AW: AW: Installer maker window keeps blank on OS X

2015-09-01 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Not yet, but I will do. Because since years using the same installer this is 
the only customer, where this happens. So I first tried to find a reason on 
that specific Mac.

Thank you

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von 
J. Landman Gay
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. September 2015 20:15
An: How to use LiveCode 
Betreff: Re: AW: Installer maker window keeps blank on OS X

Have you contacted the installer maker author? It sounds like it is aborting a 
script or can't load data, or something similar.

On 9/1/2015 7:54 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> I am still completely puzzled, what is going on that Mac. I have never 
> seen such a behavior. The first window of the installer program just 
> keeps empty, no control/button is shown, neither the text field, which 
> usually is there.
> I am almost sure, that it is any wired thing on the customers Mac, but 
> the customer, as always swears, that all other programs could be 
> installed and run without any problem, so it must be my crappy program.
>
> Has anybody ever seen such a behavior on a Mac or any idea, what to 
> check for on that Mac, before I refund the price for my not working 
> program to that customer? I have no idea in which direction I could 
> investigate.
>
> Thanks for any ideas
> Tiemo
>
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im 
> Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB
> Gesendet: Montag, 31. August 2015 13:44
> An: LiveCode User Liste senden 
> Betreff: Installer maker window keeps blank on OS X
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I am packaging my OS X program with installer maker and codesign it. 
> It works fine at all customers beside of one.
>
> Now a customer with OS X 10.9.5 tells me that she opens my installer 
> and he gets only a blank white window. The window has my text in the 
> title bar, but not text or any buttons like cancel or next in the 
> window, so she can't go on to install my program, only close it by the red 
> cross.
>
>
>
> I have checked, if it has anything to do with the security settings 
> (install apps only from.), but nothing changes in the weird behavior 
> of the installer, changing the security setting. The user has admin rights.
>
>
>
> Has anybody ever seen such a behavior, perhaps with any other program 
> or any idea, what to check for on this machine? What could go wrong here?
>
>
>
> Thanks for any ideas
>
> Tiemo
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread Warren Samples

On 09/01/2015 11:36 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

On Ubuntu Linux, works fine Firefox

Chrome and Opera shows this message:
Exception thrown, see JavaScript console



It works here in Opera 31.0 and Chrome 44.0 (also works in Chromium) in 
openSUSE 13.2, 64-bit. I wonder what accounts for the difference in our 
experiences. It does not work in QupZilla or Konqueror using either 
WebKit or KHTML. It also works fine in Vivaldi.


Warren

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Re: LCB API's

2015-09-01 Thread jameshale
OK, now I understand my confusion.

I have been comparing the NEW dictionary to the OLD (V7 and before) where
the listing of terms was BETTER presented (at least in my opinion).

In the OLD dictionary the listing of items was a table with three columns
the first of which was termed "Keyword"

This is what I wanted to see both in the NEW dictionary's current list as
well as presented as the NAME of the description (shown in bold).

The nearest I could come up with was to use the quoted strings in the syntax
description although without any leading "the", "set" or "get".

The OLD dictionary listing also included the syntax but this was in the
third column with the type of keyword displayed in the second column.

So I guess I am arguing for a return to this style of presentation as I have
found it much easier to look through the list when I can see clearly the
"keyword" without anything else confounding it.

So, is it possible to have more than one column in your list?
Is it possible to filter the syntax description to only show the quoted
strings and remove the prepositions (the, set, get, put) when there is more
than one quoted string and thus display what was the "keyword" in previous
dictionaries?
If more than one column is provided then displaying the "type" and the
"library" (in LCB case) would also be great.
Can you use the "keyword" as defined above as the name displayed in Bold as
the heading for the description?

My use of square brackets for the library name was not the suggestion, just
the library name's inclusion. 

The question of "left vs leftlist" is redundant if the listing is lead by
the keyword as I have described. 
The keyword here is "is" :-)

Your explanation regarding needle makes sense once the metaphor is
explained.
It just never occurred to me, so I am assuming it might not occur to
another. 
Changing entries where it is used to also use haystack makes it clear and
light.
I see this is done in some entries but not others and where it is done it is
not defined.



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HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread Alejandro Tejada
on Tue Sep 1 2015
Fraser Gordon wrote:

> I’d be curious to hear if anyone has had a go
> with Opera or the Android browser?

On Ubuntu Linux, works fine Firefox

Chrome and Opera shows this message:
Exception thrown, see JavaScript console

Opera shows this line too:
TypeError: Expected object as first argument

Bernd, many thanks for sharing this really nice webstack!
http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/colorpuzzleLC8/colorpuzzle.html

Alejandro
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Re: SEND x TO in y list

2015-09-01 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 9/1/2015 11:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 9/1/2015 9:03 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Huh. TIL the message box has a pending messages.
Any idea what the Edit Script button does?
...and yeah, I know I should just rtfm.


In the frontscript and backscript panes, you can select a line and when
you click "edit script" it opens that particular front/backscript. I
presume selecting any pending message will take you to the script that
sent the message -- only I can't catch it quick enough to select it. The
pane updates so often that any selection gets deselected before you can
reach the Edit Script button.



Um. Unless you uncheck "Auto Update". Duh.

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Re: SEND x TO in y list

2015-09-01 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 9/1/2015 9:03 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Huh. TIL the message box has a pending messages.
Any idea what the Edit Script button does?
...and yeah, I know I should just rtfm.


In the frontscript and backscript panes, you can select a line and when 
you click "edit script" it opens that particular front/backscript. I 
presume selecting any pending message will take you to the script that 
sent the message -- only I can't catch it quick enough to select it. The 
pane updates so often that any selection gets deselected before you can 
reach the Edit Script button.


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Re: SEND x TO in y list

2015-09-01 Thread Mark Wieder

On 09/01/2015 01:27 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


If you don't want to script something, an easy way is to click the
pending messages icon in the message box (fifth icon from the left.)


Huh. TIL the message box has a pending messages.
Any idea what the Edit Script button does?
...and yeah, I know I should just rtfm.

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Re: Release: 8.0 DP4... also, HTML5

2015-09-01 Thread Jerry Jensen
Thanks, Bob. Very informative to this total JS noob.
.Jerry

On Sep 1, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Bob Warren  wrote:
> 
> Please allow me to elucidate a little on the question of file I-O in the 
> local file system using Javascript, in the hope that it will be useful to 
> some of you, or that it might in some way influence what is/is not 
> implemented in LC8:
> 
> 1. A Javascript (or JQuery script) is able to upload data from a file 
> directly from the local file system, without operator intervention, AS LONG 
> AS IT IS AN XML file.
> 
> 2. There exists an "xmlWriter.js", but I haven't managed to get it to work 
> yet!
> 
> 3. If operator intervention is allowed, then dialogues (like LC "answer file" 
> dialogues) for uploading/downloading files from anywhere from/to the local 
> file system can be achieved in 2 ways that I know of:
> 
> (a) Using "Uploadify" and "Downloadify". (Require Flash) A bit of a pain in 
> the elbow to embed in your script though.
> (b) Using HTML5. (Flash not required). Easier to embed, but not quite so 
> direct in their usage of LC-style dialogues.
> 
> 
> 
> If anyone wants a demo of the XML upload, just drop me a line and I will send 
> it to you.
> If anyone knows how to get xmlWriter to work, I'd be grateful for a demo 
> script if you have one.
> For examples of Uploadify and Downloadify, see the 4 browser apps at:
> 
> http://www.howsoft.com/browserapps/
> 
> For an example of local file I-O using HTML5, see my unpublished app at:
> 
> http://www.howsoft.com/browserapps/quickinfo/
> 
> For information on embedding, just look at the script in the "developers" 
> menu of your browser. (Sorry about the "spaghetti coding: my GGgrandmother 
> was an Italian!)
> 
> I would like to emphasize that all the above concerns file I-O on the local 
> file system, NOT on a server, regardless of whether the script itself is on 
> the Internet or on the local machine.
> 
> For quite a long time, I have been trying to do everything in Javascript that 
> I am able to do in LC on the desktop.
> It ain't easy!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bob Warren



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Re: Release: 8.0 DP4... also, HTML5

2015-09-01 Thread Bob Warren

Fraser and Rolf wrote:


I am asking this because I could not get it to work form my Desktop OS
using it without a WebServer.


