Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana
Mr. Matek, Yes, I beleive so, and the record supports this view (e.g. Uganda Argus, Transition, etc, etc). There is absolutely nothing wrong, illegal, immoral or subversive about vying or competing for political power. That is just one of the facets of democracy and democratic governance. Ibingira himself admits it in that same book -- and I have excerpted his admission of that fact on this very forum: he was involved in a legitimate struggle for political power within the UPC. Evidently Obote did not take kindly to this and went 'native'. A political opponent is not an enemy. Just look at how the recent rivals for nomination in the US Democratic Party (e.g. Gov. Dean, and the senator for NC) are closing ranks with the nominee, Sen. Kerry, in an attempt to defeat and unseat the republicans come November. Ssemakula Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:48:10 EST In a message dated 3/12/2004 10:30:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Minister of State of the UPC until he was unceremoniously arrested and detained without trial for about 5 years by your saint, Obote Ssemakula: Now let me ask you a simply question: being of sane mind, and capable of conducting concrete analysis, do you, Mr. ssemakulabelieve thatObote "arrest" and detainedIbingirafor five years without any cause what so ever? or could it be that the likes of Ibingira were engaged in subversiveclandestine nocturnal activity which weredetrimental to the state of Uganda Matek "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." - Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana
Lets not forget that beating, harrassing,imprisoning and even killing political opponents, real or imagined, were introduced to independent Uganda by one Milton Obote and his party, the UPC -- as was the involving of security forces (police army) in politics, as well as politicizing the civil service. Refer to Grace Ibingira's account of the Nakulabye Massacres. Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:42:36 EST We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana Email This Page Print This Page VisitThePublisher'sSite The Monitor (Kampala)March 10, 2004 Posted to the web March 10, 2004 Emmanuel N. Mugarura Elias Biryabarema The Parliamentary Advocacy Forum, Pafo, has accused State House of engineering the chaos in Jinja last Friday."We got information that certain State House operatives had been sent to Jinja to beat us," said Rukiga County MP, Jack Sabiiti, a member of the group. He accuses a senior member of Cabinet of co-ordinating the "thuggery" in Jinja. He said this yesterday during a Pafo press conference at Parliament after a mob of pro-government youths disrupted a workshop they had organised in Jinja.Some Pafo members, which group mainly comprises Members of Parliament opposed to a third term for President Museveni, were assaulted in the scuffle."We were beaten and pushed down the stairs, we were badly humiliated; they kept beating us to get out," said Ruhama MP, Augustine Ruzindana, who is also Pafo chairman.Ruzindana accused government of failure to protect people and MPs. "Where we have reached now, the democratisation process has stalled; everything is going back to zero," he said."If 50 MPs can't be allowed to talk; if MPs can't speak, who will speak? We are in real trouble, serious trouble," he added. Ruzindana warned that the days of tolerance could be over and the public should brace itself for the worst."The time when different views could be heard and tolerated is over; what is coming to all of us started in Jinja. You either tow the official line or you suffer," Ruzindana warned."What you have seen is not the last, it's the beginning, a lot more is coming," he said. Pafo also accused government of trying to humiliate Mr Eriya Kategaya in Jinja."We got information that they wanted to beat and embarrass Kategaya, they mistook me for him and I was beaten," Ruzindana alleged.Pafo used the same conference to dismiss President Museveni's reference to the opposition as empty tins. "We are not empty tins. We would like to assure the public that empty tins do not attract attention of people, why then should the president bother?" asked Ruzindana."Our methods are peaceful and we shall continue to show superior moral virtues," Ruzindana said. "That is the usual Museveni language, we shall not comment," he said.Fifteen MPs, including Maj. Gen Mugisha Muntu, of the East African Legislative Council, attended the press conference. However, the acting Presidential Press Secretary, Onapito Ekomoloit dismissed the claims as "diversionary.""Pafo is now very aware that their message is not selling and they are just trying to get at the President using all fictitious arguments," he said. "Not everyone who supports the President and NRM works in State House. It is like saying like that all Catholics are being sent by the Vatican," he argued. "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." - Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana
In a message dated 3/12/2004 1:04:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lets not forget that beating, harrassing, imprisoning and even killing political opponents, real or imagined, were introduced to independent Uganda by one Milton Obote and his party, the UPC -- as was the involving of security forces (police army) in politics, as well as politicizing the civil service. Refer to Grace Ibingira's account of the Nakulabye Massacres. Hey Ssemakula: Continue with your bull crap moaning and whimpering with your Ibingira thing! at the end of it all you will still be moaning over there in New York (or where ever you are hold up in your little cocoon) meanwhile the days of your man Yowesweri Kaguta ( the gun man) is Numbered. Like in a chess game, soon Kaguta will have no choice..but to make the only single move, he must make... and then his ASS WILL BE UP!!! matek "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." - Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister
Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana
In a message dated 3/12/2004 3:09:27 PM SA Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: meanwhile the days of your man Yowesweri Kaguta ( the gun man) is Numbered. Like in Mr Matako, I thought you made a similar statement ten years ago.What happened? or it is the usual congress language of "uncordinated troop movement"
RE: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana
Mwaami Ssemakula,you epitomize the adage:"The more things change,the more they remain the same!". History is there to help us not tripple on to the same potholes that our past took us through and thus makes us a better people. Your pathological distaste for Obote and the UPC makes your analysis of views very myopic and obscurantist and hence many well meaning people shun engaing you in serious debates for your analysis plateued out since to you all that happens in Uganda starts and ends with Obote!. Could you try reasoning outside that tube so that you become a leader rather than a mere manager?. Thank you. Kipenji. = Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana
Sorry mispelling the screen name for Milton,s man Mr Richard Topacho His name isMatek not Matako.
Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana
Kipenji: That is too much to ask of OMWANA WA GUNDI, sseruganda.. let the man roar his nonsense until thy Kingdom come Obote yooo!!!...Obote this Yooo!!!.. Obote that Yooo.. I hate Obote Yoohoo I am going to hung on a Tomato Tree Yooo.. Like we really give a Monkey's Behind!!! Will Just Out maneuver your [EMAIL PROTECTED] as Museveni out manouvered Kiyira's [EMAIL PROTECTED] that my friend is politics! Matek . In a message dated 3/12/2004 3:28:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mwaami Ssemakula,you epitomize the adage:"The more things change,the more they remain the same!". History is there to help us not tripple on to the same potholes that our past took us through and thus makes us a better people. Your pathological distaste for Obote and the UPC makes your analysis of views very myopic and obscurantist and hence many well meaning people shun engaing you in serious debates for your analysis plateued out since to you all that happens in Uganda starts and ends with Obote!. Could you try reasoning outside that tube so that you become a leader rather than a mere manager?. Thank you. Kipenji. "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." - Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister
Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana
In a message dated 3/12/2004 4:25:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr Matako, I thought you made a similar statement ten years ago.What happened? or it is the usual congress language of "uncordinated troop movement Aboyombo: Let me state for you in very clear terms, Taking out your man Yoweri Kaguta Museveni ( not that I recommend this option at this point) is as simple as putting a Bullet on the man's Bold head. ..that is not and has never been a problem. Indeed, if this is or was an option which we believe in, and I am sure you are very much aware of this fact (being an eso agent as you are) we have Museveni surround by our people. The UPC believes in conducting the affairs of our country in a peaceful manner. and not resort to violence or assassination attempts..like you the NRM believe in.. just as you got rid of KIYIIRA with a Bullet on the man's head!!! We believe that the Problems of our nations is way beyond Kaguta..Assasinating Kaguta..or getting rid of him through violent means will NOt necessarily solve the problems. .. thus the duration of time it has taken to deal with Kaguta.. That said, with the violence exhibited by the dictatorship, son there will be less options left!! Matek "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." - Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister
RE: [Ugandacom] Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana
Oh my oh my! Matekopoko, you have not minced your words in threatening to assassinate the president of Uganda on this forum. I am no cyber expert, but threatening a head of state, you might be criminlasing yourself and I hope I am wrong because I enjoy reading different views concerning Ugandas problems even when people are emotionally charged. Quotes from Matekopoko of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me state for you in very clear terms, Taking out your man Yoweri Kaguta Museveni ( not that I recommend this option at this point) is as simple as putting a Bullet on the man's Bold head. ..that is not and has never been a problem .My question Mr matekopoko, are you speaking from experience here? Indeed, if this is or was an option which we believe in, and I am sure you are very much aware of this fact (being an eso agent as you are) we have Museveni surround by our people This is scarily man That said, with the violence exhibited by the dictatorship, son there will be less options left!! Ladies and Gentlemen: remember where you read it first, it is from Matekopoko -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Ugandacom] Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana In a message dated 3/12/2004 4:25:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr Matako, I thought you made a similar statement ten years ago.What happened? or it is the usual congress language of uncordinated troop movement Aboyombo: Let me state for you in very clear terms, Taking out your man Yoweri Kaguta Museveni ( not that I recommend this option at this point) is as simple as putting a Bullet on the man's Bold head. ..that is not and has never been a problem. Indeed, if this is or was an option which we believe in, and I am sure you are very much aware of this fact (being an eso agent as you are) we have Museveni surround by our people. The UPC believes in conducting the affairs of our country in a peaceful manner. and not resort to violence or assassination attempts..like you the NRM believe in.. just as you got rid of KIYIIRA with a Bullet on the man's head!!! We believe that the Problems of our nations is way beyond Kaguta..Assasinating Kaguta..or getting rid of him through violent means will NOt necessarily solve the problems. .. thus the duration of time it has taken to deal with Kaguta.. That said, with the violence exhibited by the dictatorship, son there will be less options left!! Matek The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state. - Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ugandacom/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 1/28/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 1/28/2004
Re: [Ugandacom] Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana
Ed: Kuma Ya mama Yoko! How many of our people has Museveni Kirrdi and enjoyed over it with gee? Millions have died in Northern Uganda kirrudi by Kaguta.and now you are trying to pull some cheap propaganda shot on mwa. Like I said, it is not the intention of the UPC and other political players on the Uganda political landscape to resort to assassinationeven though Kaguta would not blink twice to Kill people. Museveni is showing the poeple of Uganda his true character..will daily NRM propagated wars in all throughout the country. Give the fool a rope with which to hang himself!! Matek In a message dated 3/12/2004 5:52:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh my oh my! Matekopoko, you have not minced your words in threatening to assassinate the president of Uganda on this forum. I am no cyber expert, but threatening a head of state, you might be criminlasing yourself and I hope I am wrong because I enjoy reading different views concerning Ugandas problems even when people are emotionally charged. "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." - Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister
RE: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana: --- (Kipenji)
Dr. Kipenji, I challenge you to substantiate and/or elaborate your statement about my supposed "pathological distaste for Obote and the UPC" with reference to a specific posting I have made on this forum regarding Obote and the UPC. Somehow, I get the feeling you'll come up short, in which case it will be fair to label you as a pathological liar who is also allergic to the truth. Ssemakula ps: notice how I included your original posting for easy reference and verification. Original Message Follows From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:25:00 + (GMT) Mwaami Ssemakula,you epitomize the adage:"The more things change,the more they remain the same!". History is there to help us not tripple on to the same potholes that our past took us through and thus makes us a better people. Your pathological distaste for Obote and the UPC makes your analysis of views very myopic and obscurantist and hence many well meaning people shun engaing you in serious debates for your analysis plateued out since to you all that happens in Uganda starts and ends with Obote!. Could you try reasoning outside that tube so that you become a leader rather than a mere manager?. Thank you. Kipenji. = - Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana
Mr. Matek, My reference was to Mr. Ibingira -- a formar Secretary General, LegalAdvisor, Minister of Justice, Minister of State of the UPC until he was unceremoniously arrested and detained without trial for about 5 years byyour saint, Obote -- was merely to point to an insider's view as to how Obote used coersion and unleashed brutality on Uganda's populace using the police, army and other security forces. Mr. Ibingira gives a very detailed account of just how Obote's insatiable hunger for power -- as illustrated by his favorite quote: it is better to lead in hell than to serve in heaven -- threw Uganda into the chaos that is costing lives in Uganda today, including your home area in Northern Uganda. (btw: do you the originalauthor of that quote?) If you have another version of events, by all means let us hear it, assuming you have no aversion to the plain truth. If you have any bones to pick, do it with Mr. Ibingira's book. I did not write it for him: I merely reported what one UPC senior insider say UPC works. Can you refute the statement I made that: "Lets not forget that beating, harrassing, imprisoning and even killing political opponents, real or imagined,were introduced to independent Uganda byone Milton Obote and his party, the UPC -- as was the involving of securityforces (police army) in politics, as well as politicizing the civil service."? Ssemakula Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:50:14 EST In a message dated 3/12/2004 1:04:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lets not forget that beating, harrassing, imprisoning and even killing political opponents, real or imagined,were introduced to independent Uganda by one Milton Obote and his party, the UPC -- as was the involving of security forces (police army) in politics, as well as politicizing the civil service. Refer to Grace Ibingira's account of the Nakulabye Massacres. Hey Ssemakula: Continue with your bull crap moaning and whimperingwith your Ibingira thing! at the end of it all you will still be moaning over there in New York (or where ever you arehold up in your littlecocoon) meanwhile the days of your man Yowesweri Kaguta ( the gun man) is Numbered.Like in a chess game, soon Kaguta will have no choice..but to make the only single move, he must make... and thenhis ASS WILL BE UP!!! matek "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the pe ople from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." - Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana
In a message dated 3/12/2004 10:30:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Minister of State of the UPC until he was unceremoniously arrested and detained without trial for about 5 years by your saint, Obote Ssemakula: Now let me ask you a simply question: being of sane mind, and capable of conducting concrete analysis, do you, Mr. ssemakula believe that Obote "arrest" and detained Ibingira for five years without any cause what so ever? or could it be that the likes of Ibingira were engaged in subversive clandestine nocturnal activity which were detrimental to the state of Uganda Matek "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." - Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister
Re: ugnet_: We Were Beaten By State House - Ruzindana
In a message dated 3/12/2004 10:30:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you have another version of events, by all means let us hear it, assuming you have no aversion to the plain truth. If you have any bones to pick, do it with Mr. Ibingira's book. I did not write it for him: I merely reported what one UPC senior insider say UPC works. No way dudu...I ain't going to pick any bones, so to say , with Ibingira's book, as you put. Ibingira was a disillusioned reactionary who was up to no good. You type can quote him all you want. Matek "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." - Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister
