liers, you show no empathy whatsoever, yet you northerners want us to view our president Museveni (a southerner) as the worst of the worst because of the conflict in the north, even though it is clear that Kony (a northerner) is responsible for most of the killing. You accuse us (southerners) of not showing enough concern and empathy. My simple response is this, i also care very much about my "poeple" and i also think that they deserve justice just as much as your "people" do, if you don't acknowledge my claim for justice for my people then don't bother asking me about yours. I'm sorry i have to put it that plainly but to me that is the stack reality. I am not one to beat about the bush, i see things as they are and say it as i see it. So don't bother playing games with me, i see it all and i'll continue callig it as it is...and don't bother bringing up things like "enjoy the blood of my people" with me, it just shows me how naive you are. From: Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:00:23 -0800 You cannot answer the question, is that true Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi? Again, here it is incase you missed it: provide alternative evidence [documented proofs: authors, publication, date, page numbers] to the contrary. Enjoy the blood of my people. Ochan Otim At 04:33 PM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: Mr. Ochan, what about Luwero, pandagari and all the other atrocities committe
RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony
Ochan Otim I moved on, but there are times I look back on the track to see if all are moving forward with me, I have to go back and help them move along too, assuming they haven't fallen down the rock face. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ochan Otim Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony Ed, not you again relapsing! I though you moved up permanently a notch in the last two years. I was beginning to believe you. Ochan At 08:42 PM 3/4/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Emmanuel Musazi >Some of these guys are immovable in one gear - reverse mode. They are >stuck. Kawenkene; or nothing. >You can easily get blood out of a stone but pumping sense, good luck! > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >Of emmanuel musaazi >Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:46 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate >Acholiland, orders Kony > >Look Ochan, are you illiterate. I have already said (please read my >posting >CAREFULLY, this is the problem with people of your ilk, you see things >in >one dimension, a one way train gone amok), i have not denied that there >were >crimes comitted by NRA soldiers, indeed even the president admitted to >the >fact, but again as i stated earlier, these erring soldiers were dealt >with...and i also said that this was in stack contrast to what your >brother >Obote (whos crimes don't seem to register on your radar screen, i guess >to >you every northerner is rightous), did to my people in the south where >it is >also clearly documented that well over 300, 000 human beings perished as >a >result of excesses of UNLA. YOUR BROTHER OBOTE IS LISTED AS A FUGITIVE >(GO >TO THIS HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH SITE FOR FURTHER DETAIL: >http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/torturers072103-bck.htm). HE IS LISTED >IN >THE COMPANY OF THE LIKES OF BABY DOC, MAINGISTU AMONG OTHER NOTORIOUS >EX-DICTATORS/KILLERS OF THE LAST CENTURY. The evidence on Obote and his >crimes pales in contrast to the half-truths you posted against our >President, most of which was dealt with (again most erring soldiers were > >dealt with). > >Has Obote ever criticized his lawless soldiers and tribes men for the >atrocities they committed in the south? no. Did he ever try to solve the > >problem? no. Has Obote ever apologized for horrendous crimes that >occured on >his watch (most of which he sanctioned)? no. On the other hand did >President >Museveni acknowledge that there were some criminal elements within the >ranks >of NRA (and for that matter UPDF)? yes, did he take steps to solve the >problem? yes (again erring soldiers were tried and punished). Has >president >Museveni ever apologized for some of the mis-adventures of govenment >soldiers? yes, he has even apologized to people of the north for >attrocities >perpetuated on them by one of there own (Kony). Further more President >Museveni is leading from the front, he is right now as we communicate in >the >north, seeing to the safety of notherners. I don't even think Obote ever > >visited luwero, to sympathize with the bereaved at the time. Instead he >just >sent more soldiers to kill. > >Mr. Ochan you have got to realise that we have our "people" too (it >appears >that is the kind of language you understand). Here is my argument with >you >fellows, i'll lay it out for you in very simple terms; to you >northerners >(and this is my recent observation, initially i never viewed this as a >north/south problem), Obote never did anything wrong throghout his 10yrs >in >power (yet there is clear evidence at home and abroad to the contrary), >if >we as southerners express our obviously bad experience with Obote, you >northerners see us as liers, you show no empathy whatsoever, yet you >northerners want us to view our president Museveni (a southerner) as the > >worst of the worst because of the conflict in the north, even though it >is >clear that Kony (a northerner) is responsible for most of the killing. >You >accuse us (southerners) of not showing enough concern and empathy. My >simple >response is this, i also care very much about my "poeple" and i also >think >that they deserve justice just as much as your "people" do, if you don't > >acknowledge my claim for justice for my people then don't bother asking >me >about yours. I'm sorry i have to put it that plainly but to me that is >the >stack reality. I am not one to beat about the bush, i see things as they >are >and
RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony
Emmanuel Musazi Some of these guys are immovable in one gear - reverse mode. They are stuck. Kawenkene; or nothing. You can easily get blood out of a stone but pumping sense, good luck! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of emmanuel musaazi Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony Look Ochan, are you illiterate. I have already said (please read my posting CAREFULLY, this is the problem with people of your ilk, you see things in one dimension, a one way train gone amok), i have not denied that there were crimes comitted by NRA soldiers, indeed even the president admitted to the fact, but again as i stated earlier, these erring soldiers were dealt with...and i also said that this was in stack contrast to what your brother Obote (whos crimes don't seem to register on your radar screen, i guess to you every northerner is rightous), did to my people in the south where it is also clearly documented that well over 300, 000 human beings perished as a result of excesses of UNLA. YOUR BROTHER OBOTE IS LISTED AS A FUGITIVE (GO TO THIS HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH SITE FOR FURTHER DETAIL: http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/torturers072103-bck.htm). HE IS LISTED IN THE COMPANY OF THE LIKES OF BABY DOC, MAINGISTU AMONG OTHER NOTORIOUS EX-DICTATORS/KILLERS OF THE LAST CENTURY. The evidence on Obote and his crimes pales in contrast to the half-truths you posted against our President, most of which was dealt with (again most erring soldiers were dealt with). Has Obote ever criticized his lawless soldiers and tribes men for the atrocities they committed in the south? no. Did he ever try to solve the problem? no. Has Obote ever apologized for horrendous crimes that occured on his watch (most of which he sanctioned)? no. On the other hand did President Museveni acknowledge that there were some criminal elements within the ranks of NRA (and for that matter UPDF)? yes, did he take steps to solve the problem? yes (again erring soldiers were tried and punished). Has president Museveni ever apologized for some of the mis-adventures of govenment soldiers? yes, he has even apologized to people of the north for attrocities perpetuated on them by one of there own (Kony). Further more President Museveni is leading from the front, he is right now as we communicate in the north, seeing to the safety of notherners. I don't even think Obote ever visited luwero, to sympathize with the bereaved at the time. Instead he just sent more soldiers to kill. Mr. Ochan you have got to realise that we have our "people" too (it appears that is the kind of language you understand). Here is my argument with you fellows, i'll lay it out for you in very simple terms; to you northerners (and this is my recent observation, initially i never viewed this as a north/south problem), Obote never did anything wrong throghout his 10yrs in power (yet there is clear evidence at home and abroad to the contrary), if we as southerners express our obviously bad experience with Obote, you northerners see us as liers, you show no empathy whatsoever, yet you northerners want us to view our president Museveni (a southerner) as the worst of the worst because of the conflict in the north, even though it is clear that Kony (a northerner) is responsible for most of the killing. You accuse us (southerners) of not showing enough concern and empathy. My simple response is this, i also care very much about my "poeple" and i also think that they deserve justice just as much as your "people" do, if you don't acknowledge my claim for justice for my people then don't bother asking me about yours. I'm sorry i have to put it that plainly