Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I’m using 9.6.3, and it seems to work ok in Ventura.



> On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:28 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> the topic says it all
> 
> Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
> Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
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Running installer on Windows 10

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I am testing a stack on some different systems, and on Mac M1, Mac Intel, Intel 
i7 PC with Windows 10, and an Intel Celeron N5095 with Windows 11, no problems.

On an Intel Celeron N3450, Windows 10, nothing happens when opening the 
LiveCode 9.6.8 x86-64 installer, or if I open a standalone app that I made. 
When using run as admin, the initial “are you sure” screen appears, but then 
after that nothing happens.

What could be different between a Celeron N5095 and a Celeron N3450, that would 
account for why LiveCode applications don’t open?

I see from this post:

https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/epic-games-launcher-does-not-open/420387 


that some software might not like an Intel HD Graphics 500, but would that be a 
reason for the installer to fail silently?

I worked around the issue for now by saving the stack as v7. The 7.1.3 
installer works ok.
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Re: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

In general, Ventura is going well.

> On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:53 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well there go my plans for early adoption.
> 
> I do feel that the 'new OS a year' model means that ALL the versions are
> unfinished.
> 
> I could say the same about LiveCode versions.
> 
> Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
> niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.
> 
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, 08:46 Paul McClernan via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> The OSS "community" already had TONs of work to do.
>> 
>> Apparently a lot of other software is crashing with macOS Ventura as well.
>> I wonder why? Time to install Ventura and find out I guess.
>> 
>> Every year this former mac fan-boy inches closer to becoming a Linux
>> regular.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script
>> window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone
>> with the skills still there.
>>> 
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Re: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of 
a button, crashes LiveCode right away.

Opening a stack made in 9.6.3 with Monterey, does show 10.16.0 when run in 
9.6.3 in Ventura.


> On Jul 10, 2022, at 10:58 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is anyone out there in Livecode land running a developer beta of macOS 
> Ventura (13.x.x)?
> 
> If so, I am hoping you can perform a quick test:
> 
> systemVersion() returns 10.16 for macOS Big Sur or Monterey under Livecode 
> 9.6.7 and earlier (in the 9.6.x versions). The systemVersion() bug was just 
> fixed in LC 9.6.8.
> 
> I'd like to ask if someone on Ventura (13.x.x) can run LC 9.6.7 or any 9.6.x 
> less than 9.6.8) and confirm that systemVersion() also reports 10.16 for 
> macOS Ventura - i.e. that the systemVersion() bug behaves the same way under 
> Ventura for recent versions of LC less than LC 9.6.8.
> 
> Thank you to anyone that can do this test in advance,
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
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Re: Launch of multiple application instances (Mac vs Win)

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I wonder if the relaunch approach would leave the user in File Explorer, and 
would not switch across to the existing app instance? Hopefully it will be that 
simple.

If it isn’t, try this approach:

https://use-livecode.runrev.narkive.com/wOjpGm5V/external-for-running-one-instance-on-windows


> On May 8, 2022, at 9:37 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
>> Am 08.05.2022 um 17:32 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Seeking help:
>> 
>> On MacOS when you try to launch a second instance of an application, the 
>> macOS just brings the open app to the front (for example, if it is hidden on 
>> minimized).
>> On Windows, when you try to launch a second instance of an application, 
>> Windows launches a second (or 3rd or 4th or ...) instance of the application.
>> 
>> All well and good, but here is my problem. We have some users of our 
>> application that, on Windows, are accidentally launching more than once 
>> instance of our application and then getting confused (our users are often 
>> not very computer literate).. This confusion can lead to them thinking they 
>> have lost data or other problems caused by doing some work in one instance 
>> and some in another and not recognizing they have multiple instances running.
>> 
>> I would like to add some start up code to application, that on Windows, 
>> detects if our app is already running and  (a) shuts the 2nd instance down 
>> OR (b) [PREFERABLY] warns the user they are launching a second instance and 
>> offers to (1) bring the existing instance to the foreground (and shut itself 
>> down) or actually continue and launch a seconds instance (for power users 
>> who know what they are doing)
>> 
>> Has anyone written code to do this?
>> i.e. code to detect an already running instance and code to bring that 
>> instance to the foreground?
>> If so, are you willing to share the code?
>> 
>> Just looking to not have to reinvent the wheel here.
> 
> just add this "dummy" handler to your stack:
> 
> on relaunch
>  ## Nada :-)
> end relaunch
> -
> That will prevent the launching of multiple instances on Windows!
> 
>> Thank you in advance!
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
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Re: Signing With Apple on iOS Woes

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

There are a couple of ideas here:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16073519/nsurlerrordomain-error-code-999-in-ios
 


The simpler suggestion is that you’re sending two requests, the second one 
going before the first one has completed.


> On Mar 28, 2022, at 11:00 AM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am trying to user a browser widget to do a login with Apple.  When I load 
> my page (that redirects to apple with the appropriate keys) on my desktop (in 
> the IDE) it works perfect!   When I load the URL in the iOS Simulator, I get 
> a browserDocumentLoadFailed message and the error is "navigation request 
> cancelled" and then the page loads and seems to respond correctly.  However, 
> on a actual iPhone, we get the browserDocumentLoadFailed with the error "The 
> operation couldn't be completed. (NSUELErrorDomain error -999).
> 
> Anyone have any advice on this issue?
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Re: Counting Syllables

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

This post goes over some techniques:

https://mholtzscher.github.io/2018/05/29/syllables/ 




> On Mar 20, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richmond,
> 
> Yes, English. Sorry I forgot to be specific, I thought it was implied.
> 
> Yes, I have been counting vowels, but there appear to be a lot of exceptions,
> so there must be a lot more rules.
> 
> I need to know what all the rules are to make it work if possible.
> 
> There are websites out there on the internet that will count
> syllables in whatever text given to them so it must be possible.
> How are they doing it?  Is it an algorithm ,or are they comparing
> the words to a database table that has all the dictionary information?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Richmond via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, syllables are language dependent, so let's suppose for the moment that
>> you are ONLY working with English, the, presumably, you can set up vowels
>> as item-delimiters: although you might get a bit mixed up with words sucj
>> as 'beautiful' which, while having 5 vowels only has 3 syllables.
>> 
>> Basically you have to work out how to detect V+C and open vowels at the
>> end of words.
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Re: Windows 11 incompatible?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

No, you press Alt and tap the spacebar. Let go of both keys, then tap M, and 
tap any arrow key. Move the cursor to see the frontmost window is attached.


> On Mar 14, 2022, at 11:25 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> Hi, Colin.
> 
> Hmmm.  I assume that all four of those keys are pressed at the same time?
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes it does. The M is for Move, if you’re working on a non-English system 
>> you would type the first letter for Move in your language.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 9:47 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do I understand that, on Windows, typing those keys makes the frontmost 
>>> window track the cursor???
>> 
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Re: Windows 11 incompatible?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Yes it does. The M is for Move, if you’re working on a non-English system you 
would type the first letter for Move in your language.


> On Mar 14, 2022, at 9:47 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> Do I understand that, on Windows, typing those keys makes the frontmost 
> window track the cursor???

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Re: Windows 11 incompatible?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

There is an issue on Windows that would show similar symptoms. That is, if a 
window is opened off screen it’s as if the application has frozen.

To see if that is the problem, type Alt-spacebar, M, any arrow key, and move 
the cursor. The offscreen window will be attached to the cursor, and a 
left-click will drop it off in the right place.


> On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:40 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'd need an account with a school but since the problem is only on 
> launch you might be able to test that part.
> <https://thinkingstrings.com/interactive-explorations-downloads/>
> 
> 
> On 3/13/22 2:52 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>> Do you have an app I can test?
>>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 1:31 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We're getting reports that our LC app won't launch after the new Windows 11 
>>> update. Anyone else seeing this? If so, do you know what the problem is?
>>> 
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Re: Windows 11 incompatible?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I get the “do you want to allow” dialog, and after that I get to the sign in 
screen ok.


> On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:40 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'd need an account with a school but since the problem is only on 
> launch you might be able to test that part.
> <https://thinkingstrings.com/interactive-explorations-downloads/>
> 
> 
> On 3/13/22 2:52 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>> Do you have an app I can test?
>>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 1:31 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We're getting reports that our LC app won't launch after the new Windows 11 
>>> update. Anyone else seeing this? If so, do you know what the problem is?
>>> 
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Re: Windows 11 incompatible?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

You should check for an update, I’m on 22572.100, maybe that’s the update that 
showed a problem?


> On Mar 13, 2022, at 2:27 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> What do you mean with new Windows 11 update? The update from 10 or lower to 
> 11 or from 11.xxx whatever build to a newer one?
> 
> I have here Windows 11 Build 22563, that's an insider preview build, 
> installed and opening/running an LC standalone, created with LC 9.6.2, was 
> not a problem.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 13.03.2022 um 20:31 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> We're getting reports that our LC app won't launch after the new Windows 11 
>> update. Anyone else seeing this? If so, do you know what the problem is?
>> 
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Re: Windows 11 incompatible?

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Do you have an app I can test?


> On Mar 13, 2022, at 1:31 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
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> We're getting reports that our LC app won't launch after the new Windows 11 
> update. Anyone else seeing this? If so, do you know what the problem is?
> 
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Re: [ANN] Circling Balls Illusion

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

If you make these changes the animation becomes a lot smoother:

if the mouse is down then exit repeat

lock screen

add Pi/180 to theta

(Many more lines)…
unlock screen

wait 5 milliseconds



> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:59 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes:
> 
>> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=36724 
>> 
> Later today I will also upload a copy to Sample Stacks.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:37 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Roger,
>> 
>> Can you please provide a link to it?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> Over on the forums I introduced my LC version of a well know dynamic 
>>> optical illusion wherein a number of balls appear to be circling inside of 
>>> a bigger circle.
>>> Check it out there if interested.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
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Re: Reviving CD-ROM material [was: Re: Livecode and interactive video]

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Between Feb 1992 when I moved to the US, and May 1995, most of the floppy disks 
and CD-ROMs I programmed were done in HyperCard. Any of those would be easy 
enough to hack. I had been doing the Mac version, and other companies would do 
the PC version. From May 1995, being cross platform right away was more 
important, and so I started using Macromedia Director. For those CD-ROM I would 
either keep the document files in their editable format, or I would have a 
folder on the CD that included the editable files. The way I looked at it was 
that I had thousands of backup copies of the source files. I did do 10 CD-ROMs 
using Oracle Media Objects, which was another way to make cross platform 
HyperCard like titles.

That still all predates Revolution. By the time Run Rev were sitting on top of 
MetaCard we were doing more web activities, all in Macromedia Director. Then by 
2000, three years before Run Rev acquired MetaCard, I had to start using 
Macromedia Flash for the web work. The documents Flash produced were not easily 
editable after being published.

Some day I’ll find time to recreate the HyperCard products in LiveCode!


