date:20070727

Now that I've had an opportunity to look at the picture I remember what that
event was. I'm still frosted that after asking for community support to get
them in the building, the welcome party was tailored only to people who
could drink beer at 5 in the afternoon (i.e. not family friendly).

Hope the beer was good ...


On 7/25/07, Ross Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyhow, there's a photo of a leering Kyle Cassidy hoisting a brew on page
 9. Don't know if he's gonna sue, but if I were he I would seriously consider
 it.

Re: [UC] How do you join the list?

2007-07-27 Thread Cindy Miller

Well, in all fairness to Roger, this tagline doesn't always appear (for 
me, at least) on all posts...don't know why


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On Friday, July 27, 2007, at 10:27 AM, B Andersen wrote:


Have you never read the bottom of the posts? ;-)
 
http://www.purple.com/list.html


 
On 7/27/07, Vincent/Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a friend who might wish to join the list.  I've tried to warn 
him about the dire consequences, but he seems determined to go ahead.  
How is it done?

Roger

Re: [UC] Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head

2007-07-27 Thread BTILLEY1

I supported Dock Street too.   I went to the party cause I wanted  to see how 
they might have altered the space, and because I hoped to try  some of their 
cooking.  I tasted a teensy bit of 2 kinds of beer, I  mean teensy, cause I'm 
not a drinker, just wanted to learn which beer was  the the more interesting 
one.   I asked for and was  given  a big cup of diet coke, which was checked by 
the ucd  guards as I exited the place, to be sure I wasn't taking beer with  
me.There were children there, but as Melani said, they might  not have 
been having fun.  I don't think it was an appropriate  event for children.  I 
left early because the party was too  noisy and crowded for me.
 
  Barbara Tilley



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[UC] How do you join the list?

2007-07-27 Thread Vincent/Roger

I have a friend who might wish to join the list.  I've tried to warn him about 
the dire consequences, but he seems determined to go ahead.  How is it done?
Roger

Re: [UC] Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head

2007-07-27 Thread Frank

Is it just me or does anyone else think bringing children to the  
opening of a business whose main purpose is brewing and selling beer  
is inappropriate in the first place?


Also, does every business that asks for community support need to be  
family-friendly?


Frank

On Jul 27, 2007, at 11:13 AM, B Andersen wrote:

Okay, admittedly, I'm feeling crotchity today, but I'm copying the  
announcement that was sent out about the event. It clearly said 21  
and over.


I will dwell on Kyle and his beer no more.

On 2/14/07, CPN Membership [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
THIS IS A LIST MESSAGE - PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL
--
Dear CPN Members,

The proprietors of the upcoming Dock Street Brewery and Restaurant,  
along with the University City District, would like to invite all  
of you to a Before Party on Wednesday, February 28th, from 5:30  
to 7:30 pm, at the Firehouse, 701 South 50th Street (see the  
attached flyer).


Many of you pitched in to help support Dock Street in its efforts  
to open at the Firehouse, so come celebrate the beginning of  
construction and get a taste (literally) of what to expect when the  
restaurant opens later this year. The Illuminator, Dock Street's  
famous double-bock beer, will be served. For this reason, the event  
will be only for neighbors 21 and over.


Hope to see you there,

Cedar Park Neighbors,
http://www.cedarparkneighbors.org


On 7/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 7/27/07 10:28:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now that I've had an opportunity to look at the picture I remember  
what that event was. I'm still frosted that after asking for  
community support to get them in the building, the welcome party  
was tailored only to people who could drink beer at 5 in the  
afternoon ( i.e. not family friendly).


Hope the beer was good ...


Bruce, there were plenty of kids there, and I think there were  
nonalcoholic drinks too.  There was something other than beer; I  
didn't get anything to drink, so I forget what.  I'm not a beer  
drinker, but I enjoyed the event.  They hadn't even begun to turn  
the building into a restaurant, so they had no kitchen and couldn't  
serve much!  It was a standing event, not sit down at tables.  Your  
kids would have been welcome, but it was crowded, so they might not  
have enjoyed it.  And it wasn't only at 5 p.m.; it went on for a  
couple of hours.


Melani

[UC] Re: Baltimore Ave: Special Enforcement Area

A couple of people have emailed me offlist to ask, What's a special
enforcement zone? I am not sure ... but I did a google search on special
traffic enforcement
zonehttp://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=special+traffic+enforcement+zone%252C+philadelphiabtnG=Search.
The first document is from The* National Campaign to Stop Red Light
Running*http://stopredlightrunning.com
.

My basic understanding is that it is an area of increased police enforcement
and stiffer penalties.

Does anyone else really know, I am new to this one ...

On 7/26/07, B Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I was walking across Springfield Avenue this evening where it intersects
with Baltimore. I had with me, my 3 yr old and 6 yr old sons and was pushing
the six month old in the stroller. While we were about a third of the way
across the intersection, I stopped because some woman in an H3 came roaring
westward on Baltimore and didn't look like she was going to stop. Well she
didn't and made the left and turn about five feet in front of me. At the
same time another woman in and SUV did a rolling stop about five feet behind
me.

Fortunately, members of the 18th District saw what was going on and pulled
over the woman in the H3 by the Sunoco. As I passed by I heard them telling
her that because Baltimore Avenue is now a special enforcement zone, the
fine and the points were increased.

Does anyone know when Baltimore Avenue became a special enforcement zone?

http://www.phillyblog.com/philly/showthread.php?p=540319#post540319

Re: [UC] Diddy's Amish Roots


Ross Bender wrote:

OK, dude, I'll be picketing that reception, and handing out literature about
the REAL Mennonites.

The title is just ridiculous. It would be as if some jerk had a gallery show
called The Jews and showed photos of Lubavitcher Hassidim from Brooklyn.
That is to say:

Hassidim:Jews :: Old Colony Mennonites: Mennonites

If you have anything to do with this show, I strongly advise you to retitle
it, because I'm gonna be there telling the artist and anybody else who's
listening that this is a ridiculous insult to Mennonites, and maybe breaking
some heads. Just for your information, I can count off on the top of my head
half a dozen Mennonites who have received Ph.D.'s from Penn within the last
20 years, and another dozen who have doctorates from REAL Ivy League
schools. Ahem. Although Mennonites are related to these bizarre backward
splinter groups and even the Amish, who seem to be fodder for every dorky
late night comedian, or so my TV-watching sister informs me, we mainstream
Mennonites are BAD. The Dean of the Harvard Medical School is one, jist for
instance, although I don't like to advertise that place a whole lot.

Damn, the more I think about this, the upsetter I get.

As everybody on this list should know, we have a real Mennonite church right
here in West Philly -- meets at the Calvary Center at 9:00am Sunday
mornings, right after milking time and chores. We're so advanced that we're
installing a lady pastor next month. Admittedly, we're not as up to date as
yer Presbyterians, Methodists and Lutherans -- for example, some of us don't
have cars and TVs, and we're downright backward when it comes to being suave
and debonair about any kind of sex outside marriage - but we plan to have a
seminar this fall on whether the Bible teaches that masturbation is godly or
not.

For more information, check out The Anabaptist Vision on the Columbia
University alumni website, while I go and slop the hogs.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/alumni/connection/connect/mycu/2666.html




cool your jets, ross! I know you're always dying to point 
out to the class how there are mennonites, and then there 
are MENNONITES, but this show explains all that, and places 
the people depicted in the photos in context (historical, 
geographical, cultural, religious).


the title is larry towell's title, same as his book which 
has been out since 2000 (http://tinyurl.com/24k2km) and his 
traveling exhibit (http://art2art.org/exhibit_towell.htm)


towell's lived with these people and traveled with them and 
has been allowed into their lives to photograph them. I 
think it would be cool if you arranged to have a big public 
discussion with him about the whole issue of photographing 
others, presenting other cultures -- I've been interested in 
that subject for a long long time (I've worked on exhibits 
for any number of anthropological/archaeological museums and 
galleries) and I'd highly recommend:


  Exhibiting Cultures: The Poetics and Politics of
 Museum Display, ed. Karp and Levine (1991; Smithsonian)

it's a subject with no easy answers, and it's why, even 
today, a concert in a park can be political to some, art to 
others.


so if you want to break some heads, ross, go for it (but 
with seminars, not pickets!)



- - - - -

meanwhile, ross, you like to talk about real mennonites here 
in west philly, but you never once told us how linford 
martin, owner of the firehouse, worked out the deal with ucd 
and rosemarie certo to have dock street installed there. did 
he meet with rosemarie certo before or after he told the 
existing vendors to vacate? did this all happen before or 
after ucd stepped into the picture?



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Re: [UC] Diddy's Amish Roots

On 7/27/07, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 meanwhile, ross, you like to talk about real mennonites here
 in west philly, but you never once told us how linford
 martin, owner of the firehouse, worked out the deal with ucd
 and rosemarie certo to have dock street installed there. did
 he meet with rosemarie certo before or after he told the
 existing vendors to vacate? did this all happen before or
 after ucd stepped into the picture?


If you're curious, I suggest you ask Linford. He can usually be found in the
Mennonite service, BEGINNING AT 9:00AM ON SUNDAYS IN THE CALVARY CENTER --
EVERYBODY WELCOME.

Anyhow, I wrote about this in the prequel Stealth Mennonites, which has
been available on my website since sometime in 2004, but if you can't lift a
finger to click the link, here are the first several paragraphs:

*

STEALTH MENNONITES
*



Summer, 2004. University City lay in ruins. Stealth Mennonites roamed the
streets, many of them invisible to the naked eye. Cherry Ramsbottom, after a
brilliant ten-year run as President of the Varsity, had gone off to
Langleyto become Director of Central Intelligence after George Tenet's
ignominious
resignation. While acknowledging that she had not quite managed to
make University
City the hip and trendy venue to rival Harvard Square for which she had once
hoped, she bravely maintained in her farewell speech that she had done as
much as any mortal human could have.



When I came, the place was a fucking shambles. I came, I saw, and I built a
brand new school for the little Negro chilluns. I put an Ann Taylor Loft and
a fancy hotel on University Square. Hell, I put up the sign *designating* it
University Square. An Urban Outfitters, a Barnes and Noble, a Cosi fan
Tutti, and hey, don't forget the Chocolate Guy. Crime on the
Baltimorecorridor has dropped by 72%. Suburban soccer moms no longer
call up the
admissions office inquiring 'Is it safe?' Penn went from being a
laughingstock, the 'Bottom of the Ivies', to being a world-class university
and shopping mall. We're a Destination, for God's sake. There may be a
little shit left on the sidewalk in West Philadelphia, but hell, how long
did it take Hercules to clean out the Augean Stables?



In fact, a remarkable survey done by the Fecal Matter Inspection Committee
of the Friends of Clark Park undertaken in August proved definitively that
the Bowl was no longer a destination for doggie do. While off-leash pitbulls
and Rottweilers continued to savage young children and old ladies in the
Park, the volume of manure deposited there had dropped precipitously during
the Ramsbottom administration. Dog owners, for whatever reason, were letting
their beasts defecate in their own front yards, or perhaps their neighbors',
rather than taking the trouble to drive them to the Bowl to do their
business.



Among her many achievements, at a humble and insignificant slot down at the
bottom of a rather long list, Cherry Ramsbottom listed the importation of
Mennonites into West Philadelphia. Like Catherine the Great before her, who
invited Mennonite farmers from Germany to settle the Ukranian lands recently
vacated by the Ottoman Turks, Ramsbottom, or at any rate her sub-provosts,
recognized the industriousness of these quaint people and their utility in
nicing down rough frontier areas.



The Mennonite coffee-house, the Green Line, at 43rd and Baltimore was only
the first step in what would become a fruitful partnership between the
Varsity and these quaint, gentle, hobbit-like folk. Over the decade the
hallowed Philadelphia institution of the Farmers' Market had experienced a
resurgence. Mennonite and Amish farmers from Lancaster County had for many
years brought their organic foods, free-range chickens, and shoofly pies to
market in the big city. The Reading Terminal Market downtown was a showcase
for the picturesque Amishmen with their grey beards, and their dumpy spouses
in shapeless cape dresses and white head coverings.



But now, on Thursdays and on Saturdays, but mostly on the latter days, the
Plain People set up their stands and marketed their wares in Clark Park. An
enterprising poultry vendor, Amish Dan the Barbecue Man, even went so far as
to launch a barbecue operation in Cedar Park, roasting hundreds of chickens
a day, the fragrant but robust odors diffusing among the  slums and ghetto
alleys and pulling in the customers, until one day he got busted in a
routine LI sweep of the Baltimore Corridor.



Fortunately, a young Mennonite had just acquired the Firehouse Farmer's
Market at 50th St, and he brought Amish Dan in from the cold.



The Firehouse had been an actual, functioning fire station back around the
turn of the century, with horse-drawn fire engines and stalls for the
livestock. In the 1980s a coalition of enterprising neighbors had rehabbed
the sturdy brick structure and turned it into an urban market, with a lunch
counter, butcher and produce stand.



Under the ministrations of Yoney Stoltzfus,

[UC] Dock Street and other eateries [was: Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head]

2007-07-27 Thread MLamond


In a message dated 7/27/07 11:50:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Is it just me or does anyone else think bringing children to the opening of 
 a business whose main purpose is brewing and selling beer is inappropriate 
 in the first place?
 
 Also, does every business that asks for community support need to be 
 family-friendly?
 
 Frank
 
Dock Street's food specialty will be PIZZA.   People of all ages, including 
children, will want to eat there.   It really will be for everybody.   Though 
you have a good point about not everything needing to be family-friendly.   
In my business, we have to be careful about how we even use the word family, 
since it may suggest that we are including only, or excluding, other 
individuals.   

Speaking of eateries, I'm still looking for just the right one for my 1500 sf 
commercial space at 4800 Baltimore Ave.   Has anyone on the list always had a 
dream of opening a restaurant?   And it would help if you're a good cook, and 
if you have the resources to build a kitchenor maybe you have a friend 
who'd like to do this?   I get phone calls all the time about the space, but 
many folks want to turn it into something that will not be a lively (as in 
Jane 
Jacobs' Death  Life of Great American Cities) use on our Baltimore Avenue 
main streetcontractor's office, studio space, social services, day 
careall commendable endeavors, but we are looking for a restaurantemail 
me off 
list.

Melani Lamond



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Urban  Bye, Realtor
3529 Lancaster Ave.
Philadelphia, PA 19104
cell phone 215-356-7266
office phone 215-222-4800, ext. 113
office fax 215-222-1101



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Re: [UC] Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head

Okay, admittedly, I'm feeling crotchity today, but I'm copying the
announcement that was sent out about the event. *It clearly said 21 and
over.*

I will dwell on Kyle and his beer no more.


On 2/14/07, CPN Membership [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 THIS IS A LIST MESSAGE - PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL
 --
 Dear CPN Members,

 The proprietors of the upcoming Dock Street Brewery and Restaurant, along
 with the University City District, would like to invite all of you to a
 Before Party on Wednesday, February 28th, from 5:30 to 7:30 pm, at the
 Firehouse, 701 South 50th Street (see the attached flyer).

 Many of you pitched in to help support Dock Street in its efforts to open
 at the Firehouse, so come celebrate the beginning of construction and get a
 taste (literally) of what to expect when the restaurant opens later this
 year. The Illuminator, Dock Street's famous double-bock beer, will be
 served. *For this reason, the event will be only for neighbors 21 and
 over.
 *
 Hope to see you there,

 Cedar Park Neighbors,
 http://www.cedarparkneighbors.org



On 7/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 *
 In a message dated 7/27/07 10:28:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 *Now that I've had an opportunity to look at the picture I remember what
 that event was. I'm still frosted that after asking for community support to
 get them in the building, the welcome party was tailored only to people who
 could drink beer at 5 in the afternoon ( i.e. not family friendly).

 Hope the beer was good ...


 Bruce, there were plenty of kids there, and I think there were
 nonalcoholic drinks too.  There was something other than beer; I didn't get
 anything to drink, so I forget what.  I'm not a beer drinker, but I enjoyed
 the event.  They hadn't even begun to turn the building into a restaurant,
 so they had no kitchen and couldn't serve much!  It was a standing event,
 not sit down at tables.  Your kids would have been welcome, but it was
 crowded, so they might not have enjoyed it.  And it wasn't only at 5 p.m.;
 it went on for a couple of hours.

 Melani

Re: [UC] How do you join the list?

Have you never read the bottom of the posts? ;-)

http://www.purple.com/list.html



On 7/27/07, Vincent/Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a friend who might wish to join the list.  I've tried to warn him
 about the dire consequences, but he seems determined to go ahead.  How is it
 done?
 Roger

Re: [UC] The Gordon letter and Brook book


Kyle Cassidy wrote:


I'm part of this pre-existing creative, artistic, and
intellectual capitol and I certainly don't feel that
UCD's tried to destroy me or my funky creative vibe.




don't kid yourself kyle! we all saw that photo of you in 
ucd's latest newsletter, and -- well, not for nothing, but 
you do appear as the epitome of a middle-aged bürgermeister, 
a tame play-along shill toasting ucd's dock street brewpub! 
if you ever were creative, artistic, or intellectual, that 
photo shows just what glenn's talking about!




:-D

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[UC] Re: Dock Street and other eateries [was: Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head]

2007-07-27 Thread Frank

OK, their food specialty will be pizza. Their party promised beer,  
nothing else.


Frank

On Jul 27, 2007, at 12:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Dock Street's food specialty will be PIZZA.  People of all ages,  
including children, will want to eat there.  It really will be for  
everybody.  Though you have a good point about not everything  
needing to be family-friendly.  In my business, we have to be  
careful about how we even use the word family, since it may  
suggest that we are including only, or excluding, other individuals.


Speaking of eateries, I'm still looking for just the right one for  
my 1500 sf commercial space at 4800 Baltimore Ave.  Has anyone on  
the list always had a dream of opening a restaurant?  And it would  
help if you're a good cook, and if you have the resources to build  
a kitchenor maybe you have a friend who'd like to do this?  I  
get phone calls all the time about the space, but many folks want  
to turn it into something that will not be a lively (as in Jane  
Jacobs' Death  Life of Great American Cities) use on our Baltimore  
Avenue main streetcontractor's office, studio space, social  
services, day careall commendable endeavors, but we are looking  
for a restaurantemail me off list.

RE: [UC] Re: Baltimore Ave: Special Enforcement Area

2007-07-27 Thread S. Sharrieff Ali

A couple of years ago my neighbor Sarah Carley and her daughter were hit
by a car in
the intersection of 44th and Osage due to a driver who failed to stop at
a Stop Sign.
 
We organized a protest in multiple intersections of 44th Street with
Parents, Kids, Neighbors,
Police, City Officials (to make sure the protest was peaceful), and
Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell.
We called it Slow-Down and Stop. 
 
The funniest part of the protest was having 50 people or more out there
with large signs and the 
police were still able to issue tickets during the protest to drivers
who failed to stop at the intersections!  
We couldn't believe it.
 
We asked for better police coverage and enforcement in the intersections
against drivers who run 
red-lights, fail to stop at stop signs, or drive the wrong way on
one-way streets. For a few months 
multiple tickets were issued at various locations in the area. We asked
Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell's
office to look at any support they could give from the legislative side.
 
It would be great if some how the special traffic enforcement zone
happened as a result of a citizens protest.
 
S
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of B Andersen
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:37 AM
To: UnivCity listserv
Cc: Cynthia Roberts
Subject: [UC] Re: Baltimore Ave: Special Enforcement Area
 
A couple of people have emailed me offlist to ask, What's a special
enforcement zone? I am not sure ... but I did a google search on 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=special+traffic+enforcement+zone%2
52C+philadelphiabtnG=Search  special traffic enforcement zone. The
first document is from The http://stopredlightrunning.com  National
Campaign to Stop Red Light Running .
 
My basic understanding is that it is an area of increased police
enforcement and stiffer penalties.
 
Does anyone else really know, I am new to this one ...


 
On 7/26/07, B Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
I was walking across Springfield Avenue this evening where it intersects
with Baltimore. I had with me, my 3 yr old and 6 yr old sons and was
pushing the six month old in the stroller. While we were about a third
of the way across the intersection, I stopped because some woman in an
H3 came roaring westward on Baltimore and didn't look like she was going
to stop. Well she didn't and made the left and turn about five feet in
front of me. At the same time another woman in and SUV did a rolling
stop about five feet behind me. 

Fortunately, members of the 18th District saw what was going on and
pulled over the woman in the H3 by the Sunoco. As I passed by I heard
them telling her that because Baltimore Avenue is now a special
enforcement zone, the fine and the points were increased. 

Does anyone know when Baltimore Avenue became a special enforcement
zone?

http://www.phillyblog.com/philly/showthread.php?p=540319#post540319

[UC] Dock Street Before party [was: Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head]

2007-07-27 Thread MLamond


In a message dated 7/27/07 10:28:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Now that I've had an opportunity to look at the picture I remember what 
 that event was. I'm still frosted that after asking for community support to 
 get 
 them in the building, the welcome party was tailored only to people who 
 could drink beer at 5 in the afternoon ( i.e. not family friendly).
   
  Hope the beer was good ...
 
 
Bruce, there were plenty of kids there, and I think there were nonalcoholic 
drinks too.   There was something other than beer; I didn't get anything to 
drink, so I forget what.   I'm not a beer drinker, but I enjoyed the event.   
They hadn't even begun to turn the building into a restaurant, so they had no 
kitchen and couldn't serve much!   It was a standing event, not sit down at 
tables.   Your kids would have been welcome, but it was crowded, so they might 
not 
have enjoyed it.   And it wasn't only at 5 p.m.; it went on for a couple of 
hours.

Melani




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Urban  Bye, Realtor
3529 Lancaster Ave.
Philadelphia, PA 19104
cell phone 215-356-7266
office phone 215-222-4800, ext. 113
office fax 215-222-1101


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RE: [UC] Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head

It was pretty much 100 people standing and talking in a warehouse with a
slide show, food, and beer. There were a bunch of kids there but the
place had just been gutted, so it was an empty building made of concrete
and brick. If you didn't feel like standing around and talking to your
neighbors with a plate of potato salad in your hands, it wouldn't have
been much fun, as it was, I got to meet some swank local artists
(including Conrad Erb, a marvelous wedding photographer who just moved
to the area and was photographing the event), got a hug from John
Fenton, and met a bunch of people Behind The Scenes at Philly Car Share.
Oh, and I saw Andy Toy not get endorsed by UCD. I don't think I left
until 10 or 11.
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; univcity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head

I supported Dock Street too.   I went to the party cause I wanted to see
how they might have altered the space, and because I hoped to try some
of their cooking.  I tasted a teensy bit of 2 kinds of beer, I mean
teensy, cause I'm not a drinker, just wanted to learn which beer was the
the more interesting one.   I asked for and was given  a big cup of diet
coke, which was checked by the ucd guards as I exited the place, to be
sure I wasn't taking beer with me.There were children there, but as
Melani said, they might not have been having fun.  I don't think it was
an appropriate event for children.  I left early because the party was
too noisy and crowded for me.
 
 Barbara Tilley





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On 7/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I asked for and was given  a big cup of diet coke, which was checked by
 the ucd guards as I exited the place, to be sure I wasn't taking beer with
 me.
 --


The picture of the ucd guards checking Ms. Tilley's cup to make sure she
wasn't taking beer with her is the most potent image one could possibly
imagine about this little soiree.

Did they sniff it? Dip a finger in and taste it? Give her a breathalyzer?
Make her walk a straight line?

Will the ucd guards be on regular duty once Das Deutschmann Essenhaus und
Brau Pub opens to perform similar checks? As usual in this neighborhood, the
mind boggles over with possibilities.

-- 
Ross Bender
http://rossbender.org

[UC] Temporary need for day care

2007-07-27 Thread MLamond

I have a family coming from Ireland to rent my carriage house for a two-month 
stay in September and October (maybe arriving a little earlier, like the last 
week in August).   They have a child who was two in April.   His mom will be 
a visiting law professor at Temple, and she had expected to bring a nanny with 
her, but that seems to have fallen through.

I'll check the local day care centers, but my experience has been that they 
have waiting lists and wouldn't be very interested in giving a spot to someone 
here for only two months in any case.   Does anyone have a nanny they'd be 
able to share, maybe having the two kids spend time together or something?   I 
can find out more about this little boy if anyone has any ideas for me.   Off 
list would be best.   I think someone wrote recently on the UC listserv about a 
baby sitter, but I didn't save the email.

Thanks,

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RE: [UC] The Gordon letter and Brook book

I'm part of this pre-existing creative, artistic, and intellectual capitol 
and I certainly don't feel that UCD's tried to destroy me or my funky 
creative vibe. Of course, if your art is leaving piles of red plastic cups in 
front lawns along locust, one might think differently.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Glenn
the list read this book to date? 

of our extremely diverse community and the incredible creative, artistic, and 
intellectual capitol the funky vibe. Even while the UCD occupation forces 
policies to destroy this preexisting community, Penn markets it as a funky 
vibe neighborhood.

Re: [UC] How do you join the list?

2007-07-27 Thread Joe Clarke


You put your right foot in
You take your right foot out
You put your right foot in
And you open up your mouth
Do the Gristy Listy and
You really grind it out
And that's what it's all about.

Joe (the wedding crasher) Clarke

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him about the dire consequences, but he seems determined to go ahead.  
How is it done?

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Dude, here's where I draw the line with you -- insulting Cassidy. I'm aware
that he can speak for himself, but he's got more creativity, artistry, and
intellect in his little finger than you have in your whole body. You know,
Ray, it would really help if you got out more, met the people you diss on
the list, etc etc. While you're obviously a talented gallery show producer
and recorder-player (and I'm sure have many other talents) on this list
you're coming across more and more as a demented Gollum.

-- 
Ross Bender
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On 7/27/07, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kyle Cassidy wrote:

  I'm part of this pre-existing creative, artistic, and
  intellectual capitol and I certainly don't feel that
  UCD's tried to destroy me or my funky creative vibe.



 don't kid yourself kyle! we all saw that photo of you in
 ucd's latest newsletter, and -- well, not for nothing, but
 you do appear as the epitome of a middle-aged bürgermeister,
 a tame play-along shill toasting ucd's dock street brewpub!
 if you ever were creative, artistic, or intellectual, that
 photo shows just what glenn's talking about!



 :-D

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Re: [UC] The Gordon letter and Brook book


Glenn wrote:

There is a very interesting letter in this week's UC
Review. Mitchell. Gordon responds to Paul Levy's letter
of last week and follows-up on his original opinion piece
about moderately priced housing. In this letter, Gordon
touches on the problems the rapid gentrification causes
for the young creative class that is the proclaimed focus
of Penn's marketing scheme for Philadelphia. He also
cites Daniel Brook's book, The Trap, Selling Out to Stay
Afloat In Winner-Take-All America.



brook writes: The pace of gentrification has accelerated to 
the point where bohemian communities can no longer take root 
in major cities like new york. the greenwich village bohemia 
lasted for decades, soho for ten years, the east village for 
five, williamsburg for two. the game is over the rising 
cost of living in major cities snuffs out the forms of 
noncommercial intellectual creativity for which our most 
cosmopolitan metropolises have long been known.


- - - - -

and perhaps it's not just the 'noncommercial' intellectual 
creativity being snuffed out.


there is an interesting, ironic detail in the gazette 
article about laurie olin, penn's renowned landscape 
architect who transforms spaces so that 'where once was 
abandonment, there is now vigor and gentrification' -- we 
learn just how he got his start, back in 1976:




we scrambled around and we found some space over a
bar next to a strip club opposite the old Greyhound
station on Market Street.

That seedy block soon became one end of a pipeline fed by
Penn's Department of Landscape Architecture. Dennis
McGlade GLA'69, Lucinda Sanders GLA'89, and Susan Weiler
GLA'83 joined the firm in its first decade Along with
Robert Bedell and David Rubin, they form the leadership
of a firm that has made Olin the landscape designer of
choice by some of the best architects in the world.




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Ross Bender wrote:

UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

meanwhile, ross, you like to talk about real mennonites here
in west philly, but you never once told us how linford
martin, owner of the firehouse, worked out the deal with ucd
and rosemarie certo to have dock street installed there. did
he meet with rosemarie certo before or after he told the
existing vendors to vacate? did this all happen before or
after ucd stepped into the picture?




If you're curious, I suggest you ask Linford. He can usually be found in the
Mennonite service, BEGINNING AT 9:00AM ON SUNDAYS IN THE CALVARY CENTER --
EVERYBODY WELCOME.



but I'm curious about YOU, ross, telling us about the 
mennonites in west philly! why do you only have some of 
their stories to tell us? do you not attend mennonite 
services regularly or what?






Anyhow, I wrote about this in the prequel Stealth Mennonites, which has
been available on my website since sometime in 2004, but if you can't lift a
finger to click the link, here are the first several paragraphs:



2004? prequel? you need to update your website! your 
firehouse is still stuck in the pre-dock street days, when 
it a was a thriving cross-cultural potpourri and showcase 
of diversity, featuring a Korean greengrocer, Liberian 
fishmonger, Cambodian flower merchant, Polish butcher, 
Japanese masseuse, and Amish Dan the Barbecue Man. I mean, 
we saw how THAT all had to be spun as a failure, and how 
THEY all had to leave in 2005.



get crackin!


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Re: [UC] Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head

2007-07-27 Thread BTILLEY1

I thought it was pretty funny that the yellow jackets asked to see  what was 
in the cup, there was me all elderly and proper-looking  and  leaning on my 
cane.but we all had a good laugh over it.   Given the enormous efforts of 
the church  to stop Dock Street from moving  in and the large numbers of people 
coming to the opening, I think it was wise  not to give the church any fodder 
for further protest!   And by the  way, when will they open for good?
 
  Barbara



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Ross Bender wrote:


Dude, here's where I draw the line with you -- insulting Cassidy. I'm aware
that he can speak for himself, but he's got more creativity, artistry, and
intellect in his little finger than you have in your whole body. You know,
Ray, it would really help if you got out more, met the people you diss on
the list, etc etc. While you're obviously a talented gallery show producer
and recorder-player (and I'm sure have many other talents) on this list
you're coming across more and more as a demented Gollum.





