Re: I seem to have missed something

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

James, I think it means :

> On 26 Jul 2024, at 07:53, James Hale via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> OR does a “seat” mean anyone using the app created by LC?

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Re: Livecode Future

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Hi Jeff,

When I was working my use cases would have run into similar issues as you 
describe.  Most of my applications were short lived and were used by either 
defence contractors or the military themselves.  If I had ever tried to supply 
any application that "phoned home" I would have been asked to leave and never 
darken their door again.  

I suspect that if I used Livecode Create today I would end up having to prove 
that it was not contacting any remote servers so much so that I doubt that even 
being accepted as a "special case" by RunRev would cut it with the military 
security services.

Even if the application were allowed then the licensing is complex, for example 
I was once paid to support the Ten Tors race by designing and writing a 
database front end to a PostGre database of competitors which was designed to 
track team members during the two day event.  The event is run by the UK Army 
and the competitors are all teenagers i.e. children. 

The event is managed from an army camp on Dartmoor where there is no internet.  
The database front end was installed on something like fifteen computers 
situated in departments dotted around the camp such as transport and the 
medical centre.  Each department had personal accessing the database as and 
when they needed to.These people were working shifts over the time of the 
event.  Each department tended to use a single login so I have no idea how the 
number of users could be tracked.   Also the security and privacy issues were 
massive and there is no way that software that contacted or attempted to 
contact the cloud would have be allowed.  

While I'm sure Livecode will say contact us and we will sort something out, the 
fact is that having to do so just adds additional levels of complexity, 
friction and cost.  I have read and reread the licensing terms along with the 
updated FAQs but I still have no idea how the example above would have been 
charged if written in LC Create today.  For example my application used a 
database library, written in Livecode Script and licensed from Andrea Garcia.  
Does the use of third party libraries cause additional licensing issues?

Like you I think now is time to find other hobbies; the Proxxon range of mini 
tools are interesting and don't have the same licensing issues.

best wishes

Simon

> On 24 Jul 2024, at 21:04, Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve used Livecode since the early days of MetaCard, primarily creating 
> educational software, educational multimedia cds included with kids books and 
> a ton of museum exhibits. For me the new create system and licensing looks 
> pretty untenable, but I realize I’m the odd duck.
> 
> The bulk of my time on these projects was actually content design and 
> presentation as well as interface design and functionality. Programming time 
> in live code was a small fraction of the build costs so savings for me for a 
> more rapid development environment is minimal and would bring in minimal, if 
> any increased profits. I’m not churning out an app a week, these are much 
> more robust content driven programs where dealing with the nuances of content 
> presentation is the 800lb gorilla and requires lots of small program tweaks 
> as that design is refined during development to get it just right. Each 
> interface is custom and art rich so auto interface builds adds no savings, 
> probably only hassles keeping it out of things.
> 
> Being educational also means super slim margins all around. Asking a royalty 
> payment for just the software system licensing would be a no go with authors 
> and publishers. If they did, they would say ok we just take that out of your 
> end then and that would wipe out any profits for me as it would not really 
> add anything much to my productivity.
> 
> I have no idea of how this new license would work for my exhibit programs as 
> well. Some are presentation systems that are used by a varying number of 
> presenters at the institutions, some employees, some volunteers (is a 
> volunteer a seat?). On the floor the app is used by tens of thousands of 
> visitors. I also usually write a bunch of small apps for myself, the client, 
> and the production team to help manage content development and organization 
> on the project as well as migrate and format the content to go into the 
> presentation/exhibit app. These apps are used very sporadically and sometimes 
> by a number of people, sometimes only a few. All these organizations are 
> usually paid admission, but are non profits.
> 
> Most of my really hard core programming I doubt would be helped by the new 
> system as that is usually controlling all sorts of devices thru different 
> interfaces and talking to other computer systems to coordinate a show. The 
> drivers and programming for this is usually a total dive i

Re: Livecode Future

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

One feature of the present commercial licensing is that I decide the terms and 
conditions that apply to any application I build.   What happens under the new 
licensing if I build an application either for sale or for a client and then 
some time in the future the application is duplicated, distributed and used 
without my permission or even knowledge?  Does RunRev chase me, the purchaser 
or both of us for breach of their license conditions?

best wishes

Simon


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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Hi Matthias,

Thank you for your offer. 

I've conducted some more testing and it seems that the issue I am seeing may 
not be isolated to just Ventura.  Unfortunately not having a copy makes it 
difficult to report on what is occuring, so I will just describe what I see in 
Livecode 9.6.8 running on Big Sur.

Before starting I remove Livecode from both Contacts and Calendar in the 
Privacy Pane using two calls to tccutils.  With the library file installed and 
my stack file open in livecode I make the request for Calendar data.  The 
system should present two dialog boxes requesting permission to access first 
Contacts then Calendar.  When run in the IDE only one gets presented followed 
by a second stating that access to Calendar data is denied.  This should mean 
that Livecode is listed in the Privacy Pane but it is not.  This issue may be 
slightly different to what was being reported to me about Ventura.

I have raised a rambling bug report 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24054 
<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24054> and all the files are 
attached to this report.  For tests in the IDE I suggest the version of the 
stack dated 24th dec 2022 and version 1.1.54 of the library.  The built 
versions use a slightly earlier version of the stack file but the differences 
are minor.

Link to the form thread : https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=37540 
<https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=37540>  beware that the URLs 
to Dropbox do work but Dropbox mangles the zips.  It is better to get the files 
via the bug report.

Simon




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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Richmond62 is using : ProductName: macOS, ProductVersion: 13.2, 
ProductVersionExtra: (a)
Stam is using : ProductName: macOS, ProductVersion: 13.0.1, BuildVersion: 22A400

Details from a log file that Richmond62 and Stam reported in the Forum thread.  
If I understand what Richmond has written in the thread Livecode was listed in 
the Privacy Pane and was enabled but my library reported "denied".  Stam's 
Livecode is not listed and never requests access.

I'm going the thread here : 
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=37540=30

> On 22 Dec 2022, at 17:00, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> What version LC? There was a version that was exhibiting this behavior, but 
> it was fixed. This may be a regression.

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Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Well I've had issues with Ventura and how Livecode requests permission for 
access to Contacts and Calendar data.  Unfortunately I don't have Ventura so 
all this is second hand but hints that there are issues with how the Privacy 
Pane works.  For example a stack running in the IDE and using a library that 
requires access to Calendar fails to request permission yet the compiled 
application does.
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Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 209, Issue 10

[Simon Schvartzman via use-livecode]

Great idea 

Simon Schvartzman
+ 55 11 98432 6293

Sent from my mobile device. 

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>   1. Re: No visual effects on Big Sur? (Marty Knapp)
>   2. Re: No visual effects on Big Sur?
>  (proth...@earthlearningsolutions.org)
>   3. Re: No visual effects on Big Sur? (Sean Cole (Pi))
>   4. Re: No visual effects on Big Sur? (ha...@exformedia.se)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 10:03:58 -0800
> From: Marty Knapp 
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Subject: Re: No visual effects on Big Sur?
> Message-ID: <08c57667-6e12-47fa-a30e-1e43f6fac...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
> 
> Just did a quick test on an LC app that uses visual effects and they are not 
> working for me on Big Sur.
> 
> Marty
> 
>> On Feb 5, 2021, at 10:55 PM, H?kan Liljegren via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Running LC 9.6.2 (rc2) on macOS Big Sur I have no visual effects that work. 
>> None! Is there anyone else having the same experience, or is it just my 
>> setup? I have tried to wipe every RunRev/LiveCode file in the Library and in 
>> the applications folder and then reinstall but still no luck. Also tried 
>> older (stable versions) with no luck, but that was before wiping every file 
>> out of existence.
>> 
>> Can anyone else running Big Sur confirm before I file a bug-report?
>> 
>> :-H?kan
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 10:16:43 -0800
> From: "proth...@earthlearningsolutions.org"
>
> To: JJS via use-livecode 
> Subject: Re: No visual effects on Big Sur?
> Message-ID:
><903d6452-7ac0-4262-9f0d-56d9f866b...@earthlearningsolutions.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
> 
> Hakan:
> I get the same thing. Big Sur, livecode version LC 9.6.2 (rc2). It was 
> working on previous versions.
> 
> Yes, please file a bug report.
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On Feb 5, 2021, at 10:55 PM, H?kan Liljegren via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Running LC 9.6.2 (rc2) on macOS Big Sur I have no visual effects that work. 
>> None! Is there anyone else having the same experience, or is it just my 
>> setup? I have tried to wipe every RunRev/LiveCode file in the Library and in 
>> the applications folder and then reinstall but still no luck. Also tried 
>> older (stable versions) with no luck, but that was before wiping every file 
>> out of existence.
>> 
>> Can anyone else running Big Sur confirm before I file a bug-report?
>> 
>> :-H?kan
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> From: "Sean Cole (Pi)" 
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Subject: Re: No visual effects on Big Sur?
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Hi all,
> I just tested here in BigSur 11.2 and they work fine in both the IDE and
> standalone. The only ones that do not work are the core image transitions
> (with the exception of dissolve which, although having the same name, does
> not appear to use the CI version of the effect).
> 
> I made a simple default stack with one button with this code:
> 
> on mouseUp pButtonNumber
>   lock screen for 

Re: Progressive Web App (PWA)

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

Progressive web apps are just websites, with a manifest file (JSON based
text file that contains additional settings, like links to the "apps"
homepage icon). Any website can be made into a PWA regardless of the
technology used to create it.

PWA can make use of Javascript-based service workers that can help give
that native feel, e.g. for caching, data storage and offline support. Sadly
though on iOS, PWA's are yet to support push notifications.

You access the URL of the PWA and get prompted to add the app to the home
screen. From there, when the app is launched, it is displayed fullscreen,
how the app now functions depends purely on how you have coded the app.

There tends to be a lot of focus on creating single-page based apps for
mobile (e.g using vue, angular, react etc) to get that "native" app
experience - but personally I prefer multipage apps and only using
javascript when needed. Depending on what you are doing, performance often
exceeds that of the "native" app approach.


On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 3:45 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The answer is EITHER:
>
> Use LiveCode SERVER to generate the HTML5 and CCS for the app and layer
> your own Javascript into it [Much more work, but you can deliver exactly
> the front end you want - you have to keep track fo what HTML, CSS, and
> Javascript you use is standards-compliant)
> OR
> Use LievCode HTML to deploy your stacks/App as an HTML/CSS/Javascript
> app.(lLess work, but you are limited to what the HTML builder for
> LiveCode can produce [mostly, I think there is someone on this list who
> has posted many example of extending the generated web app with
> supplemental javascript])
>
> However, in my opinion "intended to work on any platform that uses a
> standards-compliant browser." (from the definition of WPA) is marketing
> bullsh*t. I find way too many things that are *supposed* to work across
> all browsers that do not.
>
>
>
> On 2/18/2020 8:42 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote:
> > Does anyone have a reply to Ingar’s original question?
> >
> >
> >> On Feb 18, 2020, at 6:16 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Aren't all discussions political? ;-)
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2020, at 13:33 , doc hawk via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2020, at 5:15 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>  "A progressive web application is a type of application software
> delivered through the web, built using common web technologies including
> HTML, CSS and JavaScript. It is intended to work on any platform that uses
> a standards-compliant browser.”
> >>>
> >>> And foolish me thought we were going to have a political discussion .
> . .
> >>>
> >>> :)
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Re: $1,000 Bounty For LiveCode Bug 20240

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

I had a look to see if I could reproduce this bug, I could not but I found 
another :

May be related to "Bug 20240 - Selecting Text With A Click and Drag of the 
Mouse in the Script Editor Does Not Always Select a Contiguous Block of Text"

I have just tried to reproduce the bug reported in report 20240 and failed.  
However, I found a problem that is repeatable and may be related:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22195 
<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22195>

1.  Select a block of text in the IDE.
2.  Drag down to new location and drop : the text is moved.
3.  Go to edit menu and click 'undo' :  the dragged text is deleted - ouch!

I would expect the undo command to restore the text to its original location.

I am unclear as to the status of 20240 as it is marked as resolved yet there is 
discussion about it on the groups along with a bounty.


It may help the investigation into 20240,

Simon

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> On 18 Jun 2019, at 16:47, dsc--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Whoops. That is a couple years old. I need to get my coffee.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:41 AM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> A hint for bounty hunters:
>> It seems to me I have seen this outside of LiveCode. Perhaps the bug is a 
>> common one.
>> I'm on a Mac.
>> 
>> I don't trust my memory; YMMD.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2017, at 5:38 PM, RunRevPlanet via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Over at LiveCode Quality Control Centre (QCC) there is a Bug 20240 has been 
>>> a
>>> problem for me lately. 
>>> 
>>> I understand that a significant effort has been put into finding a fix over 
>>> the
>>> past years, but without success. The problem behaviour has been reported 
>>> before,
>>> my report is simply the latest one. And since it cannot be reproduced on 
>>> demand
>>> it is a tough one to solve.
>>> 
>>> There is a video of it at QCC at that shows what happens, if you have not 
>>> come
>>> across it yourself.
>>> 
>>> To encourage more eyes to look at the code, I have put up a bounty of 
>>> $1,000AUD
>>> to the individual who resolves the problem with a fix.
>>> 
>>> More details are in the bug report here:
>>> 
>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20240
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions about the bug, or the bounty, I can answer them 
>>> here.
>>> 
>>> Note it is only Australian dollars, but depending on the exchange rate, or 
>>> where
>>> you live that might be a bonus?
>>> 
>>> Good luck! And I really hope to be able to reward someone with this money!
>>> --
>>> Scott McDonald
>>> http://thelivecodelab.com/
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Re: A question about openCard

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

"Is there some simple way that an openCard handler can branch based on what 
card it is coming from?"

My solution would be to give each card a customprop named say “uCalledBy".  
Then when the app changes cards I set this prop e.g.

Set the uCalledBy of Card 42 to “HitchHikers”
Go to Card 42

Then in Card 42 ’s  opencard or anywhere else 

If the uCalledBy of me is “HitchHikers” then
   answer “Where is your towel?”
end if



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Re: Ken Burns Effects - acceleratedRendering

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

I have only just resubscribed to the mailing list so may have missed some 
conversations on this subject, so I apologise for hijacking this thread.  

I am interested in this new to me layer mode of “container” being discussed 
here.  I see that it is also mentioned in “This week in Livecode” : Issue 
#179 here: http://bit.ly/2W8LU5x <http://bit.ly/2W8LU5x> . I did a google 
search for more information and found this page : 
https://livecode.com/container-layer-mode-examples/ 
<https://livecode.com/container-layer-mode-examples/>  which google reports as 
from 2017 but that may be in error.

I wonder if the web page I found refer to the same mode as is being discussed 
in this thread and are the details on the page correct?

best wishes 
Simon Knight





> On 31 May 2019, at 03:17, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Monte Goulding wrote:
> 
>At some point in the future we may support applying transformations to 
> dynamic layerMode objects (changing size and perhaps location) which would 
> mean Ken Burn effect would be done by the GPU. I suspect that’s a fair way 
> off and would definitely involve some serious Mark time ;-)
> 
> BR: that answers the question. So I'll need to learn on new language (html5) 
> and run it in a browser. :-(
> 
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Re: Format text data records for processing in Livecode

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Some interesting ideas although I’m not sure why a changing separator is 
useful.  I generally attempt to stick with TSV but it won’t work in this case 
unless I parse the data to remove the tabs from the text, however I may well 
try this.  At the moment I’m trying to use a simple tagging system.  The 
AppleScript that creates the data looks like this:

-- build the data in a useful form to be read by Livecode
set tNewRec to "" & return
set tNewRec to tNewRec & "" & "Sent : " & tDateSent & 
"" & return
set tNewRec to tNewRec & "" & "From : " & tSender & 
"" & return
set tNewRec to tNewRec & "" & "To : " & tAddresseeList & 
"" & return
set tNewRec to tNewRec & "" & "Subject : " & tSubject & 
"" & return
set tNewRec to tNewRec & "" & "Content : " & tContent & 
"" & return
set tNewRec to tNewRec & "" & return

The final version will probably not add the closing tags as they seem 
unnecessary.  I have two routines that extract the fields and put them into an 
array, these make use of itemdelimiter.  It all works but the leading REC and 
FLD tags have to be ignored otherwise blank records and fields are processed.  
I think that replacing tabs and line returns in the source data and then saving 
as TSV will be simpler.

best wishes

Simon





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Format text data records for processing in Livecode

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Hi,

I have written an Applescript that reads the headers and contents of selected 
emails in Apple Mail.  I am trying to decide to simplest method of importing 
this data into Livecode to allow it to be sorted and formatted etc.  Each email 
is a record with a number of fields the largest field is the contents of the 
email and this may contain quotes, tabs and other characters.  I aim to do the 
minimum in Applecript so I don’t wish to process the data but I can use any 
output format that I devise.

A record contains the following fields : DateSent; From; To; Subject and Content


Any ideas on a simple methodology of how to format the data so that it is 
simple to process using Livecode’s chunk expressions?

best wishes

Simon

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Livecode Dictionary

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Hi all,

I have just read about two “issues” and both would be resolved or at least 
helped with a more detailed dictionary entry.  Now in the dim distant past the 
RunRev dictionary use to allow humble users to add comments and examples which 
I for one found useful.  Does anyone know why this useful feature was removed?  
Security ?



Simon Knight





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Re: Refactoring is your friend / moving from 6.x to 9.x

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

> On 7 Jan 2019, at 17:00, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps the biggest flaw I've seen with v9 is the bug report tracking: the 
> Release Notes only include a subset of all issues addressed since work began 
> on it two years ago.  My understanding from conversations with team members 
> is that v9 may well have the largest number of resolved bugs of any release, 
> an amazing feat considering the scope of new features and feature 
> refinements, including huge strides forward with many aspects of performance.

I suspect that this is a fact of life especially in small teams.  My limited 
experience is that people who write code generally hate writing paperwork as 
they want to get on and complete the next task and not create documentation 
about the last.  Not forgetting that a lot of the paperwork generated by the 
big players is just shelf ware and no use to anyone except the manager who 
demanded it.

best wishes

Simon
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Re: Refactoring is your friend / moving from 6.x to 9.x

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

> On 7 Jan 2019, at 08:16, Kay C Lan via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> And a spookily well timed questions; it's as if the late great Bill
> Marriot hearkens from the grave.  Bill was responsible for the focus
> that took a very flakey Revolution, create the RQCC and develop what
> is clearly a much more effective process for reporting, processing,
> tracking and ultimately eliminating Bugs.  For those who were there
> before Bill can attest, the Team these days does an extraordinary job
> of Bug reduction.  Not perfect but a lot lot better than before the
> RQCC.

I don’t think that I am acting as a relay from the other side… 

but I do agree that the team does an extraordinary job of bug reduction while 
adding features and keeping on top of all the changes to the list of OS’s that 
livecode runs on.

Simon Knight

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Re: Refactoring is your friend / moving from 6.x to 9.x

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Richard,

Your are correct but Malte did ask ask about general refactoring (i think)  so 
I just mentioned my latest problem / finding.  As to the PDF “feature” itsself 
I think its now up to Edinburgh to decide what to do; I doubt that they 
intended to have Adobe menus and button bars popping up in their RevBrowser.

As to what members of this list can do the answer is to keep offering friendly 
help!  

best wishes

Simon Knight





> On 6 Jan 2019, at 17:27, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I didn't see Malte's mention of PDF in the post that began this thread, but 
> topic drift is a natural part of conversation so no worries.

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Re: Refactoring is your friend / moving from 6.x to 9.x

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

This thread seems to have diverted away from Malte’s original post.

For Malte and others I have found that the revBrowser control is slower to 
render PDFs and may insert unwanted menus and button thanks to Adobe in version 
9.02.
See  <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21776 
<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21776>>

One question why does this thread refer to RQCC ?

best wishes

Simon





> On 30 Dec 2018, at 19:33, Malte Pfaff-Brill via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did anybody of you happen to refactor old code and if so, do you have any 
> observations you might want to share?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Malte

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Re: LC 9.02 Problems when displaying local PDF in stack

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Excellent advice Tore - many thanks.

I reinstalled Adobe Acrobat Reader DC and confirmed that my app PDFreader was 
now displaying PDFs when run in LC 9.02 and that a second selection of a PDF 
caused the Adobe related menus and button bar to be displayed i.e. back to my 
starting point.

Next I ran the Adobe Cleaner App which I downloaded from the Adobe web site.  
Thus ran and reported that the Reader had been removed.  I checked the log file 
and it contained a very long list of files so this removal app is necessary.

Then I ran my app PDFrename and confirmed that it could display PDFs and 
continue to do so once the PDFs are renamed and moved all without any Adobe 
clutter.  All this works but the display of PDFs is slower without Adobe Reader 
installed and slower than with earlier versions of LC.  Unfortunately this 
slowness now occurs in the older versions so may be OS related.  It could be 
that in the past I had an older version of Adobe Reader installed that did not 
force menus to be displayed and ran faster than the native OS.

So this is a problem partially solved.  The true problem is that we can produce 
applications that use the revBrowser control which may have a UI that varies 
significantly depending on what the end user has installed on his computer.  I 
think this is undesirable.

Thanks again,
best wishes
Simon Knight


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Re: LC 9.02 Problems when displaying local PDF in stack

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Hi Tore,

I have spent a couple of hours hunting down Adobe Reader related  files 
scattered about in my computers Library folder and others but to no avail.  I 
suspect that the root cause is the newish Adobe Acrobat Reader DC which I 
briefly tried while attempting to solve an unrelated problem with a PDF file.  
This was the app that was inserting its self into my apps revBrowser control,  
I have removed Acrobat Reader DC and downloaded the Adobe cleaner app but my 
instance of revBrowser still requests that I locate Adobe Acrobat and fails to 
display the local PDF file.  I have also experimented with the Browser widget 
and get the same result when running LC 9.02.