> On Jan 23, 2022, at 7:18 AM, Richmond via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> I have a good dozen CD-ROMs which my boys got a lot of mileage out of when we 
> stayed in the UAE.
> 
> The first thing to do is to extract all the media - and this can be a 
> right-pain-in-the-bum as quite a lot of
> these CDs were authored using MacroMedia products where the media are 
> embedded in a way which seems
> to make them inaccessible.
> 
> After that . . .
> 
> Run up LiveCode stacks that mimic the FUNCTIONALITY of the original CDs (this 
> is surprisingly easy).
> 
> I have a horde of Dorling-Kindersley CDs that contain stuff that really rocks 
> (well, up to the point
> that media authored for a Mac Performa 5700 is of a far, far lower quality 
> and size than what is
> the norm nowadays).
> 
> I wrote to them twice and they never bothered to reply
> 
> they did not "essentially" ignore me: they IGNORED me. This is nonsense as, 
> presumably, there is no obvious way
> they can make the odd bob out of ancient CD-ROMS; and if they had a bit of 
> nous they might realise that they could
> climb into bed with you to mutual advantage . . .
> 
> so I would merrily chant my favourite mantra:
> 
> "abandonware, abandonware"  and make sure that anything I did with media 
> ripped off from those
> 
> CDs was splattered with disclaimers and released on a not-for-profit basis.
> 
> Richard Gaskin will probably now come after me with the castrating irons.  :)
> 
> Even if he doesn't, his knowledge of what-you-can and what-you-cannot get 
> away with is
> both invaluable and far, far more extensive than mine it.
> 
> On 23.01.22 14:57, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
>> I know I’m old enough to be the father of the average LiveCoder, and maybe 
>> the grandfather of quite a few, so I clearly remember CD-ROMs. I had a 
>> favourite cross-platform one which contains some very attractive material, 
>> and I have often thought of reviving the contents using either an LC 
>> standalone, or (as is presumably now possible), an LC-generated web app. 
>> Sadly I have never been able to have a sensible conversation with the 
>> copyright owner (they’ve essentially ignored me), so this would begin as a 
>> private project. I’m still wondering what the best technical approach should 
>> be. The material includes videos (not interactive) and synchronised text and 
>> audio files. After thinking about it for years, I still think it would be 
>> fun to do.
>> 
>> Has anyone any ideas about how to approach this conversion (or re-purposing, 
>> or whatever term you want to use)?
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 19:56, Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A quarter of a century ago, we called this Interactive Multimedia.
>>> It was usually delivered on a CD-ROM.   Ask your parents! ;)
>>> 
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Re: OT: Wordle

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

You could say, thinking aloed, is aloed aloed?


> On Jan 17, 2022, at 3:04 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 1/17/22 3:50 PM, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote:
>> mark mentioned,
>>> I don't think you can aloe something or say that something has been aloed.
>> Are you saying that such usage isn’t aloed?
> 
> Oh, stop it. :P You're as bad as Wieder.
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Re: OT: Wordle

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

It works well. Would be nice if the right answer letters highlighted in green 
before the dialog appears.


> On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ali.
> 
> Smug as we Americans are, that is why we stick to our blinkered word list. 
> There are just too many random strings of characters in CSW for our 
> provincial taste.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2022, at 11:36 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ali.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> I am joining a support group to help me stop playing, and get back to 
>> Scrabble.
>> 
>> But why limit the lexicon to so few words? Even TWL has over 8000 
>> five-letter words, and SOWPODS many more.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very nice! Thank you Ali
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
 On Jan 7, 2022, at 2:53 AM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 Many of you will no doubt already be addicted to the game 'Wordle' (if not,
 prepare to be: https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/) - the only problem
 with it is that you only get one per day to solve. So I have taken the
 liberty of making an unlimited version (in LC of course)
 https://alilloyd.livecodehosting.com/wordle/wordle.html
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Re: Couple of HTML questions

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I found a small styled text editor that I could add my buttons to, and can now 
edit text and send it to a PHP script to store online. Then a LiveCode stack 
can retrieve those files.

One problem I ran into was getting all of the characters to survive the ordeal. 
I could successfully get the text from the HTML editor to the online file, by 
using escape(the html of the text), but LiveCode doesn’t seem to have escape or 
unescape. It does have URLDecode, but if I used URLEncode the text wouldn’t 
fully upload to the PHP script.

In the end I had to use a replaceText for each of the unicode characters that 
were in the downloaded text. So far those have been bullets, checkmarks, and 
ellipses, and I do these lines:

put replaceText(it,"%u2026","…") into newtext

put replaceText(newtext,"%u221A","√") into newtext

set the htmltext of fld  “rich text field" to replaceText(newtext,"%u2022","•")



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Re: Couple of HTML questions

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I read the instructions more carefully, and the selected text does get posted.

I am using 9.6.3, wonder if the version matters?
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Re: Couple of HTML questions

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I do see a message when trying the post, that says exception thrown, see 
JavaScript Console. There are too many error lines to be sure which one of them 
is important. I get no error when trying to set the style of the text, which 
makes me think that the field is a plain text field.

When I test the stack inside LiveCode, the style changes and the post are 
working.

> On Sep 13, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Colin,
> If it is HTML5 deployment you are looking to do from LC, how time critical
> is your project? At the moment, HTML5 deployment is still quite broken in
> many ways. It may be best to wait until LC10 which is using a whole new
> engine (which looks very promising).
> 
> That said, the current engine 'CAN' do what you have 'asked' for sure, both
> 'post tData to URL(tUrl)' and 'set the textstyle of char 10 to 20 of fld
> "myField" to "bold"' (although that will depend on what texttype is already
> in that field potentially - it can be a bit kooky at times).
> 
> Other things in html5 deployment you will run into that will most likely
> frustrate a little.
> 
> Regarding 'post', note the following from the LC dictionary:
> Cross-platform note: The HTML5 engine only supports HTTP and HTTPs
> protocols. ((ie, you can't use file;//, ftp://, etc))
> Cross-platform note: URLs fetched by the HTML5 engine from a domain other
> than that of the hosting the page may be blocked by web browsers, unless
> the server hosting the URL sets the "Access-Control-Origin" header
> appropriately. ((But as you are likely hosting the PHP you will have
> control over that))
> 
> If you run into any specific HTML5 deployment issues I'd be happy to help
> you through if you want to PM me at all.
> 
> Sean
> 
> On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 20:20, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Colin,
>> 
>> just tried here with a Livecode Server script not with a php script.
>> 
>> Posting data from an Html5 stack to an url definitely works.
>> (see https://livecode.dermattes.de/postmr/postmr.html <
>> https://livecode.dermattes.de/postmr/postmr.html>)
>> 
>> What i do not get working is setting the text style. Even if i set the
>> style already in the IDE and built the html5 standalone the text style is
>> reset to plain when the html5 stack is displayed in the browser.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 13.09.2021 um 04:53 schrieb Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> I want to have an online text editor, that can post some styled text,
>> that then gets read into a desktop stack. There are a lot of HTML styled
>> text editors around, but I thought I may as well try using LiveCode for
>> that part as well.
>>> 
>>> Two issues I’ve hit are the setting of the style of the text, and then
>> posting the text to a PHP script, that stores the HTML changes.
>>> 
>>> Can these lines work in an HTML published stack?:
>>> 
>>> post data to URL theurl
>>> 
>>> and:
>>> 
>>> set the textstyle of the selection to bold
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Couple of HTML questions

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

My PHP script is at an https location, so no problems there. Currently I had 
been trying to set the text style of the selection, I didn’t yet try setting 
the text style of a character range.

The post does seem to be failing though, and given that I don’t need any HTML5 
features, only a simple styled text editor that is able to post the styled text 
to a PHP script, I will try to find some free code for doing that. Or maybe 
work out how to do it myself!

Does anyone know of any HTML and Javascript code for editing styled text? I 
think I can figure out the JavaScript to post the innerHTML of a Div.


> On Sep 13, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Colin,
> If it is HTML5 deployment you are looking to do from LC, how time critical
> is your project? At the moment, HTML5 deployment is still quite broken in
> many ways. It may be best to wait until LC10 which is using a whole new
> engine (which looks very promising).
> 
> That said, the current engine 'CAN' do what you have 'asked' for sure, both
> 'post tData to URL(tUrl)' and 'set the textstyle of char 10 to 20 of fld
> "myField" to "bold"' (although that will depend on what texttype is already
> in that field potentially - it can be a bit kooky at times).
> 
> Other things in html5 deployment you will run into that will most likely
> frustrate a little.
> 
> Regarding 'post', note the following from the LC dictionary:
> Cross-platform note: The HTML5 engine only supports HTTP and HTTPs
> protocols. ((ie, you can't use file;//, ftp://, etc))
> Cross-platform note: URLs fetched by the HTML5 engine from a domain other
> than that of the hosting the page may be blocked by web browsers, unless
> the server hosting the URL sets the "Access-Control-Origin" header
> appropriately. ((But as you are likely hosting the PHP you will have
> control over that))
> 
> If you run into any specific HTML5 deployment issues I'd be happy to help
> you through if you want to PM me at all.
> 
> Sean
> 
> On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 20:20, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Colin,
>> 
>> just tried here with a Livecode Server script not with a php script.
>> 
>> Posting data from an Html5 stack to an url definitely works.
>> (see https://livecode.dermattes.de/postmr/postmr.html <
>> https://livecode.dermattes.de/postmr/postmr.html>)
>> 
>> What i do not get working is setting the text style. Even if i set the
>> style already in the IDE and built the html5 standalone the text style is
>> reset to plain when the html5 stack is displayed in the browser.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 13.09.2021 um 04:53 schrieb Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> I want to have an online text editor, that can post some styled text,
>> that then gets read into a desktop stack. There are a lot of HTML styled
>> text editors around, but I thought I may as well try using LiveCode for
>> that part as well.
>>> 
>>> Two issues I’ve hit are the setting of the style of the text, and then
>> posting the text to a PHP script, that stores the HTML changes.
>>> 
>>> Can these lines work in an HTML published stack?:
>>> 
>>> post data to URL theurl
>>> 
>>> and:
>>> 
>>> set the textstyle of the selection to bold
>>> 
>>> 
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Couple of HTML questions

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I want to have an online text editor, that can post some styled text, that then 
gets read into a desktop stack. There are a lot of HTML styled text editors 
around, but I thought I may as well try using LiveCode for that part as well.

Two issues I’ve hit are the setting of the style of the text, and then posting 
the text to a PHP script, that stores the HTML changes.

Can these lines work in an HTML published stack?:

post data to URL theurl

and:

set the textstyle of the selection to bold



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Re: Whatever happened to on-rev?

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At least the page apologizes to you.


> On Aug 24, 2021, at 9:10 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 8/20/21 1:52 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:
> 
> You should never be able to access either http://on-rev.com 
>  or https of same, this site is no longer used and 
> redirects to livecode.com .
> 
> Actually, no.
> It redirects to http://on-rev.com/cgi-sys/defaultwebpage.cgi
> which is apparently the cPanel equivalent of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: Whatever happened to on-rev?

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quartz.on-rev.com doesn’t work for me, but https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083 
<https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/> is now getting me to the c-panel sign in 
page, which then works.


> On Aug 19, 2021, at 8:35 PM, Tim Selander via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> A few weeks back (months?) they upgraded the servers. I have two accounts, 
> personal and work. Before they were on different servers, but after the 
> upgrade, both are on quartz.on-rev.com <http://quartz.on-rev.com/>, and I can 
> get at them through c-panel.
> 
> Same user name and password.
> 
> Recommend contacting support -- on-...@runrev.com <mailto:on-...@runrev.com> 
> -- to ask what server you are on now.
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo
> 
> On 8/20/21 10:23 AM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>> I recently had to use my space there, and this is the path to use:
>> https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083 <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/> 
>> <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/ <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/>>
>> Having said that, right now it’s not loading.
>>> On Aug 19, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, it's complicated -)
>>> 
>>> For me (Chrome on Mac), I get
>>> 
>>> on-rev.com   : redirects to livecode.com and all works ok
>>> 
>>> www.on-rev.com : gives error page (in French) and Error 403
>>> 
>>> https://on-rev.com : gives scary "connection is not private", etc. message
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> On 20/08/2021 00:59, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> I am getting an error that I do not have permission to access the site. I 
>>>> have a lifetime license.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 19, 2021, at 16:54 , Jerry Jensen via use-livecode 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eh, wot?
>>>>> For me it redirects to https://livecode.com (in Safari on a mac).
>>>>> .Jerry
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> looks like it bit the dust.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://on-rev.com/
>>>>>> 
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Re: Whatever happened to on-rev?

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I recently had to use my space there, and this is the path to use:

https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083 

Having said that, right now it’s not loading.