CRYING.



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[UC] Alert on Break-ins and Get-aways

2007-07-27 Thread Joe Clarke


Neighbors,
   Last year when we experienced a lot of muggings in the area, there 
was a gettaway car involved.  In my experience the getaway car
can be parked on, or around the corner of the street where the incident 
happens and available to pick up the guys on foot.  So keep your eyes 
open not
only for the suspects on foot, but also for cars on your block that are 
occupied but don't seem to be there for a reason.  Note the model, color 
and if
you can get the license number.  Or a car that pulls out after an 
incident is foiled. This is often the suspect that lingers around after 
the crime is committed.


Joe Clarke

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RE: [UC] Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head

I believe that it will also be a pizza restaurant. The one in center
city had both a restaurant and a bar. There was food at the event, but
it wasn't the type of stuff the restaurant would be serving.



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank


Is it just me or does anyone else think bringing children to the opening
of a business whose main purpose is brewing and selling beer is
inappropriate in the first place?

Also, does every business that asks for community support need to be
family-friendly?

Frank


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Re: [UC] The Gordon letter and Brook book

2007-07-27 Thread Brian Siano


UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote:

Glenn wrote:

There is a very interesting letter in this week's UC
Review. Mitchell. Gordon responds to Paul Levy's letter
of last week and follows-up on his original opinion piece
about moderately priced housing. In this letter, Gordon
touches on the problems the rapid gentrification causes
for the young creative class that is the proclaimed focus
of Penn's marketing scheme for Philadelphia. He also
cites Daniel Brook's book, The Trap, Selling Out to Stay
Afloat In Winner-Take-All America.
brook writes: The pace of gentrification has accelerated to the point 
where bohemian communities can no longer take root in major cities 
like new york. the greenwich village bohemia lasted for decades, soho 
for ten years, the east village for five, williamsburg for two. the 
game is over the rising cost of living in major cities snuffs out 
the forms of noncommercial intellectual creativity for which our most 
cosmopolitan metropolises have long been known.

- - - - -
and perhaps it's not just the 'noncommercial' intellectual creativity 
being snuffed out.


there is an interesting, ironic detail in the gazette article about 
laurie olin, penn's renowned landscape architect who transforms spaces 
so that 'where once was abandonment, there is now vigor and 
gentrification' -- we learn just how he got his start, back in 1976: 
Well, this does raise a couple of interesting questions about creative 
communities. The general pattern we're discussing is that there are 
marginal or run-down areas of cities. Bohemians, artists, gays, and 
radicals move in, because it's cheap to live there. Some of them are 
motivated enough to fix the places up, make'em appealing, and suddenly 
affluent people decide they want to live there as well; after all, they 
have some taste, artists need audiences, and maybe they can bring 
something to the community that's not necessarily artistis or radical, 
but useful (grocery stores, coffee shops, boutiques, etc.) Now there's 
more money in the nabe, the demand for housing goes up, and the bohos, 
artists and radicals who _didn't_ get in on the ground floor can't 
afford it anymore. So they move on... maybe to some other place, where 
the next Talented Tenth will do the work to make things more interesting.


There's just one small change I'd make to the above account. Instead of 
saying that the Creative Class moves in because it's cheap to live 
there, I'd add that the areas are also _easily changed_. Which is easier 
to reshape to your own desires-- a fully-preserved Victorian rowhouse in 
West Philadelphia, or a run-down two-story row home in Northern 
Liberties? Which is a blanker canvas-- an unused warehouse, or a 
recently-built set of condos? Which is more fun to customize-- a 
brand-new Lexus, or a vintage '68 Mustang? Where are creative people 
more likely to exercise their creativity for the community-- a 
tightly-regulated and policed Historic District, or a community with a 
laissez-faire attitude towards one's fellow man?


There's a lot that bothers me about this creative-class discussion. For 
one thing, if we cite these nomads of creativity as an engine for urban 
improvement, and wail about their being priced out of neighborhoods, we 
tend to forget about the _really_ poor people that _they_ displaced in 
the first place. For another, it plays up a distinction between 
creatives and non-creatives-- which appeals to a lot of peoples' taste 
for snobbery and self-importance. You know: someone who designs posters 
for metals bands is an artist, while someone who edits commercials for 
an ad agency is a corporate drone. The guy who makes wall mosaics with 
pottery is more an artist than an computer game designer. Thing is, for 
every creative community, you need an audience. So why disparage people 
who have taste merely because they don't create the same kinds of things 
that artists-- real or imagined-- create?


(Which brings up another interesting question. How do we know when a 
community qualifies as creative or not? Apparently, it's when the stuff 
they create is _commercial_ enough.)








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Re: [UC] Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head

2007-07-27 Thread Elizabeth F Campion

No  No

xo
Liz

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:48:01 -0400 Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is it just me or does anyone else think bringing children to the opening
of a business whose main purpose is brewing and selling beer is
inappropriate in the first place?


Also, does every business that asks for community support need to be
family-friendly?


Frank


On Jul 27, 2007, at 11:13 AM, B Andersen wrote:


Okay, admittedly, I'm feeling crotchity today, but I'm copying the
announcement that was sent out about the event. It clearly said 21 and
over. 

I will dwell on Kyle and his beer no more.

On 2/14/07, CPN Membership [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
THIS IS A LIST MESSAGE - PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL
--
Dear CPN Members,

The proprietors of the upcoming Dock Street Brewery and Restaurant, along
with the University City District, would like to invite all of you to a
Before Party on Wednesday, February 28th, from 5:30 to 7:30 pm, at the
Firehouse, 701 South 50th Street (see the attached flyer). 

Many of you pitched in to help support Dock Street in its efforts to open
at the Firehouse, so come celebrate the beginning of construction and get
a taste (literally) of what to expect when the restaurant opens later
this year. The Illuminator, Dock Street's famous double-bock beer, will
be served. For this reason, the event will be only for neighbors 21 and
over.

Hope to see you there,

Cedar Park Neighbors,
http://www.cedarparkneighbors.org



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In a message dated 7/27/07 10:28:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Now that I've had an opportunity to look at the picture I remember what
that event was. I'm still frosted that after asking for community support
to get them in the building, the welcome party was tailored only to
people who could drink beer at 5 in the afternoon ( i.e. not family
friendly).
 
Hope the beer was good ...


Bruce, there were plenty of kids there, and I think there were
nonalcoholic drinks too.  There was something other than beer; I didn't
get anything to drink, so I forget what.  I'm not a beer drinker, but I
enjoyed the event.  They hadn't even begun to turn the building into a
restaurant, so they had no kitchen and couldn't serve much!  It was a
standing event, not sit down at tables.  Your kids would have been
welcome, but it was crowded, so they might not have enjoyed it.  And it
wasn't only at 5 p.m.; it went on for a couple of hours.

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[UC] RE: MORE break-ins / attempted break-ins

2007-07-27 Thread Leila Graham-Willis

I think they mean if you see someone loitering, checking things out, etc. My
neighbor called the police because he saw someone in the bushes peering into
another neighbor's house and trying not to be noticed.

If you spot people ringing lots of doorbells and they aren't trying to get you
to sign a petition, etc. and seem to have a bogus reason of why they rang your
bell.

Also, see below...

Some of you may be familiar with Det. Joe Murray of the SW Detectives, who
posts as The Fuzz on our neighborhood's Phillyblog board. This is a message
that he posted today. If you don't have time to read it all, note the last
line: keep 2d floor windows locked until they catch these guys; and keep
reporting all information. Thanks! *** Sorry if it seems I am neglecting
this topic of burglaries. I just havent had a chance to post recently. Its a
little busy to say the least. I stopped on the 4600 block of Osage yesterday
and took a walk around. I spoke with a resident who was concerned with the
recent break-ins. First, I want to say that the block is a burglars dream. Its
dark at night, the houses are set back off of the street, there is a lot of
trees and bushes blocking the windows of houses and there is easy escape
routes. The good thing I saw was that there is a good amount of security signs
out front of peoples houses. Secondly, going through a second floor window is
entirely plausible on this block. In fact, its a preferred method of entry
because of the ground level motion detectors. I urge everyone to keep the 2nd
floor windows locked until we can catch these guys. I'm sorry that I havent
been on top of this but the recent rash of shootings has really taken most of
my time. As you can tell by the timing of this post, I am working crazy hours.
I assure you that I will get on these burglaries as soon as possible. I have
notified the 18th officers, plainclothes and uniform, to keep an eye out on the
block. Thanks for posting the information that you have, it helps greatly.

CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: MORE break-ins
/ attempted break-insDate: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:35:30 -0400To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
if someone rings bell in the evening, and you peer out and it is not anyone you
recognize or a person with pamphlets (earth, water, air, etc) should we call
911 to get someone to come on suspicion??? not clear what to do if one is
suspicious..
VTN

On Jul 26, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Leila Graham-Willis wrote:
Below is what I sent to my neighbors on the 4600 block of Osage. We are not
sure how many people are involved and if they are working together. Some
neighbors have mentioned two guys together ringing their doorbells the past
couple nights first to see if people are home. Please be careful and shut/lock
windows that are easily accessible, even if they are in the second floor.
Leila4600 block Osage All - Just to update you regarding the above. Tuesday
night between 10:30pm and 11pm, someone tried to break into B-- D--'s house
at 46xx by cutting the window screen on a second floor front open window. B--
was at home. The dogs started barking and scared the person off. The burglar
then apparently rang M-- M--'s bell to see if anyone was home. M-- was and
the person left. Tonight at approximately 7:30pm, R-- noticed a man lurking in
the bushes outside S--'s house (46xx) and looking into the windows, etc. He
called the police but the man left before they came and did not break in.
Around 8pm L-- and I spotted a man running from J--'s house at 46xx. We called
the police and it turns out J--'s house was broken into. It appears the person
entered by cutting a screen on a second floor front window. I am not sure what
was taken. The descriptions of the men from Tuesday night and tonight differ
slightly. What I got from Tuesday is a black male, tall and lanky. The person I
saw tonight was about 5'7''-5'8, dark black male with dark short hair and a
light t-shirt. He had some sort of bag that was black with orange. The police
said to call 911 if you see anything suspicious, no matter how small you think
it is. Explain that there have been break-ins on the block. This person
(people?) is pretty bold to be breaking in while neighbors are out and about.
Plus he is now going in via the second floor.