Some browsers (Chrome in particular, but all of them to some degree) have 
restrictive policies in place that prevent JavaScript (like the LiveCode 
engine) from accessing the local file system. There?s no way to work around 
this - it is a security feature to stop web apps from stealing your data. The 
HTML5 deployment guide has a section on how to use Python to run a local web 
server.

Fraser

Sorry I did not explain my question well enough. What I would like to know is,
can the -get URL- command be tested/used form the desktop at all ?

Without any Server !

I tried and nothing happened !


Cheers
Rolf

-
-

Please allow me to elucidate a little on the question of file I-O in the local 
file system using Javascript, in the hope that it will be useful to some of 
you, or that it might in some way influence what is/is not implemented in LC8:

1. A Javascript (or JQuery script) is able to upload data from a file directly 
from the local file system, without operator intervention, AS LONG AS IT IS AN 
XML file.

2. There exists an "xmlWriter.js", but I haven't managed to get it to work yet!

3. If operator intervention is allowed, then dialogues (like LC "answer file" 
dialogues) for uploading/downloading files from anywhere from/to the local file system 
can be achieved in 2 ways that I know of:

(a) Using "Uploadify" and "Downloadify". (Require Flash) A bit of a pain in the 
elbow to embed in your script though.
(b) Using HTML5. (Flash not required). Easier to embed, but not quite so direct 
in their usage of LC-style dialogues.



If anyone wants a demo of the XML upload, just drop me a line and I will send 
it to you.
If anyone knows how to get xmlWriter to work, I'd be grateful for a demo script 
if you have one.
For examples of Uploadify and Downloadify, see the 4 browser apps at:

http://www.howsoft.com/browserapps/

For an example of local file I-O using HTML5, see my unpublished app at:

http://www.howsoft.com/browserapps/quickinfo/

For information on embedding, just look at the script in the "developers" menu of 
your browser. (Sorry about the "spaghetti coding: my GGgrandmother was an Italian!)

I would like to emphasize that all the above concerns file I-O on the local 
file system, NOT on a server, regardless of whether the script itself is on the 
Internet or on the local machine.

For quite a long time, I have been trying to do everything in Javascript that I 
am able to do in LC on the desktop.
It ain't easy!

Regards,

Bob Warren




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Re: Disable combobox item

2015-09-01 Thread Peter Haworth
Thanks, I was afraid of that.  I specifically wanted to use a combobox so
users can key in new values, but I'll find some other way round it.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 6:18 PM  wrote:

> Peter.
>
>
> The issue is with combo boxes. The user guide says the tags and control
> characters do not render in Windows. They also do not render on a Mac.
>
>
> If you play around with any of those things, "!c", your "("  or whatever,
> in a pulldown. They all work fine.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Haworth 
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2015 6:38 pm
> Subject: Disable combobox item
>
>
> It appears that the "(" character before an item in a combobox does not
> disable
> it.  I couldn't find any reference to that being the case so is
> this the
> intended
> behavior?
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Re: Disable combobox item

2015-09-01 Thread dunbarx
Peter.


The issue is with combo boxes. The user guide says the tags and control 
characters do not render in Windows. They also do not render on a Mac.


If you play around with any of those things, "!c", your "("  or whatever, in a 
pulldown. They all work fine.


Craig



-Original Message-
From: Peter Haworth 
To: How to use LiveCode 
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2015 6:38 pm
Subject: Disable combobox item


It appears that the "(" character before an item in a combobox does not
disable
it.  I couldn't find any reference to that being the case so is
this the
intended
behavior?
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Re: Goodbye stsMLXEditor

2015-09-01 Thread Mark Wieder
Peter Haworth  writes:

>Did I miss that somewhere in the thread?

Nope. Just part of the oral history of the IDE.

> Perhaps the right way to do it would be to set explicitvars to the value of
> the strict compile mode option or provide an option within stsMXL itself.
> Unfortunately, don't have time to do that right now.

Well, I think the 'right' way would be for the IDE bugs to be fixed.
But yes, what you're suggesting would be the most compatible for folks
who do/don't use strict compilation mode.

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Re: Goodbye stsMLXEditor

2015-09-01 Thread Peter Haworth
Hah, thanks for that Mark.  You are correct, now I see the errors.  Did I
miss that somewhere in the thread?

Going back to the original issue, I guess I should track down the code in
the stsMXLEditor plugin that sets the script and set explicitvars before
and after it.  That will work for me because I use strict compile mode and
want these errors to show up but would cause a mess for folks who don't use
strict compile mode.

Perhaps the right way to do it would be to set explicitvars to the value of
the strict compile mode option or provide an option within stsMXL itself.
Unfortunately, don't have time to do that right now.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 3:53 PM Mark Wieder  wrote:

> Peter Haworth  writes:
>
> > Entered bug report 15849 for this.
>
> Thanks for filing that.
>
> What's going on is that the editor preference for 'Strict Compilation"
> doesn't do what you think it does. It only allows checking for errors
> in the IDE's script editor (which is why it's in the script editor prefs).
>
> What you really want to do is
> set explicitVars true
> before setting the script. Then you'll see the proper error result.
> Add this to the top of your mouseUp handler and see the difference.
>
> Why are there two settings?
>
> The IDE's system scripts are riddled with bugs. If explicitVars were
> enabled then errors would be seen and the team would have to fix them.
> This would take time away from adding bloat^H^Hnew features.
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Re: Goodbye stsMLXEditor

2015-09-01 Thread Mark Wieder
Peter Haworth  writes:

> Entered bug report 15849 for this.

Thanks for filing that.

What's going on is that the editor preference for 'Strict Compilation"
doesn't do what you think it does. It only allows checking for errors
in the IDE's script editor (which is why it's in the script editor prefs).

What you really want to do is
set explicitVars true
before setting the script. Then you'll see the proper error result.
Add this to the top of your mouseUp handler and see the difference.

Why are there two settings?

The IDE's system scripts are riddled with bugs. If explicitVars were
enabled then errors would be seen and the team would have to fix them.
This would take time away from adding bloat^H^Hnew features.

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Disable combobox item

2015-09-01 Thread Peter Haworth
It appears that the "(" character before an item in a combobox does not
disable it.  I couldn't find any reference to that being the case so is
this the intended behavior?
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Re: SEND x TO in y list

2015-09-01 Thread Mike Kerner
thanks, y'all

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Ali Lloyd  wrote:

> the pendingMessages is your friend ;-)
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 7:51 PM Mike Kerner 
> wrote:
>
> > Is there any way to see which events I've scheduled with SEND?
> >
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Re: SEND x TO in y list

2015-09-01 Thread J. Landman Gay

Mike Kerner wrote:


Is there any way to see which events I've scheduled with SEND?


If you don't want to script something, an easy way is to click the 
pending messages icon in the message box (fifth icon from the left.)


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Re: Goodbye stsMLXEditor

2015-09-01 Thread Peter Haworth
Entered bug report 15849 for this.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:44 PM Peter Haworth  wrote:

> Will do, should have it in there tomorrow.
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:07 PM Kay C Lan 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Peter Haworth  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I plan to try to reproduce the issue where strict compile errors are not
>> > detected by a set script statement and submit it as a bug.
>> >
>> > Thanks Pete, I'm sure you'll post the number here so we can add our
>> comments.
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Re: SEND x TO in y list

2015-09-01 Thread Ali Lloyd
the pendingMessages is your friend ;-)

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 7:51 PM Mike Kerner 
wrote:

> Is there any way to see which events I've scheduled with SEND?
>
> --
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Re: SEND x TO in y list

2015-09-01 Thread dunbarx
Hi.


