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RE: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-20 Thread Kyle Cassidy

Title: RE: [UC] Sad commentary





that's what i always tell people who complain about the liquor stores. 


don't like liquor stores? then don't stand in front of them asking for spare change.



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May I suggest a radical idea - home cooking.  
Save money and be as veganous, carnivorous or carbohydratienne as you
please.

Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-20 Thread Marlevi




May I suggest a radical idea - home cooking.  
Save money and be as veganous, carnivorous or carbohydratienne as you 
please.

Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-20 Thread John Desmond

Salutations, gentlefolk,
<<
College sophomore Eitan Danon looks forward to change.
"I'm just really excited to have Taco Bell on campus. We've long deserved a Taco 
Bell," Danon said
>>

I am wondering what he did to "deserve" a Taco Bell ??  Has the Dean of Men 
found out about it ?  The local constabulary ?  Will the _DP_ investigate ?  The 
_Daily News_ ?

Inquiring minds want to know.
Yours, John Desmond

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Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-20 Thread Brian Siano

Dubin, Elisabeth wrote:
Of course you are allowed to voice your opinion.  But we have an obesity
issue these days, not to mention hypertension and high cholesterol.
Sorry, but since some people out there don't know that this crap is
hardly food at all (given how unhealthy it is) I think the more of these
places there are the more the trickery continues.  It's not FOOD!!!
Just because it's in a restaurant doesn't mean it's food.  (It's people.
Hah hah.)
 

Geez. One might get the impression that we'd want to keep the Penn 
Students healthy and trim.



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Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-20 Thread Margie Politzer

Title: Re: [UC] Sad commentary

Thanks, Naomi, for putting into words what I was wanting to express.

I will miss the Oriental Buffet (or whatever its name was). It was the only one of its type in the area.

Margie P.

This is indeed a sad commentary. There were some wonderfully diverse and locally owned vendors operating out of the food court that were moved out so we could have more multi-billion dollar corporate chains brought in. Not only is the food they are serving unhealthy, but their business practices will do nothing positive for the community. The majority of the money spent will be sent back to corporate headquarters. (KFC and taco Bell are both owned by “Yum! Brands – the world’s largest restaurant company” based in Louisville, KY and Quiznos is based in Denver, CO.)

This is from Quiznos website:

Quiznos sells a franchise, on average, every 4 hours. This means that by the time a flight leaves L.A. and lands in Chicago, Quiznos has sold another franchise.

Quiznos signs a lease, on average, every 14 hours.

A new Quiznos opens, on average, every 8 hours somewhere in the world.

Growth for the sake of growth is the agenda of the cancer cell.

- Naomi

on 4/19/05 8:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Today's DP has an article about what's going into the commercial space at 34th & Walnut to replace the Moravian cafe etc. IM(not so)HO, it's either a sad commentary on the penn Administration for thinking this is the way to serve the University and surrounding Communites, or a sad commentary on the University and surrounding communities for this being what they actually want.
One would think that a world-class university with a business school at the top of every list would be more attuned to encouraging entrepreneurial efforts that foisting junk food off onto the hoi polloi.
Always at your service and ready for a dialog,

Al Krigman
PS: CVS is closing at 40th & Walnut -- no surprise since they're relocating to 34th & Walnut. And there's no shortage of pharmacies in the 'hood. Penn owns that building -- and combined with Cinemagic's former space (Oh, didn't you know it's now history?) -- there's lots of room for some creative commercial endeavors. Let's see what they come up with. Is the venerable Friends of 40th Street involved, or at least putting their famous "principles" in front of Tony Sorrentino, Omar Blaik, Amy Gutman, & Co?
==
Text of article:
Quiznos, Taco Bell, KFC to hit Moravian
By austin lavin
April 19, 2005

Officials moved one step closer to filling the Moravian Cafes at 3401 Walnut Street with announcements that Taco Bell, KFC and Quiznos signed a letter of intent late last week.In addition to filling two of three remaining spots in the food court, the University also finalized a lease with CVS Pharmacies.

With the deal, officials announced that the current campus CVS located at 3915 Walnut St. will eventually close in the fall.

Construction will begin on CVS soon, Penn "won't start construction with Quiznos or Taco Bell or any retailer until they sign a lease. But a letter of intent is a good sign of progress," Facilities and Real Estate Services spokesman Tony Sorrentino said.

A letter of intent is not necessarily a binding legal document. However, Sorrentino said that the University has confidence that a lease will be signed.

Taco Bell is a Mexican fast-food chain, Quiznos sells subs and KFC sells chicken.

Officials are still looking to fill one remaining spot in the eastern side of Moravian, a space which has remained mostly empty since the beginning of the semester.

Famous Famiglia and Gourmet Ice Cream will continue to operate.

Though no contract is in place, Sorrentino said he hoped the new food court tenants will open by September.

A dividing wall currently exists between the half of the 15,000-square-foot site that will become a CVS and the other half that will be occupied by five individual food venders.

Both campus CVS stores will operate for a few months during the transition, but officials hope to have the old space in use by 2006.

The 3900 block of Walnut Street now has several major vacancies, which officials said they will address later this week.

The new placement of CVS upsets some who live on the western side of campus.

College freshman Nicky Berman, who lives in Harnwell College house, said the new pharmacy will be inconveniently located.

She also said that she does not plan on visiting the new Moravian to eat because she has no interest in any of the new restaurants.

"They are all really bad for you," she said.

College sophomore Eitan Danon looks forward to change.

"I'm just really excited to have Taco Bell on campus. We've long deserved a Taco Bell," Danon said, adding that he will probably go more often because of the new selections.

White Dog Cafe

Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Gary J. Jastrzab

On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Dubin, Elisabeth wrote:
We're all going to die!
Correct.

