Re: [UC] My Role with the List Serve
A very good point. Let's continue. idea #2: another prerequisite to civil conversation is a commitment to answer questions as well as to ask them. A commitment to answering leads to greater care in questioning. -- Tony West good idea; let's do it publicly, right here! idea #1: there's a lot of talk about civility onlist. I believe one aspect of civility that's not been talked about is the importance of careful reading. it's so essential for civility -- a prerequisite, I'd venture to add. [aka ray] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Colt causing crime?
Guest Columnist | Colt causing crime? Congressman Bob Brady's calls - and SEPTA's decision - to remove Colt 45 malt liquor ads from buses is absurd and demeaning _http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticleustory_ id=1e08d989-c6f9-4e88-9a2c-370043e87ee6_ (http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticleustory_id=1e08d989-c6f9-4e88-9a2c-370043e87e e6) Craigsolve posted 8/02/07 @ 8:06 AM EST Dear Josh: Let me first declare my personal biases, though they do not drive my negative comments regarding you and your commentary. I know Bob Brady. I like Bob Brady. I respect Bob Brady. And, I consider myself a friend of Bob Brady. My above biases in no way drive my decision to declare you an ivory towered, ivy walled parochial immature short on life's experiences moron, who needs to spend more time off campus due SW exploring the ravages of life in the ETOH torn ghetto. Of course if your commentary is a put-up job to help the DP post copy, I admire you for so unselfishly destroying your good name to give the paper a nice look. Back to the ETOH awash ghetto that your institution along with its proxy UCD has so unscrupulously pushed into the western lying neighborhoods of color. At 6901 Woodland Avenue you will find the Outley House; a homeless shelter and substance abuse program, which draws daily into a struggling residential community and PHA apartment campus the scourge of 200 addicted men that otherwise would find much opportunity pan-handling and sleeping on university lawns and benches. Based on the client trash left around the adjacent neighborhood, though they'll drink anything ETOH based, their discarded on the street containers show a preference for malt liquors like Colt 45, especial to wash down they're crack and refer. So what you see as Brady's intellectual dishonesty and infringement of your minimalist advertising civil rights, a lot of struggling to be middle class people see it as Brady's effort to incrementally address the attack of malt liquor on the quality of their life in neighborhoods not blessed like yours. While I can't personally address the SEPTA budget shortfall, I welcome you to entertain yourself on my tab at the Inn at Penn or POD. They both sell Colt 45 to you classy kids, right? ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
[UC] Bush Undermines Campus Sex
A bitter pill for female students Cut in federal money entails increase in price of contraceptives _http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2007/08/0 2/News/A.Bitter.Pill.For.Female.Students-2929013.shtml_ (http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2007/08/02/News/A.Bitter.Pill.F or.Female.Students-2929013.shtml) Craigsolve posted 8/02/07 @ 7:14 AM EST This shouldn't be a problem for Penn kids; what with all of the high priced new housing being developed across campus there have apparently been multiple market surveys performed to establish that Penn kids have large amounts of disposable income available to underwrite their lifestyle. Of course ladies, there are several other tried and true options regarding your sexual operating expenses: 1) Establish a CPI pass through program to the partners you are servicing; don't worry gentlemen never talk. 2) Abstain from what you can not afford. Of course a few bucks more per month for birth control is less expensive and much less emotionally trying than an abortion, an arranged adoption, or interrupting your college career to bear and raise a child. And remember ladies, you will most likely embark on such a career path without your partner's emotional and financial support. You know how cheap guys can be. Life is full of difficult decisions, however managing your sex life should be one of the easiest. ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [UC] My Role with the List Serve
Subject: [UC] My Role with the List Serve All (particularly Glenn Moyer): Thanks for your reply Jon. As with Andrew Zitcer's opinion piece in a citywide paper, you should have disclosed your close relationship with Penn power brokers and leadership of Campus Philly before I did it for you, and others did for Andrew on this list. I know you but there are other individuals, who are in fact caught up with some very distressing Penn initiatives. I don't think badly of you nor do I have any reason to believe your participation was anything but a mistake. I simply disclosed your connections and the timing in this very serious matter. Please consider this a good-natured reprimand. The issue is not about a lost kitty in the neighborhood so your disclosure was very important. You are not a known regular on the list. You came onto a neighborhood listserv with complaints about this open list, which serves as a serious medium for communication in this neighborhood. Common individuals have limited opportunities to freely communicate their ideas unlike Campus Philly or Penn. In recent news accounts, this list sticks out as being so important that the discussions are referenced. Some questionable characters with close ties to the UCD assert that discussions about topics like lost kitties must be the only topics here. Those posts are important too. But I've noticed that any discussion of serious issues that might be important to all community residents are labeled as noise when the wrong viewpoints or questions are asked. At a time when a gang of list bullies is pretending that incivility here is driving them to censorship, you joined in support of the effort without offering disclosure. If you had been reading the list, you would have known that Mr. Cassidy and the small chorus of advocates for censorship on a Penn marketed site are indeed the core of a group of individuals who engage in group listserv bullying. They do the bullying against those who speak against some Penn policies and the incivility of their mates engaging in the listserv bullying. I can show you a powerful example when a couple of those whom would be banned stood up against truly disturbing behavior. A man was murdered in the neighborhood. With what seemed like perverse pleasure, Cassidy and this civil gang were making extremely disturbing callous jokes about the murder. These individuals who would be banned and do post with civility stood up to this perversity while those demanding civility were the abusive ones. In fact, one of the individuals identified to be banned is a model of civility while his character is attacked almost daily while the gang of the censored list cheers on! Had you been reading the list, you would know that the fallacious strategies of Mr Cassidy, the Penn employee with complete power and secrecy over the new list, and the gang have been thoroughly exposed and discredited. Because this is a free and uncensored list, neighbors exercising their duty as citizens exposed them just like they completely exposed Andrew Zitcer's ties to Penn! It was a serious lack of disclosure, and I hope Andrew too made a mistake. Your new post suggests you may understand why a Penn internet replacement of a neighborhood listserv, demanding censorship and control, is a threat to democratic principals in the twenty-first century??? The people you support want Penn to replace an extremely valuable community communication medium with one ruthlessly controlled and censored to support Penn policies. Jon these people look like bullies and propagandists. Penn is involved and unfortunately you have involved yourself and it appeared like Campus Philly. You're not just any employee; you are the director of Campus Philly? Please consider this request... I'd like to ask you for some help. I'd like to take a complaint about cloaking censorship directly to President Gutman's office. Penn is being used to promote censorship. Penn resources are being used to support and MARKET this new attempt at what seems like a larger pattern of neighborhood censorship. That is specifically what bothered me about Andrew's opinion piece not disclosing his connection in the issues. He was making an attempt to discredit those whose protest posters about Penn policies are mercilessly torn down by UCD? Really take a look at the censored site and the connections on a upenn.edu mailing list where it is titled Residents of University City. I went to Penn too and worked at Penn or with Penn researchers for well over a decade. I don't want to see this shame for the University. A normal subscriber would have no chance to understand the censorship and banning that is protected information under Cassidy's control. The only clue is the warning that only Cassidy may know whom is subscribed. Could you set up a meeting with Andrew Zitcer, you, and Ira Harkavy to discuss this issue? I'd like to have my
Re: [UC] My Role with the List Serve
Soon it will be very quiet because the only ones left will be the loonies.
Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:DIV { MARGIN: 0px } Subject:
[UC] My Role with the List Serve
All (particularly Glenn Moyer):
Thanks for your reply Jon.
As with Andrew Zitcers opinion piece in a citywide paper, you should have
disclosed your close relationship with Penn power brokers and leadership of
Campus Philly before I did it for you, and others did for Andrew on this list.
I know you but there are other individuals, who are in fact caught up with some
very distressing Penn initiatives. I dont think badly of you nor do I have
any reason to believe your participation was anything but a mistake. I simply
disclosed your connections and the timing in this very serious matter. Please
consider this a good-natured reprimand.
The issue is not about a lost kitty in the neighborhood so your disclosure
was very important.
You are not a known regular on the list. You came onto a neighborhood
listserv with complaints about this open list, which serves as a serious medium
for communication in this neighborhood. Common individuals have limited
opportunities to freely communicate their ideas unlike Campus Philly or Penn.
In recent news accounts, this list sticks out as being so important that the
discussions are referenced. Some questionable characters with close ties to the
UCD assert that discussions about topics like lost kitties must be the only
topics here. Those posts are important too. But I've noticed that any
discussion of serious issues that might be important to all community residents
are labeled as noise when the wrong viewpoints or questions are asked.
At a time when a gang of list bullies is pretending that incivility here is
driving them to censorship, you joined in support of the effort without
offering disclosure. If you had been reading the list, you would have known
that Mr. Cassidy and the small chorus of advocates for censorship on a Penn
marketed site are indeed the core of a group of individuals who engage in group
listserv bullying.
They do the bullying against those who speak against some Penn policies and
the incivility of their mates engaging in the listserv bullying. I can show you
a powerful example when a couple of those whom would be banned stood up against
truly disturbing behavior.
A man was murdered in the neighborhood. With what seemed like perverse
pleasure, Cassidy and this civil gang were making extremely disturbing
callous jokes about the murder.
These individuals who would be banned and do post with civility stood up to
this perversity while those demanding civility were the abusive ones. In fact,
one of the individuals identified to be banned is a model of civility while his
character is attacked almost daily while the gang of the censored list cheers
on!
Had you been reading the list, you would know that the fallacious strategies
of Mr Cassidy, the Penn employee with complete power and secrecy over the new
list, and the gang have been thoroughly exposed and discredited. Because this
is a free and uncensored list, neighbors exercising their duty as citizens
exposed them just like they completely exposed Andrew Zitcers ties to Penn!
It was a serious lack of disclosure, and I hope Andrew too made a mistake.
Your new post suggests you may understand why a Penn internet replacement of
a neighborhood listserv, demanding censorship and control, is a threat to
democratic principals in the twenty-first century??? The people you support
want Penn to replace an extremely valuable community communication medium with
one ruthlessly controlled and censored to support Penn policies.
Jon these people look like bullies and propagandists. Penn is involved and
unfortunately you have involved yourself and it appeared like Campus Philly.
Youre not just any employee; you are the director of Campus Philly?
Please consider this request...
