Where do I find the current release # at runrev?

2013-06-27 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello,

 

I wonder where I can look for, which is the current release # for the
commercial LC version. I didn't find a clear info at runrev.

When logging on to the LiveCode shop and looking into MyProducts I am
offered version 6.0.2 but I am not sure if it is a dp or a release? Or are
only releases shown in the shop and that's always the newest version for
download?

 

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 

 

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Re: Where do I find the current release # at runrev?

2013-06-27 Thread Jan Schenkel
Hi Tiemo,

Only the GM versions are listed in your LiveCode store account.
LiveCode 6.0.2 is the latest finished version of the commercial edition.
LiveCode 6.1 is currently in the release candidate phase.


HTH,

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- Original Message -
 From: Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.de
 To: 'How to use LiveCode' use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Cc: 
 Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:09 AM
 Subject: Where do I find the current release # at runrev?
 
 Hello,
 
 
 
 I wonder where I can look for, which is the current release # for the
 commercial LC version. I didn't find a clear info at runrev.
 
 When logging on to the LiveCode shop and looking into MyProducts I am
 offered version 6.0.2 but I am not sure if it is a dp or a release? Or are
 only releases shown in the shop and that's always the newest version for
 download?
 
 
 
 Thanks
 
 Tiemo
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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revsecurity.dll appearing for (nearly) no reason

2013-06-27 Thread Pascal Lehner
Hi everyone,

I just found out that when buidling for Windows, revsecurity.dll is
automatically included as well to support https. However, my stack does not
use https at all except for one link in the comments!

Now I wanted to ask you how you usually handle such things - should I file
that as a bug/enhancement or just accept it as a feature?

Cheers,

Pascal
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Re: revsecurity.dll appearing for (nearly) no reason

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Pascal,

Do you search for inclusions automatically? Do it manually and you 
should be fine.


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On 6/27/2013 12:41, Pascal Lehner wrote:

Hi everyone,

I just found out that when buidling for Windows, revsecurity.dll is
automatically included as well to support https. However, my stack does not
use https at all except for one link in the comments!

Now I wanted to ask you how you usually handle such things - should I file
that as a bug/enhancement or just accept it as a feature?

Cheers,

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Re: revsecurity.dll appearing for (nearly) no reason

2013-06-27 Thread Pascal Lehner
Hi Mark,

Thank for the hint, I found the settings in the settings :-)


Regards,
Pascal


On 27 June 2013 13:04, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.comwrote:

 Hi Pascal,

 Do you search for inclusions automatically? Do it manually and you should
 be fine.

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 On 6/27/2013 12:41, Pascal Lehner wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 I just found out that when buidling for Windows, revsecurity.dll is
 automatically included as well to support https. However, my stack does
 not
 use https at all except for one link in the comments!

 Now I wanted to ask you how you usually handle such things - should I file
 that as a bug/enhancement or just accept it as a feature?

 Cheers,

 Pascal



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AW: One Year Free (Subscriptions)

2013-06-27 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hi Curry,

I was unsure too, if I read the new licence model right and asked the runrev
support.
It is definatly like it sounds to be. If you do not renew your license after
a year your commercial licence will be downgraded to the opensource license
and you can't build anymore closed source apps (probably by calling home on
every startup). It doesn't affect only new upgrades.
Tiemo


 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im
Auftrag
 von Curry Kenworthy
 Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juni 2013 00:27
 An: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Betreff: Re: One Year Free (Subscriptions)
 
 
   Please note this is a subscription license, which will  
automatically
 renew annually. You may cancel it at any time.
   If you cancel your access to LiveCode will revert to the   Open Source
 Community Edition and you will no longer be able   to build closed source
 apps.
 
 Howdy,
 
 Richmond and Warren, thanks for posting about this! Somehow I had been
 absent minded and forgotten about it being a subscription with LC Complete
 and the new Commercial.
 
 Probably it means access to new versions - not affecting any existing
 installed version? That's how Complete works, so I feel pretty confident
 that this works the same. Definitely worth clarifying. I don't think it's
 technically possible for your installed Commercial version to revert to
 OSS version; they are different and separate.
 
 But another problem with subscriptions is that you must remember to have a
 certain sum available in a certain bank or credit line annually, you don't
 choose the best day for payment, plus you can't use PayPal.
 
 If you forget about it, it could also cause trouble if you're using
 debit/bank rather than credit. For example you happen to have $550 in that
 account on that day, and you wrote a local check for $100 a couple days
ago
 that will attempt to post soon after the auto deduction. (I know that's a
 matter of account management, but most of my auto deductions are monthly
 and that helps to remember and allocate funds for
 them.)
 
 For a larger sum, $500, I really do not want to use a subscription that
 automatically deducts! It would be so much better to get one or more
emails
 that say Hey, your RunRev subscription is about to expire! but leave the
 actual payment up to me, so that I can choose the best time and source for
 it.
 
 LC Commercial is worth every penny of that payment - but I would love to
be
 the one to pull the trigger on the payment rather than having it go off
 automatically. :)
 
 Thanks again for the reminder!
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Curry K.
 
 
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AW: Where do I find the current release # at runrev?

2013-06-27 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Thanks Jan for clarifying!


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 Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im
Auftrag
 von Jan Schenkel
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Juni 2013 12:14
 An: How to use LiveCode
 Betreff: Re: Where do I find the current release # at runrev?
 
 Hi Tiemo,
 
 Only the GM versions are listed in your LiveCode store account.
 LiveCode 6.0.2 is the latest finished version of the commercial edition.
 LiveCode 6.1 is currently in the release candidate phase.
 
 
 HTH,
 
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 (La Rochefoucauld)
 
 
 - Original Message -
  From: Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.de
  To: 'How to use LiveCode' use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
  Cc:
  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:09 AM
  Subject: Where do I find the current release # at runrev?
 
  Hello,
 
 
 
  I wonder where I can look for, which is the current release # for the
  commercial LC version. I didn't find a clear info at runrev.
 
  When logging on to the LiveCode shop and looking into MyProducts I am
  offered version 6.0.2 but I am not sure if it is a dp or a release? Or
  are only releases shown in the shop and that's always the newest
  version for download?
 
 
 
  Thanks
 
  Tiemo
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Communicate with server using PUT

2013-06-27 Thread Ben Rubinstein

On 27/06/2013 06:06, J. Landman Gay wrote:

If we ever get the authentication worked out, I'm still not sure how to do a
PUT. I'll try putting the data back into the variable and send that.


Hi Jacque,

Are you able to watch your network traffic, eg using WireShark?  I've often 
found this was the quickest way to figure out what was going wrong with a 
network issue with LiveCode - especially if I have the benefit of an 
alternative that worked, so I can see exactly what is sent in a request that 
works, and what's been sent by LiveCode that doesn't work?


FWIW, this is what LiveCode (or rather, LibURL) sends across the network for 
the following LiveCode commands



put URL http://www.google.com/test/?x=123; into x


GET /test/?x=123 HTTP/1.1
Host: www.google.com
User-Agent: LiveCode (MacOS)


post 123 to URL http://www.google.com/test/;


POST /test/ HTTP/1.1
Host: www.google.com
User-Agent: LiveCode (MacOS)
Content-Length: 3
Content-Type:  application/x-www-form-urlencoded

123


put 123 into URL http://www.google.com/test/;


PUT /test/ HTTP/1.1
Host: www.google.com
User-Agent: LiveCode (MacOS)
Content-Length: 3
Content-Type:  application/x-www-form-urlencoded

123



... but really the interesting question is what the request (and response) 
look like when your server person does it from Rails.


