Re: Livecode Community Site

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Alex Tweedly wrote:

> On 08/07/2020 06:30, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> LC Ltd loves guest content in their blog,
>
> Really ?  There's been *one* guest blog post in the last 2 years -
> maybe they need to push harder for contributions.

You can lead a horse to water...

It's easier to snap together a web site than it is to author content. I 
know that all too well.  LiveCodeJournal.com (and its earlier 
incarnation of RevJournal.com) was well placed for many years, often #2 
in SERPS - when I had fresh content coming in.  But third-party content 
dwindled when LC began their own content outlets, I got more bill-paying 
contract work, so that hobby project started taking a backseat.  It's a 
lot of work to do alone.


Consider the WoecechestershireSource site, and sites from the fella in 
S. Africa, TapirSoft's, and the others that have enthusiastically come 
and reluctantly gone over the years.


A large third-party ecosystem is nice, and we should definitely 
encourage more. But from an evangelism standpoint it's a 
top-of-the-funnel activity, with the mother ship in the middle where the 
funnel leads.  It helps to keep that destination well fed.


If it seems easy to commit to content authoring, give a shot at guest 
blogging for the largest audience in the ecosystem.  If nothing else 
it'll hone writing skills for the work ahead at one's own site.



>> and additions to the Lessons and docs.  The nice thing about making
>> contributions with the core project is they keep the
>> highest-possible-ranking site looking fresh, while also reducing work
>> for the author.
>
> Yep!
>
> So the answer for me is clear - I should write a (potential) blog post
> for the Livecode Blog, and offer ti to Heather. It may not be up to
> their standards - but at least I'll have tried.
>
> OK, off I go to write up my little "Them are beads!" project.

Supercool - I look forward to reading it.

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Re: Livecode Community Site

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

David,

I love your suggestions, I also have some questions about some of the
things you mentioned. I'm totally down to hearing more of your thoughts on
a project like this.

I'm not married to the name. but whenever I see that I own the domain I
am reminded of this somewhat glaring need.

Maybe my ideas at this point are have been simplisticI have advanced
knowledge and experience in WordPress, it has everything thats needed
to make a successful site that can scale to a decent number of users.  
it would be hard to convince me to spend time building things in order to
have a site that has custom funtionality for what we need.

So what I'm saying is I don't know if thats compatible with federated
websites using docker containers.but I take it, the docker containers
can have wordpress on them.

Lets do the zoom call David. send me an invite .. wednesday,
thursday,friday  work for me . at most times ... except before noon est
on wednesday!

Cheers,

Tom (tom at makeshyft.com)



On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 4:02 PM Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> On 08/07/2020 06:30, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > LC Ltd loves guest content in their blog,
>
> Really ?  There's been *one* guest blog post in the last 2 years - maybe
> they need to push harder for contributions.
>
> > and additions to the Lessons and docs.  The nice thing about making
> > contributions with the core project is they keep the
> > highest-possible-ranking site looking fresh, while also reducing work
> > for the author.
>
> Yep!
>
> So the answer for me is clear - I should write a (potential) blog post
> for the Livecode Blog, and offer ti to Heather. It may not be up to
> their standards - but at least I'll have tried.
>
> OK, off I go to write up my little "Them are beads!" project.
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
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Re: Livecode Community Site

[Alex Tweedly via use-livecode]

On 08/07/2020 06:30, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

LC Ltd loves guest content in their blog, 


Really ?  There's been *one* guest blog post in the last 2 years - maybe 
they need to push harder for contributions.


and additions to the Lessons and docs.  The nice thing about making 
contributions with the core project is they keep the 
highest-possible-ranking site looking fresh, while also reducing work 
for the author.


Yep!

So the answer for me is clear - I should write a (potential) blog post 
for the Livecode Blog, and offer ti to Heather. It may not be up to 
their standards - but at least I'll have tried.


OK, off I go to write up my little "Them are beads!" project.

Alex.