Id like to ask you for some help. Id like to take a complaint about
cloaking censorship directly to President Gutmans office. Penn is being used
to promote censorship. Penn resources are being used to support and MARKET this
new attempt at what seems like a larger pattern of neighborhood censorship.
That is specifically what bothered me about Andrew's opinion piece not
disclosing his connection in the issues. He was making an attempt to discredit
those whose protest posters about Penn policies are mercilessly torn down by
UCD?
Really take a look at the censored site and the connections on a upenn.edu
mailing list where it is titled Residents of University City. I went to Penn
too and worked at Penn or with Penn researchers for well over a decade. I dont
want to see this shame for the University.
A normal subscriber would have no chance to understand the censorship and
banning that is protected information under Cassidy's control. The only clue
is
Re: [UC] RE: Listserve Reform of the UC list
Wait ... let's recap something here:
Sharrieff threatens Bruce on January 11 when he says: Gloves are off
Bruce..see you around the neighborhood!
Sharrieff libels Bruce (and another person) when he says they are two of
the people who have been sending me nasty private e-mails.
Something happened in the park that made Bruce run away from Sharrieff, with
his baby, making declarative statements like stay away from me!
Sharrieff accuses Bruce of a hate campaign because he promotes Phillyblog
(Did I get that one right?)
In his last email Sharrieff defames, demeans and attacks Bruce personally for
no known reason. Personally, I think you're upset because Bruce is a smarter
and funnier writer.
Kyle, can I join your list?
S. Sharrieff Ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
I think 85% of the problem is that e-mail frees many people of normal social
constraints. People will e-attack when they would never do so in person, or
not in the same inappropriate manner. I also think sometimes people can write
in a manner that sounds more harsh than they intend or realize, especially
since there are no visual cues to the contrary as would be the case in a face
to face.
Paul
The above statement really sums much of the problem up to me. It is all about
having common respect for each other
in your community, virtual or otherwise.
The so-called listserv stalker Bruce is referring to is me. And for the
record Bruce, I will match my reputation in this
community against yours any day of the week. Neighbors know what I have done
here for years and continue to do.
Bruce has been on a bully and hate campaign for quite sometime trying to
migrate people from UC-List over to
Phillyblog for years.
Bruce is someone who spends entirely too much time in the on-line world and
has adopted all the online habits
of infiltrating listservs and spreading lies and innuendo on-list and
privately after sniffing e-mail addresses of posters.
How juvenile and pathetic.
I approached Bruce in the park and all of a sudden this Listserv Bully and
Cyber-Offending Giant, looking at a 6, 200
pound man, turned into a stuttering coward who literally ran with a
baby-in-coach while screaming stay away from me!
(poor baby in coach
maybe I should have screamed DHS!)
I simply reminded him I was a real person and not someone in his video-game
world.
Wow Bruce, maybe you should have just treated me with a bit more respect
on-line and it could have been
as they say..
just a walk in the park. I never stalked you in anyway and you know it.
This kind of cyber pseudo-intimidation is
exactly why you should go where ever people like you go
to yet another
listserv. I am entirely too busy to care.
And
BTW..listserv stalker would refer to someone who is stalking someone
on-line.
Most of this mess we are talking about is related to jealousy against those
of us who actually DO SOMETHING about
building our community and empowering residents as partners with the
institutions.
Bruce, the more you attempt to defame me, privately or otherwise, the more
people realize how dysfunctional you really are.
And just what have you ever done in this community anyway?
S
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of B Andersen
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 5:10 PM
To: UnivCity listserv
Cc: pfsni list
Subject: Re: Listserve Reform of the UC list
It's self-evident. I wasn't really in favor of Kyle starting a new list
since psfni is almost dead, and I thought Univcity was salvageable.
Though I may stay on the announce list, after 8 years in this virtual
community I'm unsubscribing from univcity@list.purple.com because the signal to
noise ratio is ludicrous. Really though, the last straw was a couple of weeks
ago when I a listserve poster verbally assaulted me in Clark Park over
listserve issues and engaged in some behavior I might consider stalking.
See you all around.
b
P.S. Fair warning to the Listserve Stalker: If you come near me or my
family again, I'm going to slap a Restraining Order on you faster than you can
say Law Enforcement.
On 7/28/07, Kathy O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you please define bad traffic ?