but to me that is the stack reality. I am not one to beat about the bush, i see things as they are and say it as i see it. So don't bother playing games with me, i see it all and i'll continue callig it as it is...and don't bother bringing up things like "enjoy the blood of my people" with me, it just shows me how naive you are. >From: Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate >Acholiland, orders Kony >Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:00:23 -0800 > >You cannot answer the question, is that true Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi? > >Again, here it is incase you missed it: provide alternative evidence >[documented proofs: authors, publication, date, page numbers] to the >contrary. > >Enjoy the blood of my people. > >Ochan Otim > > >At 04:33 PM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>Mr. Ochan, what about Luwero, pandagari and all the other atrocities >>committed by Obote and UPC, eehh!!!, those peopl
RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony
Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi: Thanks for your never ending escapist answers, or should I say nothing! Where I am coming from, every single human life everywhere is precious. Before I forget, I'll let you on a little secret going around. I have heard people say that when God decides to take your life, He/She makes you insane first. We could be witnessing it live here! Lastly, I shall not dignify any more of your tirade with an answer again. Continue enjoying the 'sweet' blood of my people, Bwana Musaazi. Enjoy. Ochan Otim At 09:45 PM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: Look Ochan, are you illiterate. I have already said (please read my posting CAREFULLY, this is the problem with people of your ilk, you see things in one dimension, a one way train gone amok), i have not denied that there were crimes comitted by NRA soldiers, indeed even the president admitted to the fact, but again as i stated earlier, these erring soldiers were dealt with...and i also said that this was in stack contrast to what your brother Obote (whos crimes don't seem to register on your radar screen, i guess to you every northerner is rightous), did to my people in the south where it is also clearly documented that well over 300, 000 human beings perished as a result of excesses of UNLA. YOUR BROTHER OBOTE IS LISTED AS A FUGITIVE (GO TO THIS HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH SITE FOR FURTHER DETAIL: http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/torturers072103-bck.htm). HE IS LISTED IN THE COMPANY OF THE LIKES OF BABY DOC, MAINGISTU AMONG OTHER NOTORIOUS EX-DICTATORS/KILLERS OF THE LAST CENTURY. The evidence on Obote and his crimes pales in contrast to the half-truths you posted against our President, most of which was dealt with (again most erring soldiers were dealt with). Has Obote ever criticized his lawless soldiers and tribes men for the atrocities they committed in the south? no. Did he ever try to solve the problem? no. Has Obote ever apologized for horrendous crimes that occured on his watch (most of which he sanctioned)? no. On the other hand did President Museveni acknowledge that there were some criminal elements within the ranks of NRA (and for that matter UPDF)? yes, did he take steps to solve the problem? yes (again erring soldiers were tried and punished). Has president Museveni ever apologized for some of the mis-adventures of govenment soldiers? yes, he has even apologized to people of the north for attrocities perpetuated on them by one of there own (Kony). Further more President Museveni is leading from the front, he is right now as we communicate in the north, seeing to the safety of notherners. I don't even think Obote ever visited luwero, to sympathize with the bereaved at the time. Instead he just sent more soldiers to kill. Mr. Ochan you have got to realise that we have our "people" too (it appears that is the kind of language you understand). Here is my argument with you fellows, i'll lay it out for you in very simple terms; to you northerners (and this is my recent observation, initially i never viewed this as a north/south problem), Obote never did anything wrong throghout his 10yrs in power (yet there is clear evidence at home and abroad to the contrary), if we as southerners express our obviously bad experience with Obote, you northerners see us as liers, you show no empathy whatsoever, yet you northerners want us to view our president Museveni (a southerner) as the worst of the worst because of the conflict in the north, even though it is clear that Kony (a northerner) is responsible for most of the killing. You accuse us (southerners) of not showing enough concern and empathy. My simple response is this, i also care very much about my "poeple" and i also think that they deserve justice just as much as your "people" do, if you don't acknowledge my claim for justice for my people then don't bother asking me about yours. I'm sorry i have to put it that plainly but to me that is the stack reality. I am not one to beat about the bush, i see things as they are and say it as i see it. So don't bother playing games with me, i see it all and i'll continue callig it as it is...and don't bother bringing up things like "enjoy the blood of my people" with me, it just shows me how naive you are. From: Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:00:23 -0800 You cannot answer the question, is that true Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi? Again, here it is incase you missed it: provide alternative evidence [documented proofs: authors, publication, date, page numbers] to the contrary. Enjoy the blood of my people. Ochan Otim At 04:33 PM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: Mr. Ochan, what about Luwero, pandagari and all the other atrocities committe
RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony
Look Ochan, are you illiterate. I have already said (please read my posting CAREFULLY, this is the problem with people of your ilk, you see things in one dimension, a one way train gone amok), i have not denied that there were crimes comitted by NRA soldiers, indeed even the president admitted to the fact, but again as i stated earlier, these erring soldiers were dealt with...and i also said that this was in stack contrast to what your brother Obote (whos crimes don't seem to register on your radar screen, i guess to you every northerner is rightous), did to my people in the south where it is also clearly documented that well over 300, 000 human beings perished as a result of excesses of UNLA. YOUR BROTHER OBOTE IS LISTED AS A FUGITIVE (GO TO THIS HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH SITE FOR FURTHER DETAIL: http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/07/torturers072103-bck.htm). HE IS LISTED IN THE COMPANY OF THE LIKES OF BABY DOC, MAINGISTU AMONG OTHER NOTORIOUS EX-DICTATORS/KILLERS OF THE LAST CENTURY. The evidence on Obote and his crimes pales in contrast to the half-truths you posted against our President, most of which was dealt with (again most erring soldiers were dealt with). Has Obote ever criticized his lawless soldiers and tribes men for the atrocities they committed in the south? no. Did he ever try to solve the problem? no. Has Obote ever apologized for horrendous crimes that occured on his watch (most of which he sanctioned)? no. On the other hand did President Museveni acknowledge that there were some criminal elements within the ranks of NRA (and for that matter UPDF)? yes, did he take steps to solve the problem? yes (again erring soldiers were tried and punished). Has president Museveni ever apologized for some of the mis-adventures of govenment soldiers? yes, he has even apologized to people of the north for attrocities perpetuated on them by one of there own (Kony). Further more President Museveni is leading from the front, he is right now as we communicate in the north, seeing to the safety of notherners. I don't even think Obote ever visited luwero, to sympathize with the bereaved at the time. Instead he just sent more soldiers to kill. Mr. Ochan you have got to realise that we have our "people" too (it appears that is the kind of language you understand). Here is my argument with you fellows, i'll lay it out for you in very simple terms; to you northerners (and this is my recent observation, initially i never viewed this as a north/south problem), Obote never did anything wrong throghout his 10yrs in power (yet there is clear evidence at home and abroad to the contrary), if we as southerners express our obviously bad experience with Obote, you northerners see us as liers, you show no empathy whatsoever, yet you northerners want us to view our president Museveni (a southerner) as the worst of the worst because of the conflict in the north, even though it is clear that Kony (a northerner) is responsible for most of the killing. You accuse us (southerners) of not showing enough concern and empathy. My simple response is this, i also care very much about my "poeple" and i also think that they deserve justice just as much as your "people" do, if you don't acknowledge my claim for justice for my people then don't bother asking me about yours. I'm sorry i have to put it that plainly but to me that is the stack reality. I am not one to beat about the bush, i see things as they are and say it as i see it. So don't bother playing games with me, i see it all and i'll continue callig it as it is...and don't bother bringing up things like "enjoy the blood of my people" with me, it just shows me how naive you are. From: Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:00:23 -0800 You cannot answer the question, is that true Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi? Again, here it is incase you missed it: provide alternative evidence [documented proofs: authors, publication, date, page numbers] to the contrary. Enjoy the blood of my people. Ochan Otim At 04:33 PM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: Mr. Ochan, what about Luwero, pandagari and all the other atrocities committed by Obote and UPC, eehh!!!, those people who were killed in the south by Obote were not your "people" so you don't give a damn. It's only when a northerner dies that you know about your "people". You guys have to realise you are not dealing with foolish people, now you are pretending you care about your "people" and their "blood" if you care so much about them why don't you join the crusade to stop Kony...ohi'm sorry i forgotKony is your "brother" so it is okay for him to kill your "p
RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony
You cannot answer the question, is that true Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi? Again, here it is incase you missed it: provide alternative evidence [documented proofs: authors, publication, date, page numbers] to the contrary. Enjoy the blood of my people. Ochan Otim At 04:33 PM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: Mr. Ochan, what about Luwero, pandagari and all the other atrocities committed by Obote and UPC, eehh!!!, those people who were killed in the south by Obote were not your "people" so you don't give a damn. It's only when a northerner dies that you know about your "people". You guys have to realise you are not dealing with foolish people, now you are pretending you care about your "people" and their "blood" if you care so much about them why don't you join the crusade to stop Kony...ohi'm sorry i forgotKony is your "brother" so it is okay for him to kill your "people". From: Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:07:45 -0800 Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi: Since you have failed to prove that the quoted sources are inaccurate - essentially meaning the contents of the sources are accurate - here is a question for you to answer: "feel free to provide alternative evidence [documented proof: authors, publication, date, page numbers]." Failure to do so will simply put in the same category of others we have seen here since 1996. Unless you do so, the "nonsense" will rightfully belong to you. Enjoy the blood of my people. Ochan Otim At 09:21 AM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: Nonsense, your postings below are mainly based on writings from UPC supporters. No one doubts the at the tail end of the reberation war, some indisciplined NRA soldiers may have been over taken by emotions and commited some crimes, indeed the President accepted that fact and you conviniently left out the fact that most of the offending soldiers were prosecuted, those that were found guilty were either imprisoned or executed. This is in stack contrast to the UNLA under Obote, where soldiers killed, raped, stole at random and in broad day light and nothing got done about it. Secondly, UNLA is responsible for the deaths of hundreds and thousands of innocent people in Uganda, NRA never even came close to that, as i said most of the crimes commited by NRA soldiers were prosecuted and erring soldiers punished. All you have posted below, still does not answer you and your party's (UPC) allegation that Kony is part and parcel of UPDF, you are just trying (as usual) to divert attention from the main issue which is your allegation that Kony and LRA are state sponsored by the government of Uganda. Mr. Ochan unless you can show me evidence to that effect, all your communications are basically null and void and of no consequence. SHOW US THE LINK BETWEEN LRA AND GOVERNMENT. Thirdly, as far as i'm concerned there is no way anybody can justify what Kony and LRA are doing to the innocent people in the north. If your argument is that it is okay for northerners to lose there lives to Kony because NRA did x,y,z 14 years ago then you are as guilty as Kony and the LRA for the crimes that they are perpetuating on northerners. Mr. Ochan, Kony is a northerner killing northerners and devastating the north, now how can that be good for the north. Further more is your hatred of President Museveni so much that you are ready to openly endorse and support a person like Kony (a northerner), killing northerners and destroying the north? just to get one back on the President. I'm sorry i don't get it. From: Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:21:44 -0800 To Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi and others: This letter written by Ogenga Otunnu to Bwana Matovu a while ago on Ugandanet might explain this so-called pronouncement by Kony. To the best of my knowledge, Bwana Matovu did not answer. Ochan Otim --- Brother Lutimba Matovu, Here is a tentative response to your request for evidence that supports Prof. Ocan's observation. Ocan's observation focuses on three closely related issues: 1). That museveni and Kony are bed fellows. There are many ways of examining this issue. I will suggest only one: According to existing evidence, both men abducted, murdered and terrorized innocent people in their respective wars. Since there are numerous reports about the activities of Kony, I will provide a few evidence about Museveni's (I can also provide similar o
RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony
Mr. Ochan, what about Luwero, pandagari and all the other atrocities committed by Obote and UPC, eehh!!!, those people who were killed in the south by Obote were not your "people" so you don't give a damn. It's only when a northerner dies that you know about your "people". You guys have to realise you are not dealing with foolish people, now you are pretending you care about your "people" and their "blood" if you care so much about them why don't you join the crusade to stop Kony...ohi'm sorry i forgotKony is your "brother" so it is okay for him to kill your "people". From: Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:07:45 -0800 Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi: Since you have failed to prove that the quoted sources are inaccurate - essentially meaning the contents of the sources are accurate - here is a question for you to answer: "feel free to provide alternative evidence [documented proof: authors, publication, date, page numbers]." Failure to do so will simply put in the same category of others we have seen here since 1996. Unless you do so, the "nonsense" will rightfully belong to you. Enjoy the blood of my people. Ochan Otim At 09:21 AM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: Nonsense, your postings below are mainly based on writings from UPC supporters. No one doubts the at the tail end of the reberation war, some indisciplined NRA soldiers may have been over taken by emotions and commited some crimes, indeed the President accepted that fact and you conviniently left out the fact that most of the offending soldiers were prosecuted, those that were found guilty were either imprisoned or executed. This is in stack contrast to the UNLA under Obote, where soldiers killed, raped, stole at random and in broad day light and nothing got done about it. Secondly, UNLA is responsible for the deaths of hundreds and thousands of innocent people in Uganda, NRA never even came close to that, as i said most of the crimes commited by NRA soldiers were prosecuted and erring soldiers punished. All you have posted below, still does not answer you and your party's (UPC) allegation that Kony is part and parcel of UPDF, you are just trying (as usual) to divert attention from the main issue which is your allegation that Kony and LRA are state sponsored by the government of Uganda. Mr. Ochan unless you can show me evidence to that effect, all your communications are basically null and void and of no consequence. SHOW US THE LINK BETWEEN LRA AND GOVERNMENT. Thirdly, as far as i'm concerned there is no way anybody can justify what Kony and LRA are doing to the innocent people in the north. If your argument is that it is okay for northerners to lose there lives to Kony because NRA did x,y,z 14 years ago then you are as guilty as Kony and the LRA for the crimes that they are perpetuating on northerners. Mr. Ochan, Kony is a northerner killing northerners and devastating the north, now how can that be good for the north. Further more is your hatred of President Museveni so much that you are ready to openly endorse and support a person like Kony (a northerner), killing northerners and destroying the north? just to get one back on the President. I'm sorry i don't get it. From: Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:21:44 -0800 To Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi and others: This letter written by Ogenga Otunnu to Bwana Matovu a while ago on Ugandanet might explain this so-called pronouncement by Kony. To the best of my knowledge, Bwana Matovu did not answer. Ochan Otim --- Brother Lutimba Matovu, Here is a tentative response to your request for evidence that supports Prof. Ocan's observation. Ocan's observation focuses on three closely related issues: 1). That museveni and Kony are bed fellows. There are many ways of examining this issue. I will suggest only one: According to existing evidence, both men abducted, murdered and terrorized innocent people in their respective wars. Since there are numerous reports about the activities of Kony, I will provide a few evidence about Museveni's (I can also provide similar ones on Kony)a). Terror and massacres of Muslims in Ankole in June 1979 (Uganda Government, Report of the Commission of Inquiry into Violations of Human Rights:31). b). Abductions and assassinations of civilians (See, for a start, Amnesty International, Uganda (August 1981;1); AI, Uganda: Six
RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony
Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi: Since you have failed to prove that the quoted sources are inaccurate - essentially meaning the contents of the sources are accurate - here is a question for you to answer: "feel free to provide alternative evidence [documented proof: authors, publication, date, page numbers]." Failure to do so will simply put in the same category of others we have seen here since 1996. Unless you do so, the "nonsense" will rightfully belong to you. Enjoy the blood of my people. Ochan Otim At 09:21 AM 3/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: Nonsense, your postings below are mainly based on writings from UPC supporters. No one doubts the at the tail end of the reberation war, some indisciplined NRA soldiers may have been over taken by emotions and commited some crimes, indeed the President accepted that fact and you conviniently left out the fact that most of the offending soldiers were prosecuted, those that were found guilty were either imprisoned or executed. This is in stack contrast to the UNLA under Obote, where soldiers killed, raped, stole at random and in broad day light and nothing got done about it. Secondly, UNLA is responsible for the deaths of hundreds and thousands of innocent people in Uganda, NRA never even came close to that, as i said most of the crimes commited by NRA soldiers were prosecuted and erring soldiers punished. All you have posted below, still does not answer you and your party's (UPC) allegation that Kony is part and parcel of UPDF, you are just trying (as usual) to divert attention from the main issue which is your allegation that Kony and LRA are state sponsored by the government of Uganda. Mr. Ochan unless you can show me evidence to that effect, all your communications are basically null and void and of no consequence. SHOW US THE LINK BETWEEN LRA AND GOVERNMENT. Thirdly, as far as i'm concerned there is no way anybody can justify what Kony and LRA are doing to the innocent people in the north. If your argument is that it is okay for northerners to lose there lives to Kony because NRA did x,y,z 14 years ago then you are as guilty as Kony and the LRA for the crimes that they are perpetuating on northerners. Mr. Ochan, Kony is a northerner killing northerners and devastating the north, now how can that be good for the north. Further more is your hatred of President Museveni so much that you are ready to openly endorse and support a person like Kony (a northerner), killing northerners and destroying the north? just to get one back on the President. I'm sorry i don't get it. From: Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:21:44 -0800 To Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi and others: This letter written by Ogenga Otunnu to Bwana Matovu a while ago on Ugandanet might explain this so-called pronouncement by Kony. To the best of my knowledge, Bwana Matovu did not answer. Ochan Otim --- Brother Lutimba Matovu, Here is a tentative response to your request for evidence that supports Prof. Ocan's observation. Ocan's observation focuses on three closely related issues: 1). That museveni and Kony are bed fellows. There are many ways of examining this issue. I will suggest only one: According to existing evidence, both men abducted, murdered and terrorized innocent people in their respective wars. Since there are numerous reports about the activities of Kony, I will provide a few evidence about Museveni's (I can also provide similar ones on Kony)a). Terror and massacres of Muslims in Ankole in June 1979 (Uganda Government, Report of the Commission of Inquiry into Violations of Human Rights:31). b). Abductions and assassinations of civilians (See, for a start, Amnesty International, Uganda (August 1981;1); AI, Uganda: Six Years After Amin; Muwanga and Gombya, The Pearl of Africa is Bleeding). c). Attacks on civilian vehicles (See Africa Research Bulletin (Dec. 1-31, 1981: 6289BC). d). Massacres of civilians, while disguised as soldiers (Lance-Sera Muwanga, Violence in Uganda: What is Inside Museveni's Uganda; Muwanga and Gombya, The Pearl of Africa is Bleeding. See also what Kayira reported after a meeting with Museveni at the NRA command post in Luwero: "There were no less than 50 heads at a quick count. We found Museveni and the NRA soldiers inside the ring of human heads. He told us while pointing at the heads: 'You see those heads? That is how I deal with those who do not agree with me'" Cited in The Pearl of Africa is Bleeding. .e) Abductions and kidnapping (See "Uganda: The Fall of President Obote," Africa Confidential (I think, 1985) For similar acts of terror and atrocities since he seized power, see Ogenga Otunnu, "An Historical Analysis of the