> On Aug 19, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, it's complicated -)
> 
> For me (Chrome on Mac), I get
> 
> on-rev.com   : redirects to livecode.com and all works ok
> 
> www.on-rev.com : gives error page (in French) and Error 403
> 
> https://on-rev.com : gives scary "connection is not private", etc. message
> 
> Alex.
> 
> On 20/08/2021 00:59, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> I am getting an error that I do not have permission to access the site. I 
>> have a lifetime license.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2021, at 16:54 , Jerry Jensen via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Eh, wot?
>>> For me it redirects to https://livecode.com (in Safari on a mac).
>>> .Jerry
>>> 
 On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 ?
 looks like it bit the dust.
 
 http://on-rev.com/
 
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Re: xAPI in LiveCode Week #3 Meeting TODAY 2 PM

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I was going to ask whose 2pm is it, but I tried the link, and it told me it was 
my 12pm. So, just under two hours from now.


> On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:00 AM, Brian K. Duck via use-livecode 
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> Hello, 
> 
> Here is the zoom invite:
> Brian Duck is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
> 
> Topic: xAPI in LiveCode Week #3 Zoom Meeting
> Time: Feb 19, 2021 02:00 PM America/Detroit
> 
> Join Zoom Meeting
> https://us04web.zoom.us/j/71031947408?pwd=MzNzTWUwak16UDBlanhsTGNLY1p2UT09
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> Meeting ID: 710 3194 7408
> Passcode: s7TM6U
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Re: Big Sur bugs

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I haven’t tested much, but LiveCode seems to work normally in Big Sur on Intel, 
and on the M1 chip machines there is a – in front of each menu item, but 
otherwise it’s working.


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Re: Big Sur issues

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

In related news, I have an ARM64 Mac mini, and LC seems to be running ok.

With the Tab Panel issue, did you notice that as you dragged it into place you 
could see the first tab’s text? That suggests that the highlighter for the tab 
has transparency issues, not that text is missing.

WindowShape does work, but there is a card size backdrop. Also, while LiveCard 
is open all of your desktop is obscured by a backdrop as well.


> On Aug 25, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Bob, I may have to take you up on that. Hopefully it will get fixed. I 
> did tinker with it a bit and found that if I set the backgroundColor of the 
> button to something dark the text shows up, so the issue is the change in 
> appearance to the active tab being white - so the default white text  is 
> there, just not visible against a white background.
> 
> Marty
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> FYI I recently built my own tab control that looks almost exactly like the 
>> one the Mac displays, but it has two advantages: 
>> 
>> 1. It looks good on both Windows AND Mac. 
>> 2. It has support for Drag and Drop. 
>> 
>> You edit the tabs by right-clicking in the “pane” of the group object, then 
>> selecting Tabs. You use an answer dialog to enter a comma separated list of 
>> tabs. When these are built there are invisible buttons created over the top 
>> of the Segmented Control Widget tabs. (The only reason I did this is so I 
>> could drag over a button and it would hilite, and also because I could 
>> create a behavior that is applied to ALL the buttons, so I only have one 
>> place to go to edit the code for them.) 
>> 
>> Sizing works for every side but the top. I haven’t spent any time trying to 
>> figure that one out. Also, I’ve had problems adding more than one tab at a 
>> time, but I think I know what is wrong there. 
>> 
>> Let me know and I will try to kludge together a sample stack. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2020, at 3:27 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just installed the latest beta of the Big Sur OS on my MacBook Pro and 
>>> ran an LC app built in 9.6.1 (that works fine on Catalina) and right off it 
>>> looks like 2 things are broken:
>>> 
>>> 1) Tabbed buttons - the active tab does not show the text, it’s just blank 
>>> white. Tried both Light and Dark modes with no difference
>>> 2) WindowShape - whatever graphic you’ve selected for the shape is ignored
>>> 
>>> Anybody else finding these or other issues?
>>> 
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Re: OFFLIST Re: Animation Engine: speed tips

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

We’re all curious!

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On the use-livecode list you wrote:
> > Hey Alex,
> >
> > Public Domain it is. I’ve set it free couple. of years back, as I am
> > essentially no longer writing code. :-) Still following LiveCodes
> > progress with interest though.  :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Malte
> 
> If you're no coding, what are you up to these days?
> 
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Re: Platform Divergence

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Something they did show was a demo of a high end Intel CPU compiled game, and 
with Rosetta 2 the performance was good. I think it will be a few years before 
having to take advantage of native hardware will matter, and if LiveCode is 
built with Xcode, there is already a way to compile so that the application 
supports both sets of hardware.
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Re: Chromebook apps?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Would HTML5 be a better option?


> On Jun 22, 2020, at 10:51 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> A LOT of elementary school teachers are using Chromebooks to teach online. 
> So… I am wondering what the current situation is with Android (?) apps on 
> Chromebooks.
> 
> Is anybody developing apps for Chromebooks? Are there gothchas? Any pointers 
> to online Chromebook specific docs? I may invest in a Chromebook, for 
> testing, but would like to scope out the landscape before I waste my time.
> 
> Thanks for any offerings.
> Best,
> Bill
> 
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Re: LC 9.6.0 RC1 Splash/Launch Images

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

What I’ve done for a while is to use a flat color that is the average of the 
colors in the actual title screen. The splash screen is not around for very 
long, and with there being lots of different sizes required, a detailed splash 
screen could possibly take up 50 MB of app side, for the sake of a fraction of 
a second.

In the best case it feels like the title screen faded into view. In fact, you 
could do that, quickly fade in from a matching flat background color.


> On May 17, 2020, at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Graham,
> 
> The new storyboard mechanism has some restrictions as it is (we might
> enhance it in the future)
> 
> For example it is no longer possible to have an exact (pixel) matching of
> the splash screen and the first card of the stack as it appears on the
> device
> 
> So the best suggestion now is to use a splash image that has just a logo at
> the center and it is transparent, and also to set the background of the
> splash in the standalone settings.
> 
> In that way, in all devices (ipads/iphones) you will get a centered logo
> with the background you set in the standalone settings (or you can choose
> to not set the background - in this case the default background color will
> be used depending on the device appearance: white if the device is on light
> mode and black if the device is on dark mode)
> 
> Of course, if you do not wish to have a splash that shows just a logo, you
> can choose a regular image (or 3 regular images, one for each 1x,2x,3x
> slots) and also set the background color to match the image background
> color. In this case, depending of the device, the app will use the one of
> the three images that is closer to the device screen size, and will center
> this image to the screen.
> 
> This means that the image in some devices will either match exactly, or it
> will be larger (in this case it will be cropped and the edges will not
> show), or it will be smaller (in this case it will be centered at the
> device screen, and the left/top/right/bottom areas will show the background
> color that was set in the standalone settings.
> 
> One might ask, what size should the images be then? Well, it depends on the
> images (i.e. how much content they have at the center, and if you are OK if
> some of the content at the edges is cropped etc). A rule of thumb - as I
> understand it - is the following:
> 
> -use a "small", a "medium" and a "large" image for each of the 1x, 2x and
> 3x slots, where "small" is the smallest image you used before the
> storyboard, "large" is the largest you used before, and "medium" is
> something in-between.
> 
> For example, you could try images with these dimensions:
> 
> - 1334x750
> - 2208x1242 (x2)
> - 2732x2048 (x3)
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> We will write a lesson for this topic soon.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
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> On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 17:49, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> This is not to answer my own question, but to emphasise the apparent
>> difficulty of getting this aspect of creating an iOS app right just by
>> using just LC and a reasonable graphics editor on a Mac. It means to me
>> that a lot of careful instructions need to be provided by somebody in the
>> LC universe, since the policy (I sincerely hope!) is to get LC developers
>> to avoid getting deep into XCode. I found this, which frankly scares me.
>> 
>> https://wiki.starling-framework.org/manual/ios_launch_images
>> 
>> Can anyone help me to a less nerdy way of getting this right? I don’t
>> even know what a storyboard is!
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 16 May 2020, at 00:40, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see that the iOS Standalone Settings have changed in this version, no
>> doubt to accommodate Apple’s new rules. One is required to provide six
>> images as “Launch Images” under the “Splash” tab. It seems that there’s an
>> image, a 2x image and a 3x image, and then another three for dark mode.
>>> 
>>> There is no tooltip to suggest how large these images should be - in
>> previous versions they had to be tailored to different device screen sizes.
>> Now it seems anything goes, or does it?
>>> 
>>> Can anyone explain what the dimensions of these images are supposed to
>> be? Does “2x” just mean twice the original size in each direction or what?
>> Can’t see anything in the release notes, but maybe I wasn’t paying
>> attention.
>>> 
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Re: Small and strange problem

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Do you have an earlier line where you have set tMins? If it has never been set, 
would you export tMins/60 to work?

Aside from that, there was a change in LiveCode 7 or 8, where you could no 
longer create a variable on the first line that it is used. You need to have 
declared it earlier on.


> On May 11, 2020, at 2:24 AM, AndyP via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I seem to have my posts dropped at the moment hence this,
> 
> I'm seeing the same error
> 
> with 
> 
> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>  put (tMins/60) into tMins
>  answer tMins
> end mouseUp
> 
> button "Button": execution error at line 2 (Operators /: error in left 
> operand), char 1
> 
> Interestingly this
> 
> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>  try
>put (tMins/60) into tMins
>  catch tError
>if tError then answer "An Error Occurred;"  && tError & return & "tMins =" 
> && tMins
>  end try
> end mouseUp
> 
> does NOT through an error or a catch error message
> 
> 
> If however tMins is initialized then all works as expected
> 
> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>  put 20 into tMins
>  put (tMins/60) into tMins
>  answer tMins
> end mouseUp
> 
> ???
> 
> 
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Another off topic challenge

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Many of you are way more into tricky Windows things than I am, so I thought it 
would be worth asking this here.

In my Windows 10 I can run this line in PowerShell:

Get-WmiObject -Query "SELECT * FROM Win32_ComputerSystem”

It echos a few lines of information about my system. When I try the same on a 
customer’s machine I get this:

Get-WmiObject : Invalid class "Win32_ComputerSystem"
At line:1 char:1
+ Get-WmiObject -Query "SELECT * FROM Win32_ComputerSystem"
+ ~
+ CategoryInfo  : InvalidType: (:) [Get-WmiObject], 
ManagementException
+ FullyQualifiedErrorId : 
GetWMIManagementException,Microsoft.PowerShell.Commands.GetWmiObjectCommand


What is Win32_ComputerSystem, and what could make it be invalid?


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Re: Most obscure HC question

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

That looked hopeful, but requires Power Tools. I do have HyperCard installer 
discs somewhere…


> On May 4, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Paul McClernan wrote:
> 
> > That old HC stack that removes the HC engine leaving only a stack file
> > is here:
> > https://archive.org/details/hypercard_standalone-stripper-232
> 
> From the link:
>   This stack 'deconverts' HyperCard standalone applications into
>   stacks by removing the 'stock' standalone resources, changing
>   the file's Type and Creator codes to 'STAK' and 'WILD', and
>   clearing the new stack's 'hasBundle' bit.
> 
> Can also be done with ResEdit or LC:
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2020-May/260175.html
> 
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Re: Most obscure HC question

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Thanks for the suggestions.

The ideas about resizing the card window is what I had already tried. The 
scroller window only allows the window to be made smaller, it won’t go bigger. 
Double clicking in the scroller makes the card window hide or show, it doesn’t 
do the expected make the window the size of the card.

I had tried changing the APPL to STAK, and that does let me open it in 
HyperCard. The card window is the correct size when I do that. The stack ends 
up locking up though, because it does use xcmds, and those are resources in the 
standalone app version, they’re not in HyperCard.

Deleting most of the resources, not the xcmdd and xfcns, does make the stack 
work in HyperCard, but I lost a lot of the graphics doing that.

I found that I could edit the script using a hex editor, and put in a line to 
set the size of the card (replacing a line that wasn’t vital). That broke the 
stack, but I may try it again.