So it seems that having removed Adobe Acrobat Reader DC that my code is unable 
to display PDFs in either a RevBrowser or a Browser Widget when running in 
LC9.02.  I also suspect there is a subtle buffering problem when running the 
same code in LC 8 and earlier as the app stops displaying PDFs after a source 
file is moved; I am still experimenting to see if I can determine exactly what 
is causing the problem.
 
Regards
Simon Knight


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LC 9.02 Problems when displaying local PDF in stack

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Hi all,

Not sure if this is the done thing but I have started a thread on the forum 
describing how an Application I have written to rename PDFs is now failing in 
LC 9.02.  it has the title of "
Board index <https://forums.livecode.com/index.php>Intermediate 
<https://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=39>Talking LiveCode 
<https://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=9> <>RevBrowser Now displays PDFs 
with Adobe Clutter <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=31998>
“ and may be found here:

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=31998=175028#p175028 
<https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9=31998=175028#p175028>

I have also raised a bug report and wonder if anyone has seen similar

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21776 
<https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21776>



Simon Knight





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Re: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls

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Hi Stephen,

Why lose the quotes, the texts are literals and not variables.

Simon

> On 25 Jul 2018, at 21:41, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> ose the quotes inside the brackets??
> 
> sqb
> 
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Re: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls

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Bob,

The reason I went for the array rather than a naming convention such as you 
suggest is because I have no idea how Livecode resolves the names.  I have an 
impression that it looks at the stack and works its way up through the images 
in ID order.  The upshot is that a button in a copy of the first group may well 
be using images from other groups.

I tried all sorts of syntax along the lines of image “ImgPlusButton” of this 
group but any attempts to specify the location were rejected.  My code 
associates the local image of the required name that is within the group 
container with its ID number which is allocated when the group is created.  I 
believe that the stack wide naming/ID list is also where Bernd’s code fails; 
images are indeed found but there is no guarantee that they are the images that 
are members of the group or as in one of my tests even on the same stack.

best wishes

Simon

> On 25 Jul 2018, at 22:47, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> About saving images: I learned a long time ago, both with graphics and 
> publications development, as well as software development, to have copies of 
> resources in a subfolder of a main project folder. This has a couple 
> advantages: First of all, graphics applications can often auto-resolve 
> references if you do that. Second, in case you want to skin your app, you can 
> keep sets of graphics in other folders, then do a simple folder rename kabuke 
> dance and voila! You just reskinned your app! 
> 
> As far as the technique of grouping buttons with their image objects (I hide 
> my image objects and put them behind the button they belong to) and then 
> grouping all the control groups as one, this is a great method, and allows 
> you to programmatically dynamically update the controls as needed. 
> 
> Finally, as I mentioned, naming the images and buttons so that knowing the 
> button name makes the image name predictable eliminates the need to store 
> everything in an array for access later, although I'm sure that is a workable 
> solution as well. 
> 
> I have no problem having multiple copies of an image in my application, at 
> least for MacOS and Windows apps. They shouldn't take up too much space if 
> designed right, and the convenience of keeping the images with the buttons 
> that need them ensures my forms will ALWAYS display correctly. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 13:20 , Simon Knight via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>> The problem with this storage solution is that my custom control has
>>>> components stored in different locations and they may well become
>>>> separated sometime in the future.
>>>> Initially, I searched the Livecode forum and found a thread where the
>>>> prospect of better encapsulation of custom controls was discussed and Mark
>>>> W. wrote that he was thinking  about it.  This was a few years ago when
>>>> version 6 was current and I wondered if any features have been added to
>>>> Livecode to enable fully encapsulated custom controls to be written.  I
>>>> realise that one answer might be “write a widget” but I don’t really want
>>>> to take time learning a new language and process in an attempt to recreate
>>>> a control that I already have.
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Re: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Hi Bernd,

Unfortunately when I tried your code the copies referred back to the original.

best wishes

Simon
> On 25 Jul 2018, at 13:22, BNig via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> I think the easiest way would be to copy the images your custom control uses
> to the custom controls. 
> then add this code to the group (it is for one button "bOne" and two images
> "greenRound" and "redQMark"
> 
> on newGroup
>   resolve image "redQMark" relative to button "bOne" of me
>   if it is not empty then 
>  set the hilitedIcon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
>   end if
>   resolve image "greenRound" relative to button "bOne" of me
>   if it is not empty then 
>  set the icon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
>   end if
> end newGroup
> 
> "NewGroup" is a message that the custom control gets when you paste it.
> That way the custom control is self contained and when you paste it into a
> new stack it will assign the ids of the images to your buttons.
> 
> Kind regards
> Bernd
> 
> That way they are contained in your custom control and the custom control
> can be self contained, i.e. can be reused in a different stack.
> 
> 
> Simon Knight via use-livecode wrote
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> Thank you for your replies.  I apologise for my question, I should have
>> been clearer.  However, I have copied your response to my “hints and tips”
>> document for reference in the future as it seems like a useful workflow to
>> know.
>> 
>> To clarify my question; I have created a simple custom control that uses
>> two list fields and some buttons.  I will probably want to use the control
>> in the future so I am seeking a method of saving the control ready to be
>> used in the future.  At the moment the png images, I use to "skin" the
>> buttons, are stored on a card on a sub-stack named assets.  I do this
>> because I am following some advice that Trevor Devore gave in a video some
>> years ago and I know no better.  
>> 
>> The problem with this storage solution is that my custom control has
>> components stored in different locations and they may well become
>> separated sometime in the future.
>> Initially, I searched the Livecode forum and found a thread where the
>> prospect of better encapsulation of custom controls was discussed and Mark
>> W. wrote that he was thinking  about it.  This was a few years ago when
>> version 6 was current and I wondered if any features have been added to
>> Livecode to enable fully encapsulated custom controls to be written.  I
>> realise that one answer might be “write a widget” but I don’t really want
>> to take time learning a new language and process in an attempt to recreate
>> a control that I already have.
>> 
>> I had not thought of using a customProp to store images and in truth I did
>> not know it was an option so I will do some research and see what I can
>> learn.
>> 
>> Thanks again and best wishes
>> 
>> Simon
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Well I tried using custom props but did not get very far with them.  My 
solution is to add the image files to the group and hide them behind other 
controls.  I have added the attached handler that sets the button icons to the 
values of the images in the group.  The handler should be called when the 
original control is duplicated but.  

I used the array to ensure that the handler only finds images that are part of 
the group:

on newgroup
   -- set the icons for the buttons
  
   --build an array of refs to images in the group
   repeat with x=1 to the number of images of me
  put the ID of image x into tID
  put the short name of image x into tName
  put tID into ImageA[tName]
   end repeat
   
   --now set the icons
   set the icon of button "add" of me to ImageA["imgPlus"]
   set the icon of button "SortA" of me to ImageA["imgSort"]
   set the icon of button "Delete" of me to ImageA["imgBin"]
   
   set the icon of button "SortB" of me to ImageA["imgSort"]
   set the icon of button "Remove" of me to ImageA["imgLeftArrow"]
   set the icon of button "Use" of me to ImageA["imgLeftArrow"]   
end newgroup
> On 24 Jul 2018, at 23:36, scott--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> I see I probably misunderstood what you were trying to do. With a custom 
> control I might be tempted to store the images in a customProp if I wanted 
> multiple resolutions to travel with the group object. Then do something like 
> setting the imageData of the image.
> —
> Scott
> 
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>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Simon Knight via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there an elegant method of storing images for use by a custom control?  I 
>> have tried adding the images to the custom control group but the buttons in 
>> copies of the first group refer back to the first group so there is no 
>> advantage when compared to storing the images on a card or in a folder.
>> 
>> best wishes
>> 
>> Simon K.
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Re: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Hi Scott,

Thank you for your replies.  I apologise for my question, I should have been 
clearer.  However, I have copied your response to my “hints and tips” document 
for reference in the future as it seems like a useful workflow to know.

To clarify my question; I have created a simple custom control that uses two 
list fields and some buttons.  I will probably want to use the control in the 
future so I am seeking a method of saving the control ready to be used in the 
future.  At the moment the png images, I use to "skin" the buttons, are stored 
on a card on a sub-stack named assets.  I do this because I am following some 
advice that Trevor Devore gave in a video some years ago and I know no better.  

The problem with this storage solution is that my custom control has components 
stored in different locations and they may well become separated sometime in 
the future.
Initially, I searched the Livecode forum and found a thread where the prospect 
of better encapsulation of custom controls was discussed and Mark W. wrote that 
he was thinking  about it.  This was a few years ago when version 6 was current 
and I wondered if any features have been added to Livecode to enable fully 
encapsulated custom controls to be written.  I realise that one answer might be 
“write a widget” but I don’t really want to take time learning a new language 
and process in an attempt to recreate a control that I already have.

I had not thought of using a customProp to store images and in truth I did not 
know it was an option so I will do some research and see what I can learn.

Thanks again and best wishes

Simon
> On 24 Jul 2018, at 23:36, scott--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> I see I probably misunderstood what you were trying to do. With a custom 
> control I might be tempted to store the images in a customProp if I wanted 
> multiple resolutions to travel with the group object. Then do something like 
> setting the imageData of the image.
> —
> Scott
> 
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
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> email sc...@elementarysoftware.com
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> 
>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Simon Knight via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there an elegant method of storing images for use by a custom control?  I 
>> have tried adding the images to the custom control group but the buttons in 
>> copies of the first group refer back to the first group so there is no 
>> advantage when compared to storing the images on a card or in a folder.
>> 
>> best wishes
>> 
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Storing Images for use by Custom Controls

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Is there an elegant method of storing images for use by a custom control?  I 
have tried adding the images to the custom control group but the buttons in 
copies of the first group refer back to the first group so there is no 
advantage when compared to storing the images on a card or in a folder.

best wishes

Simon K.
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Re: WordPress REST API's

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

Hi Stephen

Depending on what you are wanting to do, the WordPress API also supports
Application Passwords (https://wordpress.org/plugins/application-passwords/)
Basic Authentication (https://github.com/WP-API/Basic-Auth) and JSON web
tokens (https://wordpress.org/plugins/jwt-authentication-for-wp-rest-api/)
which maybe a bit easier to work with - depending of course on your needs.