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Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Wilma de Soto

My only vexation with your statement is that I grew up in Philadelphia.

When we heard that people could go to Gino's (which was the first to have
KFC here AND the Gino Giant preceded the Big Mac), Mc Donald's, Burger King,
Pizza Hut and the like, that was in suburban/rural settings that were not
available to us in the inner city.

Therefore, I grew up on hoagie shops, pizzerias and the like featuring
Neapolitan, Abruzzi and Sicilian pizzas, tomato pies, garlic pizzas, etc.
Real Italian hoagies made on locally baked Italian bread; cheesesteak
sandwiches, where people used to take a brisket or a hunk of rib-eye and
slice it on a electric slice machine (before Minute Steaks®) and fry it up
etc.

Please let's not forget real Jewish delis with seeded rye bread, corned
beef, spiced beef, pickled herring, whitefish salad and Nova, etc.  Pickles
and green tomatoes from an actual wooden barrel and Halvah®  Umm-mm!
Italian delis as well.

Whenever we got to eat what people ate in the suburbs (as advertised on TV),
we thought it was nasty!

When I went to Oberlin College in the '70's I had my first Pizza Hut pizza
and my LAST!  It was incredible to me that people actually thought THAT
could pass as pizza.

Even potato chips! I NEVER ate Lays® or Ruffles® until I went to college.
There were and are still are SO many varieties of local potato chips here
that I assumed everyone had access to them.  NOT!!.

So, I guess mom-and-pop was what I knew best.  In fact, I STILL look for
those sort of establishments. (They are still here) Kindly do not belittle
them.

I do understand that many Penn student's experiences in their home areas of
the country are not the same as mine, so there is room in the market for the
non-home food to which they are accustomed.

Regards,

Wilma

On 4/19/05 3:39 PM, "Dan Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I understand the importance of eating at local mom and pop stores, and I
> frequent them often. But I actually agree that U of P should have some "fast
> food" chains that international and national students are accustomed to.
> Places like KFC, and Taco Bell may attract the wrong kind of people Penn
> wants in their neighborhood, but they are all relatively inexpensive for a
> quick meal. Also, you know what you are expecting.
> 
> As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's and
> Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He was
> having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses around.
> Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle
> income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what you'll do
> with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification will be here at
> last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs to be a equal amount
> (or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of restaurants. And the fact
> is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger King, Wendy's, White Castle,
> Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, Denny's, Arby's, Chik-Filet, Pizza Hut,
> or other common fast food place you can normally find anywhere else but in
> the immediate University City District. So I actually support some other
> options that students can go to.
> 
> I am sure to get some emails regarding my opinion. But I am allowed to voice
> it even if it doesn't match yours.
> 
> Dan Myers
> 215.901.0899
> Certified Massage Practitioner
> ---
> "Healing is related to our capacity to experience and embrace
> life as it is. Often this means accepting the unacceptable,
> making peace with disintegration, and loving whatever we face."
> -Rachel Harris, MD
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mark Krull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ben"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary
> 
> 
>> Who cares about "the element"?  If anyone would care, it would be the
>> university, and clearly they don't have a problem with the idea of
>> attracting "the element."  I'm totally grossed out by the idea of those
>> food choices going into the Moravian, and it's not out of snobbery --
>> KFC and Taco Bell food make me actually nauseous.  But more importantly,
>> THEY ARE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU "(especially the KFC) and the university
>> should realize that students with little time and money will go there as
>> the path of least resistance.  The leadership owes it to their own
>> student body to provide healthier options, I mean, it's like setting up
>> a liquor store next

Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Richard Moreau

Qdoba?
- Richard
On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:27 AM, John Ellingsworth wrote:
blocks of it - the newer one at 40th & Locust, name escapes me at the  
moment, and
Mexicali.  Now closed:
http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/42635dc745dd3? 
in_archive=1

--
Thanks,
John Ellingsworth
2005-04-19

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2005-04-19 Thread Shaera




Taco Bell stopped putting lard in their beans?  When did they do 
that?  Doesn't matter, I think Taco Bell stinks (just my opinion).
 
Personally, when I want mexican-style food, I just wait until I'm in town 
and go to Taco House.  The best!  Funky decor, but great, well priced, 
something for everyone from vegan to full carnivore.   And it's 
fresh.  
 
And in general, I'd rather patronize a small non-chain place to eat.  
They need the support alot more than the big corporate places.
 
I just don't see the logic given all the media attention to the sorry state 
of the American diet and the huge obesity problem of having not 1 but 3 
different fast food places in one setting.  I think we will be seeing the 
"freshman 15" turn into the freshman 30!
 
I guess only the "big guys" could actually afford what Penn wants for 
leasing space.  Friends of ours were very interested in opening a 
restaurant on 40th Street.  When they found out how much it would cost, 
they said thanks, but no thanks -- and these are people who've been involved 
with a family-run restaurant for years, they are not neophytes to the whole 
setting up a new place. 
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 fwiw, taco bell is the only vegan friendly fast food place.


i am distressed that they didn't put an upscale tea shop there. or, better yet, a wine store.


kc


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Sent: 4/19/2005 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary


Ok, you're right, Taco Bell is probably food.  


But I don't think we should "let them eat plastic."  That's not very
progressive.





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Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread KAREN ALLEN

Take it easy!  Taco Bell stock isn't going to tank!
Karen Allen
From: "Dan Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Dan Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:14:43 -0400
I object to you calling taco Bell not food

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2005-04-19 Thread Dubin, Elisabeth

Oh, oh.  You're absolutely right.  Almost all of it is not food.  None
of it's food at all!  We're all going to die!   


ELISABETH DUBIN
Hillier ARCHITECTURE
One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F
215 636-9989 | hillier.com

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Defendorf
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:35 PM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
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While I bemoan the loss of the cheesestake place and the salad place
from the Moravian Cafe, you can't tell me that just because they were
not chains, that the food was any less bad for you to eat than the food
at a Taco Bell or KFC.

