Ain

2002-12-19 Thread Doug Ewell
I just noticed, in the WG2 character charts for Amendment 2 of Part 1,
that U+1D25 is called LATIN LETTER AIN but U+1D5C is MODIFIER LETTER
SMALL AIN.  Where did the word SMALL come from?  All the other modifier
letters are called CAPITAL or SMALL (or both) to denote the case of the
underlying letter, not to point out that a modifier letter is smaller
than a normal letter.

If U+1D25 is to be LATIN LETTER AIN -- not CAPITAL or SMALL -- then a
more consistent name for U+1D5C would be MODIFIER LETTER AIN.

-Doug Ewell
 Fullerton, California





Re: Precomposed Tibetan

2002-12-19 Thread Andrew C. West
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:48:05 -0800 (PST), Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin wrote:

 
 Am I just clueless or it should be U+0308 instead of U+00A8? (Checks
 U0080.pdf...) Hm, even Homer dozed sometimes... :-)

Oops !




Status of Unihan Mandarin readings?

2002-12-19 Thread Marco Cimarosti
I have tried to follow the discussion about the errors in field kMandarin
of file Unihan.txt but, after a while, I lost my way with all those
dictionary references...

Could someone kindly make a short summary of the situation? Here are my
biggest ???'s:

- Are the errors really there?
- Any estimate as to how many entries are affected?
- Is it only kMandarin affected or also any other fields?
- Any estimates for when it will be possible publish a fixed version?
- Any suggestion for interim work-arounds (e.g., an older version of the
file, an alternative source)?

Thanks in advance.

_ Marco




Re: Status of Unihan Mandarin readings?

2002-12-19 Thread Andrew C. West
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 04:58:08 -0800 (PST), Marco Cimarosti wrote:

 
 I have tried to follow the discussion about the errors in field kMandarin
 of file Unihan.txt but, after a while, I lost my way with all those
 dictionary references...
 
 Could someone kindly make a short summary of the situation? Here are my
 biggest ???'s:

Here's my take on the situation :

 
 - Are the errors really there?

Yes.

 - Any estimate as to how many entries are affected?

I estimate about 10% of basic CJK, in other words 2,000+

 - Is it only kMandarin affected or also any other fields?

I don't think any other fields are affected.

 - Any estimates for when it will be possible publish a fixed version?

I'll let Mr. Jenkins answer that one.

 - Any suggestion for interim work-arounds (e.g., an older version of the
 file, an alternative source)?

Use the Unihan database for Unicode 3.0 at
http://www.unicode.org/Public/3.0-Update/Unihan-3.txt

This is the latest uncorrupted version.

Hope this clarifies the situation.

Andrew




Re: Ain

2002-12-19 Thread Michael Everson
At 23:23 -0800 2002-12-18, Doug Ewell wrote:

I just noticed, in the WG2 character charts for Amendment 2 of Part 1,
that U+1D25 is called LATIN LETTER AIN but U+1D5C is MODIFIER LETTER
SMALL AIN.  Where did the word SMALL come from?


Oh, I probably pasted it in when making the names list.


All the other modifier letters are called CAPITAL or SMALL (or both) 
to denote the case of the underlying letter, not to point out that a 
modifier letter is smaller than a normal letter.

True.


If U+1D25 is to be LATIN LETTER AIN -- not CAPITAL or SMALL -- then a
more consistent name for U+1D5C would be MODIFIER LETTER AIN.


You should have made that comment through your L2 before the last 
ballot closed. It is too late to change this. Sorry.
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography *  * http://www.evertype.com



Re: h in Greek epigraphy

2002-12-19 Thread Michael Everson
Recently I saw a piece of epigraphical Greek, and while Latin h was 
written in the transliteration, the letter used in the actual Greek 
was ETA.
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography *  * http://www.evertype.com



RE: h in Greek epigraphy

2002-12-19 Thread David J. Perry

Scripsit Michael Everson:

 Recently I saw a piece of epigraphical Greek, and while Latin h was 
 written in the transliteration, the letter used in the actual Greek 
 was ETA.

Yes; that is the whole point here.  In all variants of the Greek
alphabet except the Ionic, eta stood for the h sound as in English
(hence the equivalent shapes of Eta and H, since it was some western
form of the Greek alphabet that was apparently carried to Italy).  After
the Ionic alphabet was officially adopted at Athens, eta became used for
long e in subsequent standardized Greek writing.  Epigraphers need to
indicate when they are transcribing into lowercase form, or
transliterating, an Eta that was intended to represent the h sound and
have adopted the Roman lc h as the means for doing so.

David






Re: Ain

2002-12-19 Thread Doug Ewell
Michael Everson everson at evertype dot com wrote:

 If U+1D25 is to be LATIN LETTER AIN -- not CAPITAL or SMALL -- then
 a more consistent name for U+1D5C would be MODIFIER LETTER AIN.

 You should have made that comment through your L2 before the last
 ballot closed. It is too late to change this. Sorry.

Oh well, I only noticed it 24 hours ago (and apparently nobody else
noticed it at all).  In any case, it's hardly a critical error -- the
name isn't strictly wrong, or particularly confusing.

-Doug Ewell
 Fullerton, California





23rd Internationalization and Unicode Conference - March 2003 - Prague, CzechRepublic

2002-12-19 Thread Lisa Moore




Calling all Unicoders...we are now ready for your registration for the
Spring Unicode Conference in
Prague!  Take a look at the program, there's travel and hotel info
available, as well.

Hope you can join us as we expand the conference focus, renamed as the
Internationalization and
Unicode Conference.

Best regards,

Lisa

Twenty-third Internationalization and Unicode Conference (IUC23)
 Unicode, Internationalization, the Web: The Global Connection
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