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[UC] Correction: How do you join the list?

2007-07-27 Thread Joe Clarke




Joe Clarke wrote:

You put your right foot in
You take your right foot out
You put your right foot in
And you open up your mouth
Join the Gristy Listy and
You really grind it out
And that's what it's all about.

Joe (the wedding crasher) Clarke


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You put your right foot in
You take your right foot out
You put your right foot in
And you open up your mouth
Do the Gristy Listy and
You really grind it out
And that's what it's all about.

Joe (the wedding crasher) Clarke

Vincent/Roger wrote:
I have a friend who might wish to join the list.  I've tried to warn 
him about the dire consequences, but he seems determined to go ahead.  
How is it done?

Roger


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RE: [UC] Correction: How do you join the list?

2007-07-27 Thread Turner,Kathleen

Joe,

I'm sure you've seen this one:

The composer of the song The Hokey Pokey, Larry LaPrise, died a few
years back in Boise, Idaho, at the age of 83. His song writing career
pretty much ended with the composition of The Hokey Pokey in the early
1940s, but he made a modest fortune out of it and spent the rest of his
life as a postal service employee. The song was eventually picked up by
bandleader Ray Anthony who recorded it in 1953 on the B-side of another
novelty dance song The Bunny Hop. In no time, the Hokey Pokey was
everywhere.
  The story is told that Larry LaPrise's funeral lasted a very long
time. You see, The Hokey Pokey was playing in the background, and it
was especially difficult for the undertaker to get his body in the
casket. They'd put his left leg in and . . . well you know the rest!


Kathleen




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To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
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Joe Clarke wrote:
 You put your right foot in
 You take your right foot out
 You put your right foot in
 And you open up your mouth
 Join the Gristy Listy and
 You really grind it out
 And that's what it's all about.

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Too bad about Andy Toy. He really held great store in our neighborhood and
its diversity and was looking for support.

At least he did last January when we ate at Fatou  Fama Restaurant with
Anne O'Callaghan and a Committee for The Welcoming Center for New
Pennsylvanians.

It's a shame the UCD did not endorse his candidacy for Council-at-Large
unless it conflicted with Jannie Blackwell. In THAT case, I understand.

On 7/27/07 11:06 AM, Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It was pretty much 100 people standing and talking in a warehouse with a
 slide show, food, and beer. There were a bunch of kids there but the
 place had just been gutted, so it was an empty building made of concrete
 and brick. If you didn't feel like standing around and talking to your
 neighbors with a plate of potato salad in your hands, it wouldn't have
 been much fun, as it was, I got to meet some swank local artists
 (including Conrad Erb, a marvelous wedding photographer who just moved
 to the area and was photographing the event), got a hug from John
 Fenton, and met a bunch of people Behind The Scenes at Philly Car Share.
 Oh, and I saw Andy Toy not get endorsed by UCD. I don't think I left
 until 10 or 11.
  
 
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 I supported Dock Street too.   I went to the party cause I wanted to see
 how they might have altered the space, and because I hoped to try some
 of their cooking.  I tasted a teensy bit of 2 kinds of beer, I mean
 teensy, cause I'm not a drinker, just wanted to learn which beer was the
 the more interesting one.   I asked for and was given  a big cup of diet
 coke, which was checked by the ucd guards as I exited the place, to be
 sure I wasn't taking beer with me.There were children there, but as
 Melani said, they might not have been having fun.  I don't think it was
 an appropriate event for children.  I left early because the party was
 too noisy and crowded for me.
  
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Re: [UC] Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head w/ Toy

 
In a message dated 7/27/2007 4:54:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Too bad  about Andy Toy. He really held great store in our neighborhood and
its  diversity and was looking for support.

At least he did last January  when we ate at Fatou  Fama Restaurant with
Anne O'Callaghan and a  Committee for The Welcoming Center for New
Pennsylvanians.

It's a  shame the UCD did not endorse his candidacy for Council-at-Large
unless it  conflicted with Jannie Blackwell. In THAT case, I  understand.


Geez Wilma,
 
501(c) 3 registrants may not endorse political candidates, though their  
membership and employees may. Remember how some locals used such a manufactured 
 
ruse to butche that nice John FXnton man in the back?
 
Most voters were totally unimpressed with Toy; just another pretender. Nor  
did his people bother to remove his yard signs from Cobbs Creek Parkway.  
Another indicator of a poorly led campaign organization; clearly not green  
sensitive. Those of us who did not support him had to do it for him.
 
For those of you looking to support  local SW progressive/responsible talent, 
David Oh (R), a former Dem  disillusioned by the Big City Machine, has an 
outstanding shot for a  Council at Large seat, and would be an excellent 
advocate 
for improving the  quality of life for all residents west of the Schuylkill. 
 
Ciao,
 
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Re: [UC] The Gordon letter and Brook book

2007-07-27 Thread Anthony West


Thoughtful observations, Brian.

Brooks may have a nose for arts ... less so for real estate. There are 
huge areas of Philadelphia where housing values remain low and boy, 
could they use some fixing up by Bohemians! Some of these areas aren't 
so far removed from University City; indeed, they are logical extensions 
of University City. The stems of Lancaster Ave. beyond 38th St., 
Baltimore Ave. beyond 49th St. and Woodland Ave. beyond 46th St. are 
right there, waiting for Brook to move in.


Brook is wringing his hands about the inherent dynamism of a healthy 
metropolis. I.e., the character of its neighborhoods is always changing. 
You can't freeze them in the past, no matter how sentimentally attached 
you are to them. I feel this same urge, to mourn the loss of the Good 
Old Days in my neighborhood. But what I am really mourning, is my youth. 
Well, guess what? I can't have it back. And neither can anyone else on 
this thread. The best we can hope for, is a little management of change.


I'm deeply dubious of any effort to mandate or legislate retention of 
starving artists in a neighborhood by some sort of time-capsule 
approach, in which we simply snarl at anyone who wants to improve the 
area beyond the level that starving artists have already improved it to. 
I don't think you can command urban communities not to go up in value 
anymore than you can command them not to go down in value.


Please don't tell me about New York's intellectual woes; let us 
concentrate on Philadelphia's prospects. If artists can't afford to live 
in the Big Apple, too bad! They should move here, and let their 
industries follow them.


-- Tony West

Brian Siano wrote:
brook writes: The pace of gentrification has accelerated to the 
point where bohemian communities can no longer take root in major 
cities like new york. the greenwich village bohemia lasted for 
decades, soho for ten years, the east village for five, williamsburg 
for two. the game is over the rising cost of living in major 
cities snuffs out the forms of noncommercial intellectual creativity 
for which our most cosmopolitan metropolises have long been known.
Well, this does raise a couple of interesting questions about creative 
communities. The general pattern we're discussing is that there are 
marginal or run-down areas of cities. Bohemians, artists, gays, and 
radicals move in, because it's cheap to live there. Some of them are 
motivated enough to fix the places up, make'em appealing, and suddenly 
affluent people decide they want to live there as well; after all, 
they have some taste, artists need audiences, and maybe they can bring 
something to the community that's not necessarily artistis or radical, 
but useful (grocery stores, coffee shops, boutiques, etc.) Now there's 
more money in the nabe, the demand for housing goes up, and the bohos, 
artists and radicals who _didn't_ get in on the ground floor can't 
afford it anymore. So they move on... maybe to some other place, where 
the next Talented Tenth will do the work to make things more interesting.


There's just one small change I'd make to the above account. Instead 
of saying that the Creative Class moves in because it's cheap to live 
there, I'd add that the areas are also _easily changed_. Which is 
easier to reshape to your own desires-- a fully-preserved Victorian 
rowhouse in West Philadelphia, or a run-down two-story row home in 
Northern Liberties? Which is a blanker canvas-- an unused warehouse, 
or a recently-built set of condos? Which is more fun to customize-- a 
brand-new Lexus, or a vintage '68 Mustang? Where are creative people 
more likely to exercise their creativity for the community-- a 
tightly-regulated and policed Historic District, or a community with a 
laissez-faire attitude towards one's fellow man?


There's a lot that bothers me about this creative-class discussion. 
For one thing, if we cite these nomads of creativity as an engine for 
urban improvement, and wail about their being priced out of 
neighborhoods, we tend to forget about the _really_ poor people that 
_they_ displaced in the first place. For another, it plays up a 
distinction between creatives and non-creatives-- which appeals to a 
lot of peoples' taste for snobbery and self-importance. You know: 
someone who designs posters for metals bands is an artist, while 
someone who edits commercials for an ad agency is a corporate drone. 
The guy who makes wall mosaics with pottery is more an artist than an 
computer game designer. Thing is, for every creative community, you 
need an audience. So why disparage people who have taste merely 
because they don't create the same kinds of things that artists-- real 
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Re: [UC] Dock Street Before party [was: Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head]

I do not know WHY anyone would bring children to an establishment that sold
beer, wine or spirits.

Thinking back to my own childhood, we did not even have SODA at the dinner
table unless it was a special occasion, such as a party or picnic.

Milk or water was all there was to it at table for us.

My Papi would have his Lodge Brothers for Pinochle Night and Mami would cook
for them.

There were drinks, food etc. but we were NEVER allowed to be there when the
³grown-ups² stayed up late.

I cannot imagine children being welcome or encouraged to be at such an
event, even though it was just a preliminary event.

A beer and pizza house is not, in my opinion, appropriate for kids.

Forgive me Bruce and Melani, but that¹s how I feel.  If you brought your
kids there while you were having a few brews and pizza, I should think the
kids would let you know by complaining about being there, even though there
was pizza.


On 7/27/07 10:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 In a message dated 7/27/07 10:28:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Now that I've had an opportunity to look at the picture I remember what that
 event was. I'm still frosted that after asking for community support to get
 them in the building, the welcome party was tailored only to people who could
 drink beer at 5 in the afternoon ( i.e. not family friendly).
   
  Hope the beer was good ...
 
 
 Bruce, there were plenty of kids there, and I think there were nonalcoholic
 drinks too.   There was something other than beer; I didn't get anything to
 drink, so I forget what.   I'm not a beer drinker, but I enjoyed the event.
 They hadn't even begun to turn the building into a restaurant, so they had no
 kitchen and couldn't serve much!   It was a standing event, not sit down at
 tables.   Your kids would have been welcome, but it was crowded, so they might
 not have enjoyed it.   And it wasn't only at 5 p.m.; it went on for a couple
 of hours.
 
 Melani
 
 
 
 
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Re: [UC] Dock Street Before party - social responsibility

In a message dated 7/27/2007 4:58:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I do not know  WHY anyone would bring children to an establishment that sold 
beer, wine or  spirits.
...

A beer and pizza house is not, in my opinion,  appropriate for kids. 

Forgive me Bruce and Melani, but that’s how I  feel.  If you brought your 
kids there while you were having a few brews  and pizza, I should think the 
kids 
would let you know by complaining about  being there, even though there was 
pizza.
It's now a very common  marketing concept; look at Dave and Buster's with 
their current national  marketing campaign. Of course the advertising sanitizes 
the distasteful and  irresponsible aspects of ETOH consumption while gaming.
 
I think it is important for  kids to see adults make asses out of themselves 
with self-inflicted impairment.  The duality of such a state along with 
educational opportunity brings so  many to UC, and such will continue for 
generations to  come.
 
Ciao,
 
Craig

 



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Re: [UC] Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head w/ Toy

2007-07-27 Thread Anthony West

Oh is definitely looking for crossover Democrats in the fall. His 
reasoning is: all five Dem At-Large candidates are shoo-ins, so what's 
the point? The only actual contest, then, is between Republicans -- five 
of whom are running, only two of whom will be elected. If the two GOP 
incumbents are elected, they will be Frank Rizzo and Jack Kelly. Oh 
argues (while remaining careful not to sound disloyal) he would be 
better on many reform issues than either of those two.


-- Tony West
For those of you looking to support local SW progressive/responsible 
talent, David Oh (R), a former Dem disillusioned by the Big City 
Machine, has an outstanding shot for a Council at Large seat, and 
would be an excellent advocate for improving the quality of life for 
all residents west of the Schuylkill.


 
Craig

RE: [UC] Dock Street Before party [was: Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head]

Abbraccio's always filled with kids, they seem none the worse. They even
have a family room. With toys!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto


I do not know WHY anyone would bring children to an establishment that
sold beer, wine or spirits.


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Re: [UC] Dock Street Before party [was: Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head]

2007-07-27 Thread Isabel Lugo

On 7/27/07, Wilma de Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I do not know WHY anyone would bring children to an establishment that sold
 beer, wine or spirits.


If adults present alcoholic beverages as something that children
should never even be in the same room as, then the children will grow
up with unhealthy attitudes about alcohol.  I suspect such children
are actually more likely to grow up to have problems with alcohol
abuse, because they think it's something bad and as a result will do
stupid things with it when they're in their teenaged rebellious phases
that everyone goes through.

Isabel

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Re: [UC] Dock Street Before party [was: Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head]

No.  I am not speaking of family weddings, cookouts, and sports, I was
commenting on the Dock Street Party.

If one takes a child to a restaurant where there¹s tables. etc. away from
the bar and a child¹s menu, I would not have a problem with that.

I still feel if it¹s a drinking party opening, kids should not go.

Still, little children shouldn¹t be allowed everywhere and hear and see
everything their parents do.  What¹s wrong with that?  Why can¹t they be
kids?


On 7/27/07 5:07 PM, Turner,Kathleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wilma, while I might agree that the Dock Street party (advertised as for 21
 and over only) would not have been a child-friendly event, are you actually
 saying that children should never be taken to any restaurant where alcohol is
 served?  (So that pretty much leaves Taco Bell . . .)
  
 And that I'm causing serious harm to my children if I have a glass of wine
 with dinner?  Or they attend a baseball game where beer is served? Or a family
 wedding or celebration?
  
 I think you need a reality check on this one.
  
 Kathleen
  
  
 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto
 Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:58 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv
 Subject: Re: [UC] Dock Street Before party [was: Break My Routine and Smack
 Me Upside the Head]
 
 I do not know WHY anyone would bring children to an establishment that sold
 beer, wine or spirits.
 
 Thinking back to my own childhood, we did not even have SODA at the dinner
 table unless it was a special occasion, such as a party or picnic.
 
 Milk or water was all there was to it at table for us.
 
 My Papi would have his Lodge Brothers for Pinochle Night and Mami would cook
 for them.
 
 There were drinks, food etc. but we were NEVER allowed to be there when the
 ³grown-ups² stayed up late.
 
 I cannot imagine children being welcome or encouraged to be at such an event,
 even though it was just a preliminary event.
 
 A beer and pizza house is not, in my opinion, appropriate for kids.
 
 Forgive me Bruce and Melani, but that¹s how I feel.  If you brought your kids
 there while you were having a few brews and pizza, I should think the kids
 would let you know by complaining about being there, even though there was
 pizza.
 
 
 On 7/27/07 10:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 In a message  dated 7/27/07 10:28:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Now that I've  had an opportunity to look at the picture I remember what that
 event was. I'm  still frosted that after asking for community support to get
 them in the  building, the welcome party was tailored only to people who
 could drink beer  at 5 in the afternoon ( i.e. not family  friendly).
   
  Hope the beer was good  ...
 
 
 Bruce, there were plenty of kids there, and I think there were  nonalcoholic
 drinks too.   There was something other than beer; I  didn't get anything to
 drink, so I forget what.   I'm not a beer  drinker, but I enjoyed the event.
 They hadn't even begun to turn  the building into a restaurant, so they had
 no kitchen and couldn't serve  much!   It was a standing event, not sit down
 at tables.Your kids would have been welcome, but it was crowded, so they
 might not have enjoyed it.   And it wasn't only at 5 p.m.; it went  on for a
 couple of hours.
 
 Melani
 
 
 
 
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 Urban   Bye, Realtor
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Re: [UC] Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head w/ Toy

Geez, Craig!

So!!!


On 7/27/07 5:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 7/27/2007 4:54:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Too bad  about Andy Toy. He really held great store in our neighborhood and
 its  diversity and was looking for support.
 
 At least he did last January  when we ate at Fatou  Fama Restaurant with
 Anne O'Callaghan and a  Committee for The Welcoming Center for New
 Pennsylvanians.
 
 It's a  shame the UCD did not endorse his candidacy for Council-at-Large
 unless it  conflicted with Jannie Blackwell. In THAT case, I understand.
 Geez Wilma,
  
 501(c) 3 registrants may not endorse political candidates, though their
 membership and employees may. Remember how some locals used such a
 manufactured ruse to butche that nice John FXnton man in the back?
  
 Most voters were totally unimpressed with Toy; just another pretender. Nor did
 his people bother to remove his yard signs from Cobbs Creek Parkway. Another
 indicator of a poorly led campaign organization; clearly not green sensitive.
 Those of us who did not support him had to do it for him.
  
 For those of you looking to support local SW progressive/responsible talent,
 David Oh (R), a former Dem disillusioned by the Big City Machine, has an
 outstanding shot for a Council at Large seat, and would be an excellent
 advocate for improving the quality of life for all residents west of the
 Schuylkill. 
  
 Ciao,
  
 Craig
 
 
 
 
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Re: [UC] Dock Street Before party - social responsibility

Perhaps, you are correct.

However, I still feel it is not right to bring children into certain adult
situations; especially under the guise that EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE is family
friendly here in our community.

I do not want to ban children, but some situations are not meant for
children.


On 7/27/07 5:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 7/27/2007 4:58:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I do not know  WHY anyone would bring children to an establishment that sold
 beer, wine or  spirits.
 ...
 
 A beer and pizza house is not, in my opinion,  appropriate for kids.
 
 Forgive me Bruce and Melani, but that¹s how I  feel.  If you brought your
 kids there while you were having a few brews  and pizza, I should think the
 kids would let you know by complaining about  being there, even though there
 was pizza.
 It's now a very common marketing concept; look at Dave and Buster's with their
 current national marketing campaign. Of course the advertising sanitizes the
 distasteful and irresponsible aspects of ETOH consumption while gaming.
  
 I think it is important for kids to see adults make asses out of themselves
 with self-inflicted impairment. The duality of such a state along with
 educational opportunity brings so many to UC, and such will continue for
 generations to come.
  
 Ciao,
  
 Craig
  
 
 
 
 
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where kids don't belong (was RE: [UC] Dock Street Before party)

Absolutely right. My last movie theater experience at the bridge (Resident Evil 
II) made me a believer. If you can't get a babysitter, don't bring your 3 year 
old to movies not made for kids. They get bored, everyone else gets aggravated. 
I haven't been back since. Good for Netflix, bad for the Bridge. (There were 
also several cell phones and a guy smoking pot five rows behind me involved in 
the whole experience, but the crying baby was a heavy accent in that soup.)

One thing I really like about Abbraccio is their family room. It was a 
brilliant idea.

kc


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Wilma de Soto
[snip] I still feel it is not right to bring children into certain adult 
situations; especially under the guise that EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE is family 
friendly here in our community.

I do not want to ban children, but some situations are not meant for children.

Re: [UC] Diddy's Amish Roots

2007-07-27 Thread Anthony West

No, it's really Ray's turn to answer questions, since he has reentered 
politics.


Ray, you just posted some pictures on UC-list, as a responsible party to 
an exhibit at your employer Penn's Arthur Ross Gallery. While undeniably 
pretty, we have read testimony some members of the ethnic group you 
targeted may find your depiction offensive and demeaning. Your title THE 
MENNONITES clearly makes a statement about Mennonites as a whole. If you 
ran a lush photo exhibit of pimps and hos entitled THE AFRICAN 
AMERICANS, you wouldn't be allowed to get away with it. Why is this case 
different?


Before you mounted this exhibit in our community, did you discuss it 
with non-Penn-affiliated Mennonites in our community? What steps did you 
take to elicit their input into your project? That would seem like a 
no-brainer, for starters.


In general, what structural provisions are made for community input into 
Arthur Ross Gallery policies? Can you direct us to a website that 
contains this information?


Can you make available to us the minutes of the Arthur Ross Gallery 
meetings at which you planned your public commentary on this ethnic group?


Is Arthur Ross Gallery planning any further public exhibits about other 
ethnic groups in our neighborhood? Will we be permitted to participate 
in this planning? If so, how?


Can community members meet with you or another representative of Arthur 
Ross Gallery face to face, regarding your public projects that appear 
offensive to the community? Is it good enough just to email you on 
UC-list, like this; or should we contact someone else, by some other 
channel?


-- Tony West

Ray wrote:

meanwhile, ross, you like to talk about real mennonites here
in west philly, but you never once told us how linford
martin, owner of the firehouse, worked out the deal with ucd
and rosemarie certo to have dock street installed there.

Ross wrote:

If you're curious, I suggest you ask Linford. He can usually be found 
in the
Mennonite service, BEGINNING AT 9:00AM ON SUNDAYS IN THE CALVARY 
CENTER --

EVERYBODY WELCOME.

Ray wrote:
but I'm curious about YOU, ross, telling us about the mennonites in 
west philly! why do you only have some of their stories to tell us? do 
you not attend mennonite services regularly or what?



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Re: [UC] Dock Street Before party - Public ETOH Use

 
In a message dated 7/27/2007 6:10:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

No.  I am not speaking of family weddings, cookouts, and  sports, I was 
commenting on the Dock Street  Party.



Wilma appears to have missed the last decade of change in stadium and arena  
management practices, wherein there has been the implementation of significant 
 controls on the service and consumption of ETOH drinks, because of the  
extraordinary hostility to family values displayed by a small lubricated fan  
base.
 
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Re: [UC] Diddy's Amish Roots

Thanks, Tony, but I just need to point out that Mennonites are no longer a
single ethnic group. Historically, we have been Swiss-German, Dutch, Frisian
and Prussian -- The Mennonites being showcased at the Arthur Ross Gallery
are some of the latter who were invited to the Ukraine and are known among
Mennonites as Russian Mennonites, even though they were ethnically German.

But if you look in the Philly telephone book or Verizon Yellow Pages you
will find two Chinese, one Vietnamese, one Hispanic and several
African-American churches (which are not identified as such). We also have a
new Indonesian church in Philly.

Just one more reason not to stereotype The Mennonites.

On 7/27/07, Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No, it's really Ray's turn to answer questions, since he has reentered
 politics.

 Ray, you just posted some pictures on UC-list, as a responsible party to
 an exhibit at your employer Penn's Arthur Ross Gallery. While undeniably
 pretty, we have read testimony some members of the ethnic group you
 targeted may find your depiction offensive and demeaning. Your title THE
 MENNONITES clearly makes a statement about Mennonites as a whole. If you
 ran a lush photo exhibit of pimps and hos entitled THE AFRICAN
 AMERICANS, you wouldn't be allowed to get away with it. Why is this case
 different?



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Ross Bender
http://rossbender.org

Re: [UC] Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head -your head

Craig,

You CAN¹T be serious!  You KNOW I was having you on.

I actually am one of the FEW people on this listserv who understands your
statements.


On 7/27/07 6:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 7/27/2007 6:11:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Geez,  Craig!
 
 So!!!
 
 
 On 7/27/07 5:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
 In a message  dated 7/27/2007 4:54:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
  
 Too bad   about Andy Toy. He really held great store in our neighborhood
 and
 its  diversity and was looking for  support.
 ...
 
 It's a  shame the UCD did not endorse  his candidacy for  Council-at-Large
 So, now we know you are the kind of person who practices situational ethics.
  
 Do attribute your West Philly outlaw nature to being an educator or a
 unionized Philadelphia public school teacher? Apparently your noble parents
 failed when teaching you the essence of right and wrong and respect for the
 codification of laws that attempt to control influence peddling.
  
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Re: [UC] Dock Street Before party - Public ETOH Use

No, I haven¹t.

Some times and places are appropriate for children and some are not.

I am not a sports fan.  The first and last baseball game I went to was with
my dad at Connie Mack Park.  I was small but well-behaved; also bored beyond
belief.


On 7/27/07 6:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 7/27/2007 6:10:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 No.   I am not speaking of family weddings, cookouts, and  sports, I was
 commenting on the Dock Street  Party.
 Wilma appears to have missed the last decade of change in stadium and arena
 management practices, wherein there has been the implementation of significant
 controls on the service and consumption of ETOH drinks, because of the
 extraordinary hostility to family values displayed by a small lubricated fan
 base.
  
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Re: [UC] Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head -An Appology

 
In a message dated 7/27/2007 6:52:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You  CAN’T be serious!  You KNOW I was having you  on.



After regular exposure to Tony  Rosso feblely attempting to savage  
Laserebeam, and Melani reading SpecialK's thoughts while BG the SurfDog  
castigates 
him for failure to adhere to Yellow Dog policies -well its not hard  to imagine 
you too have taken temporary leave of your senses, during  the UCD Dog Days 
and Doldrums.
 
Just another two more weeks or so before another new bunch of  enthusiastic 
totally alive kids/students kick ass in the Hood. Thank  God the Circle of 
Life, here, will go round and round despite UCD and Penn  spending huge amounts 
of 
money to manipulate human behavior.
 
Its times like this I really miss the old Smokes and Doc Watson. Like Tony  
said earlier today; youth is fleeting.
 
Thank God, despite UCD and Penn Real Estate, and because of great  
scholarship the kids keep coming back.
 
OK sweetie, enjoy this evening!
 
Craig



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Re: [UC] I want my Quest/UCD/FOCP confusion?

2007-07-27 Thread momofemilyrose

   I think you are misdirecting your  anger--I believe it
should be directed at UCD, not FOCP (in fact the way I heard
 it, some FOCP were upset at the decision to rope off the
bowl, as I was)

- Original Message Follows -
From: Glenn 
To: 
Subject: [UC] I want my Quest
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:23:08 -0400

Damn  it.  By definition,I am much more  important than well
over 80% of districtscum; I am a district  homeowner.

Where the  hell is my expensive upscale glossy  colored copy
of TheQuest?  It is my understanding that renters have
beencarried copies of this important publication by the
USmail.  I got  nothing!  

I  don't know thespin about the new  urinals on the
Baltimore Avecorridor.  I can't break my routine and get 
funkedup with the gang.  I don't even know how muchthe
peasants paid  for reseeding the bowl! 

 From my  limitedmisinformation, I did  think it was
hilariousthat the FOCP leaders thought the suburban audience
 forwhich the orchestra was designed and exclusively
marketedwas going to sit  their fat booties on that grass.
IfWest Philly had received any  marketing at all,ghetto
gangs might have sat directly on the grass. Of  course, the
community didn't want those animals at themarketing party so
the  reseeding became an upscale joke.  

 This  childlike usability that FOCP reseeders demonstrated
is why we need pawns like civicassociations here in the 
district!  I'd like toread this news in a publication I can
trust, please.

 Look, we district whackos can't depend solely on the Public
Record, Melani and Father Tony for all ofour misinformation
and  propaganda entertainmentneeds.

I want my Quest now! Lewis can hand deliver  it or I'll look
for the US mailspecial delivery service.

A very angry upscale consumer

[UC] Daytime Mugging

2007-07-27 Thread Robin Gresham-Chin

Today between 3:30 and 4:00 PM my daughter and I were parking on Pine  
St. near 46th.  I noticed two male teens walking very slowly on the  
other side of the street. I felt they were up to no good so I told my  
daughter not to unlock the car door.  The young men were looking in  
cars as they passed and glancing around as if to check who might be  
observing them. They eventually noticed us watching and picked up  
their pace.  After they were down the street and had crossed 46th St.  
We got out of the car and started for our gate.  We decided to keep  
an eye on them as there was a young woman standing on the corner.   
They walked past her then turned around. The larger of the two  
grabbed her from behind,  put his had over her mouth and put her in a  
choke hold.  The other tried to grab her bag.  My daughter screamed,  
Get off her and I dialed 911.  Both of the teens ran down 46th St.  
toward Baltimore.  The poor young woman was a student from Thailand  
who wanted to rent an apt. in the neighborhood.  She was on the phone  
talking to the landlord when she was attacked. She and we reported  
the incident to both the Philadelphia and PENN police.  Both  
responded to the call.  We invited her into our home afterward to  
rest and compose herself and then took her back to school.  Her neck  
was a little sore but she was OK.


The teens were between 15-19, black males.  One was approx. 5'  
10-6', slim build, short black hair.
The other was around 5' 5, slim, black hair about 2 long.  He was  
carrying a shiny silver object that looked like a remote control for  
a TV.  He may have had a scar or deep depression on the right side of  
his face.


Robin

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Re: [UC] Daytime Mugging

2007-07-27 Thread Philip Forrest

This is terribly unfortunate.  It's good that no one was hurt.
As for the remote control looking device, they were probably trying to dial 
into keyless locks on cars.  There are only so many frequencies that can be 
used  a few appliances (garage door openers, TV/VCR remotes, etc.) can have 
overlapping activation frequencies for keyless locks in cars.  It's 
much friendlier that way, less obvious and safer for the crook, not that we 
care though.  If they want in, they'll use a rock, hammer, brick, spring 
punch or whatever to get in though, as many of us have found out.
Again, good that you're all safe.

PhilFo



On Friday 27 July 2007 20:28, Robin Gresham-Chin wrote:
 Today between 3:30 and 4:00 PM my daughter and I were parking on Pine
 St. near 46th.  I noticed two male teens walking very slowly on the
 other side of the street. I felt they were up to no good so I told my
 daughter not to unlock the car door.  The young men were looking in
 cars as they passed and glancing around as if to check who might be
 observing them. They eventually noticed us watching and picked up
 their pace.  After they were down the street and had crossed 46th St.
 We got out of the car and started for our gate.  We decided to keep
 an eye on them as there was a young woman standing on the corner.
 They walked past her then turned around. The larger of the two
 grabbed her from behind,  put his had over her mouth and put her in a
 choke hold.  The other tried to grab her bag.  My daughter screamed,
 Get off her and I dialed 911.  Both of the teens ran down 46th St.
 toward Baltimore.  The poor young woman was a student from Thailand
 who wanted to rent an apt. in the neighborhood.  She was on the phone
 talking to the landlord when she was attacked. She and we reported
 the incident to both the Philadelphia and PENN police.  Both
 responded to the call.  We invited her into our home afterward to
 rest and compose herself and then took her back to school.  Her neck
 was a little sore but she was OK.