Do you mean the "pendingMessages"?


Craig



-Original Message-
From: Mike Kerner 
To: How to use LiveCode 
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2015 2:52 pm
Subject: SEND x TO in y list


Is there any way to see which events I've scheduled with SEND?

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first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
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and did a little diving.
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Re: SEND x TO in y list

2015-09-01 Thread Alex Tweedly

pendingMessages

not just the one you've sent, all pending ones - so you need to filter 
through them for the one(s) of interest


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On 01/09/2015 19:51, Mike Kerner wrote:

Is there any way to see which events I've scheduled with SEND?




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Re: LCB API's

2015-09-01 Thread Mike Kerner
There are at least three bug reports on the dictionary size, geometry, and
behavior on resizing, and they have been accepted.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:11 PM, BNig  wrote:

> Klaus major-k wrote
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> >> Am 01.09.2015 um 15:23 schrieb Peter W A Wood <
>
> > peterwawood@
>
> > >:
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>> On 31 Aug 2015, at 23:40, Peter TB Brett <
>
> > peter.brett@
>
> > > wrote:
> >>> If you go into the dictionary in the IDE, there's a drop down menu at
> >>> the top left.
> >> Not in LiveCode 8 DP 4 it seems.
> >
> > resize the dictionary window a couple of times generously, that worked
> for
> > me,
> > suddenly the mentioned drop-down and much more appeared in the stack :-D
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Klaus
>
> Rezising did the trick! Thank you Klaus, now I can use the dictionary of
> LC8
> DP4, it just did not feel right to use the DP2 dictionary :))
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>
>
>
>
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SEND x TO in y list

2015-09-01 Thread Mike Kerner
Is there any way to see which events I've scheduled with SEND?

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Re: LC 8, Clor Swatch

2015-09-01 Thread Klaus major-k
Hi Ali,

> Am 01.09.2015 um 20:34 schrieb Ali Lloyd :
> 
> I'm not sure that it has much general utility really, but nevertheless the
> fact that it is missing docs is a bug, thanks!
> It has only one property, swatchColor, which takes a three or four item
> RGB(A) string for its color (each between 0 and 255), or 'empty' for no
> color in which case it shows a diagonal red line across it.
> It is used in the IDE for color properties in the property inspector.

thanks, so „swatchColor“ was themissing link for me :-)

> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 6:31 PM Klaus major-k  wrote:
> 
>> Hi friends,
>> can someone give me a hint on how to use the new „Color Swatch“ widget?
>> The dictionary only shows some Copyright notes.
>> I must be missing something, thanks for any hints!

Best

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Re: LC 8, Clor Swatch

2015-09-01 Thread Ali Lloyd
I'm not sure that it has much general utility really, but nevertheless the
fact that it is missing docs is a bug, thanks!

It has only one property, swatchColor, which takes a three or four item
RGB(A) string for its color (each between 0 and 255), or 'empty' for no
color in which case it shows a diagonal red line across it.

It is used in the IDE for color properties in the property inspector.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 6:31 PM Klaus major-k  wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> can someone give me a hint on how to use the new „Color Swatch“ widget?
> The dictionary only shows some Copyright notes.
>
> I must be missing something, thanks for any hints!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
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> http://www.major-k.de
> kl...@major-k.de
>
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Re: Does anyone feel like updating the LiveCode page on Wikipedia?

2015-09-01 Thread Devin Asay
Updating the versions section now. I noticed that none of the release notes for 
the latest versions (6.7 and higher) say Mac Yosemite is supported, although I 
know lots of people, including me, are using LC on Yosemite. Is this just an 
oversight in the docs, or is Yosemite not officially supported?

Devin

> On Sep 1, 2015, at 3:41 AM, Peter TB Brett  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We've noticed that the LiveCode Wikipedia 
>  page is a little bit out of date.  
> Actually, it's not a little bit out of date -- it's **very** out of date!
> 
> Due to Wikipedia's "Neutral Point of View" rules 
>  we [i.e. 
> people who work for LiveCode] can't update it ourselves.
> 
> Is there anyone in the community who would be willing to freshen it up a bit, 
> please?
> 
> Peter
> 
> -- 
> Dr Peter Brett 
> LiveCode Open Source Team
> 
> LiveCode on reddit: https://reddit.com/r/livecode
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Re: [OT] Atom Text Editor for Script Editiing - First Impressions

2015-09-01 Thread Roger Eller
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Ralf Bitter  wrote:

>
> Assuming you did choose the revIgniter theme from
> the "Syntax Theme" dropdown in the "Themes" section
> of the preferences I have no clue what's going on.
>
> Ralf
>
>
It wasn't working for a mouseUp handler, but when I deleted that and
wrapped the script in

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Re: HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread Rolf Kocherhans
On all my Systems I only get the -hair- cursor, no arrow or hand cursor !

Does anyone see other cursors ?

Cheers
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Re: AW: Installer maker window keeps blank on OS X

2015-09-01 Thread J. Landman Gay
Have you contacted the installer maker author? It sounds like it is 
aborting a script or can't load data, or something similar.


On 9/1/2015 7:54 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

I am still completely puzzled, what is going on that Mac. I have never seen
such a behavior. The first window of the installer program just keeps empty,
no control/button is shown, neither the text field, which usually is there.
I am almost sure, that it is any wired thing on the customers Mac, but the
customer, as always swears, that all other programs could be installed and
run without any problem, so it must be my crappy program.

Has anybody ever seen such a behavior on a Mac or any idea, what to check
for on that Mac, before I refund the price for my not working program to
that customer? I have no idea in which direction I could investigate.

Thanks for any ideas
Tiemo


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von Tiemo Hollmann TB
Gesendet: Montag, 31. August 2015 13:44
An: LiveCode User Liste senden 
Betreff: Installer maker window keeps blank on OS X

Hello,



I am packaging my OS X program with installer maker and codesign it. It
works fine at all customers beside of one.

Now a customer with OS X 10.9.5 tells me that she opens my installer and he
gets only a blank white window. The window has my text in the title bar, but
not text or any buttons like cancel or next in the window, so she can't go
on to install my program, only close it by the red cross.



I have checked, if it has anything to do with the security settings (install
apps only from.), but nothing changes in the weird behavior of the
installer, changing the security setting. The user has admin rights.



Has anybody ever seen such a behavior, perhaps with any other program or any
idea, what to check for on this machine? What could go wrong here?



Thanks for any ideas

Tiemo





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Re: Release: 8.0 DP4... also, HTML5

2015-09-01 Thread Rolf Kocherhans
@ Fraser


> Am 01.09.2015 um 17:47 schrieb use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com:
> 
>> I am asking this because I could not get it to work form my Desktop OS
>> using it without a WebServer.
> 
> Some browsers (Chrome in particular, but all of them to some degree) have 
> restrictive policies in place that prevent JavaScript (like the LiveCode 
> engine) from accessing the local file system. There?s no way to work around 
> this - it is a security feature to stop web apps from stealing your data. The 
> HTML5 deployment guide has a section on how to use Python to run a local web 
> server.
> 
> Fraser

Sorry I did not explain my question well enough. What I would like to know is,
can the -get URL- command be tested/used form the desktop at all ?

Without any Server !

I tried and nothing happened !


Cheers
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Re: HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread Rolf Kocherhans
The color change is consistent in all Browsers on OS X.
I did quite a lot of testing today and found that Graphic Objects created with 
LiveCode
have correct colors, but imported pictures (any kind gif,png etc.) are all 
wrong.

> Am 01.09.2015 um 17:47 schrieb use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com:
> 
> That?s entirely possible - there are some byte-ordering issues (RGB vs BGA 
> for images would case colour swapping) with the HTML5 engine at the moment. 
> Is it the same in all browsers or does it work in some and not in others?
> 
> Fraser

Cheers
Rolf
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LC 8, Clor Swatch

2015-09-01 Thread Klaus major-k
Hi friends,

can someone give me a hint on how to use the new „Color Swatch“ widget?
The dictionary only shows some Copyright notes.

