from:"RM"

Maybe I'm a poisonous toad (OK, OK, don't answer that one: I am a 
poisonous toad), but I feel very funny

about these claims:

Battle-tested at 10,000 companies by 200,000 developers with over 
100,000 apps.


Craft your application in minutes [who is naive enough to fall for that 
one?]


Certainly, if the first claim is true, surely at least one Livecode 
developer must have heard about appgyver before: anyone?


Richmond.

On 9.06.2016 19:44, John Dixon wrote:

https://www.appgyver.com/

A link to this dropped into my mailbox... Whilst what it is supposed to be able 
to do seems to be very 'fashionable' and very 'whizzy', the main thought that 
entered my head after looking at the pricing page was... 'In future I will only 
mutter about the price of liveCode under my breath'... :-)

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Re: Another way of approaching LC8?

On 9.06.2016 17:33, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Graham Samuel wrote:

> Having been burnt by the BMI Calculator example, what would listers
> suggest as the shortest way to get familiar with LC8 without reading
> an enormous amount of text? I would count myself as a pretty
> experienced LiveCode programmer, so that’s where I’m starting from.
>
> Maybe I should just take an existing program, open it and see what
> happens?

Yes.

> But then widgets would remain a closed book, which isn’t the
> intention.

Use them now, write them later.

> I had a quick look at the HTML 5 side of things and at the
> dictionary, and both scared me. I don’t feel I’m in Kansas any more.

No, you're not, but as I'm the Cowardly Lion . . .

And Livecode 8 does look as though it might well lead to the
Emerald City; and it doesn't seem that the Wizard of Livecode is not 
just some

bloke behind a curtain doing the old "Smoke and Mirrors".

Skip it for now and get back to it when you need it.

> How did you guys do it?

I learn what I need when I need it.

Learning what you need when you need it is very good advice indeed:
it has kept my head above water for about 40 years!

AND: what about the Use-List and the Forums we all know and love?

Richmond.

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Re: Another way of approaching LC8?

Well, I'm just playing with it in my spare time: that's how I learnt 
Hypercard, Toolbook, Director, and Runtime Revolution 1.1.1 (that's 
Livecode to you).
I have never found books on how to program make any sense whatsoever to 
me; and that is one of the reasons (apart from innate idleness) that I

haven't got round to writing a "Livecode for Kiddies" book.

I learnt MiniFortran, BASIC, FORTRAN IV and PASCAL by messing around at 
blind terminals; and, from the bottom of my heart, I am so glad I don't

ever have to do that again because of environments such as Livecode.

After all, you can mess around with Livecode 8 "in the privacy of your 
own room" [ and most of us aren't the types to video our bedroom
games and plaster the film all over the internet, are we now?] and what 
happens is just between you, your computer and Livecode.


Richmond.

On 9.06.2016 16:52, Graham Samuel wrote:

Having been burnt by the BMI Calculator example, what would listers suggest as 
the shortest way to get familiar with LC8 without reading an enormous amount of 
text? I would count myself as a pretty experienced LiveCode programmer, so 
that’s where I’m starting from.

Maybe I should just take an existing program, open it and see what happens? But 
then widgets would remain a closed book, which isn’t the intention.

I had a quick look at the HTML 5 side of things and at the dictionary, and both 
scared me. I don’t feel I’m in Kansas any more.

How did you guys do it?

TIA

Graham
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[a bit OT] Apple Store


http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36486556

Richmond.

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Re: Uninstalling Livecode

2016-06-08 Thread RM




On 8.06.2016 09:43, Peter TB Brett wrote:

On 08/06/2016 06:47, RM wrote:


If I dig into the /home/.runrev directory I can manually delete the
versions I don't want, but the
system still 'sees' those I have deleted, so they show up in the menu
system.

Is there a way to remove all but the 8 versions I use (3.5, 4.0, 4.5,
6.7.11, 7.14, 8.0.1, 8.0.2 rc-1 & 8.10) completely?


Hi Richmond,

Assuming that you never install for "All Users", then you can try 
something like:


find $HOME -iname 'livecode*.desktop'

to list all of the .desktop files that LiveCode installs to make 
itself appear in your menu system.


You can then manually delete the ones you no longer require.

(I haven't actually tried this so some fudging around may be needed in 
order to make it work).


   Peter



To be honest 'find $HOME -iname 'livecode*.desktop'' didn't list much, 
so I took the quick-n-dirty route

of deleting the folders from within /Home/.runrev/components/ . . .

and then manually deleting .desktop files the in 
/Home/.local/share/application folder.


The most useful information was pointing out the .local folder to me!

Richmond.

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Re: Uninstalling Livecode

2016-06-08 Thread RM




On 8.06.2016 09:43, Peter TB Brett wrote:

On 08/06/2016 06:47, RM wrote:


If I dig into the /home/.runrev directory I can manually delete the
versions I don't want, but the
system still 'sees' those I have deleted, so they show up in the menu
system.

Is there a way to remove all but the 8 versions I use (3.5, 4.0, 4.5,
6.7.11, 7.14, 8.0.1, 8.0.2 rc-1 & 8.10) completely?


Hi Richmond,

Assuming that you never install for "All Users", then you can try 
something like:


find $HOME -iname 'livecode*.desktop'

to list all of the .desktop files that LiveCode installs to make 
itself appear in your menu system.


You can then manually delete the ones you no longer require.

(I haven't actually tried this so some fudging around may be needed in 
order to make it work).


   Peter



Thank you both: and, Peter, as I much prefer fudge to toffee, that's 
fine with me.


Richmond.

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Uninstalling Livecode

Currently I have about 40 versions of Livecode installed on my Xubun tu 
system, with them all

showing up in the menu system.

This is giving my system "gut rot".

If I dig into the /home/.runrev directory I can manually delete the 
versions I don't want, but the
system still 'sees' those I have deleted, so they show up in the menu 
system.


Is there a way to remove all but the 8 versions I use (3.5, 4.0, 4.5, 
6.7.11, 7.14, 8.0.1, 8.0.2 rc-1 & 8.10) completely?


Richmond.

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.2 RC1


This was a bad case of "Richmond's Silly Buggers":

1. A cache on my Xubuntu system had suddenly had an attack of bloat so 
there was NO space left on my HOME partition; something I did not see

(because, previously, I had 1.5 GB space) before I attempted installation.

2. I messed around with the GRUB thing and booted into a recovery mode 
and managed to delete a few gratuitous installs to make space.


3. Subsequently no problems whatsoever.

4. Sorry for spoiling your day.

Richmond.

On 7.06.2016 23:35, panagiotis merakos wrote:



@Richmond
Could you please file a bug report? Do you see the same error when
installing 8.0.1 for "You only"?

Best,
Panos
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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.2 RC1


Unfortunately, trying to install
LiveCodeCommunityInstaller-8_0_2_rc_1-Linux.x64 onto Xubuntu 16.04 64-bit
"You Only" I got a message:  "Internal error (couldn't extract payload
item to file).

The installer did work on the "All Users" option.

Richmond.

On 7.06.2016 13:52, panagiotis merakos wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0.2 RC-1.


Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 8.0.2 RC-1 contains more than 33 bug fixes since the LiveCode
8.0.1 STABLE release. Moreover, this release contains many documentation
updates and engine fixes contributed by Charles Warwick, Dave Kilroy, Devin
Asay, Trevor DeVore and Mark Smith. Thank you!

The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_2/LiveCodeNotes-8_0_2_rc_1.pdf


Feedback

Please report any bugs encountered on our Bugzilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!

The LiveCode Team
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Re: How to change the color of the text in a disabled button ?

That's all rather odd as the text in a button, regardless of what the 
textColor is set to goes grey

as soon as it is disabled.

If one groups the button and then disables the group the button text is 
also greyed out.


If one takes a snapshot of a button and then uses the resultant image as 
a button that, also, won't

do any good as one cannot DISABLE an image.

Richmond.

On 7.06.2016 11:47, Jacques Hausser wrote:

I would like to, for aesthetic reasons. Is it possible (without going so far as 
writing a widget)? And, as we are there, what about the colors of a field’s 
scrollbar ? I’m not a fan of the Apple aesthetical dictatorship…

Jacques

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Re: Feature Exchange any one?

2016-06-03 Thread RM


To be honest this is why I have only tried once to do anything
with the Datagrid, and go so badly bogged-down due to
the lack of documentation I abandoned it and have never looked
back.

Richmond.

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Re: getting bogged down with the selectedObject


The only thing that was crashing there was me; not Livecode.

R.

On 30.05.2016 23:06, Dar Scott wrote:

I'm glad my comments helped.

Crashing on any empty object reference does seem like a bad thing, though.  If 
you can narrow it down, it might be worth reporting.

Dar



On May 30, 2016, at 1:49 PM, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

I dunno who was or wasn't being rude: but, Dar, you helped me out of the bog.

Thank you very much indeed.

Richmond.

On 30.05.2016 22:00, Dar Scott wrote:

Shouldn't the selected object list be empty in that case?  Can you check that?

Or are you getting a crash in just doing this:

get the selectedObject

Dar
darzLab



On May 30, 2016, at 12:43 PM, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

So; here I am mucking around with my alternative front-end and have a merry 
little button
with this script in it:

on mouseUp
   put fld "nname" into NN
   set the name of the selectedObject to NN
end mouseUp

which, unsurprisingly perhaps, changes the name of a selectedObject
in the topStack [which is what it is meant to do].

However, I cannot work out how to stop the button "throwing a bluey"
when nothing is selected.

Richmond.

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Re: Alternative interfaces

Today's lunchbreak: started reading Richard Dawkins' "God Delusion"; 
which, while being a very
well written book, and extremely thought-provoking, is strong meat: so 
strong that I leapt back to
the computer and "extended the extended" so that end-users can now 
access the standalone settings stack

and save standalones, as well as a 'thing' to rename objects.

Richmond.

On 29.05.2016 22:26, RM wrote:
I produced an extended lateral palette to day for those who want to 
mess around

with text in fields while in Browse mode: same place.

Richmond.

On 27.05.2016 19:12, RM wrote:

I went lateral today:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=25=27328=143042#p143042

Richmond.





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Re: getting bogged down with the selectedObject

Of course I coped: people have been being rude to me for donkey's ages, 
and I, who, of course, am 'NEVER'

rude, have been being 'DIRECT' for years.

Oddly enough, I couldn't spot your supposed rudeness.

R.

On 30.05.2016 22:10, Colin Holgate wrote:

It seemed ok. Also, rude is Richmond’s middle name (his parents had a strange 
sense of humor). I’m sure he coped.



On May 30, 2016, at 3:05 PM, d...@swcp.com wrote:

Yikes.  That came out sounding rude.  Not my intent.  I'm just socially inept.

And eventually you might want to handle the case of multiple selected objects.


On May 30, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Dar Scott <d...@swcp.com> wrote:

Shouldn't the selected object list be empty in that case?  Can you check that?

Or are you getting a crash in just doing this:

get the selectedObject

Dar
darzLab



On May 30, 2016, at 12:43 PM, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

So; here I am mucking around with my alternative front-end and have a merry 
little button
with this script in it:

on mouseUp
put fld "nname" into NN
set the name of the selectedObject to NN
end mouseUp

which, unsurprisingly perhaps, changes the name of a selectedObject
in the topStack [which is what it is meant to do].

However, I cannot work out how to stop the button "throwing a bluey"
when nothing is selected.

Richmond.

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Re: getting bogged down with the selectedObject


"I'm just socially inept."

Don't let that worry you for a moment; you are not the only one
who suffers from that problem round here.

Should you require any advice I am extremely well qualified at
how to put one's foot in one's mouth.

Richmond.

On 30.05.2016 22:05, d...@swcp.com wrote:

Yikes.  That came out sounding rude.  Not my intent.  I'm just socially inept.

And eventually you might want to handle the case of multiple selected objects.


On May 30, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Dar Scott <d...@swcp.com> wrote:

Shouldn't the selected object list be empty in that case?  Can you check that?

Or are you getting a crash in just doing this:

get the selectedObject

Dar
darzLab



On May 30, 2016, at 12:43 PM, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

So; here I am mucking around with my alternative front-end and have a merry 
little button
with this script in it:

on mouseUp
  put fld "nname" into NN
  set the name of the selectedObject to NN
end mouseUp

which, unsurprisingly perhaps, changes the name of a selectedObject
in the topStack [which is what it is meant to do].

However, I cannot work out how to stop the button "throwing a bluey"
when nothing is selected.

Richmond.

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getting bogged down with the selectedObject

So; here I am mucking around with my alternative front-end and have a 
merry little button

with this script in it:

on mouseUp
   put fld "nname" into NN
   set the name of the selectedObject to NN
end mouseUp

which, unsurprisingly perhaps, changes the name of a selectedObject
in the topStack [which is what it is meant to do].

However, I cannot work out how to stop the button "throwing a bluey"
when nothing is selected.

Richmond.

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Hypercarding Livecode


Many people should be aware by now that I am producing a set of related
alternative interfaces for Livecode 8, mainly because of some comments
made on the Yahoo 'Hypercard' group. Nobody has indicated yet whether
they are considering using one of the things I am making.

However, what has become clear doing this is that if one REALLY wants
a simplified interface

[and at this point I would like to point out that I have found little or 
no problem

teaching Livecode to children (some as young as 8 years old) using the
Livecode 3.0 through 7.1.4 interface, and cannot see any wild objections 
to the

8.0 interface]

one might want another way of adjusting the properties of objects that the
standard property palette. To this end I have just produced an extended 
lateral
palette that allows end-users to mess around with text in field while in 
BROWSE mode.


I would be grateful for feedback both in terms of these alternative 
interfaces, and
in terms of whether I should "do away with" the standard property 
palettes in favour

of ways to set properties on a single, horizontal menu bar.

Both the pictures and the stacks are available here: 
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=25=27328


Richmond.

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Re: Alternative interfaces

I produced an extended lateral palette to day for those who want to mess 
around

with text in fields while in Browse mode: same place.

Richmond.

On 27.05.2016 19:12, RM wrote:

I went lateral today:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=25=27328=143042#p143042

Richmond.



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Re: Picasso's blue period


What happened to Dr Raney?

R.

On 29.05.2016 22:07, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 5/29/2016 1:39 PM, RM wrote:

No; I think a lot of the problem comes down to whether one wants to used
quotes or not:

set the textColor of the selectedText to "yellow"

works


For what it's worth, Dr Raney stressed to me that one should always 
place color names in quotes. That it sometimes works without them 
seems to be an anomaly. I've always followed his advice.





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Re: Picasso's blue period

Hey: my specs have a very jazzy filter in them as my eyes were getting 
damaged by staring at large monitors!


No; I think a lot of the problem comes down to whether one wants to used 
quotes or not:


set the textColor of the selectedText to "yellow"

works, while plain yellow seems, sometimes (and there's the rub) to mean 
'blue'; oddly enough plain red means 'red'.


So you now have all sorts of opportunity to make the rather obvious 
jokes about colour blindness, alcoholic tendencies and so on :-)


Richmond.

On 29.05.2016 21:29, John Dixon wrote:

LOL... are you sure that it is not a visit to specsavers that is needed..:-)



Subject: Re: Picasso's blue period
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
From: richmondmathew...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 21:27:45 +0300

Yes, and it has been going blue for the last 12 years, both on Linux
and on my Macintosh PPC computers with earlier recensions of Livecode.

Richmond.

On 29.05.2016 21:12, John Dixon wrote:

It goes yellow for me...
there again I am on a macBook and I guess you are messing about with linux.. :-)


To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
From: richmondmathew...@gmail.com
Subject: Picasso's blue period
Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 21:02:57 +0300

No, not really, but more like Richmond's blue 5 minutes.

I am having a small, silly problem:

When I type this:

set the textColor of the selectedText to yellow

the text goes *BLUE*. :-(

Richmond.
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Re: Picasso's blue period


Yes, and it has been going blue for the last 12 years, both on Linux
and on my Macintosh PPC computers with earlier recensions of Livecode.

Richmond.

On 29.05.2016 21:12, John Dixon wrote:

It goes yellow for me...
there again I am on a macBook and I guess you are messing about with linux.. :-)


To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
From: richmondmathew...@gmail.com
Subject: Picasso's blue period
Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 21:02:57 +0300

No, not really, but more like Richmond's blue 5 minutes.

I am having a small, silly problem:

When I type this:

set the textColor of the selectedText to yellow

the text goes *BLUE*. :-(

Richmond.
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Picasso's blue period


No, not really, but more like Richmond's blue 5 minutes.

I am having a small, silly problem:

When I type this:

set the textColor of the selectedText to yellow

the text goes *BLUE*. :-(

Richmond.
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Re: [ widget that turns text horizontal ]


Clever, clever stuff!

Congratulations.

Richmond.

On 29.05.2016 13:15, BNig wrote:

in the spirit of letting thousand widgets bloom: here is a simple widget that
turns text horizontally.

the widget to install in "My Livecode" -> "extensions"
--
http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/turnwidget/turnText.zip
--

as widget within HTML5 see
--
http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/turn/turnkurt.html
--

tested with LC 8.0.0 to LC 8.1.0 DP1

see help file how to install widget and sample stack included in the zip.


Thanks to Trevor for showing an example of transform in his blog
--
http://www.bluemangolearning.com/livecode/2015/04/creating-a-busy-indicator-in-livecode-builder/
--

and thanks to Hermann for help with the math.

Kind regards
Bernd



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Re: Alternative interfaces

2016-05-27 Thread RM


I went lateral today:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=25=27328=143042#p143042

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Re: Project Browser

2016-05-25 Thread RM

Well, I apologise if I got that one wrong: about the Application Browser 
being EOL.


I was not trying to distort reality, and I know I am not Steve Jobs, and 
am very glad I'm not:
and there are 2 ways of interpreting "Kevin is not Steve Jobs", and I 
meant that to be a

positive statement, not the other way round.

However, note Jacque's "lumpier" comment.

Richmond.

On 26.05.2016 05:11, Mike Kerner wrote:

Since the PB and the AB are both written in straight-up LC, why not try
working on them?  No LCB required.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Kay C Lan  wrote:


And Richmond you aren't Steve either, your distortion reality field
only extends to you.

So no matter how often you try to completely distort reality, it isn't
working. Your statement about LC EOLing the AB is a straight out
misrepresentation of the facts which you are fully aware of because
you participated in a recent long thread about the AB in which:

Peter Brett stated on 26Nov15:


*Everything* shipped with LiveCode is supported.  If we don't intend to

support it, we don't ship it.

Which seems pretty clear but you Richmond replied that you interpreted
this statement as a indication that LC had 'downgraded' the
Application Browser.

Mark Weider on 27Nov15:

Actually, I don't see that as a downgrade at all.
Making it a plugin allows it to be more malleable, fixable, replaceable.

Taking it out

of the IDE hierarchy should give us more options to work on the

Application

Browser. Since the team wants to do other things, it's up to the

community to fix the

AB, and making it a plugin makes it easier to do so.

Which didn't seem to penetrate your distortion field as you Richmond
concluded:


Aah, so the team isn't going to bother to listen to the Community because

it wants to

do other things; so it is chucking the Application Browser out to grass.

So this is where you and only you have concluded that the AB is EOL.

You also wrote:


Makes me wonder, again, again, about that word: "community".

So yes, if YOU as part of the community are completely unprepared to
modify/improve the AB, then it may remain stagnant, AND if YOU decide
to take the AB out of the Plugins folder and place it in the Trash
then yes, in YOUR world the AB is EOL.

So here's my distorted version of reality. If no one from the
community touches the AB, then it must be PERFECT and so it'll remain
in the Plugins Folder forever. How lucky we are!

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Livecode for education

2016-05-25 Thread RM

I like this page: 
https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/livecode-in-education/


Yes I do, really.

But there is one small thing that annoys me, and sorting that out would 
be a very good thing indeed.


When we scroll down to Course materials the first thing we hit is this:

"Course Materials – Age 14 to 16"

Now, I teach, every summer, classes to children from age 9 upwards.

So, whether Scottish National level 4 is the first time they start 
teaching children programming in Scotland or not,
let's not confine ourselves to that, and make it extremely clear that a 
child who can read and write and has a very

basic grasp of Maths can get started with Livecode.

This summer I will have one girl who has just had her 8th birthday; 
she's not noticeably any more intelligent
than any of the other 8 year olds I teach English to, but she wants to 
try Livecode: now I would be a real
killjoy if I refused to take her - she may not achieve as much as a 
child who is 11, but she will achieve something,

and that may just be enough to start a fire that may continue all her life.

And I believe Livecode is one of the best "boxes of matches" around at 
the moment.


Richmond.

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Alternative interfaces

2016-05-25 Thread RM


百花齊放，百家爭鳴

Well; not wishing a Maoist crackdown subsequently (pace Steve Jobs and 
themes in Mac OS 8).


Having successfully demonstrated that it is really in comparatively 
simple to make an
alternative interface for Livecode (that took me a total of 7 hours), 
admittedly after a nudge from Richard Gaskin
(you can have fun working out what that was exactly; it's here in the 
Use-List), I would urge all educators
and would-be deployers of Livecode for teaching to play around with 
alternative interfaces; even if only to see that

the "standard" one is alright as it stands.


http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=25=27328

Richmond.


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Re: Project Browser


Well, Kevin Miller is not Steve Jobs.

R.

On 24.05.2016 22:16, J. Landman Gay wrote:
The last time I led a revolt, Steve Jobs wrote me a terse email and 
shut down HC.


But I can submit a bug report.


On 5/24/2016 1:10 PM, RM wrote:

Well, Jacque, do you want to lead a revolt (not quite sure if that's the
correct word) to bring back
the Application Browser as something that hasn't been EOL-ed and packed
off into the Plug-ins
folder to keep people like Thee and me 'happy'?

Richmond.

On 24.05.2016 21:05, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On May 24, 2016, at 9:28 AM, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:


It isn't my cup of tea either.

But for those of us who don't like it, the Application Browser is
"still there",
but, I assume, it is frozen, and in time may prove a bit "lumpy" with
new
versions of Livecode.


It's getting lumpier with 8.0.1rc1. Double-clicking an object no
longer opens the property inspector (prefs are set correctly,) and
selecting an object on the card no longer updates the selection in the
app browser.




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Re: Project Browser

Well, Jacque, do you want to lead a revolt (not quite sure if that's the 
correct word) to bring back
the Application Browser as something that hasn't been EOL-ed and packed 
off into the Plug-ins

folder to keep people like Thee and me 'happy'?

Richmond.

On 24.05.2016 21:05, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On May 24, 2016, at 9:28 AM, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:


It isn't my cup of tea either.

But for those of us who don't like it, the Application Browser is 
"still there",
but, I assume, it is frozen, and in time may prove a bit "lumpy" with 
new

versions of Livecode.


It's getting lumpier with 8.0.1rc1. Double-clicking an object no 
longer opens the property inspector (prefs are set correctly,) and 
selecting an object on the card no longer updates the selection in the 
app browser.





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Re: Project Browser

It isn't my cup of tea either.

But for those of us who don't like it, the Application Browser is "still
there",

but, I assume, it is frozen, and in time may prove a bit "lumpy" with new
versions of Livecode.

But by then, either the Project Browser will be better (and/or more like
the Application Browser),

or . . . .

Richmond.

On 24.05.2016 17:55, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

On 24/05/2016 15:44, Bob Sneidar wrote:
Did someone say there was a way to get the application browser back?
The project browser in it's current form is a bit unusable. A couple
times I attempted to drag-reorder the objects, and instead only
succeeded at putting one object into another group. I changed the
sort order to number and the window went blank. Yeah. No. Not usable.

I guiltily confess to not having used 8 in anger until now; at which
point I have started collecting Project Browser issues. (Actually,
just yesterday!)

On going to Bugzilla to think about how to report them, I see that
there are many existing reports:

http://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced_desc=project%20browser_desc_type=substring

(of which more than half resolved, and most of the others confirmed).
I confess I've not yet found the time to work through my list to see
if there's anything not yet covered.

So I think we can expect progress!

In the meantime, you can access the Application Overview under
Development/Plugins/revApplicationOverview.

But I'm trying to persevere with using PB as much as possible, in the
hope of helping to track down the bugs...

Ben

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Re: Confusion over builds.


I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Here:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

I can see 8.0.1 STABLE  and 8.1.0 RC1

So, there is no "8.0.2" and no "8.10"

Over in GitHub things are, by the nature of GitHub, likely to be 
somewhat more confusing.


This is one of the main reasons when I want to find out the way the 
numbering of Livecode

releases is going I stick to the download page.

Certainly, I can see that one could, carelessly, mistake "8.1.0" for 
"8.10", but, then, things are always

worth a second look.

"start with removing those builds that are actually released"

No, let's NOT, and let's use them as the road-map, and not the others: 
otherwise we'd still all

be sitting around waiting for Hypercard 3.0.

My computers (that means about 4 of the things) and my external 
hard-disks are littered with
oddly numbered versions of my Devawriter Pro; some of them did lead to 
releases; most of them
are where I went off on some "very clever tangent" which turned out to 
be a big mistake.


I would suppose most people have similar situations, unless, unlike me, 
they have the self-discipline
to purge their systems of all those "also rans". This is a bit like 
evolution; the man with teeth in his bottom
died out (right organ, wrong end of the body); or, if you are a 
creationist; please do not tell me that God
didn't fool around with ideas that seemed extremely good on day 4, but 
looked pretty awful on the morning of day 5.

After all, we are, supposedly, made in his own image :-)

GitHub is the land of possibilities; and 'tis a marvellous place; but 
not for the nervous.


Richmond.

On 24.05.2016 17:24, James Hale wrote:

Now that 8 is out,things on GitHub should be simpler, right?
No, not really.
We still have 8.01rc1 sitting there.
We have 802rc1 sitting there.
8.10dp1 AND 8.10dp2 AND 8.10 future?

While I really like the action happening I wish we could collapse things a bit 
and get the different branches consistent.
For instance let's start with removing those builds that are actually released.

That would leave us with 8.02rc1, 8.1dp2 and 8.10 future (whatever this is 
supposed to mean).

Then could be get some guidance as to whether 8.1 contains the fixes in 8.02 or 
not.
In other words, if 8.02 fixes something we wanted fixed but we also want to 
test against 8.1, can we count on not having worry about a missing fix?

Which gets me to my main hope. Could we perhaps release the rc' a bit more 
frequently? I mean there was only one rc for 8.01 and now we are already almost 
up to 8.02rc1 but before it was released we get an 8.1dp1.
Can't you move the unfinished bits of 8.02rc1 into a future 8.02rc2 and get 
8.02rc1 out?
Will there be an 8.02rc2 or will you jump to 8.03rc1? Sort makes the 'rc' 
labels superfluous.

James

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Re: Avoiding a stupid mistake

2016-05-22 Thread RM


Ha, Ha, Ha: I'm sure that everybody is dumb enough to do that at least once.

I know that I, being extra skilled, have done it (deleting things 
accidentally)  . . . at least . . . oh, dear, I seem to have run out of 
fingers and toes.


Deleting anything may lead to regrets later: hence  I have about 6 1 
terabyte hard drives in external containers containing

stuff going back to 1993.

This also points out the limitations of 'transparent' cross-platform 
development.


Richmond.

On 22.05.2016 18:31, Graham Samuel wrote:

Just for general interest -

I wanted to delete the Preferences folder for an app I’m working on, so I 
scripted a button as follows:

get specialFolderPath("preferences")
revdeletefolder it

What I’d forgotten was that on the Mac version, my preferences were not in a 
folder dedicated to my app, but just stored in a folder called ‘Preferences’ 
with all the preferences of all other apps for my whole library! So the result 
of pressing this button was to delete all the preferences from the machine! 
Luckily Time Machine came to my aid… but the point is, nothing stopped my 
script from executing.

Of course nobody else would be dumb enough to do this, but just in case…

Graham
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HTML5 standalone from Livecode 8.0.1

2016-05-22 Thread RM


Just a "little something" for Sunday afternoon:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=120=27345

Richmond.

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Re: Unicode display engine.

2016-05-21 Thread RM


No joy "over here" on Linux.

Arial Unicode MS.

My "problem" (well, apart from all the other ones . . . ) is HOW to get 
my Devawriter Pro
to "do" 'standard' (lots of quotation marks floating around, sorry) 
Hindi halant entry rather
than the non-standard method (which works cross-platform, but doesn't 
port well to fonts other than my own),
and this depends on the Zero Width Joiner being enabled to strut its 
funky stuff regardless of where it is.


Personally, as the Indians (see below) go their own sweet way, I have no 
particular problem going my sweet
way (in case you haven't worked that one out already), but, rather like 
passing exams, degree certificates
and all those things which I don't like much (but have by the bucket 
load), I realise that the world would be even more

disordered than it is without standards.

AND there are voices pushing for me to sort this halant thingy out. AND, 
if one wants to be crude, I'm banging my head
up against ADOBE; and like David I really would rather like to come 
galumphing back with Goliath's head.


Digging around on the internet I find that the Indians, apart from 
having a time-zone that differs from their neighbours
by 30 minutes instead of an hour, also "type different" as they really 
cannot be bothered that much about interoperability
(even though the Indian government has signed the Unicode 
something-or-other) and carry on rather like Bulgarians did in 1996;
the difference being that Bulgarians being creatures of fashion, they 
jumped on the Unicode train as soon as it showed up.
The Indians keep using their non-standard font systems; a sort of 
reflection of Hinduism - extremely tolerant, and extremely chaotic;

probably rather jolly in religious terms, but not in the world of computers.

Richmond.

On 21.05.2016 11:21, Fraser Gordon wrote:

On 21/05/16 09:05, RM wrote:
I don't know how the Unicode display engine in Livecode 7.0 and 
upwards works.


LiveCode doesn't include a Unicode display engine - it takes the steam 
of characters, breaks it down into words and then asks the operating 
system's display engine to render those words. This means that the 
ability to shape complex scripts like Devanagari depends on operating 
system support.




But it certainly doesn't seem to want to do some interesting knitting 
in Hindi:


http://unicode.org/faq/indic.html

Section: "Q: I cannot find the "half forms" of Devanagari letters (or 
any other Indic script) in the Unicode code charts."


Is this "just me", or is the Livecode unicode engine unable to 
perform this sort of trick?


I've not tested with Devanagari, but the font shaping supplied by the 
operating system does work for Arabic letters (the ZWJ and ZWNJ 
codepoints cause the shaping to use initial/medial/final forms 
correctly) so maybe the machine you're running on doesn't do Indic 
shaping? Try entering the same characters into a text editor 
application to see if it works (make sure you're using the same font 
in both the editor and LiveCode). If not, let me know as there is 
something strange going on!


Fraser


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Unicode display engine.

2016-05-21 Thread RM

I don't know how the Unicode display engine in Livecode 7.0 and upwards 
works.


But it certainly doesn't seem to want to do some interesting knitting in 
Hindi:


http://unicode.org/faq/indic.html

Section: "Q: I cannot find the "half forms" of Devanagari letters (or 
any other Indic script) in the Unicode code charts."


Is this "just me", or is the Livecode unicode engine unable to perform 
this sort of trick?


Richmond.

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Re: [OT] Want to help build a new HyperCard


Thanks to suggestions by Peter Bogdanoff much better indeed.

R.

On 20.05.2016 22:14, RM wrote:

Keeps on getting better.

I am now at the stage where I would be grateful for anyone who wishes 
to deploy a vaguely "Hypercardy" simplified UI
for Livecode 8.0 to try the thing out and give me feedback. Anyone who 
wishes is, of course, welcome to muck around with

the stack and improve things - just upload your improved version.

Richmond.

On 20.05.2016 18:18, RM wrote:
"Open" button now works, "Import Image" button added [and it works!], 
"Save" button still proving a problem.


R.

On 20.05.2016 10:22, RM wrote:

Just uploaded a revision that works a whole lot better!

On 19.05.2016 23:44, RM wrote:

I'm on it: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=25=27328

Richmond.









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Re: [OT] Want to help build a new HyperCard


Keeps on getting better.

I am now at the stage where I would be grateful for anyone who wishes to 
deploy a vaguely "Hypercardy" simplified UI
for Livecode 8.0 to try the thing out and give me feedback. Anyone who 
wishes is, of course, welcome to muck around with

the stack and improve things - just upload your improved version.

Richmond.

On 20.05.2016 18:18, RM wrote:
"Open" button now works, "Import Image" button added [and it works!], 
"Save" button still proving a problem.


R.

On 20.05.2016 10:22, RM wrote:

Just uploaded a revision that works a whole lot better!

On 19.05.2016 23:44, RM wrote:

I'm on it: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=25=27328

Richmond.







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Re: Stupid Q number 1000


That WAS a bit goofy of me. Thanks.

Richmond.

On 20.05.2016 18:23, Klaus major-k wrote:

Hi Richmond,


Am 20.05.2016 um 17:17 schrieb RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com>:

I wonder why this script doesn't work in LC 8.0.1:

on mouseUp
   ask file "Choose where you wish to save your stack"
  if the result = "cancel"
  then exit mouseUp
  else
 save stack "New Stack"
 end if
end mouseUp

for the same reason this will not work in earlier version:
It is missing the „point"! :-D

This works, spot the difference:
on mouseUp
   ask file "Choose where you wish to save your stack"
   if the result = "cancel" then
 exit mouseUp
   else
 set the filename of stack "New Stack" to it
 save stack "New Stack"
  end if
end mouseUp


Richmond.

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
kl...@major-k.de


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Stupid Q number 1000


I wonder why this script doesn't work in LC 8.0.1:

on mouseUp
   ask file "Choose where you wish to save your stack"
  if the result = "cancel"
  then exit mouseUp
  else
 save stack "New Stack"
 end if
end mouseUp

Richmond.

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Re: Palette command problem

If I put 'palette "XYZ"' in the messageBOx I get a palette.

If I put 'palette "XYZ"' in a stack called "XYZ" insode, say, a mouseUp 
message, I DON'T get a palette.

Richmond.

On 20.05.2016 17:23, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Kay C Lan wrote:

> Here on OSX 10.9.5 LC 8.0.1 rc 1 if I open a 'topLevel' stack and in
> the message box:
>
>palette stack "guineapig"
>
> the stack is palettised. But if I put this in the message box:
>
>put the style of stack "guineapig"
>
> the result is: topLevel ??
>
> If I revert the stack back to topLevel and in the message box:
>
>set the style of stack "guineapig" to palette
>
> it works, and if I then:
>
> put the style of stack "guineapig"
>
> the result is: palette
>
> Something definitely not right. Anyone else seeing the command
>
>palette stack "yourNameHere"

This all seems fine, given the unique roles of style and mode.

The style property is persistent, saved with the stack.  It's toplevel 
by default, but can be changed to modeless, modal, or palette.  When a 
stack is opened without specifying a mode name (as with "go" or 
"open") the stack will be opened in the mode determined by its style 
property.

At any time we can override the stack's style property by using a 
style name as a command, such as palette, modeless, etc. e.g.:

  palette "SomeStack"

Using a style name as a command will open the stack in the specified 
mode, but will not alter the persistent "style" property.  This is 
especially useful for things like palettes, so you can simply open 
them with "open" and when you want to work on them you can use the 
"toplevel" style name as a command:

  toplevel "SomeStack"

To determine the actual mode in use by a stack at any given time, use 
the stack's mode property.  This is determined at runtime and is 
read-only, an integer reflecting any of the various states a stack can 
be in.  Style names are not used here as the mode property covers a 
broader range of circumstances than a stack's style property, 
including a toplevel stack that has its cantModify set to true (2) as 
opposed to editable (1), or closed but still in memory (0).  Palettes 
will have a mode of 4.

It may be helpful to have mode listed among the See Also tokens in the 
Dictionary entry for the Style property.

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Re: Stupid Q number 999


Thanks.

Richmond.

On 20.05.2016 10:15, Kay C Lan wrote:

Same way as you did in HC

go to card 999 of stack "Stupid Q"

OR, if the stack isn't known/related to the stack you are currently in:

go to card 999 of stack "Users/Richmond/Stacks/Stupid Q.livecode"

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Re: [OT] Want to help build a new HyperCard


Just uploaded a revision that works a whole lot better!

On 19.05.2016 23:44, RM wrote:

I'm on it: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=25=27328

Richmond.



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Re: Palette command problem


Yes, it does: thanks a lot.

Richmond.

On 20.05.2016 02:08, panagiotis merakos wrote:

set the style of stack "newTools" to palette



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Palette command problem


So, I have this command in the stackScript of a stack:

on openStack
  palette stack "newTools"
end openStack

and the stack is not becoming a palette.

I'm obviously missing something.

Richmond.

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Re: [OT] Want to help build a new HyperCard


I'm on it: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=25=27328

Richmond.

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Stupid Q number 999


How do you open a stack using a script?

Richmond.

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Another Q from the Yahoo HC group


Sorry, but got caught by this.

"Op 10-May-16 om 14:38 schreef Andrew Ferguson
andrewferguson500@... [HyperCard]:
>
>
> A modernised UI was one of the stated goals of the kickstarter project.
> This hasn't been started yet, though, and I can't find any mention of it
> in the LiveCode roadmap.
>
> Perhaps when the LiveCode team get round to this, we could contribute?"

I do remember an idea for a sort "all-covering-the-desktop" type UI was 
mentioned
during the Kickstarter (in fact I mentioned it 2 or 3 times 
subsequently), but:


1. "modernised": if modernising the UI means making something so one 
cannot get at the desktop while

one is working, forget it!

2. If modernising the UI means making the UI look exactly like the UI of 
Visual Basic et al, forget it!


3. That word "modernise" is semantically slithery.

4. What's wrong with the present UI in &.0 and the slightly tweaked one 
in 8.0?


"I can't find any mention of it in the LiveCode roadmap."

Has this been "quietly dropped" because . . . err . . . it's not really 
needed/wanted
and/or is about 1 million times less important that all the other REALLY 
CLEVER STUFF

that is going into LC 8.0 ?

Richmond.

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[OT] Want to help build a new HyperCard

Over on the Yahoo group "Discussion Group for Hypercard" there is this 
topic.


This seems to be a seasonal phenomenon, which never comes to much, and I 
cannot

help wondering why it keeps coming up.

One thing that does cross my mind is that maybe (?) some of these people 
haven't heard about

Livecode. But that does seem a bit odd.

"New" Hypercard has been "done" at least twice: Supercard and 
Metacard-LiveCode.


As Livecode is now available in a Community (as is 'free') version I 
cannot see any possible reason
why someone might wish to create Hypercard; especially as Livecode 
contains a super-set of the features offered

by Hypercard (I sometimes think of Hypercard as 5% Livecode).

I think that 'We' (that's another word that can be discussed at length) 
ought to be thumping our

tubs a lot more!

Richmond.

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Re: Daft "text Editor" question


Now THAT seems to be the information I am looking for.

Thank you very much indeed.

Richmond.

On 18.05.2016 20:19, Scott Rossi wrote:

If you look at the Find and Replace... option in the Edit menu, you'll see
you can do replace actions throughout a stack by changing the "In" option
to "This stack and its stack files".

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 5/18/16, 10:05 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of RM"
<use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of
richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:


So am really wondering how to go about this.

In a perfect world (bloody silly thing to say really, as a "perfect
world" is just some sort of delusion) I would be able to
open the whole stack in some sort of text editor, run, say, 50
search-&-replace routines for multiple occurrences, save the thing,
and reopen it in Livecode, and "Bob's yer Uncle".

I wonder why Livecode is "so stuffy"?



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Re: Bullet • Mac/Win

If you are working with any version from 7.0 upwards you should be able 
to "just" do this:


put whatever & TAB & *numToCodePoint(8226)* & anothervar & CR after tDGText

give it a try and revert to me :)

Best, Richmond.

On 18.05.2016 18:55, Klaus major-k wrote:

Hi Richmond,


Am 18.05.2016 um 17:45 schrieb RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com>:

Dear Klaus,

As Macintosh and Windows versions of Livecode, and the 2 operating systems, are 
Unicode compliant
as long as you use the Unicode compliant bullet-point symbol [Hex 2022, Decimal 
8226] there should
be no reason why it should not cross from Mac to Windows without going "funny".

http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2000.pdf

OK, thank you!

Please pardon my ignorance, but how can I create a tab delimited text list
(for a datagrid) that contains this bullet?
...
put whatever & TAB & XXX & anothervar & CR after tDGText
## Where XXX should be the bullet...
...

Any pointer appreciated :-)


Richmond.

Best

Klaus

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http://www.major-k.de
kl...@major-k.de


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Re: Daft "text Editor" question




On 18.05.2016 18:45, J. Landman Gay wrote:
You can read and edit stack files in most text editors (I use BBEdit) 
but note that LC won't recognize the altered file as a valid stack if 
you try to open it later.


Aah: that is where the antic sits (check out Shakespeare's "Richard II": 
it rocks); the fact that Livecode won't read the altered file.


In Visual Basic 5 (which I had a brief, unhappy flirtation forced on me 
at the "University" of Abertay), although, frankly, I cannot
think of much good to say about it, the one thing that was useful 
(although at the time I disliked it intensely) was the ability to look at
the scripts for all the objects in a "stack" as one long list. In fact 
my main grouse about it (apart from the fact that it was confined to one

operating system) was that one couldn't view individual scripts of objects.

I notice that in my original post I misspelled 'frankly' as 'farnkly', 
and FARNKLY really expresses how I feel
about having to go through millions of lines of code changing numToChar 
to numToCodePoint, and replacing surrogate pairs with

full Unicode address numbers.

So am really wondering how to go about this.

In a perfect world (bloody silly thing to say really, as a "perfect 
world" is just some sort of delusion) I would be able to
open the whole stack in some sort of text editor, run, say, 50 
search-&-replace routines for multiple occurrences, save the thing,

and reopen it in Livecode, and "Bob's yer Uncle".

I wonder why Livecode is "so stuffy"?

Richmond.



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HyperActive Software   |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On May 18, 2016 5:05:02 AM RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:


Does anyone know of a word-processing type program that can open .rev
and .livecode
files so that one can see ALL the scripts of ALL the objects in one long
document?

This may sound a bit daft, but I am considering "refactoring" the
code-base for my Devawriter Pro
from pre version 7 to post version 7, and this will involve very many
changes in about 4 million
lines of code, and, farnkly, I should like to automate that process as
much as possible.

Richmond.

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Re: Bullet • Mac/Win


Dear Klaus,

As Macintosh and Windows versions of Livecode, and the 2 operating 
systems, are Unicode compliant
as long as you use the Unicode compliant bullet-point symbol [Hex 2022, 
Decimal 8226] there should
be no reason why it should not cross from Mac to Windows without going 
"funny".


http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2000.pdf

Richmond.

On 18.05.2016 18:37, Klaus major-k wrote:

Hi friends,

I do not have a Win PC at hand, so my question:
Since version 7.x we have unicode, does that mean
that if I enter a bullet point (see subject) on my Mac into
an LC field, i will also get a bullet point when opening that
stack on Windows?

Know what I mean?

Thanks a lot in advance!


Best

Klaus
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http://www.major-k.de
kl...@major-k.de


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Daft "text Editor" question

Does anyone know of a word-processing type program that can open .rev 
and .livecode
files so that one can see ALL the scripts of ALL the objects in one long 
document?


This may sound a bit daft, but I am considering "refactoring" the 
code-base for my Devawriter Pro
from pre version 7 to post version 7, and this will involve very many 
changes in about 4 million
lines of code, and, farnkly, I should like to automate that process as 
much as possible.


Richmond.

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Re: LC on VMWare?

2016-05-16 Thread RM

All I can tell you is that I run Livecode in VMWare running Windows 7 
and have never
had a problem with it running. I run standalone builds of mine (both 
locally generated,
and generated on the host system [Linux]) without a blink. Admittedly 
this does not
happen every day as I don't use Windows for any sort of development at 
all, I use it

only for testing Windows builds of my stuff.

However:

1. That's just VMWare running on my desktop computer: nothing remote 
about it at all.


2. While you state that a  client is trying to run your standalone using 
VMWare you don't state what the OS is in the VMWare container.


Richmond.

On 16.05.2016 20:45, Dan Friedman wrote:

Hello!

I have a client that is trying to run my LiveCode Standalone (built with LC 7.0.1) using 
VMWare.  They are trying to get it to run in VMWare so they can run it from a Chromebook. 
 Problem is when they run the app remotely, it crashes on launch with the message 
"AppName has stopped working".  Anyone have any experience with this or know 
why a LC app would fail under VMWare?  They have MANY apps, some quite old, running 
without an issue under VMWare.

Your thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

-Dan
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Re: Defaults for groups


I have just posted a solution to this problem here:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=27280

Richmond.

On 14.05.2016 11:31, RM wrote:

Yes, this is a nuisance, on all versions of Livecode.

When I combine a background image that is, say, 128 by 128 pixels with 
various front images to do either an "import snapshot"
or an "export snapshot" (something I do on average about four times a 
day), I would love to end up with an image that is 128 by 128 pixels,

and not a bigger thing with a border of transparent pixels.

Richmond.

On 14.05.2016 07:18, Jerry Jensen wrote:
On May 13, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami 
<bra...@hindu.org> wrote:


Am I the only one wishing that when we create a group the defaults 
should be no border, no border width assign and margins 0?