Simon


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On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:44 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> HI Todd,
>
> Thanks, I have it and am trying to use it.
>
> Looks like I need an oAuth plug-in for wordpress that allows user
> credentials as I am running a self hosted site.
>
> The one I’ve found so far that finally is giving me results is WP OAuth
> Server… but to get the user credentials, you need the paid version.
>
> Still wondering if this was in the LC Connect stuff that I contributed
> awhile back;)
>
> Best,
>
> Steve
>
> > On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:32 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hey. You can find it on github. DP use it for their work. So it
> worksI
> > was planning on using it on a project, but it fell through so I haven't
> > needed it yet.
> >
> > https://github.com/digitalpomegranate/livecode-wp-restapi
> >
> > This is a well written library.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 3:56 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Trying to get an update on the WordPress REST API’s… Was this coming in
> >> with LiveCode Connect? or something else?
> >>
> >> Also, does anyone have any experience successfully using Digital
> >> Pomegranates’s WPRestAPI? I am unsure of the authentication used and
> >> nothing seems to work.
> >>
> >> Any help is appreciated!
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Steve MacLean
> >>
> >>
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Re: How To Become Android Developer

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

Hi

I have it working with:

The Android SDK via https://dl.google.com/android/repository/tools_r25.2.3-
windows.zip
and using jdk-8u162-windows-x64.exe which can be downloaded from
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/java-archive-javase8-2177648.html

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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:42 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
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> On 5/29/18 3:36 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> BR,
>>
>> This works for me.
>>
>> For JDK:
>> JDK 1.8.0_121
>>
>
> I've got 1.8.0_152 which also works. I'd guess any 1.8 version would
> probably be okay. BR: I told you "8" but I should have said "1.8".
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Re: Livecode and Google Analytics?

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

Hi

You can take a look at Google Analytics Measurement Protocol (
https://developers.google.com/analytics/devguides/collection/protocol/v1/).

You should be able to track events via POST requests to google-analytics.com

Simon


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On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:19 AM, jbv via use-livecode <
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> Hi
> Have you tried to include in your app a browser object that would
> load web pages with the necessary GA js script ?
> I know it's a brute-force strategy and that it would probably slow
> down the app a bit, but I don't have any better solution so far...
>
> Best,
> jbv
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 4:03 am, Jose Enrique Montero via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Dan Friedman,
> >
> >
> > Do you found a solution ?
> >
> >
> > best regards.
> >
> > Jose
> >
> >
> > 2018-02-15 14:37 GMT-04:00 Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> >
> >> Greetings!
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there a method to implement Google Analytics in a LiveCode Mobile
> >> app? Client wants to see the analytic data.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Dan
> >>
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Re: LC Server style survey: co-mingle code w/HTML?

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

Despite my earlier comments - it is still something that I would be
interested in.

While my preferences has always been to mix html / code together - if there
is a better way to do things, then I would definitely be interested in
finding out / learning more.






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On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
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> Bob Hall wrote:
>
> > I’m very interested in your tools and suspect there is great value in
> > what you’ve created.
>
> I appreciate the interest, but it doesn't seem using these tools would be
> possible for most folks.
>
> Being able to run client and server code in the IDE would require using
> methods that are compatible with LC Script on the desktop.  Since we have
> no way of parsing/executing LC Server code in the desktop, and too many
> people rely on the code-embedded-in-HTML way, my tools are of no use to
> them.
>
> For the first dozen years of this engine, CGIs used the same engine as
> everything else.  Since LC Server premiered, most devs now have a workflow
> that is incompatible with the desktop engine.
>
> I've been using standalones for CGIs for many years, and while I know a
> few others who do this, there aren't many.
>
> I recently came across a project which uses LC Server but only to launch
> script libraries, so effectively it's 99% compatible with LC Script, using
> only a couple lines of LC Server to launch the libraries.  This got me
> wondering how many others do things like that, as opposed to relying on
> features specific to LC Server throughout their app which have no means of
> executing in the IDE.
>
> At this point, it seems most people are using LC Server in ways that are
> not compatible with the desktop engine.  I have nothing that can help with
> that.
>
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Re: LC Server style survey: co-mingle code w/HTML?

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

It's impracticable for most hosting companies to keep a clients WordPress
installation up to date. All the plugins and themes need to be kept up to
date at the same time and sometimes need to be manually uploaded. There is
then a problem that if a host updates something and something breaks - who
would pick this up and who would be responsible for fixing the problem.
Then there are also updates that require manual intervention, like changes
to the database etc, and sometimes you may not want something updated
either.

There are a couple of hosting companies that offer this as a managed
service - but it comes at quiet a cost and you will face a limit as to what
plugins etc you can use.

While WordPress is considered secure and actively audited, most themes and
plugins are not, and problems do creep in. A website (not just WordPress)
that gets hacked can do a fair amount of damage, it affect other sites on
the server and when things like IP addresses get black listed, it's a bit
of nightmare for the host. Most hosts are pretty understanding (despite
what their terms and conditions may say) and if they discover a problem
they will notify you, or in serve situations take the site offline and ask
you to fix the problem, before putting the site live again.

While WordPress is a fantastic platform, it does require regular upkeep -
it's not something you can setup and just leave. There are dashboards you
can use (e.g. JetPack, WP Remote etc) that let you manage single or
multiple sites from a single location offering convenient way for keeping
an eye on what needs to be updated.

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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:34 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Matthias,
>
> When support tells one that he/she is now responsible
> for keeping Wordpress up to date or face the loss of
> one’s account, they should at least point out what you
> have shared with us.
>
> > And you if install Wordpress through Softacoulus (which is included in
> On-Rev), you can enable auto upgrade in Softacoulus in  the config area for
> your WP installation.
> >
> > So regardless how you have installed Wordpress, you can enable auto
> upgrade.
>
> No one who has not yet installed Wordpress would know
> about the automatic upgrade capability.  It is also highly
> unlikely that any user would be willing to log into his/her
> account every hour of every day just to make sure that
> Wordpress is up to date so they don’t lose their account.
>
> What version of LC is currently installed on On-Rev?
> It was pretty old the last time I checked.  Perhaps an
> option to easily upgrade to the newest version of LC
> on On-Rev should be offered?
>
> A lot of people paid a bunch of money for On-Rev,
> and then when support at Run-Rev discovered it
> was more work than they bargained for, they
> outsourced it to other companies.  The first time
> it was outsourced, the result wasn’t good.  Things
> are better than they were, but there is still room
> for improvement.  Whenever a company accepts
> people’s money, that company has an obligation to
> provide better than average service if they want
> to stay in business.
>
> If it were up to me to run On-Rev, I would make
> sure that it was always up to date, or offered
> easy ways to keep everything up to date.  You’d
> never hear me threaten anyone to take away their
> account if they didn’t keep some piece of software
> up to date.  If that software poses a security risk,
> as a good steward, I would take care of that issue
> for my clients so they wouldn’t be at risk.
>
> Just my 2 cents for the day.
>
> Thank you for your helpful information about
> Wordpress etc.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Am 06.12.2017 um 07:14 schrieb Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> >> Then On-Rev wrote us that note saying that we were
> >> the ones that would be held responsible for
> >> ensuring that Wordpress was always up to
> >> date on our accounts or we could lose our
> >> accounts.  (I thought maintaining up to date
> >> versions was supposed to be the job of
> >> On-Rev as good care takers.)
> >
> > If you install Wordpress manually from a Zip file then you are
> responsible for keeping that version up to date. Either by manually updates
> or by automatic updates.
> > You can enable that in wp-config.php
> >
> > And you if install Wordpress through Softacoulus (which is included in
> On

Re: LC Server style survey: co-mingle code w/HTML?

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

PHP is definitely the most popular language for letting you code this way,
but then it is pretty much only for the web unlike most other languages.

Other languages can work this way too - e.g. Python has PSP, Java has JSP
as does Ruby, Lua etc. but not as popular as PHP.






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On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:23 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Simon Smith wrote:
>
> > Personally I do prefer to mix HTML / code together.
>
> If you mix them together with the implied extended merge of LC Server
> rather than an explicit merge with LC Script, I'm afraid nothing in my
> toolkit can help.
>
>
> > I don't think it right to say it is a PHP way to do things though :)
>
> What other languages work that way?
>
> In LC Script the primary execution object is a script, which can
> optionally pass data to be merged with an explicit call to the merge
> function.  This pattern seems more common, e.g. Ruby, Lua, Python, and of
> course SuperCard's Flamethrower project which introduced the merge function
> to the xTalk world.
>
> With PHP (and LC Server), the primary execution object is assumed to be a
> web page, with code optionally embedded in it and the merging happens as an
> implicit part of the processing.  I can't think of any other languages that
> work that way.  Am I missing some?
>
> I don't have a judgment about it either way.  A lot of people like PHP,
> and given the range of things people make with it (nearly every major CMS
> and a lot of other server frameworks where the browser is the primary
> target) it seems to do well.
>
> The only reason I'm distinguishing the style in this thread is that LC
> Server's page-centric code is incompatible with LC Script on the desktop,
> and my tools run on the desktop.
>
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Re: LC Server style survey: co-mingle code w/HTML?

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

Personally I do prefer to mix HTML / code together.

I don't think it right to say it is a PHP way to do things though :) -  PHP
does not encourage one to go this route for what I think is usually called
spaghetti code.

While some platforms, like WordPress have done quiet a bit to encourage
this style of coding with it's plugins and theme development  - there are
many PHP developers who are very public in their dislike for such
"barbaric" coding practices and also numerous frameworks that don't
support/encourage mixing html/php either.

Personally I think it is one of the reasons that lead to the popularity of
WordPress as it makes certain tasks very easy to, even if you don't have
much coding experience.

Yes it does depend on what I am doing, but for the most part, I don't have
any issues mixing code and HTML together.




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On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have some tools I developed for server apps, which allow me to develop
> and test both client and server within the same local LC IDE instance. As
> you can imagine, this has improved development efficiency by orders of
> magnitude.
>
> It's much a much more xTalk-like way of working, and once you use it
> having to be tied to a server for every little test feels like building a
> ship in a bottle with tweezers while wearing a blindfold.
>
> When I started making these tools I was using standalones exclusively for
> server work, partly because it reflects my habits gained from using LC as a
> CGI for many years before LC Server existed, and partly because I have no
> need to co-mingle code in HTML like PHP does, except a few cases where the
> merge function works quite nicely.
>
> Thinking about this more recently, it seems these tools need not be
> limited to server deployments using standalones, and may be modified to
> provide the same server emulation for deployments that will use LC Server.
>
> However, because the desktop version of LC has no means of executing LC
> Server scripts (due to the HTML wrapped around any code), the ability to
> enjoy such a fluid workflow is limited to those server apps where the .lc
> scripts contain only directives to load standard LC Script libraries.
>
> That limitation fits my own work, including current work for one client.
> But does it fit yours?
>
> How many of you using LC Server rely on its PHP-like model that encourages
> mixing HTML with LC code?
>
> Or maybe the better question might be:
>
> How many of you have server systems that already separate HTML from server
> code like most non-PHP solutions do, or could affordably transition to that
> model if it could simplify your development workflow significantly?
>
> Side question for the dev team if they see this:
>
> Would it be reasonable/affordable to add some means of enhancing desktop
> LC so that it can at least parse and attempt to execute LC scripts embedded
> in HTML?  I can emulate environment variables and the like, but the
> incompatibility between LC and .lc has been a real development bottleneck.
>
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Re: Livecode Content Management System

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

Hi

I have played with this a bit, and got pretty far for a proof of concept
for an ecommerce project I was working on. I stopped working on it when I
left the company I was working for.