I must be missing something, thanks for any hints!


Best

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Re: [OT] Atom Text Editor for Script Editiing - First Impressions

2015-09-01 Thread Ralf Bitter

> On 01.09.2015, at 19:02, Roger Eller  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Ralf Bitter  wrote:
> 
>> 
> Did you install and enable the revIgniter theme?
> 
> Ralf
> 
 
 No.  Where do I get it?
 
>>> 
>>> I have downloaded the zip of v0.1.2, but it's not obvious to me how to
>>> install a theme.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Roger
>> 
>> no separate download needed. You can install themes (and packages)
>> within Atom in the "Install" section of the preferences.
>> 
>> 
>> Ralf
>> 
>> 
> Well that was easy!  But it still isn't colorizing.


Assuming you did choose the revIgniter theme from
the "Syntax Theme" dropdown in the "Themes" section
of the preferences I have no clue what's going on.

Ralf

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Re: Using Social Media

2015-09-01 Thread Dan Friedman
Alan,

Yes, mergSocial would probably work, for iOS.  Monte has no solution for 
Android.  Clients needs both iOS and Android.  Probably need some type of 
server side process to handle this?

-Dan



> Hi Dan
> 
> For FB + Twitter I use one of Monte’s externals (mergext.com) - either 
> mergSocial or mergPop I think. Can post both pic + text.
> 
> Would be keen to hear of any Instagram solution!
> 
> cheers
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
>> 3) Post that photo to the user's Facebook, Instagram and/or Twitter account 
>> with a specific hashtag.
>> 
>> Step 1 and 2 are easy.  Step three, on the other hand... not so much.  Can 
>> this be done?  And, if so, can anyone point me in the right direction?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,

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Re: LCB API's

2015-09-01 Thread BNig
Klaus major-k wrote
> Hi Peter,
> 
>> Am 01.09.2015 um 15:23 schrieb Peter W A Wood <

> peterwawood@

> >:
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 31 Aug 2015, at 23:40, Peter TB Brett <

> peter.brett@

> > wrote:
>>> If you go into the dictionary in the IDE, there's a drop down menu at
>>> the top left.  
>> Not in LiveCode 8 DP 4 it seems.
> 
> resize the dictionary window a couple of times generously, that worked for
> me,
> suddenly the mentioned drop-down and much more appeared in the stack :-D
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus

Rezising did the trick! Thank you Klaus, now I can use the dictionary of LC8
DP4, it just did not feel right to use the DP2 dictionary :))

Kind regards
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Open Monthly online Webinars on LiveCode

2015-09-01 Thread Todd Fabacher
Here is the Google Hangout On Air. Thursday @ 13:00 New York time est. I
will be putting the Presentation and the code on Google Drive. The video is
posted to YouTube automatically for instant viewing after the hangout:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVJd2h9Ht_M

Create a LiveCode Cloud Server in 6 Steps in 60 Minutes
This will be an online demonstration in how to create a cloud server using
LiveCode in 60 minutes.
  Step 1 - Setting up a web server with revIgniter & LiveCode
  Step 2 - Understanding Control + Model + View development
  Step 3 - Designing the 2 Views  for the Web and App
  Step 4 - Creating a data Model
  Step 5 - Coding the Controller and Web View
  Step 6 - REST API and mobile Apps

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Re: [OT] Atom Text Editor for Script Editiing - First Impressions

2015-09-01 Thread Roger Eller
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Ralf Bitter  wrote:

>
> >>> Did you install and enable the revIgniter theme?
> >>>
> >>> Ralf
> >>>
> >>
> >> No.  Where do I get it?
> >>
> >
> > I have downloaded the zip of v0.1.2, but it's not obvious to me how to
> > install a theme.
>
>
> Hi Roger
>
> no separate download needed. You can install themes (and packages)
> within Atom in the "Install" section of the preferences.
>
>
> Ralf
>
>
 Well that was easy!  But it still isn't colorizing.
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Re: [OT] Atom Text Editor for Script Editiing - First Impressions

2015-09-01 Thread Richard Gaskin

Kay C Lan wrote:

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
What is your favorite Text Editor?

BareBones' BBEdit, but it's FREE little brother TextWrangler would filfill
all LC Script Editoring tasks. OS X only I'm afraid.

http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/download.html

I always thought that BareBones was a bit of a tongue in cheek
understatement for such a full featured Text Editor but when I compare the
22MB BBedit to Atom's 208MB maybe the BareBones is justified :-)


Ah, yes, I know it well.  Back when I was working exclusively on OS X it 
was my favorite editor too.  Very nice editor, almost too good, since it 
was feature-complete enough that I never felt the need to consider 
upgrading to BBEdit.


When I was splitting my time somewhat equally between OS X and Ubuntu I 
started out trying editors available for all three platforms (I need to 
work in Windows now and then too), but at the time there were few, and 
while Bluefish may have been one of the best of those available for all 
three it wasn't up to what I was used to.


Now that the majority of my time is spent in Ubuntu I've been enjoying 
Geany, but my longing for a multi-platform text editor has me 
considering dusting off the various editors I've built in LC over the 
years and getting around to finishing one of them.


I'll keep that as a back-burner option for now, though, until we hear 
back from the team on their plans for the optimizations needed in the LC 
SE.  I trust they'll want to deliver a great experience for new users 
long before they'll be in a position to be able to afford to rewrite the 
entire field object as a Widget, and that'll help us a lot too.


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Re: LCB API's

2015-09-01 Thread Ali Lloyd
Probably instead of dots we would just display the whole syntax then, since
delete element *Start* to *Finish* of *Target *
would be just as illustrative but showing the parameter names as well.

I guess ideally it would be something snappier, in the same way that in the
script dictionary we have
Name: answer file
Syntax: answer file[s]  [with ] [titled ]
[as sheet]


I think having the library name might also be confusing if it was enclosed
in square brackets as this is the syntax specification for an optional
token in the script dictionary.

Is there a problem with:

 /LeftList/ is /RightList/
 /LeftString/ is /RightString/
 /LeftNumber/ is /RightNumber/
 /LeftBoolean/ is /RightBoolean/
 /LeftData/ is /RightData/

?

Needle is just a general term occasionally used for the thing being
searched for within something else (the Haystack). Possibly that would be
clearer if the other variable were called Haystack. (eg
http://php.net/strstr)


On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 3:42 PM jameshale  wrote:

> In the .mlc file an example syntax definition is of the form:
>
>  "delete" "element"  "of" 
>
> where the verbs, for want of a better term, are quoted.
>
> Why can't these be the name that is shown in bold at the top of the entry?
>
> So in the above example the entry would have at the top
> *delete element...of*
>
> The listing entry in the top pane could remain as is or duplicate this with
> the addition of the .mlc file from which it comes.
> say (as well as next entry)
>
>delete element...of [lists]
>delete element...to...of   [lists]
>
> The "is" operator would be shown as
>is[com.livecode.string]
>is[com.livecode.list]
>is[com.livecode.arithmetic]
>is[com.livecode.logic]
>is[com.livecode.binary]
>
> instead of...
> /Left/ is /Right/
> /Left/ is /Right/
> /Left/ is /Right/
> /Left/ is /Right/
> /Left/ is /Right/
>
>
> The current name could then be called something closer to what it is like
> "engine pseudonym" (just kidding) or something.
>
> "Needle" seems to be a pseudonym for "expression" which is OK just seems
> unneeded.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Does anyone feel like updating the LiveCode page on Wikipedia?

2015-09-01 Thread AndyP
Hi Peter,

I'm willing to do some work on it.