I’m with you on this.
.Jerry


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[OT] Politics


I'd just like to state that I'm sorry I made a political statement
a few messages back (pace Donald Trump).

Richmond.

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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I admit you are right.

Richmond.

On 14.05.2016 17:01, Richard Gaskin wrote:

RM wrote:

> AND, as to "complaining"; I often wonder where one draws the lines
> between "complaints", positive criticism and negative criticism.

I'd venture that filing a bug report is useful and productive, but 
waging a social media campaign about every annoyance with posts here, 
to the forums, and one or more social media networks less so.

And infinitely less so if such a campaign doesn't also eventually 
include a bug report.

Maybe better to just write the bug report.

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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO




On 14.05.2016 11:40, Monte Goulding wrote:

I'm not overly fond of the direction this conversation is going. Us v them is 
unproductive and there are many benefits to the platform for going open source.


AND, as to "complaining"; I often wonder where one draws the lines between 
"complaints"
positive criticism and negative criticism.

I would draw the line on complaints v positive criticism at whether it is a 
well written bug report. It's not hard to work out why it is less constructive 
to raise issues elsewhere. Negative criticism would be things like unnecessary 
negative statements about new versions of the platform on your Facebook page 
about learning it...


If that "jibe" is directed at me you might like to reflect on the nature 
and the target audience of my Facebook page:


https://www.facebook.com/RMLCclasses/?fref=nf

This is a support page for the classes I teach every summer to to 
children between 8/9 and 16 who have

NO experience of programming at all.

It is also being followed by approx. 15 kids (that's the number who have 
reverted to me so I am aware of them)
 outwith Bulgaria who are using those examples offered there to learn 
Livecode themselves.


The comment to which you no doubt refer: "While Livecode is supposedly 
"Stable" it is really NOT ready for use, so best left alone at present."


is only there because I am well aware that children getting ready to 
attend my classes this summer will go to the download page and see
Livecode 8. Should they download Livecode 8 they will be faced with 
something that is far more complex than Livecode 7. It is not suitable
for the Summer classes I shall be teaching this summer, both because of 
the complexity I referred to, and the fact that it is not as stable as 
Livecode 7.


This is NOT negative criticism, this is a message tailored for a certain 
audience.


I will consider, next year, should I conduct summer programming classes 
then, introducing children to Livecode 8 on the last class

of their course.

Teaching people how to drive a articulated lorry with a gear stick that 
coupled with a splitter allows one 16 gears is daft if they, first,
haven't learnt how to drive a salon car. Especially if the artic. lorry 
has a small problem with some of its synchro-mesh.


That is NOT a negative criticism, it is a statement of informed opinion.

Here's an example of negative criticism: "The heads-up display in the 
Toyota Sprongo is useless."


It is negative both because it uses a word that stops one dead in one's 
tracks, and offers no suggestions as to how one might

sort that problem out.

"Not ready for use" leaves the door open, that, in time, the thing will 
be ready for use.


One thing that you may be unaware of is that I am an educator with many 
years experience of working with children, and
while I may be capable of all sorts of clever things, that is probably 
because at the age of 54 and buckets of study I have built
up a body of knowledge which the average 10 year old does not possess. 
So I cut my coat to suit those children on that Facebook page.


Best, Richmond.


Monte

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Re: Defaults for groups


Yes, this is a nuisance, on all versions of Livecode.

When I combine a background image that is, say, 128 by 128 pixels with 
various front images to do either an "import snapshot"
or an "export snapshot" (something I do on average about four times a 
day), I would love to end up with an image that is 128 by 128 pixels,

and not a bigger thing with a border of transparent pixels.

Richmond.

On 14.05.2016 07:18, Jerry Jensen wrote:

On May 13, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami  
wrote:

Am I the only one wishing that when we create a group the defaults should be no 
border, no border width assign and margins 0?

I’m with you on this.
.Jerry


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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO




On 14.05.2016 02:06, Bob Sneidar wrote:

On May 13, 2016, at 16:05 , Bob Sneidar  wrote:

Well you know, there are lies... and then there are damnable lies... and then 
there are detestably damnable lies...

And then there are statistics!

(roughly a quote of Mark Twain)


Who I just discovered got it from British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli.

Bob S


Benjamin Disraeli would know, being extremely good at dressing a wide 
variety of things

up as the truth, and playing both ends off against the middle.

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3760

While seducing Queen Victoria (the Hanoverian incumbent) with his novels 
and parlour talk, he
was also in contact with King Victor (the Jacobite claimant) in Sardinia 
in case Victoria didn't

bend enough to his wishes.

While Mark Twain might have been a bit blunt, at least nobody could ever 
accuse him

of being a slithery sh*t.

Richmond.


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Re: SVG Widgets Work Well -- User Contributions - Screen Casts

Just one small addendum to Brahmanathaswami's good posting.

On 14.05.2016 01:19, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

SVG widget, despite limitations at the moment, is awesome making icons. No more PNG's
that go "all bust up" if you resize them…

Go to iconfinder.com… download what you want as svg.

Note that there are cases where the svg is in several paths. So if you open in
Illustrator, select all and make compound path, save and *then* use that in the
SVG widget… it works.. even unexpectedly where you may have e.g. 3 dots that
you would think must be independent paths…

Of course, those of us who don't have either the money to buy, or the
lack of conscience to pirate Illustrator need to know that there are
an increasing number of alternatives to Illustrator that will not burn a
hole in your pocket:

Inkscape: https://inkscape.org/en/ Mac/Win/Lin

sk1: http://sk1project.org/ Win/Lin

Xara Xtreme: http://www.xaraxtreme.org/ Linux

Illustrator (and the rest of the Adobe family of products) version CS2
are all available free of charge here:
http://www.redmondpie.com/download-adobe-photoshop-cs2-for-free-legally-while-you-still-can/

Illustrator CS2 will do the "trick" that Brahmanathaswami explains;
making a compound path. It also runs rather well on Linux under WINE.

Cheap-Jacks Ahoy!

Richmond.

My suggestion is that you might better expose that tip on making compound paths.

Which then leads my question on user contributions channels. Let's say we
discover something useful that we feel is really buried in terms of what
newbies would need and might be frustrated trying to find.

How does one best get that into the mix of documentatin/tutorials. Another useful channel
I see is YouTube itself… lots of people posting things like "How to do this in
Outlook" 3 minutes, max

But it is fragmented.

We do a lot of small tech screen casts internally and it would be trivioal for me or many others to start
recording video and just do a "Up and Running with SVG Icon" 2 minutes, open stack, drag SVG icon
out. Switch to browser, download SVG switch to illustrator, make compound path, open in Atom, copy and paste
into Livecod… and verbalize the gotchas like "if your path doesn't start with "m" then it
wont' work… be sure to select between the quotes… you don't need all that code at the top. Etc."

So if one did make such a screen cast. Where would it go

We are not talking about issues/problems or work around, but just things that
actually do work but which may be obscure.

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO




On 14.05.2016 00:17, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 5/13/2016 2:02 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:

My first gut reaction was "So, I and the other 24% minority of people
paying for licenses are funding an awesome development tool that some
76% of you folks out there are using for free. 


What follows does not consist of gut reactions.


People who only use
Community and grip should be sending the 24% of us who pay thank you 
cards!"


I had the same reaction. It is, to my mind, the height of chutzpah to 
complain about things one receives for free.


"Free" is a bit of a slithery word as it seems to mean quite a few 
different things.


I stumped up my "widow's mite" for the Kickstarter; had I had more funds 
I would have stumped up more.


So, whether I am receiving things for "Free" is a bit of a moot point 
[admittedly one that is a waste of time discussing].


I wish people would stop banging on about the word "Free" just because 
it is such a vague word.


AND, as to "complaining"; I often wonder where one draws the lines 
between "complaints", positive criticism and negative criticism.


The problem there is either "all in the mind" or "all in the mouth".

Paul Dupois wrote:


However, that gut reaction in no way takes into account the "gift in
kind" contributions of people using only the Community license in
(a) contributions to the source code
(b) time spend on submitting quality bug reports
(c) time spend on helping others with useful advice on the forums
or email lists, and
(d) many, many, other similar contributions of time.


I know many people who do at least three of these four items. ALL of
them, inclusive me, have at least an Indy license and are backing each
and every campaign.

Of course he is wrong in stating that ALL of them have at least an Indy 
licence.


I'm "guilty" of (b), (c) and a very small bit of (d) and the only 
licences I "own" (whatever that means in this context)
are a licence to DreamCard 2.6, one to Livecode Studio 4.0 and Livecode 
Enterprise 4.5 (and the last one was, very

generously given to me by Livecode).

I don't believe I'm the only one who owns no "contemporary" licences who 
submits bug reports, or helps people with

advice of varying levels of helpfulness on the forums or email lists.

That does NOT mean I feel I am entitled to either an Indy or a 
Full-Monty licence, as I am well aware that

Livecode DO need the money people pay for those licences.

It is a delusion to think that a contribution to a kickstarter 3 years 
ago is still funding current development.


I am not so daft as to think that money most of us stumped up for the 
Kickstarter is funding current development; and I very much doubt

if anybody else is that daft either.

The problem lies in this:

When people were offered the chance to stump up money for the 
Kickstarter they were presented a whole list of things (followed by a list
of "stretch goals") which they were assured would be financed by the 
Kickstarter, but have not been completed yet.


Now it might be that many of us who stumped up money for the Kickstarter 
are/were naive in believing that those things would be financed by the 
Kickstarter,


it might be that Livecode/RunRev were naive in thinking that those 
things would be financed by the Kickstarter.


There is, however, a difference between the consequences of the funders' 
naivety and Livecode/RunRev's naivety: in the latter case
there should be some sort of apology, instead we are faced with further 
requests/demands for money.


Now if one promises goods and/or services for money and does not deliver 
it might be a bit naive (oops, there's that word again) to expect those
people who stumped up money for things that were then not delivered as 
promised to stump up further funds.




The team needs a steady source of income to continue development into 
the future. 


I wouldn't doubt it for a moment.

But as it has undertaken to deliver  for  and hasn't, it may 
have to consider raising funds in a completely different way than going 
back,

cap-in-hand, to the initial funders.

If only 1/4 of the user base is paying for that then development will 
slow or founder. I am amazed and grateful for the work the team has 
done on such slim resources provided by only a fraction of the user base. 


It may be instructive to have a look at how companies such as Canonical 
(the company behind Ubuntu) finances itself: there maybe the odd
donation here and there, but their main sources of income are from other 
places and means.



They should be receiving accolades.



Indeed, I believe they would be receiving far more accolades if they 
were not releasing things they termed "Stable" which still contained

quite important bugs.

Livecode/RunRev should stop feeling pressure (if they do) to release GM 
versions. I really don't see what would have been wrong with
Livecode 8.0 going through 50 developer previews if that is what it took 
to get a really smashing release that attracted

Re: Raising Money

2016-05-13 Thread RM


Luckily for me I live a long way away from American politics (although,
admittedly, I wouldn't mind taking a semi-automatic to Trump), and live 
in a country
where the politics are remarkably bent, and as I am not allowed to vote 
here I just

get on with my job.

However, Livecode is not "American Politics".

R.

On 13.05.2016 18:13, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Well then, you must be completely confounded with American Politics! ;-)

Bob S



On May 12, 2016, at 23:11 , RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

I really wonder about asking people for donations
when one hasn't fulfilled all the promises one made
last time people gave you money.

R.