It's all about the (food) choices you make.

My question is: how do they think they can fit both a CVS *and* several
food places in that area?  It ain't all that big!

gail

Dubin, Elisabeth wrote:

>Of course you are allowed to voice your opinion.  But we have an 
>obesity issue these days, not to mention hypertension and high
cholesterol.
>Sorry, but since some people out there don't know that this crap is 
>hardly food at all (given how unhealthy it is) I think the more of 
>these places there are the more the trickery continues.  It's not
FOOD!!!
>Just because it's in a restaurant doesn't mean it's food.  (It's
people.
>Hah hah.)
> 
>
>
>ELISABETH DUBIN
>Hillier ARCHITECTURE
>One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F
>215 636-9989 | hillier.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers
>Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:39 PM
>To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
>Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
>
>I understand the importance of eating at local mom and pop stores, and 
>I frequent them often. But I actually agree that U of P should have 
>some "fast food" chains that international and national students are 
>accustomed to.
>Places like KFC, and Taco Bell may attract the wrong kind of people 
>Penn wants in their neighborhood, but they are all relatively 
>inexpensive for a quick meal. Also, you know what you are expecting.
>
>As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's

>and Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He 
>was having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses 
>around.
>Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle

>income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what 
>you'll do with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification 
>will be here at last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs 
>to be a equal amount (or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of

>restaurants. And the fact is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger 
>King, Wendy's, White Castle, Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, 
>Denny's, Arby's, Chik-Filet, Pizza Hut, or other common fast food place

>you can normally find anywhere else but in the immediate University 
>City District. So I actually support some other options that students 
>can go to.
>
>I am sure to get some emails regarding my opinion. But I am allowed to 
>voice it even if it doesn't match yours.
>
>Dan Myers
>215.901.0899
>Certified Massage Practitioner
>---
>"Healing is related to our capacity to experience and embrace life as 
>it is. Often this means accepting the unacceptable, making peace with 
>disintegration, and loving whatever we face."
>-Rachel Harris, MD
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Mark Krull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ben" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 AM
>Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary
>
>
>  
>
>>Who cares about "the element"?  If anyone would care, it would be the 
>>university, and clearly they don't have a problem with the idea of 
>>attracting "the element."  I'm totally grossed out by the idea of
>>
>>
>those
>  
>
>>food choices going into the Moravian, and it's not out of snobbery -- 
>>KFC and Taco Bell food make me actually nauseous.  But more
>>
>>
>importantly,
>  
>
>>THEY ARE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU "(especially the KFC) and the university 
>>should realize that students with little time and money will go there
>>
>>
>as
>  
>
>>the path of least resistance.  The leadership owes it to their own 
>>student body to provide healthier options, I mean, it's lik

Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Gail Defendorf

While I bemoan the loss of the cheesestake place and the salad place 
from the Moravian Cafe, you can't tell me that just because they were 
not chains, that the food was any less bad for you to eat than the food 
at a Taco Bell or KFC.

It's all about the (food) choices you make.
My question is: how do they think they can fit both a CVS *and* several 
food places in that area?  It ain't all that big!

gail
Dubin, Elisabeth wrote:
Of course you are allowed to voice your opinion.  But we have an obesity
issue these days, not to mention hypertension and high cholesterol.
Sorry, but since some people out there don't know that this crap is
hardly food at all (given how unhealthy it is) I think the more of these
places there are the more the trickery continues.  It's not FOOD!!!
Just because it's in a restaurant doesn't mean it's food.  (It's people.
Hah hah.)

ELISABETH DUBIN
Hillier ARCHITECTURE
One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F
215 636-9989 | hillier.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:39 PM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
I understand the importance of eating at local mom and pop stores, and I
frequent them often. But I actually agree that U of P should have some
"fast food" chains that international and national students are
accustomed to. 
Places like KFC, and Taco Bell may attract the wrong kind of people Penn
wants in their neighborhood, but they are all relatively inexpensive for
a quick meal. Also, you know what you are expecting.

As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's
and Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He
was having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses
around. 
Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle
income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what
you'll do with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification
will be here at last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs
to be a equal amount (or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of
restaurants. And the fact is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger
King, Wendy's, White Castle, Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, Denny's,
Arby's, Chik-Filet, Pizza Hut, or other common fast food place you can
normally find anywhere else but in the immediate University City
District. So I actually support some other options that students can go
to.

I am sure to get some emails regarding my opinion. But I am allowed to
voice it even if it doesn't match yours.
Dan Myers
215.901.0899
Certified Massage Practitioner
---
"Healing is related to our capacity to experience and embrace life as it
is. Often this means accepting the unacceptable, making peace with
disintegration, and loving whatever we face."
-Rachel Harris, MD
- Original Message -
From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mark Krull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ben" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary

 

Who cares about "the element"?  If anyone would care, it would be the
university, and clearly they don't have a problem with the idea of
attracting "the element."  I'm totally grossed out by the idea of
   

those
 

food choices going into the Moravian, and it's not out of snobbery --
KFC and Taco Bell food make me actually nauseous.  But more
   

importantly,
 

THEY ARE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU "(especially the KFC) and the university
should realize that students with little time and money will go there
   

as
 

the path of least resistance.  The leadership owes it to their own
student body to provide healthier options, I mean, it's like setting
   

up
 

a liquor store next to an AA clinic.  Jeez.  I can't get over it.  You
would also think the university would try to de-franchise their image
   