I did not use rev igniter since I wanted it to function as it's own
framework and I think it just makes the coding simpler in the end. I was
not coding it in the IDE but rather my text editor (sublime), it just works
so nicely for web projects =) and I have not really had any problems with
debugging in the browser.

I got pretty far with it. Creating pages, posts products etc, Had a WYSIWYG
editor (TinyMCE) along with a simple image uploader / manager. Themes
worked and kinda had I have an idea on how to handle some type of plugin
architecture. It was working pretty well for the project I was developing
it for. I have since then started cleaning it up  and making it more of a
generic CMS but time is my biggest problem  :(. The idea was / is to have
an alternative CMS that I could use for when WordPress was not a good fit
for a website.

I have also done a much simpler "CMS" in LC for my blog. It's just 1 lc
file and an sqlite database and does pretty much everything I need. Still
needs a bit of cleaning up, but I am quiet happy with the way it turned out
and how easy it was code.

To answer your question:

1) Apart from time, l did find that there were a few PHP functions that
would have be very useful  to have in LiveCode but I could work around
pretty much all the problems I had.
2) Everything has its place. WordPress is a fantastic CMS and capable of
much more than most people realise but does have it's limits.
3) Unfortunately I don't have much rev igniter experience, but I have never
been fond of using frameworks in web projects.

If everything was working smoothly and quickly, I don't think it is
necessary to remove rev igniter and I would far rather work with a text
editor and debug in the browser than in the IDE.

While WordPress is a very popular CMS (can't deny that) it can become very
user unfriendly very quickly, and not to mention slow. Clients are usually
happy to accept alternative solutions if they will make their lives easier
(even if they are simpler and lack all the functionality of a more popular
CMS. It is amazing how much faster a CMS can be once you strip out all the
unneeded functionality.


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> Hi folks,
>
> I'm looking for (initial) interest, previous experience, comments, etc.
>
> Every few [ = 4 to 8] months for the last few [= 2 to 3] years, I've been
> either building a new website for someone, or making significant
> changes/enhancements to an existing one. Almost every time, unless the
> changes are very small, I've decided that I really *should* convert it to
> use a 'proper' CMS - e.g. Wordpress.
>
> And I've tried - but every time I've foundered on not being able to get
> the site to be what I want, or realizing (believing?) that to do what I
> want requires real development skills within WP - and therefore too much of
> a learning curve and/or too much PHP.  Or, I've decided that to make it a
> bearable experience I need to use multiple add-ons (plugins, themes, etc.)
> and then found that the plugins I spent hours investigating and choosing
> were incompatible. Or were just not well enough documented.
>
> [ I won't tell you how often I've found a (video) tutorial, wasted an
> entire hour or more watching it - then realized that it was for an
> out-of-date version of the plugin, or an old version of Wordpress, and that
> all the helpful screenshots showed me how to modify settings / actions that
> didn't exist, or had no obvious equivalent, in the current versions. ]
>
> Twice, having run into brick walls with Wordpress, I've tried other CMSs
> (Concrete5 and ??Dolphin??) with similar results - poor / out-of-date docs
> have left me stranded - 80% of the way towards doing what I wanted and
> unable to get any further.
>
> So in every case until now, I've given up, made tweaks / extensions to my
> own "home-grown" web site tool(s), and - so far - completed my enhancements
> in less time than I had wasted trying the "real" CMS.
>
> I put that down to:
>  - the power of Livecode
>  - the power of revIgniter  (thank you ! again, Ralf)
>  - my impatience in trying to learn new tools
>
> But now I have a new, bigger opportunity / challenge - I've been asked to
> build a web site (actually two unrelated web sites) which are bigger and
> more complex, and for which I absolutely do not want to become the de facto
> on-going (content) maintainer.
>
> So, I've decided to build LCMS - a Livecode Content Management System.
>
> It will be (very loosely) based on what I th

Re: sms,MMS, and Push Notificstions

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

I would look at push notifications. onesignal.com looks quiet good, just
not had a chance to play with it yet.

I have found that SMS messages are too unreliable when it comes to
emergency notifications, sometimes they come through, sometimes they don't
and sometimes they come through an hour or so later.

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> I’m curious. Has anybody done much with push notifications on mobile?
> There is a lesson on the livecode web site which is quite detailed, but
> leaves out the server side of the equation. I have been thinking about an
> emergency alert app and am exploring how difficult it would be to implement
> various communication technologies. Texts seem pretty straighforward, but I
> was thinking that push notifications might get more attention.
>
> The goal is to get the information to the recipient’s brain. It can get to
> the device, but unless the last (weak link) is traversed, the alert is
> ineffective. The target time for this is 15 minutes.
>
> I’ve Googled the heck out of these topics and there are really nice
> expensive services that can do the job, but we don’t want to pay the high
> fees. Others are marketing oriented, not optimized for emergency services.
> A custom app could be ideal, especially with increasing wildfire activity
> worldwide.
>
> Ideas and info?
> Best,
> Bill
>
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> Professor Emeritus
> University of California, Santa Barbara
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Re: [OT]h.264 alternatives

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

I would stay with h.264 if possible - its popular and supported by most
platforms. Having to trouble shoot video issues on an ongoing basis is not
really fun. But yes - there is a licencing requirement if its being used
commercially - no idea how actively it is policed.

Are the video's going to be shared commercially? How will they be accessed
etc etc etc. Depending on the video's, length and number of users etc ,
there could be no actual costs incurred -
http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Documents/avcweb.pdf and even if
costs were to be incurred, what would be the support costs and possibly
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> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
> > Which means every network and independent film-maker is breaking the
> > law...
> >   because I guarantee that they're not looking at the EULA when
> > sending off their work for broadcast or theater.I see this every
> > day.
> >
> > Kinda like "don't ask don't tell" if you ask me.
> >
> > And unenforceable. They'd have to sue everyone using their product.
>
> Is that any more difficult than identifying a specific printer used to
> print a document?
>
> <http://www.instructables.com/id/Yellow-Dots-of-Mystery-Is-Y
> our-Printer-Spying-on-/>
>
>
> > I just don't worry about this stuff when working on music or video
> > projects.
>
> In this case I'm working with a client in which my contract obliges me to
> ensure there are no copyright or patent liabilities in delivered work.
>
> I can push it off on their legal team, but as a consultant it seems useful
> to be able to suggest alternatives as well.
>
>
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Re: Refreshing question

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

Hi

Couple of ways you could look at doing it.

Depending on the formatting of the page, you could use an iframe and just
get the page that is getting loaded each time to refresh with something
like  - this would just reload the
section of the page and not the entire page.

You could also use a jquery to reload just a portion of the page and
something like:





$(document).ready(function () {
setInterval(function() {
$("#content").load("http://mydomain.com/script.ls;);
}, 5000);
})


If the data that you are wanting to display is in XML, and you are just
wanting to load that XML file every minute, I would look at using Jquery's
AJAX functionality, (http://api.jquery.com/jquery.ajax/) wrapped
inside a setTimeout
function.

Simon


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On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <
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> You can access the online data through LC, either synchronously or
> asynchronously, and process it as you need in LC.
>
> Then, you can send that data to the browser widget where you use
> Javascript to display it within the browser, by setting the innerHTML of a
> div or some other method.
>
> In this way, your data will update seamlessly without having any sort of
> obnoxious page reload. A page reload might not be bad for a simple page,
> but can be disruptive for a complex page.
>
> This method also minimizes the amount of data transferred, if that is an
> issue.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 12, 2017, at 12:23 PM, jbv via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, July 12, 2017 5:34 pm, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> If the data is always the same, then I would update a page and have the
> >> browser read it.
> >>
> >> Are you looking to reload the whole page or just update a few data
> >> points?
> >>
> >
> > I really need to reload the xml data only, as the user will have the
> > possibility to make some choices and changes on the page, and according
> > to those changes, only some parts of the data will be displayed, or
> > will be displayed in a different way...
> >
> > Thanks
> > jbv
> >
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Re: Server Installation

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

What I like about this is that it lowers the technical knowledge for
setting up a server and is a great starting point as you just need to
figure out an SSH client.

I have never really taken to Macs - although I do need to consider getting
one in the near future.

I have never liked Microsoft based hosting when I use to use ASP - it was
always messy and was never as stable as Linux based hosting and cost a fair
amount more.

At one of the companies I worked at, we had an a design agency client that
used Macs for all their designers - but chose to run Windows on them and
only use Windows software - never quiet understood that one.

I think a good shared host should always be considered as a first choice
when it comes to hosting anything - if nothing more than for the time
saving, the reduced stress and value. I have never hosted with HostM, but
the have been recommended to me a few times and I have only heard good
things about them.


On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:37 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Simon Smith wrote:
>
> > I got Livecode server up and running on the Windows 10 using both
> > XAMPP and WAMP without any trouble. Both WAMP and XAMPP only needed
> > a small change. I have documented everything here.
> > http://activethought.net/installing-livecode-windows/
> >- and work equally well for hosting a LiveCode server locally.
>
> Quite nice - thanks for posting that.
>
>
> > I started setting up an online Ubuntu server  - but it's been a while
> > since I have done it and its many many little steps and a lot of work
> > to document. And I don't think its an ideal solution either -
> > developers need something reliable that they can get up and running
> > quickly and does not require in depth knowledge of Linux to get setup.
>
> LOL - I said the same think after trying to set up a WAMP server a client
> required. I think as with anything touching on platform advocacy, the
> easiest thing is the one you know. :)
>
> In my case I began learning Linux because an increasing number of projects
> had client-server requirements, and nearly every shared host and most VPSes
> I've seen offer Linux, with only a few offering Windows Server at an
> additional cost.
>
> I've even had clients who use Windows exclusively on the desktop
> throughout their org (even the art dept. where Mac might be a better fit),
> but when it came to their public-facing systems they use Linux
> exclusively,  much as Apple, Amazon, and Google rely on it for their clouds.
>
> With OS X being a certified UNIX and Linux being very UNIX-based, I found
> I was able to leverage a lot of Mac automation skills when I started moving
> those bash scripts to my Linux hosts.
>
> In Win10 Anniversary Edition and later, Ubuntu is now available as a
> subsystem there too, so one can build their bash skills universally now.
>
> As for the steps involved, Mike Bonner's outline was very helpful:
> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2017-June/238297.html>
>
> And if you use Docker it gets even easier, thanks to Charles Warwick's LC
> container, allowing installation in one step, the Docker way:
> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2017-June/238318.html>
>
>
>
> > So after some research I can across ServerPilot.io - a cloud based
> > control panel for cloud servers (like Digital Ocean and Vultr). You
> > setup a clean server - link it to their control panel - and it takes
> > care of everything - in a minute or two you get a nicely setup server
> > - with control panel, mysql, apache and PHP.. Their free option gives
> > you the basics - everything that you need to get a server up and
> > running. There is the option of upgrading the control panel to get
> > extra features. Unfortunately the free account does not give you the
> > ability to setup SSL, You need to pay $10 a month for that - but you
> > can get around that using Cloud Flare.  All that you have to do is
> > setup LiveCode once everything is done - and you what is
> > a really nice little potent little server.
> >
> > If interested - I have gone through it in more detail here, I rushed
> > so hope I have not left anything out -
> > http://activethought.net/perfect-livecode-cloud-server/.
>
> Very nice - thanks.
>
> This reminds me of an interesting service Scott McDonald put together a
> while back, The LiveCode Lab, with multiple versions of LC Server set up
> and ready to use:
> <http://thelivecodelab.com/>
>
> The functional part is currently offline, but perhaps if some here were in
> a position to lend a hand he might be motivated to bring it back online.
>
>
> And of course if shared ho

Re: Server Installation

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

It's taken me longer than I had hoped to do this.