I added script to show the message box, but it seems that the standalone player 
doesn’t include the HyperTalk interpreter, attempts to set the rect of the card 
failed, as would anything I typed.

I will keep trying other ideas.


> On May 3, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can you explicitly set the text of the card in an openCard handler?
> 
> Craig Newman 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 2, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I fear that the HyperCard group in Yahoo may be lost. Please let me know if 
>> that isn’t true.
>> 
>> But between you all you may remember something that will help me. I have a 
>> standalone HC application, and it opens with a window that shows that you 
>> are only seeing part of the card window. The card window doesn’t resize, and 
>> I can’t remember how to make it be bigger. Here’s things that didn’t work:
>> 
>> Setting a ton of memory.
>> Setting Monitors to match the card size.
>> Resizing the preview rectangle. You can only resize it smaller.
>> Resizing the card window.
>> Clicking the zoom box.
>> 
>> As it’s a standalone application I can’t easily get at the stack, but feel 
>> sure there was a way to hack the stack out of a standalone.
>> 
>> Anyway, please enjoy the challenge of remembering this far back!
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Re: Most obscure HC question

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

That is the whole reference guide. I have physical copies of that! Was there a 
particular part that might help with the ‘maximize’ card size problem?


> On May 2, 2020, at 5:39 PM, doc hawk via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Colin called,
>> 
>> But between you all you may remember something that will help me. I have a 
>> standalone HC application, and it opens with a window that shows that you 
>> are only seeing part of the card window. The card window doesn’t resize, and 
>> I can’t remember how to make it be bigger. Here’s things that didn’t work:
> 
> 
> Does this help?
> 
> https://cancel.fm/stuff/share/HyperCard_Reference_1.pdf 
> 
> 
> It’s for 2.5, but seems to cover it.
> 
> I had to switch from hypercard to supercars to have multiple windows.  Once 
> Hypercard 2.0 came out with multiple views, I would have had to copy/paste 
> every last control to go back, so only transferred the main script for other 
> applications of my tech.
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Most obscure HC question

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I fear that the HyperCard group in Yahoo may be lost. Please let me know if 
that isn’t true.

But between you all you may remember something that will help me. I have a 
standalone HC application, and it opens with a window that shows that you are 
only seeing part of the card window. The card window doesn’t resize, and I 
can’t remember how to make it be bigger. Here’s things that didn’t work:

Setting a ton of memory.
Setting Monitors to match the card size.
Resizing the preview rectangle. You can only resize it smaller.
Resizing the card window.
Clicking the zoom box.

As it’s a standalone application I can’t easily get at the stack, but feel sure 
there was a way to hack the stack out of a standalone.

Anyway, please enjoy the challenge of remembering this far back!

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Re: MP3s

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I don’t know where it is now, probably lost, but I had a JVC quadraphonic 8 
Track player. It could play regular 8 Track, which involved playing two tracks 
on the first loop and the other two tracks on the second loop, or it could play 
the four tracks in one loop. I only had a few tapes for it, one of those was a 
special recording of The Six Wives of Henry the Eighth, by Rick Wakeman.


> On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Graham Samuel wrote:
> 
> > Well, Richard, as usual you say something informative and useful!
> >
> > I didn’t know that LC could play a sound file in MP3 format.
> 
> LC's Player control uses the host OS's playback engine, so as long as the 
> OS-supplied media player can handle a format, LC should be able to as well.
> 
> 
> > Instinctively I thought that an audioclip was the way to go, because I
> > saw it as a small chunk of data best embedded in my app. In my mind,
> > the format of an external file trades flexibility (the user or the app
> > can switch content easily) against a massive overhead of storage and
> > software mechanics and potential delays due to loading etc, whereas
> > the audioclip is small, clean, and can be started and stopped with no
> > overheads.
> 
> True, reading the media file takes a bit more time than a clip already in RAM 
> with the rest of the stack file.  But in many cases it's not noticeable.  And 
> where it is noticeable it probably has less to do with the file I/O than the 
> codec itself:  HC's SND resources had few compression options, and MC's 
> audioclips were limited to .au format, which IIRC isn't compressed at all.
> 
> It might be nice to see LC expand the internal clips options to support the 
> same range of formats/codecs the Player does. But even then it would be 
> limited to smaller files where it's practical to load them all into RAM with 
> the rest of the stack file, modestly useful for some projects but prohibitive 
> with longer files.
> 
> As for user modification, the files can be in the Mac bundle, and on Windows 
> usually an installer is required anyway so you can put them in any useful 
> place the user is unlikely to stumble across them accidentally (this isn't a 
> problem at all on Linix - the absence of a functional Player in that LC 
> version simplifies many things ).
> 
> I miss the simplicity of delivering true stand-alone apps, but with so many 
> of the most lauded features of LC 8-and-later having been implemented as 
> externals, adding some media files to the mix doesn't affect deployment 
> options much.
> 
> If there's a security or other concern requiring the files be protected from 
> user manipulation, there are options for that.  Like any DRM, there's usually 
> a tradeoff between strength and ease of implementation, but if it's needed we 
> can explore it.
> 
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Re: MP3s

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

For AIFF and WAV the file size is affected by the sample rate, number of bits, 
and number of channels. For MP3, only the data rate determines the file size.


> On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 4/12/20 11:07 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> "Just for fun" I exported a sound file as WAV, AIFF and MP3 using Audacity"
>> WAV 36.9 MB
>> AIFF  36.9 MB
>> MP3  4.4 MB
>> which means that WAV and AIFF stink about 9 times more than MP3
> 
> For the record, mp3 is a lossy format while WAV and AIFF are lossless. And 
> your file size will depend on the bitness of the compaction.
> 
>> NWO: as Audacity is Open Source: https://www.audacityteam.org/
>> and can import, read and export sound files in MP3 format . . .
> 
> The mp3 format used to be "protected" by patent licensing but was set free a 
> few years ago, so is now available for general use.
> 
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Re: Go to card has become slow

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I have an interest in this topic, and even some ideas, but I’ve been swamped 
with other demands and not able to read every post. Is there a short way to say 
where you are at with the discussion, or a test script that will show a problem?
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Re: Mobile screen sizes - another naive question

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

That description doesn’t seem correct. It partly depends on the aspect ratio of 
the card. With showAll you know that all of the card area will be visible. With 
noBorder you know that there will not be any black borders to the left and 
right, or top and bottom of the card area.

So, with showAll either the width of the card will fill the width of the 
screen, or the height of the card will fit the height of the screen (or both 
could be true). The other axis will reveal what was off the edges of the card 
window.

With noBorder the same width and height matching will happen, but the other 
axis will cut into the card area instead of revealing what was outside of the 
card area.

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:53 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's similar to noBorder, but noBorder scales to the short side of the 
> screenrect and showAll scales to the long side (regardless of orientation.)
> 
> I think. I get those two mixed up.
> 
> On 4/10/20 1:14 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> Good catch. It would be great if the Lessons were in Github so they could be 
>> enhanced by the community. I guess for now a comment there is the only 
>> mechanism for filing enhancement requests.
>> How does showAll differ from the options shown there?
> 
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Re: Video format for mobile

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Only H.264/AAC is acceptable!

Have you tried setting hardware acceleration rendering to be on?

Have you tried including a small video file in the app, to help rule out 
security issues?


> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 4/9/20 3:41 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>> A long time ago it was possible to work around hardware acceleration issues 
>> by playing the video at a different size. That is, a 1920x1080 playback 
>> would fail and a 1920x1081 would work. It was just a trick to force the 
>> player to use software instead of hardware.
> 
> 
> I have a hard deadline in a short time. If necessary we'll have to convert at 
> least a few of the videos to something else if the problem isn't resolved by 
> dp4.
> 
> What codec is acceptable?
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Re: Video format for mobile

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

A long time ago it was possible to work around hardware acceleration issues by 
playing the video at a different size. That is, a 1920x1080 playback would fail 
and a 1920x1081 would work. It was just a trick to force the player to use 
software instead of hardware.


> On Apr 9, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> This sounds like a bug we are currently fixing (hopefully in time for 
> 9.6-DP-4) - the android player doesn’t currently play nicely with accelerated 
> rendering... Turning that off should mean things play properly.
> 
> We use the system player object so MP4 should be fine.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 9 Apr 2020, at 20:31, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I tried the browser widget: no audio, no video, white screen, no browser 
>> outline on Android.
>> 
>> I tried a mobile browser (mobileControlCreate): audio plays, no video, white 
>> screen.
>> 
>> So yeah, it looks like there's no codec. The widget on desktop doesn't play 
>> it either. If I ask the client to re-do the videos, what codec should I ask 
>> for? I was told that we had to use their existing videos, so I'm not even 
>> sure they will re-do them.
>> 
>>> On 4/9/20 1:01 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news here.  :(
>>> if its h264 the browser widget won't play it. If you saw video but no audio
>>> then thats one thing.but no video means the video codec is also absent.
 On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 They're kind of huge (like 400 MB) so I didn't copy them to my phone, but
 they play okay on Mac
 using Firefox and on Android using Chrome browser. I guess that doesn't
 tell us much.
 
 Swami suggested to me privately that he uses a browser widget to play
 videos so I will try that
 next.
 
 On 4/9/20 9:20 AM, Mark Talluto via use-livecode wrote:
> What happens if you play the file locally on each device?
> 
> -Mark
> 
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:22 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Not sure what you mean by "an existing app" but my test app uses
>> mobileControlCreate to set up
>> a mobile player. When it accesses the video from my server, it's all
 black
>> with no video or
>> audio, and the nonexistent playback quits a few seconds in.
>> 
>> I'm not sure whether these videos were created with streaming in mind. I
>> vaguely remember we
>> used to need to set a "streaming" checkbox when creating a video. Is
 that
>> still required?
>> 
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Re: Video format for mobile

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

QuickTime Player can play it, but it doesn’t need QuickTime.

I’m not sure what player LiveCode uses on Android, but it is highly likely to 
be able to cope.

Is the LC Player an existing Android app?

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 5:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I asked this before, looking for the best format for video files on both 
> Android and iOS. Colin suggested H.264 as the codec, and MP4 as the file 
> format. I have a video with those specs but it won't play in the LC player, 
> and the Mac wants to open it with QuickTime. VLC will play it.
> 
> Get Info shows the codec as H.264, AAC. The file extension is mp4. Is AAC the 
> problem (that's the audio format, right?) What should it be?
> 
> I haven't tried it on mobile yet, but if it needs QT I'm pretty sure it won't 
> work.
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Re: Problems locating Android SDK

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

You may have read the path where tools are as being where you need to point 
LiveCode to. Point LiveCode to ~/Library/Android/SDK, and not 
~/Library/Android/SDK/Tools


> On Apr 6, 2020, at 11:32 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Colin Holgate wrote:
> 
> > On Apr 6, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm setting up a new machine for Android development.
> >>
> >> Where is the one-page list of steps on the livecode.com site that
> >> reliably guides a new user through this for all supported platforms
> >> (Mac, Win, Linux)?
> >>
> >> This one fails:
> >> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/2571/l/625198-livecode-and-android-studio
> >
> > That link does work, and helps to solve the problem. The current
> > Android Studio comes with Android 10 installed, and LiveCode needs
> > Android 9.
> 
> The link itself works, in that it goes to a page. :)
> 
> But I have followed its instructions to install Android 9, and pointed my LC 
> prefs to the folder shown in the screen shot, and LC reports:
> 
>  The chosen folder is not a valid Android SDK. Please
>  ensure that you have installed it correctly, and enabled
>  support for 9.0 (API 28)
> 
> 
> When I run Android Studio it all seems to work.  But LC says it doesn't.
> 
> What did I miss?
> 
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Re: Problems locating Android SDK

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

That link does work, and helps to solve the problem. The current Android Studio 
comes with Android 10 installed, and LiveCode needs Android 9.


> On Apr 6, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm setting up a new machine for Android development.
> 
> Where is the one-page list of steps on the livecode.com site that reliably 
> guides a new user through this for all supported platforms (Mac, Win, Linux)?
> 
> This one fails:
> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/2571/l/625198-livecode-and-android-studio
> 
> 
> #CriticalDocumentationBugsThatTurnOffNewUsers
> 
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Re: Problems locating Android SDK

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

You could give the path that you are using. Also, did you have to set up any 
virtual machines? Long ago LiveCode was only happy if you had an Android 2.2 
virtual device.


> On Apr 5, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mine is working, I'm wondering if I can put it a dropbox for you. (4.6 GB) Or 
> does it put your "machine signature" on it  when you install it.  I remember 
> having to "down grade it"  to build-tools 29.0.01 to get it to be seen by LC,
> 
> BR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/5/20, 12:46 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Skip Kimpel via 
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>okay, glad it is not just me then.
> 
>SKIP
> 
> 
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Re: Problems locating Android SDK

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I manually downloaded Tools from here:

https://developer.android.com/studio

And put it into the SDK folder. LiveCode is still not happy.


> On Apr 5, 2020, at 4:09 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Skip,
> 
> the problem is that Android Studio 3.6.x does not install Android command 
> line tools by default.
> 
> this is an excerpt of the update LC lesson 
> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/2571/l/625198-livecode-and-android-studio
> 
> 
> 
> Update: Android Studio 3.6 has stopped to install the android command line 
> tools by default. These tools were stored in the 
> /Users/youruser/Library/Android/sdk/tools folder, and contained some 
> necessary jar files that are needed to build for Android.
> 
> You can still force Android Studio 3.6 to download these tools:
> 
> - Launch Android Studio and go to Configure -> "SDK Manager"
> 
> - In the new window open "System Settings -> Android SDK". 
> 
> - From there pick the tab "SDK Tools". 
> 
> - Uncheck the "Hide Obsolete Packages" option in the bottom of the window. 
> 
> - Now there should appear a new option: "Android SDK Tools (Obsolete)" - 
> check that, hit "Apply" - it will download the files and "Tools" folder will 
> appear in the /Users/youruser/Library/Android/sdk/ folder:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> HTH,
> 
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
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> 
>> Am 05.04.2020 um 23:55 schrieb Skip Kimpel via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Very helpful, thank you Colin. and I knew it would not be that easy.
>> Now I get a message that says "The chosen folder is not a valid Android
>> SDK.  Please ensure you have installed it correctly, and enabled support
>> for 9.0 (api 28).   I went back into Android Studio and verified the path
>> was correct and that I had checked the box for version 9.0, which I had.
>> Any other suggestions for this new phase I am stuck at?
>> 
>> SKIP
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 5:47 PM Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> In Finder there is a Go menu, in which you can Go to Folder… Then you type
>>> in the path to the hidden user library to get there. The same thing works
>>> in open dialogs. When you are pointing LiveCode to the Android SDK, type
>>> command-shift-g, and put in:
>>> 
>>> ~/Library/Android/sdk/
>>> 
>>> That path isn’t exactly right I’m sure, LiveCode doesn’t recognize it as
>>> valid Android SDK root. It’s been a few years since I had to set that path.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am relatively new to Mac so if this is an easy fix, sorry for asking.
>>> I
>>>> have installed Android Studio and the SDK is located in my user/library
>>>> directory.  I figured out how to reveal the library folder using Finder
>>> but
>>>> when I try to browse to the SDK location in Livecode settings, I am not
>>>> able to get there.
>>>> 
>>>> Can anybody help?  This is driving me nuts because I  know it is a quick
>>>> fix.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
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Re: Problems locating Android SDK

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

In Finder there is a Go menu, in which you can Go to Folder… Then you type in 
the path to the hidden user library to get there. The same thing works in open 
dialogs. When you are pointing LiveCode to the Android SDK, type 
command-shift-g, and put in:

~/Library/Android/sdk/

That path isn’t exactly right I’m sure, LiveCode doesn’t recognize it as valid 
Android SDK root. It’s been a few years since I had to set that path.


> On Apr 5, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am relatively new to Mac so if this is an easy fix, sorry for asking.  I
> have installed Android Studio and the SDK is located in my user/library
> directory.  I figured out how to reveal the library folder using Finder but
> when I try to browse to the SDK location in Livecode settings, I am not
> able to get there.
> 
> Can anybody help?  This is driving me nuts because I  know it is a quick
> fix.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Save stack in HTML5

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I made progress getting the basic stack going, the main hold ups were ‘wait' 
and 'the system date', neither of those work.

What approach is needed if the stack has text entry that you want to persist 
when the page is reloaded? Save this stack seems not to work. 
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Re: Getting HTML5 going

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The simple test worked, but the missing file errors still showed up.

I will try some old fashioned answer “hello” lines in the stack scripts, to see 
how far the real stack is getting.
 
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> You shouldn’t need the stdio.html file at all. It is a placeholder 
> effectively for some other command you are referencing. 
> 
> Again, both using community and Indy and html5deployment versions I have no 
> issue with 404 errors like this. So it’s likely something in your setup. So a 
> step-by-step guide of your process will help us pin it down for you 
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
> 
> 
>> On 23 Mar 2020, at 15:48, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> stdio.h is file I/O, and I have copies of that in Unity. The missing file 
>> is stdio.html, not sure what that is, but maybe a JavaScript variation of 
>> the C header file. 
>> 
>> I have Indy installed now, and am trying to retrieve my license to give that 
>> a go.
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Colin
>>> 
>>> I’ve done a bit of digging and stdio is an api for file IO used in 
>>> emscripten. It’s also used for accessing external site pages. Additionally, 
>>> LC uses it to write to the log message box on your main page. 
>>> 
>>> So, I’m curious about the method you go through to get to this point of 
>>> error. Here are a series of questions that should get to the bottom of it. 
>>> 
>>> What platform are you running on?
>>> What platforms are you building for as set in the standalone settings?
>>> What browser are you running the HTML5 deployment in?
>>> How have you setup your localhost server?
>>> 
>>> Finally
>>> What is your recipe for failure from the point you load your stack in to LC 
>>> to when you get the 404 message, step by step?
>>> 
>>> Sean Cole
>>> Pi Digital
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 21 Mar 2020, at 23:30, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have only used the standalone publishing, I’m not doing anything 
>>>> custom. Line 48 of standalone-community-9.5.1.js is what is talking to the 
>>>> stdio.html file. That part of the code says this:
>>>> 
>>>> http.open("POST",”stdio.html"
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Getting HTML5 going

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I deselect everything in standalone application settings except for HTML5. I 
choose Save as Standalone Application, and when it is done I copy the files 
into a folder inside my home / Sites folder. I do rename the html to index.html 
because another approach I was trying required there to be an index.html file. 
I tested without renaming the file, same symptoms.

I start the localhost server with php -S localhost:8080, and then use Chrome to 
look at http://localhost:8080/Sites/MyAppName/MyAppName.html 
<http://localhost:8080/Sites/MyAppName/MyAppName.html>. The stack loads and I 
see card 1. Graphics are there but buttons are missing icons, which is 
understandable. The stack would normally go on to another card, but it stays on 
card 1, not responding.

These are the lines that appear in Terminal:

[Mon Mar 23 10:02:44 2020] [::1]:58416 [404]: / - No such file or directory
[Mon Mar 23 10:02:44 2020] [::1]:58417 [404]: /favicon.ico - No such file or 
directory
[Mon Mar 23 10:03:09 2020] [::1]:58451 [200]: /Sites/MyAppName/MyAppName.html
[Mon Mar 23 10:03:09 2020] [::1]:58452 [200]: 
/Sites/MyAppName/standalone-community-9.5.1.html.mem
[Mon Mar 23 10:03:09 2020] [::1]:58453 [200]: 
/Sites/MyAppName/standalone-community-9.5.1.js
[Mon Mar 23 10:03:12 2020] [::1]:58454 [404]: /Sites/MyAppName/stdio.html - No 
such file or directory
[Mon Mar 23 10:03:12 2020] [::1]:58455 [200]: /Sites/MyAppName/standalone.zip
[Mon Mar 23 10:03:12 2020] [::1]:58456 [404]: /Sites/MyAppName/stdio.html - No 
such file or directory
[Mon Mar 23 10:03:15 2020] [::1]:58457 [404]: /Sites/MyAppName/stdio.html - No 
such file or directory


I tried a test build to Mac 64 bit, and that works fine. Next I will try the 
simplest possible stack, and see if that shows any errors.


> On Mar 23, 2020, at 9:53 AM, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> You shouldn’t need the stdio.html file at all. It is a placeholder 
> effectively for some other command you are referencing. 
> 
> Again, both using community and Indy and html5deployment versions I have no 
> issue with 404 errors like this. So it’s likely something in your setup. So a 
> step-by-step guide of your process will help us pin it down for you 
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
> 
> 
>> On 23 Mar 2020, at 15:48, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> stdio.h is file I/O, and I have copies of that in Unity. The missing file 
>> is stdio.html, not sure what that is, but maybe a JavaScript variation of 
>> the C header file. 
>> 
>> I have Indy installed now, and am trying to retrieve my license to give that 
>> a go.
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Colin
>>> 
>>> I’ve done a bit of digging and stdio is an api for file IO used in 
>>> emscripten. It’s also used for accessing external site pages. Additionally, 
>>> LC uses it to write to the log message box on your main page. 
>>> 
>>> So, I’m curious about the method you go through to get to this point of 
>>> error. Here are a series of questions that should get to the bottom of it. 
>>> 
>>> What platform are you running on?
>>> What platforms are you building for as set in the standalone settings?
>>> What browser are you running the HTML5 deployment in?
>>> How have you setup your localhost server?
>>> 
>>> Finally
>>> What is your recipe for failure from the point you load your stack in to LC 
>>> to when you get the 404 message, step by step?
>>> 
>>> Sean Cole
>>> Pi Digital
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 21 Mar 2020, at 23:30, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have only used the standalone publishing, I’m not doing anything 
>>>> custom. Line 48 of standalone-community-9.5.1.js is what is talking to the 
>>>> stdio.html file. That part of the code says this:
>>>> 
>>>> http.open("POST",”stdio.html"
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Getting HTML5 going

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

stdio.h is file I/O, and I have copies of that in Unity. The missing file is 
stdio.html, not sure what that is, but maybe a JavaScript variation of the C 
header file. 

I have Indy installed now, and am trying to retrieve my license to give that a 
go.

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Colin
> 
> I’ve done a bit of digging and stdio is an api for file IO used in 
> emscripten. It’s also used for accessing external site pages. Additionally, 
> LC uses it to write to the log message box on your main page. 
> 
> So, I’m curious about the method you go through to get to this point of 
> error. Here are a series of questions that should get to the bottom of it. 
> 
> What platform are you running on?
> What platforms are you building for as set in the standalone settings?
> What browser are you running the HTML5 deployment in?
> How have you setup your localhost server?
> 
> Finally
> What is your recipe for failure from the point you load your stack in to LC 
> to when you get the 404 message, step by step?
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
> 
> 
>> On 21 Mar 2020, at 23:30, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have only used the standalone publishing, I’m not doing anything custom. 
>> Line 48 of standalone-community-9.5.1.js is what is talking to the 
>> stdio.html file. That part of the code says this:
>> 
>> http.open("POST",”stdio.html"
>> 
>> 
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Re: Getting HTML5 going

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Mac, only building for HTML5, tried different browsers, but mainly Safari, 
local server set up with:

php -S localhost:8080

The graphics of the stack appear, but is covered by a gray box, that may or may 
not be something in the stack. I can tell from a field that shows the current 
date that even that isn’t running.

I see errors both in Terminal  or by viewing the browser developer console. The 
errors are there immediately, before I have attempted any interaction.


> On Mar 22, 2020, at 5:59 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Colin
> 
> I’ve done a bit of digging and stdio is an api for file IO used in 
> emscripten. It’s also used for accessing external site pages. Additionally, 
> LC uses it to write to the log message box on your main page. 
> 
> So, I’m curious about the method you go through to get to this point of 
> error. Here are a series of questions that should get to the bottom of it. 
> 
> What platform are you running on?
> What platforms are you building for as set in the standalone settings?
> What browser are you running the HTML5 deployment in?
> How have you setup your localhost server?
> 
> Finally
> What is your recipe for failure from the point you load your stack in to LC 
> to when you get the 404 message, step by step?
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
> 
> 
>> On 21 Mar 2020, at 23:30, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have only used the standalone publishing, I’m not doing anything custom. 
>> Line 48 of standalone-community-9.5.1.js is what is talking to the 
>> stdio.html file. That part of the code says this:
>> 
>> http.open("POST",”stdio.html"
>> 
>> 
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Re: Getting HTML5 going

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I have only used the standalone publishing, I’m not doing anything custom. Line 
48 of standalone-community-9.5.1.js is what is talking to the stdio.html file. 
That part of the code says this:

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Getting HTML5 going

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I’m trying to get a stack going in HTML5, and there is a 404 error about a file 
named stdio.html. Is that a file I’m supposed to get from somewhere else?


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Re: Mobile video formats

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

H.264 as the codec, and MP4 as the file format, ought to work on both.

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Re: OT: Apple Alumni Reunion?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Larry Tesler is one of the people in the photo on the event info page:

https://applereunion2020.com/event

Alas, we won’t be seeing him:

https://www.cultofmac.com/685669/larry-tesler-the-apple-employee-who-invented-cut-copy-paste-dies-at-74
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Re: OT: Apple Alumni Reunion?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I have a ticket. Didn’t yet figure out where I will stay, but I have a plane 
ticket too.

For anyone completely puzzled, it’s an Apple reunion where it’s only open to 
employees from the first 10 years, roughly speaking. The cut off is 1988. I 
worked at Apple Computer UK from October 1987 to end of Jan 1992, so I got an 
invite. It isn’t cheap, $100 per ticket. Also, guests are currently not allowed 
until they see what the attendance figures are like. Jim Armstrong says they 
will have a better idea in mid-March.


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Re: HyperCard: the Myst story

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Thanks for that. Voyager did well in the list, 15 out of the 50. 10 of which 
were in HyperCard. #1 I programmed on my own, and I also did some work on #4 
and #15.


> On Feb 10, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Colin,
> 
> I found this Mac User magazine!
> https://vintageapple.org/macuser/pdf/MacUser_9311_November_1993.pdf
> 
> Al
> 
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:21 PM
> Colin Holgate wrote:
>> In 1993 Mac User magazine had a review
>> of the top 50 CD-ROMs, and of those there
>> was an overall winner.
>> The A Hard Day’s Night CD-ROM I made
>> in HyperCard was the overall winner.
>> I was lucky that it was before Myst was
>> released. It would have easily won!
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Re: OMG text processing performance 6.7 - 9.5

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Would have been neat if it took 24601 milliseconds.


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Re: HyperCard: the Myst story

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

In 1993 Mac User magazine had a review of the top 50 CD-ROMs, and of those 
there was an overall winner. The A Hard Day’s Night CD-ROM I made in HyperCard 
was the overall winner. I was lucky that it was before Myst was released. It 
would have easily won!


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Re: Java update?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I don’t know if your version of LiveCode is an example, but many applications 
need Java 6 in particular, and macOS comes with Java 8. The solution is to 
install the legacy version of Java as well:

https://support.apple.com/kb/dl1572?locale=en_US 



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Re: Achilles Heel of Livecode

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

For Mickey Mouse, he would have been updated 12 times per second, and almost 
all cartoons you’ve ever watched were animated at 12 frames per second. The 
film was projected at 24 frames per second, and all normal movies you’ve seen 
in a cinema were also at 24 frame per second. PAL TV is 25 frames per second, 
and NTSC is 30 frame per second. So, those frame rates are clearly acceptable.

But, they are animations and not scrolling. With scrolling, updates of 12 per 
second are very noticeable, and even 30 frame per second can be seen as not 
smooth. Open a browser on a mobile device and scroll the page. It’s smoothly 
updating at 60 frame per second. I think that’s what people are asking for, not 
animated GIFs.
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Re: iOS scrollers

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

It would be good to have a simple stack to test that only is for showing the 
problem. One thing I would look at is how you are measuring coordinates when 
using ShowAll. With ShowAll and Portrait, of a card that is iPhone 4 sized, 
zero Y is not at the top of the iPhone 5 screen. If you are finding a way to 
base things off of the visible top of the screen, and not using the top of the 
card, then things will go wrong.
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Re: IPhone geometry

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

ShowAll will reveal the bits off the edges of the card. So long as you included 
the required stash screen the app will fill the taller screens.


> On Nov 30, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Le 30 nov. 2019 à 18:25, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  a écrit :
>> 
>> I think they would, but the iPhone 11 screen is the same ratio of the iPhone 
>> X screen. If you had successfully submitted for iPhone X, it should be ok 
>> for iPhone 11.
>> 
>> It only needs to be background though, but you could do some math and put 
>> buttons into the corners where the notches are (if your app hides the status 
>> bar that is).
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2019, at 12:18 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know if Apple will reject an app that doesn't fill the screen 
>>> on the newer tall phones?
> 
> I submittted a week ago an update to my app which was built for an iphone 4 
> screen ! (There is just a fullscreenmode to « show all ») and is on the App 
> Store !
> 
> Ludovic
> 
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Re: IPhone geometry

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I think they would, but the iPhone 11 screen is the same ratio of the iPhone X 
screen. If you had successfully submitted for iPhone X, it should be ok for 
iPhone 11.

It only needs to be background though, but you could do some math and put 
buttons into the corners where the notches are (if your app hides the status 
bar that is).


> On Nov 30, 2019, at 12:18 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if Apple will reject an app that doesn't fill the screen on 
> the newer tall phones?
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> 


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Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I originally bought Home, but at some point needed to do some RDP testing, 
which is a Pro feature. I think that currently my Parallels VM of Windows 10 
doesn’t know it’s Pro, I need to track down the registration codes.

Anyway, RDP aside, I didn’t yet need Pro features, and was testing with the 
Home version.

One of my needs is to support OpenGL 3.1, I haven’t tried VirtualBox to see if 
it handles that or not, so for now I’m happy with Parallels.


> On Oct 6, 2019, at 10:21 AM, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I am just setting up Virtual Box now on my iMac.  I need to purchase of copy 
> of Windows 10.  I am just wondering whether people would recommend Windows 10 
> Home or Pro.  Any real difference when it comes to developing or testing?  Is 
> it best again to stick to the lowest common denominator principle and go with 
> Windows 10 Home?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Martin Koob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2019, at 12:33 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> All that said, I've enjoyed the convenience of VMs for decades, and a few 
>> years ago Mark Wieder suggested I try VirtualBox - never used anything else 
>> since.  It's free and open source, and when I last used Parallels I found 
>> VirtualBox was able to restore sessions in a fraction of the time.
>> 
>> With a VM you can share the Clipboard across OSes, as well as folders, 
>> hardware, and more.  Being able to copy code from my dev OS into the test OS 
>> has been a godsend of a convenience more times than I can count.
>> 
>> Running a second OS within your main OS will eat some RAM;  Min. 8 GB, 16 GB 
>> feels luxurious.
>> 
>> Whether virtual or physical, the OS choice is no choice: Windows 10 is the 
>> present and future of Windows.  What I personally prefer doesn't matter for 
>> testing.  I need what my customers use, and while it can be useful to spin 
>> up VMs with older Windows versions, Win10 is where the action is today, and 
>> tomorrow.
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Re: ...and a challenge

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Pi is a reserved work, so I used pie. I haven’t seen this way of producing Pi 
before, and in both JavaScript and LivceCode it seems to be instantaneous. I 
think it’s a rewording of 4*(1-1/3+1/5-1/7+1/9…)

Anyway, see for yourself

on mouseup

put the ticks into t

put 1.0 into i

put 3.0 * 10^200 into x

put x into pie

repeat while (x > 0)

put x * i / ((i + 1.0) * 4.0) into x

add x / (i + 2.0) to pie

add 2.0 to i

end repeat

set numberformat to "x.xxx"

answer the ticks - t

answer (pie / (10.0 ^ 200))

end mouseup


BTW, I haven’t seen JavaScript using ‘let’ before, or having ’n’ to indicate a 
floating point number. That could be a dot net thing.


> On Oct 5, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 10/5/19 6:01 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 10/5/19 4:57 PM, JB via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> I just visited the link Richard provided and it shows the following;
>> Hah! I missed a very important word in that sentence.
> 
> Nonetheless, here's pi in nine lines of javascript. I haven't tried 
> converting this yet... anyone wanna try writing this in LiveCode? And 
> benchmarking it?
> 
> 

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Re: Recommended specs for Windows Development computer.

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

For my job I need to frequently test things in Windows 10, and I have been 
doing that using Parallels. It works really well, but sometimes I need to do 
hardware tests, and so I had Bootcamp added as well.

I was curious how well it performs, and so downloaded a benchmark test program. 
Users who have submitted their results range from a score of 200, up to around 
5,500. I tested my work MacBook Pro as a Mac, Windows 10 in Parallels, and 
Windows 10 in Bootcamp. Parallels managed 1100, macOS was 1900, and Bootcamp 
was 2300. My Mac pretending to be a PC worked better than my Mac as a Mac, and 
also better than about 75% of the real PCs in the list of results.


> On Oct 3, 2019, at 12:31 PM, JJS via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> yes you can use virtualbox or whatever but it will be slower, running an OS 
> in an OS, or:
> 
> You install bootcamp if you only need Win10: read this 
> https://support.apple.com/nl-nl/HT201468 it's in dutch but you can find the 
> English version yourself i think
> 
> then bootcamp will install all needed drivers so win10 will run smoothly on 
> your mac (note that your fan might blow some harder, windows is resource 
> hungry)
> 
> Or:
> 
> you go to https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind Now this is a bit more difficult 
> but very good doable, some IT people prefer this.
> 
> ReFind will create a new bootloader (something like GRUB but better with nice 
> icons)
> 
> With Refind you are also able to get Linux on it too, so you could create a 
> triple boot
> 
> 
> If you want something reversed --> make a mac from a windows/Linux PC, then 
> you need to go to https://tonymacx86.com and use Clover as bootloader. Note 
> this is harder, and you need to have a mac to download the OS on a stick.
> 
> Op 3-10-2019 om 20:13 schreef Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode:
>> I have used Parallels, and am now also using Virtual Box on my Mac. I use 
>> No-Machine to connect to hardware Windows test platforms, and plan to use it 
>> for other platforms (Linux, iOS, Android, Raspberry Pi). I use MiniWoL to 
>> wake one machine and plan add Wake-on-LAN to another Windows machine. Even 
>> when testing on Windows, I edit on Mac and use a network drive for projects. 
>> If need be, I sit at the Windows hardware.
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I need to buy a new desktop PC to be used for LiveCode development 
>>> including using the new camera control and the player as I am working on a 
>>> cross platform application for Mac and Windows.
>>> 
>>> I have been developing the application  on on a Mac to this point but need 
>>> to have the PC for testing and debugging in a Windows environment.
>>> 
>>> Being a Mac guy I am not sure what I should look for in a PC— processor, 
>>> speed, RAM, etc. I bought a cheap desktop  PC, an Acer AXC-230 a year or so 
>>> ago for that purpose but that is painfully slow. So I don’t want to make 
>>> that mistake again.
>>> 
>>> With the comments on speed problems on Windows in the earlier thread I 
>>> don’t want to get something underpowered.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions? What are people using?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Martin Koob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: OT: Catalina - the end of ad hoc & in-house development?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

One part you say seems incorrect. I’ve been running Catalina full time since 
the first developer build, and I’ve seen various combinations of problems.

For the one you’re talking about, where right-click Open still doesn’t open the 
app, in the security control panel where it used to say open applications from 
anywhere, it now should show a message asking for permission to open the 
specific application that you just attempted to open.


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Re: Android 64-bit?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

When you submit apps to Google Play you have some amount of control over what 
versions are able to see that app. At this point it’s a few years since I had 
to deal with that, but hopefully you will have an option to say that it’s 
compatible with say Android 4-8. That rules out 9, and works around the 64 bit 
requirements.


> On Jul 15, 2019, at 6:26 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Welli thought it was clear ..but now i'm more confused than ever on
> this subject :P
> 
> It will not be possible to post a *new* app to the playstore starting
> august 1 without using livecode 9.5 to build it?
> 
> Is 9.5 stable slated to be out anytime soon?
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 7:22 PM Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have been following this with regard to Adobe AIR, and it’s nice that
>> they get an extension. I use Unity too, and that has a longer extension. I
>> suspect it’s in proportion to the number of apps submitted with those
>> tools. I have read figures of 10% of apps are AIR and 50% of games are
>> Unity. That’s a lot of users to upset.
>> 
>> LiveCode isn’t quite at the 10 or 50 percent level yet, so no special
>> case. But one thing to note is that Android 9 is only at 10% of devices,
>> which is high enough for Google to brag about, but if you have to set your
>> APK to only work on Android 8 or earlier, you still get 90% of the users.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2019, at 5:16 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> From the android-developers googleblog:
>>> 
>>> The 64-bit requirement: what it means for developers
>>> Starting August 1, 2019:
>>> 
>>> All new apps and app updates that include native code are required to
>> provide 64-bit versions in addition to 32-bit versions when publishing to
>> Google Play.
>>> Extensions: Google Play will continue to accept 32-bit only updates to
>> existing games that use the following SDKs:
>>> Corona Labs SDK - until August 2020
>>> Adobe Air software and the AIR SDK - until August 2020
>>> Unity 5.6.7 or older - until August 2021
>>> Starting August 1, 2021:
>>> Google Play will stop serving apps without 64-bit versions on 64-bit
>> capable devices, meaning they will no longer be available in the Play Store
>> on those devices.
>>> This will include games built with Unity 5.6.x or older.
>>> The requirement does not apply to:
>>> APKs or app bundles explicitly targeting Wear OS or Android TV, which
>> are form factors that do not currently support 64-bit code.
>>> APKs or app bundles that are not distributed to devices running Android
>> 9 Pie or later.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ralph DiMola
>>> IT Director
>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On
>> Behalf Of Dan Friedman via use-livecode
>>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 6:04 PM
>>> To: How to use LiveCode
>>> Cc: Dan Friedman; Dar Scott Consulting
>>> Subject: Re: Android 64-bit?
>>> 
>>> Dar,
>>> 
>>> https://developer.android.com/distribute/best-practices/develop/64-bit
>> states, "Starting August 1, 2019, your apps published on Google Play will
>> need to support 64-bit architectures."
>>> 
>>> So, no new or updated apps can be posted to Google made by LiveCode
>> after August 1?   That can't be right!   Perhaps someone at LC will have
>> some better news?
>>> 
>>> -Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/15/19, 2:31 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Dar Scott Consulting
>> via use-livecode" > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Wow!
>>> 
>>>   Perhaps the constraint for August 1 is that all NEW apps and all
>> UPDATES need to include 64-bit. Maybe, they will still serve your apps.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 15, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings!   I got some notices from Google (android) that my apps need
>> to be updated to 64-bit by August 1, 2019.   Does LiveCode generate 64-bit
>> Android apps?  If so, can I do that with Indy 9.0.4?  If so, what versions
>> of Android Studio and Android SDKs do I need to install?   Any guidance
>> will be greatly appreci

Re: Android 64-bit?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I have been following this with regard to Adobe AIR, and it’s nice that they 
get an extension. I use Unity too, and that has a longer extension. I suspect 
it’s in proportion to the number of apps submitted with those tools. I have 
read figures of 10% of apps are AIR and 50% of games are Unity. That’s a lot of 
users to upset.

LiveCode isn’t quite at the 10 or 50 percent level yet, so no special case. But 
one thing to note is that Android 9 is only at 10% of devices, which is high 
enough for Google to brag about, but if you have to set your APK to only work 
on Android 8 or earlier, you still get 90% of the users.


> On Jul 15, 2019, at 5:16 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> From the android-developers googleblog:
> 
> The 64-bit requirement: what it means for developers
> Starting August 1, 2019:
> 
> All new apps and app updates that include native code are required to provide 
> 64-bit versions in addition to 32-bit versions when publishing to Google Play.
> Extensions: Google Play will continue to accept 32-bit only updates to 
> existing games that use the following SDKs:
> Corona Labs SDK - until August 2020
> Adobe Air software and the AIR SDK - until August 2020
> Unity 5.6.7 or older - until August 2021
> Starting August 1, 2021:
> Google Play will stop serving apps without 64-bit versions on 64-bit capable 
> devices, meaning they will no longer be available in the Play Store on those 
> devices.
> This will include games built with Unity 5.6.x or older.
> The requirement does not apply to:
> APKs or app bundles explicitly targeting Wear OS or Android TV, which are 
> form factors that do not currently support 64-bit code.
> APKs or app bundles that are not distributed to devices running Android 9 Pie 
> or later.
> 
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf 
> Of Dan Friedman via use-livecode
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 6:04 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Dan Friedman; Dar Scott Consulting
> Subject: Re: Android 64-bit?
> 
> Dar,
> 
> https://developer.android.com/distribute/best-practices/develop/64-bit 
> states, "Starting August 1, 2019, your apps published on Google Play will 
> need to support 64-bit architectures."
> 
> So, no new or updated apps can be posted to Google made by LiveCode after 
> August 1?   That can't be right!   Perhaps someone at LC will have some 
> better news?
> 
> -Dan
> 
> 
> On 7/15/19, 2:31 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Dar Scott Consulting via 
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>Wow!  
> 
>Perhaps the constraint for August 1 is that all NEW apps and all UPDATES 
> need to include 64-bit. Maybe, they will still serve your apps.
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings!   I got some notices from Google (android) that my apps need to 
>> be updated to 64-bit by August 1, 2019.   Does LiveCode generate 64-bit 
>> Android apps?  If so, can I do that with Indy 9.0.4?  If so, what versions 
>> of Android Studio and Android SDKs do I need to install?   Any guidance will 
>> be greatly appreciated and surely help keep my hair in my head.
>> 
>> -Dan
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Re: Some UX fun

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I didn’t get to the point where it was fun.


> On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:10 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I got through this, but it took me ten minutes.
> Anyone else game to play?
> 
> https://userinyerface.com/
> 


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Re: Fastest Frame Rate?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Are you testing on mobile yet? There is LiveCode code that will make that be 
faster than desktop.


These sort of things:

on preopenstack

  if the environment is mobile then

iphoneSetRedrawInterval 1

set the compositorType of this stack to "OpenGL"

set the compositorTileSize of this stack to 64

set the compositorCacheLimit of this stack to 1024*1024*128

  end if

end preopenstack


> On Mar 23, 2019, at 6:38 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I find I get equally good results
> by alternately setting the blend level
> of the blue rectangle to 100 and
> then back to 0.  It has fewer lines
> of code too.
> 
> I still see flicker though.
> 
> Rick
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Re: Fastest Frame Rate?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I think you would need to wait 0 with messages to get a fair test.

In my case I didn’t do it that way. I have one handler that moves everything, 
and a shorter handler that checks the mouse position (if you’re not on mobile) 
and calls the longer handler. Like this:

on moveworld
  if the environment is not mobile then
put (512-the mouseh)/100 into difx
  end if
  movethings difx
  send moveworld to me in 16 milliseconds
end moveworld

The send in 16 milliseconds means I’m trying to do 60 fps.

> On Mar 23, 2019, at 11:05 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was digging through the archives
> and was reminded that we fully
> funded a kickstarter for a physics
> engine.  Whatever happened to that?
> Is it even on the roadmap?
> 
> Rick
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Re: Fastest Frame Rate?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

There are 10 layers to handle the landscape, sky, and tracks. Then 100 LC logos 
on top of those.


> On Mar 23, 2019, at 7:57 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Colin,
> 
> That’s a nice demo!
> How many layers does it have?
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2019, at 12:42 AM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> http://colin.scienceninja.com/lcscrolling/Scrolling.htm 
>> <http://colin.scienceninja.com/lcscrolling/Scrolling.html>
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Re: Fastest Frame Rate?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I had a fun technical challenge, where me and my new computer in Colorado had a 
few stacks, and my old machine back in Brooklyn had a couple of hundred stacks, 
one of which I wanted to show you. I used Remotix to get my old machine to 
upload to an ftp server all of those stacks, then I downloaded them here.

After doing all that I was going to post something, only to find that I had 
posted a test a while ago.

So, try this in a browser, including on mobile:

http://colin.scienceninja.com/lcscrolling/Scrolling.html 


You’ll see why I remember it as being 60 fps.
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Re: Fastest Frame Rate?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

If the Unity article is correct, 45 fps wouldn’t give you more smoothness than 
30 fps. In my tests I’m pretty sure I had 60 fps, but for most things I would 
be happy enough with 30. Pretty well every film you ever saw, and those seemed 
smooth enough, were at 24 fps.


> On Mar 22, 2019, at 9:56 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Colin,
> 
> Yes, I understand that, but I’m wondering
> what LiveCode can give us as a top
> frame rate.  Could we get at least 30 or 
> 45 fps out of it, or is it just too slow?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2019, at 10:23 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You could see the answer that Unity give:
>> 
>> https://support.unity3d.com/hc/en-us/articles/205824295-Mobile-game-flips-between-running-at-30FPS-and-60FPS
>>  
>> <https://support.unity3d.com/hc/en-us/articles/205824295-Mobile-game-flips-between-running-at-30FPS-and-60FPS>
>> 
>> Graphics tend to move faster on mobile, so a desktop test isn’t conclusive. 
>> It depends on what you’re doing as to how fast it could be. But no tool on 
>> earth can show faster than 60 frames per second.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2019, at 7:41 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m wondering what the upper limit is
>>> for a fastest frame rate that LiveCode
>>> can produce.  I’m trying to do some
>>> special video effects and the faster
>>> the better so as to avoid any flicker.
>>> 
>>> My target device is ultimately an
>>> iPhone or Android device.
>>> 
>>> If LiveCode isn’t fast enough I may
>>> have to consider using some other
>>> language which I would rather not
>>> have to do if LiveCode is up to the
>>> job.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have any benchmark 
>>> data or suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Rick
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Re: Fastest Frame Rate?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

You could see the answer that Unity give:

https://support.unity3d.com/hc/en-us/articles/205824295-Mobile-game-flips-between-running-at-30FPS-and-60FPS
 


Graphics tend to move faster on mobile, so a desktop test isn’t conclusive. It 
depends on what you’re doing as to how fast it could be. But no tool on earth 
can show faster than 60 frames per second.


> On Mar 22, 2019, at 7:41 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m wondering what the upper limit is
> for a fastest frame rate that LiveCode
> can produce.  I’m trying to do some
> special video effects and the faster
> the better so as to avoid any flicker.
> 
> My target device is ultimately an
> iPhone or Android device.
> 
> If LiveCode isn’t fast enough I may
> have to consider using some other
> language which I would rather not
> have to do if LiveCode is up to the
> job.
> 
> Does anyone have any benchmark 
> data or suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick

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Re: JIGSAW PUZZLE 2d-video v_100

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

The loading percentage is working now, and videos are playing ok in Safari 
(they didn’t before). Frame rate is still a bit slow.
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Re: Can't Submit App to iTunes

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

iPhone 5 support requires default-5...@2x.png. It is a portrait image 
(640x1136), but it’s needed for landscape apps too. It’s what Apple uses to 
decide that you want to use the extra space, as opposed to having an iPhone 4 
app that is centered with black borders.