Ben

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Custom Properties

2013-06-27 Thread Graham Pearson
As I am finishing up with my first application, I am now moving global
variables to custom properties as recommended by other posts on this
list and the RunRev lessons site.

On the main stack I have created a custom property called
altWebServerURL and custom contents of http://www.yourcfpro.com/TestApp/


In a RunRev lesson on custom properties it has a line that says:

answer the cName of this stack


which displayed the name entered from a field called name.




If I do the answer line with my altWebServerURL all I get is a blank
answer box with OK and not the value of what I defined within the
property contents of this custom property.



What am I doing wrong?

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Re: Communicate with server using PUT

2013-06-27 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:06 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote:


 If we ever get the authentication worked out, I'm still not sure how to do
 a PUT. I'll try putting the data back into the variable and send that.


put empty into url
http://domain.com/page.xxx?**value1=onevalue2=twohttp://domain.com/page.xxx?value1=onevalue2=two
should work fine. You can use query strings in POST, DELETE, GET or PUT.
The query string is just part of the URL you are sending. Rails will parse
what is in the query string and make those variables available to the Rails
app.

Your issue seems to be purely authorization related at this point. If you
get stuck figuring out authorization let me know. If the URL is https then
I wouldn't be surprised if you could just use BASIC AUTH in the header
since all of the data is encrypted.

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Re: Custom Properties

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Kluthe
Hmmm, is the data being returned by that custom property an array? Array's
don't display as strings on answer dialogs, etc.

Also, why move your global variables to custom properties? There are some
pretty good use cases for both.


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Graham Pearson gspear...@gmail.com wrote:

 As I am finishing up with my first application, I am now moving global
 variables to custom properties as recommended by other posts on this
 list and the RunRev lessons site.

 On the main stack I have created a custom property called
 altWebServerURL and custom contents of http://www.yourcfpro.com/TestApp/


 In a RunRev lesson on custom properties it has a line that says:

 answer the cName of this stack


 which displayed the name entered from a field called name.




 If I do the answer line with my altWebServerURL all I get is a blank
 answer box with OK and not the value of what I defined within the
 property contents of this custom property.



 What am I doing wrong?

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Android published app live...

2013-06-27 Thread Paul Maguire
Hi.

Anyone know how long it takes for a published Android app to go live in Google 
Play? I pushed the button to publish an hour ago and apparently it should take 
'a matter of minutes'

Kind regards,   Paul.
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Re: Custom Properties

2013-06-27 Thread Mike Kerner
Isn't there an issue of speed (although not a big difference) where custom
properties are slower than globals?


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote:

 Hmmm, is the data being returned by that custom property an array? Array's
 don't display as strings on answer dialogs, etc.

 Also, why move your global variables to custom properties? There are some
 pretty good use cases for both.


 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Graham Pearson gspear...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  As I am finishing up with my first application, I am now moving global
  variables to custom properties as recommended by other posts on this
  list and the RunRev lessons site.
 
  On the main stack I have created a custom property called
  altWebServerURL and custom contents of http://www.yourcfpro.com/TestApp/
 
 
  In a RunRev lesson on custom properties it has a line that says:
 
  answer the cName of this stack
 
 
  which displayed the name entered from a field called name.
 
 
 
 
  If I do the answer line with my altWebServerURL all I get is a blank
  answer box with OK and not the value of what I defined within the
  property contents of this custom property.
 
 
 
  What am I doing wrong?
 
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Re: Custom Properties

2013-06-27 Thread Roger Eller
I confirmed that either of these works as long as you have first:

*set* the cName of this stack to Bla Bla Bla

*answer* the cName of this stack

or

*get* the cName of this stack; *answer* it
~Roger


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote:

 Hmmm, is the data being returned by that custom property an array? Array's
 don't display as strings on answer dialogs, etc.

 Also, why move your global variables to custom properties? There are some
 pretty good use cases for both.


 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Graham Pearson gspear...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  As I am finishing up with my first application, I am now moving global
  variables to custom properties as recommended by other posts on this
  list and the RunRev lessons site.
 
  On the main stack I have created a custom property called
  altWebServerURL and custom contents of http://www.yourcfpro.com/TestApp/
 
 
  In a RunRev lesson on custom properties it has a line that says:
 
  answer the cName of this stack
 
 
  which displayed the name entered from a field called name.
 
 
 
 
  If I do the answer line with my altWebServerURL all I get is a blank
  answer box with OK and not the value of what I defined within the
  property contents of this custom property.
 
 
 
  What am I doing wrong?
 
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Re: Custom Properties

2013-06-27 Thread Graham Pearson
In the custom contents of this custom property has text which is listed
as http://www.yourcfpro.com/TestApp. I also have other custom properties
where I have true or false values and they are all displaying blank
answer windows when I try to view them so I know I am doing something
wrong.

To answer the why is I am wanting to move away from Adobe Air/Flash to
LC and have been wading in water with Livecode for the past 3 years.
Over the past 3 months, I have spent hours each day working with LC to
finally make the switch as I move my desktop applications to LC. I can
see the possibilities in my daily work environment with LC and some
possibilities with mobile applications as an extra enhancement to the
dynamic websites I have already created. The piece of the puzzle I have
been missing with Adobe Air/Flash is the mobile section.

How I have always learned something is to create something that I need
in my daily work environment in education as this allows me to retain
the information even though I know it will be very frustrating learning
on a training budget of $0.00 and using Google,Ask, Mailing Lists and
viewing other peoples code to understand techniques and best practices.
As I update my application to work out the issue of updating
automatically, the stacks I have found online use custom properties and
were written in pre Livecode days and I can not get them to work in my
project which I get same result when I try to debug the custom properties.

I am just trying to learn this to find out which way is best for this
specific application as this application might be best with global
variables and another might be best with custom properties.


On 6/27/2013 9:31 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
 Hmmm, is the data being returned by that custom property an array? Array's
 don't display as strings on answer dialogs, etc.
 
 Also, why move your global variables to custom properties? There are some
 pretty good use cases for both.
 
 
 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Graham Pearson gspear...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 As I am finishing up with my first application, I am now moving global
 variables to custom properties as recommended by other posts on this
 list and the RunRev lessons site.

 On the main stack I have created a custom property called
 altWebServerURL and custom contents of http://www.yourcfpro.com/TestApp/


 In a RunRev lesson on custom properties it has a line that says:

 answer the cName of this stack


 which displayed the name entered from a field called name.




 If I do the answer line with my altWebServerURL all I get is a blank
 answer box with OK and not the value of what I defined within the
 property contents of this custom property.



 What am I doing wrong?

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some sounds not playing on Windows 8

2013-06-27 Thread FORD JR, CURT
We've got a project that involves many sounds, all accessed through players. On 
most cards the controller is visible; on two cards with shorter sounds, we have 
small buttons that set the filename of an invisible player and start it playing.
It's been working well on Mac, XP, and Windows 7.

We've just had a report from a user on Windows 8 that sounds are working 
properly only on the cards with buttons and the invisible player. On cards with 
controller bars, the sound doesn't work (haven't been able to get more detail 
as to what exactly does/doesn't happen).

I haven't been able to get confirmation that the customer has QuickTime 
installed, though I would have assumed that if it's not, no sounds would play 
at all.

Anyone have any ideas why the controller might not work on Windows 8, though 
sounds played by an invisible controller do work?

-Curt
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Re: Android published app live...

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Wilcox
I've seen anywhere from minutes to a few hours.



 From: Paul Maguire m...@paulmaguire.me
To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
Sent: Thursday, 27 June 2013, 14:48
Subject: Android published app live...
 

Hi.

Anyone know how long it takes for a published Android app to go live in Google 
Play? I pushed the button to publish an hour ago and apparently it should take 
'a matter of minutes'

Kind regards,        Paul.
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RE: Android published app live...

2013-06-27 Thread Ralph DiMola
I've had it take from 20 min to a couple of hours

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
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Of Paul Maguire
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:49 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Android published app live...

Hi.

Anyone know how long it takes for a published Android app to go live in
Google Play? I pushed the button to publish an hour ago and apparently it
should take 'a matter of minutes'

Kind regards,   Paul.
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Re: Communicate with server using PUT

2013-06-27 Thread Dar Scott
I have had trouble with PUT.

I worked with the ISP to make sure it was enabled.  I set up the right access 
file permissions.  I made sure to put the name and password in the URL.  And 
failure.

So, either there was some overriding setting at the ISP that blocked things or 
either me or liburl is broken.  

I'm trying to remember what file was needed in the folder for the file to be 
PUT.  I can look for it.

Dar


On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:48 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 I need to send data to a server and they want me to use PUT instead of POST. 
 I also need to get a verification afterward to know whether the transaction 
 succeeded or not. The docs aren't clear on that, it just says errors are 
 reported in the result.
 
 Before I spend too much time on this, does a PUT also provide a response in 
 the result?
 
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Re: Android published app live...

2013-06-27 Thread Paul Maguire
Thanks Mark and Ralph!

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Re: Communicate with server using PUT

2013-06-27 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Ralph, I'm trying to learn about the Google api and understand your code and 
wanted to know what is expected in CSZ to feed to this function? what is your 
typical line of code that calls this function?

Thanks

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On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Ralph DiMola rdim...@evergreeninfo.net wrote:

 J,
 
 Well I guess no attachments on the list. Here it is in-line.
 
 function GeoCode StreetAddress , CSZ
 
   --Status Codes
   --OK indicates that no errors occurred; the address was successfully
 parsed and at least one geocode was returned.
   --ZERO_RESULTS indicates that the geocode was successful but returned
 no results. This may occur if the geocode was passed a non-existent address
 or a latlng in a remote location.
   --OVER_QUERY_LIMIT indicates that you are over your quota.
   --REQUEST_DENIED indicates that your request was denied, generally
 because of lack of a sensor parameter.
   --INVALID_REQUESTgenerally indicates that the query (address or latlng)
 is missing
 
 
   --Location Types
   --ROOFTOP indicates that the returned result is a precise geocode for
 which we have location information accurate down to street
   -- address precision.
   --RANGE_INTERPOLATED indicates that the returned result reflects an
 approximation (usually on a road) interpolated between two
   --precise points (such as intersections). Interpolated results are
 generally returned when rooftop geocodes are unavailable
   --for a street address.
   --GEOMETRIC_CENTER indicates that the returned result is the geometric
 center of a result such as a polyline (for example, a street)
   --or polygon (region).
   --APPROXIMATE indicates that the returned result is approximate
 
   local gxml , txml , str1 , pos1 , add1 , I , str2
   Local Geo
 
   put empty into Geo
   repeat with I = 1 to the number of lines in StreetAddress
  put offset (#,line I of StreetAddress) into pos1
  if pos1  0 then put char 1 to (pos1-1) of line I of StreetAddress
 into line I of Streetaddress
  Replacewith   in line I of StreetAddress
  replace   with + in line I of StreetAddress
  put Add1  Line I of Streetaddress into Add1
   end repeat
   delete char 1 in Add1
   Replacewith   in CSZ
   replace   with + in CSZ
 
   put url  (http://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/geocode/xml?address=; 
 add1  comma  +  CSZ  sensor=false) into gxml
   delete line 1 in gxml
   put revCreateXMLTree(gxml,true,true,false) into txml
   put revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/status) into geo[Status]
   replace OVER_ with  in geo[Status]
   if revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/status) = OK then
  if xmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/formatted_address) is
 not empty then \
put
 xmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/formatted_address) into
 Geo[FormattedAddress]
  put xmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/partial_match) into
 Geo[PartialMatch]
  repeat with I = 1 to
 revxmlnumberofchildren(txml,/GeocodeResponse/result,address_component,1)
 switch
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  I 
 ]/type)
Case administrative_area_level_2
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[County]
   Break
Case administrative_area_level_3
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[City]
   Break
Case street_number
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[StreetNumber]
   Break   
Case route
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[Route]
   Break   
Case locality
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[City]
   Break
Case administrative_area_level_1
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[StateName]
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  I 
 ]/short_name)  into geo[State]
   Break
Case Country
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[Country]
   Break
Case postal_code
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[ZIP]
   Break
default
   --breakpoint
   break
 end switch
  end repeat
  put
 revXMLChildNames(txml,/GeocodeResponse/result/geometry,comma,,false) into
 str1
  repeat for each item nodename in str1
 switch nodename
  

Re: OOH! Here are a couple of cool ios7 features that I hope LC takes advantage of!

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Wilcox
I think Monte is right, this is per-app control of system services rather than 
something implemented by the apps themselves.  Like you have per-app settings 
for notifications right now which the user controls, the first two of these 
will be settings controlled by the IT department.  App Data Protection is, as 
it says, automatic for all apps, although only works while the device is 
passcode locked.

Mark



 From: Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com
To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013, 22:33
Subject: Re: OOH! Here are a couple of cool ios7 features that I hope LC takes 
advantage of!
 

Without looking at the API's for 7, I was guessing each of those were
things that could be set up per app, which, if correct, would then be
subject to LC implementing them.  The context implied that to me, but I
don't know that for sure.

This will be unbelievably useful for our in-house apps, and will both
greatly reduce the stress we go through with them, and will make iOS the
first choice, I think, for in-house apps.



On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com
 wrote:

 All three of these look like things that IT departments setup and work
 with any app... managed open in for example would just change the list of
 open in apps you see in mergDoc. Just a way for them to further interfere
 with your life when you BYOD


 On 27/06/2013, at 3:27 AM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com wrote:

  www.apple.com/ios/ios7/business/
 
  1) Managed Open In  - can make your data only openable in your app,
 which
  takes the sandbox (which was already really good) even further
 
  2) Per app VPN
 
  3) App Data Protection is now automatic, no need to set it for your app.
 
 
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Re: Custom Properties

2013-06-27 Thread Graham Pearson
Now I am very lost as usual. on my stack script I did the set script
with a new custom property called altNewCustomPropertythat has a value
of http://www.google.com; and when I did the answer I got
http:/www.google.com


However, In the stack or in the card property inspector under custom
properties I do not see this custom property called altNewCustomProperty
so I must be trying to put the name/value items in the wrong location.