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.1 RC-1

2016-05-13 Thread RM


This, oddly enough, excites me, for 2 reasons:

1. The "Stable" release version 8.0.0 is not feature complete, and is 
"quite wonky"

on Linux 64-bit.

2. I am endlessly hopeful, naive and optimistic.

I am looking forwards to some sort of in-built Dictionary in the Linux 
64-bit build


(and, as someone remarked on the Forums, "Can we have our old dictionary 
back?" - why not; as the new one is totally NON,

there's no point in having it)

but I am installing the 32-bit build alongside the 64-bit one as , 
despite protestations, I think that has been side-lined.


Richmond.

On 13.05.2016 16:26, panagiotis merakos wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0.1 RC-1.





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Raising Money

2016-05-13 Thread RM


I really wonder about asking people for donations
when one hasn't fulfilled all the promises one made
last time people gave you money.

R.

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Tiling games & custom props

2016-05-12 Thread RM


At last . . .

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=22=27268

Richmond.

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Re: Wildcard?

2016-05-10 Thread RM

Oh, look: I'm like a dog returning to its own vomit: 
http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Wildcards-td4669119.html


Useless last time: I wonder what chances this time?

Funny considering a lot of other programming languages do use wildcard 
characters (that's a bitchy comment,à l'anglais).


Richmond.

On 10.05.2016 23:33, RM wrote:
Well, here I am reading my "Revolution 1.1.1" User Guide because when 
I was
soaking in a nice hot bath (an excellent location for thinking about 
Livecode)
I suddenly thought of a "problem", which, on reflection congealed 
around the

term "Wildcard".

Now in the "Revolution 1.1.1" User Guide, page 374 it has this to say:

Wildcard
A symbol that stands for one or more characters.

Which made me think I was back in the bath-tub staring at my navel.

Couldn't find anything else anywhere at all.

Now I was merrily imagining a stack where a source "spat out" new images
every 10 seconds and called them T1, T2, T3 . . . . and so on, 
theoretically
for ever, and a "gobbler" (meaning another image) chasing these images 
and

messing around with "intersect" as one does.

That, Ding-An-Sich, should not be all that hard.

But the code would be a pain-in-the-bum without a wildcard character.

HOWEVER, I cannot, for the life of me, find out which character IS the
wildcard character in Livecode.

I DON'T want to use Regex as I want to use this with kiddos in
their elementary progging classes this summer.

ALL I can find are refs to matchChunk and matchText.

Now what I need is a way to do this sort of thing:

on arrowkey AK
  if AK = "left" then
   put item 1 of the loc of img "Gobbler" into G1
   put item 2 of the loc of img "Gobbler" into G2
   put (G1 - 10) into G1
move img "Gobbler" to G1, G2
 end if
 ---more of the same with "right", "up", and "down"
 if intersect(img "Gobbler", img "T#") then
   --do something boring
end if

where "#" is the wildcard character.

Richmond.


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Wildcard?

2016-05-10 Thread RM


Well, here I am reading my "Revolution 1.1.1" User Guide because when I was
soaking in a nice hot bath (an excellent location for thinking about 
Livecode)

I suddenly thought of a "problem", which, on reflection congealed around the
term "Wildcard".

Now in the "Revolution 1.1.1" User Guide, page 374 it has this to say:

Wildcard
A symbol that stands for one or more characters.

Which made me think I was back in the bath-tub staring at my navel.

Couldn't find anything else anywhere at all.

Now I was merrily imagining a stack where a source "spat out" new images
every 10 seconds and called them T1, T2, T3 . . . . and so on, theoretically
for ever, and a "gobbler" (meaning another image) chasing these images and
messing around with "intersect" as one does.

That, Ding-An-Sich, should not be all that hard.

But the code would be a pain-in-the-bum without a wildcard character.

HOWEVER, I cannot, for the life of me, find out which character IS the
wildcard character in Livecode.

I DON'T want to use Regex as I want to use this with kiddos in
their elementary progging classes this summer.

ALL I can find are refs to matchChunk and matchText.

Now what I need is a way to do this sort of thing:

on arrowkey AK
  if AK = "left" then
   put item 1 of the loc of img "Gobbler" into G1
   put item 2 of the loc of img "Gobbler" into G2
   put (G1 - 10) into G1
move img "Gobbler" to G1, G2
 end if
 ---more of the same with "right", "up", and "down"
 if intersect(img "Gobbler", img "T#") then
   --do something boring
end if

where "#" is the wildcard character.

Richmond.

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Re: Webinar

2016-05-10 Thread RM


http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=8404b344b09103bf489dd8a9a=6b47d04b9e=30cf6c38b4

R.

On 9.05.2016 22:30, Jim Kanter wrote:

They said it would go up on the blog soon.

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:25 PM, stephen barncard
<stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote:

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:22 PM, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:


I would be most grateful if there were a link available for later viewing.


1+

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Re: Webinar

2016-05-09 Thread RM


Unfortunately I was at work, so couldn't watch the webinar.

I would be most grateful if there were a link available for later viewing.

Richmond.

On 9.05.2016 21:40, Mark Talluto wrote:

I am equally excited about 8. The webinar was very informative.

-Mark



On May 9, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Dar Scott  wrote:

Thanks, Mark!  That actually was helpful.

The popup was covering up a bar at the top that essentially said, click here if 
you are having trouble.  I did and it was smooth sailing after that.

(I am excited about 8.)

Dar



On May 9, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Mark Talluto  wrote:




On May 9, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Dar Scott  wrote:

I've been trying to connect to the LiveCode 8 Webinar but I'm having trouble.

I keep getting a popup about not being able to open some document with a long 
random-looking name.

I'm on OS X 10.11.


Hi Dar,

While not very helpful, I am on 10.11 and am watching the webinar. Should work 
fine. Maybe some OS security options causing an issue?


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
livecloud.io
canelasoftware.com




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Re: Getting text into a Livecode field


You have made me an extremely happy person!

Thanks, Ali.

Richmond.

On 8.05.2016 17:37, Ali Lloyd wrote:

The old style 'contents' pane will be reinstated in (probably) the next RC:
https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/1159

On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 3:31 PM RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:


If one enters multi-line text, then clicks on another tab in the Props
palette, then clicks on the 'house' again
the Content field resizes to accommodate the text, but is does not do
that as one types: so one has to keep
tab-clicking back and forth as one types . . .

R.

On 8.05.2016 17:17, Randy Hengst wrote:

Have you tried resizing the property palette window? When I have

multiple lines entered into a field, I can see up to nine lines of the
field in the “Content” tab.

be well,
randy

Randy Hengst
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com




On May 8, 2016, at 4:43 AM, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for that, although a single line 'thing' does
not "Do for me" what the previous field did.

R.

On 8.05.2016 11:21, Peter W A Wood wrote:

Richmond

The screenshot you displays has the Text Styling tab visible. Did you

try clicking on the little house icon ?

Reagards

Peter



On 8 May 2016, at 15:44, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

More: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=27232

R.

On 7.05.2016 21:38, RM wrote:

So, I was mucking around trying to reduplicate/solve John Patten's
problem with Arrow Keys in Livecode 8 (I reduplicated them:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=27225),

and thought I'd do what I usually do: enter some text in a field and

do a quick "import snapshot"

to get a label on the stack.

So, I set up a new textField, and could find NO place in the

Properties palette where I could enter

the text; when I tried to enter it via 'browse' in the textField

itself that also failed.

Livecode 64 bit Linux.

Richmond.

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Re: Getting text into a Livecode field

If one enters multi-line text, then clicks on another tab in the Props 
palette, then clicks on the 'house' again
the Content field resizes to accommodate the text, but is does not do 
that as one types: so one has to keep

tab-clicking back and forth as one types . . .

R.

On 8.05.2016 17:17, Randy Hengst wrote:

Have you tried resizing the property palette window? When I have multiple lines 
entered into a field, I can see up to nine lines of the field in the “Content” 
tab.

be well,
randy

Randy Hengst
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com




On May 8, 2016, at 4:43 AM, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for that, although a single line 'thing' does
not "Do for me" what the previous field did.

R.

On 8.05.2016 11:21, Peter W A Wood wrote:

Richmond

The screenshot you displays has the Text Styling tab visible. Did you try 
clicking on the little house icon ?

Reagards

Peter



On 8 May 2016, at 15:44, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

More: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=27232

R.

On 7.05.2016 21:38, RM wrote:

So, I was mucking around trying to reduplicate/solve John Patten's
problem with Arrow Keys in Livecode 8 (I reduplicated them: 
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=27225),
and thought I'd do what I usually do: enter some text in a field and do a quick 
"import snapshot"
to get a label on the stack.

So, I set up a new textField, and could find NO place in the Properties palette 
where I could enter
the text; when I tried to enter it via 'browse' in the textField itself that 
also failed.

Livecode 64 bit Linux.

Richmond.

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Re: Getting text into a Livecode field


Picture indicating how inferior the new 'content' thing is:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=27232

R.

On 8.05.2016 12:43, RM wrote:

Thanks for that, although a single line 'thing' does
not "Do for me" what the previous field did.

R.

On 8.05.2016 11:21, Peter W A Wood wrote:

Richmond

The screenshot you displays has the Text Styling tab visible. Did you 
try clicking on the little house icon ?


Reagards

Peter



On 8 May 2016, at 15:44, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

More: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=27232

R.

On 7.05.2016 21:38, RM wrote:

So, I was mucking around trying to reduplicate/solve John Patten's
problem with Arrow Keys in Livecode 8 (I reduplicated them: 
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=27225),
and thought I'd do what I usually do: enter some text in a field 
and do a quick "import snapshot"

to get a label on the stack.

So, I set up a new textField, and could find NO place in the 
Properties palette where I could enter
the text; when I tried to enter it via 'browse' in the textField 
itself that also failed.


Livecode 64 bit Linux.

Richmond.


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Re: Getting text into a Livecode field


Thanks for that, although a single line 'thing' does
not "Do for me" what the previous field did.

R.

On 8.05.2016 11:21, Peter W A Wood wrote:

Richmond

The screenshot you displays has the Text Styling tab visible. Did you try 
clicking on the little house icon ?

Reagards

Peter



On 8 May 2016, at 15:44, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

More: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=27232

R.

On 7.05.2016 21:38, RM wrote:

So, I was mucking around trying to reduplicate/solve John Patten's
problem with Arrow Keys in Livecode 8 (I reduplicated them: 
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=27225),
and thought I'd do what I usually do: enter some text in a field and do a quick 
"import snapshot"
to get a label on the stack.

So, I set up a new textField, and could find NO place in the Properties palette 
where I could enter
the text; when I tried to enter it via 'browse' in the textField itself that 
also failed.

Livecode 64 bit Linux.

Richmond.


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Re: LC 8 speed advantages??


Speed advantages are like many things; they depend on a large number of
variables.

I can imagine a test that runs much faster in 7 than in 8,
and the other way round.

I do have a feeling that the Livecode people have shifted their attention to
slightly different goals with 8 than they were focussing on in 4,5,6 & 7,
and it would natural for them to look for speed advantages in the areas
they are specifically targetting.

If Livecode are guilty of anything it might be that they have 
over-generalised.


Had they said "3.5 times faster in graphics handling", or
"3.5 times faster in text-processing" there would be nothing to get 
picky about.


But almost all software vendors make claims like this: 
https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/


"Build Powerful Apps Faster"

which when one starts to tease them apart (especially that one) turn out 
to be almost

meaningless:

1. That presupposes we are trying to build exactly the same 'app' with 
LC 8 we were building with LC 7,

which is silly as we have already built the thing with LC 7.