For a landscape app it would be your 16:9 splash screen image rotated clockwise 
90 degrees.
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Re: Xcode for El Capitan

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

The link we gave to the downloads page has a search field. I tried Xcode 8, and 
it seems they are all there. The latest v8 is 8.3.3, and it isn’t easy to tell 
which OS it needs.

This Wikipedia article backs up your theory that 8.2.1 is the latest for El 
Capitan:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xcode


> On Dec 7, 2018, at 12:42 PM, JB via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am using El Capitan 10.11.6 and my Xcode is
> version 8.2.1.  It is possible I missed a later
> version but if it was upgraded automatically
> then that is the latest version that will work
> on my El Capitan.
> 
> JB
> 
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there any way or place to download Xcode for El Capitan? I think this is 
>> Xcode 9?
>> 
>> The MacOS app store only has Xcode 10.1 (or I can only find 10.1 which 
>> requires OSX 10.13+ (High Sierra)
>> 
>> Any advice would be welcome.
>> 
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Re: Xcode for El Capitan

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

If you have an Apple developer account you can log into you can get older 
versions of Xcode here:

https://developer.apple.com/download/more/

It does have Xcode 9, as well as the later 9.x versions.


> On Dec 7, 2018, at 11:25 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Generally it is better to download Xcode from the Apple developer site than 
> the App Store since you frequently need to have multiple versions around.  
> Older versions are found there.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
> On Dec 7, 2018, 3:22 PM -0600, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> Is there any way or place to download Xcode for El Capitan? I think this
>> is Xcode 9?
>> 
>> The MacOS app store only has Xcode 10.1 (or I can only find 10.1 which
>> requires OSX 10.13+ (High Sierra)
>> 
>> Any advice would be welcome.
>> 
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Re: OT: iOS Policies

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

We just got an app removed from Google Play because the metadata included 
references to other works. That’s 6 years after the app was approved for the 
store. It’s not just Apple that do these things. Here’s the Google article on 
what will lead to a rejection:

https://play.google.com/about/storelisting-promotional/metadata/
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Re: iOS Policies

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I’ve seen similar issues if you add in awards, such as “Best App in Google 
Play”. Pretty sure Amazon are similar about promoting other apps stores, and 
even Google apps go through a review process.

You wouldn’t dream of putting “Support for iOS 12 and iPhone X” in your Android 
submissions, though you might get away with it. Just get used to only having 
meta data that is needed for that particular store.
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Re: Reading data from Google Sheets

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On a Google Sheets page there is a Share button in the upper right. If it has a 
padlock it hasn’t been set up for sharing. Once you click on it you can set 
various options, including one where anyone with the link can view without 
having to sign in.
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Re: NSURLErrorDomain error -999

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I took the iOS part of the problem as being incidental, even if it was where 
the problem showed up. Are you doing something that affects a web view, and 
then doing something else before that first change has happened?
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Re: NSURLErrorDomain error -999

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Mr Google suggested this page:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1024748/how-do-i-fix-nsurlerrordomain-error-999-in-iphone-3-0-os
 


"This error may occur if an another request is made before the previous request 
of WebView is completed."
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Re: how to properly use the fullscreenmode and screen scaling

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

That’s fair enough. Rotating a phone so the bottom of the portrait phone is now 
to the right, is a right-handed way of thinking I guess! So yes, avoid the 
right middle too, for the benefit of left-handed people.

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:31 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 29/10/2018 14:18, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>> On top of all that you may well want to place some things using code, but 
>> remember that the later Android phones, and the iPhone X, have a notch, so 
>> don’t place things at the far left center of a landscape app.
>> 
> Should that be "far left center" or "far-left or right center" ?
> Are people consistent enough about rotating 90'  anti-clockwise, or do they 
> (like me) sometimes rotate the other way ?
> [ I've never used a phone with a notch, so don't know if that leads to 
> greater consistency ]
> 
> Thanks
> Alex.


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Re: how to properly use the fullscreenmode and screen scaling

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

No comment about the main code you showed, but what you said about showAll 
isn’t quite right. All of the card will always be visible. On devices wider 
than the horizontal ratio of the card, extra content will be revealed from off 
of the left and right of the card, the height of the card will fill the height 
of the device screen. On devices that are a narrower ratio than the horizontal 
ratio of the card, extra content is revealed from off of the top and bottom of 
the card, the width of the card will fill the width of the device screen. No 
combination should ever crop into the card area.

The easiest way to use showAll is to have all of the important things within 
the card window, then have enough extra stuff off all edges. Until recently I 
would make the card window be 16:9, and have enough content above and below the 
card to cope with iPad. That approach worked well for all devices from iPhone 5 
to iPad (16:9 to 4:3, using landscape as an example). With the super wide 
recent Samsung phones (and Pixel 3 too), and the even wider iPhone X, the ratio 
gets as high as 19.5:9.

Now my approach is to have a 16:9 card, extra content up to 4:3 as before, but 
now extra content off the left and right to reach a ratio of 20:9. My typical 
16:9 size is 1024x576, and 20:9 gives a familiar looking 1280x576.

So, card window of 1024x576 and all important objects within that space, extra 
background above and below the card, to give 1024x768, and extra content off 
the left and right to give 1280x576. You could of course have backgrounds that 
are 1280x768, that would do no harm. The parts in the corners will never be 
seen.

On top of all that you may well want to place some things using code, but 
remember that the later Android phones, and the iPhone X, have a notch, so 
don’t place things at the far left center of a landscape app.
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Re: Move the Mouse

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

There is the screenMouseLoc, which is the cursor’s location on the whole 
screen. To move it to be on a button I guess you would add the left and top of 
the card window, to the x and y position you want to move to.



> On Oct 1, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Has this been asked before?? I'm trying to set the mouse location to the loc 
> of a particulat button. The mouseLoc is read only. I cannot find a command 
> for doing this! Am I having another senior moment??
> 
> Bob S
> 


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Re: App Dead on iOS 12

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Is what you said true for older LiveCode, or just 9.0.1?


> On Sep 17, 2018, at 8:09 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 18 Sep 2018, at 9:47 am, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> For icons to show up you need to make an Assets.car file with the icons in 
>> it. Here is one example tool for making that file:
>> 
>> http://www.applicationloader.net/appuploader/icontool.php 
>> <http://www.applicationloader.net/appuploader/icontool.php> 
>> <http://www.applicationloader.net/appuploader/icontool.php 
>> <http://www.applicationloader.net/appuploader/icontool.php>>
>> 
>> I think you just then include the file in the Files section.
> 
> This is not necessary as the standalone builder will use actool to create the 
> Assets.car for you however you do need to install Xcode’s additional 
> components in order to make actool available.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte


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Re: App Dead on iOS 12

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

For icons to show up you need to make an Assets.car file with the icons in it. 
Here is one example tool for making that file:

http://www.applicationloader.net/appuploader/icontool.php 


I think you just then include the file in the Files section.

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:02 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Terry,
> 
> So, here's what I've discovered in the last 40 minutes…
> 
> If you add, "set the acceleratedRendering of stack myStack to true", then 
> things start working again.  However, I did find that if I had more than one 
> stack open, and the second stack did not have acceleratedRendering enabled, 
> then the app crashed.
> 
> Most everything seems to be working ok once the app is open.   Visual Effects 
> are working fine, but I’m having some issues with moving controls (on 
> mouseMove) and the like…  S—l—u—g—i—s—h !!
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Dan Friedman
> CEO, ClearVision Technologies, LLC
> Voice: 909/484-2052
> http://www.clearvisiontech.com
> 
> 
> On 9/17/18, 3:51 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via use-livecode" 
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>Yeah - I just updated an iPad to iOS 12 and 2 LC apps that were already 
> installed on it now just show a black screen (with the outlines of a couple 
> of native fields) after the splash screen. I kinda assumed they would just 
> still work.
> 
>Terry...
> 
>On 18/09/2018 7:56 am, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via 
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>I see that all my apps are launching and immediately crashing on iOS 
> 12.  I rebuilt the app using 9.0.1 and I get the same result.  Since this 
> list isn't blowing up with people complaining about this, I have must have 
> missed the meeting about the secret button to click to get things working.   
> Anyone have any words of wisdom?
> 
>HELP!
> 
>-Dan
> 
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Re: Natural Programming

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I’m surprised you can tell anyone about that.


> On Sep 11, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> You know, programming comes so naturally to me, it's like it's in my NDA. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 


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Re: iOS 12 compatibility

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

You could write that you have tested under iOS 12, maybe that would be ok? 
Saying that you had to do something proactive in order to support iOS 12 is 
indirectly reporting that Apple software had issues.


> On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> What version of LC and Xcode combination did you use for your build?
> 
> be well,
> randy
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Livecode crew for patching Bug 21396 that required 
>> acceleratedRendering to be TRUE in order for an app to launch in iOS 12! 
>> Word of advice to developers as they submit their new builds to Apple 
>> (because if you don't, and you don't have acceleratedRendering enabled in 
>> your stack, your app won't launch in the new operating system): don't 
>> mention the fact that the new OS broke the existing app.
>> 
>> In my "What's New in This Version" text, I mentioned "added iOS 12 
>> compatibility" which apparently is a big no-no. My latest submission got 
>> rejected for breaking PLA 2.3 which states "Apple may provide You with 
>> pre-release versions of the Apple Software or related services that 
>> constitute Apple Confidential Information and are subject to the 
>> confidentiality obligations of this Agreement."
>> 
>> So Apple released a public beta, that beta broke developer software as 
>> reported by public beta users, but we can't speak of such things. *eye roll*
>> 
>> Luckily this is just a metadata rejection that doesn't require a new build. 
>> Just thought I'd share my experience to help save someone else the 
>> embarrassment of breaking your NDA with a company who has a $1T market cap.
>> 
>> --Andrew Bell
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [OT] Accommodation in Edinburgh

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

For the last conference in Edinburgh I used AirBNB. It worked out well, and I 
biked to the conference each day in a few minutes.
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Re: [OT]Silly weekend LC poll

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I’m with Matthias on this. Some abbreviations are their own thing, and you 
don’t want to reminisce over where the short version came from. LOC is spelled 
LOC, not Loke, and CHAR is not spelled as Chare or Care.

But it’s your choice, I don’t char.


> On Aug 25, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Devin Asay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> “Care” and “loke”. Habits from way back in the HyperCard days.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> CHAR  rhymes with far
>> LOC rhymes with lock.
>> 
>> This is at least how i pronounce them. But i am native German and not native 
>> English.
>> 
>> Btw.: due to the fact that LC language is english like,  you should see my 
>> comments  and variable names in my scripts.
>> They are mixed, some comments are in english some in german, even in one and 
>> the same script. It could be that i use tDate in one script and in another  
>> one tDatum as date var.
>> But that´s an other story.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 25.08.2018 um 21:07 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I wonder how people pronounce two common LC abbreviations. In print you 
>>> never notice but in real life I always have to translate what they're 
>>> talking about.
>>> 
>>> How do you pronounce:
>>> 
>>> CHAR
>>> Rhymes with "care"
>>> Sounds like smoldering wood
>>> 
>>> LOC
>>> Rhymes with "smoke"
>>> Sounds like a deadbolt
>>> 
>>> I suppose there are others.
>>> -- 
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: iPad Pro Simulator

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

This is not obvious at all, but the splash screen name of 
default-portr...@2x.png is now owned by iPad Pro. To support iPad Pro, iPad 
Retina, and iPad 1, you need these splash screens:

default-portr...@2x.png - 2048x2732
Default-Portrait@2x~ipad.png - 1536x2048
Default-Portrait~ipad.png - 768x1024

Or for landscape:

default-landsc...@2x.png - 2732x2048
Default-Landscape@2x~ipad - 2048x1536
Default-Landscape~ipad = 1024x768



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