I would have thought that if I set a custom property it would have shown
up in the Property Inspector under Custom Property until the time it was
deleted if they can even be deleted via a script. Back to the drawing board.




On 6/27/2013 9:54 AM, Roger Eller wrote:
 I confirmed that either of these works as long as you have first:
 
 *set* the cName of this stack to Bla Bla Bla
 
 *answer* the cName of this stack
 
 or
 
 *get* the cName of this stack; *answer* it
 ~Roger
 
 
 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote:
 
 Hmmm, is the data being returned by that custom property an array? Array's
 don't display as strings on answer dialogs, etc.

 Also, why move your global variables to custom properties? There are some
 pretty good use cases for both.


 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Graham Pearson gspear...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 As I am finishing up with my first application, I am now moving global
 variables to custom properties as recommended by other posts on this
 list and the RunRev lessons site.

 On the main stack I have created a custom property called
 altWebServerURL and custom contents of http://www.yourcfpro.com/TestApp/


 In a RunRev lesson on custom properties it has a line that says:

 answer the cName of this stack


 which displayed the name entered from a field called name.




 If I do the answer line with my altWebServerURL all I get is a blank
 answer box with OK and not the value of what I defined within the
 property contents of this custom property.



 What am I doing wrong?

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RE: Free Valentina Studio, Valentina DB Reports for LiveCodeUpgraded to 5.3

2013-06-27 Thread Lynn Fredricks
 Any problems reported with VServer and Win7 running as a 
 service?  It immediately stops after the service starts up.  (for me)

Skip - you should post to MANTIS and/or get Ruslan's attention so we can
check it out.

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Re: OOH! Here are a couple of cool ios7 features that I hope LC takes advantage of!

2013-06-27 Thread Mike Kerner
BTW, there is another setting in the control panels, which allows apps to
auto-update in the background, which would also be a bonus - i.e. not
having to hack the app to get it to do something in the background - but
the user will now have control over apps getting a bunch of time for
background processing.  That is a big deal for me.

Right now, on the issue of data protection, there are several ways to set
the control in the app itself.  Now it will be automatic, so it appears
that setting will be obsolete.

If we can do the Per-App VPN in the app, then it makes it much easier to
pass it out to employees for their own personal devices.

As for the managed open in, again, if you can set it in the app, then the
issue of a personal device isn't an issue.  Right now, if you have control
of the device and you can connect it to iTunes or XCode, you can extract
the data file and manipulate it.  This should make that process much more
difficult, and if you set it in the app, then that's a big, big bonus for
folks distributing apps that go on personal devices.


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Mark Wilcox m_p_wil...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:

 I think Monte is right, this is per-app control of system services rather
 than something implemented by the apps themselves.  Like you have per-app
 settings for notifications right now which the user controls, the first two
 of these will be settings controlled by the IT department.  App Data
 Protection is, as it says, automatic for all apps, although only works
 while the device is passcode locked.

 Mark


 
  From: Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013, 22:33
 Subject: Re: OOH! Here are a couple of cool ios7 features that I hope LC
 takes advantage of!


 Without looking at the API's for 7, I was guessing each of those were
 things that could be set up per app, which, if correct, would then be
 subject to LC implementing them.  The context implied that to me, but I
 don't know that for sure.

 This will be unbelievably useful for our in-house apps, and will both
 greatly reduce the stress we go through with them, and will make iOS the
 first choice, I think, for in-house apps.



 On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Monte Goulding 
 mo...@sweattechnologies.com
  wrote:

  All three of these look like things that IT departments setup and work
  with any app... managed open in for example would just change the list of
  open in apps you see in mergDoc. Just a way for them to further interfere
  with your life when you BYOD
 
 
  On 27/06/2013, at 3:27 AM, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com
 wrote:
 
   www.apple.com/ios/ios7/business/
  
   1) Managed Open In  - can make your data only openable in your app,
  which
   takes the sandbox (which was already really good) even further
  
   2) Per app VPN
  
   3) App Data Protection is now automatic, no need to set it for your
 app.
  
  
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Re: Custom Properties

2013-06-27 Thread Andrew Kluthe
Hmm, perhaps look some of these lessons over again to get a clearer
understanding of whats custom properties are and how to use them in various
ways.

http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/tags?tag=custom+properties

The old user manual from when LC was still revolution (I believe it was
from the Revolution 4.0 era) was also incredibly useful to me. I read it
front to back when I first got started. It really gave me a clear
understanding of stuff like the message path, custom properties, etc.

I however can't find a link to the old style user manual. It also doesn't
seem the info in it is translated to the new attempt at a Developer's
guide. Maybe someone on list can upload a PDF of the oldstyle user guide
for you.


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Graham Pearson gspear...@gmail.com wrote:

 Now I am very lost as usual. on my stack script I did the set script
 with a new custom property called altNewCustomPropertythat has a value
 of http://www.google.com; and when I did the answer I got
 http:/www.google.com


 However, In the stack or in the card property inspector under custom
 properties I do not see this custom property called altNewCustomProperty
 so I must be trying to put the name/value items in the wrong location.


 I would have thought that if I set a custom property it would have shown
 up in the Property Inspector under Custom Property until the time it was
 deleted if they can even be deleted via a script. Back to the drawing
 board.




 On 6/27/2013 9:54 AM, Roger Eller wrote:
  I confirmed that either of these works as long as you have first:
 
  *set* the cName of this stack to Bla Bla Bla
 
  *answer* the cName of this stack
 
  or
 
  *get* the cName of this stack; *answer* it
  ~Roger
 
 
  On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote:
 
  Hmmm, is the data being returned by that custom property an array?
 Array's
  don't display as strings on answer dialogs, etc.
 
  Also, why move your global variables to custom properties? There are
 some
  pretty good use cases for both.
 
 
  On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Graham Pearson gspear...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  As I am finishing up with my first application, I am now moving global
  variables to custom properties as recommended by other posts on this
  list and the RunRev lessons site.
 
  On the main stack I have created a custom property called
  altWebServerURL and custom contents of
 http://www.yourcfpro.com/TestApp/
 
 
  In a RunRev lesson on custom properties it has a line that says:
 
  answer the cName of this stack
 
 
  which displayed the name entered from a field called name.
 
 
 
 
  If I do the answer line with my altWebServerURL all I get is a blank
  answer box with OK and not the value of what I defined within the
  property contents of this custom property.
 
 
 
  What am I doing wrong?
 
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RE: Communicate with server using PUT

2013-06-27 Thread Ralph DiMola
I apologize for being lazy but I have used the CSZ acronym for 20 years. It
stands for City State Zip.
I found that just sending the zip yields the best results.
Examples:

put GeoCode(455 Park Ave suite 4401 , 10011) into Geo
put GeoCode(54 Main Street , 12801) into Geo

GeoCode returns an array with the these keys: 
[Lat][Center]
[Lon[Center]
[Status]
[LocationType]
[PartialMatch]





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IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


-Original Message-
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Thomas McGrath III
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:07 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Communicate with server using PUT

Ralph, I'm trying to learn about the Google api and understand your code and
wanted to know what is expected in CSZ to feed to this function? what is
your typical line of code that calls this function?

Thanks

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
mcgra...@mac.com

On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Ralph DiMola rdim...@evergreeninfo.net wrote:

 J,
 
 Well I guess no attachments on the list. Here it is in-line.
 
 function GeoCode StreetAddress , CSZ
 
   --Status Codes
   --OK indicates that no errors occurred; the address was 
 successfully parsed and at least one geocode was returned.
   --ZERO_RESULTS indicates that the geocode was successful but 
 returned no results. This may occur if the geocode was passed a 
 non-existent address or a latlng in a remote location.
   --OVER_QUERY_LIMIT indicates that you are over your quota.
   --REQUEST_DENIED indicates that your request was denied, generally 
 because of lack of a sensor parameter.
   --INVALID_REQUESTgenerally indicates that the query (address or 
 latlng) is missing
 
 
   --Location Types
   --ROOFTOP indicates that the returned result is a precise geocode 
 for which we have location information accurate down to street
   -- address precision.
   --RANGE_INTERPOLATED indicates that the returned result reflects 
 an approximation (usually on a road) interpolated between two
   --precise points (such as intersections). Interpolated results are
 generally returned when rooftop geocodes are unavailable
   --for a street address.
   --GEOMETRIC_CENTER indicates that the returned result is the 
 geometric center of a result such as a polyline (for example, a street)
   --or polygon (region).
   --APPROXIMATE indicates that the returned result is approximate
 
   local gxml , txml , str1 , pos1 , add1 , I , str2
   Local Geo
 
   put empty into Geo
   repeat with I = 1 to the number of lines in StreetAddress
  put offset (#,line I of StreetAddress) into pos1
  if pos1  0 then put char 1 to (pos1-1) of line I of 
 StreetAddress into line I of Streetaddress
  Replacewith   in line I of StreetAddress
  replace   with + in line I of StreetAddress
  put Add1  Line I of Streetaddress into Add1
   end repeat
   delete char 1 in Add1
   Replacewith   in CSZ
   replace   with + in CSZ
 
   put url  (http://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/geocode/xml?address=; 
 
 add1  comma  +  CSZ  sensor=false) into gxml
   delete line 1 in gxml
   put revCreateXMLTree(gxml,true,true,false) into txml
   put revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/status) into geo[Status]
   replace OVER_ with  in geo[Status]
   if revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/status) = OK then
  if 
 xmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/formatted_address) is not
empty then \
put
 xmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/formatted_address) into 
 Geo[FormattedAddress]
  put xmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/partial_match) 
 into Geo[PartialMatch]
  repeat with I = 1 to

revxmlnumberofchildren(txml,/GeocodeResponse/result,address_component,1)
 switch
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  
 I 
 ]/type)
Case administrative_area_level_2
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  
 I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[County]
   Break
Case administrative_area_level_3
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  
 I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[City]
   Break
Case street_number
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  
 I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[StreetNumber]
   Break   
Case route
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  
 I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[Route]
   Break   
Case locality
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  
 I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[City]
   Break
Case administrative_area_level_1
   put
 revxmlnodecontents(txml,GeocodeResponse/result/address_component[  
 I 
 ]/long_name)  into geo[StateName]
   put
 

Re: Communicate with server using PUT

2013-06-27 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Dar Scott d...@swcp.com wrote:

 I have had trouble with PUT.

 I worked with the ISP to make sure it was enabled.  I set up the right
 access file permissions.  I made sure to put the name and password in the
 URL.  And failure.

 So, either there was some overriding setting at the ISP that blocked
 things or either me or liburl is broken.


Dar,

I've used libURL for years to send PUT calls to my servers so I don't think
it is libURL. It is the call used whenever you are updating a resource on
the server. I recall that a few years ago I had to mimic PUT by doing a
POST with a parameter specifying that the server should process as a PUT.
This was a ruby on rails issue IIRC, however.

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Re: Custom Properties

2013-06-27 Thread Alan Stenhouse
Perhaps they're under a different custom property set? Did you check in the 
Custom Properties inspector if there's any other property sets that you could 
choose? (There's a popup under the scrolling field of custom properties).

Can you paste in the command you're using to set one of these properties please?


On 27/06/2013, at 4:14 PM, gspear...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Graham Pearson gspear...@gmail.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Subject: Re: Custom Properties
 Message-ID: 51cc48fb.4060...@gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
 Now I am very lost as usual. on my stack script I did the set script
 with a new custom property called altNewCustomPropertythat has a value
 of http://www.google.com; and when I did the answer I got
 http:/www.google.com
 
 
 However, In the stack or in the card property inspector under custom
 properties I do not see this custom property called altNewCustomProperty
 so I must be trying to put the name/value items in the wrong location.
 
 
 I would have thought that if I set a custom property it would have shown
 up in the Property Inspector under Custom Property until the time it was
 deleted if they can even be deleted via a script. Back to the drawing board.
 

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Re: Custom Properties

2013-06-27 Thread Graham Pearson
Well for somehow the custom property was being stored in one of the
SubStacks of the main stack and not within the main stack. Now to figure
out what I did to make this happen.




On 6/27/2013 10:36 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
 Hmm, perhaps look some of these lessons over again to get a clearer
 understanding of whats custom properties are and how to use them in various
 ways.
 
 http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/tags?tag=custom+properties
 
 The old user manual from when LC was still revolution (I believe it was
 from the Revolution 4.0 era) was also incredibly useful to me. I read it
 front to back when I first got started. It really gave me a clear
 understanding of stuff like the message path, custom properties, etc.
 
 I however can't find a link to the old style user manual. It also doesn't
 seem the info in it is translated to the new attempt at a Developer's
 guide. Maybe someone on list can upload a PDF of the oldstyle user guide
 for you.
 
 
 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Graham Pearson gspear...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Now I am very lost as usual. on my stack script I did the set script
 with a new custom property called altNewCustomPropertythat has a value
 of http://www.google.com; and when I did the answer I got
 http:/www.google.com


 However, In the stack or in the card property inspector under custom
 properties I do not see this custom property called altNewCustomProperty
 so I must be trying to put the name/value items in the wrong location.


 I would have thought that if I set a custom property it would have shown
 up in the Property Inspector under Custom Property until the time it was
 deleted if they can even be deleted via a script. Back to the drawing
 board.




 On 6/27/2013 9:54 AM, Roger Eller wrote:
 I confirmed that either of these works as long as you have first:

 *set* the cName of this stack to Bla Bla Bla

 *answer* the cName of this stack

 or

 *get* the cName of this stack; *answer* it
 ~Roger


 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote:

 Hmmm, is the data being returned by that custom property an array?
 Array's
 don't display as strings on answer dialogs, etc.

 Also, why move your global variables to custom properties? There are
 some
 pretty good use cases for both.


 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Graham Pearson gspear...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 As I am finishing up with my first application, I am now moving global
 variables to custom properties as recommended by other posts on this
 list and the RunRev lessons site.

 On the main stack I have created a custom property called
 altWebServerURL and custom contents of
 http://www.yourcfpro.com/TestApp/


 In a RunRev lesson on custom properties it has a line that says:

 answer the cName of this stack


 which displayed the name entered from a field called name.




 If I do the answer line with my altWebServerURL all I get is a blank
 answer box with OK and not the value of what I defined within the
 property contents of this custom property.



 What am I doing wrong?

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Re: Custom Properties

2013-06-27 Thread Paul Maguire
I can confirm the following works:
Create new stack
Add custom property someProperty and set to http://google.com
Answer (the someProperty of thisCard) pops open a modal dialog with the URL as 
expected

Perhaps there is a bogus invisible character somewhere in the URL?
Perhaps delete custom property, recreate it and type in the URL (instead of 
copy/paste)?

Kind regards,   Paul.
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BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Benjamin Beaumont
LiveCode 6.1.0-rc-2 is now available.

This release contains the following changes:

   - Images with filenames that look like URLs can cause slowdown.
   - ASCII string check
   - UUID Generation
   - Improved properties Property
   - Additional statistical functions
   - Activation removed in Community edition
   - The cardIds of group
   - The childControlNames and childControlIds of group
   - the effective visible
   - Chained Behaviors
   - iOS Remote Control Support
   - Locking Group Updates
   - Random Number Generation
   - Getting the Page Ranges of a Field
  - 16 bug fixes: 10991 - If a memory warning is received whilst
  acceleratedRendering mode is enabled, a crash can occur on iOS.
  - 10990 - Memory leak when using acceleratedRendering on iOS in
  certain cases.
  - 10986 - 'select before/after field ...' selects the field object,
  rather than the text in the field.
  - 10982 - RevDB doesn't work with LiveCode server on Mac
  - 10914 - PIE binaries are now built for ARMv7+ meaning the 'Non-PIE
  Binary' warning from iTunes Connect should no longer occur.
  - 10976 - Ungrouping objects can result in their id's changing.
  - 10975 - Image objects don't properly resolve filenames to be
  absolute before searching the cache.
  - 10974 - Instability in acceleratedRendering caused in specific
  circumstances when a static layer moves just above a dynamic layer.
  - 10967 - Import snapshot on 16-bit displays on Windows causes a
  blank image to be produced.
  - 10966 - Fetching properties of function expressions now works
  correctly (e.g. the name of controlAtLoc(the mouseLoc)).
  - 10961 - Passing script locals as parameters to external functions
  doesn't work correctly in behaviors.
  - 10960 - Getting 'the lockUpdates of ' now works correctly.
  - 10950 - 'is a color' now checks the input string more carefully, in
  particular it doesn't allow trailing characters, or more than 3 items.
  - 10945 - mobileControls() returns deleted controls in the list
  - 10926 - 'filter' does not honour the lineDelimiter property.
  - 10863 - Group command doesn't throw an error when attempting to
  group a shared group.

You can get access to this release in 1 of 2 ways:
1) From within the IDE go to the help menu and click check for updates
2) Visit http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_1_0/ and download the RC2
installer for your platform.

Warm regards,

The LiveCode team
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Re: Custom Properties

2013-06-27 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Graham,

When ever possible paste the code you are using and the version of Livecode. It 
will be a lot easier to give an answer.

If you want to put quotes into a customProperty you have to use:

set the cAddress of this card to quote  http://www.google.com;  quote

and then you can use this line to get the custom property back:

put the cAddress of this card into field Address of this card 


HTHs


-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
mcgra...@mac.com

On Jun 27, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Graham Pearson gspear...@gmail.com wrote:

 Now I am very lost as usual. on my stack script I did the set script
 with a new custom property called altNewCustomPropertythat has a value
 of http://www.google.com; and when I did the answer I got
 http:/www.google.com
 
 
 However, In the stack or in the card property inspector under custom
 properties I do not see this custom property called altNewCustomProperty
 so I must be trying to put the name/value items in the wrong location.
 
 
 I would have thought that if I set a custom property it would have shown
 up in the Property Inspector under Custom Property until the time it was
 deleted if they can even be deleted via a script. Back to the drawing board.
 
 
 


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Re: Communicate with server using PUT

2013-06-27 Thread Ben Rubinstein

On 27/06/2013 14:28, Mike Bonner wrote:

I think a put and a post are very similar. You might manually set the
headers to work as a put but us post to send the data. (think the data
comes through the same way, its just the headers that differ)


I don't think that's needed - LiveCode's PUT mechanism works fine.

The difference in the headers _is_ the difference: the point of the spec is 
that PUT means something different to POST (in POST, the resource 
specified in the URL is supposed to handle the data, process it in some way, 
possibly return some result - so for example, if that resource doesn't exist, 
that's an error; in PUT, the URL specifies where the data should go - if 
there's nothing there now, that's fine.  PUT is the inverse of GET.  POST is 
something different altogether.)  But of course anyone can implement a server 
to interpret requests in any way.


(Whether the data is encoded the way that the service expects is another issue 
- ie the way that LibURL is defaulting to encoding it.  But that should be 
defined by the service.)


Ben



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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Thomas McGrath III
I was reading the specs on this and found under UUID: 
A cryptographic quality pseudo-random number generator is used to generate the 
randomness. 

Which in and of itself is very cryptic and rather unspecific in exactly what it 
is saying. I had to laugh….

Tom

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
mcgra...@mac.com

On Jun 27, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Benjamin Beaumont b...@runrev.com wrote:

  iOS Remote Control Support

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New properties Property

2013-06-27 Thread Thomas McGrath III
I know there was some talk earlier on 'how' the new properties Property was 
being changed and that there was a conversation going on somewhere else but I 
wanted to know if anyone has actually tried to store and later recreate 
livecode objects based solely on this new implementation? I had a couple of 
projects that I put on hold due to the old implementation not working correctly.

Thanks

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http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
mcgra...@mac.com


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Re: Free Valentina Studio, Valentina DB Reports for LiveCodeUpgraded to 5.3

2013-06-27 Thread Skip Kimpel
He got back to me yesterday   I was missing the license file.

SKIP

On Jun 27, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com 
wrote:

 Any problems reported with VServer and Win7 running as a 
 service?  It immediately stops after the service starts up.  (for me)
 
 Skip - you should post to MANTIS and/or get Ruslan's attention so we can
 check it out.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Lynn Fredricks
 President
 Paradigma Software
 http://www.paradigmasoft.com
 
 Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 
 
 
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Adjusting Data Grid Column Width on an iPad

2013-06-27 Thread Ray Horsley
Here's a good one - does anybody have any suggestions as to how make it easier, 
especially for users with fat fingers, to adjust column width in a data grid on 
an iPad?  I can do it but it usually takes me four or five tries and can it be 
a little frustrating.  Increasing the size of the text, row height, and the 
height of the column labels doesn't seem to help make the area where rolling 
the cursor over becomes a double arrow, right between two column headings, any 
wider.
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Re: Adjusting Data Grid Column Width on an iPad

2013-06-27 Thread Scott Rossi
I would suggest building a dedicated adjustment control that is suited to
touch.  The data grid was created for use in a mouse-driven environment.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 6/27/13 10:54 AM, Ray Horsley r...@linkit.com wrote:

Here's a good one - does anybody have any suggestions as to how make it
easier, especially for users with fat fingers, to adjust column width in
a data grid on an iPad?  I can do it but it usually takes me four or five
tries and can it be a little frustrating.  Increasing the size of the
text, row height, and the height of the column labels doesn't seem to
help make the area where rolling the cursor over becomes a double arrow,
right between two column headings, any wider.
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Re: Communicate with server using PUT

2013-06-27 Thread J. Landman Gay
Thanks everyone, the problem is solved. It was indeed an authorization 
problem and once I fixed that, PUT started working. We are using a token 
to identify the app, and a bad copy/paste caused it to be missing a 
digit. All that trouble over a single integer.


Right now I'm putting the data into a variable and putting that into the 
http URL. I get a response back in the urlResponse, just as it should 
be. I'm grateful for the info about urlResponse, I haven't had to use it 
before and didn't know it existed.


I haven't tried just appending the value pairs to the end of the URL 
because now that it works, I don't want to mess with it.


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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Richmond

On 06/27/2013 06:15 PM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:

LiveCode 6.1.0-rc-2 is now available.




Glad to see that silly problem with the script editor has gone away.

Richmond.

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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Benjamin,

Ok, so how do I get 6.1.0 rc2 LiveCode Server?

Thanks,

Rick

On Jun 27, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Benjamin Beaumont b...@runrev.com wrote:

 LiveCode 6.1.0-rc-2 is now available.
 
 This release contains the following changes:
 
   - Images with filenames that look like URLs can cause slowdown.
   - ASCII string check
   - UUID Generation
   - Improved properties Property
   - Additional statistical functions
   - Activation removed in Community edition
   - The cardIds of group
   - The childControlNames and childControlIds of group
   - the effective visible
   - Chained Behaviors
   - iOS Remote Control Support
   - Locking Group Updates
   - Random Number Generation
   - Getting the Page Ranges of a Field
  - 16 bug fixes: 10991 - If a memory warning is received whilst
  acceleratedRendering mode is enabled, a crash can occur on iOS.
  - 10990 - Memory leak when using acceleratedRendering on iOS in
  certain cases.
  - 10986 - 'select before/after field ...' selects the field object,
  rather than the text in the field.
  - 10982 - RevDB doesn't work with LiveCode server on Mac
  - 10914 - PIE binaries are now built for ARMv7+ meaning the 'Non-PIE
  Binary' warning from iTunes Connect should no longer occur.
  - 10976 - Ungrouping objects can result in their id's changing.
  - 10975 - Image objects don't properly resolve filenames to be
  absolute before searching the cache.
  - 10974 - Instability in acceleratedRendering caused in specific
  circumstances when a static layer moves just above a dynamic layer.
  - 10967 - Import snapshot on 16-bit displays on Windows causes a
  blank image to be produced.
  - 10966 - Fetching properties of function expressions now works
  correctly (e.g. the name of controlAtLoc(the mouseLoc)).
  - 10961 - Passing script locals as parameters to external functions
  doesn't work correctly in behaviors.
  - 10960 - Getting 'the lockUpdates of ' now works correctly.
  - 10950 - 'is a color' now checks the input string more carefully, in
  particular it doesn't allow trailing characters, or more than 3 items.
  - 10945 - mobileControls() returns deleted controls in the list
  - 10926 - 'filter' does not honour the lineDelimiter property.
  - 10863 - Group command doesn't throw an error when attempting to
  group a shared group.
 
 You can get access to this release in 1 of 2 ways:
 1) From within the IDE go to the help menu and click check for updates
 2) Visit http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_1_0/ and download the RC2
 installer for your platform.
 
 Warm regards,
 
 The LiveCode team
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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Richmond

On 06/27/2013 09:37 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:

Hi Benjamin,

Ok, so how do I get 6.1.0 rc2 LiveCode Server?

Thanks,

Rick



I'm not Benjamin, but you might like to have a look here:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/server/6_1_0/

All it really takes is a 30 second poke about on the RunRev FTP site!

Richmond.

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Re: Custom Properties

2013-06-27 Thread Richard Gaskin

Graham Pearson wrote:

As I am finishing up with my first application, I am now moving global
variables to custom properties as recommended by other posts on this
list and the RunRev lessons site.


What are you looking to achieve with this conversion?

Most programming languages include support for global variables because 
they can be quite useful.


If the code works well with globals now, there may be nothing to fix.

--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: New properties Property

2013-06-27 Thread Monte Goulding

On 28/06/2013, at 1:26 AM, Thomas McGrath III mcgra...@mac.com wrote:

 I know there was some talk earlier on 'how' the new properties Property was 
 being changed and that there was a conversation going on somewhere else but I 
 wanted to know if anyone has actually tried to store and later recreate 
 livecode objects based solely on this new implementation? I had a couple of 
 projects that I put on hold due to the old implementation not working 
 correctly.

I've updated lcVCS to rely solely on the properties property rather than all 
the workarounds it previously needed to do and all seems to be well... It's why 
I fixed the properties property after all... If you do happen to find a quirk 
please report it and perhaps shoot me an email with the report number so I can 
look into it. There were two major issues. The first was that the returned 
array didn't cover all the properties of the target. The second was when 
applying the properties that precedence wasn't being handled... setting rect 
before gradient etc... I think I've dealt with both but we will need to keep an 
eye on it as properties are added to different objects.

Cheers

--
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Re: New properties Property

2013-06-27 Thread Monte Goulding

On 28/06/2013, at 1:26 AM, Thomas McGrath III mcgra...@mac.com wrote:

 based solely on this new implementation?

Oh... forgot to add that it still doesn't include script and custom properties 
so you would need to deal with them separately

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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Richmond,

Thanks for the link!

Rick

On Jun 27, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 06/27/2013 09:37 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:
 Hi Benjamin,
 
 Ok, so how do I get 6.1.0 rc2 LiveCode Server?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Rick
 
 
 I'm not Benjamin, but you might like to have a look here:
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/server/6_1_0/
 
 All it really takes is a 30 second poke about on the RunRev FTP site!
 
 Richmond.
 
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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi again,

That is the community edition link.
I need the commercial one!

So how do I get it?

Thanks,

Rick

On Jun 27, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 06/27/2013 09:37 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:
 Hi Benjamin,
 
 Ok, so how do I get 6.1.0 rc2 LiveCode Server?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Rick
 
 
 I'm not Benjamin, but you might like to have a look here:
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/server/6_1_0/
 
 All it really takes is a 30 second poke about on the RunRev FTP site!
 
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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 6/27/13 4:11 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:

Hi again,

That is the community edition link.
I need the commercial one!

So how do I get it?


Remove the server portion of the URL:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_1_0/



Thanks,

Rick

On Jun 27, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:


On 06/27/2013 09:37 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:

Hi Benjamin,

Ok, so how do I get 6.1.0 rc2 LiveCode Server?

Thanks,

Rick



I'm not Benjamin, but you might like to have a look here:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/server/6_1_0/

All it really takes is a 30 second poke about on the RunRev FTP site!

Richmond.

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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Ralf Bitter
May be I am missing something but I think Rick asked
how to get the commercial server version 6.1.0 and
this is what I would like to know too.

(There is no entry for server  at http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_1_0/)


Ralf


On 28.06.2013, at 00:04, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote:

 On 6/27/13 4:11 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:
 Hi again,
 
 That is the community edition link.
 I need the commercial one!
 
 So how do I get it?
 