2. Faster than "what"? There is actually no point of comparison.

That does not mean, of course, that LC 8 might, in general, allow one
to build 'apps' more quickly than with LC 7.

I am quite sure that, once Livecode have sorted out ALL the bugs that 
still seem to be there
in LC 8 "stable" that LC 8 will be capable of many more things than LC 7 
is; whether, in some way, things

will be faster remains to be seen.

At the moment, I think we should be fossicking out as many of the 
remaining bugs as we can and letting the
Livecode people know about them so they can do their best to sort them 
out and really release something that is
both stable AND not lacking in features that were there in version 7 AND 
works smoothly, rather than fussing
over statements such as "3.5 times faster": face it, that's largely 
advertising "puff"; not something we, established Livecode
users should be unduly fussed about. There are far more important things 
to be fussed about, and while, as has been
pointed out by another, Livecode is a bit vague about the term 
"Community", we, if we do, somehow, constitute a
"Community" should rally round and both help Livecode and send them a 
strong signal that as we care so should they.


Richmond.

On 8.05.2016 00:52, Howard Bornstein wrote:

"LiveCode 8 is on average 3.5 times faster than LiveCode 7"

I was very interested to see this claim as I had been hoping for better
speeds in a text manipulation app I wrote.

After building a standalone with LC 8, I ran the same test file in the new
LC8 standalone as a version I compiled in LC7.

In LC7, the standalone processed the text file in 28 seconds. In the "much
faster" LC8 version, the file took 38 seconds! What's up with that?
This program only uses text manipulation—no graphics work at all—so it
should have shown a substantial speed up, according to this quote on the LC
website: "In LiveCode 8 we’ve completely rewritten our low level string and
binary implementations for speed and performance."

Needless to say, I was very surprised at this result. Has anyone seen
similar (or contrary) results with text manipulation?




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Re: ArrowKey Handler in LiveCode 8?

I assume (???) a lot of these "oversights" are the result of the 'fact' 
(?) that
the Livecode people have gone back to square one and virtually recreated 
Livecode

/ad novum/ rather than adding incrementally on top of Livecode 7.

I don't know whether this is true. But it seems the 'kindest' 
explanation of why

a fair few of these things keep cropping up.

R.

On 7.05.2016 22:42, Scott Rossi wrote:

The arrowKey code has nothing to do with a change in language -- the lack
of arrowKey functionality in the IDE is just an oversight on the part of
LiveCode Ltd. (at least, I hope it is).

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 5/7/16, 12:24 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of RM"
<use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of
richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:


I am beginning to wonder exactly HOW MUCH of the language has been
changed,
and what justifies such change.

Richmond.

On 7.05.2016 21:56, Scott Rossi wrote:

If you want to recreate the behavior of previous versions of LC, you can
do something like this:

on arrowKey theKey
 if the selObj is empty then pass arrowKey
 put loc of the selObj into theLoc
 put 1 into D
 if the shiftkey is down then multiply D by 10
 switch theKey
 case "left"
 subtract D from item 1 of theLoc
 break
 case "right"
 add D to item 1 of theLoc
 break
 case "up"
 subtract D from item 2 of theLoc
 break
 case "down"
 add D to item 2 of theLoc
 end switch
 set loc of the selObj to theLoc
end arrowKey



Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design





On 7.05.2016 01:07, JOHN PATTEN wrote:

Hi All,

I was going to use the arrow keys to move an object, something like
what Devin wrote up a while ago:

on arrowKey pWhich
 # determine some way to designate which object is to be nudged
 put the long id of btn "test" into tSelObj # for example
 switch pWhich
   case "left"
 put -1 into tXamount
 put 0 into tYamount
 break
   case "up"
 put 0 into tXamount
 put -1 into tYamount
 break
   case "right"
 put 1 into tXamount
 put 0 into tYamount
 break
   case "down"
 put 0 into tXamount
 put 1 into tYamount
 break
 end switch
 move tSelObj relative tXamount,tYamount
end arrowKey
Šand after a few tests in LiveCode 8, I can¹t get anything to budge
with the arrowkeys? I opened the same stack in LiveCode 7.06 and it
works fine. Something change or is this a bug in 8?

Thank you!



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Re: ArrowKey Handler in LiveCode 8?


Glad you filed that bug report, as arrowKeys not being sent to a card would
be a real B*mmer. Thanks.

Richmond.

On 7.05.2016 22:30, Mike Bonner wrote:

If there isn't a focused object, arrowkey is supposed to be sent to the
card. This isn't happening in 8.

If you place an additional object (like a scrolling list field) onto the
card and click it so that it has focus, and then hit the arrow keys, your
object to move will behave as you expect.  arrowkey is sent to the focused
object, then passed up to the card. Its this bug.
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17470

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 1:24 PM, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:


I am beginning to wonder exactly HOW MUCH of the language has been changed,
and what justifies such change.

Richmond.

On 7.05.2016 21:56, Scott Rossi wrote:


If you want to recreate the behavior of previous versions of LC, you can
do something like this:

on arrowKey theKey
 if the selObj is empty then pass arrowKey
 put loc of the selObj into theLoc
 put 1 into D
 if the shiftkey is down then multiply D by 10
 switch theKey
 case "left"
 subtract D from item 1 of theLoc
 break
 case "right"
 add D to item 1 of theLoc
 break
 case "up"
 subtract D from item 2 of theLoc
 break
 case "down"
 add D to item 2 of theLoc
 end switch
 set loc of the selObj to theLoc
end arrowKey



Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7.05.2016 01:07, JOHN PATTEN wrote:

Hi All,

I was going to use the arrow keys to move an object, something like
what Devin wrote up a while ago:

on arrowKey pWhich
 # determine some way to designate which object is to be nudged
 put the long id of btn "test" into tSelObj # for example
 switch pWhich
   case "left"
 put -1 into tXamount
 put 0 into tYamount
 break
   case "up"
 put 0 into tXamount
 put -1 into tYamount
 break
   case "right"
 put 1 into tXamount
 put 0 into tYamount
 break
   case "down"
 put 0 into tXamount
 put 1 into tYamount
 break
 end switch
 move tSelObj relative tXamount,tYamount
end arrowKey
Šand after a few tests in LiveCode 8, I can¹t get anything to budge
with the arrowkeys? I opened the same stack in LiveCode 7.06 and it
works fine. Something change or is this a bug in 8?

Thank you!


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Re: ArrowKey Handler in LiveCode 8?


I am beginning to wonder exactly HOW MUCH of the language has been changed,
and what justifies such change.

Richmond.

On 7.05.2016 21:56, Scott Rossi wrote:

If you want to recreate the behavior of previous versions of LC, you can
do something like this:

on arrowKey theKey
if the selObj is empty then pass arrowKey
put loc of the selObj into theLoc
put 1 into D
if the shiftkey is down then multiply D by 10
switch theKey
case "left"
subtract D from item 1 of theLoc
break
case "right"
add D to item 1 of theLoc
break
case "up"
subtract D from item 2 of theLoc
break
case "down"
add D to item 2 of theLoc
end switch
set loc of the selObj to theLoc
end arrowKey



Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design





On 7.05.2016 01:07, JOHN PATTEN wrote:

Hi All,

I was going to use the arrow keys to move an object, something like
what Devin wrote up a while ago:

on arrowKey pWhich
# determine some way to designate which object is to be nudged
put the long id of btn "test" into tSelObj # for example
switch pWhich
  case "left"
put -1 into tXamount
put 0 into tYamount
break
  case "up"
put 0 into tXamount
put -1 into tYamount
break
  case "right"
put 1 into tXamount
put 0 into tYamount
break
  case "down"
put 0 into tXamount
put 1 into tYamount
break
end switch
move tSelObj relative tXamount,tYamount
end arrowKey
Šand after a few tests in LiveCode 8, I can¹t get anything to budge
with the arrowkeys? I opened the same stack in LiveCode 7.06 and it
works fine. Something change or is this a bug in 8?

Thank you!



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Getting text into a Livecode field


So, I was mucking around trying to reduplicate/solve John Patten's
problem with Arrow Keys in Livecode 8 (I reduplicated them: 
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=27225),
and thought I'd do what I usually do: enter some text in a field and do 
a quick "import snapshot"

to get a label on the stack.

So, I set up a new textField, and could find NO place in the Properties 
palette where I could enter
the text; when I tried to enter it via 'browse' in the textField itself 
that also failed.


Livecode 64 bit Linux.

Richmond.

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Re: ArrowKey Handler in LiveCode 8?


NBG:  Stack here: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=27225

on arrowKey AWK
   switch AWK
  case "left"
 put item 1 of the loc of img "eight" into IT1
 put item 2 of the loc of img "eight" into IT2
 put (IT1 - 10) into IT1
 move img "eight" to IT1, IT2
 break
 case "right"
 put item 1 of the loc of img "eight" into IT1
 put item 2 of the loc of img "eight" into IT2
 put (IT1 + 10) into IT1
 move img "eight" to IT1, IT2
 break
 case "up"
 put item 1 of the loc of img "eight" into IT1
 put item 2 of the loc of img "eight" into IT2
 put (IT2 - 10) into IT1
 move img "eight" to IT1, IT2
 break
 case "down"
 put item 1 of the loc of img "eight" into IT1
 put item 2 of the loc of img "eight" into IT2
 put (IT2 + 10) into IT1
 move img "eight" to IT1, IT2
 break
   end switch
end arrowKey

Richmond.

On 7.05.2016 01:07, JOHN PATTEN wrote:

Hi All,

I was going to use the arrow keys to move an object, something like what Devin 
wrote up a while ago:

on arrowKey pWhich
   # determine some way to designate which object is to be nudged
   put the long id of btn "test" into tSelObj # for example
   switch pWhich
 case "left"
   put -1 into tXamount
   put 0 into tYamount
   break
 case "up"
   put 0 into tXamount
   put -1 into tYamount
   break
 case "right"
   put 1 into tXamount
   put 0 into tYamount
   break
 case "down"
   put 0 into tXamount
   put 1 into tYamount
   break
   end switch
   move tSelObj relative tXamount,tYamount
end arrowKey
…and after a few tests in LiveCode 8, I can’t get anything to budge with the 
arrowkeys? I opened the same stack in LiveCode 7.06 and it works fine. 
Something change or is this a bug in 8?

Thank you!
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Props Palette 8


I won't say anything about releasing Beta quality stuff as 'stable' because
it has already been said loads of times, and . .  .

But there is a "more niggly thing", which many may regard as
simply cosmetic, and I suppose it is, but it does seem a bit
symptomatic . . .

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=27224

Richmond.


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Re: livecode.org [was: Release 8.0.0]

2016-05-05 Thread RM

Presumably "Whack-a-mole" is a phrase from your side of the pond' 
despite having spent

3 years there I've never heard it.

On my side of the pond, "Whacko!" means 'absolutely, spiffingly fantastic'.

Any way, isn't it mean to to be "guac-o-mole"?

Err, sorry, that was just too hard to resist.

Richmond.

On 5.05.2016 20:58, Bob Sneidar wrote:

As in Whack-a-mole as in you nailed it?

Bob S


On May 4, 2016, at 09:16 , RM 
<richmondmathew...@gmail.com<mailto:richmondmathew...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Whacko!

Richmond.

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Re: Community PDF Project (was Revenue and the Open Source edition)


I don't quite know where you got that idea from.