B Andersen wrote:
I'm tired of the bad traffic here on the listserve, and I know I'm not
the only one. I propose we meet in person to discuss one (or more) of
five options:
*Develop rules and guidelines (and allow moderation)
*Migrate to psfni
*start an alternate group
*Move to a BB like Phillyblog
*leave things as they are
-
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Re: [UC] Fuck UCD and Shakespeare in the Park
C'mon, you justed wanted to say fuck. Did anyone see how many people showed up last night? Change of subject: I don't remember who said that there were thousands of emails from this listserve, but it was true. THOUSANDS. I gave up on this list a long time ago. Kyle, can I join your list? Ross Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As crazy as Glenn may be, I think that one valid point he has been making (and making and making and making) is that Commercial entities ( like UCD try to claim true artistic content as their own, and market it to the masses for the sole purpose of making money (MAMMON). That's why I'm royally pissed to see the big banner in Clark Park advertising Shakespeare in the Park as another lame UCD product. Shakespeare in Clark Park was totally the brain flash of Marla Burkholder, a REAL actress, and friends. Marla will be playing Juliet. But UCD has to insert itself as the sponsor. If Wendell Lewis gets up to make a speech on opening night about how UCD brings you Shakespeare in Clark Park, I will be the first to hurl a tomato and holde up FUCK UCD signs. Lewis Wendell is a crass middleman, seeking to gain PROFIT for himself and his organization, by sponging off and parasiting the artistic talents of the Shakespearean artists who really bring you Shakespeare in Clark Park. Fuck the Middleman, commercial geeks and profit seekers, and ALL HAIL to the ARTISTS of our HOOD, performing because they can't help themselves. -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org - Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Re: [UC] My Role with the List Serve
This is from a post of mine on July 29, 2007: ³Let¹s add to that the active recruiting of new members and/or diverting existing members to the new listserv, because the UC listserv has a bunch of, fill in the blank: crazies, cranks, belligerent non-viable entities with whom you would NEVER want to communicate and the sort of people who are just the fringe elements and not indicative of the wants of the ³real community.² or: ³Come to our listserv. You¹ll like it much better! You don¹t want to join the UC listserv because² Well... I hate to say I told you so. On 8/2/07 9:44 AM, FX Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soon it will be very quiet because the only ones left will be the loonies. Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: [UC] My Role with the List Serve All (particularly Glenn Moyer): Thanks for your reply Jon. As with Andrew Zitcer¹s opinion piece in a citywide paper, you should have disclosed your close relationship with Penn power brokers and leadership of Campus Philly before I did it for you, and others did for Andrew on this list. I know you but there are other individuals, who are in fact caught up with some very distressing Penn initiatives. I don¹t think badly of you nor do I have any reason to believe your participation was anything but a mistake. I simply disclosed your connections and the timing in this very serious matter. Please consider this a good-natured reprimand. The issue is not about a lost kitty in the neighborhood so your disclosure was very important. You are not a known regular on the list. You came onto a neighborhood listserv with complaints about this open list, which serves as a serious medium for communication in this neighborhood. Common individuals have limited opportunities to freely communicate their ideas unlike Campus Philly or Penn. In recent news accounts, this list sticks out as being so important that the discussions are referenced. Some questionable characters with close ties to the UCD assert that discussions about topics like lost kitties must be the only topics here. Those posts are important too. But I've noticed that any discussion of serious issues that might be important to all community residents are labeled as noise when the wrong viewpoints or questions are asked. At a time when a gang of list bullies is pretending that incivility here is driving them to censorship, you joined in support of the effort without offering disclosure. If you had been reading the list, you would have known that Mr. Cassidy and the small chorus of advocates for censorship on a Penn marketed site are indeed the core of a group of individuals who engage in group listserv bullying. They do the bullying against those who speak against some Penn policies and the incivility of their mates engaging in the listserv bullying. I can show you a powerful example when a couple of those whom would be banned stood up against truly disturbing behavior. A man was murdered in the neighborhood. With what seemed like perverse pleasure, Cassidy and this civil gang were making extremely disturbing callous jokes about the murder. These individuals who would be banned and do post with civility stood up to this perversity while those demanding civility were the abusive ones. In fact, one of the individuals identified to be banned is a model of civility while his character is attacked almost daily while the gang of the censored list cheers on! Had you been reading the list, you would know that the fallacious strategies of Mr Cassidy, the Penn employee with complete power and secrecy over the new list, and the gang have been thoroughly exposed and discredited. Because this is a free and uncensored list, neighbors exercising their duty as citizens exposed them just like they completely exposed Andrew Zitcer¹s ties to Penn! It was a serious lack of disclosure, and I hope Andrew too made a mistake. Your new post suggests you may understand why a Penn internet replacement of a neighborhood listserv, demanding censorship and control, is a threat to democratic principals in the twenty-first century??? The people you support want Penn to replace an extremely valuable community communication medium with one ruthlessly controlled and censored to support Penn policies. Jon these people look like bullies and propagandists. Penn is involved and unfortunately you have involved yourself and it appeared like Campus Philly. You¹re not just any employee; you are the director of Campus Philly? Please consider this request... I¹d like to ask you for some help. I¹d like to take a complaint about cloaking censorship directly to President Gutman¹s office. Penn is being used to promote censorship. Penn resources are being used to support and MARKET this new attempt at what seems like a larger pattern of neighborhood censorship. That is
Re: [UC] My Role with the List Serve
Re: [UC] My Role with the List ServeRespect for the principles of open expression Truthfulness and honesty in personal and computer identification; Wilma, I deleted Winkler from this reply because he is a barking cheese now. Someone forwarded the links to the Penn policy on use of electronic resources. Cloaking the censorship policy of [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well as pre banning a Resident Of University City as Penn is now calling barking cheese, would appear to violate the highest core principals of Penn's stated policy. You are right on target with the criticisms you've shared with me. Glenn - Original Message - From: Wilma de Soto To: FX Winkler ; Glenn ; Jonathan Herrmann ; UnivCity listserv Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [UC] My Role with the List Serve This is from a post of mine on July 29, 2007: Let's add to that the active recruiting of new members and/or diverting existing members to the new listserv, because the UC listserv has a bunch of, fill in the blank: crazies, cranks, belligerent non-viable entities with whom you would NEVER want to communicate and the sort of people who are just the fringe elements and not indicative of the wants of the real community. or: Come to our listserv. You'll like it much better! You don't want to join the UC listserv because Well... I hate to say I told you so. On 8/2/07 9:44 AM, FX Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soon it will be very quiet because the only ones left will be the loonies. Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: [UC] My Role with the List Serve All (particularly Glenn Moyer): Thanks for your reply Jon. As with Andrew Zitcer's opinion piece in a citywide paper, you should have disclosed your close relationship with Penn power brokers and leadership of Campus Philly before I did it for you, and others did for Andrew on this list. I know you but there are other individuals, who are in fact caught up with some very distressing Penn initiatives. I don't think badly of you nor do I have any reason to believe your participation was anything but a mistake. I simply disclosed your connections and the timing in this very serious matter. Please consider this a good-natured reprimand. The issue is not about a lost kitty in the neighborhood so your disclosure was very important. You are not a known regular on the list. You came onto a neighborhood listserv with complaints about this open list, which serves as a serious medium for communication in this neighborhood. Common individuals have limited opportunities to freely communicate their ideas unlike Campus Philly or Penn. In recent news accounts, this list sticks out as being so important that the discussions are referenced. Some questionable characters with close ties to the UCD assert that discussions about topics like lost kitties must be the only topics here. Those posts are important too. But I've noticed that any discussion of serious issues that might be important to all community residents are labeled as noise when the wrong viewpoints or questions are asked. At a time when a gang of list bullies is pretending that incivility here is driving them to censorship, you joined in support of the effort without offering disclosure. If you had been reading the list, you would have known that Mr. Cassidy and the small chorus of advocates for censorship on a Penn marketed site are indeed the core of a group of individuals who engage in group listserv bullying. They do the bullying against those who speak against some Penn policies and the incivility of their mates engaging in the listserv bullying. I can show you a powerful example when a couple of those whom would be banned stood up against truly disturbing behavior. A man was murdered in the neighborhood. With what seemed like perverse pleasure, Cassidy and this civil gang were making extremely disturbing callous jokes about the murder. These individuals who would be banned and do post with civility stood up to this perversity while those demanding civility were the abusive ones. In fact, one of the individuals identified to be banned is a model of civility while his character is attacked almost daily while the gang of the censored list cheers on! Had you been reading the list, you would know that the fallacious strategies of Mr Cassidy, the Penn employee with complete power and secrecy over the new list, and the gang have been thoroughly exposed and discredited. Because this is a free and uncensored list, neighbors exercising their duty as citizens exposed them just like they completely exposed Andrew Zitcer's ties to Penn! It was a serious lack of disclosure, and I hope Andrew
Re: [UC] My Role with the List Serve
Or this: The use of University computer resources for private business or commercial activities (except where such activities are otherwise permitted or authorized under applicable University policies), fundraising or advertising on behalf of non-University organizations...are prohibited. The following activities and behaviors are prohibited: Making University computing resources available to individuals not affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania without approval of an authorized University official; Intentionally infringing upon the intellectual property rights of others in computer programs or electronic information (including plagiarism and unauthorized use or reproduction). It's all here: http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/osl/electron.html So...don't promote your business; don't tell anyone to give to a charitable organization, including FOCP, etc., or attend their activities; only Penn employees will be allowed to moderate the list; and there will be no excerpts from other publications. Interesting. It looks like someone didn't do their homework. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Aug 2, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Glenn wrote: Respect for the principles of open expression Truthfulness and honesty in personal and computer identification; Wilma, I deleted Winkler from this reply because he is a barking cheese now. Someone forwarded the links to the Penn policy on use of electronic resources. Cloaking the censorship policy of [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well as pre banning a Resident Of University City as Penn is now calling barking cheese, would appear to violate the highest core principals of Penn's stated policy. You are right on target with the criticisms you've shared with me. Glenn - Original Message - From: Wilma de Soto To: FX Winkler ; Glenn ; Jonathan Herrmann ; UnivCity listserv Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [UC] My Role with the List Serve This is from a post of mine on July 29, 2007: “Let’s add to that the active recruiting of new members and/or diverting existing members to the new listserv, because the UC listserv has a bunch of, fill in the blank: crazies, cranks, belligerent non-viable entities with whom you would NEVER want to communicate and the sort of people who are just the fringe elements and not indicative of the wants of the “real community.” or: “Come to our listserv. You’ll like it much better! You don’t want to join the UC listserv because” Well... I hate to say I told you so. On 8/2/07 9:44 AM, FX Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soon it will be very quiet because the only ones left will be the loonies. Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: [UC] My Role with the List Serve All (particularly Glenn Moyer): Thanks for your reply Jon. As with Andrew Zitcer’s opinion piece in a citywide paper, you should have disclosed your close relationship with Penn power brokers and leadership of Campus Philly before I did it for you, and others did for Andrew on this list. I know you but there are other individuals, who are in fact caught up with some very distressing Penn initiatives. I don’t think badly of you nor do I have any reason to believe your participation was anything but a mistake. I simply disclosed your connections and the timing in this very serious matter. Please consider this a good-natured reprimand. The issue is not about a lost kitty in the neighborhood so your disclosure was very important. You are not a known regular on the list. You came onto a neighborhood listserv with complaints about this open list, which serves as a serious medium for communication in this neighborhood. Common individuals have limited opportunities to freely communicate their ideas unlike Campus Philly or Penn. In recent news accounts, this list sticks out as being so important that the discussions are referenced. Some questionable characters with close ties to the UCD assert that discussions about topics like lost kitties must be the only topics here. Those posts are important too. But I've noticed that any discussion of serious issues that might be important to all community residents are labeled as noise when the wrong viewpoints or questions are asked. At a time when a gang of list bullies is pretending that incivility here is driving them to censorship, you joined in support of the effort without offering disclosure. If you had been reading the list, you would have known that Mr. Cassidy and the small chorus of advocates for censorship on a Penn marketed site are indeed the core of a group of individuals who engage in group listserv bullying. They do the bullying against those who speak against some Penn policies and the incivility of their mates engaging in the listserv bullying. I can show you a powerful example when a couple of those whom would be banned stood up against truly disturbing
Re: [UC] My Role with the List Serve
This important posting is for subscribers to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com) only. Subscribers to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) are requested to play by the honor system (or, at least, not risk being exposed to spewed filth or mean-spirited rants) and not read what follows: In a message dated 8/2/2007 1:47:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So...don't promote your business; don't tell anyone to give to a charitable organization, including FOCP, etc., or attend their activities; only Penn employees will be allowed to moderate the list; and there will be no excerpts from other publications. Interesting. It looks like someone didn't do their homework. I guess that a certain real-estate broker from Urban Bye will have to delete her signature. Always at your service ready for a dialog, Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident, housing provider, curmudgeon, and all-around crank, ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [UC] My Role with the List Serve
I guess so...if she can remember. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. On Aug 2, 2007, at 01:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This important posting is for subscribers to UnivCity@list.purple.com only. Subscribers to [EMAIL PROTECTED] are requested to play by the honor system (or, at least, not risk being exposed to spewed filth or mean-spirited rants) and not read what follows: In a message dated 8/2/2007 1:47:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So...don't promote your business; don't tell anyone to give to a charitable organization, including FOCP, etc., or attend their activities; only Penn employees will be allowed to moderate the list; and there will be no excerpts from other publications. Interesting. It looks like someone didn't do their homework. I guess that a certain real-estate broker from Urban Bye will have to delete her signature. Always at your service ready for a dialog, Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident, housing provider, curmudgeon, and all-around crank, Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.
Re: [UC] My Role with the List Serve
This important posting is for subscribers to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com) only. Subscribers to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) are requested to play by the honor system (or, at least, not risk being exposed to spewed filth or mean-spirited rants) and not read what follows: In a message dated 8/2/2007 2:15:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess so...if she can remember. Frankus Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible. No doubt, her fellow sweetbarkingcheesers will let her know that she's putting the kinder/gentler discussion group in jeopardy... although they'll undoubtedly do it without spewing the filth or engaging in the mean-spirited rants Phil Forrest and Brian Siano, respectively, accuse me and others on this list of doing (without substantiating these constructive criticisms, of course). Al Krigman (trying to do well by doing good) ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [UC] RE: Listserve Reform of the UC list
In a message dated 8/2/2007 9:44:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kyle, can I join your list? Dear FX: You must have missed it, but Kyle resigned from the UC list when he started up the [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) list. So he may not be getting your request to join. In the true spirit of community, though, I'm happy to let you know that if you want to join the other civil people in the 'hood -- go to _http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors_ (http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors) I'm pretty sure that you don't have to know the secret handshake until after you've been accepted for membership. But, if not, they'll let you know about the next meet-up at the Red Light District outdoor cafe where you can be interviewed by the membership committee and taught the handshake if you're judged worthy. When you're gone, we will miss your bright eyes and sweet smile (as the song goes). Al Krigman ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets
Ross Bender wrote: I was just reading an article in the New York Review of Books titled The Women and the Gods, a review of Portrait of a Priestess: Women and Ritual in Ancient Greece when an ad for books on Urban Studies from Penn Press caught my eye. First item on the list was a book by our own Judy Rodin titled The University and Urban Revival: Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets. I hurried to Amazon.com http://Amazon.com and found this synopsis: In the last quarter of the twentieth century, urban colleges and universities found themselves enveloped by the poverty, crime, and physical decline that afflicted American cities. Some institutions turned inward, trying to insulate themselves rather than address the problems in their own backyards. Others attempted to develop better community relations, though changes were hard to sustain. Spurred by an unprecedented crime wave in 1996, University of Pennsylvania President Judith Rodin knew that the time for urgent action had arrived, and she set a new course of proactive community engagement for her university. Her dedication to the revitalization of West Philadelphia was guided by her role not only as president but also as a woman and a mother with a deep affection for her hometown. The goal was to build capacity back into a severely distressed inner-city neighborhood - educational capacity, retail capacity, quality-of-life capacity, and especially economic capacity - guided by the belief that town and gown could unite as one richly diverse community. Cities rely on their academic institutions as stable places of employment, cultural centers, civic partners, and concentrated populations of consumers for local business and services. And a competitive university demands a vibrant neighborhood to meet the needs of its faculty, staff, and students. In keeping with their mission, urban universities are uniquely positioned to lead their communities in revitalization efforts, yet this effort requires resolute persistence. During Rodin's administration (1994-2004), the Chronicle of Higher Education referred to Penn's progress as a national model of constructive town-gown interaction and partnership. This book narrates the challenges, frustrations, and successes of Penn's campaign, and its prospects for long-term change. Apart from the fact that Judy blatantly ripped off the slogan Out of the closet and into the streets, I was shocked and appalled that the myth of Judy as the savior of West Philly has now been packaged in a 224 page, cloth-bound book, only $34.95. Anybody want to go in with me to buy the book so we can have a public burning at the Turtle in Clark Park? If ten of us chip in, that'll only be about 3 and a half bucks apiece. If twenty of us chip in, even less. So now Judy is enshrined as a goddess, who rode the winged horse Market Forces into our nasty ghetto hood and and built capacity back into a severely distressed inner-city neighborhood. Makes me wanna hurl chunks. some articles have just appeared that relate to all this: http://gothamist.com/2007/08/01/columbia_may_ta.php Columbia May Take Some Expansion Cues From Penn http://www.observer.com/2007/can-t-we-all-just-get-along?page=0%2C1 Can't We All Just Get Along? Judith Rodin transformed the relationship between the University of Pennsylvania and its Philadelphia neighborhood. What can she teach Lee Bollinger about Columbia and Harlem? .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets
and this: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/nyregion/thecity/22manh.html? ex=1342756800en=8b256b2e1d8e1c13ei=5090partner=rssuserlandemc=rss Frank On Aug 2, 2007, at 05:17 PM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: Ross Bender wrote: I was just reading an article in the New York Review of Books titled The Women and the Gods, a review of Portrait of a Priestess: Women and Ritual in Ancient Greece when an ad for books on Urban Studies from Penn Press caught my eye. First item on the list was a book by our own Judy Rodin titled The University and Urban Revival: Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets. I hurried to Amazon.com http://Amazon.com and found this synopsis: In the last quarter of the twentieth century, urban colleges and universities found themselves enveloped by the poverty, crime, and physical decline that afflicted American cities. Some institutions turned inward, trying to insulate themselves rather than address the problems in their own backyards. Others attempted to develop better community relations, though changes were hard to sustain. Spurred by an unprecedented crime wave in 1996, University of Pennsylvania President Judith Rodin knew that the time for urgent action had arrived, and she set a new course of proactive community engagement for her university. Her dedication to the revitalization of West Philadelphia was guided by her role not only as president but also as a woman and a mother with a deep affection for her hometown. The goal was to build capacity back into a severely distressed inner-city neighborhood - educational capacity, retail capacity, quality-of-life capacity, and especially economic capacity - guided by the belief that town and gown could unite as one richly diverse community. Cities rely on their academic institutions as stable places of employment, cultural centers, civic partners, and concentrated populations of consumers for local business and services. And a competitive university demands a vibrant neighborhood to meet the needs of its faculty, staff, and students. In keeping with their mission, urban universities are uniquely positioned to lead their communities in revitalization efforts, yet this effort requires resolute persistence. During Rodin's administration (1994-2004), the Chronicle of Higher Education referred to Penn's progress as a national model of constructive town-gown interaction and partnership. This book narrates the challenges, frustrations, and successes of Penn's campaign, and its prospects for long-term change. Apart from the fact that Judy blatantly ripped off the slogan Out of the closet and into the streets, I was shocked and appalled that the myth of Judy as the savior of West Philly has now been packaged in a 224 page, cloth-bound book, only $34.95. Anybody want to go in with me to buy the book so we can have a public burning at the Turtle in Clark Park? If ten of us chip in, that'll only be about 3 and a half bucks apiece. If twenty of us chip in, even less. So now Judy is enshrined as a goddess, who rode the winged horse Market Forces into our nasty ghetto hood and and built capacity back into a severely distressed inner-city neighborhood. Makes me wanna hurl chunks. some articles have just appeared that relate to all this: http://gothamist.com/2007/08/01/columbia_may_ta.php Columbia May Take Some Expansion Cues From Penn http://www.observer.com/2007/can-t-we-all-just-get-along?page=0%2C1 Can't We All Just Get Along? Judith Rodin transformed the relationship between the University of Pennsylvania and its Philadelphia neighborhood. What can she teach Lee Bollinger about Columbia and Harlem? .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Carjacking at 44th Larchwood