Is there anything in particular which should be priority?

email me at m...@andypiddock.co.uk




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Copy the new cloud space, get your free 15GB space now:
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Re: Using Social Media

2015-09-01 Thread Alan Stenhouse
Hi Dan

For FB + Twitter I use one of Monte’s externals (mergext.com) - either 
mergSocial or mergPop I think. Can post both pic + text.

Would be keen to hear of any Instagram solution!

cheers

Alan

On 1 Sep 2015, at 5:47 pm, Dan Friedman  wrote:

> 3) Post that photo to the user's Facebook, Instagram and/or Twitter account 
> with a specific hashtag.
> 
> Step 1 and 2 are easy.  Step three, on the other hand... not so much.  Can 
> this be done?  And, if so, can anyone point me in the right direction?
> 
> Thanks in advance,


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Re: LCB API's

2015-09-01 Thread Klaus major-k
Hi Peter,

> Am 01.09.2015 um 15:23 schrieb Peter W A Wood :
> 
> Peter
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2015, at 23:40, Peter TB Brett  wrote:
>> If you go into the dictionary in the IDE, there's a drop down menu at the 
>> top left.  
> Not in LiveCode 8 DP 4 it seems.

resize the dictionary window a couple of times generously, that worked for me,
suddenly the mentioned drop-down and much more appeared in the stack :-D

> Regards
> 
> Peter

Best

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Using Social Media

2015-09-01 Thread Dan Friedman
I have a client who want their mobile app (for iOS and Android) to:

(1) Take a picture (a selfie).
(2) Put a watermark on the photo.
(3) Post that photo to the user's Facebook, Instagram and/or Twitter account 
with a specific hashtag.

Step 1 and 2 are easy.  Step three, on the other hand... not so much.  Can this 
be done?  And, if so, can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks in advance,
-Dan
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AW: AW: Installer maker window keeps blank on OS X

2015-09-01 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hi Paul,
thanks for your interesting experience. I already asked for an anti virus at
the first contact, which was negated, but now I will ask again a bit more
detailed.
Tiemo

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Betreff: Re: AW: Installer maker window keeps blank on OS X

On 9/1/2015 8:54 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> I am still completely puzzled, what is going on that Mac. I have never 
> seen such a behavior. The first window of the installer program just 
> keeps empty, no control/button is shown, neither the text field, which
usually is there.
> I am almost sure, that it is any wired thing on the customers Mac, but 
> the customer, as always swears, that all other programs could be 
> installed and run without any problem, so it must be my crappy program.
>
> Has anybody ever seen such a behavior on a Mac or any idea, what to 
> check for on that Mac, before I refund the price for my not working 
> program to that customer? I have no idea in which direction I could
investigate.
>
> Thanks for any ideas
> Tiemo
>
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im 
> Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB
> Gesendet: Montag, 31. August 2015 13:44
> An: LiveCode User Liste senden 
> Betreff: Installer maker window keeps blank on OS X
>
> Hello,
>
>  
>
> I am packaging my OS X program with installer maker and codesign it. 
> It works fine at all customers beside of one.
>
> Now a customer with OS X 10.9.5 tells me that she opens my installer 
> and he gets only a blank white window. The window has my text in the 
> title bar, but not text or any buttons like cancel or next in the 
> window, so she can't go on to install my program, only close it by the red
cross.
>
>  
>
> I have checked, if it has anything to do with the security settings 
> (install apps only from.), but nothing changes in the weird behavior 
> of the installer, changing the security setting. The user has admin
rights.
>
>  
>
> Has anybody ever seen such a behavior, perhaps with any other program 
> or any idea, what to check for on this machine? What could go wrong here?
>
>  
>
> Thanks for any ideas
>

Have you asked what is any antivirus software your customer has on that Mac?

I suggest this because, I run Norton AV on Windows and it has stopped newer
version of LiveCode itself from running as it sometimes thinks some parts of
LC are malware with similar symptoms - often when trying to popup an open or
save file dialog which ends up blank. Norton then pops up a warning screen
asking if you want the malware removed to allow to continue. Clicking
continue lets LC complete it's task, but if the use never saw any AV alert,
they may just stare at the blank dialog.

I have not had this happen with a Standalone - only with LC itself - but you
asked for any ideas.

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Re: HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread Roger Eller
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Fraser Gordon 
wrote:

>
> I’d be curious to hear if anyone has had a go with Opera or the Android
> browser?
>
> Fraser
>
>
My preferred browser if Dolphin for Android.  I like that (especially on a
tablet) you can edit an advanced setting to enable Desktop as the device so
you get the non-mobile websites.  Funny thing, in this mode, it announces
itself as Safari on a Mac.  It downloaded and said "running", but never
showed anything.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.mgeek.TunnyBrowser

Bernd's puzzle would only run in Chrome on the Galaxy 6 edge though.
http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/colorpuzzleLC8/colorpuzzle.html

~Roger
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Re: HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread Colin Holgate
I just tried the Silk browser on Fire HDX, it gives the Javascript error that 
Edge and IE 11 give. The Opera browser on Mac shows the same color issues.

As an aside, Opera and Chrome are the worst performance. Safari and Firefox are 
better.


> On Sep 1, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Fraser Gordon  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 1 Sep 2015, at 15:23, Colin Holgate  wrote:
> 
>> Same color error in Safari, Chrome, Firefox on Mac, Chrome and Firefox under 
>> Windows 10, and Safari on iPad. Edge and IE 11 give Javascript errors when 
>> trying to load the page.
> 
> Thanks for the info. Consistently-wrong beats randomly-wrong any day (at 
> least for fixing bugs…). 
> 
> Every browser seems to implement a different portion of the HTML5 standard 
> and we’ve been focusing on a small number of browsers initially, with support 
> for more to come later. I’d be curious to hear if anyone has had a go with 
> Opera or the Android browser?
> 
> Fraser
> 
> 
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Re: LCB API's

2015-09-01 Thread jameshale
In the .mlc file an example syntax definition is of the form:

 "delete" "element"  "of" 

where the verbs, for want of a better term, are quoted.

Why can't these be the name that is shown in bold at the top of the entry?

So in the above example the entry would have at the top
*delete element...of*

The listing entry in the top pane could remain as is or duplicate this with
the addition of the .mlc file from which it comes. 
say (as well as next entry) 

   delete element...of [lists]
   delete element...to...of   [lists]

The "is" operator would be shown as
   is[com.livecode.string]
   is[com.livecode.list]
   is[com.livecode.arithmetic]
   is[com.livecode.logic]
   is[com.livecode.binary]

instead of...
/Left/ is /Right/
/Left/ is /Right/
/Left/ is /Right/
/Left/ is /Right/
/Left/ is /Right/


The current name could then be called something closer to what it is like
"engine pseudonym" (just kidding) or something.

"Needle" seems to be a pseudonym for "expression" which is OK just seems
unneeded. 

Thoughts?






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Re: HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread Fraser Gordon

On 1 Sep 2015, at 15:23, Colin Holgate  wrote:

> Same color error in Safari, Chrome, Firefox on Mac, Chrome and Firefox under 
> Windows 10, and Safari on iPad. Edge and IE 11 give Javascript errors when 
> trying to load the page.

Thanks for the info. Consistently-wrong beats randomly-wrong any day (at least 
for fixing bugs…). 

Every browser seems to implement a different portion of the HTML5 standard and 
we’ve been focusing on a small number of browsers initially, with support for 
more to come later. I’d be curious to hear if anyone has had a go with Opera or 
the Android browser?

Fraser


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Re: Release: 8.0 DP4... also, HTML5

2015-09-01 Thread Fraser Gordon

On 1 Sep 2015, at 15:14, Rolf Kocherhans  wrote:

> Does “get URL“ work from everywhere or only on a Server when I am
> hosting the LCWebApp ?
> 
>> Am 31.08.2015 um 18:55 schrieb use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com:
>> 
>> - no networking except ?get url?
> 
> I am asking this because I could not get it to work form my Desktop OS
> using it without a WebServer.

Some browsers (Chrome in particular, but all of them to some degree) have 
restrictive policies in place that prevent JavaScript (like the LiveCode 
engine) from accessing the local file system. There’s no way to work around 
this - it is a security feature to stop web apps from stealing your data. The 
HTML5 deployment guide has a section on how to use Python to run a local web 
server.

Fraser


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Re: [OT] Atom Text Editor for Script Editiing - First Impressions

2015-09-01 Thread Ralf Bitter

> On 01.09.2015, at 16:08, Roger Eller  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Roger Eller 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Ralf Bitter  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
 On 01.09.2015, at 15:44, Roger Eller 
>>> wrote:
 
 Colorization is not working though.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Did you install and enable the revIgniter theme?
>>> 
>>> Ralf
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> No.  Where do I get it?
>> 
> 
> I have downloaded the zip of v0.1.2, but it's not obvious to me how to
> install a theme.


Hi Roger

no separate download needed. You can install themes (and packages)
within Atom in the "Install" section of the preferences.


Ralf

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Re: HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread Colin Holgate
Same color error in Safari, Chrome, Firefox on Mac, Chrome and Firefox under 
Windows 10, and Safari on iPad. Edge and IE 11 give Javascript errors when 
trying to load the page.


> On Sep 1, 2015, at 9:58 AM, Fraser Gordon  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 1 Sep 2015, at 14:44, BNig  wrote:
> 
>> Colin Holgate-3 wrote
>>> Run the stack in LiveCode, do the colors look exactly the same as when you
>>> look at the HTML5 one in Safari?
>>> 
>>> It could be that the color errors only affect bitmaps.
>> 
>> I ran the stack and the browser version of the stack side by side and the
>> colors are identical.
>> 
>> So it may well be that for images there is a color problem
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
>> Bernd
> 
> That’s entirely possible - there are some byte-ordering issues (RGB vs BGA 
> for images would case colour swapping) with the HTML5 engine at the moment. 
> Is it the same in all browsers or does it work in some and not in others?
> 
> Fraser
> 
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Re: Release: 8.0 DP4... also, HTML5

2015-09-01 Thread Rolf Kocherhans
Does “get URL“ work from everywhere or only on a Server when I am
hosting the LCWebApp ?

> Am 31.08.2015 um 18:55 schrieb use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com:
> 
> - no networking except ?get url?

I am asking this because I could not get it to work form my Desktop OS
using it without a WebServer.

Cheers
Rolf
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Re: [OT] Atom Text Editor for Script Editiing - First Impressions

2015-09-01 Thread Roger Eller
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Roger Eller 
wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Ralf Bitter  wrote:
>
>>
>> > On 01.09.2015, at 15:44, Roger Eller 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Colorization is not working though.
>>
>>
>> Did you install and enable the revIgniter theme?
>>
>> Ralf
>>
>
>
> No.  Where do I get it?
>

I have downloaded the zip of v0.1.2, but it's not obvious to me how to
install a theme.
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Re: [OT] Atom Text Editor for Script Editiing - First Impressions

2015-09-01 Thread Roger Eller
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Ralf Bitter  wrote:

>
> > On 01.09.2015, at 15:44, Roger Eller 
> wrote:
> >
> > Colorization is not working though.
>
>
> Did you install and enable the revIgniter theme?
>
> Ralf
>


No.  Where do I get it?
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Re: HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread Fraser Gordon

On 1 Sep 2015, at 14:44, BNig  wrote:

> Colin Holgate-3 wrote
>> Run the stack in LiveCode, do the colors look exactly the same as when you
>> look at the HTML5 one in Safari?
>> 
>> It could be that the color errors only affect bitmaps.
> 
> I ran the stack and the browser version of the stack side by side and the
> colors are identical.
> 
> So it may well be that for images there is a color problem
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Bernd

That’s entirely possible - there are some byte-ordering issues (RGB vs BGA for 
images would case colour swapping) with the HTML5 engine at the moment. Is it 
the same in all browsers or does it work in some and not in others?

Fraser


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Re: [OT] Atom Text Editor for Script Editiing - First Impressions

2015-09-01 Thread Ralf Bitter

> On 01.09.2015, at 15:44, Roger Eller  wrote:
> 
> I just typed swi (tab) and it gave me:
>switch switchExpression
>  case caseValue
># code...
>  break
>  default
>  # code...
>end switch
> 
> Colorization is not working though.


Did you install and enable the revIgniter theme?

Ralf

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Re: HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread BNig
Colin Holgate-3 wrote
> Run the stack in LiveCode, do the colors look exactly the same as when you
> look at the HTML5 one in Safari?
> 
> It could be that the color errors only affect bitmaps.

I ran the stack and the browser version of the stack side by side and the
colors are identical.

So it may well be that for images there is a color problem

Kind regards

Bernd



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Re: [OT] Atom Text Editor for Script Editiing - First Impressions

2015-09-01 Thread Ralf Bitter

You are right, I use custom packages, mainly to keep
revIgniter stuff separat from LiveCode server syntax.
But I disabled my packages, enabled the one provided
by Peter Brett, restarted Atom and the snippet was there.

So, assuming you use the latest version (0.5.1) I am at a loss.

Ralf


> On 01.09.2015, at 15:18, Kay C Lan  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> actually there is a snippet for "switch", so
>> typing "s", "sw", "swi" etc. followed by a tab
>> should work, really.
>> 
> 
> Sorry Ralf, not seeing it. I thought maybe it was a bit slow, but 'if' and
> 'repeat' come up quite quickly. I know how they work and I get nothing.
> Maybe you manually entered yours and have forgotten about it. If you go to
> your snippet pane and 'switch' is there then it means you've manually
> entered it - if and repeat are not there because they must be part of the
> language package.


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Re: [OT] Atom Text Editor for Script Editiing - First Impressions

2015-09-01 Thread Roger Eller
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Kay C Lan  wrote:

> Bernd, yes Peter B and Andy P do deserve the credit for some excellent
> work.
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Ralf Bitter  wrote:
>
> >
> > actually there is a snippet for "switch", so
> > typing "s", "sw", "swi" etc. followed by a tab
> > should work, really.
> >
>
> Sorry Ralf, not seeing it. I thought maybe it was a bit slow, but 'if' and
> 'repeat' come up quite quickly. I know how they work and I get nothing.
> Maybe you manually entered yours and have forgotten about it. If you go to
> your snippet pane and 'switch' is there then it means you've manually
> entered it - if and repeat are not there because they must be part of the
> language package.
>
>
I just typed swi (tab) and it gave me:
switch switchExpression
  case caseValue
# code...
  break
  default
  # code...
end switch

Colorization is not working though.
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Re: HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread Colin Holgate
Run the stack in LiveCode, do the colors look exactly the same as when you look 
at the HTML5 one in Safari?

It could be that the color errors only affect bitmaps.


> On Sep 1, 2015, at 9:13 AM, BNig  wrote:
> 
> Colin Holgate-3 wrote
>> Do your colors look as intended?
> 
> I don't know what you see but on my desktop Mac running 10.9.5 and Safari
> 7.1.8 they look as intended.
> Those are all graphics filled on the fly.
> 
> I can not get this to work on my iPad 3 running iOS 8.1
> 
> Kind regards
> Bernd
> 
> 
> 
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Re: AW: Installer maker window keeps blank on OS X

2015-09-01 Thread Paul Dupuis
On 9/1/2015 8:54 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> I am still completely puzzled, what is going on that Mac. I have never seen
> such a behavior. The first window of the installer program just keeps empty,
> no control/button is shown, neither the text field, which usually is there.
> I am almost sure, that it is any wired thing on the customers Mac, but the
> customer, as always swears, that all other programs could be installed and
> run without any problem, so it must be my crappy program.
>
> Has anybody ever seen such a behavior on a Mac or any idea, what to check
> for on that Mac, before I refund the price for my not working program to
> that customer? I have no idea in which direction I could investigate.
>
> Thanks for any ideas
> Tiemo
>
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
> von Tiemo Hollmann TB
> Gesendet: Montag, 31. August 2015 13:44
> An: LiveCode User Liste senden 
> Betreff: Installer maker window keeps blank on OS X
>
> Hello,
>
>  
>
> I am packaging my OS X program with installer maker and codesign it. It
> works fine at all customers beside of one.
>
> Now a customer with OS X 10.9.5 tells me that she opens my installer and he
> gets only a blank white window. The window has my text in the title bar, but
> not text or any buttons like cancel or next in the window, so she can't go
> on to install my program, only close it by the red cross.
>
>  
>
> I have checked, if it has anything to do with the security settings (install
> apps only from.), but nothing changes in the weird behavior of the
> installer, changing the security setting. The user has admin rights.
>
>  
>
> Has anybody ever seen such a behavior, perhaps with any other program or any
> idea, what to check for on this machine? What could go wrong here?
>
>  
>
> Thanks for any ideas
>

Have you asked what is any antivirus software your customer has on that Mac?

I suggest this because, I run Norton AV on Windows and it has stopped
newer version of LiveCode itself from running as it sometimes thinks
some parts of LC are malware with similar symptoms - often when trying
to popup an open or save file dialog which ends up blank. Norton then
pops up a warning screen asking if you want the malware removed to allow
to continue. Clicking continue lets LC complete it's task, but if the
use never saw any AV alert, they may just stare at the blank dialog.

I have not had this happen with a Standalone - only with LC itself - but
you asked for any ideas.

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Re: LCB API's

2015-09-01 Thread Peter W A Wood
Peter

> On 31 Aug 2015, at 23:40, Peter TB Brett  wrote:
> 
> If you go into the dictionary in the IDE, there's a drop down menu at the top 
> left.  

Not in LiveCode 8 DP 4 it seems.

Regards

Peter


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Re: HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread BNig
Colin Holgate-3 wrote
> Do your colors look as intended?

I don't know what you see but on my desktop Mac running 10.9.5 and Safari
7.1.8 they look as intended.
Those are all graphics filled on the fly.

I can not get this to work on my iPad 3 running iOS 8.1

Kind regards
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Re: [OT] Atom Text Editor for Script Editiing - First Impressions

2015-09-01 Thread Kay C Lan
Bernd, yes Peter B and Andy P do deserve the credit for some excellent work.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Ralf Bitter  wrote:

>
> actually there is a snippet for "switch", so
> typing "s", "sw", "swi" etc. followed by a tab
> should work, really.
>

Sorry Ralf, not seeing it. I thought maybe it was a bit slow, but 'if' and
'repeat' come up quite quickly. I know how they work and I get nothing.
Maybe you manually entered yours and have forgotten about it. If you go to
your snippet pane and 'switch' is there then it means you've manually
entered it - if and repeat are not there because they must be part of the
language package.
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Re: HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread Colin Holgate
Do your colors look as intended?


> On Sep 1, 2015, at 6:10 AM, BNig  wrote:
> 
> Hi Colin,
> 
> seeing your example I just took a stack I posted on livecodeshare
> http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/445/Colorpuzzle
> and knowing nothing about HTML I just made a HTML5 standalone
> 
> It worked surprisingly well. Amazing, just converting it to HTML5 was only
> compile time.
> 
> The stack lets you pick a color from the bottom pane and then this color
> sticks to the cursor and you move it to the top pane to match the color and
> click again. Then you either have a hit or a miss. Counter work.
> The interface (sticking color square) was intended for touch devices.
> The 3 right sided sliders let you adjust the colors to make it more
> difficult/easier. Just play with them.
> Some elements like buttons/sliders don't look quite right but basically it
> works.
> Tested in Safari.
> 
> here is the link to the HTML5 version
> --
> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/colorpuzzleLC8/colorpuzzle.html
> --
> Kind regards
> 
> Bernd
> 
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Re: [OT] Atom Text Editor for Script Editiing - First Impressions

2015-09-01 Thread Ralf Bitter

> On 01.09.2015, at 05:44, Kay C Lan  wrote:
> 
> 6) Boilerplates. If you type 'if' or 'repeat' you are offered up an
> autocomplete. For some reason 'switch' is not included but then again in my
> TE I had to manually add the if and repeat boilerplates, Atom comes with
> these pre-installed. So all I have to do is add a couple of switch
> 'snippets' - the term Atom uses for boilerplates.


Hi Kay,

actually there is a snippet for "switch", so
typing "s", "sw", "swi" etc. followed by a tab
should work, really. Then a placeholder for the
switch expression is selected. Subsequent
tabs select the first case value, the related
line of code and the placeholder for the
"default" code .


Ralf

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AW: Installer maker window keeps blank on OS X

2015-09-01 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
I am still completely puzzled, what is going on that Mac. I have never seen
such a behavior. The first window of the installer program just keeps empty,
no control/button is shown, neither the text field, which usually is there.
I am almost sure, that it is any wired thing on the customers Mac, but the
customer, as always swears, that all other programs could be installed and
run without any problem, so it must be my crappy program.

Has anybody ever seen such a behavior on a Mac or any idea, what to check
for on that Mac, before I refund the price for my not working program to
that customer? I have no idea in which direction I could investigate.

Thanks for any ideas
Tiemo


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Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von Tiemo Hollmann TB
Gesendet: Montag, 31. August 2015 13:44
An: LiveCode User Liste senden 
Betreff: Installer maker window keeps blank on OS X

Hello,

 

I am packaging my OS X program with installer maker and codesign it. It
works fine at all customers beside of one.

Now a customer with OS X 10.9.5 tells me that she opens my installer and he
gets only a blank white window. The window has my text in the title bar, but
not text or any buttons like cancel or next in the window, so she can't go
on to install my program, only close it by the red cross.

 

I have checked, if it has anything to do with the security settings (install
apps only from.), but nothing changes in the weird behavior of the
installer, changing the security setting. The user has admin rights.

 

Has anybody ever seen such a behavior, perhaps with any other program or any
idea, what to check for on this machine? What could go wrong here?

 

Thanks for any ideas

Tiemo

 

 

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Re: Does anyone feel like updating the LiveCode page on Wikipedia?

2015-09-01 Thread dunbarx
I have a few comments there, though I have quite a bit in the HC page.  The 
problem is that I am still using v.6.7, so though I am excited about v7 and v8, 
I have not used them. But anyone can be an "editor" for Wikipedia.



-Original Message-
From: Peter TB Brett 
To: How to use LiveCode 
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2015 5:42 am
Subject: Does anyone feel like updating the LiveCode page on Wikipedia?


Hi all,

We've noticed that the LiveCode Wikipedia

 page is a little bit out of 
date. 
Actually, it's not a little bit out of date -- it's **very** out 
of
date!

Due to Wikipedia's "Neutral Point of View" rules

 we [i.e.

people who work for LiveCode] can't update it ourselves.

Is there anyone in
the community who would be willing to freshen it up a 
bit, please?


Peter

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Team

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Re: Release: 8.0 DP4... also, HTML5

2015-09-01 Thread Peter TB Brett

On 01/09/2015 12:16, derbrill IT-Service wrote:

This looks rather promising!

I tested a couple of AE things zesterdaz, but unfortunatelz mz Laptop died a
horrible death. As I am currentlz on the road, I can not upload the stuff I
tried, but it was really ok. :-) A question though. Peter mentionened no
external support. Does that mean no XML? If so that would be reallz a shame.
Also, right now get is supported. Will POST also be supported in the final
release?


Hi Malte!

To address the points in order:

1) Yes, that means no XML at the moment.  However, most browsers have 
built-in XML support.  So *in theory* it would be possible to use it. 
We would probably do that by adding support for LiveCode Builder to 
HTML5, then adding support for calling JavaScript code to LiveCode 
Builder, and then adding a LiveCode Builder library that uses the 
browser's XML support to provide the revxml extension's interface.  So, 
quite some way to go still...


2) Yes, POST *should* be supported in the LiveCode 8 stable release.  I 
can't guarantee it though.  It depends how far we get.  We plan to 
continue to improve the HTML5 engine on an ongoing basis!


 Peter

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Re: Release: 8.0 DP4... also, HTML5

2015-09-01 Thread Roger Eller
Does a dutch kezboard not have the letter z?  Just messing with zou.  haha
On Sep 1, 2015 7:16 AM, "derbrill IT-Service" 
wrote:

> This looks rather promising!
>
> I tested a couple of AE things zesterdaz, but unfortunatelz mz Laptop died
> a
> horrible death. As I am currentlz on the road, I can not upload the stuff I
> tried, but it was really ok. :-) A question though. Peter mentionened no
> external support. Does that mean no XML? If so that would be reallz a
> shame.
> Also, right now get is supported. Will POST also be supported in the final
> release?
>
>
>
> (If zou find any typing errors this is either me not being able to spell,
> or me
> using a dutch kezboard lazout at the moment)
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Malte
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Re: Release: 8.0 DP4... also, HTML5

2015-09-01 Thread derbrill IT-Service
This looks rather promising!

I tested a couple of AE things zesterdaz, but unfortunatelz mz Laptop died a
horrible death. As I am currentlz on the road, I can not upload the stuff I
tried, but it was really ok. :-) A question though. Peter mentionened no
external support. Does that mean no XML? If so that would be reallz a shame.
Also, right now get is supported. Will POST also be supported in the final
release?

 

(If zou find any typing errors this is either me not being able to spell, or me
using a dutch kezboard lazout at the moment)

Best,

 

Malte
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Re: HTML5 test

2015-09-01 Thread BNig
Hi Colin,

seeing your example I just took a stack I posted on livecodeshare
http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/445/Colorpuzzle
and knowing nothing about HTML I just made a HTML5 standalone

It worked surprisingly well. Amazing, just converting it to HTML5 was only
compile time.

The stack lets you pick a color from the bottom pane and then this color
sticks to the cursor and you move it to the top pane to match the color and
click again. Then you either have a hit or a miss. Counter work.
The interface (sticking color square) was intended for touch devices.
The 3 right sided sliders let you adjust the colors to make it more
difficult/easier. Just play with them.
Some elements like buttons/sliders don't look quite right but basically it
works.
Tested in Safari.

here is the link to the HTML5 version
--
http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/colorpuzzleLC8/colorpuzzle.html
--
Kind regards

Bernd



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Does anyone feel like updating the LiveCode page on Wikipedia?

2015-09-01 Thread Peter TB Brett

Hi all,

We've noticed that the LiveCode Wikipedia 
 page is a little bit out of 
date.  Actually, it's not a little bit out of date -- it's **very** out 
of date!


Due to Wikipedia's "Neutral Point of View" rules 
 we [i.e. 
people who work for LiveCode] can't update it ourselves.


Is there anyone in the community who would be willing to freshen it up a 
bit, please?


 Peter

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Re: Project Browser in LC8

2015-09-01 Thread Peter TB Brett



On 01/09/2015 10:03, Charles Warwick wrote:

I’ve just been tracking down a bug in the LC8 project browser, and have noticed 
that the code for the project browser for LC8 is quite different to what used 
to be there in LC7.

While I am happy to send through some fixes for the issues I have found, some 
of it is related to references to code that has been removed since LC7.

Is there a bigger rework of the project browser going on?  If so, I don’t want 
to fix code that is going to be completely replaced shortly anyway.


Hi Charles,

The project browser in LiveCode 8 is a bit incomplete, and it really 
does need quite a lot more work on it!


Please do send through any fixes you find.  Even if the code does get 
replaced eventually, fixing bugs that are affecting people right now is 
always extremely helpful and appreciated.


  Peter

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Project Browser in LC8

2015-09-01 Thread Charles Warwick
I’ve just been tracking down a bug in the LC8 project browser, and have noticed 
that the code for the project browser for LC8 is quite different to what used 
to be there in LC7.

While I am happy to send through some fixes for the issues I have found, some 
of it is related to references to code that has been removed since LC7.

Is there a bigger rework of the project browser going on?  If so, I don’t want 
to fix code that is going to be completely replaced shortly anyway.



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Re: [OT] Atom Text Editor for Script Editiing - First Impressions

2015-09-01 Thread BNig
Hi Kay,

thanks for your thorough description

just wanted to add that from what I understand the Livecode builder and
revigniter functionality was added by Peter Brett

https://github.com/peter-b/atom-language-livecode 

He is welcomes community based input to the project

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=25166&p=130953#p130953

Andy Piddock has posted a stub livecode builder script snippet to this list
and the forum. It basically sets up the standard header for a script, very
handy.

Peter plans to merge it into the project.

I also would like to see a handler tree.

Kind regards
Bernd



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Re: [ANN]SoCal LiveCode Meeting, Sept 3

2015-09-01 Thread Dave Kilroy
I'd certainly be up for a monthly hangout - even if time zones mean I'll need
to use matchsticks to keep my eyes open...

Kind regards

Dave



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Re: LCB API's

2015-09-01 Thread Ali Lloyd
The fact that the example for the localdate doesn't actually include "local
date" is indeed confusing, and a bug.

I wonder if a judicious choice of parameter name would help with the
multiple entries for the same syntax. If we had *LeftList *is *RightList*,
etc. would that be ok?

The reason they are separate is because they are actually separate pieces
of syntax residing in different modules. They are tied to the types. I'm
not convinced it makes sense for them to all be in the same entry. However,
I do like the idea of having an additional grouped entry (a sort of
disambiguation page).

A syntax definition for LiveCode Builder looks like this

syntax ReplaceString is statement

"replace"  "with"  "in"


begin

MCStringExecReplace(Pattern, Replacement, Target)

end syntax

ReplaceString is the 'name' of the syntax block. it is true that this
information is irrelevant from the point of view of the LiveCode Script
user. The question is, what do we replace the name with? In the LiveCode
Script dictionary, the name used is the filename of the corresponding Lcdoc
(or previously XML) file, with the hyphens replaced.

Currently the inline docs parsing takes the name from this block. Perhaps
the only option here is to add
Name: replace
and so on to every syntax declaration, as I'm not sure there is anything in
that syntax block that could be automatically formatted to the sort of
thing you're looking for.




On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 7:07 AM James Hale  wrote:

> Have to agree with Mike on this.
> I too find the LCB APIs confusing in having "names" of things that are not
> part of the syntax.
> The fact that the example for the localdate doesn't actually include
> "local date" is even more confusing.
>
> Just looking at some entries is see "ListIsList" which is an operator.
> However in looking at the syntax the actual operator is "is" in the
> context 'listA' is 'listB' although the docs present this a "left is right".
>
> I can only think that the names of the entries are derived in some way
> from the underlying meta card C function calls that are actually being used
> to provide the functionality. Great if your focus is LCB down to enabling
> functions in the engine, not so great if your focus is LCB and above.
>
> For example. "StringBeginsWithString" seems obvious.
> The actual operator according to the syntax is "begins with"
> Looking at the "list.mlc" source file this function makes a call to
> "MCListEvalBeginsWith" so I can see where the LCB name is derived.
>
> As I said this makes sense if I was concerned with authoring .mlc source
> but not so much if my focus was writing LCB files.
>
> Looking up "contains" one finds three entries.
> "Source contains Needle", "Target contains Needle" and "Target contains
> Needle". Yes the last two read the same.
> First point of confusion, what the ?*£? Is a "needle"?
> Second point, in all three entries the actual operator is "contains", only
> the context varies.
>
> Readability wise a single entry for "Contains" with the three cases
> described or three entries for contains perhaps of the form...
> contains {string}
> contains {byte}
> contains {list}
>
> James
>
>
>
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