RE: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony
Nonsense, your postings below are mainly based on writings from UPC supporters. No one doubts the at the tail end of the reberation war, some indisciplined NRA soldiers may have been over taken by emotions and commited some crimes, indeed the President accepted that fact and you conviniently left out the fact that most of the offending soldiers were prosecuted, those that were found guilty were either imprisoned or executed. This is in stack contrast to the UNLA under Obote, where soldiers killed, raped, stole at random and in broad day light and nothing got done about it. Secondly, UNLA is responsible for the deaths of hundreds and thousands of innocent people in Uganda, NRA never even came close to that, as i said most of the crimes commited by NRA soldiers were prosecuted and erring soldiers punished. All you have posted below, still does not answer you and your party's (UPC) allegation that Kony is part and parcel of UPDF, you are just trying (as usual) to divert attention from the main issue which is your allegation that Kony and LRA are state sponsored by the government of Uganda. Mr. Ochan unless you can show me evidence to that effect, all your communications are basically null and void and of no consequence. SHOW US THE LINK BETWEEN LRA AND GOVERNMENT. Thirdly, as far as i'm concerned there is no way anybody can justify what Kony and LRA are doing to the innocent people in the north. If your argument is that it is okay for northerners to lose there lives to Kony because NRA did x,y,z 14 years ago then you are as guilty as Kony and the LRA for the crimes that they are perpetuating on northerners. Mr. Ochan, Kony is a northerner killing northerners and devastating the north, now how can that be good for the north. Further more is your hatred of President Museveni so much that you are ready to openly endorse and support a person like Kony (a northerner), killing northerners and destroying the north? just to get one back on the President. I'm sorry i don't get it. From: Ochan Otim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Kony_M7 bedfellows, RE: Sunday Vision: Depopulate Acholiland, orders Kony Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:21:44 -0800 To Bwana Emmanuel Musaazi and others: This letter written by Ogenga Otunnu to Bwana Matovu a while ago on Ugandanet might explain this so-called pronouncement by Kony. To the best of my knowledge, Bwana Matovu did not answer. Ochan Otim --- Brother Lutimba Matovu, Here is a tentative response to your request for evidence that supports Prof. Ocan's observation. Ocan's observation focuses on three closely related issues: 1). That museveni and Kony are bed fellows. There are many ways of examining this issue. I will suggest only one: According to existing evidence, both men abducted, murdered and terrorized innocent people in their respective wars. Since there are numerous reports about the activities of Kony, I will provide a few evidence about Museveni's (I can also provide similar ones on Kony)a). Terror and massacres of Muslims in Ankole in June 1979 (Uganda Government, Report of the Commission of Inquiry into Violations of Human Rights:31). b). Abductions and assassinations of civilians (See, for a start, Amnesty International, Uganda (August 1981;1); AI, Uganda: Six Years After Amin; Muwanga and Gombya, The Pearl of Africa is Bleeding). c). Attacks on civilian vehicles (See Africa Research Bulletin (Dec. 1-31, 1981: 6289BC). d). Massacres of civilians, while disguised as soldiers (Lance-Sera Muwanga, Violence in Uganda: What is Inside Museveni's Uganda; Muwanga and Gombya, The Pearl of Africa is Bleeding. See also what Kayira reported after a meeting with Museveni at the NRA command post in Luwero: "There were no less than 50 heads at a quick count. We found Museveni and the NRA soldiers inside the ring of human heads. He told us while pointing at the heads: 'You see those heads? That is how I deal with those who do not agree with me'" Cited in The Pearl of Africa is Bleeding. .e) Abductions and kidnapping (See "Uganda: The Fall of President Obote," Africa Confidential (I think, 1985) For similar acts of terror and atrocities since he seized power, see Ogenga Otunnu, "An Historical Analysis of the Invasion of Rwanda," in Adelman and Suhrke, eds, The Path of a Genocide; Otunnu, "The Path of Genocide in Northern Uganda," Refuge, 17, 3 (1998); Uganda Law Society, Matters of Concern to Uganda Law Society (1990); AI, Deaths in the Countryside: Killings of Civilians by the Army (1990); AI. The Failure to Safeguard Human Rights (1992); Acholi Religious Leaders, Let My People Go (2001). See also Museveni's address to Langi and Acholi RCs and elders New Vision, March 28, 1994. In his address, he reluctantly pointed out that "Sometimes, our own in