 The teens were between 15-19, black males.  One was approx. 5'
 10-6', slim build, short black hair.
 The other was around 5' 5, slim, black hair about 2 long.  He was
 carrying a shiny silver object that looked like a remote control for
 a TV.  He may have had a scar or deep depression on the right side of
 his face.

 Robin
 
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RE: [UC] Dock Street Before party [was: Break My Routine and Smack Me Upside the Head]

2007-07-27 Thread Turner,Kathleen

There's nothing wrong with kids being kids.
 
And if you had said specifically that you didn't see a reason for children to 
be in an establishment that PRIMARILY served alcohol, I wouldn't have disagreed 
with you and neither would, I suspect, most of the others who called you out on 
this.
 
But, what you said was I do not know WHY anyone would bring children to an 
establishment that sold beer, wine or spirits. and then proceeded to make it 
clear that there was never anything but milk or water served in your household 
when you were a child.

Perhaps you need to be a bit less absolutist in expressing some of your 
opinions.
 
Kathleen



From: Wilma de Soto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 7/27/2007 6:10 PM
To: Turner,Kathleen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv
Subject: Re: [UC] Dock Street Before party [was: Break My Routine and Smack 
Me Upside the Head]


No.  I am not speaking of family weddings, cookouts, and sports, I was 
commenting on the Dock Street Party.

If one takes a child to a restaurant where there's tables. etc. away from the 
bar and a child's menu, I would not have a problem with that.

I still feel if it's a drinking party opening, kids should not go.

Still, little children shouldn't be allowed everywhere and hear and see 
everything their parents do.  What's wrong with that?  Why can't they be kids?


On 7/27/07 5:07 PM, Turner,Kathleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Wilma, while I might agree that the Dock Street party (advertised as 
for 21 and over only) would not have been a child-friendly event, are you 
actually saying that children should never be taken to any restaurant where 
alcohol is served?  (So that pretty much leaves Taco Bell . . .)

And that I'm causing serious harm to my children if I have a glass of 
wine with dinner?  Or they attend a baseball game where beer is served? Or a 
family wedding or celebration?

I think you need a reality check on this one.

Kathleen

 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilma de 
Soto
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv
Subject: Re: [UC] Dock Street Before party [was: Break My Routine and 
Smack Me Upside the Head]

I do not know WHY anyone would bring children to an establishment that 
sold beer, wine or spirits.

Thinking back to my own childhood, we did not even have SODA at the 
dinner table unless it was a special occasion, such as a party or picnic.

Milk or water was all there was to it at table for us.

My Papi would have his Lodge Brothers for Pinochle Night and Mami would 
cook for them.

There were drinks, food etc. but we were NEVER allowed to be there when 
the grown-ups stayed up late.

I cannot imagine children being welcome or encouraged to be at such an 
event, even though it was just a preliminary event.

A beer and pizza house is not, in my opinion, appropriate for kids. 

Forgive me Bruce and Melani, but that's how I feel.  If you brought 
your kids there while you were having a few brews and pizza, I should think the 
kids would let you know by complaining about being there, even though there was 
pizza.


On 7/27/07 10:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




In a message  dated 7/27/07 10:28:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
Now that I've  had an opportunity to look at the picture I 
remember what that event was. I'm  still frosted that after asking for 
community support to get them in the  building, the welcome party was tailored 
only to people who could drink beer  at 5 in the afternoon ( i.e. not family  
friendly).
  
 Hope the beer was good  ...


Bruce, there were plenty of kids there, and I think there were  
nonalcoholic drinks too.   There was something other than beer; I  didn't get 
anything to drink, so I forget what.   I'm not a beer  drinker, but I enjoyed 
the event.   They hadn't even begun to turn  the building into a restaurant, so 
they had no kitchen and couldn't serve  much!   It was a standing event, not 
sit down at tables.Your kids would have been welcome, but it was crowded, 
so they  might not have enjoyed it.   And it wasn't only at 5 p.m.; it went  on 
for a couple of hours.

Melani




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Urban   Bye, Realtor
3529 Lancaster Ave.
Philadelphia, PA  19104
cell phone 215-356-7266

[UC] Lost a dog?

2007-07-27 Thread Mike VanHelder

There was a lost dog hanging out on a porch at 42nd and Locust earlier
this evening -- medium size, with markings and coloration in the
Alsatian/Doberman family.  It seemed friendly and lonely, and unfond
of the rain.

- Mike V.

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Re: [UC] The Gordon letter and Brook book


Brian Siano wrote:
Well, this does raise a couple of interesting questions about creative 
communities. The general pattern we're discussing is that there are 
marginal or run-down areas of cities. Bohemians, artists, gays, and 
radicals move in, because it's cheap to live there. Some of them are 
motivated enough to fix the places up, make'em appealing, and suddenly 
affluent people decide they want to live there as well; after all, they 
have some taste, artists need audiences, and maybe they can bring 
something to the community that's not necessarily artistis or radical, 
but useful (grocery stores, coffee shops, boutiques, etc.) Now there's 
more money in the nabe, the demand for housing goes up, and the bohos, 
artists and radicals who _didn't_ get in on the ground floor can't 
afford it anymore. So they move on... maybe to some other place, where 
the next Talented Tenth will do the work to make things more interesting.


There's just one small change I'd make to the above account. Instead of 
saying that the Creative Class moves in because it's cheap to live 
there, I'd add that the areas are also _easily changed_. Which is easier 
to reshape to your own desires-- a fully-preserved Victorian rowhouse in 
West Philadelphia, or a run-down two-story row home in Northern 
Liberties? Which is a blanker canvas-- an unused warehouse, or a 
recently-built set of condos? Which is more fun to customize-- a 
brand-new Lexus, or a vintage '68 Mustang? Where are creative people 
more likely to exercise their creativity for the community-- a 
tightly-regulated and policed Historic District, or a community with a 
laissez-faire attitude towards one's fellow man?


There's a lot that bothers me about this creative-class discussion. For 
one thing, if we cite these nomads of creativity as an engine for urban 
improvement, and wail about their being priced out of neighborhoods, we 
tend to forget about the _really_ poor people that _they_ displaced in 
the first place. For another, it plays up a distinction between 
creatives and non-creatives-- which appeals to a lot of peoples' taste 
for snobbery and self-importance. You know: someone who designs posters 
for metals bands is an artist, while someone who edits commercials for 
an ad agency is a corporate drone. The guy who makes wall mosaics with 
pottery is more an artist than an computer game designer. Thing is, for 
every creative community, you need an audience. So why disparage people 
who have taste merely because they don't create the same kinds of things 
that artists-- real or imagined-- create?


(Which brings up another interesting question. How do we know when a 
community qualifies as creative or not? Apparently, it's when the stuff 
they create is _commercial_ enough.)




I think the way to look at this is the way olin himself 
looks at it:



It's not a law, but it is a generally accepted principle
that more complex environments tend to be richer and more
productive and more stable than simplified environments, he
reflects. Monocultures are unstable. Diversified
environments are more stable -- you can see it in oceans,
you can see it in forests, you can see it in cities.



and mitchell gordon (the urban planning journalist) was 
writing letters to uc review to say this:



Agencies campaigning to bring in more students and the
Creative Class to this city must take initiatives to
preserve and extend affordble housing, no matter how small
the initial stepSo many of the people who kept American
cities alive and creative through dark decades, when capital
abandoned the city, have become victims of capital's recent
triumphant return to the city. Let's give this next
generation of talent a fighting changce to creatively
prosper in this city.



we're all inter-connected here, even if you or I are not 
bohemian and even if you or I are in a position to shrug 
while newcomers who can't afford it need to move on. and I 
think we could all pause and wonder what would have happened 
if laurie olin, back in 1976, had not been able to find that 
space on market street over a bar next to a strip joint 
opposite a bus station.


we may never know -- but there are people (including olin) 
who are saying look, when it comes to cities, one thing we 
do know is that we shouldn't be stacking the deck.



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Re: [UC] Dock Street and other eateries


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking of eateries, I'm still looking for just the right one for my 1500 sf 
commercial space at 4800 Baltimore Ave.   Has anyone on the list always had a 
dream of opening a restaurant?   And it would help if you're a good cook, and 
if you have the resources to build a kitchenor maybe you have a friend 
who'd like to do this?   I get phone calls all the time about the space, but 
many folks want to turn it into something that will not be a lively (as in Jane 
Jacobs' Death  Life of Great American Cities) use on our Baltimore Avenue 
main streetcontractor's office, studio space, social services, day 
careall commendable endeavors, but we are looking for a restaurantemail me off 
list.




melani, it may be your wish to have an eatery at your space 
on 4800 baltimore, but I wouldn't be using jane jacobs as a 
reason to exclude other options. what she meant by 'lively' 
is what olin means by complex, diversified environments -- 
streets where different activities are going on at different 
times of the day, where different kinds of activities 
'dovetail' to create a true mix and mosaic of people, a 
dynamic ebb and flo...


given that there are already any number of eateries 
enlivening baltimore ave, you might do well to consider 
other uses that 'fill in the missing gaps'-- if, as you say, 
you're really interested in keeping balitimore avenue 
'lively.' it may be that this other use would bring more 
traffic at different hours than eateries, or different kinds 
of people, or provide functions that would compliment, 
rather than duplicate, those of restaurants. it may be that 
this other use would then bring a need for new businesses 
nearby that otherwise wouldn't come... etc. etc.


one fun thing to try is google map. go to google and type in 
'48th st and baltimore ave philadelphia', and when you see 
the map click on it to enlarge it, and once you're at the 
big map of 48th and baltimore click on 'find businesses' at 
the top. you'll then get a search box where you can type in 
all sorts of stuff (pizza, shoes, daycare, offices, plants) 
to see what's around 48th and baltimore and what's not 
around 48th and baltimore.




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Re: [UC] The Gordon letter and Brook book