I got Livecode server up and running on the Windows 10 using both XAMPP and
WAMP without any trouble. Both WAMP and XAMPP only needed a small change. I
have documented everything here. http://activethought.
net/installing-livecode-windows/  - and work equally well for hosting a
LiveCode server locally.

I started setting up an online Ubuntu server  - but it's been a while since
I have done it and its many many little steps and a lot of work to
document. And I don't think its an ideal solution either - developers need
something reliable that they can get up and running quickly and does not
require in depth knowledge of Linux to get setup.

So after some research I can across ServerPilot.io - a cloud based control
panel for cloud servers (like Digital Ocean and Vultr). You setup a clean
server - link it to their control panel - and it takes care of everything -
in a minute or two you get a nicely setup server - with control panel,
mysql, apache and PHP.. Their free option gives you the basics - everything
that you need to get a server up and running. There is the option of
upgrading the control panel to get extra features. Unfortunately the free
account does not give you the ability to setup SSL, You need to pay $10 a
month for that - but you can get around that using Cloud Flare.  All that
you have to do is setup LiveCode once everything is done - and you what is
a really nice little potent little server.

If interested - I have gone through it in more detail here, I rushed so
hope I have not left anything out -
http://activethought.net/perfect-livecode-cloud-server/.

While I have ended up not documenting how to setup an entire server from
scratch - for most I do think this is a much more convenient and better
solution.

Simon


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
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> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> > On Jun 16, 2017, at 17:23 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>
> >> In many cases you'll find you don't need to change permissions and
> >> then change them back; you can temporarily raise your own permissions
> >> with sudo to edit files and leave permissions as originally
> >> configured.
> >
> > True, if using terminal, but I was editing the file with the GUI text
> > editor. I suppsoe I could have launched the text editor as sudo...
>
> True.  But most servers won't have a GUI installed, so it can be well
> worth the time to get to know Nano.
>
> As with a GUI editor, you can launch Nano with sudo:
>
>sudo nano somefile.txt
>
> You probably won't want to use Nano to write a book, but for quick editing
> of config files it's pretty good, much easier to learn than vim or emacs.
>
> If you're on a system that doesn't have Nano installed, on a Debian-based
> system like yours you can install it with apt-get:
>
>   sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install nano
>
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Re: Server Installation

[Simon Smith via use-livecode]

I think it is worth saying that if you are wanting to host your own server
online - it is well worth the pain of learning how to setup everything
yourself.

A control panel or a setup script would be great (my personal preference
would be a setup script) - you do still need some experience to run a
server online and trouble shoot any problems that can occur. Neglecting
even something very small can have disastrous results - something I have
learnt the hard way when I had a VPS hacked a many years ago. Learn the
basic Linux commands, administer a firewall, use vim or nano to edit files,
setup cron jobs, restart services, monitor resources, manage user rights,
setup sftp or ftp, tweak mysql etc. You will be a better developer for it.

I am in the process of setting up a new Windows PC and still need to
install a local web server and I also need to setup a new Linux server
hopefully in the next day or two - I will document everything I do and
share that - hopefully its of help.

Simon

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Malte wrote:
>
> > Richard wrote:
> >
> >> If someone has time to write a bash script that would be cool, though
> >> perhaps distro- and maybe even version-specific.  With bash you could
> >> download the latest LC Server, unzip it, enable CGI on Apache, alter
> >> the relevant Apache config to use LC Server for ".lc" files, and then
> >> test it to make sure it works.  It would be handy to have.
> >
> > Ok, I want this. Who does it? I am throwing $500 in the pot…
> > Someone also willing to write a .bat for Windows and maybe make the
> > Linux one work on Mac OS also???
>
> I'd do an initial version for that which would handle Ubuntu 14.04 and
> Ubuntu 16.04, under MIT so everyone can extend it for Mac and Windows if
> they need.
>
> Do we want VPS, or should we consider versions for shared hosts?  There
> are subtle differences between shared hosts that can make them more
> challenging, but the upside is they have pro admins hardening and
> monitoring so they're a better option for newcomers to get started.
>
> I could also write a script to harden a VPS, but doing it well requires
> using the script carefully, after setting up shared SSH keys, because I
> prefer to completely turn off password login on any system where I can.
>
>
> > This would save so much time and would make sure people who want to
> > fiddle with liveCode server does not need to go through the hassle of
> > needing to be a system pro. And for those who want to deploy open
> > source projects it would help a lot, as end users could easier install
> > everything themselves without needing to ask for help and without
> > needing to understand the technical underpinning…
>
> There's the rub:  we can automate setting things up, but without an
> understanding of what a server needs to be robust and secure then what
> happens with the LiveCode scripts it enables?
>
> Anything connected to the Internet implies a non-trivial level of
> responsibility.
>
> Enabling all the power of LiveCode to become accessible to the Internet is
> powerful, but automating it almost encourages cargo cult development (<
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming>).
>
> With things that only run on your own local machine, cargo cult errors are
> trivial.  But with a machine connected to the Internet it may make the
> system compromised, perhaps in ways that would be difficult to detect.
>
> We should think carefully about this.
>
> For the amount proposed, I'd write a very good tutorial that would enable
> people to set it up themselves, and understand what each step is doing.
>
> I think over the life cycle of a server, that may be a better investment.
>
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Re: FTP file upload with non-ascii characters in filename

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Hi

First I am not sure why your code replaces spaces with underscores in tFile.

Next I have an application that displays lists of filenames in a folder.  The 
user clicks on a filename and it is displayed in a browser object on the card.  
In order to get this to work I had to convert the displayed and selected file 
name to one that the OS actually uses at a lower level by using these lines of 
code:

put GetSourcefolder() & "/" & tFilename into tMyFilePath

replace " " with "%20" in tMyFilePath

replace "|" with "%7C" in tMyFilePath


I make no claims that the problem is restricted to these two characters but 
this might be a starting point.  Also different OS’s have different rules on 
the characters used in file names, so you need to account for the OS the server 
is running and google for character substitutions used in file names.

Skids


> On 28 Feb 2017, at 08:23, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> i need to upload files with non-ascii characters in the filename and this has 
> to work on Win and Mac OS X.
> 
> My script works fine when uploading files with ascii filenames, but as soon 
> as i select a file with non-ascii characters in its filename i get an error
> 
> What do i have to do with the filenames/filepath (target and source) before 
> doing the upload?
> 
> My script looks like this:
> 
> answer tFile "select file..."
> if it is empty then exit to top
> put it into tFilePath
> replace backslash with slash in tFilePath
> set the itemdelimiter to slash
> put item -1 of tFilePath into tFile
> replace " " with "_" in tFile
> put "ftp://username:passw...@ftpserver.com/ 
> "& tFile into tURL
> liburlftpupload tFilePath,tURL
> 
> I´ve tried to urlencode tDatei.
> 
> 
> I am pretty sure there is something more.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: Script Editor fixable? (was: Configuring a Sublime Text project to notify LiveCode IDE about updates to script only stacks)

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Hi, it was the comment by Dr. Hawkins : "as well
as the inability to actually put a pdf or eps on a card (just a bitmap of
it won't do); livecode just doesn't seem to me doing towards such a
direction.

Sorry for causing confusion.




> On 27 Feb 2017, at 16:10, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't understand the last question, on PDF's
> 
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 4:47 AM, Simon Knight via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I’m curious how do the likes of Swift, C# store details of their GUI ?
>> 
>> As to display of PDF what is it you want to do that can’t be achieved
>> using the browser ?
>> 
>> best wishes
>> Simon
>> 
>> Simon Knight
>> s...@anvic.net
>> Telephone : 01427 325911
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Feb 2017, at 21:06, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>>> 
>>>> More commonly, until and unless livecode can save such that such
>>>> standard tools or comparable can be applied, multi-person development
>>>> will remain a fantasy and/or novelty.
>>> 
>>> And yet here we are, using an IDE written in LiveCode by a team
>> comprised of dozens of company and community developers working together on
>> a single code base.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I've come to accept that the next major rewrite of my software is
>>>> going to have to be in something else (Swift?) so that I can add
>>>> developers, as well as the inability to actually put a pdf or eps
>>>> on a card (just a bitmap of it won't do); livecode just doesn't
>>>> seem to me doing towards such a direction.
>>> 
>>> The Business Edition has already gone that direction:
>>> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/pdf-viewer/
>>> 
>>> Probably at least an order of magnitude cheaper to upgrade to Business
>> than to rewrite the whole thing in Swift from scratch.  And with LC you get
>> a cross-platform solution, while even if you did find a GUI framework for
>> Swift for Windows you'd likely be writing a lot of forked code for each
>> platform.
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Re: Script Editor fixable? (was: Configuring a Sublime Text project to notify LiveCode IDE about updates to script only stacks)

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

I’m curious how do the likes of Swift, C# store details of their GUI ?

As to display of PDF what is it you want to do that can’t be achieved using the 
browser ?

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> On 26 Feb 2017, at 21:06, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> 
> > More commonly, until and unless livecode can save such that such
> > standard tools or comparable can be applied, multi-person development
> > will remain a fantasy and/or novelty.
> 
> And yet here we are, using an IDE written in LiveCode by a team comprised of 
> dozens of company and community developers working together on a single code 
> base.
> 
> 
> > I've come to accept that the next major rewrite of my software is
> > going to have to be in something else (Swift?) so that I can add
> > developers, as well as the inability to actually put a pdf or eps
> > on a card (just a bitmap of it won't do); livecode just doesn't
> > seem to me doing towards such a direction.
> 
> The Business Edition has already gone that direction:
> https://livecode.com/products/livecode-platform/pdf-viewer/
> 
> Probably at least an order of magnitude cheaper to upgrade to Business than 
> to rewrite the whole thing in Swift from scratch.  And with LC you get a 
> cross-platform solution, while even if you did find a GUI framework for Swift 
> for Windows you'd likely be writing a lot of forked code for each platform.
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Re: Script Editor fixable? (was: Configuring a Sublime Text project to notify LiveCode IDE about updates to script only stacks)

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Thanks for the decode - I did wonder why the forerunner of the CIA was being 
talked about ;-)

OSS - Office of Strategic Services

Simon

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> On 26 Feb 2017, at 13:40, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Abbreviations that come up in this thread:
> LC - livecode
> SE - script editor
> IDE - Integrated Development Environment
> OSS - open source software
> SOS - script-only stack
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Simon Knight via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, as someone who came to Livecode attracted by the hook that it could be
>> used by Subject Matter Experts (SMEs) I try and follow these threads but
>> please take care with the use of abbreviations / acronyms.  Some I’ve
>> worked out others I’ve no idea : OSS open source S?, SOS ??? or
>> generally  morse code dot dot dot dash dash dash dot dot dot “Save Our
>> Souls”  however it doesn’t read well below ;-)
>> 
>> My concern with external editors is based on my use of the tRev editor in
>> the past, which while having some nice features often lost the edits I
>> made.  I have no idea how it communicated with the IDE.
>> 
>> I agree with your comments re GIT.  As a one man band it seems like over
>> kill in my situation.  So I am creating an AutoSave plugin that makes a
>> backup every few minutes if the scripts have been modified (it has no
>> knowledge of changes to the UI).  It also produces a simple log file that
>> describes the delta between backups.  I am happy to share if it is of any
>> interest.
>> 
>> best wishes
>> 
>> Skids
>> 
>> Simon Knight
>> s...@anvic.net
>> Telephone : 01427 325911
>> Mobile : 07963 077071
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Feb 2017, at 01:05, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think SOS is the main future.  I think it gives us another
>> option.
>>> Long before someone learns that technique, they should have the
>> traditional
>>> method down, cold, and understand why they would use one or the other.
>> SOS
>>> definitely make working on the IDE easier, and they make complicated
>>> projects easier, but I wouldn't even think of teaching someone who isn't
>>> already a LC expert about doing it this way.
>>> 
>>> The one thing to remember about the SOS technique is that Git isn't the
>>> only option.  Git is hard core, and it is hard.  I still don't like it,
>> but
>>> I am trying to tolerate it.  If you're using any cloud syncing tool that
>>> can keep track of versions (Office365, Gsuite, and Dropbox come to mind),
>>> you have simple version control/rollbacks/archiving/etc.
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Re: Script Editor fixable? (was: Configuring a Sublime Text project to notify LiveCode IDE about updates to script only stacks)

[Simon Knight via use-livecode]

Hi, as someone who came to Livecode attracted by the hook that it could be used 
by Subject Matter Experts (SMEs) I try and follow these threads but please take 
care with the use of abbreviations / acronyms.  Some I’ve worked out others 
I’ve no idea : OSS open source S?, SOS ??? or generally  morse code dot dot 
dot dash dash dash dot dot dot “Save Our Souls”  however it doesn’t read well 
below ;-) 

My concern with external editors is based on my use of the tRev editor in the 
past, which while having some nice features often lost the edits I made.  I 
have no idea how it communicated with the IDE.

I agree with your comments re GIT.  As a one man band it seems like over kill 
in my situation.  So I am creating an AutoSave plugin that makes a backup every 
few minutes if the scripts have been modified (it has no knowledge of changes 
to the UI).  It also produces a simple log file that describes the delta 
between backups.  I am happy to share if it is of any interest.

best wishes

Skids

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> On 26 Feb 2017, at 01:05, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't think SOS is the main future.  I think it gives us another option.
> Long before someone learns that technique, they should have the traditional
> method down, cold, and understand why they would use one or the other.  SOS
> definitely make working on the IDE easier, and they make complicated
> projects easier, but I wouldn't even think of teaching someone who isn't
> already a LC expert about doing it this way.
> 
> The one thing to remember about the SOS technique is that Git isn't the
> only option.  Git is hard core, and it is hard.  I still don't like it, but
> I am trying to tolerate it.  If you're using any cloud syncing tool that
> can keep track of versions (Office365, Gsuite, and Dropbox come to mind),
> you have simple version control/rollbacks/archiving/etc.
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Re: FTP on Android

[Simon]

Hi David,
There is this;
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=8=19144
I think Splash21 method works very well.

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Re: Query for valid email

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You can use telnet to query a mail server to see if the account exists.

https://www.webdigi.co.uk/blog/2009/how-to-check-if-an-email-address-exists-without-sending-an-email/

Simon

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 1:42 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> I don't think so. If it is a single server, and you can manage the server,
> I'd export a list of email addresses and that you can script. If not, then
> I would have bounce messages ruled into a particular mail folder. That way
> you can at least find a way to compile the bounced addresses. For instance,
> I can select multiple emails and click Forward, in which case a new email
> is created with the contents of the forwarded emails. Copy paste that into
> a text file and then you can script a way to find the bounced addresses.
>
> It's a kludge, but I think that is all you have without actually using a
> proper mailing list application, which might have a way to remove bounced
> addresses after a number of days or times.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Apr 27, 2016, at 17:12 , Skip Kimpel <skiplon...@gmail.com skiplon...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Is there a quick way to script out a process to validate if an email
> address is valid against the mail sever you are sending it to?  We are
> trying to scrub a large list of old emails to see if they are still valid
> or not.
>
> Your input would be most appreciated.
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Re: Anyone have any LiveCode hooks to WordPress? And, are you following these Word Camp events

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Thanks for the kind words Dave.

The project involved using WooCommerce and WooCommerce Subscriptions.

WooCommerce Subscriptions has numerous hooks that we could tie into
everything depending on the event (e.g. Person activates a subscription)
and CURL was used to pass that information to the LiveCode scripts. It was
a bit of a process to get the necessary fields.

There are a couple of ways to integrate LiveCode and WordPress (interact
with content from WordPress), it just depends on what you are wanting to
do. E.g. WordPress has the WP Rest API (https://github.com/WP-API/WP-API).
That is probably one of the better options if you want LiveCode to interact
with WordPress. WooCommerce also has its own API aswell.

If you want WordPress to interact with LiveCode you have a good number of
options aswell. We created a simple LiveCode script that data could get
posted to via CURL. There are other options - some of them depend on the
PHP/hosting settings and curl is what worked best.

Simon






On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Dave Kilroy <d...@applicationinsight.com>
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> About a year ago I asked Simon Smith (sometimes active on this list, runs a
> nice LiveCode resource at http://activethought.net/about/) to help me
> create
> a 'code bridge' between a Wordpress website and LiveCode Server
>
> I also had WooCommerce installed on WordPress which I think in some ways
> made Simon's job harder. Anyway he was great, I think in the end a deep
> understanding of Wordpress and a WooCommerce plugin was most of what was
> needed rather than lots of php code - but the complexity of setting it all
> up was more than I wanted (or was able) to do. Simon please reply here
> saying what you really did!
>
> What now is in place is that whenever a user buys a product in
> WooCommerce/Wordpress a message is sent to my LiveCode script (on the same
> server), and from this script I populate/update a different database, send
> notifying emails etc.
>
> If I can face it I might dive in again to set up further integrations...
>
> So, if you want to get WordPress and LiveCode Server to talk to each other
> and want some help, Simon is your man!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -
> "The first 90% of the task takes 90% of the time, and the last 10% takes
> the other 90% of the time."
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Re: I need to write an external for LiveCode in C++, but I doubt my ability to do it.

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Jonathan Lynch wrote
> ...but it still requires looking at every single pixel and checking to
> see if the colors are within a certain range.

I'm way out of my league here but...
Doesn't lossy jpeg compression make assumptions about 2 pixels next to each
other?
(pseudo)
if pixel 1,1 = green 
skip pixel 1,2
is pixel 1,3 green
etc.
That would increase the speed by lots I'd think.
Of course it is lossy.

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Re: Free Let's Encrypt SSL Certificates for On-Rev?

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You can also look at using cloudflare.com for adding https - no need to buy
a security certficate.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Alex Shaw <a...@harryscollar.com> wrote:

> Opps, my bad.
>
> That requires ssh access too.
>
> regards
> alex
>
>
> On 28/01/2016 2:58 PM, Alex Shaw wrote:
>
>> Yes, the official LE client requires shell access plus a range of python
>> dependences.
>>
>> Also, if the SSL/TLS Manager module was accessible from on-rev cpanel you
>> could try..
>>
>> https://github.com/diafygi/gethttpsforfree
>>
>> regards
>> alex
>>
>> On 28/01/2016 2:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/27/2016 07:23 PM, Alex Shaw wrote:
>>>
>>>> As far as I can tell Let's Encrypt issues certificates for domain names.
>>>>
>>>> The LE install client script asks for domain name/s and I found a
>>>> mention here regarding that..
>>>>
>>>> https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/certificate-for-static-ip/84
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's true, but when I tried it for my on-rev domain I got rejected
>>> because I don't have privileges for the on-rev server. Or that's how I
>>> interpreted the error message, at any rate. I'd be happy to be wrong.
>>>
>>>
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Public thanks to David Williams!

[Simon]

It's 3 am over there and he responded to and fixed a fault on Diesel in 10
minutes.  Does he sleep in the server room?  Actually with the Diesel
problems it's probably under his bed in his flat in Edinburgh. OK, sorry to
bring this down.

Thank You David! 

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Re: Player Object in HTML 5?

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Richard Gaskin wrote
> Where can one find the pricing of the HTML5 deployment entitlement?

I found it in my account under my subscriptions "Add HTML 5 Deployment"
$1999.00 a year.

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Re: Player Object in HTML 5?

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Peter TB Brett wrote
> Yes, you can already deploy a commercial HTML5 standalone from Indy or 
> Business edition, if you have the HTML5 deployment entitlement added on 
> to your license.   

Ahhh shoot!
How did I miss that?  $2K a year.
While I'm not very bothered by HTML5 and LiveCode Indy/Business as I can use
the Community version, I am surprised that I hadn't seen that it was coming
out as an add-on.

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Re: Player Object in HTML 5?

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Monte Goulding-2 wrote
> Hmm... I know big and rich are a matter of perspective but $500 is hardly
> a massive expense. For me if it saved me more than a few hours it would be
> a false economy not to buy it.

hmmm... My post wasn't about the cost really.  It's about the fact that
although I follow LiveCode very closely (heck I even read your Engine posts
on the forums hoping one day I'll understand what you are talking about) I
missed that HTML5 was a paid for add-on for commercial users.

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Re: Player Object in HTML 5?

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Monte Goulding-2 wrote
> Did you expect to be able to deploy commercial HTML5 apps with community?

Nope. 
If I did a commercial HTML5 app it would have to be very big and my client
very rich so not really a problem.

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Re: [OT] For Peter B.