I would be very much surprised if Kevin Miller had actually stated that; 
it might
be that you concluded that on the basis of something he said; which is 
not the

same thing at all.

I would be extremely interested if you could post a link to that thread.

There are plenty of software packages offered under a variety of licences:
yesterday I downloaded a version of Draftsight which let me have a copy for
personal use for nothing, but charges architects lots of money.

Richmond.

On 4.05.2016 20:14, Robert Mann wrote:

Just a precision though :

In a former, not so old, enormous thread dealing with the FOSS license and
trying to understand what it meant in practice, one of the conclusion was
that *only Livecode can dual license*. Nobody else can do that. And Kevin
Miller really pushed hard on that point.





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Re: LiveCode 6.7 and 7.1 end of live [was: Release 8.0.0]

Be happy; over at Richmond's place those releases will live on for an 
extended time;
especially the last release of version 7 as it offers the perfect 
teaching interface without the

"distractions" of what version 8 offers.

I hope, however "end of life" version 7 is the ability to download it 
will not suddenly vanish from the website.


Richmond.

On 4.05.2016 18:18, Peter TB Brett wrote:

On 04/05/2016 16:11, James Hale wrote:
Hmm, does this mean that LC6 and LC7 are now eol. (Apart from bug 
fixes or will these also cease)?


Hi James,

Both LiveCode 6 and LiveCode 7 are EOL.  They have both already been 
in bugfix-only development since the 7.1.0 release.


We recently conducted some market research to determine the demand for 
an extended-support period for LiveCode 6.7, and the results showed 
that it just wouldn't be commercially viable.


Best regards,

Peter




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Re: livecode.org [was: Release 8.0.0]


Whacko!

Richmond.

On 4.05.2016 18:07, Peter TB Brett wrote:



On 04/05/2016 15:28, jameshale wrote:

Great news!

Congrats to the team, well done.

But as Colombo would say, there's just one more thing.

Looking at the pricing page on the website you need to scroll to the 
bottom

to see the open source version.
Really there should be three columns, GPL (or Community), Indy, Business
With the features and benefits (and omissions) also listed to include 
GPL

(or Community).

I supported the kickstarter because of open source.
I believe it should be there as an equally viable option at the same 
level

as the paid for licenses, not hidden at the bottom of the page.
I am proud LC went open source, I would like LC to show they are 
proud too.


As it happens, we now have a whole new website for LiveCode's Open 
Source edition:


http://livecode.org/

 Peter




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Re: Community PDF Project (was Revenue and the Open Source edition)

I would suppose the ideal thing would be both something that allows one 
to render a PDF document,
and extract all or part of an embedded text layer (if one exists in the 
original PDF).

Richmond.

On 4.05.2016 17:22, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Tim Bleiler wrote:

> The Livecode PDF viewer is an example of something that might do
> well as a separate option.

It might.

It would be helpful if more folks read the specs for the PDF external 
LiveCode is including with their Business Edition.  It's very 
specialized, with extensive features for getting and setting 
selections far beyond the needs of most projects.

What I'm hearing from most Indy and Community devs is that they merely 
want to render a PDF within LiveCode.

Given the PDFium library available for that, and that LiveCode Builder 
supports binary APIs such as those in that library, if this is a 
lucrative opportunity it would seem worth pursuing for those who want it.

The developer could sell it as proprietary, or even dual-license it 
with a GPL version.

Anyone sufficiently convinced of the business opportunity here to take 
this on?

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Re: [ANN] Release 8.0.0


Congratulations.

Richmond.

On 4.05.2016 17:12, Peter TB Brett wrote:

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0.0, the first 
stable release of LiveCode 8.


Read more about LiveCode 8 here:
https://livecode.com/introducing-livecode-8/

Getting the Release
===
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or 
via the automatic updater.


Release Contents

LiveCode 8 has a host of exciting new features.

Simplify design with widgets

The LiveCode engine now supports custom controls called "widgets", and 
LiveCode now includes several widgets that simplify creating mobile apps.


Extend LiveCode with LiveCode Builder
-
Enhance LiveCode with your own new controls and libraries without any 
C or C++ knowledge by using the new LiveCode Builder programming 
language.


Deploy to the browser with HTML5

LiveCode standalones now run in a web browser, using a LiveCode engine 
that runs as JavaScript.


The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_0_0/LiveCodeNotes-8_0_0.pdf

LiveCode 8.0.0 contains an additional 27 bug fixes since the LiveCode 
8.0.0 RC 1 release.


Known issues

* HTML5 standalones do not currently work when they contain extensions 
with dependencies


* 64-bit standalones for Mac OS X do not have support for audio 
recording or the revVideoGrabber external


Feedback


Please report any bugs encountered on our Bugzilla at 
http://quality.livecode.com/


We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!

The LiveCode Team

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Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition


To this I would just like to point out that in my "other" email I have been
offered the chance to PAY Livecode to fix THEIR bugs:

https://livecode.com/services/priority-bug-fixes/

That seems a bit odd.

Richmond.

On 4.05.2016 09:53, Terence Heaford wrote:

It seems to me as a “community” user that there is no community.

There only appears to be those that want to pay, those that can’t afford to pay 
and those that don’t want to pay for ideological reasons.

I, personally do not feel part of a community.

When I read the discussions (not just this thread) the majority seem to revolve 
around how to monetise the “community” for the benefit of LC and how can we 
convert a “community” user to a paid user.

It seems to me that there are a number of people who subscribe to this mailing 
list who want to own the product (rather than rent) and that is understandable 
(I am probably one of those).

But, to put it quite simply, I cannot afford it, it is to expensive for me ( a 
loss for me and a loss for live code).

If I were to produce a fantastic product that I thought would be useful to a 
great many people, I may want to give it away for free but under the present 
arrangement I would not

bother because I would not want to give away my coding effort.

Could probably go on forever but I think that’s enough.

The end of my 2 pence worth.


All the best

Terry





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Re: drawing tools in LC 8


Quite honestly I don't think they have been touched for donkey's ages,
and they are not much use as they are at present.

Richmond.

On 3.05.2016 20:51, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

I’m looking forward to a small coloring/drawing module for our big app.  Little 
hacking today:

Today I tried clicking on the pen tool and drawing.. It auto created an object 
that takes up the entire card and not just where I drew. So I created an image 
object first, then tried the tools. Pen tool works.

Then I switched to the brush tool and started to brush.. .nothing happened, but 
when I used the bucket tool the image filled with color.   Then I switched to 
the eraser nothing happened. Switch back to pen tool, oops the tools palette is 
stuck on the brush…I have to click the pointer tool once, browse tool and back 
again.. .now I can click the pen again,, brush, eraser and spray do not work.

OK, it has been literally years since I touched these tools  am I doing 
something wrong ?or are these seriously messed up in the IDE on Mac?

Can you test/confirm/deny on your machine?

  If so I will report as a bug.

BR

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Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

From a purely selfish point of view (what, me, surely not?) I stated I 
wanted to PAY for something
PERMANENT because I develop ONLY for desktop (and possibly HTML%) 
deployment.


This is where we might need to discuss the sort of folowing scenario:

1. Permanent version that deploys standalones only for desktops (and 
HTML5 ?).


2. "Rentable" version that deploys standalones only to tablets (iOS, 
Android).


3. All-singing-all-dancing version at a high price (and there's room for 
a rent/buy fight there).


"a software tool which is maintained and upgraded regularly, even if 
that means that i have to pay for it."


If there were a reasonable price for a permanent version, and upgrades 
were then offered at, let's say, 20% of the price
of the permanent version to those who ALREADY HAD PURCHASED the 
permanent version . . . ?


Then the end-user can decide whether the new features enabled in an 
upgrade are worth upgrading to

or not just yet.

This is a model used by very many software vendors.

 Richmond.

On 3.05.2016 10:56, Matthias Rebbe wrote:

I am stuck between a rock and a hard place.

On one hand i would prefer a pay once use for ever license model.
On the other i want a software tool which is maintained  and upgraded 
regularly, even if that means that i have to pay for it.

I remember discussions when the old “pay once use that version forever, but you 
can pay for updates” license model were active.
The people were moaning that the tool they just  had purchased some months or 
weeks ago, was upgraded and the upgrade was not free.
I remember discussions about the price for the yearly upgrade fee of Revolution 
standard and Enterprise.

Regarding the discussion about the possibility to deploy to iOS for 
semi-professionals and hobbyists:
With the current situation how often xCode is upgraded and how often therefore 
Livecode needs to be fixed to work again with that xCode version, i really do not 
see any advantage for such a "pay once use forever” license without having the 
opportunity  to subscribe to a software maintenance plan.
But even with such an option to subscribe to such a plan, the discussion starts 
over and over again as soon as  an xCode version is released which is not 
working with older “not upgraded” LC versions.


Matthias




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Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition




On 3.05.2016 00:50, Monte Goulding wrote:

One thing that nobody seems to have pointed out is the current price is not $999. 
As Peter commented (and a number of people seem to have read in a snippy tone 
unfortunately) the price rises have been and continue to be well telegraphed with 
the opportunity to lock in the current price. Regardless of that though I do tend 
to agree that those with turnover of under $2 or so (and not really likely to 
expand that) looking at > 5% of that going as an expense on development 
platform would struggle to justify it. In those cases they would either need to 
look at other platforms or determine if they can obtain equivalent revenue by 
changing their business model to use the GPL version. How LiveCode capture the 
$200 per year or so those users might have on offer without sacrificing revenue 
from those with higher turnover is something I'm sure is under consideration. Note 
that I'm not really including those that have a reasonable prospect of revenue 
growth because they can probably tap in

to public and private sources of startup support.

That presupposes that the time one is offered to "lock" is convenient for
the developer and that she has the money to do that at that point.

And "public and private sources of startup support" is a very 
USA-Western European-centric view of things.
For the sake of argument, if one were to mention that phrase to someone 
living in the Dominican Republic,
Brazil or Bulgaria (Now why would I pick those 3 countries, I wonder?) 
they might look at you fairly blankly.


"Private joke" for Andre: Hey, let's phone up Dilma Rousseff and ask her 
for a quick $2,000 to fund our startup.


Richmond.



Cheers

Monte

Sent from my iPhone


On 3 May 2016, at 1:40 AM, RM <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:

With the exception of the PDF reader (as you pointed out) for development 
purposes there is no real difference between Livecode versions
(and I am aware that you are pushing for further differentiation, and I 
understand your rationale), so paying $999 for a year for something whose
single difference fron the FREE version is the ability to protect ones' code 
really does not seem justifiable.


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Re: [OT] Atkinson Interview, Pt 2




On 3.05.2016 05:48, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

I like that Atkinson revealed he got the idea for HyperCard
while dropping LSD.
Thirty years later we're still using a descendant of that idea.
Are we experiencing a perpetual flashback?

Nah, Flash is something else!

Flash is somewhere between PCP and sniffing glue, and too much peer
pressure.


Thank goodness Livecode does not play hell with one's
nasal membranes.

R.


Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: [OT] Atkinson Interview, Pt 2


Aah, maybe that's why I have so much creative block : I don't drop LSD.

Maybe they could add LSD tablets to the Commercial version of Livecode
as an extra incentive . . .

Richmond.

On 3.05.2016 00:58, Jim Lambert wrote:

I like that Atkinson revealed he got the idea for HyperCard while dropping LSD.
Thirty years later we’re still using a descendant of that idea.
Are we experiencing a perpetual flashback?

Nah, Flash is something else!

Jim Lambert
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Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition