RE: [UC] South Street Bridge
I was impressed by the clarity of this report (linked at the bottom of that article): Read a draft of the plan for the South Street Bridge at http://go.philly.com/bridgedesign From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Frank Sent: Sun 4/6/2008 5:51 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] South Street Bridge Inga Saffron on the South Street Bridge. http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080406_A_redraw_for_bridge.html I had no idea the current plan removes the bus stop across from the SEPTA Regional Rail station! Frank You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Recent Restriction
Actually, I'm on it and I don't remember any anti-UC-listserv posts, but I'm sure someone will write to me in haste telling me I'm wrong. In any case, the restriction may have had something to do with a huge SPAM bombardment recently that Kyle mentioned. My impression is that Kyle really spends little or no time these days thinking about the UClist at all, so I doubt he would have privatized the archives to keep any of you from looking at them. Maybe I'll ask him about it... ELISABETH DUBIN RMJM Hillier One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | rmjmhillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:31 AM To: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Recent Restriction Actually, If this is the case, I find this to be most revealing of all. UC Neighbors indeed. It is unfair, in my opinion, for their members to be able to access comments on this listserv, (subscribed or not), but not the reverse. I consider this especially serious since UCNeighbors presents itself as a community listserv alternative to THIS listserv where more civil discourse is the key. The timing of this restriction also speaks volumes. For those who ARE subscribed there, my opinion is this: I see little reason to restrict access to conversations about coffee shops, new restaurants, Curio Theater, Calvary Crossroads, house mice etc. The discussion must be taking a decidedly different, less civil and perhaps more belligerent turn where the UC Listserv is concerned for the archives to suddenly be restricted. I consider this so especially in light of the results of February 13th Zoning meeting and the subsequent nature of posts here on THIS listserv by some of their subscribers. If I am mistaken about this, I am prepared to apologize to all concerned via this listserv and say no more about it. However, I would like to see for myself if this is not the case. As it stands now I am unable to do that and if I could, how would one know if some of the more strident anti-UC listserv posts were filtered or removed before one is allowed access. Wilma I just tried to view the archives of kyle's list, and arrived here: http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/private/ucneighbors/ ucneighbors Private Archives Authentication the archives of kyle's list are now private, apparently. On 2/20/08 12:21 AM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just tried to view the archives of kyle's list, and arrived here: http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/private/ucneighbors/ ucneighbors Private Archives Authentication the archives of kyle's list are now private, apparently. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] testing
My messages aren't posting again, so this is a test. ELISABETH DUBIN
[UC] Interesting time pocket on the list
This is a test - I'm sending this at 2:27 pm. (My last posts took something close to 2-1/2 hours to show up.) ELISABETH DUBIN RMJM Hillier One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | rmjmhillier.com
RE: [UC] USPS delivery issues
Just to throw my info in, we used to get mail delivered reasonably well by a surly baldish guy. He was pretty grim in his demeanor. Now, we have this guy named Charles, who is, like, the best postman ever. He's weirdly friendly! Like, super duper amiable and he even remembers my mom's name and she doesn't even live in this state. He always asks after the baby by name, and is very easygoing about the dog trying to get at him through the glass. And this, on the infamous 4600 block of Hazel! All I can say is that it seems we're getting all our mail and everything's in order. ELISABETH DUBIN RMJM Hillier One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | rmjmhillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathleen Turner Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:13 AM To: UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] USPS delivery issues None of this sounds new. For the 16 years that we lived in the 4300 block of Pine, we had constant problems with mail delivery. Frequently got mail for the wrong house number or the wrong street, so we were pretty sure that some of our mail was going astray as well. We always tried to drop the mail off at the correct address, and occasionally had others do the same for us. Complaints to the post office did nothing. In the three years that we've lived at 49th and Chancellor, our mail delivery has been wonderful. We still get some mail for the former (deceased) owners of the house, but everything seems to go to the right address, and always before noon. Just for reference, we're now in 39, and our post office is at 51st and Sansom. Kathleen
RE: [UC] Sam Olshin is no Frank Geary or Le Corbusier... but
Sam Olshin is no Frank Gehry or Le Corbusier... Thank goodness for small favors. Interesting article, and I'm sure the book would be a very enjoyable read. (Mr. Silber doesn't like the Louvre pyramid??? Come on. It's perfect.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 11/23/2007 4:30 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Sam Olshin is no Frank Geary or Le Corbusier... but Sam Olshin is no Frank Geary or Le Corbusier... and what he's shown at his informal presentations so far are pedestrian rather than genius architecture. But an a review of Architecture of the Absurd in today's Wall Street Journal has a lot to say about the mess he'll make with Lussenhop's Folly if it's not stopped (or moved to a more suitable location). Some quotes from the Journal's review (entitled: When Buildings Stopped Making Sense): 1. A truly absurd building, Mr. Silber says, is one that has absurdity built into its intention. An example is Mr. Pei's pyramid at the Louvre, in Paris. Mr. Pei sited his glass pyramid in such a way as to block the classic facades of the Louvre itself. It was a deliberate act of cultural vandalism, in Mr. Silber's view. ... by what right did [Pei] spoil the view of that magnificent space? 2. When an architect longs to trample over the lives of hundreds of thousands to enact a plan he believes is more real than his fellow men, who must live with his plans while he need not, we can see that it is a short step from 'pure architecture' to cruelly absurd, abusive, and debasing dictatorship. 3. The great enablers ... have been nonprofit corporations, especially museums and universities, where decisions are made by persons who are not spending their own money, who take no personal financial risk, and who often lack the knowledge and experience in building necessary to ensure that the needs of the institution are met. 4. [the author describes] the absurdities of buildings such as Steven Holl's Simmons Hall dormitories at MIT It's an example of what nonprofit institutions allow themselves to be talked into by architects whose Theoryspeak proves irresistible to boards of culturally insecure trustees. 5. [An architect's] clients... should not forfeit their dignity as persons and allow themselves, through vanity, gullibility or timidity, to be seduced You can read the whole article (and verify that I haven't slipped another Prince Charles in there) at http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119578134568501693.html Happy Thanksgiving to all, Al Krigman Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the hottest products http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 and top money wasters http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop000302 of 2007. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Studying Closely
Tony said, That's why I recommend you avail yourself of every opportunity to study Lussenhop's proposal closely. Is there any way to do so if I haven't been able to attend the meetings so far? I wish there was a website that Lussenhop's team would post their proposal on, so I could closely study the design and proposal. Right now I'm not able to go to many of the meetings because of the new baby and all, but I'm still interested in any graphic info I could study... ELISABETH DUBIN RMJM Hillier One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | rmjmhillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony West Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:13 PM To: UnivCity listserv Subject: [UC] How developers work (Was: Re: What you mean 'public', community man?) Karen, I do so get to define you. If I think highly of you, which I do, I get to say so in public. If I think a comment of yours is pointless, I get to say so in public. That is /not the same /as cursing, not a question of universal manners. UC-list is a medium of amateur journalism. You can define me right back. Pointless are your assertions either Lussenhop or I made these claims you keep claiming we each claimed. As far as I can tell by reading, neither he nor I made such a claim. So why not just quit it? I return now to my earlier question, 'Why this internet rage?'. Not just yours, but so many other people's, that surround this developer's proposal. I honestly don't know. Perhaps University Citizens have been too isolated from experience from large- and mid-scale development over the past 20 years, so few people on this list know what it actually involves. I probably wouldn't either if I hadn't worked outside the neighborhood. But I have covered a lot of stuff happening in other neighborhoods, particularly Northern Liberties, where some projects recently planted or now on the table make Lussenhop's hotel look like a toothpick. I've covered a lot of developers and a lot of neighbors trying to track those developments. No developer is an angel all the time and some are more devious than others, to be sure. But then, their community foes aren't all a bunch of Gandhis either. I have to say, from the little I've seen so far, that while community concern and angst and suspicion are perfectly normal, healthy and legitimate -- Lussenhop isn't doing anything abnormal or substandard as he goes about the process of seeking his project. This is what they all do; it's legal and necessary to their business. Doesn't mean the project has to be approved ... that's a different question altogether. This business of pounding away at the developers themselves -- depicting their persons as sinister conspirators and their deeds as semi-criminal -- is, in my opinion, a waste of time, most of the time. ZBA has heard all this before. People who assault neighbors' characters and raise dubious consternations about process tend not to be comfortable with the real issues at hand, which are both vital and technical. That's why I recommend you avail yourself of every opportunity to study Lussenhop's proposal closely. Information is what the community needs at this point, not invective. Don't be distracted by the spurious comfort of mudslinging. And don't shoot the messenger. You need more messengers, not fewer. -- Tony West Lussenhop is trying to pass off appearances in the neighborhood as public meetings, despite the fact that there has been absolutely no attempt by him, his friends or his apologists to reach the average UC resident who does not happen to belong to the Historical Society, SHCA or any of the entities who show up at First Thursday or the Friends of 40th Street. Those organizations reach a small percentage of UC residents, and all UC residents, and not just the members of those groups, have a right to be informed and to be heard. I am not parsing words as you seem to be doing. Is SHCA or this list public? Yes, in a narrow way. Anyone who chooses to join are part of that public that makes up these entities. They are not private. But are these entities all-inclusive? No. You still insist on calling what I wrote to be insulting nonsense when I made it very clear what I meant by public and why what Lussenhop is doing is not going to pass muster in front of the Zoning Board if he tries to palm his appearances off as being public meetings. I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and I'm not going to change my opinion. And if Lussenhop appears before the Zoning Board and tries to claim those appearances qualify as public meetings, I'm going to see to it that that claim is challenged. You will note that in my reaction to your insults that I did not ask for an apology. I don't ask for apologies because a bell cannot be unrung. I also regard an apology accompanied with excuses and more insults to not be
[UC] PHC meeting friday
Who attended the PHC meeting/hearing this past friday? I could not attend but am interested in what transpired. (As a side note, I have also been unable to post to this list for quite some time - my messages get bounced back. I'm trying again here.) Elisabeth You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Stolen Windows
Hi all - Our house on the 4600 block of Hazel was burglarized on Thursday and the leaded windows stolen. Do you have any tips for me or information on other similar crimes in the area? I'm willing to expend some effort to hunt them down, knowing it probably won't be fruitful. Dejectedly, Elisabeth Dubin You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Sad commentary
Who cares about the element? If anyone would care, it would be the university, and clearly they don't have a problem with the idea of attracting the element. I'm totally grossed out by the idea of those food choices going into the Moravian, and it's not out of snobbery -- KFC and Taco Bell food make me actually nauseous. But more importantly, THEY ARE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU (especially the KFC) and the university should realize that students with little time and money will go there as the path of least resistance. The leadership owes it to their own student body to provide healthier options, I mean, it's like setting up a liquor store next to an AA clinic. Jeez. I can't get over it. You would also think the university would try to de-franchise their image - I mean, what do they have on Walnut now? A GAP, an Ann Taylor Loft, a Barnes-and-Noble-student-bookstore, a COSI... The only non-franchised stuff there is the White Dog and Avril 50. Am I wrong in thinking that a college town should have, god forbid, character? I'm going to cut and paste this mini-tirade and send it to the DP. P.S. Let the record show that I agree with Al (!). ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Krull Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:09 AM To: Ben; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary It might be that they are not as upscale and might invite the element Thats my guess -Original Message- From: Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 19, 2005 8:59 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary At 08:01 AM 4/19/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today's DP has an article about what's going into the commercial space at 34th Walnut to replace the Moravian cafe etc. IM(not so)HO, it's either a sad commentary on the penn Administration for thinking this is the way to serve the University and surrounding Communites, or a sad commentary on the University and surrounding communities for this being what they actually want. I must be sad because I'm happy about the choices of what is moving in. While I've never been to Quiznos, I'm happy to see some of the fast food I enjoy eating being in the area. The KFC at 45th and market is scary and the one on Broad whatever isn't the best. I frequent the T-Bell on City line which is nice but I'm happy not to have to drive that far when I'm craving these places. While these aren't places I say I go to often, it's nice to have them close. What is the issue you have with them? -Ben You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Sad commentary
Of course you are allowed to voice your opinion. But we have an obesity issue these days, not to mention hypertension and high cholesterol. Sorry, but since some people out there don't know that this crap is hardly food at all (given how unhealthy it is) I think the more of these places there are the more the trickery continues. It's not FOOD!!! Just because it's in a restaurant doesn't mean it's food. (It's people. Hah hah.) ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:39 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary I understand the importance of eating at local mom and pop stores, and I frequent them often. But I actually agree that U of P should have some fast food chains that international and national students are accustomed to. Places like KFC, and Taco Bell may attract the wrong kind of people Penn wants in their neighborhood, but they are all relatively inexpensive for a quick meal. Also, you know what you are expecting. As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's and Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He was having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses around. Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what you'll do with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification will be here at last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs to be a equal amount (or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of restaurants. And the fact is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger King, Wendy's, White Castle, Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, Denny's, Arby's, Chik-Filet, Pizza Hut, or other common fast food place you can normally find anywhere else but in the immediate University City District. So I actually support some other options that students can go to. I am sure to get some emails regarding my opinion. But I am allowed to voice it even if it doesn't match yours. Dan Myers 215.901.0899 Certified Massage Practitioner --- Healing is related to our capacity to experience and embrace life as it is. Often this means accepting the unacceptable, making peace with disintegration, and loving whatever we face. -Rachel Harris, MD - Original Message - From: Dubin, Elisabeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary Who cares about the element? If anyone would care, it would be the university, and clearly they don't have a problem with the idea of attracting the element. I'm totally grossed out by the idea of those food choices going into the Moravian, and it's not out of snobbery -- KFC and Taco Bell food make me actually nauseous. But more importantly, THEY ARE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU (especially the KFC) and the university should realize that students with little time and money will go there as the path of least resistance. The leadership owes it to their own student body to provide healthier options, I mean, it's like setting up a liquor store next to an AA clinic. Jeez. I can't get over it. You would also think the university would try to de-franchise their image - I mean, what do they have on Walnut now? A GAP, an Ann Taylor Loft, a Barnes-and-Noble-student-bookstore, a COSI... The only non-franchised stuff there is the White Dog and Avril 50. Am I wrong in thinking that a college town should have, god forbid, character? I'm going to cut and paste this mini-tirade and send it to the DP. P.S. Let the record show that I agree with Al (!). ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Krull Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:09 AM To: Ben; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary It might be that they are not as upscale and might invite the element Thats my guess -Original Message- From: Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 19, 2005 8:59 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary At 08:01 AM 4/19/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today's DP has an article about what's going into the commercial space at 34th Walnut to replace the Moravian cafe etc. IM(not so)HO, it's either a sad commentary on the penn Administration for thinking this is the way to serve the University and surrounding Communites, or a sad commentary on the University and surrounding communities for this being what they actually want. I must be sad because I'm
RE: [UC] Sad commentary
Ok, you're right, Taco Bell is probably food. But I don't think we should let them eat plastic. That's not very progressive. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: Dan Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:15 PM To: Dubin, Elisabeth; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary I object to you calling taco Bell not food. It is more healthy than most fast food chains. They use real tomatoes, lettuce (although not at tasty), corn tortillas, and real beans. I don't think there is anything really edible in a McDonalds milkshake or burger either, but students like putting this stuff in their mouths. It might be a healthy way for the long term residents to support local restaurants and the not-so-local residents to support corporate America. And since there are lines at all of the mentioned Mexican places it seems like Taco Bell would serve those people who don't have taste buds. There are many students who just don't care-- let them eat the cake (or in this instance, plastic). Dan - Original Message - From: Dubin, Elisabeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:03 PM Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary Of course you are allowed to voice your opinion. But we have an obesity issue these days, not to mention hypertension and high cholesterol. Sorry, but since some people out there don't know that this crap is hardly food at all (given how unhealthy it is) I think the more of these places there are the more the trickery continues. It's not FOOD!!! Just because it's in a restaurant doesn't mean it's food. (It's people. Hah hah.) ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:39 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary I understand the importance of eating at local mom and pop stores, and I frequent them often. But I actually agree that U of P should have some fast food chains that international and national students are accustomed to. Places like KFC, and Taco Bell may attract the wrong kind of people Penn wants in their neighborhood, but they are all relatively inexpensive for a quick meal. Also, you know what you are expecting. As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's and Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He was having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses around. Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what you'll do with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification will be here at last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs to be a equal amount (or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of restaurants. And the fact is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger King, Wendy's, White Castle, Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, Denny's, Arby's, Chik-Filet, Pizza Hut, or other common fast food place you can normally find anywhere else but in the immediate University City District. So I actually support some other options that students can go to. I am sure to get some emails regarding my opinion. But I am allowed to voice it even if it doesn't match yours. Dan Myers 215.901.0899 Certified Massage Practitioner --- Healing is related to our capacity to experience and embrace life as it is. Often this means accepting the unacceptable, making peace with disintegration, and loving whatever we face. -Rachel Harris, MD - Original Message - From: Dubin, Elisabeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary Who cares about the element? If anyone would care, it would be the university, and clearly they don't have a problem with the idea of attracting the element. I'm totally grossed out by the idea of those food choices going into the Moravian, and it's not out of snobbery -- KFC and Taco Bell food make me actually nauseous. But more importantly, THEY ARE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU (especially the KFC) and the university should realize that students with little time and money will go there as the path of least resistance. The leadership owes it to their own student body to provide healthier options, I mean, it's like setting up a liquor store next to an AA clinic. Jeez. I can't get over it. You would also think the university would try to de-franchise their image - I mean, what do they have on Walnut now? A GAP, an Ann Taylor Loft
RE: merits of taco bell (was: RE: [UC] Sad commentary)
Title: merits of taco bell (was: RE: [UC] Sad commentary) I knew vegetarians ate at the Bell, but Vegans? It's VEGAN??!? ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: Kyle Cassidy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:31 PMTo: Dubin, Elisabeth; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '; 'Dan Myers '; 'UnivCity@list.purple.com 'Subject: merits of taco bell (was: RE: [UC] Sad commentary) fwiw, taco bell is the only vegan friendly fast food place. i am distressed that they didn't put an upscale tea shop there. or, better yet, a wine store. kc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Myers; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: 4/19/2005 4:23 PM Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary Ok, you're right, Taco Bell is probably food. But I don't think we should "let them eat plastic." That's not very progressive.
RE: [UC] Sad commentary
Oh, oh. You're absolutely right. Almost all of it is not food. None of it's food at all! We're all going to die! ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Defendorf Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:35 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary While I bemoan the loss of the cheesestake place and the salad place from the Moravian Cafe, you can't tell me that just because they were not chains, that the food was any less bad for you to eat than the food at a Taco Bell or KFC. It's all about the (food) choices you make. My question is: how do they think they can fit both a CVS *and* several food places in that area? It ain't all that big! gail Dubin, Elisabeth wrote: Of course you are allowed to voice your opinion. But we have an obesity issue these days, not to mention hypertension and high cholesterol. Sorry, but since some people out there don't know that this crap is hardly food at all (given how unhealthy it is) I think the more of these places there are the more the trickery continues. It's not FOOD!!! Just because it's in a restaurant doesn't mean it's food. (It's people. Hah hah.) ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:39 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary I understand the importance of eating at local mom and pop stores, and I frequent them often. But I actually agree that U of P should have some fast food chains that international and national students are accustomed to. Places like KFC, and Taco Bell may attract the wrong kind of people Penn wants in their neighborhood, but they are all relatively inexpensive for a quick meal. Also, you know what you are expecting. As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's and Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He was having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses around. Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what you'll do with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification will be here at last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs to be a equal amount (or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of restaurants. And the fact is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger King, Wendy's, White Castle, Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, Denny's, Arby's, Chik-Filet, Pizza Hut, or other common fast food place you can normally find anywhere else but in the immediate University City District. So I actually support some other options that students can go to. I am sure to get some emails regarding my opinion. But I am allowed to voice it even if it doesn't match yours. Dan Myers 215.901.0899 Certified Massage Practitioner --- Healing is related to our capacity to experience and embrace life as it is. Often this means accepting the unacceptable, making peace with disintegration, and loving whatever we face. -Rachel Harris, MD - Original Message - From: Dubin, Elisabeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary Who cares about the element? If anyone would care, it would be the university, and clearly they don't have a problem with the idea of attracting the element. I'm totally grossed out by the idea of those food choices going into the Moravian, and it's not out of snobbery -- KFC and Taco Bell food make me actually nauseous. But more importantly, THEY ARE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU (especially the KFC) and the university should realize that students with little time and money will go there as the path of least resistance. The leadership owes it to their own student body to provide healthier options, I mean, it's like setting up a liquor store next to an AA clinic. Jeez. I can't get over it. You would also think the university would try to de-franchise their image - I mean, what do they have on Walnut now? A GAP, an Ann Taylor Loft, a Barnes-and-Noble-student-bookstore, a COSI... The only non-franchised stuff there is the White Dog and Avril 50. Am I wrong in thinking that a college town should have, god forbid, character? I'm going to cut and paste this mini-tirade and send it to the DP. P.S. Let the record show that I agree with Al (!). ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square
RE: [UC] PM-302.3 Weeds
I'll be calling the police on J. Cass, who has an illegal sod farm in his backyard. It's a scandal. ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan CassSent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:10 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: univcity@list.purple.comSubject: RE: [UC] PM-302.3 Weeds It is good to see that the City is finally cracking down on all youlay-abouts. Good god --most UC homeowners only have about400 square feet of property not covered by the dwelling -- is it really that difficult to maintain it properly? It reminds me of Kyle's lame excuse for why he hasn't taken any steps to landscape the vacant lot next to his manse. (Remember that one -- "Janie Blackwell said I couldn't do it"!!). The PIC plants sale is coming up at the end of the month-- I suggest that you all get on over there, purchase some plants, and do some landscaping at your weed-choked hovels. Remember, the crazy old lady next door will be watching. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: univcity@list.purple.comSubject: Re: [UC] PM-302.3 Weeds Yeah right. "Decorative grass". Heh. Heard that one before. What are you raising there, Widyono, Panama Red? Hmm? Little BC Bud? Some decorative Colombian mixed in with the trailing arbutus, and the wisterias, and the travelling bamboos? Ross Bender http://rossbender.org In a message dated 4/12/2005 5:03:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I got slapped with this, some decorative grass in the front lawn apparentlywas not liked by a neighbor (who still hasn't come clean to let me know itwas them who contacted the police to complain, without ever complaining to mefirst). *I* got the ticket FOUR MONTHS after it was written up. Thetimestamp on the envelope proves it. No deal, they wanted their money. Iwasn't about to fight all the way to a judge, I'd wasted enough time tryingto reason with the Finance department (a.k.a. Collection Agency).
RE: [UC] my jerk neighbors and their annoying kids
Title: my jerk neighbors and their annoying kids Have you considered not producing waste products at all? Maybe you weren't meant to take out trash. ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kyle CassidySent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 5:14 PMTo: 'univcity@list.purple.com 'Subject: [UC] my jerk neighbors and their annoying kids so i'm walking home up walnut street, i pass two kids, about eight years old, i get ten steps past them and one of them turns around and hits me in the back with a broken beer bottle. i was wearing a coat, so it didn't hurt, but i was startled. i whirl around, one of them yells something rude that he didn't learn on sponge bob, and the other one throws what i presume was the other half of the broken beer bottle. since he had an arm like charlie brown and was a good 15 feet away so i was able to step out of it's path but i was ... really dismayed. i spent the rest of the walk home in somber thought; contemplating the extrapolation of their little lives, following a myriad of unfortunate trails that i could see branching out from the sort of attitude which has you throwing broken bottles at people bigger than you when you're eight. when i arrived home, i discovered that someone has stolen our last remaining trash can, sometime between 8:00 this morning and now.
[UC] Roofers and Aunts
Hi... I need a recommendation for a roofer who knows how to install and flash a skylight properly. Any ideas will be helpful, thanks! *** I also have thoughts on the aunt issue. The lady that took care of me growing up was Auntie Louise, and she was neither my aunt nor African-American. She was Italian, and I always thought of auntie as a word you use for people who took care of you but weren't really your aunt by blood. I respect Wilma a lot for being a person you can rationalize with and have a conversation with, and she's one of the people on this list that I'd like to meet. But I get so worked up when I see people making the race issues we face every day WORSE by putting out the idea that you can't even say ANYTHING anymore without checking yourself constantly. Why should a guy like Daniel apologize for calling her Aunt Beth? My grandfather used to say, consider the source. You can tell when someone's being a racist or not, and when someone is being loving and respectful. I guess my guiding principle is if in doubt, leave it alone. Like, if you're not absolutely sure someone's being disrespectful, it's not worth fighting about because you risk alienating more people than you endear. I have also been thinking about the legacy of slavery in the context of the legacy of the Holocaust, since there are some similar issues. For example, if my grandparents were sent to the camps and lost their property in Germany, should their grandchildren get it back? Sure. What about the money in bank accounts that was never claimed by the dead? Yes. These things should probably happen in the name of an attempt at fairness and reparation. But will it help heal wounds? Maybe not. Will it help the larger picture of Germany moving on from the legacy of ethnic cleansing? Doubt it. When I saw Schindler's List, I came in feeling ok and left hating German people because the movie portrayed them as universally evil save one guy who helped out. German people are often protrayed as cold and shifty and somewhat evil in movies and TV. When I saw the movie Rosewood, we all went in thinking about other things and left with all the white people and all the black people feeling sheepish and hating eachother because the movie portrayed white people as evil, stupid and unattractive, too boot. For the record, I realize that there is a difference in these two cases: I don't live in Germany with young Germans who view me a certain way, but African-Americans live in this country every day and deal with the legacy of slavery in daily life. Even though I'm not descended from slave owners, and in fact descended from people who ran across frozen rivers at night and smuggled themselves out of the death zones of Europe, I know that as a white-ish person, the way I'm perceived in this country is different than the way a brown-ish person is perceived. So the question is, should we remember or forget? If we remember, how do we remember without hatred? If we forget, how to we keep things from repeating themselves? How do we forego enough of the past to look forward and not always back? If anyone has the answer, let me know. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Abbraccio and Dahlak
Hello, they just replaced the whole storefront on the Baltimore side! I'm not saying I like it, in fact I liked it better before, but you can't say they aren't working on the Baltimore side. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cass Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:09 AM To: 'Andrew Diller'; 'Mark Krull' Cc: 'Vincent/Roger'; 'Victor Fiorillo'; 'University City List' Subject: RE: [UC] Abbraccio and Dahlak And don't forget about the potential liability that could arise if an employee/patron of Dahlak is injured while walking on Abbraccio's property on their way to the back entrance door. It sounds like Abbraccio is being made the heavy because Dahlak is unwilling to take the necessary steps to legally use the outdoor terrace area. Based on the way Dahlak maintains (or actually fails to maintain) their property on the Baltimore side, this does not come as a surprise. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrew Diller Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:36 AM To: Mark Krull Cc: Pfsni; Vincent/Roger; Victor Fiorillo; University City List Subject: Re: [UC] Abbraccio and Dahlak If someone owns the land around it, then yes, it would be trespassing if they decided you couldn't use their land. If I make a path thru my neighbors yard to my back door 'as an entrance' to carry stuff, I'd be trespassing while I walked across their yard, right? It sounds like Dahlak has a back door but not access to the parking lot from that bad door. -andy On Apr 7, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Mark Krull wrote: Ummm...you got a point -Mark -Original Message- From: Victor Fiorillo Sent: Apr 7, 2005 10:15 AM To: Vincent/Roger , University City List , Pfsni Subject: Re: [UC] Abbraccio and Dahlak Are you suggesting that it is improper or illegal for Dahlak to use the back door as an entrance? I can understand your complaint about Dahlak using the area for seating, hanging out, but not the back entrance issue. What's the problem with that? On 4/6/05 10:28 PM, Vincent/Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I am a stupid idiot who hit the send button at the wrong time; we'll try again. We apologize for posting a commercial-related note on the listserves, but rumors are flying (at least around here) and we'd like to try to get some facts straight. With the advent of warm weather the rumors seem to flying again, so I would like to take this opportunity to try and set a few facts straight about Abbraccio and Dahlak. 1) Dahlak's back outdoor terrace is not owned and has never been owned by Dahlak. Prior to our purchasing our property, this outdoor terrace -- which is part of our parcel -- was owned by the city. 2) In 2003, L I did a sweep of the neighborhood and all businesses in the neighborhood as part of ongoing inspections that they do of all neighborhoods on a regular basis. We had no contact with L I about Dahlak's outdoor operation. At the time, we were focused almost exclusively on getting our own building built, and LI (among others) was reducing us to tears almost daily. 3) L I shut down Dahlak's outdoor operation because there were no permits to operate; as well as the basement operation because of safety concerns. 4) We have always said that Dahlak could rent or purchase the outdoor space based on four principles: 1) proper zoning by the city, 2) LCB approval 3) Insurance coverage and 4) Neighborhood approval 5) We met with Amare Solomon (Dahlak owner) and representatives from Jannie Blackwell' office on many occasions to try and make this all work. 6) We briefly rented the space to Dahlak as he worked to meet the necessary requirements. 7) Only when the requirements were not met and the neighbors gave us a petition asking us not to support the outdoor area we withdrew our support. Despite this, Dahlak does continue to use this area daily as a rear entrance. 8) Cedar Park Neighbor's is now reviewing this issue- we do not want to be put into a position between Dahlak and the neighbors. 9) We support a healthy commercial and restaurant environment and support Dahlak, but if Dahlak wants to do something we are not opposing it, but it is up to Dahlak to pursue and make it happen- we have our own business to run and have in our opinion really bent over backwards to make this work for Dahlak. Any comments, suggestions? Please feel free to let us know. 215-727-8247 or by reply. Roger Harman, Vincent Whittacre from Abbraccio __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit
RE: [UC] Slavery Disclosure Bill
Of course we are, I agree. But that bill is weird at best and damaging to innocent people at worst. What is that supposed to achieve? ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Slavery Disclosure Bill I agree, Monique. The supreme irony is in the title of the article: Legacy. It's the legacy of slavery that we are all dealing with on both sides black and white. On 4/1/05 1:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is true that the man has a right to his opinion. Probably fruitless to challenge him on it. Everytime I hear that line about slavery ending 100's of years ago I cringe. M. M. Harvey You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Short Notice - J.S. Foer at the Library
Short notice, but I think I have an extra ticket to see Jonathan Safran Foer speak at the Free Library. Write me if interested! You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Ucity in the non-news
I was paging through one of those magazines like Old House Journal or This Old House -- can't remember which -- and there was this article called, Tenant Anyone? that was talking about how you can rent out a good chunk of your house to tenants and have a tax advantage and whatnot... I was thinking, Well, only in certain neighborhoods are the houses big enough to stuff your family in there and also have a tenant or two. Then I read the first line of the article and it was about a couple in our neighborhood, which was described as the trendy University City area of West Philadelphia. In other non-news, go here to see what kind of dog you are: http://www.gone2thedogs.com/ (click on the game link on the right side). Then report it to Ross so he can add your breed to his list-age database and we can start getting a real sense of who's out there in our trendy enclave. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Ucity in the non-news Gone to the Dogs
Ew, Craig,gross. Does this count as harrassment? Excuse me, H.R.? Is there an H.R. department on this list? ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:40 PMTo: Dubin, ElisabethCc: univcity@list.purple.comSubject: Re: [UC] Ucity in the non-news Gone to the Dogs In a message dated 3/29/2005 9:54:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: go here to see what kind of dog you are:http://www.gone2thedogs.com/ Why am I not surprised your post shows the guy collared and on a tight leash? While before we had a pretty good idea ofhow fine an architect you are, now may we surmise what kind of woman you are? Real nice dynamic tension. Men like dogs, just can't figure out what kind of mistress they want the most- those with guile or those who are beguiling. Is that a Meaty Bone for me because you are happy to see me or a rap on the nose because I went through the trash? And, you are even into the popular arts - film; how so every woman. Ciao, Craig
[UC] Abbraccio, White Dog
Vincent/Roger wrote: "Let Naomi say otherwise, but the reason they allow smoking is that they and their staff want the money..." Running a business like the White Dog isnot entirelyabout the money any more than Abbraccio is entirely about the money. All businesses are somewhat about money.The White Dog wanted to keep loyal customers and loyal employees happy, so besides the money, there is the idea that a community institution is doing its best to serve the community and the community's wishes. I'm really surprised you'd write something like that about a fellow mission-based business. The money issue is a no-brainer, but there's more to both your restaurants than that. ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vincent/RogerSent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:02 AMTo: University City List; PfsniSubject: [UC] No Smoking Bill: Abbraccio, White Dog Naomi at The White Dog is a great friend, and I wish I could come up with the type of material that promots Abbraccio as well as she promotes her place, no matter what the subject is at hand. But I think that the White Dog is being disingenuous over this issue. If you really support the ban why wait for the city to tell you okay? The point that Vincent was trying to make, which I think everyone, Naomi included, missed is that every establishment should have the right to determine their own policy and not be dictated to by law. The subject on the table is the bill to ban smoking at all bars and restaurants in Philadelphia, indoors and out. And if you wade through all of the other discourse, the main point, for Naomi and The White Dog is economic well-being: can we make it pay? Let Naomi say otherwise, but the reason they allow smoking is that they and their staff want the money, and they're worried that customers would go down the street to other bars! (To quote: Our late night customers threatened to go elsewhere if smoking was banned entirely and our staff (many of whom are non-smokers) were worried that, without customers, their incomes would be drastically reduced.) Just like at The White Dog, there are bars near Abbraccio (including Gojjo and Dahlak) that allow smoking; in our case we elected to be non-smoking over the objections of our staff; in their case, they went with the urges of their staff. We at Abbraccio repeat that: We do NOT allow smoking indoors at Abbraccio (and The White Dog does). We are AGAINST the no-smoking bill (while The White Dog is in favor). We believe that the bill is poorly written, in particular the wording about outdoor dining/drinking areas and that it does not level any playing field but raises a great deal of questions over compliance and enforcement. (Plus we think there are already too many laws.) I could go on for a long while with stories about how difficult it has been to survive for more than 25 years (more years than The White Dog!), about all things weve done for our employees, and about how we are socially conscious. There are some very interesting stories! If we only had a better publicity machine, we could make more people aware of them! Roger Harman Abbraccio 215 PASTA-47 www.abbracciorestaurant.com
RE: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog Abbraccio
Title: Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog & Abbraccio The logic the White Dog used to form their smoking policy seems reasonable to me. I wonder if any restaurants have considered smoking night vs. non-smoking nights. Like, for example, Friday could be non-smoking and Saturday could be smoking at night. This is something I just made up, and I think it's brilliant. (Of course someone will argue that the staff still have to be there and inhale smoke, but you could have those who object tendbar on non-smoking night.) ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NaomiSent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:15 PMTo: Jonathan Cass; 'Vincent/Roger'; UnivCity@list.purple.comSubject: Re: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog Abbraccio I think you missed the part where I explained that our bar and wait staff helped us make the decision to have limited smoking hours. They felt it was too great a financial risk (for them and for the business) to completely ban smoking based on our clientele and location. And again, we were in FAVOR of the ban. We want all bars and restaurants to not have to make the tough decision of either income or health. If all of them are non-smoking, its a non-issue.Naomion 3/18/05 11:39 AM, Jonathan Cass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm -- I don't mean to be harsh Naomi, but that sounds like a big fat justification to me: "Hey, we treat our staff better than most other restaurants so it is okay that we subject them to a known carcinogen."The White Dog permitting smoking is akin to a pharmacy selling cigarettes.Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of NaomiSent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:24 AMTo: Vincent/Roger; UnivCity@list.purple.comSubject: [UC] No Smoking Bill, White Dog Abbraccio Vincent is right, we are not 100% non-smoking. But Abbraccio and the White Dog, although we are only 1 mile apart, have very different surroundings as far as competition and customer base. As we are located in the heart of the campus and surrounded by 3 other bars that all offer smoking all the time at their bars, we agonized over the decision to go smoke-free for years before we finally came to a compromise decision a year ago. This decision came from many discussions with our bar staff, wait staff that works in the main bar and seasonal patio area, and our customers. We decided to ban all smoking except for in our main bar from 10pm - 2am and on the seasonal patio. (We have never allowed smoking in the restaurant or at our piano bar.) Our late night customers threatened to go elsewhere if smoking was banned entirely and our staff (many of whom are non-smokers) were worried that, without customers, their incomes would be drastically reduced. Our late night crowd is mostly graduate students, hospital staff and neighbors - many of whom smoke. With 3 other bars offering smoking on our block, we felt that we couldn't completely go smoke free without seriously hurting business - and our staffs' income. The partial smoke-free decision did hurt financially us, but we felt that the calculated loss was for the best for our employees' health and for the well being of our customers.Prior to this decision, we extensively looked into ventilation systems that would draft the smoke out of the room more quickly but being in a very old building that has already been retrofitted for kitchen equipment, we didn't have many options. So we use the hood over the grill station to vent it out and have the incoming air positioned to bring in fresh air as quickly as possible. We also, whenever possible, offer additional seating away from the main bar for those that don't want to be near the second-hand smoke. We really wanted to see this bill go through so that all the bars were on an even playing field - we even sent one of our employees to testify an the council hearings for this bill. It was really difficult for us and for our employees to have to choose between physically healthy and financially healthy decisions. Elizabeth is right, we do have a choice. We could go completely smoke free on principal and hurt the financial balance of the restaurant and hurt our employees financial well-being (which they have told us they can not afford), or we could compromise and allow smoking in 1 of our eight dining rooms for 4 hours a day. I think making sure the White Dog is here next year and that our employees can support themselves is worth a small compromise. We support 100+ employees with a living wage (starting at a min. $8/hr - instead of minimum wage - $5.??/hr). We offer
RE: [UC] From the Temple University News
I agree as well (that engineered wood products can be good), but I think I know where Ms. Haertsch is coming from. She's confusing the engineered wood issues with the new lumber vs. old lumber issue. It's true that new lumber, i.e. trees grown for construction over the past several decades, is an inferior building material than lumber harvested when our houses were built. This is because modern lumber is all new-growth lumber--it's raised on a farm, and fertilized and heavily watered for the purpose of creating lumber quickly. The trees grow fast, but the wood cell structure is larger so the lumber isn't as dense or durable, and tends to be more susceptible to cracking and warping. Anyway, this is all in contrast with old-growth lumber, which was taken from mature, naturally grown trees from forests. You get strong, clear, large sections from those older trees. Nowadays I don't even think they let trees grow big enough to get a 12x12 out of, since most of their sales are for smaller sections. So using old lumber or reclaimed lumber _is_ a good building material (unless the wood is rotted, which is less likely in old-growth than in new-growth, since old-growth is more resistant to rot in general). The engineered wood is a totally different topic, and even though they need to use chemicals to get the wood pieces to bond together, there are other reasons why it's environmentally sound building practice to use this stuff. Instead of going on about that, I found this to explain more for those interested: http://www.greenbuilder.com/general/articles/AAS.engmat.html ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Siano Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:09 PM Cc: UnivCity University City List Subject: Re: [UC] From the Temple University News Andrew Diller wrote: Historic buildings vital to Philly's personality By Emilie Haertsch Published: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 are infinitely superior to materials used today. Workmen who were once shown the basement of my family's 19th century Gothic Victorian were amazed at the support beam, which they said would prevent an earthquake from damaging our house. These days most houses' support beams are made from wood scraps that are glued together, as opposed to the solid tree trunk beams of olden days. While this may make a heartwarming story, it's actually rubbish: those workmen may have been amazed at the tree trunks in her basement, however they were woefully misinformed regarding modern building materials. Engineered wood products are much more robust and stronger than the pine beams used in the turn of the century twins. If I had a $10 for every failed pine joist in my home, I could buy a lot of latte at the Green Line. I'd like to agree with Andy here. He's right about the abilities of engineered wood products. They are extremely strong and useful. Engineered-Wood I-beams, which are a recent development, are strong, light, and extremly reliable. They're less likely to warp and twist than a thick pine joist, easier to repair, and since they're made of reclaimed wood products, they're environmentally beneficial, too. Emelie's description of wood scraps glued together is just glib.Yeah, it's true, but there's a big difference from the fiberboard crap they make kiddie desks out of, and the stuff used in construction. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Don't Forget About The Dog Poo In The Recycling Bucket
Oh come ON. Quit it with the poop thread. (...but only after you go here http://www.formetopoopon.com/ and enter your favorite website for Triumph to poop on.) ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Widyono Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:24 AM To: Susan Jacobson Cc: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Don't Forget About The Dog Poo In The Recycling Bucket It's Day of *Dog* Poo. I think if you mix Dog Poo and Cat Poo you get them thar dangerous cold fusion. Unless the Poo is fresh. Then all bets are off. Unless you have a Poo PhD, please do NOT experiment with Poo Physics in West Philadelphia; we have enough problems with ammonia leaks in Penn's LRSM... http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/counti es/philadelphia_county/philadelphia/11104864.htm Dan W. Scrunch the Cat just cleaned out his litterbox, and would be happy to donate some cat poo... You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Hair colorist
Don't listen to him. He goes to Michael's not to be thrifty but because Michael actually has a secret reputation for being an * excellent * cutter of hair. I have never gone, but every female I know goes to him. It's only a matter of time before I go as well. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cass Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:49 PM To: 'Susan Jacobson' Cc: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Hair colorist Wow -- I did not realize that Temple was paying professors such extravagant salaries that they could afford to travel to NYC just to color their hair. My wife and I are lawyers and I get my hair cut at Michael's at the 40xx block of Spruce, she goes to a CC salon. We obviously should have both gone into academia. Where do you get your massages done -- Chicago? No wonder, college tuitions are so damn expensive. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:59 AM To: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Hair colorist OK, my regular colorist in NYC just cancelled for Wednesday. I need to have my highlights redone like - last month. Anyone know a *really really good* colorist in Philadelphia? sj Susan Jacobson Assistant Professor Dept. of Broadcasting Telecom Temple University http://countlessstories.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Hair colorist
Ooh, come to think of it I need a haircut. I'm gonna call him right now... ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine Miller Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 2:27 PM To: Susan Jacobson; Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Hair colorist I absolutely love Michaels. I started going to him after trying about a half dozen salons in search of a halfway decent haircut, and was never happy. I went there at the recommendation of a friend (who has been going to him for about 8 years, coming into the city from Media), and haven't gone to anyone since. He does a great job, at least with my hair - I get compliments on the cut weekly, if not daily. And, the best part: a haircut is $18, and maybe $19 if he washes it. Seriously. I am like a walking billboard for the guy, because I recommend him to absolutely EVERYONE. I have had highlights/lowlights done there twice - I was really happy with it, but I am not a connoisseur of hair coloring. And don't listen to Jonathan Cass - he's full of it. Christine Christine Miller Architectural Conservator/Historian CULTURAL RESOURCE CONSULTING GROUP 1500 Walnut Street Suite 702 Philadelphia, PA 19143 phone 215.985.0995 fax 215.985.0998 www.crcg.net -Original Message- From: Susan Jacobson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:59 AM To: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Hair colorist OK, my regular colorist in NYC just cancelled for Wednesday. I need to have my highlights redone like - last month. Anyone know a *really really good* colorist in Philadelphia? sj Susan Jacobson Assistant Professor Dept. of Broadcasting Telecom Temple University http://countlessstories.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0 tests=none Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Susan Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-URL: http://www.purple.com/list.html X-Etiquette: http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=05386 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2005 17:05:17.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7BD4600:01C51E80] OK, my regular colorist in NYC just cancelled for Wednesday. I need to have my highlights redone like - last month. Anyone know a *really really good* colorist in Philadelphia? sj Susan Jacobson Assistant Professor Dept. of Broadcasting Telecom Temple University http://countlessstories.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Hair colorist
Whoa! Speculation! Again, ignore Cass. He's just working out some aggression against people who have jobs that are FUN-seeming. :) (Emoticon shows that Jonathan and I are buddies, as opposed to me attacking him ad-hominem style.) ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cass Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 4:21 PM To: 'Mark Krull'; 'Susan Jacobson' Cc: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Hair colorist Yep-- I think we have a Trust Fund at work here -- lucky gal!! Perhaps she'll use some of that $$$ to take the list out for some light appetizers, cocktails and perhaps I few frames of bowling at Strikes. I can only imagine the lavish functions she throws for her lucky students. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Krull Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 3:28 PM To: Jonathan Cass; 'Susan Jacobson' Cc: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Hair colorist Social workers also can't afford that. -Mark -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 1, 2005 9:49 AM To: 'Susan Jacobson' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Hair colorist Wow -- I did not realize that Temple was paying professors such extravagant salaries that they could afford to travel to NYC just to color their hair. My wife and I are lawyers and I get my hair cut at Michael's at the 40xx block of Spruce, she goes to a CC salon. We obviously should have both gone into academia. Where do you get your massages done -- Chicago? No wonder, college tuitions are so damn expensive. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:59 AM To: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Hair colorist OK, my regular colorist in NYC just cancelled for Wednesday. I need to have my highlights redone like - last month. Anyone know a *really really good* colorist in Philadelphia? sj Susan Jacobson Assistant Professor Dept. of Broadcasting Telecom Temple University http://countlessstories.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. Need someone to watch your pet while you are away? Call UC Pet Tenders: Walking, feeding during lunch, vacations, or late evenings. 215 990 6254 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Experienced!!! References provided You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Hair colorist
SPEC-U-LA-TION!!! Your Honor, he's badgering the witness. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cass Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:08 PM To: Dubin, Elisabeth; 'Susan Jacobson' Cc: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Hair colorist Hey -- I have been laying off the 4600 block of Hazel parade of horribles out of respect for you (our 3 year old still asks why there was a helicopter hovering overhead illuminating your backyard with a searchlight several months ago). You continue with these vicious, personal attacks and I will have no recourse but to respond in kind. Be forewarned -- I can be as nasty as the old-style Andy what are you lookin' at punk Diller. Anyway, I don't begrudge Susan her fun job or her trust fund. I just think she should spread a bit of her largess around with us less-fortunate, can't afford to travel to Manhattan to get our shoes shined, types. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: Dubin, Elisabeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 4:54 PM To: Jonathan Cass; Susan Jacobson Cc: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Hair colorist Whoa! Speculation! Again, ignore Cass. He's just working out some aggression against people who have jobs that are FUN-seeming. :) (Emoticon shows that Jonathan and I are buddies, as opposed to me attacking him ad-hominem style.) ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cass Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 4:21 PM To: 'Mark Krull'; 'Susan Jacobson' Cc: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Hair colorist Yep-- I think we have a Trust Fund at work here -- lucky gal!! Perhaps she'll use some of that $$$ to take the list out for some light appetizers, cocktails and perhaps I few frames of bowling at Strikes. I can only imagine the lavish functions she throws for her lucky students. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Krull Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 3:28 PM To: Jonathan Cass; 'Susan Jacobson' Cc: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Hair colorist Social workers also can't afford that. -Mark -Original Message- From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 1, 2005 9:49 AM To: 'Susan Jacobson' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: [UC] Hair colorist Wow -- I did not realize that Temple was paying professors such extravagant salaries that they could afford to travel to NYC just to color their hair. My wife and I are lawyers and I get my hair cut at Michael's at the 40xx block of Spruce, she goes to a CC salon. We obviously should have both gone into academia. Where do you get your massages done -- Chicago? No wonder, college tuitions are so damn expensive. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:59 AM To: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Hair colorist OK, my regular colorist in NYC just cancelled for Wednesday. I need to have my highlights redone like - last month. Anyone know a *really really good* colorist in Philadelphia? sj Susan Jacobson Assistant Professor Dept. of Broadcasting Telecom Temple University http://countlessstories.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. Need someone to watch your pet while you are away? Call UC Pet Tenders: Walking, feeding during lunch, vacations, or late evenings. 215 990 6254 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Experienced!!! References provided You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Free paste
Does anyone need two unopened buckets of adhesive for sheet vinyl? I can't be bothered to return them (I bought the wrong thing for my tile and had to get different stuff). You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Social life in UC
(hee hee.) * snicker * ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 6:07 PMTo: UnivCity@list.purple.comSubject: Re: [UC] Social life in UC In a message dated 2/18/2005 4:10:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I TRUST I AM NOT LEAVING A WHOLE LOT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION! You've made it perfectly clear to all of us what you are about. Thank you. Marlene Levy
RE: [UC] Social life in UC
Ah, but you _can_, you CAN!!! See? I am _fond_ of the underscore for plaintext underlining purposes, and then there is the regular old ALL CAPS STATEMENT. As much as I hate smileys, I tend to use them after saying something inflammatory so people know that I am a nice person, witness the following: "I wouldn't want to run into some of the people on this list in a dark alley. :) " The smiley face shows that I am "kidding," and yet not really. Hah hah. (You can also just type out "hah hah," that works, too.) ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:25 PMTo: univcity@list.purple.comSubject: RE: [UC] Social life in UC e-communications problem... how true... you cannot hear the tone of voice.. read facial expressions.. have any way of knowing which word in a sentence is being stressed. One sentence could be interpreted many different ways depending on tone, inflection, stress. Maybe in time, (or maybe it already has and I just don't know about it) an elanguage will evolve which will allow people to better express their meaning. Words on the page without voice leave much to interpretation. marlene levy
RE: [UC] Red Cross, restrictions on taking, but not on giving blood
I have a serious question on this topic. I gave blood once in college and fainted, so I have never done it again. Has anyone had this experience? Maybe I would try again. I could drink a lot of grape juice or something beforehand. Any tips? ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elizabeth F. Campion Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:43 AM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Red Cross, restrictions on taking, but not on giving blood Dear Fred, Ann and neighbors, I am also a disqualified, multi-gallon donor. While I have recovered from Hepatitis, I test positive for the antibodies. And since I can't give, I raise awareness. Each restriction has a reason. If enough safe blood can be stored than donors won't fear that the cost of a few extra years is to die later of AIDS, or Mad Cow or Hepatitis. While practicing gay men can not give. They can and do receive. Now that you and Gary are Fifty Somethings the odds of needing blood may increase. I can no longer give, but am amazed that just in my own family, at least three people have been saved, to recover, because some generous donor made time to give blood. Hopefully, a better balance between risk and restriction can be found, but in the meantime, we might want to focus on sending those who meet the Red Cross's low risk definitions to give blood. The rest of us can promote this work and hand out the juice and the donuts. My Larry is an 0-. He is the Universal Donor. He gives every 56 days. And has even been tapped for an extra half pint during a few pediatric emergencies. I am proud of his generosity. The stick means nothing to him, for him it is finding the time to get down to Northern Liberties to make the donation. The SFDS drive brings the opportunity to our home court. It is in our best and future interests to support it. Best! Liz You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Good intentions are not enough; it takes money, too
I'm trying to get it so when you google priceless analogies you get my name as the first listing. Thanks for participating in this effort! :) Oh, and please use the correct term: baluster instead of spindle. Spindle reminds me of spinster, which reminds me of sewing circles, which remind me of neighborhood squabbling, which reminds me of Clark Park, which makes me think of sweaty bathhouses, and then I can't concentrate all of a sudden. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of L a s e r B e a m (r) Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:05 AM To: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Good intentions are not enough; it takes money, too Dubin, Elisabeth wrote: I'm hard-pressed to see what lessons a regular homeowner in UC can learn from the house-museum problem. The problems that plague historic house museums are real, but we should not confuse those issues with the historic districting debate going on in our neighborhood. House museums need endowments and ticket sales to pay for staff, maintenance, and improvements. If no one visits a house museum, it's a valid question to ask, Should the museum continue to operate? A historic district in a residential neighborhood is a separate animal. I don't charge admission to visit my house, and I don't have an endowment. If visitation drops, I'm not forced to cut back my staff. I can turn my house into a BB if I feel like it and the zoning board agrees. I'm not pretending to present a re-enactment of the past, and I don't need to make sure no one sits on my antique furniture. Barbara Silberman, in her article, says, As a society, we need to establish a greater range of options so that local preservationists can make smart choices about the buildings they save. I would think this is more of an endorsement for the historic homeowner tax credit, or for commercial tax credits or facade easements, than a criticism of Historic Districting. I'm sure Al will disagree with my separation of this two issues, so I look forward to reading the response. historically correct porch spindle$89 per history buff, $89 per non-buff admission to historic house museum$15 per history buff, $00 per non-buff another one of elisabeth's patented analogiespriceless . laserbeam(r) [aka ray] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Fox Non-News
Did anyone happen to catch a segment on Fox "News" last night regarding a supposed dead-beat developer at 18th and Christian? It seems from what I've heard thatthe networkreported the story without regard for the facts, and I'm upset by it and wish I could somehow see the TV segment. The gist of it is that a friend of mine has been struggling valiantly with the Zoning Board for almost a year to get the appropriate permits to redevelop a 20-year abandoned post office into condominiums, and the building has appeared to languish during this process. Meanwhile, Fox news reports that the developers "abandoned" the project and that it's now a public nuisance. The funny thing is that my friend finally did just get the zoning permit, so work will begin immediately. Anyway, I'm curious if anyone saw it or, even more unlikely, TIVO'd it? ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com
RE: [UC] Fox Non-News
Ummm, well, no. That's not even close to the real situation. But A for effort, though! ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: Elizabeth F. Campion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:22 PM To: Dubin, Elisabeth Cc: Univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Fox Non-News I can't resist pointing out this irony. Below is a post by one of the Pro-HD who is upset at the injustice of Fox 'News' and the Zoning Board for delays that left her friend looking bad. Try to forget that delays may have been due to resolving the fears of neighbors who might have been worried that condominiumizing a vacant Post Office might lead to problems associated with increased residential density (parking, garbage and trash disposal, night noise, prolonged construction, etc.) But, imagine compounding the friend's problems with HC commission review and ... Try to guess when the work would have begun. Personally, I believe her friend (any developer) has an obligation to keep the sidewalks swept and snow free and any flower boxes planted and windows clean and intact, while waiting for any delays to be resolved. Zoning disclosure is a condition of every sale in this State. Her friend knew (or should have known) the zoning before Settlement, in fact, before signing of the agreement. And, it is not fair for anyone to hold a neighborhood hostage, while gambling on zoning change. My experience is that the accusation of dead beat only kicks when developer's (like Rappaport) use the deteriorating conditions at the property to extort the concessions they want (whether for tax or zoning or HC waiver, etc.) from the neighbors and the city. So, while I don't know anything about this specific case, and maybe ED's friend was a peach who maintained decent oversight over this wannabee project, I suspect that Fox news got involved because neighbors were not happy, because sidewalks were not shoveled and litter was left unattended. ED, provide the address and we can check out actual conditions for ourselves. Liz On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:37:47 -0500 Dubin, Elisabeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did anyone happen to catch a segment on Fox News last night regarding a supposed dead-beat developer at 18th and Christian? It seems from what I've heard that the network reported the story without regard for the facts, and I'm upset by it and wish I could somehow see the TV segment. The gist of it is that a friend of mine has been struggling valiantly with the Zoning Board for almost a year to get the appropriate permits to redevelop a 20-year abandoned post office into condominiums, and the building has appeared to languish during this process. Meanwhile, Fox news reports that the developers abandoned the project and that it's now a public nuisance. The funny thing is that my friend finally did just get the zoning permit, so work will begin immediately. Anyway, I'm curious if anyone saw it or, even more unlikely, TIVO'd it? ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Good intentions are not enough; it takes money, too
I'm hard-pressed to see what lessons a regular homeowner in UC can learn from the house-museum problem. The problems that plague historic house museums are real, but we should not confuse those issues with the historic districting debate going on in our neighborhood. House museums need endowments and ticket sales to pay for staff, maintenance, and improvements. If no one visits a house museum, it's a valid question to ask, "Should the museum continue to operate?" A historic district in a residential neighborhood is a separate animal. I don't charge admission to visit my house, and I don't have an endowment. If visitation drops, I'm not forced to cut back my staff. I can turn my house into a BB if I feel like it and the zoning board agrees. I'm not pretending to present a re-enactment of the past, and I don't need to make sure no one sits on my antique furniture. Barbara Silberman, in her article, says, "As a society, we need to establish a greater range of options so that local preservationists can make smart choices about the buildings they save." I would think this is more of an endorsement for the historic homeowner tax credit, or for commercial tax credits or facade easements, than a criticism of Historic Districting. I'm sure Al will disagree with my separation of this two issues, so I look forward to reading the response. ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:33 AMTo: UnivCity@list.purple.comSubject: [UC] Good intentions are not enough; it takes money, too Based on the publicity about the Maxwell mansion museum in Germantown, there's an interesting "opinion" in the Metro Commentary section oftoday's Philadelphia Inquirer. It'sby Barbara Silberman, executive director of the Heritage Philadelphia Program. Ms Silberman discusses the sad fate of many genuinely historic properties converted to museums by people eager to preserve them.They oftensuffer because the good intentions of the preservationists are not matched by the money needed for the restoration and upkeep. A good message between the lines for people who think historic designation of whole neighborhoods more appropriately identified as "period" than "historic" has a nice ring to it... but don't realize what it'll cost the people who own, live, and/or work there. For those who don't want to give their personal details to the Inquirer and therefore can't read it online, I've got it posted on the widely-acclaimed and world-famous historic designation website: http://www.iconworldwide.com/histodis/inky501.htm Always at your service and ready for a dialog,Al Krigman
[UC] The Gigantic Private Bathhouse Campaign
Cool. Elisabeth Dubin is now the new 4600 block of Hazel, since my name keeps getting reposted in these emails. Hopefully soon, when you google me, you'll get nothing but bathhouse discussion for at least two screens. I'm having a naming contest for the public/private N.G.O. bathhouse in Clark Park, so please send me your entries ASAP and you might or might not win a set of coffee mugs. I will also be making T-shirts with the servants and grapes and the whole thing, so let me know if you want to preorder. Thanks, E -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Bender Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:36 AM To: UnivCity University City List Subject: [UC] The Gigantic Private Bathhouse Campaign I just wanted to weigh in with my two cents and second Elisabeth Dubin's breathtakingly brilliant idea about a gigantic public/private bathhouse in Clark Park. At the moment I'm splashing around in Japanese onsens doing a little research and when I get back I expect I'll be able to add some truly professional perspectives on what, as is sadly the case with this tawdry email list, is already turning into a sordid mudslinging food fight with ad hominen attacks, personal slander, really boring stories about cats, etc. PEOPLE can't we just get ALONG? A little bit of civility, PLEASE. Or I may have to cancel my fucking subscription again. To begin with, a little personal perspective. The most truly fabulous public bathhouse I have ever had the privilege to visit was the Continental Baths on New York City's Upper West Side. I went there not for the baths, of course, nor the lewd and rampant promiscuity, but to hear Patti Labelle and the Blue Bells (Sara Dash, Nona Hendrix) in their prime. A truly romantic and dazzling evening, even though my programme got a little soggy in all that steam. Not long after this epochal performance the venue underwent a sea change and turned into a cheap glitzy outfit known as Plato's Retreat. But the Continental Baths had a certain je ne sais quoi, a certain quaint and decadent atmosphere which recalled Venice in the 20s or perhaps the Grand Seraglio in Constantinople back in the day. To wit, vast bevies of stunning pear-bottomed ladies clothed only in towels, offering peeled grapes, hashish, precious wines and other favors to those whom they fancied. Now it may seem a bit farfetched to imagine such a splendid institution taking root in dead old Clark Park. I mean, GET REAL, Elisabeth Dubin. Can't you just see staid solomonic old Anthony West forming a Baths Subcommittee to explore the possibilities of, on the one hand, a fenced in public bath, or, on the other, not a fenced in public bath. Plus which, what would our puritanical Mayor say, not to mention the University City Old Ladies Sewing Circle and Gentrification Committee? Seriously, think what such a place would do to the REAL ESTATE prices in the neighborhood! Personally I think a much more sensible, not to mention environmentally sound, solution is to dig up the underground sewers and let the Mill Race flow free, as I believe has been mentioned as a possibility previously on this list. Wash all the dogshit out of the Bowl, drown all the irksome dog people AND toddlers, thus killing two contentious birds with one stone. Plus in the winter there would be skating. Ladies in long Victorian skirts, men in cummerbands and bandanas. Ross Bender http://rosslynnbender.org/nikki.html On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:43:40 -0500, Daniel Flaumenhaft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 27, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Dubin, Elisabeth wrote: Let's say I am a person who really believes that there should be a gigantic public bathhouse in Clark Park for all to use. Don't I have the right to self-select myself to campaign for this? And if I get a group of like-minded people together to enact change, don't we have the right as a group to work towards out goals? We aren't elected officials, so we are not obligated to reflect the views of anyone but ourselves. Actually, there *was* a movement to get the Rec Department to start building public bathhouses in parks. While Boston, New York, Baltimore, and Chicago *did* build indoor bathhouses, Philadelphia was too cheap for that and just built swimming pools. There were certainly no servants with grapes. There were a number of quasi-public baths, including ones built by a Public Baths Association in Germantown (designed by Cope Stewardson), and near 4th and South (by Furness and Evans). There was also the Western Soup Society Public Baths at 16th and South. (I think the Western Soup Society had the name because it started out as a soup kitchen, but by that point, it was a settlement house connected with the Christian Association at Penn). Chicago had the charmingly named Free Bath and Sanitary League. See Marilyn Thornton Williams. *Washing The Great Unwashed: PublicBaths in Urban America,1840-1920*. Columbus
RE: [UC] Penn wanted us out from today's DP (one of two related stories)
Title: RE: [UC] "Penn wanted us out" from today's DP (one of two related stories) I don't know why they didn't just switch to showing art films Brilliant. But they'd need new ownership and a new vision, so good thing Penn's kicking their sorry selves out. I hate that place. The one time I went there it was -10 degrees inside.
RE: [UC] Re: [UC-Announce] Clark Park Dog Run Update
I believe the point is to create a _public_ dog run. We already have a non-public dog run a bit farther west. I don't understand Ray's logic below because child owners do not pay to use the tot lot, and no one pays to use the park in general. For the record, I am enthusiastically for the public dog run. I say this without extensive qualification because I believe it will be attractive, that it will give life to a part of the park that is not greatly utilized, and that it will solve much of the off-leash problem while creating a nice social environment for people (and dogs). I believe that it will not detract from the park, but that it will add. This is my gut feeling and my opinion; please do not flame me. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of L a s e r B e a m (r) Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 6:16 PM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] Re: [UC-Announce] Clark Park Dog Run Update Stephen Fisher wrote: http://www.phillydog.org http://www.phillydog.org/proposal.pdf http://www.phillydog.org/figure.pdf In creating a plan for the dog run, we really tried to address as many concerns as possible. As this process continues, we would like to continue trying to accommodate peoples concerns. So if your concern hasn't been voiced or addressed, please let me know. will there be a fee for dog owners to use the dog run? I think, at the very least, if folks have to pay $$ to become a voting member of FoCP, dog owners should pay $$ to use a dog run in clark park. . laserbeam(r) [aka ray] or doesn't focp require a fee? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Question for other dog companion-people
I think the white round things are also salt-based. So I think it's basically all salt, of one kind or another, which is bad for dog feet, soil, cars and buildings. But it really WORKS, so I don't know if there's a solution! Do people use sand and gravel anymore? Or ash? ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:52 PMTo: UnivCity@list.purple.comSubject: [UC] Question for other dog companion-people The stuff people use for ice and snow on their sidewalks -- the white round things more than the salt crystals -- seems to cause pain on canine paws (thermal? mechanical?).I noticed several people with limping dogs during the day today. And I know it happens with mine. I usually stop and brush off the bottom of the paws when this happens. I have a set of dog boots -- enough for one but not both dogs but it doesn't matter because the remedy seems as distasteful to them as the pain. Any suggestions? Does anyone know ifany of these snow melting products actually more or less problematic than others? And, if so, would some kind of awareness campaign help? Always at your service and ready for a dialog,Al Krigman PS: We use salt crystals because I think they're less harmful to pets and also to the environment, but I have no data showing whether this is a valid assumption.
RE: [UC] Re: [UC-Announce] Clark Park Dog Run Update
I guess so. But keep in mind that FOCP is an organization like any other. And they collect dues. So, for example, if you wanted to spearhead the effort without dues, you could go out yourself and do a lot of legwork and research, and then go door to door and let everyone in the general public vote on your park options. But it would still be your group, so it's your initiative. In this case, the idea has been discussed within FOCP so they can vote to see how or if they as a group want to lobby for it. It's internal to them. That doesn't stop any other group from forming to pursue it without dues or fees. I guess this means that if you are against it and you are a member, you can vote that FOCP not support it. If you are not a member, you can contact your public representatives (city council, etc.) and express your dissent for free. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of L a s e r B e a m (r) Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:38 PM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Re: [UC-Announce] Clark Park Dog Run Update Dubin, Elisabeth wrote: I believe the point is to create a _public_ dog run. We already have a non-public dog run a bit farther west. I don't understand Ray's logic below because child owners do not pay to use the tot lot, and no one pays to use the park in general. ok, my logic in asking what I was asking had to do with the public process of getting a dog run in place, not with whether or not I support a dog run. here's what I'm getting at, put another way: if we're using a process (voting/membership via focp) to create a free public dog run, then that process should be free and public as well, don't you think? . laserbeam(r) [aka ray] I love dogs, btw. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] RE: [UC-Announce] Clark Park Dog Run Update
You want to change that figure out with the no-date, no-discussion one? I didn't realize you were going to post it right away. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Fisher Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 1:36 AM To: univcity-announce@list.purple.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stephen Fisher Subject: [UC-Announce] Clark Park Dog Run Update Hi, For those of you that missed the Friends of Clark Park membership meeting last night, I summarized, as best I can remember, what was discussed and added it to phillydog.org. If I got something wrong, please let me know. I again underlined the new stuff so you don't have to re-read the entire page to figure out what's new. I also included the dog run task force's proposal and the accompanying figure. (The task force would like to thank Elisabeth Dubin for her expert help and many hours spent generating the figure.) You can download the proposal and figure via the following links. The figure is large and may take some time to download, especially if you don't have DSL or cable internet access. Please let me know if you have any problems downloading or viewing either file. http://www.phillydog.org http://www.phillydog.org/proposal.pdf http://www.phillydog.org/figure.pdf Lastly, I'd like to thank those at the meeting who voiced their concerns and opposition to the proposal. Obviously there are strong opinions for and against a dog run in Clark Park. In creating a plan for the dog run, we really tried to address as many concerns as possible. As this process continues, we would like to continue trying to accommodate peoples concerns. So if your concern hasn't been voiced or addressed, please let me know. At the same time if we've been unable to address your concerns, please also try and consider our concerns and the concerns of the many community members who are affected daily by the current off leash dog use in the park. We live in a city with a finite amount of space that must be shared amongst a lot of different people. We feel that this proposal is a fair way to share that space. Thanks, Stephen You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity-Announce. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You may post announcements to this list, but this list attempts to prevent discussion. Please use univcity to discuss messages on this list. Subscribers of univcity receive all mail to this list. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] sledding in west philly
My cousin told me that when it's really snowy, not like now but perhaps later in February, you are supposed to go up the Art Museum steps and sled down. That sounds scary... ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:46 PMTo: univcity@list.purple.comSubject: Re: [UC] sledding in west philly In a message dated 1/20/2005 6:37:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where's the nearest good, reasonably safe hill? Cobbs Creek Park - the hill just east of the environmental center was good. Also, may be some spots just east of Marshall Rd Cobbs. If you want to travel -Walnut Lane Golf Course, just off of Henry Ave., has some spots. Craig
RE: [UC] AOL's little secret
FYI, this is true for a lot of companies these days. Here are two examples: 1) When I signed up for Verizon DSL, the rate was $34.95 per month. They later lowered it to $29.95 per month, but they would have happily let me go on paying the higher rate. I called up one day and said, can I pay $29.95 instead? and they said, Yes, ok, and changed it. I guess you have to ask. 2) I bought a ticket on Jet Blue recently and the next week the price dropped on the same ticket. I called up and said, Oops, I bought it before and it was more expensive, can I pay less? and they say, Yes, I guess so, and gave me a credit for the difference. I really don't know why it is that way these days, but I get the sense that in general, people will let you pay whatever you are paying and that's that. But if you call up and ask, for some reason they respond. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Krull Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] AOL's little secret A friend of mine at work is on AOL. For 4 years she had been paying $23.95 per month for her service. She was having the $23.95 taken out of her credit card. AOL never mentioned that she could have paid $17.95 per month for the SAME service if she committed for a year. All she did was tell them over the phone. She was NEVER told of this savings option. She LOST over $200 over the last 4 years. She found out from a friend. Umm. Glad I am not with AOL -Mark You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] AOL's little secret
I think it's less of an ignoring of existing customers and more of a business strategy. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: Stephen Fisher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:21 AM To: Dubin, Elisabeth Cc: Mark Krull; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] AOL's little secret Actually the same also goes in terms of DSL speeds. When Verizon increased their DSL upload/download speeds then didn't bother to upgrade their existing customers to the faster speeds. I told my uncle to call (I use cable internet), and sure enough they increased his DSL speed. It's really unfortunate that you have to ask and that you have to waste time watching for these things to even know when to ask. It seems companies are so focused on gaining new customers they seem to forget about their existing customers. Happy warm Thursday, Stephen Dubin, Elisabeth wrote: FYI, this is true for a lot of companies these days. Here are two examples: 1) When I signed up for Verizon DSL, the rate was $34.95 per month. They later lowered it to $29.95 per month, but they would have happily let me go on paying the higher rate. I called up one day and said, can I pay $29.95 instead? and they said, Yes, ok, and changed it. I guess you have to ask. 2) I bought a ticket on Jet Blue recently and the next week the price dropped on the same ticket. I called up and said, Oops, I bought it before and it was more expensive, can I pay less? and they say, Yes, I guess so, and gave me a credit for the difference. I really don't know why it is that way these days, but I get the sense that in general, people will let you pay whatever you are paying and that's that. But if you call up and ask, for some reason they respond. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Krull Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] AOL's little secret A friend of mine at work is on AOL. For 4 years she had been paying $23.95 per month for her service. She was having the $23.95 taken out of her credit card. AOL never mentioned that she could have paid $17.95 per month for the SAME service if she committed for a year. All she did was tell them over the phone. She was NEVER told of this savings option. She LOST over $200 over the last 4 years. She found out from a friend. Umm. Glad I am not with AOL -Mark You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Leaving someone else with the bill (from today's Inquire r)
Title: Re: [UC] Leaving someone else with the bill (from today's Inquire r) Field trip! When? ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NaomiSent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:48 AMTo: Kyle Cassidy; UnivCity@list.purple.comSubject: Re: [UC] Leaving someone else with the bill (from today's Inquire r) Wow. Thats really impressive. Ill join you on a tour!Naomion 1/5/05 8:47 AM, Kyle Cassidy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! Check out the virtual tour on the web page. I'm game if anybody else wants to go check it out, looks like we'd need a group of five or more. Unless we wait till april.The Ebenezer Maxwell Mansion, 200 W. Tulpehocken St. in Germantown, is open Saturday and Sunday, April through December, from 1 to 4 p.m.Special tours for groups of five or more may be arranged for other times. Call the mansion office at 215-438-1861. Gardens are open year-round. Appointments are not necessary. The mansion's Web site is www.maxwellmansion.org. White Dog Cafe 3420 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104 http://www.whitedog.com (215) 386-9224 x105 The Black Cat Gift Shop3426 Sansom St, Philadelphia, PA 19104http://www.blackcatshop.com
RE: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions: a review
Laserbeam wrote: there's a living, breathing dynamic between the two buildings that might've been choked off had they parked some sort of historical-looking imitation of the furness there. Hi Ray- Just a thought to add to this discussion-- there is a big difference between advocating preservation and proposing new construction in an imitative style. The former is about many things, including utilizing existing resources from a green or recycling perspective. It can be about trying to save specific buildings because they may be exceptional. It is also about living in an urban fabric that contains examples from throughout a city's history, so that we may be grounded in an experience of both the past and the present. The latter idea is one that I'm not involved in myself, and is based on a different attitude. I don't care for that kind of thing. My favorite buildings are typically adaptations of old industrial buildings... That's how I got into this line of work. -Elisabeth ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of L a s e r B e a m (r) Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:07 PM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions: a review Anthony West wrote: Elisabeth wrote: Tony says that we need to treasure the best from the past while letting the rest go. The problem is that best is a matter of opinion, and in this country we tend towards not being willing to regulate taste. That is the problem indeed. But when we try to sidestep the crucial issue of taste, we wind up creating fake judgement criteria that smuggle it back in under another name. Historicity also boils down to taste. That's because ALL buildings have history and all buildings exemplify history. Anybody can write a two-page release about the period that any building represents. In practice, the history that gets preserved is the history that people like. One way or another, taste will be expressed. The question is: who gets to say which buildings they like and which matter less to them? Who gets to choose now history, now modernity? I'm not sure I have a one-sentence answer. But in general, public tastes matter when it comes to public property. And in general, the public likes some things more than others, just as individuals do. And in general, no building stands forever. Sorting out the particulars case by case is what makes public works projects such a fun spectator sport. (see, I guess this is why I've been asking the questions I've been asking.) * * * btw, I've been admiring the new glass-skinned buildings going up in the area -- the faceted cira center, the circular chop, that slender wedge over on market right next to the old furness bank. I love how glass surfaces integrate new and old -- reflecting the old buildings while quietly asserting their own structures, in a vocabulary that's both inventive and borrowed (ie, in terms of changing skies). and I especially like how the glass wedge on market so perfectly pays respect to the furness building -- by being so utterly different from it, superficially, and angling away from and around it, structurally. there's a living, breathing dynamic between the two buildings that might've been choked off had they parked some sort of historical-looking imitation of the furness there. . laserbeam(r) [aka ray] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions: a review
When one comes toward West Philadelphia over the Schuylkill, there arethree salientthings to look at as one crosses the bridge: the triumvirate of art deco buildings comprised by the post office, the train station, and the old convention hall. There will soon be a fourth - the Cira Center. Tony says that we need to "treasure the best from the past while letting the rest go." The problem is that "best" is a matter of opinion, and in this country we tend towards not being willing to regulate taste. I would also like to add we shouldn't equate possible adaptive reuse of the Convention Hall with turning it into a hospital. In other works, no one is suggesting using the hall as a new hospital. When I started investigating this topic, I read somewhere that a feasibility study was done for that idea and found it to be unworkable (naturally). I am curious because it seems that there is a lot of land in that area that is empty, so the construction of a world class cancer facility and adaptation of the convention hall wouldn't seem mutually exclusive. The more that area becomes a hospital center, the more it becomes a little city unto itself. People in hospital-city might welcome somewhere to go to shop or have lunch other than the hospital cafeteria. Saying that a commercial adaptation in that area is unreasonable is like saying that Union Station in DC should have been raised and replaced with a government facility instead of the shopping area it is now. All I am saying is that there are certainly possibilities for it's reuse if the situation were amenable. Personally, I'm still trying to collect information on the history of these decisions and always welcome more information on the topic of the Convention Hall. ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony WestSent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:20 PMTo: univcity@list.purple.comSubject: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions: a review Intrigued by all the commentary, I went out last evening to view the buildings in question, taking with me an authentic history-loving tourist. My brother,a scholar of Horace, Spenser and Emerson as well as alifelong, obsessive Victorian rehabber, was in town for the MLA Convention. The last time hewas herehe stayed at the high-Vic bed breakfast on Chester Ave. and droppedhis bucks at the Renaissance drawing exhibit at the Art Museum, and he's been keeping Architectural Antiques afloat down on 2nd Street for decades. So he's the sort of person whose judgementshould matter toPhiladelphia-as-trove-of-period-treasures boosters. We brought along an honors student of his for the ride. The two buildings in question areutterly different. There is no question of their forming an architectural unity;they consist oftwo different eras and styles fastened together with duct tape, so to speak,hemmed inbya modernistic hospital complex, a dashing Italianate museum and a ratty old stadium, all ungepatchke. Neither building is a trailblazer architecturally and neither style is rare. But the old CommercialMuseum is quite a pretty piece of fin de siècle Classical Revival style. We rated it a B+. It would be nice to see it recycled for yet another use. One should note, however, that routine Classical designs are not intrinsically significant since they are, by definition, later imitations of an earlier style. If you ever feelthere aren'tenough faux Parthenons around, after all, nothing stops you from commissioning yet another one! Convention Hall -- call it a B-. It looks nice enough, is well balanced and has some pleasing Art Deco trim. But it is not memorable. It is a costly, workmanlike public building that was designed for transient users and transitory experiences. Translation: it's a convention hall. There's a lot better Art Deco arond town, like the old U.S. Court House (now a post offce) at 9th Market. It's not in the same league with the current Convention Center, either historically or esthetically. If it were torn down, our cityscape would suffer small loss. There is a common confusion in some quarters that Old = Lovely. In fact, though, many old books and many old buildings are mediocre, just like many modern cultural artifacts. While they still merit study by specialists, there is no reason to insist that the man on the street be forced to look at either. True "lovers of history" are those who learn how toselect and treasure the best from the past while letting the rest go. So much for the esthetics. As for the supposed historical importance of these buildings, I fear somefolks are confusing the frame with the painting. A full museum is where important things are kept; an empty museum is empty of their importance. A former convention hall in whicha president once stood to give a speech is no
RE: [UC] Crime Awareness: Specific Crime Pattern of Robberies
Along these lines, I should tell you all a funny story. Remember that bag of drug paraphernalia that was found on Margie Politzer's stoop on the block of Hazel? That was actually a bag of architectural conservation equipment stolen out of my housemate's car. It included little ziplock bags for collecting samples, big syringes for grouting, and a prybar. So, downgrade the crime wave on Hazel from red to orange. Thanks. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ellingsworth Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Crime Awareness: Specific Crime Pattern of Robberies As reported in today's Almanac: http://www.upenn.edu/almanac/between/2004/crim_aware_121504.html Crime Awareness: Specific Crime Pattern of Robberies The Holiday Season is a joyous time of the year but it is also a period when street crime will traditionally rise. Unfortunately this year is not an exception. There has been a spike in street robberies throughout the City of Philadelphia including the University City area. A pattern of armed and unarmed robberies has developed particularly west of 43rd Street. However a few have occurred in our patrol area, specifically between 40th and 43rd Street which is the western border of our patrol boundary. The vast majority of these robberies are occurring between the hours of 8pm and 4am and in most instances, the victim was alone. The University of Pennsylvania Police Department has taken several steps to eliminate this pattern. Our efforts include an increase in police patrols and also assigning specially trained officers in felony patrol in this area. This will continue until either the perpetrators are apprehended or the pattern has ceased. You are urged to be cognizant of your surroundings, walk in pairs and utilize the University's walking escort services. To request a walking escort which is available 24 hours a day call 898-WALK. It is also suggested to incorporate our police emergency number (215-573-) into the speed dialer of your cell phone. Be aware, be safe and Happy Holidays to all. Captain Joseph D. Fischer , UPPD -- Thanks, John Ellingsworth 2004-12-15 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Turn Your Back on Bush
I totally agree with Mario and don't think it's disrespect any more than any other peaceful active protest is disrespect. BUT, I'm worried that if I hoof it down there to DC and brave the crowds, this backturning will prove totally unsatisfying. Can we throw just a couple of eggs before we turn our backs? ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William H. Magill Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:50 AM To: Mario Giorno Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: [UC] Turn Your Back on Bush On 15 Dec, 2004, at 14:14, Mario Giorno wrote: If we turn our backs on the president, we should all be aware that it's classically considered to be the ultimate symbolic gesture of no-confidence. It means we, in spirit if not in any physical sense, shun the man himself and cast him out. I can see why this would be a useful gesture to give toward the president and his policies; it's non-violent, it's universally understood, The simple fact that you feel a need to explain your proposed actions clearly illustrates that the concept is neither universally understood nor a classic symbol of no-confidence. The organizers may wish this to be so, but it is simply not true. In fact, I would counter that the vast majority of the population would consider turning one's back on someone to be nothing more than disrespectful, and a reflection on the upbringing and education of those so doing. We see this kind of behavior daily in the Philadelphia schools, and in almost any pre-teen clique movie ... where Hollywood uses the technique to underscore how immature the participants are. Media coverage of the event will spend 99% of the piece explaining WHY these people were doing what they were doing -- because nobody in the Media will believe that their audience will have any idea what it is that the protesters are doing or trying to accomplish. In fact, the Media will have to interview the protest organizers so that THEY can explain what it is they are doing because the Media folks won't have a clue what it is they are doing. ... except for what the protest organizers will have explained to the assignment editors in their press releases to get the Media to cover them in the first place. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Turn Your Back on Bush - for the ignorant
OH, FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND RIGHTEOUS, not this again... I will break it down for Craig: Craig, some of us don't agree with the president's policies, and now that he's been duly elected, we are trying to figure out how to show him that he does not have OUR political "capital" to spend. That's all. ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:23 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [UC] Turn Your Back on Bush - for the ignorant In a message dated 12/16/2004 9:52:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the significance is that the protesters are showing their support to one another How quaint, the poorly educated and ignorant in a public display of solidarity. Do you think they know how to reduce a fractional intellect to the lowest common denominator? and helping to solidify that they are not alone in their rejection of the Cheney Dynasty and all that it represents. Gee, in the land I am from, the CIN is George Bush, the duly electedPresident of the United States of America. Did you guys participate in a special plebiscitesponsored byAl Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and their effete posse?William H. Magill wrote:the vast majority of the populationwould consider turning one's back on someone to be nothing more thandisrespectful, and a reflection on the upbringing and education of those so doing. No dialog. No relationship building. No shared vision. So who are the un-Americans now? E Pluribus Unum? Or, is it too a victim of our failing to teach in our schools authenticAmerican history, instead of revisionist PC detritus? It is itthe way ofthe warrior, to turn his back on his enemy, Stephen? Or do you recognize, the current Office of the President is not occupied by theenemies of our Nation? Our Nation was established as and shall foreverremain "a new order for the ages". Craig MelidosianRealSolutions NetworkP O Box 33355Phila PA 19142-0555215-724-8148 24hr voice/fax215-724-3212 voiceBreakthrough RelationshipsEnhancing Value in Community GovernmentCopyright 1998-2004
RE: [UC] block cleanup
Um, he also forgot to remind people about the crime on the you-know-which block of Hazel. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cass Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 7:06 PM To: 'L a s e r B e a m (r)'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] block cleanup Smooth!! I like the way you managed to work some UCD AND Penn bashing (complete with a mocking reference to the new UCD logo) in response to Stephen's positive UCD/it's a great neighborhood post. I would have been even more impressed if you had also been able to work in some badmouthing of the HD crowd with a sneering reference the vision of the anointed. What's up --not feeling inspired on a Monday? Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of L a s e r B e a m (r) Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] block cleanup Stephen A. Fisher wrote: I wanted to thank UCD for their help and organization yesterday. Due to their efforts and some gentle prodding by Bruce Anderson, our block now has 2 block captains (we didn't have any a week ago) and we had 10+ people out yesterday cleaning up leaves. About half were renters. Even a 3yr old showed up to help and brought his own tools. With the continued support of the Gables (BB) we collected about 40 bags of leaves! UCD showed up as promised with tools, gloves, and bags. What's even better is that we now have the beginning of a community forming on our block with at least 5 different households involved. I really appreciate the work done by UCD and am very impressed and excited by my neighbors and their efforts. It was a great day in Mr. Rogers neighborhood yesterday, Stephen 46th @ Regents ps. Ray, you're right, I'm not from around here, I'm from Southern Calif. It's not just a different country, it's a different world. you amuse me, stephen(r). what you describe -- the leaf rakings and the block captains and the sense of community -- is what we've always had in this hood, even when it was being described in all the penn publications as unlivable, even before ucd was created. but now that you've arrived, be sure to keep reading, and do stay tuned -- who knows, one day you may discover what it is you're actually doing here, and how far your thanks will count towards negotiating ucd's four-year branding arc! . laserbeam(r) [aka ray] people come go, but the leaves have always been around __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] From today's DP
Somehow I missed what's been going on at the food court. Did something happen? Did they find The Anthrax there? ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:56 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] From today's DP Another black eye for Penn's top-down, (yes) anointed, style of deciding what's best for the great unwashed masses. (My prediction -- "Cereality" up the street will take their waitperson's tacky bathrobes and fold up their silly business before the Froot Loops al dente and Rice Krispies a la mode get soggy in the bowl.) -- Al Krigman - Two more vendors abandon food court By rachel schwartzDecember 7, 2004Two more vendors have closed their businesses in the Moravian Cafes food court, bringing the total number of vendors to leave the 34th and Walnut Street location within the last month to six.Oriental Gourmet and Bitar's have both chosen not to renew their leases -- which are set to expire at the end of this month, according to Facilities and Real Estate Spokesman Tony Sorrentino.Facilities is working to bring both a CVS and three additional food service stations to the space, which is set to be redesigned and renovated by Fall of 2005."We are having active discussions with CVS and we hope to sign a lease with them soon," Sorrentino said.Though no decisions have been made as to whether the current CVS on the 3900 block of Walnut Street will close, Sorrentino said that Facilities is currently researching the University's ability to support two CVS pharmacies on campus.The department is also actively working to ascertain what types of food outlets should replace the vendors that have left the cafes.According to Sorrentino, Facilities wants to determine what kinds of cuisines would best fit the demand of Penn students and "then, based on usage, go to the [appropriate] vendor.""We are in the process now of designing what the modified space would look like," Sorrentino said.Only two vendors, Famous Famiglia Pizza and Gourmet Ice Cream and Yogurt, remain in the food court.Alex Barkat, an employee of Gourmet Ice Cream, said that customer traffic has decreased since the departure of the other six vendors.Some students seem ill at ease when faced with the prospect of a CVS within the current site of the food court.Second year Engineering graduate student Ram Iyer said that he is unsure how the food court and CVS combination would succeed. Iyer noted that the food court is one of the few affordable places for students to come to eat and said he hopes it will be ready soon.However, some students feel that a CVS would help bring in more business to the location than it has experienced in the past."I would probably come here more often," said Post Baccalaureate student Rachel Altork, who noted that she is frequently on the eastern side of campus.Down for the countOnly two vendors remain in the Moravian Cafes food court at 34th and Walnut streets.Remaining: Gourmet Ice Cream and Yogurt and Famous Famiglia PizzerianVacating: Bitar's, Oriental Gourmet, Philly Steak and Gyro Company, The GrillWorks, Buckhead Deli and Wrap Company and Salad Creations
RE: [UC] Leaf Pick Up
I had a bag out on the 16th (Tuesday) and no one picked it up. Anyone else have leaves picked up on Tuesday? ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:29 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [UC] Leaf Pick Up In a message dated 11/12/04 11:57:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Beginning Monday, November 15, The Citys sanitation division will dispatcha truck to pick up leaves in the following sections of University City:Mondays Powelton VillageTuesdays 38th to 50th streets, Pine to Woodland Ave.Mark, does this mean they will pick up leaves raked into the street (getting to be impossible, since parking is so tight now) or leaves raked into bags and left at the curb? If it is leaves in bags and the city doesn't pick them up, will the property owners get tickets for trash out on the wrong day? Also, last night on Springfield Ave. I saw that bags of leaves had been left behind by the regular trash crews - do they need to be moved from the street till next Tuesday to avoid tickets?Melani Lamond
[UC] DANGER: 4600 Larchwood !! Gangs of criminal smartasses sitting on porches with shotguns!
Or so I've heard, Cass. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Cass Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] DANGER: 4600 Hazel Street- Criminals Running Rampant Nope. Join the Town Match or sit out on your porch on 4600 BLOCK OF HAZEL STREET with Sam and Andy cleaning your shotguns. That will improve property values. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:27 PM To: Jonathan Cass Cc: University City List Subject: Re: [UC] attempted mugging Can we please take the geographic reference out of the subject line. Every time you relive your war stories or cleverly banter your witty repartee, the property values on our block drop by about $100. Steve Metraux 4600 block Hazel Ave. Quoting Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Stephen: I, of course, wasn't on the porch and didn't witness what happened, but I find it hard to believe that these nice young girls would behave the way you have described without some type of provocation. This sounds a lot like the situation described by Pete in which he acted agressively towards some local youths only to find out that they were well prepared to defend themselves. Although my day-to-day experience with today's teenagers is limited to my trolley ride back and forth to Center City, I can say, without exception, that the behavior of the teenagers that I ride with is just terrific. They are, almost without exception, kind, courteous, and, of course, well spoken. (I know that Bill Cosby has given some well publicized speaches complaining about African-American youth, but I, for one, think he is talking crazy!). More than once, a pleasant, freshly scrubbed teenager, knowing that I find it difficult to read the paper while standing, has offered me his or her seat. Anyway, thanks for the kind words concerning my postings. Jonathan -- Original Message -- From: Stephen Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Stephen Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:23:59 -0500 I think you may have deserved the beating your received for acting so aggressively to these young boys. i think you and sam are way off here. when someone initiates a mugging, that's pretty darn aggressive. they clearly set the tone and i think it was very reasonable for pete to push back. unfortunately in this case it ended up badly. I am sure their response was not intended to be vicious, but instead was an appropriate act of self-defense. the guys were carrying bats! you think they were just heading to the ball field to hit a few and just decided to mug pete because he was there? they were clearly out to cause problems and unfortunately pete ended up a target. this was a vicious attack. there is nothing 'self-defense' about continuing to hit a guy who's obviously unconscious. You should be ashamed of yourself. jonathan, i think you should be ashamed of yourself. i usually respect your postings. i feel this one is way off the mark. btw, a few weeks ago (around 9pm at night), a friend was attacked on her porch at the corner of 45th and Chester. my friend was sitting on her porch drinking some tea and 6 high school aged girls approached her. 3 stayed on the street apparently as lookouts while the other 3 came onto her porch and started to push her around. she was fortunately able to get into her house AND keep them out -- the 3 tried to push their way into her house as well. do not underestimate the violent nature of many kids these days... happy saturday, stephen Jonathan Cass wrote: Pete: I agree with Sam on this one. I think you may have deserved the beating your received for acting so aggressively to these young boys. I am sure their response was not intended to be vicious, but instead was an appropriate act of self-defense. The part about beating you unconscious, although obviously a bit over the top, is a merely an indication of the fear your actions aroused in these boys. You should be ashamed of yourself. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Samuel Nicolary Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:19 PM To: Pete Coyle Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] attempted mugging on 4600 Hazel Ave There is more to being a badass than: 'I pushed him in the chest and almost knocked him down, and yelled [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Maybe that was your problem. You gotta be able to take the licks as good as you can give them - and/or vice versa. Live free or die. -- Sam Nicolary On Thu,
RE: [UC] HD Saves Mount Airy From Rapidly Growing Fundamentalist Church
Sorry, you missed the point. It was that the Church couldn't justify the additional costs associated with keeping the existing buildings. Al, I think you picked a bad example that doesn't really further your cause. The buildings in question are very legitimate historic assets to Mt. Airy, and people were right to get up in arms about a fly-by-night congregation's intention to raze them. For those who want to read more, I just googled: mt. airy historic impacting your world ...and got plenty of biased/unbiased choices to browse. ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan CassSent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] HD Saves Mount Airy From Rapidly Growing Fundamentalist Church I, personally, chalk this up in the HD positive column. Jonathan A. Cass-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:22 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] Still clinging tenaciously... ? Still clinging tenaciously to the belief that historic designation isn't gonna cost you and your neighbors money? Here's some genuine empirical evidence (you know, the kind of factsthe anointed don't believe in) that suggests otherwise. It's from today's Inquirer. Always at your service and ready for a dialog,Al Krigman --Church scraps deal to buy vacant retirement homes byL. Stuart Ditzen A rapidly growing fundamentalist church that had sought to buy and demolish two vacant retirement homes on a 5.6-acre tract in Mount Airy has changed its mind. Put off by the recent historic certification of the buildings, the Impacting Your World Christian Center in Germantown announced yesterday that it would look elsewhere for a site for a church for its 1,800 members."We have to count the costs," Sherman Toppin, lawyer for the church, said in a statement issued by the church. "It's going to be much more expensive as a result of the historical designation." (emphasis added)Preservationists and community groups in Mount Airy objected last summer when the church's plan to buy and demolish the retirement homes on West Johnson Street was made public. One building was built by music publisher Theodore Presser in 1914 as a home for retired music teachers. The other was built in 1895 by George Nugent, a wealthy woolens manufacturer, as a home for retired Baptist ministers. Both buildings now are badly deteriorated.The city Historical Commission certified the buildings as historic properties this fall, preventing demolition without commission approval.
RE: [UC] Attorney General selection
Good point. That's why I think it's a good idea for some of us to get in the habit of actually writing or calling our representatives, instead of signing our names to the bottom of email petitions that don't go anywhere. You might think that writing in loses its effectiveness, but the truth is that the reps' offices pay people to tally up the support or lack thereof for various issues. Think of your whatever opinion you send them as a vote of sorts. They just need to know where their constituents stand, as opposed to only hearing from the usual vocal special interests. I think the Constitution Center site is very useful for writing our reps, so I thought I would pass that info along, regardless of the A.G. issue. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: Jacob Nachmias [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:37 PM To: Dubin, Elisabeth Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Attorney General selection In my opinion, this is a total wste of time. As Senator Leahy said, At this point the President could get Genghis Khan confimed as Attorney Gneeral, Mass email protests lose thier effectiveness if they are used too often. They should be saved for occaions when they might do some good. Jacob Nachmias ~ ~ According to several news sources (here's one: ~ http://www.news8austin.com/content/headlines/?ArID=3D124321SecID=3D2 ~ http://www.news8austin.com/content/headlines/?ArID=3D124321SecID=3D2 = ~ ), ~ Bush just selected Alberto Gonzales to be his new Attorney General. I ~ don't know too much about him, but he did recommend to the President (in ~ his role as counsel) that the U.S. not be bound by the provisions of ~ the Geneva Convention in dealing with prisoners of war. He also was ~ counsel to Enron. Read below for what a friend has to say about him:=20 ~ =20 ~ Gonzales had been Enron chief counsel before whole thing broke, but not ~ before illegal practices started. i am not sure exactly what role he ~ played in setting up the shell game there but i do know he drafted the ~ briefs suggesting that at Gitmo there was no need to uphold Geneva ~ conventions--and this later got extended out to Afghanistan and the ~ Iraq. lots of stuff on this by Seymour Hirsch (sp?) in the New Yorker ~ over the past year or so... basically the argument is that enemy ~ combatants do not require the same sorts of legal protections as ~ POWs...which is bogus and is also getting people like McCain and Powell ~ up in arms because if it doesn't apply to the folks we're grabbing, then ~ why should it apply to US POWS? ~ =20 ~ If you're interested in defeating his nomination in the senate, write ~ your senators and representative now. Even if you're not, here's a good ~ site to know about: ~ =20 ~ http://capwiz.com/constitutioncenter/home/ ~ =20 ~ At the Constitution Center's website, there's a button called Citizen ~ Action where you can write to your senators and rep. and the pres. in ~ one fell swoop. Very useful for this type of thing, no cutting or ~ pasting involved. ~ =20 ~ Forward widely. I want people to know about the Constitution Center ~ site for whatever issues they care to communicate about. Our senators ~ need to know more than ever how we wish to be represented. ~ =20 ~ =20 ~ =20 ~ =20 ~ ELISABETH DUBIN ~ Hillier ARCHITECTURE ~ One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F ~ 215 636-9989 | hillier.com=20 ~ =20 ~ ~ --_=_NextPart_001_01C4C764.8189EFC9 ~ Content-Type: text/html; ~ charset=us-ascii ~ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ~ ~ !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN ~ HTMLHEAD ~ META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3Dtext/html; = ~ charset=3Dus-ascii ~ META content=3DMSHTML 6.00.2800.1476 name=3DGENERATOR/HEAD ~ BODY ~ DIV dir=3Dltr align=3DleftSPAN class=3D078445418-10112004FONT = ~ face=3DArial=20 ~ size=3D2According to several news sources (here's one: /FONTA=20 ~ href=3Dhttp://www.news8austin.com/content/headlines/?ArID=3D124321amp; S= ~ ecID=3D2FONT=20 ~ face=3DArial=20 ~ size=3D2http://www.news8austin.com/content/headlines/?ArID=3D124321amp ;= ~ SecID=3D2/FONT/AFONT=20 ~ face=3DArial size=3D2), Bush just selected Alberto Gonzales to be his = ~ new Attorney=20 ~ General.nbsp; I don't know too much about him, but he did recommend to = ~ the=20 ~ President (in his role as counsel) that the U.S. not be bound by the=20 ~ provisions of the Geneva Convention in dealing with prisoners of = ~ war.nbsp; He=20 ~ also was counsel to Enron.nbsp; Read below for whSPAN=20 ~ class=3D650233120-10112004at a/SPANSPAN class=3D650233120-10112004=20 ~ friend/SPAN has to say about him:nbsp;/FONT/SPAN/DIV ~ DIVSPAN class=3D078445418-10112004FONT face=3DArial=20 ~ size=3D2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV ~ DIVSPAN class=3D078445418-10112004Gonzales had been Enron chief = ~ counsel=20 ~ before whole thing broke
RE: [UC] Dear Adeline
No way, the best part was the Suburban Plastic Cheese. That's the part that made Bender laugh out loud when he wrote it, and then he looked sheepishly around to see if anyone caught him laughing at his own funny. ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete CoyleSent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:14 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [UC] Dear Adeline "FINALLY, the old bathtub has about sixteen legs, a layer of thick green moss all over it, and big scary hairs growing out of the bunghole." This was the line that had me laughing out loud. :Pete On Thursday, November 11, 2004, at 03:47 PM, Mario Giorno wrote: Ross, My day was just shitty until I read Dear Adeline. Thanks for putting a smile on my face! Mario :-P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Dear Adeline Dear Adeline: I've just moved into my DARLING charming and elegant old fixer-upper in UC Village (of course it's in the Catchment Basin for the new Judy Rodin School of Disembodied Poetics) and it is simply GORGEOUS! Only one problemo -- the kitchen and bathroom floors simply WON'T DO!! I mean, they've got those stinkywhite vinyl blocks and crappy tiny tiles -- you know the kind that I mean? So like positively RETRO! I mean, we're talking SO twenty seconds ago, know what I mean? What do YOU advise? Also, while we were moving in my boyfriend got mugged RIGHT ON THE FRONT STEPS!! I mean, I thought this was a nice SAFE neighborhood!! Of course I got a description of the PERP and I cellphoned it to Mommy RIGHT AWAY! The guy was of course a big scary black fellow, about 6 feet9 inches tall, really dark complexion, thick lips, scars all over his body, wearing this creepy gray hoody kinda thing. OH, and I jotted down a DISTINGUISHING MARK -- he had these big white buck teeth and in the middle of the left front incisor he had this HOLE chiseled out in the shape of a HEART! And he kinda lisped. And he said his name was Frank. So hopefully the police can put away this evildoer PRETTY SOON. I hope! Or we might have to consider moving back to Narberth. I mean, jeez, our real estate agent told us this was a SAFE neighborhood. FINALLY, the old bathtub has about sixteen legs, a layer of thick green moss all over it, and big scary hairs growing out of the bunghole. OF COURSE the first thing I thought was like this has SO got to be replaced, but then my boyfriend was flipping through the recent issue of Urban Homes and Gardens and he saw where these Yuppies in Detroit had their old 16-legger refinished and they redid the whole bathroom in sort of New Age/Art Deco style and won the Suburban Plastic Cheese award, so can you give me any advice? ALSO, my hind end is getting sorta saggy, I mean I AM almost 30 years old now, so I was wondering is there a good Nip 'n Tuck place in the Hood? Of course I make an annual trip to Singapore for you know like augmentations and such, but for say a monthly toneup I'd like to use some local craftsman. Do you know any good pizza places that deliver? And where we can get the Beemer serviced? And speaking of servicing, can you tell me (just between us girls) whereel boyfriendocan get a nice BLOW JOB? I mean, you know how men are these days, and I really find that kind of stuff kinda DISTASTEFUL, know what I mean? Plus Arthur always wants me to swallow, and I'm like YECCH, gag me with a spoon. So I was reading in COSMO that nowadays young wives are like "OUTSOURCING" these unpleasant domestic duties and I figured in a hip and trendy neighborhood like UC Village there MUST be a service. Guess that's about all I can think of right now. At any rate, I'm trying to think and nothing happens. Thanks for all the inside TIPS! Luvya. Ciao, babe. Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
This is quite funny. Ok, I'll bite. What non-partisan political analysts would those be? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of William H. Magill BTW, while neither has released the actual numbers, quite a number of actually non-partisan political analysts (yes they do exist) have indicated that Bush probably has a higher IQ than Kerry. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values
Craig, withsome due respect, you are shouting your manifestos into an ocean of people who not only largely disagree with you, butwho fervently and passionately oppose most of what you are putting out here on the listserve, day after day. You cannot bend me to your mindset any more than I can bend you to mine, so I typically don't waste my time yelling at you on the listserve. You, practically alone on your hilltop, shouting into the blue, blue sea, are giving me a lot of acid in my stomach. Can you do me a favor and just cut down on the frequency of yourdogmatic postings? It would save me a lot on my Tums bill. By the way, thanks for the advice about the tree thing. ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- Everyman's America In a message dated 11/4/2004 7:11:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But can't you just FOR ONCE not have to try to divide everybody up and set up opposing sides? After our recent extraordinary election, for a moment let me take off my rose colored glasses and my Cheshire cat grin. The divisiveness continues on the part of the blues, unwilling to see reality. So, let us look at the election like a football game. The blues lost on the defensive side of the ball, the offensive side of the ball, and most importantly on the scoreboard. The Democratic Party has been reduced from a national party to a regional party, yet allowed to participate in national governing. The blues now represent the Loony left coast, the liberal northeast coast, and the socialist leaning north central states. For the arty or science orientedamong you: Red is the color of richly oxygenated life giving blood. Blue is the color of blood and organs approaching failure. No matter how you try to twist the statistics, and might I say without humor, the ordinary people of America soundly repudiated you blues. Never in my lifetime, in this country, has one political party so dominated all three branches of government. May you be long to rail on Special K; do not let the wrongly self-anointed push you out into the cold wet unforgiving night. Study the management methods of Ivan the Terrible or work to unite our precious nation: E Pluribus Unum. Learn to think differently or die. T
RE: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values?
I think what Chip wrote here is pretty interesting. My problem this election was not the holding back from calling people Neanderthals part, but rather not having enough opponents to talk rationally to about why I'm voting for Kerry. Most of my friends are already on the same page. When I _did_ have the rare opportunity to have a civilized conversation with someone of a religious-based, pro-Bush mindset, I found myself out of practice in how to talk to them about my attitude towards the candidates. Weird, right? I need to set up a family of cardboard evangelists in my living room and practice talking about these things, to be better prepared next time. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles H. Buchholtz Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:31 AM To: Stephen Fisher Cc: Wilma de Soto; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values -- A Few Questions... From: Stephen Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:56:02 -0500 It was a real eye-opener that people feel so strongly about abortion and gay rights that they are willing to overlook everything else -- EVEN a war they didn't necessarily believe in or a President with questionable motives. I heard a number of people call into WHYY to explain why they voted for Bush. What they said was much more complex and subtle than family values. Let me see if I can capture it. These were people who cared a great deal about treating people right, doing the right thing, and (for the Christians among them) doing what Jesus would do. They were in a dilemma. Kerry supported abortion and gay marriage, and they were deeply disturbed by that. Bush was against helping the poor (both here in abroad) and was causing a lot of pain and suffering by starting wars, and they were deeply concerned by that, too. In their conversations with Bush supporters about their concerns about Bush, they heard, Yes, those are very serious concerns, and the President is also very concerned about these issues. Bush really wants to help the poor, but it's a tough problem. He really thinks that what he's doing is the right thing. And Bush really wants to help the people of Afghanistan and Iraq, he is aware that there's a lot of pain and suffering over there, but he really believes that what he's doing is the right thing in the long run. In their conversations with Kerry supporters about their concerns about Kerry, they heard, What, you're one of those neanderthals who still supports school prayer, and wants to eliminate abortions and homosexuality! What's next, eliminating all sex outside of marriage! I bet you think the earth is flat, too. Where have you been since 1960, under a rock! I can't believe you could be s stupid. So, they voted for Bush. I don't think they heard any special campaign that everyone else was not aware of. I think they just reacted to it in a way that few people expected. One person mentioned that when Clinton talked about abortion, he said that he wanted to make abortion legal, available, and rare. The and rare part communicated to people that he understood, respected and shared their concerns about abortion. The important thing is to welcome people who are anti-gay, and anti-abortion into the discussion, not saying that we will change the party platform, but saying that we respect their concerns, but we can agree on fundemental issues. We need to speak to Christians, particularly evangelical Christians, in language that shows that we share their values and that our platform is based upon those shared values. There's no hyprocrisy involved. My Christian friends supported Kerry because of their Christian values, not in spite of them. I googled for ' I was hungry jesus ' and the first site I found was, George W. Bush and the teachings of Jesus (religiousleft.bmgbiz.net/bushandjesus.html). Just my 2 cents, --- Chip You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values?
One more thing to take away from this discussion... Since people often aren't interested in the facts, we should probably focus more on emotional arguments. How many times have you deleted a fact-filled email before reading more than a few lines, because you already knew that you either agreed or disagreed with the conclusions? Email forwards about who served in the army and for how long, who stole what, who did what drugs and when... I guess in the end, they aren't effective at all. They just travel in the same circles, around and around. Same thing with opinions. I try to read Craig's stuff before deleting it, but I admit to failing sometimes (see previous post regarding stomach acid). If I really was a devout Christian, I'd probably want to save the world, too, by showing everyone the way of God and the difference between good and evil, etc. Wouldn't you, if you believed you had found the truth? I've been thinking about forming a reverse-missionary group to travel the heartland explaining the ways of secularism to the non-heathens. You know, so they understand us better, a la this thread about fostering understanding. What do you think? ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: Charles H. Buchholtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 12:21 PM To: Dubin, Elisabeth Cc: UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values? From: Dubin, Elisabeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:09:57 -0500 I think what Chip wrote here is pretty interesting. My problem this election was not the holding back from calling people Neanderthals part, but rather not having enough opponents to talk rationally to about why I'm voting for Kerry. Kerry carried Pennsylvania, so the problems wasn't that we didn't do a good job of talking to our neighbors. What the Democrats need to do is to get this message into the heartland. It might be a good idea to start a left-wing religious values campaign now, in a gentle way, so that in four years it's an accepted part of the political dialogue. I once talked to a friend of mine, who was something of a Christian theologian, and I told her that everytime I heard about Christian values, it was always something I opposed. She explained that left-wing Christians don't believe in claiming that their political stands are endorsed by God. So, when you see left-wing Christians in the media, they either don't mention that they are Christian, or they don't talk about politics. I replied that I felt that this was a privileged position that Christians could take because they are the majority religion in this country. If a wacko Muslim, or a Neo-Pagan, or even a Jew, took some un-popular stand and claimed that it was motivated by their religion, dozens of religious leaders would speak out to clarify the issue. She said that that would be an in-appropriate response for a Christian, because since this is a Christian culture, everyone knows what Christianity really is, so it's best to just maintain a dignified silence when people say obviously looney things in the name of Christianity. Since I'm not a Christian, I don't feel that it would be effective or appropriate for me to lead in this area. But I hope someone does, because this dignified silence thing isn't working. Hmmm, left-wing televangelists... Think about it... --- Chip You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values?
This is all predicated on the idea that there's one real truth, and that if we all talk about it rationally with each other, we all might arrive at it. Sort of center in on it, like triangulate all the opinions and get the truth. But what if truth is not absolute? What if we'll never agree? How sad. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: Charles H. Buchholtz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Dubin, Elisabeth; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] The Triumph of Moral Values? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:51:13 EST In a message dated 11/5/2004 12:57:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What the Democrats need to do is to get this message into the heartland. With all due respect... Those with the vision of the anointed seem to think that if people disagree with them, they simply didn't get the message through to the great unwashed masses. So they'll try again. Could it possibly be that the message was received loud and clear and was rejected based on collective systemic experience? Yup, the conversation has to go both ways. We have to learn from their experiences, and help them to learn from ours. Maybe we'll change our minds, and maybe they will change theirs. I was thinking specifically of people who had said, essentially, I would have voted for Kerry if his campaign had been more respectful of my culture and values. In that case, it's not a matter of getting the message through. They have already received it. It's a matter of building bridges, and overcoming some well-deserved mistrust from the other side of the river. And it's hard to do that quickly, when you have an immediate ulterior motive (like getting a vote). It's easier to do over a long period of time, when there's no immediate prize to be fought over. --- Chip You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Dave Axler, local resident had heart surgery
I agree with Paul. Dave's post made me sad. Dave, you could have just made your point more concisely and said a few positive words about the idea that people care about you. The poster is probably crying right now. :( Anyway, hope you are recovering well. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Dave Axler, local resident had heart surgery An interesting post for a number of reasons. This really shows another angle on well wishing, being supportive and caring. While all the rationales for criticism of the posted news were laid out, and I appreciate the chance to be sensitized, it seems harsh to be so dismissive of the unknown poster's intent. Wasn't he trying to be helpful in letting those who are concerned about you know that you are doing well? Apparently he screwed up, but is your response really completely on target regardless of good intentions? Although you don't say so, there is a strong suggestion that you'd rather be left alone. To avoid causing all these problems for a patient, should we stand back and wait? Send a card maybe, but don't call and definitely don't visit. I'll call you or invite you if I want to put up with the hassle. Do most people who have been hospitalized feel that way? Do any patients welcome the healing power of friends and love over the hassle of not being able to rest more? Finally, why do all these concerns not apply if you just had a baby or are dying? Does the new mother, with her wholly dependent baby, not need the rest of the guy after surgery? Are burglars more respectful of the dying, not to mention the identity thieves? In a message dated 11/3/2004 12:22:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On September 13th, the following two paragraphs were posted on the UC list: At the PSFS meeting this weekend, it was announced that long-time SF fan and UnivCity resident Dave Axler had bypass surgery recently. Since I've run into many local residents who knew Dave, but did not know about this, here's some info. According to a posting on smofs*, he's at Beth Israel Deaconess Hospital in Boston Massachusetts, and he's recovering well from bypass surgery. He'll be staying at the hospital a few more days, and then staying at an adjacent hotel for about a week while his doctors monitor his condition before he returns home. *[For those who don't know, smofs is a small-circulation moderated discussion list for the organizers of science fiction conventions] I've been debating about the appropriate response to this posting, which had me as its subject. To be blunt, it should never have been made. Regardless of the intentions of the poster, the end result was that it caused me some problems that should have never occurred, and added new, unnecessary stress to an experience that was already extremely stressful. I considered just responding to the poster, off-list. But, after discussing this with a number of close friends who have gone through similar hospital experiences, it's become clear that some folks out there just don't have a clue how to deal with other peoples' medical situations. So, in the hopes that I can spare someone else in the future a bit of the aggravation that I experienced, I'm going to respond here on the list. (It's a somewhat belated response, but that won't affect its accuracy.) Let me start with some basics. While these are generalizations, my conversations with others suggest that they're true for pretty much any extended hospital stay, with two possible exceptions: women delivering babies (where congratulatory phone calls are rather common) and those patients who go into the hospital expecting to die. To start with, one of the first things that hospitals require when you arrive and check in is to provide them with the name and phone of a contact person. Primarily, that is to ensure that there is someone who can make critical decisions while you're unconscious or otherwise incapacitated. In addition, that person is also the patient's spokesperson. If someone calls the hospital and asks for a patient at a time when the patient is in the operating theatre, the ICU, or otherwise incommunicado, the hospital can direct the caller to the spokesperson. [In my particular case, because I was in an out-of-town hospital, I actually had more than one contact person. There was one relative who was local to the hospital, a second -- my brother -- who had the medical decision-making job, and a small collective here in Philly that was taking care of my cats and house during my absence.] Typically, the contact person also takes on the job of notifying selected friends and family about the patient's
RE: [UC] Bush Victory
Actually, Sharon, we DON'T have to hold back from saying we're ashamed. If I'm ashamed, then I'm ashamed. If I'm angry, then I am angry and I can't make nicey-nice right now. I hope we continue to be divided as opposed to apathetic. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharon Nicolary Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:07 AM To: Dan Myers Cc: Jonathan Cass; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Bush Victory For those of you who are ashamed to be an American, shame on you. We are lucky to be in a country where we have the right to express our opinion, and yes, vote for whomever we want... For those of you who want to move to Canada, why all the talk? Move to Canada. If you think you'll be happier there, I say go ahead. However, perpetuating such views as the president is dumb and I'm ashamed to be an American is disgusting to me. I know it is disappointing to have wanted a change in regime, but this doesn't mean we can continue to throw outrageous remarks around and continue this hatred. It is this kind of negativity that divides us as a country. We must consider a change in attitude. Sharon Quoting Dan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anybody up for a mass move to Canada? I am utterly disgustedI thought this country knew what was good for them. Obviously, they are interested in making themselves look smarter by having a dumb president. It's really pathetic. I am hoping for a recount. Florida decision was made quite quickly this year, possibly to avoid cynicism. Dan Myers - Original Message - From: Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [UC] Bush Victory The only silver lining I can see is that Bush is going have to deal with the mess that he created in Iraq and the next terrorist attack that will likely occur on his watch. I don't even want to think about what is going to happen with the Supreme Court. I think I am going to puke. Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] Melinda E Salmon/Health/Phila is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 11/02/2004 and will not return until 11/05/2004. I will reply to your email upon my return. Thanks. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Ballot Question Blues
I've been looking for an analysis of the Philadelphia ballot question: Should the city of Philadelphia borrow $76,251,010 for and toward transit, streets, sanitation, municipal buildings, parks, recreation, museum, and economic and community development? Vote yes or no. ...and I can't find any breakdown of this issue in any of the papers. What does this really mean? If we vote yes, does that mean the state will not be pressured to adequately fund SEPTA and other issues listed in the question? I really hate these ballot questions because they are so easy to misinterpret. You'd think the papers would at least explain the consequences in some kind of analysis or endorsement. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] TREE EMERGENCY STATUS REPORT
Hi neighbors, I took the day off work today to guard the tree. (Don't laugh.) I spent the morning on the phone, and talked to various people in the city, Fairmount Park, private arborists, etc. In the end, it was Councilperson Blackwell's office that proved most helpful. After talking to a guy affiliated with the park this morning (who said the tree was coming out no matter what because they have the budget this year), my spirits were low. But then a neighbor got in touch with Alisa Orunda-Sneed at Blackwell's office, and she took the problem and the time frame seriously. (See below to read what she wrote.) The issue here was that someone at Fairmount Park was looking at these trees as individuals, and not in terms of the impact that removing the 5 biggest trees on the block in two years would have. In another context, for example if there were other huge shade trees still on our block, things may have been different. In this case, I'm willing to pay for the tree to be pruned so that I can nurse it along until we get a plan going for where we can replace big canopy trees. If we can get some more large trees in, five or ten years down the road we'll feel the loss less of this last big Norway Maple. By the way, I have never been a big tree-hugger. But my dad came to visit once, and standing on my porch he said, Listen. I haven't heard that sound since I was a kid in Avondale, Ohio. It was the sound of shade-tree leaves swishing in the wind, mixed with the sound of kids playing on the block. Something really hit a nerve all of a sudden with this latest tree event. So, for those that live on my block, I'll be organizaing a pruning workshop with the Cross-Baltimore Tree Tenders so we can take care of our small young replacement trees. Wrte me or check your mailboxes soon if interested. Bottom line - I think we have an agreement that the Park is taking the tree off the kill list. Thanks to you all for your interest and support. The moral (I think, so far) is that you _can_ often fight back and not let things just happen to you. You just sometimes have to take a day off work to do it! Elisabeth P.S. I climbed out of the tree and I'm inside now. :) P.P.S. To those not on the listsever who I've cc'd, don't hit Reply-All unless you want my whole neighborhood to read what you write. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 11/1/2004 3:05 PM To: Dubin, Elisabeth Cc: Subject: RE: Advice or help regarding a street tree I am glad Elisabeth that they were able to come out today and work out a compromise. Do you know that they are also taking out trees along S. 48th Street? Thanks to you, we were prepared and will institute a new policy that they have to let out office know when they are planning to remove vast numbers of trees so we can let the residents know. Also, I mentioned to Deanna that we have funds to replace trees that they have removed . If you can get me a list of addresses, we can plan a community day and replant them. Please stay in touch. Alisa Alisa Orduna-Sneed Director of Special Projects Office of Councilwoman Jannie L. Blackwell City Hall Room 408 Philadelphia, PA 19107 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Somewhat of an EMERGENCY.
I don't know why they removed the one at 42nd and Spruce, but they may replace it yet. For some reason, you can't replace the tree right away, you have to wait until spring. For the record, even though I was basically arguing with a guy at the Fairmount Park tree dept. over my tree, he WAS very amenable to the idea of replacing it and offered to do so next year. That just wasn't the answer I wanted to hear at this point. On a related topic, my mom in L.A. just sent me this: ___ I just saw an article on California Gold (KCET) about a Santa Monica city worker who used to inspect sidewalks for tree damage; faced with cutting down 26 trees, he had a dream of rubber flexible sidewalks. It ultimately led to the development of rubber sidewalks which have been tested for 5 years; Santa Monica is now the first city to use the modular sidewalks made from recycled tires when they replace their sidewalks instead of cutting down trees. (www.rubbersidewalks.com) * * * * it's a shame when a large mature tree is taken down. does anyone know why the big ol' royal paulownia on the nw corner of 42nd and spruce was removed? I recently noticed it was gone, hadn't realized it was unhealthy or problematic -- it bloomed magnificently just this spring. now there's only two remaining paulownias on that block (one at each end, when there used to be two at each end). nothing was planted in the place of the removed paulownia ... . laserbeam [aka ray] __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Somewhat of an EMERGENCY.
Hi neighbors, I came home on Friday night to find a city sign on my mature maple tree, saying not to park there and that they plan to remove it. I was really crushed by seeing this sign, since our block (4600 Hazel) is so nice because of our beautiful tree canopy, which has already been somewhat compromised over the last couple of years by the loss of several big trees. The worst part is that there was zero notice about this removal, so no time to go through the channels to try to get a review of this tree's death sentence. My take on it is that the tree has a dead branch or two, so the city has declared it a liability. Otherwise it's a very large and healthy-looking tree. Anyway, I am literally staying home Monday to watch the tree and make sure no one chops it before I have a chance to get an arborist to look at it and confirm its condition. I need advice about how to throw a wrench in the city's process before it's too late, and about a good tree-person to come look at it. I know some of you have given me good advice already, but I want to put it out there to the greater group to see what wisdom turns up. If you want to reach me, email me back! Or come find me in the maple tree, midblock. Sadly, Elisabeth You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Stop. Oh... please... stop. Stop hurting America.
Just out of curiosity, is there anybody else out there who gets the "Jean Carrie" joke? Is this some kind of cultural reference I'm missing? ELISABETH DUBINHillier ARCHITECTUREOne South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:19 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [UC] Republicans for Kerry Blacks for Bush, You Me In a message dated 10/26/2004 7:56:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: His name is John Kerry and since there has been no plan from George W. Bush and since blacks are usually invisible, under ANY plan, perhaps HIS plan would be to make us less invisible instead acting as if we do not exist; OR if we do exist NOT pretending we are no different from mainstream America. I keep asking my black American friends what has our Democratic Party done for you? It looks to me for most of my friends, all the D leadership has done is put shoes on their feet and move them from the fieldsinto the big house to work as maids, janitors, and maintenance men. Damn the Great Society has been productive for blacks, and worth every cent of tax payor money spent on it. And just what is the body of work markingJean Carrie's relationship with the American Black Community? He is the one who keeps screaming to, "judge me by my history of honorableand thoughtful sensitive service to the country. Oh, and have I spoken to you about equal access to the building trades unions here in Philadelphia, during this city's biggest richest construction boom? I just hate it when good people get screwed. I'm going to workout to hurt some steel. Later Hone. I mean that with affection and respect. I'll even apologize to Siano later.
RE: [UC] Clothes make the Man
If the hate and animosity are coming from Blue America, consider that people unhappy with the status-quo are often passionate and emotional, whereas I have lately found the Bush supporters around me to be rather more blasé about things. I really hope that the Slate article wasn't proposing the idea that most democrats are JERKS. That wouldn't be civil. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William H. Magill Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:00 PM To: University City List Subject: Re: [UC] Clothes make the Man On 22 Oct, 2004, at 14:29, Brian Siano wrote: Driving home, I rip off my Bush-Cheney shirt so I can walk the streets of my neighborhood unjeered at and without terrifying little children. Reflecting on the sting of being called asshole during my travels through Blue America, I wonder: If I were truly a Bush supporter, how long would I be able to endure a life filled with epithets before I gave up on the shirt? Changing into a nonpartisan brown Gap polo, I breathe a sigh of relief that I will never have to find out. Richard Rushfield is a Los Angeles based journalist. He edits the LA Innuendo, a satirical review of local culture and co-authors the Intelligence Report for Vanity Fair. Article URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2108561/ The article is quite informative and only goes to support what many Politically Incorrect have pointed out -- the hate, animosity and lack of civility in this election comes from Terry McAuliffe / Howard Dean side of the fence. If you want an interesting comparison of the Candidates, examine John Kerry the candidate in the Spring and compare him to John Kerry the candidate in the Fall... very different people, very different positions. You can see a clear change in the Candidate pre and post Convention. It truly makes one wonder what John Kerry really stands for. One is forced to wonder what a post-victory Kerry Administration will be like? Will Kerry still wear his Camo and tote his shotgun or will he seek to register gun owners and ban saturday night specials? Once Kerry gets government to pay for health insurance, will he ever do anything to control the actual cost of health care? [Government health insurance is simply a blank check for the health care industry. They will be able to charge whatever they want because insurance will pay for anything.] Or will he actually control the real costs by nationalizing the health care industry and pay doctors, nurses and others a flat government salary? If you make less than $100,000 a year, Kerry will cut your taxes -- but if you make more than $100,000 a year he will increase them ... or will he? He wants to return the Clinton Surplus AND dramatically increase government spending; the money has to come from somewhere, and there aren't enough billionaires around anymore since the Clinton bubble burst? Kerry is going to eliminate outsourcing, and replace them with good paying American jobs. Consider the unintended consequences: If you consider that an Indian IT worker gets paid (much) less than $5,000 per year, (the average annual income for an Indian is $450 according to this week's Economist) and you replace them with a US worker being paid the $75,000 - $100,000 they were paid in the US, how much will prices rise? What's that going to do to Walmart -- the largest employer in the United States (as well as in Pennsylvania)? 80% of the goods sold at Walmart are imported, mostly from China. Similar numbers apply to manufacturing wages between China and the US. If Walmart starts buying American how much will their prices increase? 50% 100%? If prices increase that much that rapidly, what's the inflation rate going to be? 10%, 20%? higher? What's that going to do to the housing bubble everyone is yamming about? What happens to the Mortgage market when the Fed increases interest rates to 4% or 5% let alone higher attempting to subdue the rapid rise in inflation. Kerry plans to have a 10 year energy development program. Does that mean that, like France, we will have 90% of our electricity generated by Nuclear power plants in 10 years? Starting on January 21st that is the only technology available capable of generating equivalent amounts electrical power to replace existing coal, oil and natural gas fired generating plants within 10 years. [Completely ignoring cost issues here] Photovoltaic technology is, in the laboratory, less than 20% efficient, but only about 15% efficient in products which can be manufactured outside the laboratory. Wind power? Then you have the problem which Massachusetts and Connecticut have today -- instead of oil wells polluting their costal views, they are fighting windmill farms -- and no one believes there is any possibility of generating sufficient
RE: [UC] Debates Ahead
Did you all hear the bit he said that was replayed on the Leno show? The part about OB/Gyns? If not, I'll try to find a link. In the context of discussing how doctors are getting sued too often, and how good docs can't afford to practice, he said, OB/GYNs are being preventing from practicing their LOVE on women all over the country... I can't believe he said that. ELISABETH DUBIN Hillier ARCHITECTURE One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 | hillier.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elliot M. Stern Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 3:58 PM To: University City List Subject: Re: [UC] Debates Ahead Dr. Pierce teeters on the edge of making a diagnosis, but his remarks Bush should immediately be given the advantage of a considered professional diagnosis,... suggest that he means to offer a professional opinion, rather than a diagnosis. Elliot On 08 Sep 2004, at 12:53, John Ellingsworth wrote: It seems terribly unprofessional for a doctor to make a diagnosis through a letter to the editor, even with the disclaimer of accountability. A more plausible theory is that Carl Rove said George, THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK! [ http://news.google.com/news?hl=enlr=ie=UTF -8tab=wnscoring=dq=%22carl+rove%22btnG=Search+News ] On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Suzanne Minnis wrote: These letters were in the current (October) issue of the Atlantic. sue When George Meets John ames Fallows's description of John Kerry's debating skills (When George Meets John, July/August Atlantic) was interesting, but what was most remarkable was Fallows's documentation of President Bush's mostly overlooked changes over the past decade-specifically, the striking decline in his sentence-by-sentence speaking skills. Fallows points to speculations that there must be some organic basis for the President's peculiar mode of speech-a learning disability, a reading problem, dyslexia or some other disorder, but correctly concludes, The main problem with these theories is that through his forties Bush was perfectly articulate. I, too, felt that something organic was wrong with President Bush, most probably dyslexia. But I was unaware of what Fallows pointed out so clearly: that Bush's problems have been developing slowly, and that just a decade ago he was an articulate debater, artful indeed in steering questions and challenges to his desired subjects, who did not pause before forcing out big words, as he so often does now, or invent mangled new ones. Consider, in contrast, the present: the informal QAs he has tried to avoid, Bush's recent faltering performances, his unfortunate puzzled-chimp expression when trying to answer questions, his stalling, defensive pose when put on the spot, speaking more slowly and less gracefully. Not being a professional medical researcher and clinician, Fallows cannot be faulted for not putting two and two together. But he was 100 percent correct in suggesting that Bush's problem cannot be a learning disability, a reading problem, [or] dyslexia, because patients with those problems have always had them. Slowly developing cognitive deficits, as demonstrated so clearly by the President, can represent only one diagnosis, and that is presenile dementia! Presenile dementia is best described to nonmedical persons as a fairly typical Alzheimer's situation that develops significantly earlier in life, well before what is usually considered old age. It runs about the same course as typical senile dementias, such as classical Alzheimer's-to incapacitation and, eventually, death, as with President Ronald Reagan, but at a relatively earlier age. President Bush's mangled words are a demonstration of what physicians call confabulation, and are almost specific to the dia! gnosis of a true dementia. Bush should immediately be given the advantage of a considered professional diagnosis, and started on drugs that offer the possibility of retarding the slow but inexorable course of the disease. Joseph M. Price, M.D. Carsonville, Mich. he whole of James Fallows's article on Bush and Kerry's debate styles was interesting, but one comment jumped out at me: [Bush] has rarely been interested in the details of any policy matter, believing that he 'has people' who can master the subject for him. What further proof is needed that Bush's policy decisions are based on whatever his people choose to tell him? Naturally they will tell him whatever (and only whatever) supports their own agendas. Although, as Mary Beth Rogers says in the Fallows article, his ability to stick to his message and repeat it might be remarkable, it implies to me that he doesn't know enough to answer questions that go beyond the text he has been given by his people. I suspect that his widely noted lack of eloquence is due to his understandable insecurity. If the
RE: [UC] church
William H. Magill wrote: So today, you have what's left. Historic designation or Historic Preservation is utterly meaningless in this context. The simple fact of the matter is -- nobody gives a damn what happens to these structures, except for a few people who want to tell others what they can and cannot do with their properties. When these few are gone, they're gone, and they won't be an issue anymore. William, can you please tell me what exactly you mean by this? This is the most depressing thing I've read on the list, like, ever. Nobody gives a damn about these structures except for a few people? And only the anointed? Tell me, what would you like your neighborhood to look like? Only dollar stores and Eckerds? You are saying you have absolutely no sense of the sublime looking at these buildings? No sense of what came before you or what will come after? When they tear down 30th Street Station, will you remember what it felt like to walk in that space? Personally, when I look at the beautiful churches in our neighborhood, like the tiled dome of St. Francis DeSales, I feel bigger than I had. These buildings WILL NEVER BE BUILT AGAIN - the economy we live in will not allow it. Labor is too expensive. Craft is almost dead. If we do not protect what we have, that's it. Maybe you want to live in a bleak landscape, but you will find it's more than a few people who want to tell others what they can and cannot do with their properties who don't. If I've somehow misunderstood your post, forgive me. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Valuing Historic Preservation
BGAnderson didn't actually say anything about the HD proposal. I think it's a general statement... Could be interpreted broadly, the we being we as in individuals with private money, or our society locally (as in the HD ideals), on the state level, or at the federal level. The church collapse is not a great example of the pros or cons of a potential HD. The repairs on that steeple will be of a tremendously costly nature no matter how you look at it (this is not about buying cheap balusters at Home Depot). That's probably why it collapsed in the first place. What's more interesting is the problem that many urban churches face - declining congregation, declining funds, less money for maintenance and repair, and the corresponding deterioration of building stock that would cost much less to maintain than to rebuild (if money were available). This topic is on my mind because we can extrapolate and sort of predict the loss of many of these buildings in the not-too-distant future. I think I have the answer, though. SLOT MACHINES in the churches. Think about it. :) HillierARCHITECTURE Elisabeth Dubin T 215 636 x4176 | F 215 636 9989 The Widener Bldg. | Mezzanine | One South Penn Square | Philadelphia | PA | 19107-3502 www. hillier. com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Siano Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:15 PM To: University City List Subject: Re: [UC] church [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think its a shame that the tower collpased last night. I'm going to guess the heavy rains and a lack of proper maintenance were the cause. How many other historic buildings are going to fall before we really invest in historic preservation? Well, given the accounts Al's given us, about another church which couldn't afford the repairs mandated by the PHC, it's difficult to see this as a mandate for the HD proposal. One could argue, with equal force and evidence, that the owners would be facing repairs of an extremely (and prohibitively) expensive nature. The fact is this is a huge loss for the beauty of the neighborhood. I'm glad no one was hurt... and I hope it can be rebuilt. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Shadow Protest? Please.
A lot of things that Shadow Protest is protesting are understandably protest worthy. But David Lynn's idea of fighting the political machines by having people sign up to volunteer for the two political conventions, and then not show up, is seriously lame. I mean, people. This guy needs a mom to give him the two wrongs don't make a right line. His argument that the Philadelphia economy didn't benefit (in 2000) from the Dem. convention employing city workers (because they had plenty of volunteer labor) is NOT a reason to LIE and cause chaos and be basically stupid this year. People can volunteer for whatever they want, and if you have enough volunteer support, you don't have to pay anyone. Lucky you. That's the way it goes. God, I really hope people harness their passions against real threats instead of prancing around the convention in Boston going, Heh heh, fled you!. For those that have no idea what I'm irritated about, read the Shadow articles (see below). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Philadelphia 2000 The Shadow Protest made it in to this week's CityPaper: http://citypaper.net/articles/2004-07-15/cb6.shtml In a message dated 7/14/2004 11:46:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mark Krull [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi I found this article a good read since we are in a heated election again this year. This happened pre 9/11 and Patriot Act http://www.shadowprotest.org/article2.htm You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Catchment Area: Why oh Why oh Why???
Dear L-Beam, I appreciate the effort you took to put this email together, so let's conitune this dialogue a little bit. I am curious about this boundary issue. Clearly, thought has gone into both boundaries; if not, they'd just be circles or boxes drawn around the epicenter of each issue (the school and the Spruce Hill Neighborhood). With regard to the first issue, the West Phialdelphia Streetcar Suburb IS a National Historic District, listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Anyone who's interested in the difference between a National and Local Historic District can find out a lot just by googling what is the difference between a national and local historic district? so I won't cut and paste anything here. My understanding of it is that it boils down to a few issues: National Register status affects federal funding for federally owned lands and buildings (interior and exterior), while local status allows a local board (the Historical Commission) to review permits submitted to L/I foir exterior work. Most of you already live in the West Philadelphia Historic Streetcar Suburb National Register District. I agree, it is bigger than the proposed SHHD, but still not sure what your point is about that. Sorry to be daft. Next, I see how the Sprucehill website makes sure to point out that the boundary of the proposed district IS NOT the same as the boundary of the Spruce Hill Neighborhood. What is the boundary of the Spruce Hill Neighborhood? Why or why wouldn't it be the same? Then I read about the disputes between the UCCC and the SHCA over the school district boundary. Sorry, but maybe you can spell it out for me again. I follow you to the point where you are saying that neither boundary is in the interest of the residents, which I could argue with, but how does this argument change if you tweak the boundaries one way or the other? Both boundaries will still basically surround the areas they concern. How are the nuances of the boundaries of issue? I still don't understand your point about the coincinding boundaries. Sorry. Thanks, Elisabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of L a s e r B e a m Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] Catchment Area: Why oh Why oh Why??? Dubin, Elisabeth wrote: I'm not sure how this image is a nuanced look. back in the day (late 80s, early 90s), the uchs envisioned an historic district called the west philadelphia streetcar suburb historic district. look how big it was, shown here on the uchs website: http://uchs.net/HistoricDistricts/HistDistmap.html later (november 2001), it was announced that uchs and shca had joined forces to nominate the spruce hill historic district: http://uchs.net/Newsletter/newsletter11-01.html this spruce hill historic district, as it was now called, comprised an area much smaller than the streetcar district. look: http://sprucehill.uchs.net/map.htm this covers a distinctive area within the Spruce Hill neighborhood, and if approved, would provide property owners with an effective tool for maintaining our neighborhood's beauty and historic integrity...the boundary of the Spruce Hill Historic District...does NOT follow the boundary of the Spruce Hill neighborhood meanwhile, as early as sept 1998, uchs and shca were asked by penn to assist with the planning for the new penn-assisted school: http://uchs.net/Newsletter/newsletter9-98.html later (july 2000) the catchment area for the new penn-assisted school was drawn: http://www.upenn.edu/almanac/v47/n19/PreK-8Map.gif and immediately after (sept 2000) the shca opposed and left the uccc over the catchment area issue (uccc wanted a lottery, shca wanted a catchment area): http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/3af96d5179bc8?in_archive=1 Amy Williams, vice president of the Squirrel Hill Community Association, said in an e-mail to a community listserv that Grossbach simply overreacted to being on the losing end of the democratic process. She said the UCCC passed resolutions that Grossbach opposed -- including one against the then-proposed catchment area for the new Penn-assisted public school -- and that the shca withdrawal was based on an inability to work with the council's other members. today, the penn-assisted catchment area and the shca's proposed spruce hill historic district coincide rather neatly: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~rrorke/WestPhilly/districtpluscatchment.jpg and this coincidence exists even though the 2000 census figures for that area show an overwhelming majority of people living there are renters, not homeowners (89.4% renters and 10.6% owner occupants), and they're not likely to have school-aged kids (family households: 24.9%; non-family households: 75.1%). in other words, we've ended up with lines bounding both
RE: [UC] Free May Events at the Penn Alexander Community School-Please Forward Widely
That makes some sense. Anybody can fill out a lease form and say they have a lease. HillierARCHITECTUREElisabeth DubinT 215.636. x4176 | C 267.259.4206 | F 215.636.9989One South Penn Square | Philadelphia | PA | 19107-3502www . hillier . com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of FX WinklerSent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 4:34 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [UC] Free May Events at the Penn Alexander Community School-Please Forward Widely Nope. People within the catchment who don't have a gas bill or electric bill. A lease won't do! Jonathan Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean folks who don't live within the catchment area and are improperly (no matter how well intentioned)enrolling their children in the school? Jonathan A. Cass -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of FX WinklerSent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 1:03 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [UC] Free May Events at the Penn Alexander Community School-Please Forward Widely I heard that there are restrictive new rules at the "exclusive" Penn Alexander Academy meant to keep out the p'oh folk who are trying to get their kids in the school? Has anyone else heard this? Do you Yahoo!?Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs Do you Yahoo!?Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs
[UC] FW: Report on Keu's Painting
As a follow-up on Andy Diller's review of Keu's Painting, I'm adding my experience with Keu. He's a pleasure to work with, a truly nice person and trustworthy guy. He takes a lot of pride in his work, and I think his prices are average range. If the estimate he gives you seems a little high, you will soon see why. He had two or three guys on the exterior of my house for ten days, scraping and sanding and then priming and painting. He didn't even start painting until 5 or 6 days into the process. (Also, I thought it was cute that he asked me to scrape the paint off the inside of the windows near the front [a lousy interior paint job that he had nothing to do with] so that people wouldn't look at it from the outside and think he did a sloppy job.) Very nice guy, good work, A+ recommendation. www.keupainting.com HillierARCHITECTURE Elisabeth Dubin T 215.636. x4176 | C 267.259.4206 | F 215.636.9989 One South Penn Square | Philadelphia | PA | 19107-3502 www . hillier . com You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] FW: Report on Keu's Painting
Ok, sorry you guys had bad experiences. I still stand by my positive review. I can't say anything to Marvin's poor review, but for Daniel-- I bet no one else would have given you a good result either. If there is moisture in your walls, it's very difficult to keep paint on even if it's not acrylic or latex. Anyway, on my exterior, he used oil-based primer and two coats of Benjamin Moore latex finish coat. I think that was the right way to go. HillierARCHITECTURE Elisabeth Dubin T 215.636. x4176 | C 267.259.4206 | F 215.636.9989 One South Penn Square | Philadelphia | PA | 19107-3502 www . hillier . com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Daniel Aharon Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 10:51 AM To: University City List Subject: Re: [UC] FW: Report on Keu's Painting More data: Keu painted the interior of our condo, and the initial experience was very positive. He is certainly an amicable guy. We spoke to him at length about the difficulties inherent in the job, due to the layer of calciferous paint that would need special primer on top of it. Eventually (there was a language barrier) Keu convinced us that he understood and knew exactly the brand of stuff to use. He brought in his crew and finished in record time, at a great price, with good attention to detail. We really were impressed with his professionalism. Unfortunately, after a couple months, we realized that all was not well. Our paint was already peeling away from the wall, resulting in a few large cracks. Worse, the paint in the bathroom began fading; where there had been solid color, the white primer now showed through, with a texture to it, as if the color layer had become thinner, allowing the pattern made by the roller to poke through the colored paint. The result is that it looks as if we have either a too-light coat of paint, or that the paint has been flaking or dusting off the wall. This happens to a much lesser extent in other rooms, so I guess it's humidity-related. I couldn't really recommend Keu for inside work because of this. However, I have seen him doing what appears to be nice work on the exterior of local houses. It would be good to hear about the quality of these jobs over time. Dan On Apr 28, 2004, at 10:08 AM, Dubin, Elisabeth wrote: As a follow-up on Andy Diller's review of Keu's Painting, I'm adding my experience with Keu. He's a pleasure to work with, a truly nice person and trustworthy guy. He takes a lot of pride in his work, and I think his prices are average range. If the estimate he gives you seems a little high, you will soon see why. He had two or three guys on the exterior of my house for ten days, scraping and sanding and then priming and painting. He didn't even start painting until 5 or 6 days into the process. (Also, I thought it was cute that he asked me to scrape the paint off the inside of the windows near the front [a lousy interior paint job that he had nothing to do with] so that people wouldn't look at it from the outside and think he did a sloppy job.) Very nice guy, good work, A+ recommendation. www.keupainting.com HillierARCHITECTURE Elisabeth Dubin T 215.636. x4176 | C 267.259.4206 | F 215.636.9989 One South Penn Square | Philadelphia | PA | 19107-3502 www . hillier . com You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. Daniel Aharon, System Administrator University of Pennsylvania 3-9089 School of Medicine/IS[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] keu's painting
At the risk of making the UClist posting stats page, I will respond to what Samuel wrote with the following: When someone has two or three guys additional guys (and himself) at your house for ten days and charges you $4750, you get the following: estimate of cost of paint, caulk, and other supplies (not counting tools and ladders): $250 the remaining $4500/3 = $1500 per person That means that at most, Keu probably kept $2000 max for himself if he paid himself more than his helpers. So for ten days, he made $200/day not counting any taxes he might or might not pay out of that. THIS DOES NOT COUNT WHATEVER INSURANCE HE HAS OR ANY OTHER OVERHEAD. How much do you all make a day? I'd pay him that much to do what I think is a great job. I am defending him because I have dealt with people far less competent and pleasant than himself in the past. If everyone I worked with on my house was like him, it would be a good thing. I had no problem with the language barrier, his English is really very good. * fin * HillierARCHITECTURE Elisabeth Dubin T 215.636. x4176 | C 267.259.4206 | F 215.636.9989 One South Penn Square | Philadelphia | PA | 19107-3502 www . hillier . com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of L a s e r B e a m Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:07 PM Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] keu's painting Samuel Nicolary wrote: Though it seems like he has good customer service skills I agree that from what I have seen of his work - the quality of the job doesn't match what he charges. I think that between his personality, the inability for most people to judge the quality of his work due to lack of experience and exposure, that people tend to brush off considerations of quality vs. cost in lieu of just getting the work done and how some quick patching and a fresh coat of paint - no matter how skillfully or unskillfully applied - generally looks better than the previous state, that Keu has a nice little business on his hands. Quality work includes, at the very least, sharp corners and edges, smooth-surfaced woodwork without nailheads or divots and clean straight lines between color transitions and moulding. From the single job of his I have seen - these qualities were missing largely from the work. If the cost had been 1/2 or 3/4 of what he charged for it I wouldn't have been as critically minded. I have seen more professional work done in more affluent neighborhoods on similar jobs for less money. Either those painters were under charging or Keu is over charging. I tend to think the latter case is true. Andrew Diller wrote: Yes, you really need to insist and get the best paint that you can get, which by all accounts, in Benjamin Moore. Some tips: - all trim should have oil based primer and oil paint - use the best quality paint that you can buy. It's only a few dollars more per gallon Keu did a great job on my house, and I had the chance to see many other of his jobs-- as I take the pictures for his web site. He is very aware of the language barrier, and takes great pains to try and explain exactly what he is going to do. He didn't do a -restorative- paint job on my house, and I didn't pay him for one--- everything is not 'perfect.' I paid him to scrape and make it nice, and put on a good primer and patch cracks. His work was exactly what I was looking for, and I've had to problems so far with any of the paint that he has applied. I plan to have him do my exterior and the rest of my 3rd floor this year. -andy diller Marvin Brown wrote: Keu's painting: I was refered to Keu's painting and he did two jobs for me. I do alot of painting myself so it gives me a good idea of what needs to be done. He came in with a high estimate, but I was willing to pay to have a good prep job done. I hired him to do the interior of a house for trim only. He assured me that he would do all the prep work. Fortunately the trim was in excellent condition for a 125 year old house, but there were nails to remove and small sanding. Keu only applied caulk and painted over the trim. He did not remove one nail. His prices are very high for what he does and I expected a good job. We discussed this job many times, but he didn't come through. As I finished the painting of the house I could see all the many things that he missed in the house. It was a 2,000.00 job for trim only and he didn't come through. At first glance it looked great, but the real work was a 600.00 to 800 job. I would never employ him again. What a great disappointment. it's like keu's painting is this year's abbraccio. . laserbeam [aka ray] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving
[UC] Email City Council asking them to cut, not raise, funding for the Hist Comm
Al, you are pretty hard to please. Your friend Jannie Blackwell is in support of this increase in funding. You have done a lot of ranting about how useless the Historical Commission is, and you've supported Blackwell'sproposed bill (which is being tabled, I've heard, due to the negative reaction it received). The Blackwell bill was really an over-the-top grab for power in the guise of a "check-and-balance" improvement. The bill, in a nutshell, stripped the HC of its powers and proposed to give some of them to the City Council (public servants who know little or nothing about historic buildings, in general). There was some discussion on this listserve about how it would be preferable to IMPROVE the Historical Commission, rather than eviscerate it. Now, Blackwell's on board with this plan, and you are still flapping your wings. I am getting tired of reading your obstructionist, negative emails and wonder if there's anything constructive you WOULD support, rather than tirading against the attempts of others. HillierARCHITECTUREElisabeth DubinT 215.636. x4176 | C 267.259.4206 | F 215.636.9989One South Penn Square | Philadelphia | PA | 19107-3502www . hillier . com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:35 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] Email City Council asking them to cut, not raise, funding for the Hist Comm City Council will hear a presentation on Wednesday from the Historical Commission asking for a 22.6% increase in funding and a 20% increase in staffing. Even right-mindedsolid citizenswho support the nomination of Spruce Hill as a local historic district should disapprove of this absurd request. Owing to serious budget shortfalls, the city will be cutting all manner of vital services -- from police, fire, and trash collectionto recreation programs that keep kids on the playgrounds and off the street corners. How, in all conscience, can they even consider raising the appropriations for this function? And, if you think what this Commission does is somehow important, take a look at the photo of Sigel Street in South Philly. Believe it or not, the busted up bricks on this half-block long dead-end alley, lined by commercial garages,are protected by the Historical Commission. One result was that the Water Dept was denied a permit to open the street and install new water and sewer lines when every other block in the vicinity got them. You can email everyone in City Council in one fell swoop and urge them to denythe PHCan increase -- or to decrease their appropriation and use the money where it will actually do people some good. Just click here [EMAIL PROTECTED] and whatever email message you write will be dispatched privately to each member of City Council and the Mayor. (And, if you think that the PHC should get money to regulate the outside of people's homes, while LI is cut back on resources to help ensure the safety of residents, there's nothing to stop you from using the above email facility to say that, too). Al Krigman (PS -- please forgive me if you get a duplicate of this message.) 1100 Block of Sigel St, historically designated
RE: [UC] HD: Constitutional Violation?
Preservation issues havegone to trial many times, especially since the preservation movement really got going following the scandalous demolition (biased description, surely) of Penn Station in New York during the 1960s, wherein the building was dismantled and deposited in adump in New Jersey. There are lots of books on HP Law, for ex. Federal Historic Preservation Case Law, 1966-1996: Thirty Years of the National Historic Preservation Act by Adina W. Kanefield (1996) or just look on Amazon. Also, look here: http://www.achp.gov/book/TOC2.html The most famous case I can remember from school is the Grand Central Station case 20 years ago when the Supreme Court rejected a takings challenge to New York City's historic preservation laws that prevented construction of a 55-story office building atop the historic terminal. I don't remember any cases regarding residential properties or local Historic Districts. But I'm sure they're there. HillierARCHITECTUREElisabeth DubinT 215.636. x4176 | C 610.506.7931 | F 215.636.9989One South Penn Square | Philadelphia | PA | 19107-3502www . hillier . com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jonathan CassSent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 4:58 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] HD: Constitutional Violation? "One of the big issues in historic designation nationwide, of individual buildings as well as districts, involves "takings." The 5th 14th Amendments to the US Constitution require that the government provide "just compensation" for "taking" private property in the public good." Has any plaintiff ever successfully challenged a historical designation of a property based on this Constitutional argument? I have heard this "takings" argument trotted out before as a basis for opposing HD districts, but I have never seen anyone actually reference a case citation wherea plaintiff successfully challenged it under constitutional grounds. It seems to me that since HD districts exist through out the U.S., somebody would have challenged it by now, andif they had won, others would have challenged it as well. If they have challenged it and LOST, then clearly, it is not considered a "takings" such that compensation is warranted. Therefore,an HD designation does not violate the Constitution. Jonathan A. Cass Silverman, Bernheim Vogel Two Penn Center Plaza, Suite 910 Philadelphia, PA 19102 Tel: 215-636-4435 Fax: 215-636-3999 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This electronic message contains information from the law firm of Silverman Bernheim Vogel which may be confidential or privileged. This information is intended for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify use immediately by telephone, 215-569-, or by e-mail reply. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 4:08 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] Calling all seekers of fact One of the big issues in historic designation nationwide, of individual buildings as well as districts, involves "takings." The 5th 14th Amendments to the US Constitution require that the government provide "just compensation" for "taking" private property in the public good. Opponents of HD tend to believe that the process is a taking in many instances, and therefore can be challenged in court (as the Church of Christ did -- reported in Sunday's Inquirer and referenced on this listserv). Proponents of HD claim that the issued was settled across the board by a US Supreme Court decision involving the historic designation of Grand Central Station and the denial of a permit to build an office building on top of it. Seekers of fact can read the decision for themselves and try to conclude whether it it can or can't be extended to all cases. It's at www.iconworldwide.com/histodis/takings_sup_ct.htm. Anyone who missed the Church of Christ piece and wants to see it, it's at http://www.iconworldwide.com/histodis/denials/denied_presby_church.htm. And, of course, you can always go to the historic debacle home page for lots of stuff. It's at www.iconworldwide.com/histodis By the way,you'll be quizzed on this in the morning, so don't try to just make believe you've done your homework. Always at your service and ready for a dialog,Al Krigman
RE: [UC] HD nastiness
I agree with Paul. I think none of us are going to convince the others of us to change our minds. People tend to formulate an opinion based on gut reaction, then look for facts to back it up. Then, once we have our facts, we accuse other people of not doing their homework. The HD conversation has been giving me acid in my stomach lately because of the smug tone of it all. (Ross, you have my permission to use that line to make fun of people like me. Aaah, I'm going to have to unsubscribe! Aahh! Can't take it... any... more!!!) I think discussion is important, and it's important to be accountable for our opinions. But seriously, don't you guys have jobs or anything? I'm still trying to find time to write back to Al Krigman, who mentioned to me that since I was asking about house painters, aren't I glad we don't have an HD to get in the way of my plans (which is kind of ironic because HDs typically don't deal with paint as an issue.) Anyway, back to work, everyone! Sincerely, your neighbor, Elisabeth HillierARCHITECTURE Elisabeth Dubin T 215.636. x4176 | C 610.506.7931 | F 215.636.9989 One South Penn Square | Philadelphia | PA | 19107-3502 www . hillier . com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 6:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] HD nastiness Note to all you hard core pro and anti historical designation people. Your messages are testing the boundaries of civility. You obviously will not convince each other. I suspect that many of us lurkers find the discussion distasteful and unpersuasive. (But please don't ask for a vote on that.) My personal vote is that all of you take it off line and stop forcing your loud selves on the rest of us. If you can't restrain yourself, how about trying to be concise? Paul Uyehara (have an opinion on HD but not interested in talking about it) You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Property Theft
The day before yesterday something funny happened. My roommates came home and said they had just "foiled a caper." Apparently, as they were walking the dogs home, they saw a guy with a shopping cart in front of the house on the corner (I think it's 516 or 519 S. 46th) and in the cart he had one part of a two-part concrete planter. The other part was still in the yard. He was just standing around looking up at the sky. So they stopped walking and stood there talking for awhile and he never moved, so finally they went up and rang the doorbell while the guy was still standing there. At that point, the guy actually PUT THE PLANTER BACK and went away. So, the roomies came home feeling good about preventing that theft. Unfortunately, this morning when I was walking to the trolley I looked over and saw two empty spots there where there used to be planters. I used to think people only stole things that had high resale value so they could buy crack. NOW CONCRETE PLANTERS? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO No planter is safe. Everyone, bring your planters inside!!! Or bolt them down. Mutter, mutter... ELISABETH DUBIN hillierARCHITECTURE T 215 636 | F 215 636 9989One South Penn Square | Philadelphia | PA | 19107-3502www . hillier . com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jonathan CassSent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:55 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] Property Theft It is that time of year again -- a concrete planter was stolen from in front of our house (4600 block of Larchwood) last night. Even without dirt (which was dumped) it is pretty heavy soI am somewhatsurprised that it was taken. Jonathan A. Cass Silverman, Bernheim Vogel Two Penn Center Plaza, Suite 910 Philadelphia, PA 19102 Tel: 215-636-4435 Fax: 215-636-3999 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This electronic message contains information from the law firm of Silverman Bernheim Vogel which may be confidential or privileged. This information is intended for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify use immediately by telephone, 215-569-, or by e-mail reply.
[UC] Painting
I recently got an estimate for the exterior painting of my house. It turned out to be more than I imagined! Since many of our houses are more or less the same (three story twin, mostly brick with wood windows at the side, front and rear) I thought I could tap into this list to see if anyone's willing to tell me what they paid for a full paint job. I'm just trying to see if the estimate was reasonable. Thanks in advance for the info, Elisabeth ELISABETH DUBIN hillierARCHITECTURE T 215 636 | F 215 636 9989One South Penn Square | Philadelphia | PA | 19107-3502www . hillier . com
RE: [UC] Interesting: Taxes in perspective ...
When I read this little story, all I thought was, Why did the owner of the restaurant cut the price of the meal by $20? The guys eating there were totally happy to be paying the $100. He could have used the $20 to upgrade his operation for the betterment of himself and his customers. Now, if he ever needs the $20, there's no way he'll get away with asking for it again because his customers will freak out. Anyway, does this mean I'm some sort of socialist?!? Oh, god. :] ELISABETH DUBIN hillierARCHITECTURE T 215 636 | F 215 636 9989 One South Penn Square | Philadelphia | PA | 19107-3502 www . hillier . com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of William H. Magill Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 3:35 PM To: University City List Subject: [UC] Interesting: Taxes in perspective ... Begin forwarded message: Sometimes Politicians can exclaim; It's just a tax cut for the rich!, and it is just accepted to be fact. But what does that really mean? Just in case you are not completely clear on this issue, we hope the following will help. Tax Cuts - A Simple Lesson In Economics This is how the cookie crumbles. Please read it carefully. Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this: The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing. The fifth would pay $1. The sixth would pay $3. The seventh $7. The eighth $12. The ninth $18. The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59. So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. Since you are all such good customers, he said, I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20. So, now dinner for the ten only cost $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So, the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six, the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share'? The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being 'PAID' to eat their meal. So, the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay. And so: The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings). The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings). The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings). The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings). The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings). The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings). Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. I only got a dollar out of the $20, declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man but he got $10! Yeah, that's right, exclaimed the fifth man. I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than me! That's true!! shouted the seventh man. Why should he get $10 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks! Wait a minute, yelled the first four men in unison. We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor! The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill! And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore. There are lots of good restaurants in Europe and the Caribbean. David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D. Distinguished Professor of Economics 536 Brooks Hall University of Georgia T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] get together
This is an interesting development (people wanting to know who eachother actually is). Maybe there should be a requirement that if you want to post to the list, you must email a real picture of yourself to be posted on the list.purple.com website. That way, people can see you around and we can all be held accountable for what we say here! Oooh, maybe that would even cut down the traffic on this list. Hmm. ELISABETH DUBIN hillierARCHITECTURE T 215 636 | F 215 636 9989 One South Penn Square | Philadelphia | PA | 19107-3502 www . hillier . com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pete Coyle Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UC] get together I might just go to the brunch, and lurk. I think it will be much more disturbing in the world of brick and mortar. Pete You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Upsettingly biased article about Bill 040003
I don't see this as the purpose at all. If she wanted to prevent historic designation, she'd have introduced a bill to rescind Section 14-2007 of the Philadelphia Code entirely ... and been done with it. -AK Perhaps she would have if she thought it would fly. Personally, I support Bill 040003 because of the oversight it provides ... Why would the city council try to take on more oversight responsibilities when it has enough to worry about? THERE IS ALREADY AN AGENCY formed to take on these responsibilities. That is the purpose of the Historical Commission. Councilmembers are not particularly aware of the ramifications of historic designation one way or the other, so why would they choose to take on this extra load? The only thing I can think of is that Councilwoman Blackwell has certain constituents with loud voices that she must answer to. Conceptually, this bill is not right from a city-government-efficiency standpoint and should be killed on principal. If the Historical Commission needs reform, that's one thing. Taking away any power it might have (which is not much) makes no sense. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] South Street Bridge
For what it's worth, I think the center ramps could work if they were slightly longer somehow and, more importantly, if visibility could be improved by redesigning the concrete barrier between the ramp and the adjacent lane. ELISABETH DUBIN hillierARCHITECTURE ONE SOUTH PENN SQUARE, PHILADELPHIA, PA 19107 TEL: 215.636. FAX: 215.636.9989 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Sandy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:46 AM To: William H. Magill Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] South Street Bridge On Thursday, February 5, 2004, at 09:41 PM, William H. Magill wrote: On 05 Feb, 2004, at 09:56, Dubin, Elisabeth wrote: What are the chances that when they eventually rebuild the bridge, that the onramps to the expressway would be reconfigured? I have only been in Philadelphia for about four years, but one of the first things I noticed about driving around here is that those onramps are BAD, both north and south. Very little. I believe that the Bridge is owned by the city, not PENN-DOT. Right you are, but I believe PennDOT is involved in the replacement project. That also ignores the fact that there is a railroad and a river in the way. The only rational solution is to eliminate those ramps completely -- you will notice that the EXIT ramp from the Expressway to South/Spruce Street, both north and South bound is from the high-speed, ie the Left-Hand, lane. But the politicians demanded that they be built. Your first sentence above has more to do with why the South Street ramps connect to the left lane than your last one. At the time the Schuylkill Expressway was built through Philadelphia (~1957), a traditional diamond interchange with ramps angling out from the outer lanes took up more land than a center-of-the-highway interchange (the single point urban interchange, in which ramps connect to the outer lanes of the freeway but converge at a single intersection in the middle on the cross street, had not yet been invented). Since the Schuylkill was being threaded through such a narrow strip of land at this point (the road actually lies partly over the riverbed and its northbound lanes are over water when the river is high), to build an interchange at South Street -- which I suspect Pennsylvania Department of Highways engineers wanted as much as any elected official did -- required a ramp design that took up as little space as possible. Hence the center ramps. ---Sandy Smith, Office of University Communications @ Penn Managing Editor, _Penn Current_ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] 215.898.1423 / fax 215.898.1203 / http://pobox.upenn.edu/~smiths/ Got news? Got events? Got stories? Send em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] South Street Bridge
What are the chances that when they eventually rebuild the bridge, that the onramps to the expressway would be reconfigured? I have only been in Philadelphia for about four years, but one of the first things I noticed about driving around here is that those onramps are BAD, both north and south. We call it The Death Merge and it involves a driver driving, yelling, can I go? can I go? can I go? and the passenger craning to see over the concrete divider and saying, uhhh uuhhh uu wait... uhh... OK FLOOR IT!!! GO! and the whole thing is really scary. Since they're dangerous, have these ramps ever been discussed here? ELISABETH DUBIN hillierARCHITECTURE ONE SOUTH PENN SQUARE, PHILADELPHIA, PA 19107 TEL: 215.636. FAX: 215.636.9989 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mark Krull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 6:08 AM To: Paul Grossman; William H. Magill; Dan Myers Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gail Defendorf Subject: Re: [UC] South Street Bridge INDEED!! Well lets see if it closes the surekill this am!! -Original Message- From: Paul Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 4, 2004 11:55 PM To: William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gail Defendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] South Street Bridge Yeah well the bridge may be structurally sound but that doesn't stop concrete from falling on the expressway below. They were damn lucky that it didn't happen during rush hour. This is number 2 for them being lucky. Next time they may not be so lucky. They keep saying how structurally sound it is but I sure as hell am not going to be driving under that bridge anytime soon. -Paul Grossman - Original Message - From: William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gail Defendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [UC] South Street Bridge On 04 Feb, 2004, at 16:08, Dan Myers wrote: Why doesn't PENNDOT, or whoever deals with this type of failure, realize this is a MAJOR problem that should be dealt with NOW! This is not the first time concrete has fallen off that bridge. What are they waiting for? Someone to die, some lawsuit that the city can't afford? It's ludicrous, ridiculous, and just plain stupid that PENNDOT has been putting off this reconstruction project. Last I heard, the city postponed construction from the summer of 2003 to the spring of 2006 of this bridge. As far as I know, the bridge has always been scheduled for replacement in FY 2006, which begins in July of 2005. The fact that concrete is flaking off and that there are holes in the pedestrian walkways has nothing to do with the structural integrity of the bridge. That is sound. If the flaking continues to be an issue, they will put up netting under the bridge to catch the flakes. (One reporter claimed they were doing that this morning, but I haven't been down to see what was done.) As I understand it, when the bridge is being replaced, it will be completely shut down -- for the duration of construction - 1-2 years. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Dangerous dogs
No one person can control two pitbulls on leashes at the same time. Anyone who thinks they can is a moron. -- W. Zardus Why do people say things like this? It's one thing to have a strong opinion, and it's another to say sweeping things like this in a public forum. Come on. Maryland is considering banning them completely But the owners are as obnoxious and as repugnant as the dogs and their lobby is very tenacious... This too. I can tell you are serious about your hatred for these dogs, but if you want to have a real discussion about this, there's no need to be rude. I do not care more about dogs than people. But, if I am seen walking my two dogs on two leashes, at the same time, I do not want to be lynched on the street for being a moron. ELISABETH DUBIN -Original Message- From: William Zardus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] Dangerous dogs No one person can control two pitbulls on leashes at the same time. Anyone who thinks they can is a moron. *** Holding your child or small dog up in the air may seem like a good idea but that is never going to be effective IFF the vicious dog is really attacking. That means your hands wont be free and then both of you are at the mercy of the dog. If you have no weapon you have got to get behind the attacking dog and lift BOTH back legs up off the ground. Almost all dog experts will tell you that. If you can acccomplish that, it doesn't mean you are safe and can relax !! You have to continue to watch the direction the dog turns and keep moving away from it while you continue holding the back legs off the ground. It might be useful to look into a stun gun if you don't have the strength or courage to defend your child. Pitbulls are completely out of hand in almost every state. In poor neighborhoods they are the dogs of choice because they have huge litters and they are frequently given awy for free. They end up in the wrong hands on a much too regular basis. The breed is completely overbred and they need to be banned in entire states, not one town at a time. Maryland is considering banning them completely But the owners are as obnoxious and as repugnant as the dogs and their lobby is very tenacious. Some know-nothing bleeding hearts are more worried about dogs than people. They need to start taking these crimes much more seriously in every state. When your dog creates mayhem the owner should do serious time. The main problem as I see it, is that people in the suburbs don't give a damn about what happens to people living in cities. Once they insulate themselves form the problem they stop caring about it. WRZ _ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Dangerous dogs
Hey, hold up. I DID NOT WRITE THAT. If you quote people, please quote the right person. I was the one that responded TO that. ELISABETH DUBIN -Original Message- From: Brian Siano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:32 AM To: University City List Subject: Re: [UC] Dangerous dogs Dubin, Elisabeth wrote: If you have no weapon you have got to get behind the attacking dog and lift BOTH back legs up off the ground. Almost all dog experts will tell you that. If you can acccomplish that, it doesn't mean you are safe and can relax !! So all I have to do is reach around, past the foaming mouth and clawing forepaws, and pick up the dog's immobile and easily-grasped rear legs. Call me a pessimist, but at some point in that little maneuver, the dog's snapping jaws are going to be about an inch away from my _balls_. Any other suggestions? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] power corner
Um, I don't know if you all noticed, but R. Bender bashes everyone equally (including dogs), so that essentially negates all the bashing. Don't you know that rule? Elisabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] power corner Ross, In Pete Coyle's email he explained that the term 'Catholic power corner,' was 'weird, but not negative.' I was curious when I saw his original email because of all the recent email traffic about 'bashing.' As a [somewhat] practicing Catholic and member of the de Sales community, I feel that people think it's okay to make fun of Catholics. This is why I commented on Daniel Aharon's comments earlier in the week about 'the wide-eyed, salivating pedophiliac clergy.' If I were to read your last email I would say that to suggest that someone, 'perform some acts of contortions -- the *real* catholics on this list could probably suggest some' is in itself Catholic-bashing. Just sayin' Bruce Andersen In a message dated 12/10/2003 9:57:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, Benseraglio2 writes: Hi, I'm not a Catholic myself, but I think I can speak for all Catholics when I say that I believe you owe an apology to the Pope and all his Cardinals for your weird and negative catholic-bashing. And perform some acts of contortions -- the *real* catholics on this list could probably suggest some. Just sayin Ross Bender You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Advice on removing paint from stone
I used to work for the New York City Parks Outdoor Sculpture Conservation Crew, and I have to be negative, but the work we did removing junk from stone bases usually involved serious chemicals. Someone said it on this list before, but generally, the more noxious the chemical, the more chance it has of working. And conversely (inversely?), the "green" products tend to be relatively less effective. Here's a summary of what I learned about removing junk from stone: bird crap - use soap and water gum - scrape it off, trying to salvage your dignitysince peoplewatching you probably think you're a criminal sentencedto community service, and then hit the spots with mineral spirits. paint - use paint thinner, or if there is a lot of paint, use something like a gel-based paint stripper like Peel Away (I think we used somethingcalled Zip Strip). If you are trying to get to virgin-looking stone, be prepared to do the same as for wood stripping -- lots of elbow grease. The more you let the chemicals act, the less elbow grease needed. graffitti done with a giant sharpie - try every chemical you have and then start sanding. By the way, most of the stone we dealt with was granite. If you have a softer stone, like for example the green serpentine around here, I wouldn't be aggressive. Also, I haven't tried it, but you might want to try a poultice on the stone - incorporating a solvent into a clay or paper poultice. Contact me off-list if you want to talk more about that. E ELISABETH DUBIN hillier ONE SOUTH PENN SQUARE, PHILADELPHIA, PA 19107 TEL: 215.636. FAX: 215.636.9989 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Andrew Schwalm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:40 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [UC] Advice on removing paint from stone Hi, I'm planning to remove some paint from the stone on my front porch, and I was wondering if anyone has any experience on the best way to do it. I expect it to be labor-intensive and to involve wire brushes. But are there any chemicals--preferably green!--that would help? Would a heat gun be useful? Thanks, Andrew
RE: [UC] Alert: Another Car Breakin at 48th Beaumont
Someone "broke" in to my roomate's car on the 4600 block of Hazel. I say "broke" because the window was already broken from last year's break-in. Anyway, they stole a bunch of tapes (no value except personal) and for some reason her owner's manual for the car. DUH. ?? E ELISABETH DUBIN hillier ONE SOUTH PENN SQUARE, PHILADELPHIA, PA 19107 TEL: 215.636. FAX: 215.636.9989 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Joe Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:19 PMTo: University CitySubject: [UC] Alert: Another Car Breakin at 48th Beaumont Someone broke into my sister's car last night. They used a screw driver to open the trunk and stole a lot of clothes that she had in there. They also broke the read window and searched the car for valuables. I've reported this to the Police and to UCD. This is going to persist until this/these people are caught. They had to have spent a lot of time going through my sister's car, which was parked beneath the street lamp. Did anyone see or hear anything? There was a lot of stuff and it would not be easy just to make away with it. Any help would be appreciated. Joe Clarke " The first casualty of war is truth. And when the elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers".
[UC] Verizon
I was trying to figure out what was wrong with my router this weekend, and I came to the conclusion that my Verizon DSL service was out. Can anyone confirm that Verizon DSL was not working in our hood this weekend? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] RE: Bike traffic increases dramatically on Spruce St
Just for the record, a few weeks ago I was riding in that bike lane and got doored by a passenger who suddenly got out of a car in the lane next to me. I wound up in the ER for an open fracture to the toe (weird injury, I know, but I was wearing sandals). Before that, I was always vigilant and terrified when riding on Spruce between 38th and 33rd, and now I just plain won't ride there at all. It's just too busy with taxis, loading, and chaos. No one pays attention to bikes, and despite the sign regarding ticketing vehicles in the bike lane, I don't think people think twice about hovering there in their cars. I honestly don't know what should be done there, but there is still an inherent conflict between the bike lane presence and the fact that it just isn't safe... in other words, just because you put a bike lane there does change the nature of the street. So, what's the solution? (I'm ccing the univcity list on this, not to bring up the bike topic again but just as a reminder to be safe on Spruce.) ELISABETH DUBIN -Original Message-From: John Boyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:33 AMTo: Bike listserve (E-mail)Subject: Bike traffic increases dramatically on Spruce St On tuesday afternoon I took a one hour bike count on Spruce St. west of 38th using a digital camera. Tentatively between 110 and 120 bikes used Spruce St between 4 and 5 pm. In 1998 a pre-bike lane count was undertaken by the Streets Department Consulting Team at RBA 6 hours a day during 3 weeks in April. Back then the peak evening hourly count averagewas 75 bikes. The absolute highest number for any hourly count was 91 bikes in the morning. This represents a 40 - 50% increase in bike traffic after bike lanes were installed on Spruce St. Over thefew daysI will do further analysis of the photos to determine helmet use, wrong way and sidewalk riding. A side note - a Penn Police van and a flower van blocked the bike lane for several minutes in front of me., While the police van could claim emergency vehicle status (they were answering a call) the officers basically ignored the flower vanright behind them. John Boyle For local bicycle news visit the Philly Bike Bloghttp://bcgp.blogspot.com
[UC] RE: Bike traffic increases dramatically on Spruce St
Peter, Thanks for the advice, but I will point out that in that case, it was the passenger of a car in the driving lane that opened the door suddenly at the red light. I think I might have been more prepared if I hadn't been so busy looking at the parked cars to see if anyone was about to pull out or open their driver door. Basically, I agree with your idea of riding towards the left, but sometimes in a busy area like that, all kinds of things go on at the same time. E ELISABETH DUBIN hillier ONE SOUTH PENN SQUARE, PHILADELPHIA, PA 19107 TEL: 215.636. FAX: 215.636.9989 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Peter Rosenfeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dubin, Elisabeth Subject: RE: Bike traffic increases dramatically on Spruce St From: Dubin, Elisabeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just for the record, a few weeks ago I was riding in that bike lane and got doored by a passenger who suddenly got out of a car in the lane next to me. I wound up in the ER for an open fracture to the toe (weird injury, I know, but I was wearing sandals). Before that, I was always vigilant and terrified when riding on Spruce between 38th and 33rd, and now I just plain won't ride there at all. It's just too busy with taxis, loading, and chaos. No one pays attention to bikes, and despite the sign regarding ticketing vehicles in the bike lane, I don't think people think twice about hovering there in their cars. I honestly don't know what should be done there, but there is still an inherent conflict between the bike lane presence and the fact that it just isn't safe... in other words, just because you put a bike lane there does change the nature of the street. So, what's the solution? I have been very concerned about the fact that these bike lanes are built such that, if you ride down the center of the lane, you are in the so-called door zone of cars parked parallel to the lane. Dooring is a very common accident on urban streets with parallel parking. I was particularly alarmed after a fatality last summer in Boston on a similar door-zone bike lane (DZBL). A woman fell under a bus after either getting hit by a car door or swerving to avoid an opening door. The proper thing to do is to design the lanes to indicate the safe position to ride with respect to the door zone. Until that is done, I would suggest riding on the far left-hand side of the lanes, close to, or on, the left bike lane stripe. I think this will keep you out of the door zone in most cases, but you need to check make sure. Two-door cars open very wide. Really, bike lanes offers no safety at all. In general, never ride in the door zone. You should ignore the bike lane striping and choose a position that is safe for you. If you learn safe riding positions, you'll find this section of Spruce quite safe and comfortable. If you are really interested and know other people who are interested, I can try to arrange a set of classes with our local Effective Cycling instructor. Unfortunately, the bike lane tends to cause you to want to go down the middle, and this can be quite dangerous as you found out. Sorry about your toe, I hope it's healing well, but I'm glad it wasn't worst. -Peter Rosenfeld You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
