RE: Compelling Unicode demo
I find IE 5.5 displays it well. I use Netscape 4.7 which has trouble with Hebrew among other things. If you use another browser, I would be interested in reports on which ones work well. (Don't bother to tell me which ones don't work.) Indeed, this looks pretty cool. IE 6.0 also displays it very fine while Opera 5.11 does not (at least with default settings). It crashed when I tried to modify some language settings. Netscape 6 also displays the page correctly (including Inukitut, Ethiopic etc. text). Ciao, Mike -- www.lischke-online.de www.delphi-unicode.net
RE: microsoft font link
Chris, You don't have to remove your link. It would be nice if you remind people that this is not a free download and is intended for customers of Publisher (after all, it cost us a lot of our Office multilingual development budget to license it and MonoType should also have the right to license it to others to recoup their investment - this font is far more expensive than typical fonts) Thank you for clarification. I added the link because I believe the font is the best (and most complete) font currently publicly available. I will add also a note that people should read the EULA before downloading. Ciao, Mike
Unicode library (was: microsoft font link)
1) It seems to me that Persian transcription of Unicode (in the very first running string of this site) is written wrong. Thank you for pointing this out. Photoshop 5 does not support Unicode, so I had to construct the image by other means and in this process there must something have gone wrong. 2) Does this library support calls to Uniscribe? The decision process is not yet finished, although I tend to link with Uniscribe in future versions, because Uniscribe is not available under Linux and there my lib would then not work. I'm not yet sure how important Linux is for me, if you know what I mean :o] Ciao, Mike
RE: microsoft font link
The font Arial Unicode MS is not free for download. You must be a licensed user of an Office Family product from the 2000 or XP generation. If you have Office2000 or OfficeXp, Arial Unicode MS comes on the CD of the product. If you have Publisher2000, you can go to http://office.microsoft.com and download the font as an update to Publisher 2000. However on the download page: http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/aruniupd.aspx there is neither a disclaimer nor anything else which indicates that the use of the font is not free. I have linked to that page from my Unicode site www.delphi-unicode.net. Is this illegal? Shall I remove the link? Or is it enough to indicate that it is not free? Ciao, Mike
RE: UTF-8 on this list
Mike, Long after upgrading to Win2K, setting up all my fonts, and testing everything, I've come to a conclusion: there are darn few Unicode text messages on the Unicode mail list (i.e. characters are referred to by codepoint, but the character itself is never included). While I basically agree I want to remind you that firstly not everyone might have the necessary font installed to view the particular character and secondly, often there are discussions about not yet defined characters or very new releases (e.g. as with UCD 3.1) so there cannot be a font already carrying the necessary characters. Ciao, Mike
RE: The Unicode Standard, Version 4.0
Open the form attached to this mail and be the first one to take advantage of the new mechanism to propose Unicode characters. ROFL, excellent :o] In particular step 5 should be made required instead optional. Ciao, Mike
[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists
Hello Florian, Yahoo Groups has ads by default (unless you pay a monthly fee for list hosting), and some people do not trust the privacy policy of such organizations. Yes, I know. I'm subscribed to 9 YG mailing lists and manage another 4 on my own. It is a piece of cake and there is a lot of features which should satisfy most needs. Particularly every subscriber can decide whether to receive direct eMail (plain text or HTML), daily digest or web only (no mail). You can have alternative eMail addresses to post from without getting a message for every eMail (I need this because I have to post from two different mail accounts). In addition to the features I already mentioned you get statistics, a shared calender, a database (web based tables with templates for FAQs, phone books, Recipes list etc.) and a boomarks section for sharing interesting bookmarks. In addition, it doesn't look too well if you cannot run your own lists. I mean, you can't imagine that the Unicode web site moves over to GeoCities, can you? ;-) The web server of course not, but the mailing list? To be honest it doesn't look so good as it is now. For every reply I have to edit the receiver, there is no complete archive, I cannot post from every place I would like to etc. But this is all technical. The competence of many subscribers here, however, is excellent and I much appreciate to be allowed to listen at all. An important part (and certainly the most time-consuming after the initial setup) is tracing bounces and removing bogus subscriptions. I don't think Yahoo does this for you. No, there are 4 main pages for managing members (every page is sortable by name or join date). One for general management, one for pending members (if approvement is required), one for bouncing members and one for banned members. Tonight I had three bouncing members in one of my lists. I managed them while I did the lookup to give correct information in this eMail. It think nobody has time to waste, so why doing it voluntary? Ciao, Mike
[unicode] Re: Benefits of Unicode
Otto, This page has been moved to: http://www.geocities.com/i18nguy/UnicodeBenefits.html. There is a small mistake in the table. Microsoft is mentioned twice in the "Widespread industry support..." row. Ciao, Mike
[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists
I see that the list software now appends [unicode] to all subject lines. This is very annoying, and not very useful, since those who wish to filter their mail and put posts from this list in a folder of its own etc. etc. can now do so by using other headers, such as "X-list: unicode" . Why don't you use the mailing list address as filter criterion? Works fine regardless of any subject line. Ciao, Mike
[unicode] Re: Moving mail lists
Hi Christopher, To my mind the Unicode web ftp servers mean that a separate file area just for this mailing list would be pretty well redundant - and I suspect most people subscribed to this list have much better things to do than to participate in chat rooms and polls (and I can't see what benefit they'd be). Yes, yes and yes. These were only examples, not meant as convincing arguments. Although I have a very bad stand with my complains about the technical side of this mailing list, I still have the hope to get some support by other subscribers. Having managed a number of lists myself in the past, I find it's usually more work and more time consuming to maintain a list through a web interface than it is to send command messages to a list server - and a lot of subscribers find the little advertisements Yahoo attaches to messages irritating. I agree with the ads-issue but you will get used with that little four-liner. Many people have a longer signature (also on this list). Managing through web or "command line" is a matter of taste and cannot be discussed. While Yahoo groups may have a powerful server and backbone the amount of traffic on that server and backbone means that it would not necessarily be any faster than the current set-up. Also agreed. I want to point out that their servers are at least as reliable as the one currently used for this list. BTW, out of curiosity, do you know if Yahoo Groups supports non-roman script messages? - If so, what character encodings formats does it support? I have to admit I don't know. I have never cared about character encodings used with YG. Because of the Unicode list I have switched to UTF8 encoding for all my mails (sent in plain text) and they reach the receiver unaltered. Optionally you have HTML with all the well known character encodings if necessary (although I prefer plain text and be it only for security reasons). Ciao, Mike PS: I sent two test mails one after another to one of mailing lists (to test the encoding) and received them already but I still have not received my first mail to the Unicode list. But I guess this half-an-hour delay has to do with the server change, isn't it?
FW: extracting words
Yes, we have had it for a long time; no, nobody has solved it entirely; and yes, this approach is wrong. Breaking a string into words may require a thorough understanding of the vocabulary and grammar of the language, and even that may not be enough. But how can we then ever have a reliable word-break algorithm? It cannot be that, say, for a simple editor (be it written in Java or whatever) you have to supply a database with language specific details just to do automatic word wrap. Ciao, Mike
algorithm to shorten a string
Hi all, does anybody have a description of an algorithm to shorten a Unicode string to a particular width? What I want is to implement the DT_END_ELLIPSIS functionality of the DrawTextW Windows API also for Win9x and Linux. The implementation I have so far works quite well except that it might lead to wrong strings because formerly inner letters can become final letters which can be of totally different form as we know. Additionally, where are the usual three points to be drawn for right-to-left strings, on the left of the string or still on the right? Ciao, Mike Dipl. Ing. Mike Lischke Senior software developer -- Homepage: http://www.lischke-online.de GraphicEx: http://www.lischke-online.de/Graphics.html Virtual Treeview: http://www.lischke-online.de/VirtualTreeview.html Unicode Edit and library: http://www.lischke-online.de/Unicode.html
RE: PDUTR #27: Unicode 3.1
Hi Peter, The workings of UTF16 are well known and clearly defined on p. 45, section 3.7 of TUS3.0, specifically in definition D28. (Available online at http://www.unicode.org/unicode/uni2book/ch03.pdf.) Excellent. I have recently downloaded the files but had not yet the opportunity to look through them. Perhaps I will prefer the book, though, as soon as I have my copy... These are the kinds of issues Mark Davis discussed in his "Bits of Unicode" presentation at the last Unicode conference (IUC 17). See http://www.unicode.org/iuc/iuc17/papers.html and look for session B3. Well, I never would have come to the idea to look through the conference papers. Thank you for these hints. Unfortunately the link does not work. But somehow I found http://members-proxy-2.mmbrprxy.home.net/markdavis34/ which seems to be a good start point for Mark's homepage :-) Ciao, Mike Dipl. Ing. Mike Lischke Senior software developer -- Homepage: http://www.lischke-online.de GraphicEx: http://www.lischke-online.de/Graphics.html Virtual Treeview: http://www.lischke-online.de/VirtualTreeview.html Unicode Edit and library: http://www.lischke-online.de/Unicode.html
Re: PDUTR #27: Unicode 3.1
Proposed Draft Unicode Technical Report #27: Unicode 3.1 is now available at http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr27/ Please take a look at it and report any problems you may find. It is approximately 60 pages long. I had a quick look at it and got a question which you might be able to answer. Windows cannot display UTF 32 characters, AFAIK Linux does not either. So which common operating system can actually display UTF 32? Mike Lischke RD Senior software engineer PS: It seems that the that reply address in this mailing list is set to the original author instead the list itself. This is quite useless and requires manually edit of the target address when posting a reply. Could we please change the settings for this list so that the list address is by default the reply address? Thank you very much.
FW: replay address (was: PDUTR #27: Unicode 3.1)
-Original Message- From: R.C. Bakhuizen van den Brink [Rein] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 12:03 PM To: Mike Lischke Subject: Re: PDUTR #27: Unicode 3.1 On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Mike Lischke wrote: Mike Lischke RD Senior software engineer PS: It seems that the that reply address in this mailing list is set to the original author instead the list itself. This is quite useless and requires manually edit of the target address when posting a reply. Could we please change the settings for this list so that the list address is by default the reply address? Thank you very much. I fully agree, gtx, Rein