From the other list: (Thanks, Noddy.) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:34:33 -0400 From: Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Ucneighbors] Carjacking at 44th Larchwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed A woman was carjacked at 44th Larchwood around 10:30pm last night. She was parking her late-model Nissan right at the corner, on Larchwood. Another vehicle, with two slim Black males in it, was also parked at the corner, on 44th St. As the woman was unloading her packages, accompanied by her young son, the two men left their car and approached her. One displayed a gun and told her to give her the keys to her car. They allowed her to keep her money and belongings. Both drove away in her car, leaving their stake-out vehicle parked on the corner. For a glum followup: when the police arrived, the woman pointed out the stakeout vehicle, which was still parked at the corner. The police, however, wrote down the license number of the vehicle in front of it, which belonged to a neighbor. That's the vehicle the police towtruck came and removed! By the time the police returned the neighbor's car, the robbers (it appears) had returned, picked up their stakeout vehicle and driven it away. -- Tony West
Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets
/The Mennonites: Photographs by Larry Towell/ just opened at Arthur Ross Gallery on Penn campus, at 220 S. 34^th St. This black-and-white collection represents 10 years of work with a specific community that spans two nations. It combines an artistic effort with skill at ethnography and a concern for communities being buffeted by contemporary global economic pressures. It is at once lush and spare, honest and moving. The Towell exhibit was organized in part by Magnum, a business agency for fine-arts photographers. It is on tour now; its last stop was Paris. One of half a dozen different galleries on Penn campus, Arthur Ross is in the Fine Arts Library building. Although small, it is the only exhibition space with license to range across every artform at will. It is entirely owned by the University of Pennsylvania but independent of any department, explained Associate Director Dejáy B. Duckett. Its bedrock funding consists of a dedicated endowment by a single large donor around 30 years ago. This pays for organizational functions, carried out by a salaried staff of three together with contract work like UC-list's own Ray Rorke, who prepares vinyl exhibit signage for AG on demand, for pay. He's very talented, said Sara Stewart, gallery coordinator. However, the cost of ARG's exhibits (which number in 2007) is entirely borne by large and mid-sized private grantors. This money comes from in part from a stable of sources; most are other branches of Penn but many are independent donors. During any one year, a half-dozen different ones may be tapped. ARG draws heavily from a support group, Friends of Arthur Ross Gallery. Long headed by the famed Broadway actress Kitty Carlisle Hart, who recently died, FoARG covers an essential component of ARG's ongoing program of exhibits. It has no internet page, no public meetings and can only be contacted through personal reference. Exact fiscal numbers are not available. Because ARG is a branch of Penn, all of its budget details are confidential, as are minutes of all its organizational meetings. Its 2007 activity ranges between $100,000 and $1 million, Duckett suggested. ARG is committed to carrying out the agenda of all its grantors, Duckett affirmed. If a grantor comes with an exhibit in mind that fits ARG criteria and needs, ARG will gladly consider it. ARG has never rejected a grant for political or other reasons, Duckett said. Some of the time, though, grantwork flows the other way. Exhibits seek out the Gallery, which then seeks out familiar sources to cover the expenses. The ultimate grantor for ARG is the University of Pennsylvania, which directly salaries all its employees. It is Penn's agenda that rules. Every exhibit must be hooked into an educational and artistic mission that involves and enhances some other branch of Penn. There is no corresponding commitment for ARG to represent the University City or West Philadelphia community. The Gallery holds no public meetings and provides no internet services to facilitate community feedback or input into its shows, at this time. It is about to launch a listserve, however. That does not mean the Gallery is closed to community contacts. The best way for anyone to explore anything like that, said Duckett, is to contact me and arrange a personal meeting with me. Marketing and publicity is crucial to ARG's mission. It pushes out press releases through Penn News, the university's PR department, but has no further resources beyond its own staff time. The current exhibit is a good example. A Penn intern, Liz Frasco, contacted a wide array of Pennsylvania Mennonite churches, schools and cultural institutions to publicize the Towell show. One of her contacts was the University City Mennonite congregation. Their administrative assistant did express concern that the title of the exhibit was misleading, Duckett related. Most Mennonites, in particular the Mennonites of University City, live a very different life from that portrayed in Towell's photography. They are multi-ethnic, with churches in Chinese and Spanish as well as English. German is little spoken in this city. Philadelphia Mennonites seek to function conventionally in the urban environment where they live. Towell's work, however, is devoted to one branch of Mennonism labeled the 'Old Colony Mennonites'. This community settled in Russia 300 years ago, leaving behind a German-speaking homeland. Whenever times turned tough for this group, from 1890 to 1990, most emigrated, first to Canada, then to Mexico, then back to Canada, always looking for viable agricultural land. The carefully curated exhibit makes clear the complex and shifting social boundaries of the particular group Towell worked with. Towell will be present at a reception at the Gallery
[UC] Can't we all just get along . . .
The discussions on these listservs has been very contentious lately. People arguing about the UCD. People arguing about Clark Park. People arguing about listservs, for God's sake. I was thinking about how we can bring people together and, perhaps for at least a brief period of time, quell the arguing. Then it hit me. Alcohol. Yes, alcohol could bring us together. To that end, Denise and I would like to invite anyone who would care to come over Saturday evening (August 4) after Romeo and Juliet in Clark Park. The play starts at 7PM. We live at 43rd and Regent, right across the street from Clark Park. Shakespeare in Clark Park seemed as good an excuse as we could think of for a party. Saturday seemed to be the best day to entertain. We certainly do not know everyone on these listservs (however many there might be today), but we are always interested in meeting our neighbors. Whether or not you go to the play, stop over if you can. And whether you stop over or not, you should try and get to Romeo and Juliet while it is playing. n Matt Wolfe and Denise Furey 4256 Regent Square SE Corner of 43rd Street and Regent Square, across from Clark Park 215-387-5641 215-387-7300 J. Matthew Wolfe Law Office of Alice W. Ballard, P.C. 1616 Walnut Street, Suite 2205 Philadelphia, PA 19103 (215) 893-9990 Fax (215) 893-9997 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4256 Regent Square Philadelphia, PA 19104 (215) 387-7300