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Re: Livecode Community Site

[David Bovill via use-livecode]

Yes - I’m in. My only requirements are that it is done well. Like others have 
said time is limited, so for my part I only want to put effort into quality and 
innovative content. Let me pick through the suggestions from my point of view:

> > Please give me a quick reply
> > 1. If this interests you.
> 2. And If you would like to be involved with it

Yes, yes, yes.
> So I think that unless we are confident that there is enough interest,
> commitment and agreement on goals, we would be better off not even
> starting . Sorry if that sounds negative - but the last thing we need to
> do is to use up the rather scarce resource we have (i.e. our own time)
> on a likely-to-fail effort.

I’m personally confident of interest. This is in part because I know some 
interesting developers, and relevant content. Partly because I’m confident that 
the format can be done in a way that gathers interest. These positive aspects 
come with a potential difference of approach - one which puts content and cross 
cutting interests over an above a pure Livecode focussed site (see below)
> > Here are my goals:
> >
> > For LoveLivecode.com to be a "modern" central hub for:

For my part that brand is not strong enough to attract interest. I also see 
several sites working together in a modern way - to that end I believe we 
should allow anyone to create their own community site and federate these in 
interesting ways.
> Not sure what 'modern' is (or whether I like it :-)  And central could
> mean 'one place for everything' which I think is not practical.

I agree 'one place for everything’  is not practical. My focus would be on ways 
in which federated sites can share content. So I see:

1. A podcast - that uses Livecode to add some interesting features, but 
essentially is something that any Livecode community site can embed and 
collaborate with.
2. A new container based community hosting solution - the solution I’d love to 
work on with people uses Traffic, Federated wiki, and Livecode server. Other 
container based services can be added with a few lines of code. I have a test 
community server up and running - and I think it would be good content to 
evolve that through the podcast and community meet-ups.
3. Exciting community content - new approaches to education etc (my focus is 
climate change and social projects).


> > (Up-to-date) Educational resources
> Yeah, could be possible.

There are a number of projects I’d like to include here. There is a good deal 
of innovative content to draw on, that we can enhance with features provided by 
Livecode tools. It’s all creative commons licensed, and would go with the 
podcast which will also be free culture licensed.
> > Code snippets
> > Sample Files
> Yes, definitely. I think there is a particular gap in this area
> (libraries) but I'll keep that for a possible later detailed discussion.

I’ve got a few libraries for this, and we could go through what is available in 
a community call. At the moment I use Gists, and Github API’s to save code 
snippets and projects from the IDE, and I use Federated wiki to document the 
handlers and code - however we could use Github wiki pages or other solutions. 
Again something better to demo in a community call than describe.
> > Events / Online & Live
> > Community Polls (to help livecode inc to understand us better)
> Yes - I'm sure there is interest for this, even if we are all not sure
> what we want, we really do want something.

> I think this is very important. A lot of the interest would come from 
> communities outside of the Livecode developer community. I work with artists 
> (musicians and film makers), and social projects (educators and people 
> looking at social change) that are interested. They need software tools like 
> Livecode, but their focus is on content.

How about doing a Zoom next week, and see where it goes. I’d be happy to 
present the docker based federated Livecode instance - with a quick demo of 
Github & wiki integration?
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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[William Prothero via use-livecode]

FYI, I’ve found some of the MovAvi  apps to be 
good and very inexpensive. That said, I’m not doing a lot of video editing 
these days, but found the video editing app to be easier to use than iMovie. I 
used Final Cut Pro, but didn’t renew when Apple went to 64bit only.

Best,
Bill

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> On Jul 8, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I prefer video, but I feel demonstrations should have some production value
> other that just a screen share.
> Indicators, motion graphics, etc and not just a guy and his desktop.  And
> EDITING!!!
> I'm a Final Cut Pro video guy these days and have ALL the groovy plugins
> so I'm not being fair I guess.
> 
> iMovie is far better these days that it used to be, but strangely very
> difficult to upgrade an iMovie package to Final Cut, once one is there.
> Roadblocks everywhere. Typical Apple %$#%#%#$%#$.
> 
> sqb
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> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:36 AM Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi André,
>> 
>> I previously always favored printed books.
>> 
>> But now I prefer digital materials that are a combination of text (with
>> copiable code!), interactive elements, and supplementary video.
>> As Richard pointed out LC itself provides "the many learning benefits of
>> direct engagement with interactive media.”
>> 
>> IMO, Video is most appropriate when used to convey visual, spatial and
>> temporal examples. It’s can also provide a bit of a human touch to the
>> instruction, even though it’s utterly mechanical.
>> 
>> So, yeah, I like a combo.
>> 
>> Hope this helps!
>> 
>> Jim Lambert
>> 
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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Stephen Barncard via use-livecode]