 Remove the server portion of the URL:
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_1_0/


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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Monte Goulding

On 28/06/2013, at 8:36 AM, Ralf Bitter wrote:

 May be I am missing something but I think Rick asked
 how to get the commercial server version 6.1.0 and
 this is what I would like to know too.
 
 (There is no entry for server  at 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_1_0/)

It could be that commercial server is not yet integrated into the automated 
build process... could be a lower priority because 99.99% of server use cases 
will be covered by community...

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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Ralf Bitter

Does this mean that the ability to use protected stacks covers 0.01% of server 
use cases?


Ralf

On 28.06.2013, at 00:51, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote:

 
 On 28/06/2013, at 8:36 AM, Ralf Bitter wrote:
 
 May be I am missing something but I think Rick asked
 how to get the commercial server version 6.1.0 and
 this is what I would like to know too.
 
 (There is no entry for server  at 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_1_0/)
 
 It could be that commercial server is not yet integrated into the automated 
 build process... could be a lower priority because 99.99% of server use cases 
 will be covered by community...
 


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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Monte Goulding

On 28/06/2013, at 8:59 AM, Ralf Bitter ra...@revigniter.com wrote:

 Does this mean that the ability to use protected stacks covers 0.01% of 
 server use cases?

I think so... you only need to protect them if you are selling a server 
solution rather than just hosting it. I guess there's third party libraries you 
might be using... So perhaps it is a higher %... I'm not saying they shouldn't 
release it but that it may just not have hit the top of the priority list 
yet... 

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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread stephen barncard
There isn't much more functionality the server needs except some of the image
manipulation commands that would make sense, including ones that use the
templateGraphic and the templateImage. I'd be cool to not have to depend on
slow shell calls to imageMagik for the basic image conversion we can do on
land.   Imagine a stack that can read all the files surrounding it to
display a photo gallery in a web page, complete with all links and
thumbnails, all created in Livecode.  Are graphics commands too bulky for
the cgi model?

Has the graphic section of the Livecode server been shut down because it
didn't make sense?
Or because there was a  technical reason why this couldn't be enabled to at
least allow the use of the templates for processing?

I've made this work now using imageMagik, but the thumbnail process is slow
and clunky.


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com
 wrote:


 On 28/06/2013, at 8:36 AM, Ralf Bitter wrote:

  May be I am missing something but I think Rick asked
  how to get the commercial server version 6.1.0 and
  this is what I would like to know too.
 
  (There is no entry for server  at
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_1_0/)

 It could be that commercial server is not yet integrated into the
 automated build process... could be a lower priority because 99.99% of
 server use cases will be covered by community...

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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Jacques Hausser
Indeed hunderts of PRGs were published… which one is used ? Would be nice to 
have a reference. Thanks in advance !

Jacques


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 I was reading the specs on this and found under UUID: 
 A cryptographic quality pseudo-random number generator is used to generate 
 the randomness. 
 
 Which in and of itself is very cryptic and rather unspecific in exactly what 
 it is saying. I had to laugh….
 
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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread stephen barncard
now that I'm looking at the latest api
documenthttp://livecode.com/developers/api/6.0.2//newImage/,
I see some image commands that have 'server' under supported platforms!
 and audioclip and videoclipsome testing is needed to see if this
works, but I don't remember anything in the release notes..


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:07 PM, stephen barncard 
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote:

 There isn't much more functionality the server needs except some of the image
 manipulation commands that would make sense, including ones that use the
 templateGraphic and the templateImage. I'd be cool to not have to depend on
 slow shell calls to imageMagik for the basic image conversion we can do on
 land.   Imagine a stack that can read all the files surrounding it to
 display a photo gallery in a web page, complete with all links and
 thumbnails, all created in Livecode.  Are graphics commands too bulky for
 the cgi model?

 Has the graphic section of the Livecode server been shut down because it
 didn't make sense?
 Or because there was a  technical reason why this couldn't be enabled to
 at least allow the use of the templates for processing?

 I've made this work now using imageMagik, but the thumbnail process is
 slow and clunky.


 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Monte Goulding 
 mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote:


 On 28/06/2013, at 8:36 AM, Ralf Bitter wrote:

  May be I am missing something but I think Rick asked
  how to get the commercial server version 6.1.0 and
  this is what I would like to know too.
 
  (There is no entry for server  at
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_1_0/)

 It could be that commercial server is not yet integrated into the
 automated build process... could be a lower priority because 99.99% of
 server use cases will be covered by community...

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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi again,

Yes, I was asking about where to get the
6.1.0rc2 COMMERCIAL SERVER link.

Thanks,

Rick

On Jun 27, 2013, at 6:04 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote:

 On 6/27/13 4:11 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:
 Hi again,
 
 That is the community edition link.
 I need the commercial one!
 
 So how do I get it?
 
 Remove the server portion of the URL:
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_1_0/
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Rick
 
 On Jun 27, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 06/27/2013 09:37 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:
 Hi Benjamin,
 
 Ok, so how do I get 6.1.0 rc2 LiveCode Server?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Rick
 
 
 I'm not Benjamin, but you might like to have a look here:
 
 http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/server/6_1_0/
 
 All it really takes is a 30 second poke about on the RunRev FTP site!
 
 Richmond.
 
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Re: Communicate with server using PUT

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Wieder
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 All that trouble over a single integer.

Thanks to SCOTUS, single integers can now get married.

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Windows 8.1 Preview

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Wieder
For anyone who wants to live out on the edge, the firstdeveloper preview of
Windows 8.1 is available for download. I wasn't able to install it into a
VirtualBox VM from the ISO file. I didn't try all that hard and I'm not
sufficiently motivated to try again. But YMMV.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/preview-download

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Re: Communicate with server using PUT

2013-06-27 Thread Dar Scott
This is coming back to me and I think I ended up testing the PUT on a different 
server.  Perhaps some Apache setting was getting in the way and the ISP was not 
able to track it down.  I still wonder if my test had some flaw staring me in 
the face.  In any case, I was able to do the test.

Dar

On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Dar Scott d...@swcp.com wrote:
 
 I have had trouble with PUT.
 
 I worked with the ISP to make sure it was enabled.  I set up the right
 access file permissions.  I made sure to put the name and password in the
 URL.  And failure.
 
 So, either there was some overriding setting at the ISP that blocked
 things or either me or liburl is broken.
 
 
 Dar,
 
 I've used libURL for years to send PUT calls to my servers so I don't think
 it is libURL. It is the call used whenever you are updating a resource on
 the server. I recall that a few years ago I had to mimic PUT by doing a
 POST with a parameter specifying that the server should process as a PUT.
 This was a ruby on rails issue IIRC, however.
 
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Re: BETA RELEASE: LiveCode 6.1.0 Release Candidate 2

2013-06-27 Thread Richard Gaskin

stephen barncard wrote:


Has the graphic section of the Livecode server been shut down because it
didn't make sense?
Or because there was a  technical reason why this couldn't be enabled to at
least allow the use of the templates for processing?


I believe the main reason was that the routines LC uses in the Linux 
engine for rendering graphics depend on system components not normally 
installed on servers.


That said, I believe I'd read somewhere recently that some of the 
factoring coming down the road may enable graphics processing in the 
Server engine.


Anyone have any specifics on that?

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