-
 

I mean, what do they have on Walnut now?  A GAP, an Ann Taylor Loft, a
Barnes-and-Noble-student-bookstore, a COSI... The only non-franchised
stuff there is the White Dog and Avril 50.  Am I wrong in thinking
   

that
 

a college town should have, god forbid, character?  I'm going to cut
   

and
 

paste this mini-tirade and send it to the DP.
P.S. Let the record show that I agree with Al (!).
ELISABETH DUBIN
Hillier ARCHITECTURE
One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- |
   

F
 

215 636-9989 | hillier.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Krull
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:09 AM
To: Ben; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
It might be that

Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Jim Cummings

Calling Penn progrssive would be as great a misnomer as calling McDonald's food
Jim

On 4/19/05, Dubin, Elisabeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, you're right, Taco Bell is probably food.
> 
> But I don't think we should "let them eat plastic."  That's not very
> progressive.
> 
> 
> ELISABETH DUBIN
> Hillier ARCHITECTURE
> One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F
> 215 636-9989 | hillier.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:15 PM
> To: Dubin, Elisabeth; UnivCity@list.purple.com
> Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
> 
> I object to you calling taco Bell not food. It is more healthy than most
> fast food chains. They use real tomatoes, lettuce (although not at
> tasty), corn tortillas, and real beans. I don't think there is anything
> really edible in a McDonalds milkshake or burger either, but students
> like putting this stuff in their mouths. It might be a healthy way for
> the long term residents to support local restaurants and the
> not-so-local residents to support corporate America. And since there are
> lines at all of the mentioned Mexican places it seems like Taco Bell
> would serve those people who don't have taste buds. There are many
> students who just don't care-- let them eat the cake (or in this
> instance, plastic).
> 
> Dan
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Dan Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:03 PM
> Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary
> 
> Of course you are allowed to voice your opinion.  But we have an obesity
> issue these days, not to mention hypertension and high cholesterol.
> Sorry, but since some people out there don't know that this crap is
> hardly food at all (given how unhealthy it is) I think the more of these
> places there are the more the trickery continues.  It's not FOOD!!!
> Just because it's in a restaurant doesn't mean it's food.  (It's people.
> Hah hah.)
> 
> ELISABETH DUBIN
> Hillier ARCHITECTURE
> One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F
> 215 636-9989 | hillier.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:39 PM
> To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
> Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
> 
> I understand the importance of eating at local mom and pop stores, and I
> frequent them often. But I actually agree that U of P should have some
> "fast food" chains that international and national students are
> accustomed to.
> Places like KFC, and Taco Bell may attract the wrong kind of people Penn
> wants in their neighborhood, but they are all relatively inexpensive for
> a quick meal. Also, you know what you are expecting.
> 
> As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's
> and Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He
> was having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses
> around.
> Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle
> income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what
> you'll do with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification
> will be here at last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs
> to be a equal amount (or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of
> restaurants. And the fact is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger
> King, Wendy's, White Castle, Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, Denny's,
> Arby's, Chik-Filet, Pizza Hut, or other common fast food place you can
> normally find anywhere else but in the immediate University City
> District. So I actually support some other options that students can go
> to.
> 
> I am sure to get some emails regarding my opinion. But I am allowed to
> voice it even if it doesn't match yours.
> 
> Dan Myers
> 215.901.0899
> Certified Massage Practitioner
> ---------------
> "Healing is related to our capacity to experience and embrace life as it
> is. Often this means accepting the unacceptable, making peace with
> disintegration, and loving whatever we face."
> -Rachel Harris, MD
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mark Krull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ben"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary
> 
> > Who cares about &

RE: merits of taco bell (was: RE: [UC] Sad commentary)

2005-04-19 Thread Dubin, Elisabeth

Title: merits of taco bell (was: RE: [UC] Sad commentary)



I 
knew vegetarians ate at the Bell, but Vegans?  It's VEGAN??!?  

 
 ELISABETH 
DUBINHillier 
ARCHITECTUREOne 
South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989 
| hillier.com 
 


From: Kyle Cassidy 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:31 
PMTo: Dubin, Elisabeth; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '; 'Dan Myers 
'; 'UnivCity@list.purple.com 'Subject: merits of taco bell (was: RE: 
[UC] Sad commentary)

 fwiw, taco bell is the only vegan friendly fast food 
place. 
i am distressed that they didn't put an upscale tea shop there. 
or, better yet, a wine store. 
kc 
-Original Message- From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Myers; 
UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: 4/19/2005 4:23 PM 
Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary 
Ok, you're right, Taco Bell is probably food.  
But I don't think we should "let them eat plastic."  That's 
not very progressive.

Re: merits of taco bell (was: RE: [UC] Sad commentary)

2005-04-19 Thread Jim Cummings

I agree, I will go ther for the .99 bean burrito.

On 4/19/05, Kyle Cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> 
>  fwiw, taco bell is the only vegan friendly fast food place. 
> 
> i am distressed that they didn't put an upscale tea shop there. or, better
> yet, a wine store. 
> 
> kc 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> To: Dan Myers; UnivCity@list.purple.com 
> Sent: 4/19/2005 4:23 PM 
> Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary 
> 
> Ok, you're right, Taco Bell is probably food.  
> 
> But I don't think we should "let them eat plastic."  That's not very 
> progressive. 
>  


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2005-04-19 Thread Ben Rhoades

At 03:39 PM 4/19/2005, Dan Myers wrote:
As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's 
and Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He was 
having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses around. 
Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle 
income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what you'll 
do with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification will be here 
at last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs to be a equal 
amount (or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of restaurants. And 
the fact is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger King, Wendy's, White 
Castle, Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, Denny's, Arby's, Chik-Filet, 
Pizza Hut, or other common fast food place you can normally find anywhere 
else but in the immediate University City District. So I actually support 
some other options that students can go to.
Sort of depends on your definition of University City District as there are 
2 McDonalds as well as 2 Subways.  However, I agree with you that there is 
not enough choices of them in the area.  While I do visit local places, 
there are times when I just have a craving for KFC or Taco Bell.  It's 
nothing against other places, just a craving.  Currently I have to drive 
pretty far to get to them so it will be a nice change to have them in the area.