I prefer video, but I feel demonstrations should have some production value
other that just a screen share.
Indicators, motion graphics, etc and not just a guy and his desktop.  And
EDITING!!!
I'm a Final Cut Pro video guy these days and have ALL the groovy plugins
so I'm not being fair I guess.

iMovie is far better these days that it used to be, but strangely very
difficult to upgrade an iMovie package to Final Cut, once one is there.
Roadblocks everywhere. Typical Apple %$#%#%#$%#$.

sqb
--
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mixstream.org


On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:36 AM Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi André,
>
> I previously always favored printed books.
>
> But now I prefer digital materials that are a combination of text (with
> copiable code!), interactive elements, and supplementary video.
> As Richard pointed out LC itself provides "the many learning benefits of
> direct engagement with interactive media.”
>
> IMO, Video is most appropriate when used to convey visual, spatial and
> temporal examples. It’s can also provide a bit of a human touch to the
> instruction, even though it’s utterly mechanical.
>
> So, yeah, I like a combo.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Jim Lambert
>
>
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Re: [off-topic-ish] do you prefer LC-related content as books or video courses?

[Jim Lambert via use-livecode]

Hi André,

I previously always favored printed books.

But now I prefer digital materials that are a combination of text (with 
copiable code!), interactive elements, and supplementary video.
As Richard pointed out LC itself provides "the many learning benefits of direct 
engagement with interactive media.”

IMO, Video is most appropriate when used to convey visual, spatial and temporal 
examples. It’s can also provide a bit of a human touch to the instruction, even 
though it’s utterly mechanical.

So, yeah, I like a combo.

Hope this helps!

Jim Lambert


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Re: Livecode Community Site

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Thanks for your thoughts Richard.  You are right on the content delivery
channels.  Posting content on social media directly is definitely
worthwhile, but I really think the market opportunity may be there for a
LiveCode related 'hub'.  I think its possible for this site to be a semi
everyday visit, a great destination for new LC developers, and a true hub
for (new) livecode developers / teachers.

I end up on livecode journal every once in a while if i am searching for
something, there is a wealth of information there (thanks). though,
to a new user, they may not be sure they are on a current website.
It would make sense to post links to these blog postswith proper open
graph data.

Yeah.LC Inc's strengths are not currently in social marketing or
community engagement, but that can change, and maybe this site can help
with that.

I will update this thread with a link to the roadmap.

Thanks,

Tom

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 1:31 AM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Tom Glod wrote:
>
>  > I feel like nothing out there, LC related, feels like its maintained
>  > of kept up to date.
>
> True dat, though there are a few.
>
> LiveCode Journal has been fallow too long for a couple reasons: it's a
> lot of work to keep fresh content flowing, and ultimately I found that
> content needs management and much more, so I've been making tools for
> that. My hope is that the tools will allow me to kick out content more
> prolifically, but the tools themselves require  quite a bit of time
> before that happens.
>
>  > Livecode themselves don't really have much of a social presence.
>
> They have no content strategy that's evident.  That's too bad. it works.
>   Content strategy is pretty much how companies grow in the 21st century.
>
>
>  > So for new developers, it all just seems 'stale'.
>  >
>  > A modern, maintained site with up to date content would very easily
>  > become one of the top results for those searching for livecode. (I
>  > could be wrong)
>
> Yes, to fresh content - but need it be in one domain?
>
> Is the goal to create a new funnel that goes through all the steps to
> bring people into a new place...
>
> - or -
>
> ...could the content be delivered to where people already are?
>
>
> An article at LinkedIn can be promoted in groups and forums, but being
> at LinkedIn will be seen by more people more quickly than you could
> expect through organic search engine traffic.
>
> Even better, search engine traffic only applies when the searcher
> happens to be searching for phrases that a given domain ranks high for.
>
> But in existing sharing networks like LinkedIn, people can discover
> things they might never have thought to search for.
>
> The mother ship itself is also a good venue:
>
> LC Ltd loves guest content in their blog, and additions to the Lessons
> and docs.  The nice thing about making contributions with the core
> project is they keep the highest-possible-ranking site looking fresh,
> while also reducing work for the author.
>
> --
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>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   
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Re: Downloading LiveCode Slow...

[Richmond via use-livecode]

Here in Bulgaria it is fast enough for me because I always slope
off for a cup of coffee whenever something is downloading.

And the really "annoying" thing is that most of the time downloads
finish before I've come back into the room. :)

Richmond.

On 8.07.20 19:46, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode wrote:

I got 22 MB/sec from New York City  and 14MB/Sec form Madrid (Spain).

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Tore 
Nilsen via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 12:42 PM
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Tore Nilsen 
Subject: Re: Downloading LiveCode Slow...

I got + - 10MB/sec from Norway. Downloaded the Business Edition in under 1 min.

Tore Nilsen


7. jul. 2020 kl. 23:46 skrev Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
:

I was wondering if anyone has tried to download any version of
LiveCode from the website recently.  I just tried today and it is
glacially slow.

I’m also running into a problem where
version 9.5.1 which used to work fine
is now complaining that the license
isn’t any good anymore.  I tried the
manual fix and even that didn’t work.
My licenses are all up to date too.

Anyone else having similar problems?

Let me know.

Thanks,

Rick
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RE: Downloading LiveCode Slow...

[Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode]

I got 22 MB/sec from New York City  and 14MB/Sec form Madrid (Spain).

-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of Tore 
Nilsen via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 12:42 PM
To: How to use LiveCode 
Cc: Tore Nilsen 
Subject: Re: Downloading LiveCode Slow...

I got + - 10MB/sec from Norway. Downloaded the Business Edition in under 1 min.

Tore Nilsen

> 7. jul. 2020 kl. 23:46 skrev Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has tried to download any version of 
> LiveCode from the website recently.  I just tried today and it is 
> glacially slow.
> 
> I’m also running into a problem where
> version 9.5.1 which used to work fine
> is now complaining that the license
> isn’t any good anymore.  I tried the
> manual fix and even that didn’t work.
> My licenses are all up to date too.
> 
> Anyone else having similar problems?
> 
> Let me know.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
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Re: Downloading LiveCode Slow...

[Tore Nilsen via use-livecode]

I got + - 10MB/sec from Norway. Downloaded the Business Edition in under 1 min.

Tore Nilsen

> 7. jul. 2020 kl. 23:46 skrev Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has tried to
> download any version of LiveCode from
> the website recently.  I just tried today
> and it is glacially slow.
> 
> I’m also running into a problem where
> version 9.5.1 which used to work fine
> is now complaining that the license
> isn’t any good anymore.  I tried the
> manual fix and even that didn’t work.
> My licenses are all up to date too.
> 
> Anyone else having similar problems?
> 
> Let me know.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
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RE: Downloading LiveCode Slow...

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

>From the Download page I get an average of 2.6mbs download speed.

Ralph DiMola
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Re: Downloading LiveCode Slow...

[doc hawk via use-livecode]

I've never seen it *not* slow.

When I'm going to download, I clip the link and use "wget -c" from
the command line, so it can continue from where it left off if interrupted.
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fixed textheight affects scrolling?

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi friends,

strange phenomenon, maybe I am missing something!?
LC 9.6 on macOS 10.14.6

I have two fields with all available fonts and each line is formatted directly 
in the appropriate font it reads.

I set the FixedLineHeight for ONE field to 28, doesn't matter actually.

Now I want to select a specific line in the fields with this script:
---
on mouseUp pMouseButton
  set the wholematches to TRUE
  put lineoffset("Lucida Grande",fld "fonts") into tLine
  ## Which is 366 in my fields!

  put the effective textheight of fld "fonts" into tTH
  set the scroll of fld "fonts" to tLine*tTH + the height of fld "fonts"
  set the hilitedlines of fld "fonts" to tLine
end mouseUp
---

Works fine for the field WITHOUT fixedlineheigt and selects the line -> Lucida 
Grande
However the same script used with the field WITH fixedlineheight, it selects -> 
Lucida Grande Bold
which is the line AFTER "Lucida Grande" and actually line 367!?

What am I overlooking?
Thanks for any hints!


Best

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Re: LCGitHubLib deprecation

[Drs Mark Schonewille via use-livecode]

That's a very general message. It doesn't say that the events are in the 
lib and it doesn't say that the lib will be removed. Also, you don't 
really need this lib just to use Github with LiveCode, even if it may be 
useful.


Mark Schonewille
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https://www.nt2.nu

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http://www3.economy-x-talk.com/file.php?node=programming-livecode-for-the-real-beginner

Op 8-7-2020 om 16:25 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode:

Hi

This is what I received:

We're contacting you regarding upcoming changes for your GitHub Apps:
  - LCGitHubLib

We no longer support two events which your GitHub Apps may rely on, 
"integration_installation" and "integration_installation_repositories".

These events can be replaced with the "installation" and 
"installation_repositories" events respectively.

The "integration_installation" and "integration_installation_repositories" 
events will be removed after October 1st, 2020.

Please visit 
https://developer.github.com/changes/2020-04-15-replacing-the-installation-and-installation-repositories-eventsfor
 more information about suggested changes, brownouts, and removal dates.

Thanks,
The GitHub Team


On 8 Jul 2020, at 12:47, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Sean,

i did a Google search for LCGitHubLib  and could not find any information about 
it.

What is/was it?


-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code


Am 07.07.2020 um 22:01 schrieb Pi Digital via use-livecode 
:

Hey all.

Just received notification from github that the LCGitHubLib app will no longer 
be available on github from October. I’m sure the relevant coders have also 
been notified but will this have impact on our own repository forks. We have 
till October so there’s no rush. I’m just starting the conversation for an 
early heads up.

All the best

Sean Cole
Pi Digital
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Re: LCGitHubLib deprecation

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Hi

This is what I received:

We're contacting you regarding upcoming changes for your GitHub Apps:
 - LCGitHubLib

We no longer support two events which your GitHub Apps may rely on, 
"integration_installation" and "integration_installation_repositories".

These events can be replaced with the "installation" and 
"installation_repositories" events respectively. 

The "integration_installation" and "integration_installation_repositories" 
events will be removed after October 1st, 2020.

Please visit 
https://developer.github.com/changes/2020-04-15-replacing-the-installation-and-installation-repositories-eventsfor
 more information about suggested changes, brownouts, and removal dates.

Thanks,
The GitHub Team

> On 8 Jul 2020, at 12:47, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sean,
> 
> i did a Google search for LCGitHubLib  and could not find any information 
> about it.
> 
> What is/was it?
> 
> 
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> 
>> Am 07.07.2020 um 22:01 schrieb Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Hey all. 
>> 
>> Just received notification from github that the LCGitHubLib app will no 
>> longer be available on github from October. I’m sure the relevant coders 
>> have also been notified but will this have impact on our own repository 
>> forks. We have till October so there’s no rush. I’m just starting the 
>> conversation for an early heads up. 
>> 
>> All the best
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> Pi Digital
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Re: LCGitHubLib deprecation

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Sean,

i did a Google search for LCGitHubLib  and could not find any information about 
it.

What is/was it?


-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 07.07.2020 um 22:01 schrieb Pi Digital via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hey all. 
> 
> Just received notification from github that the LCGitHubLib app will no 
> longer be available on github from October. I’m sure the relevant coders have 
> also been notified but will this have impact on our own repository forks. We 
> have till October so there’s no rush. I’m just starting the conversation for 
> an early heads up. 
> 
> All the best
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
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