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merits of taco bell (was: RE: [UC] Sad commentary)

2005-04-19 Thread Kyle Cassidy

Title: merits of taco bell (was: RE: [UC] Sad commentary)





 fwiw, taco bell is the only vegan friendly fast food place.


i am distressed that they didn't put an upscale tea shop there. or, better yet, a wine store.


kc


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dan Myers; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Sent: 4/19/2005 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary


Ok, you're right, Taco Bell is probably food.  


But I don't think we should "let them eat plastic."  That's not very
progressive.

RE: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Dubin, Elisabeth

Ok, you're right, Taco Bell is probably food.  

But I don't think we should "let them eat plastic."  That's not very
progressive.



ELISABETH DUBIN
Hillier ARCHITECTURE
One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F
215 636-9989 | hillier.com

-Original Message-
From: Dan Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:15 PM
To: Dubin, Elisabeth; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary

I object to you calling taco Bell not food. It is more healthy than most
fast food chains. They use real tomatoes, lettuce (although not at
tasty), corn tortillas, and real beans. I don't think there is anything
really edible in a McDonalds milkshake or burger either, but students
like putting this stuff in their mouths. It might be a healthy way for
the long term residents to support local restaurants and the
not-so-local residents to support corporate America. And since there are
lines at all of the mentioned Mexican places it seems like Taco Bell
would serve those people who don't have taste buds. There are many
students who just don't care-- let them eat the cake (or in this
instance, plastic).

Dan
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From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dan Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary


Of course you are allowed to voice your opinion.  But we have an obesity
issue these days, not to mention hypertension and high cholesterol.
Sorry, but since some people out there don't know that this crap is
hardly food at all (given how unhealthy it is) I think the more of these
places there are the more the trickery continues.  It's not FOOD!!!
Just because it's in a restaurant doesn't mean it's food.  (It's people.
Hah hah.)



ELISABETH DUBIN
Hillier ARCHITECTURE
One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F
215 636-9989 | hillier.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:39 PM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary

I understand the importance of eating at local mom and pop stores, and I
frequent them often. But I actually agree that U of P should have some
"fast food" chains that international and national students are
accustomed to.
Places like KFC, and Taco Bell may attract the wrong kind of people Penn
wants in their neighborhood, but they are all relatively inexpensive for
a quick meal. Also, you know what you are expecting.

As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's
and Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He
was having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses
around.
Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle
income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what
you'll do with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification
will be here at last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs
to be a equal amount (or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of
restaurants. And the fact is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger
King, Wendy's, White Castle, Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, Denny's,
Arby's, Chik-Filet, Pizza Hut, or other common fast food place you can
normally find anywhere else but in the immediate University City
District. So I actually support some other options that students can go
to.

I am sure to get some emails regarding my opinion. But I am allowed to
voice it even if it doesn't match yours.

Dan Myers
215.901.0899
Certified Massage Practitioner
---
"Healing is related to our capacity to experience and embrace life as it
is. Often this means accepting the unacceptable, making peace with
disintegration, and loving whatever we face."
-Rachel Harris, MD


- Original Message -----
From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mark Krull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ben"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary


> Who cares about "the element"?  If anyone would care, it would be the
> university, and clearly they don't have a problem with the idea of
> attracting "the element."  I'm totally grossed out by the idea of
those
> food choices going into the Moravian, and it's not out of snobbery --
> KFC and Taco Bell food make me actually nauseous.  But more
importantly,
> THEY ARE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU "(especially the KFC) and the university
> should realize that students with little time and money will go there
as
> the path of least resistance.  The leadership owes it to their own
> student body to pr

Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Dan Myers

I object to you calling taco Bell not food. It is more healthy than most 
fast food chains. They use real tomatoes, lettuce (although not at tasty), 
corn tortillas, and real beans. I don't think there is anything really 
edible in a McDonalds milkshake or burger either, but students like putting 
this stuff in their mouths. It might be a healthy way for the long term 
residents to support local restaurants and the not-so-local residents to 
support corporate America. And since there are lines at all of the mentioned 
Mexican places it seems like Taco Bell would serve those people who don't 
have taste buds. There are many students who just don't care-- let them eat 
the cake (or in this instance, plastic).

Dan
- Original Message - 
From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dan Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary

Of course you are allowed to voice your opinion.  But we have an obesity
issue these days, not to mention hypertension and high cholesterol.
Sorry, but since some people out there don't know that this crap is
hardly food at all (given how unhealthy it is) I think the more of these
places there are the more the trickery continues.  It's not FOOD!!!
Just because it's in a restaurant doesn't mean it's food.  (It's people.
Hah hah.)

ELISABETH DUBIN
Hillier ARCHITECTURE
One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F
215 636-9989 | hillier.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:39 PM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
I understand the importance of eating at local mom and pop stores, and I
frequent them often. But I actually agree that U of P should have some
"fast food" chains that international and national students are
accustomed to.
Places like KFC, and Taco Bell may attract the wrong kind of people Penn
wants in their neighborhood, but they are all relatively inexpensive for
a quick meal. Also, you know what you are expecting.
As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's
and Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He
was having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses
around.
Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle
income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what
you'll do with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification
will be here at last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs
to be a equal amount (or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of
restaurants. And the fact is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger
King, Wendy's, White Castle, Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, Denny's,
Arby's, Chik-Filet, Pizza Hut, or other common fast food place you can
normally find anywhere else but in the immediate University City
District. So I actually support some other options that students can go
to.
I am sure to get some emails regarding my opinion. But I am allowed to
voice it even if it doesn't match yours.
Dan Myers
215.901.0899
Certified Massage Practitioner
---
"Healing is related to our capacity to experience and embrace life as it
is. Often this means accepting the unacceptable, making peace with
disintegration, and loving whatever we face."
-Rachel Harris, MD
- Original Message -
From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mark Krull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ben"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary

Who cares about "the element"?  If anyone would care, it would be the
university, and clearly they don't have a problem with the idea of
attracting "the element."  I'm totally grossed out by the idea of
those
food choices going into the Moravian, and it's not out of snobbery --
KFC and Taco Bell food make me actually nauseous.  But more
importantly,
THEY ARE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU "(especially the KFC) and the university
should realize that students with little time and money will go there
as
the path of least resistance.  The leadership owes it to their own
student body to provide healthier options, I mean, it's like setting
up
a liquor store next to an AA clinic.  Jeez.  I can't get over it.  You
would also think the university would try to de-franchise their image
-
I mean, what do they have on Walnut now?  A GAP, an Ann Taylor Loft, a
Barnes-and-Noble-student-bookstore, a COSI... The only non-franchised
stuff there is the White Dog and Avril 50.  Am I wrong in thinking
that
a college town should have, god forbid, character?  I'm going to cut
and
paste this mini-tirade and

RE: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Dubin, Elisabeth

Of course you are allowed to voice your opinion.  But we have an obesity
issue these days, not to mention hypertension and high cholesterol.
Sorry, but since some people out there don't know that this crap is
hardly food at all (given how unhealthy it is) I think the more of these
places there are the more the trickery continues.  It's not FOOD!!!
Just because it's in a restaurant doesn't mean it's food.  (It's people.
Hah hah.)

ELISABETH DUBIN
Hillier ARCHITECTURE
One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F
215 636-9989 | hillier.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Myers
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:39 PM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary

I understand the importance of eating at local mom and pop stores, and I
frequent them often. But I actually agree that U of P should have some
"fast food" chains that international and national students are
accustomed to. 
Places like KFC, and Taco Bell may attract the wrong kind of people Penn
wants in their neighborhood, but they are all relatively inexpensive for
a quick meal. Also, you know what you are expecting.

As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's
and Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He
was having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses
around. 
Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle
income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what
you'll do with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification
will be here at last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs
to be a equal amount (or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of
restaurants. And the fact is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger
King, Wendy's, White Castle, Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, Denny's,
Arby's, Chik-Filet, Pizza Hut, or other common fast food place you can
normally find anywhere else but in the immediate University City
District. So I actually support some other options that students can go
to.

I am sure to get some emails regarding my opinion. But I am allowed to
voice it even if it doesn't match yours.

Dan Myers
215.901.0899
Certified Massage Practitioner
---
"Healing is related to our capacity to experience and embrace life as it
is. Often this means accepting the unacceptable, making peace with
disintegration, and loving whatever we face."
-Rachel Harris, MD

- Original Message -
From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mark Krull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ben" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary

> Who cares about "the element"?  If anyone would care, it would be the
> university, and clearly they don't have a problem with the idea of
> attracting "the element."  I'm totally grossed out by the idea of
those
> food choices going into the Moravian, and it's not out of snobbery --
> KFC and Taco Bell food make me actually nauseous.  But more
importantly,
> THEY ARE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU "(especially the KFC) and the university
> should realize that students with little time and money will go there
as
> the path of least resistance.  The leadership owes it to their own
> student body to provide healthier options, I mean, it's like setting
up
> a liquor store next to an AA clinic.  Jeez.  I can't get over it.  You
> would also think the university would try to de-franchise their image
-
> I mean, what do they have on Walnut now?  A GAP, an Ann Taylor Loft, a
> Barnes-and-Noble-student-bookstore, a COSI... The only non-franchised
> stuff there is the White Dog and Avril 50.  Am I wrong in thinking
that
> a college town should have, god forbid, character?  I'm going to cut
and
> paste this mini-tirade and send it to the DP.
>
> P.S. Let the record show that I agree with Al (!).
>
>
> ELISABETH DUBIN
> Hillier ARCHITECTURE
> One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- |
F
> 215 636-9989 | hillier.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Krull
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:09 AM
> To: Ben; UnivCity@list.purple.com
> Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
>
> It might be that they are not as upscale and might invite the
"element"
> Thats my guess
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Apr 19, 2005 8:59 AM
> To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
> Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
>
> At 08:01 AM 4/19/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Today's DP h

Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Dan Myers

I understand the importance of eating at local mom and pop stores, and I 
frequent them often. But I actually agree that U of P should have some "fast 
food" chains that international and national students are accustomed to. 
Places like KFC, and Taco Bell may attract the wrong kind of people Penn 
wants in their neighborhood, but they are all relatively inexpensive for a 
quick meal. Also, you know what you are expecting.

As a side note, I have been asking my Uncle (who owns most of the KFC's and 
Taco Bells you are referring to) to put one in University city. He was 
having a hard time with Penn wanting only family-based businesses around. 
Well, there's a problem with that. Once you force all the low to middle 
income families out of the Penn area (because that is exactly what you'll do 
with only snobby over priced restaurants), Penntrification will be here at 
last! But to the opposite extreme. I think there needs to be a equal amount 
(or at least proportionate amount) of all kinds of restaurants. And the fact 
is, there is not one KFC, Taco Bell, Burger King, Wendy's, White Castle, 
Arthur treacher's, Bob's Big Boys, Denny's, Arby's, Chik-Filet, Pizza Hut, 
or other common fast food place you can normally find anywhere else but in 
the immediate University City District. So I actually support some other 
options that students can go to.

I am sure to get some emails regarding my opinion. But I am allowed to voice 
it even if it doesn't match yours.

Dan Myers
215.901.0899
Certified Massage Practitioner
---
"Healing is related to our capacity to experience and embrace
life as it is. Often this means accepting the unacceptable,
making peace with disintegration, and loving whatever we face."
-Rachel Harris, MD
- Original Message - 
From: "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mark Krull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ben" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: [UC] Sad commentary


Who cares about "the element"?  If anyone would care, it would be the
university, and clearly they don't have a problem with the idea of
attracting "the element."  I'm totally grossed out by the idea of those
food choices going into the Moravian, and it's not out of snobbery --
KFC and Taco Bell food make me actually nauseous.  But more importantly,
THEY ARE TOTALLY BAD FOR YOU "(especially the KFC) and the university
should realize that students with little time and money will go there as
the path of least resistance.  The leadership owes it to their own
student body to provide healthier options, I mean, it's like setting up
a liquor store next to an AA clinic.  Jeez.  I can't get over it.  You
would also think the university would try to de-franchise their image -
I mean, what do they have on Walnut now?  A GAP, an Ann Taylor Loft, a
Barnes-and-Noble-student-bookstore, a COSI... The only non-franchised
stuff there is the White Dog and Avril 50.  Am I wrong in thinking that
a college town should have, god forbid, character?  I'm going to cut and
paste this mini-tirade and send it to the DP.
P.S. Let the record show that I agree with Al (!).
ELISABETH DUBIN
Hillier ARCHITECTURE
One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F
215 636-9989 | hillier.com
-Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Krull
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:09 AM
To: Ben; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
It might be that they are not as upscale and might invite the "element"
Thats my guess
-Original Message-
From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Apr 19, 2005 8:59 AM
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Sad commentary
At 08:01 AM 4/19/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Today's DP has an article about what's going into the commercial space
at 34th & Walnut to replace the Moravian cafe etc. IM(not so)HO, it's
either a sad commentary on the penn Administration for thinking this is

the way to serve the University and surrounding Communites, or a sad
commentary on the University and surrounding communities for this being

what they actually want.
I must be sad because I'm happy about the choices of what is moving in.
While I've never been to Quiznos, I'm happy to see some of the fast food
I enjoy eating being in the area.  The KFC at 45th and market is scary
and the one on Broad & whatever isn't the best.  I frequent the T-Bell
on City line which is nice but I'm happy not to have to drive that far
when I'm craving these places.  While these aren't places I say I go to
often, it's nice to have them close.
What is the issue you have with them?
-Ben

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Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Wilma de Soto

In my opinion, what's wanted around here is a real Mexican restaurant on the
order of something like La Lupe at 9th & Federal.

That would be great!


On 4/19/05 11:09 AM, "Kirk Wattles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> MexiCali was/will be at 40th and Sansom.  The one at 40th and Locust is
> another one, name is Qdoba (sp?).  With Mad for Mex, that's three other
> Mexican establishments in the area, two of them totally local, that may
> be impacted by the Taco Bell.  Plus the two MexiCali trucks (which are
> great, good value for money, and very popular -- lines of 20-30 people
> at lunchtime).
> 
> Are there other Mexican food trucks?  Is the Mexican restaurant at 36th
> and Lancaster still up there?
> 
> Of course, it does raise the question of whether Taco Bell can survive
> with so much other competition.  So if KFC/TacoBell goes down, how
> about a friendly old-fashioned drugstore/5&dime with diner-type food in
> that location?
> 
> On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:27 AM, John Ellingsworth wrote:
> 
>>> blocks of it - the newer one at 40th & Locust, name escapes me at the
>>> moment, and
>> 
>> Mexicali.  Now closed:
>> http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/42635dc745dd3?
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RE: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Jayfar

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Jayfar wrote:

> I have to add that calling Taco Bell a Mexican restaurant is a bit of a 
> stretch.

>> At this time, there are over 280 restaurants operating in Canada, Guam,
>> Aruba, Dominican Republic, Chile, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Puerto Rico,
>> Ecuador, Hawaii, Asia and Europe.

None in Mexico? %-)

> RAW MATERIALS: Taco Bell is the largest restaurant consumer of whole
> Iceberg lettuce in the U.S.

But no doubt much of the annual 107 megapounds of iceberg lettuce is
harvested by Mexican farm laborers.

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Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Ben

At 11:09 AM 4/19/2005, Kirk Wattles wrote:
Are there other Mexican food trucks?  Is the Mexican restaurant at 36th
and Lancaster still up there?
There was one at Franklin Field for a while and another in front of DRL I 
believe.  Also Zocolo on 36th and Lancaster is still up there.

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RE: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Jayfar

What some of you may not know is that KFC and Taco Bell (and Pizza Hut)  
are the same company. At one point all three were owned by Pepsico (Pepsi 
Cola), which then spun them off. I don't know whether Pepsico still holds 
a stake (odds are they do).

I have to add that calling Taco Bell a Mexican restaurant is a bit of a 
stretch.

http://www.tacobell.com/ourcompany/facts.htm

TACO BELL: Taco Bell Corp., a subsidiary of Yum!  Brands, Inc., (NYSE:
YUM), is the nation?s leading Mexican-style quick service restaurant chain
serving tacos, burritos, signature Quesadillas, Border Bowls®, nachos and
other specialty items. Taco Bell serves more than 35 million consumers
each week in more than 6,500 restaurants in the U.S. In 2003, Taco Bell
generated sales of $1.6 billion in company restaurants and $3.8 billion in
franchise restaurants.  Over 80 percent of the restaurants are owned and
operated by independent franchisees. At this time, there are over 280
restaurants operating in Canada, Guam, Aruba, Dominican Republic, Chile,
Costa Rica, Guatemala, Puerto Rico, Ecuador, Hawaii, Asia and Europe.

BRAND POSITION:  When you want to step up to the freshest ideas in fast
food, make the bold choice for Taco Bell.

ORGANIZATION:  The Taco Bell corporate headquarters is located in Irvine,
California. In addition, field offices are located throughout the country
to serve both company and franchise restaurants.

HISTORY:  Originated by Glen Bell, Taco Bell became a reality on March 21,
1962. The first Taco Bell restaurant was built in Downey, California and
the first franchise was sold in 1964. Taco Bell went public in 1969 and
was acquired by PepsiCo in 1978.  In October of 1997, PepsiCo spun-off
KFC, Pizza Hut and Taco Bell thereby forming Tricon Global Restaurants
Inc., the World?s largest restaurant company with revenues in excess of
$22 billion. In May of 2002, Tricon Global Restaurants Inc. changed its
name to YUM! Brands, Inc., after acquiring Long John Silver's and A&W
All-American Food Restaurants. Additional History

SYSTEM-WIDE GROWTH: At the end of 2003, Taco Bell system sales reached
$1.6 billion in company and $3.8 billion in franchise sales.

EMPLOYMENT:  Taco Bell employs over 166,000 people in company-operated and
franchised units, and corporate offices across the United States.

MARKETING STATISTICS: On the average, 147 million people see a Taco Bell
commercial once a week ? more than half of the U.S. population. Over 4.4
million tacos of all varieties are served in Taco Bell restaurants each
day.

RAW MATERIALS: Taco Bell is the largest restaurant consumer of whole
Iceberg lettuce in the U.S. and in an average year, franchise and company
restaurants consume:

-- 3.2 billion corn and flour tortillas
-- 107 million pounds of fresh lettuce
-- 60 million pounds of pinto beans
-- 260 million pounds of ground beef

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Re: mexicali (was: RE: [UC] Sad commentary)

2005-04-19 Thread John Ellingsworth

Mexicali has a truck on the north side of Spruce between 36th & 37th. 
Best burritos for your buck.  Tasty, too. Sometimes the line stretches for 
a block.

Today Jessica Moore wrote:
Is Mexicali owned by the same people who ran the Mexican lunch truck on 
Spruce around '97/'98?  Just curious.  The food seemed the same.

Kyle Cassidy wrote:
 i'd accidentally "discovered" mexicali on my way to tandoor one afternoon 
and stopped in. i found their burritoes far superior to mad 4 mex and 
qudoba. their atmosphere left an awful lot to be desired, but it quickly 
became my favorite lunch spot. i was as perturbed as scrunch the cat when i 
saw the "closed for summer" sign.

as for mexican trucks, i really prefer Taco Pal's potato burrito. but i 
like to sit down for lunch. i do. really.

kc
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> blocks of it - the newer one at 40th & Locust, name escapes me at the
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2005-04-19 Thread Jessica Moore





Is Mexicali owned by the same people who ran the Mexican lunch truck on
Spruce around '97/'98?  Just curious.  The food seemed the same. 

Kyle Cassidy wrote:

  
  
  mexicali (was: RE: [UC] Sad commentary)
   i'd accidentally "discovered" mexicali on my way
to tandoor one afternoon and stopped in. i found their burritoes far
superior to mad 4 mex and qudoba. their atmosphere left an awful lot to
be desired, but it quickly became my favorite lunch spot. i was as
perturbed as scrunch the cat when i saw the "closed for summer" sign.
  as for mexican trucks, i really prefer Taco Pal's
potato burrito. but i like to sit down for lunch. i do. really.
  
  kc
  
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Re: mexicali (was: RE: [UC] Sad commentary)

2005-04-19 Thread MLamond

I didn't mean to leave out the other Mexican choices in the neighborhood; I only meant to mention that Penn ITSELF already has two Mexican places as tenants - why do they make their tenants compete with their other tenants?   Penn is the landlord for Qudoba, as Kyle reminds me of its name, at 40th & Locust, and Mad 4 Mex on Walnut St.   

Kyle has just reminded us of Mexicali (but I've never managed to find that one open!) and food trucks.   There is also Zocalo on Lancaster Ave.

Melani Lamond

Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Kirk Wattles

MexiCali was/will be at 40th and Sansom.  The one at 40th and Locust is  
another one, name is Qdoba (sp?).  With Mad for Mex, that's three other  
Mexican establishments in the area, two of them totally local, that may  
be impacted by the Taco Bell.  Plus the two MexiCali trucks (which are  
great, good value for money, and very popular -- lines of 20-30 people  
at lunchtime).

Are there other Mexican food trucks?  Is the Mexican restaurant at 36th  
and Lancaster still up there?

Of course, it does raise the question of whether Taco Bell can survive  
with so much other competition.  So if KFC/TacoBell goes down, how  
about a friendly old-fashioned drugstore/5&dime with diner-type food in  
that location?

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blocks of it - the newer one at 40th & Locust, name escapes me at the  
moment, and
Mexicali.  Now closed:
http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/42635dc745dd3? 
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mexicali (was: RE: [UC] Sad commentary)

2005-04-19 Thread Kyle Cassidy

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 i'd accidentally "discovered" mexicali on my way to tandoor one afternoon and stopped in. i found their burritoes far superior to mad 4 mex and qudoba. their atmosphere left an awful lot to be desired, but it quickly became my favorite lunch spot. i was as perturbed as scrunch the cat when i saw the "closed for summer" sign.

as for mexican trucks, i really prefer Taco Pal's potato burrito. but i like to sit down for lunch. i do. really.


kc


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Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread John Ellingsworth

blocks of it - the newer one at 40th & Locust, name escapes me at the moment, and
Mexicali.  Now closed:
http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/42635dc745dd3?in_archive=1
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Re: [UC] Sad commentary

2005-04-19 Thread Naomi