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pmbrig wrote
> Is the server down? no messages for 6 hours.
> 
> -- Peter
> 
> Peter M. Brigham

I use a digest so mine don't come in till 3 am.
This is from Nabble.

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Re: [OT] For Peter B.

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Sorry Peter M. Brigham,
This is for Peter Brett, he has some relevant postings to the article on his
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[OT] For Peter B.

[Simon]

This will make you happy;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12031540/Dash-cam-footage-of-dangerous-overtaking-lands-driver-in-jail-in-UK-first.html

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Re: How would YOU trade data within LC Android app between 2 tablets without INTERNET?

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Monte Goulding-2 wrote
> There’s a strong possibility I will be getting started on mergBLE for
> Android soon.

Wahoo!!
Any idea what the further costing would be to bring on the full BLE?
I'd would be interested in a crowed sourced project.

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Re: wtf diesel?

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Another just arrived... 43 hours late.

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RE: wtf diesel?

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I received a reply from David in 32 minutes today, he said our troubles
should be over, well at least mine ;)

I did notice something else with emails from diesel recently, the amount of
spam I get has been reduced significantly, so much so I thought there was a
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Re: wtf diesel?

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Just received an email sent 18 hours ago.

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Re: wtf diesel?

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mwieder wrote
> Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.

As of 12 hours ago it was still doing this.
Might still be doing it today.

/Poor Diesel is sick
People think I'm just insane
They got the email/

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Re: Diesel down again?

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mwieder wrote
>> Is diesel down again?
> 
> Yeah, they really should name it off-rev instead.

Ouch!
But Yeah, painful to have my main email down all day.
Glad it's back up now. 

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Re: Diesel down again?

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Down in California

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Re: Keeping up to date with

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I thought this was a good solution;
https://livecode.com/resources/support/ask-a-question/

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Re: [OT sort'a] Trying to find a post

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Roger Eller wrote
> http://getwell.care/mobile/en
> 
> This link works fine on my Android tablet.  It looks very nice. 
> Screenshot
> thumbnails enlarge when touched/clicked.  There's a link to download the
> app from the app store, but I can't test that on this device obviously.

Hi Roger,
Yes, the link to the page does work, it's the links inside the page
(Download App, Send a Message, Subscribe) that don't work. Very difficult to
ask the owner a question ;)

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Re: [OT sort'a] Trying to find a post

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Charles Warwick wrote
> I recall someone posted a link on Slack during the Global Jam to an iOS
> app that had a blue/white themed Wordpress site.
> 
> If you were on Slack, that might have been it?  I can dig up the link if
> you don’t still have access to it.

I actually don't know if it was a Slack post, but yes if you have a link I'd
like to see it, might have been posted elsewhere.
And thank you.

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[OT sort'a] Trying to find a post

[Simon]

Apologies for this post.
I tried, I really did try, a couple hours actually.
Someone within the past month posted a link to his new iOS app (not iTunes
but his own site). I thought one of the reply's was "Looks great" but that
didn't help.
I remember it was, I believe, a WordPress site but was definitely
predominantly blue/white and very cool.
Yes, I am interested in the theme he used. Yes, I should have bookmarked it.

Thanks for anyone's help,
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Re: [OT sort'a] Trying to find a post

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Charles Warwick wrote
> http://getwell.care/mobile/en http://getwell.care/mobile/en;

Charles,
Thank you Thank you!
That's it!

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Re: [OT sort'a] Trying to find a post

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Charles Warwick wrote
> http://getwell.care/mobile/en http://getwell.care/mobile/en;

Ahh shoot!
Seems like this site is phishing, none of the links work for me.
I guess not really a LiveCoder.

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Re: Release 8.0.0 DP 6

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Wow, on Win 7 lots of funny stuff.
On going to next card it moves the stack to the main monitor.

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Re: Cool stuff with Atom

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SWEET!!!

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Re: site scraper

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Hi

You could try - https://import.io/

Simon

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:35 AM, Mike Kerner <mikeker...@roadrunner.com>
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> anyone write a site scraper?  Feel like sharing it so I don't have to write
> it?
>
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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Re: [OT] Copyrighting games?

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Rick Harrison wrote
 ... break up
 the pieces if they are very different from each other and farm
 each piece out to a different producer so that no one gets the
 whole picture...

Chortle :-)
Nukes?
Manhattan project?

Richmond what are you making?

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Re: What is this - is anyone making money?

[Simon]

Oh Yes!
I've made a living for the past 8 or 9 years from apps I built with
liveCode. No I have not become a multi millionaire but am doing fine. 
I guess what I do a bit differently is I get a job within a company and they
do all the marketing stuff. I just code and talk to IT people.
Recently I worked with a couple of neurologist to make an iOS and Android
app for their patients. This will continue on for several chronic diseases,
each needing a specific app. We meet once a week and the rest is all
telecommuting. Super Fun.

So my approach is different in that I'm not selling apps really, but the
tech talk guy who codes in LiveCode.

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Re: How to minimize delay when playing an audio clip

[Simon]

Hi Mike,
In a Pong game I made I dumped .mp3 directly into global variables. Then
play gBatCollision
I had no delay problems.
But if your audio clip is very long you might not want to do this.

Simon




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Livecode and UTF8

[Simon Knight]

Hi,

I have an app that works with old fashioned text i.e. characters with a 
code value of less than 128.  Recently I enabled cut and paste and the 
app gets confused it text is pasted in with character values  127.  I 
have done the obvious and an filtering out all characters with an Ascii 
value of 127 but in the longer term I want to convert a few high bit 
characters to a low bit versions e.g. smart quotes to dumb quotes.


Some of the text that gets pasted from my email client is in UTF8. I 
have done some web research and now know a little about UTF8.  I have 
written a routine that captures any UTF8 code patterns and passes the 
UTF string to a routine for conversion.


A UTF8 string may be between one and four bytes long and every byte has 
a value greater than 127.  I wish to extract the UTF character value and 
use the value to do the conversion.  My question is: does livecode have 
any method of converting  a UTF8 character string to either a UTF16 
string or to the numeric value of the character which I believe is the 
same if leading zeros are ignored?  For instance a smart open quote 
appears in my data as a series of three bytes : [E2-hex,80-hex,9C-hex] 
the numeric value of the character is encoded within the bits of the 
three bytes and will take some bit shifting to extract : the UTF8 string 
decodes to 201C-hex or 8220 base 10.


At present I am working with Livecode 6.7 and have read about and tried 
the uniEncode and uniDecode functions.  The description of these 
functions does not make any sense to me as they seem to be about adding 
or removing every other byte which can't work with UTF8.


I have tried various versions of the following button code attempting to 
get a result of 8220 base 10:


on mouseUp
 put numToChar(226) into tString -- E2 hex
 put numToChar(128) after tString -- 80 hex
 put numToChar(156) after tString -- 9C hex

 Set the UseUniCode to true

 put source string :   tstring

 put uniDecode(tString,UTF8) into tResult

 put CharToNum(tResult) into tNumberResult  -- seeking value 8220 
in base 10


end mouseUp

So do I have to knuckle down and start bit shifting?

thanks for reading
Simon

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Re: Has the founders on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?

[Simon]

Just to close my end of this thread.
Simple email to support and the problem was fixed. Loaded up the disk to 105
GB and received an email from Heather saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, I
like you but you're over 100 GB.

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Re: Has the founders on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?

[Simon]

Ok I do have to admit that during the HTML5 crowdfunding I went with the
Lifetime Pro and there was in the fine print that it meant 10 years. Now
for me that indicated some sort of legal speak and that there was probably
some enforceable case that 10 years could be deemed a lifetime. But then
there is also the case of when I found the Enterprise edition was for $500K
(or 50K? some revenue cap) or less on the website. Heather quickly had that
fixed.  So that fine print may have been wrong.

Anyways, I like LiveCode Ltd. so not a big problem.

I wonder about the people who have 100 GB storage because though I can't
find it, there was a post by Kevin when this came up before (during the move
to France) that said we would retain our 50 GB and he'd get right on it.


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Has the founders on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?

[Simon]

Hi,
I had thought it was 50 GB but my ftp is telling me it's full at 24.2055 GB.

Thanks,
Simon



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RE: Has the founders on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?

[Simon]

Ralph DiMola wrote
 I'm a founder and cPanel has me at:
 
 Disk Space Usage  x GB / 97.66 GB
 Monthly Bandwidth TransferxGB / 488.28 GB

Wow 97? 
Mine is showing me
Disk Space Usage552.96 KB / 48.83 GB
Monthly Bandwidth Transfer  5.52 GB / 488.28 GB
But because of that 552.96 I never believed that cPanel home page was
reliable.  I used the Disk Space Usage thingy and that showed me the 24 GB

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Re: Has the founders on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?

[Simon]

Thanks Mike,
And there I was blaming owncloud for deleting a bunch of my local files
grrr...  I stopped using owncloud and switched to upload only syncing, but
if was just a sudden reduction in available disk space that would explain
it.

Do you think this is Urgent enough to wake up David?

Simon




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Re: livecode forums down ?

[Simon]

Poor livecode.com, down again tonight July 9th.

Simon



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Re: [OT] What the *^#$!#$ Just Happened - SPAM

[Simon Knight]

 try Russia

On 08/06/2015 17:00, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

Where can I find these Russian women?


Craig



-Original Message-
From: Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com
To: use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:47 am
Subject: Re: [OT] What the *^#$!#$ Just Happened - SPAM


Kay C Lan wrote:

   I use this email account almost exclusively for this Use
List now;
   so I haven't recently given it to anyone, company or whatever.

   Up until yesterday I usually received 1 or 2 false SPAMS a day;
  
typically from Dunbarx's AOL account or some other legitamate Use
   List user
with an AOL account.
  
   Up until yesterday I usually receved a single
actual SPAM every
   couple of months.
  
   Today I accessed this account
and I had over 50!!! That's more than
   the TOTAL email SPAM I've ever
received on this account.

This is a public list where the archives are
publicly
available:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Every
resource publicly available is easily spiderable.

I think all you're seeing
is what seems to me a recent uptick in the
aggressiveness of certain
spammer-controlled botnets.  I've been seeing
a lot more spam myself lately,
mostly for junk stock tips and bots
claiming to be Russian women who want to
marry an American.

There is no cure.  Spam consumes so much of our Internet
that an
estimated 5-10% of legitimate email never arrives at its destination

because all systems are bogged down trying to stay on top of spam.

Windows
still has about 90% of the computing market, and most botnets
are run on
unsuspecting end-users' machines.  The rest are often
installed on Web servers
that didn't stay on top of the updates for
their CMS frameworks.  When we
combine millions of compromised servers
with tens of millions of compromised
desktop machines, the botnets can
only win.

Sorry, don't have a glass half
full for this one.




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Re: What is required nowadays to get through a Proxy

[Simon]

Found it.
HTTPProxy in the dictionary.

Simon



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Re: [OT] Hyperreal UI from Age of Ultron

[Simon]

Holy Crap!

Simon



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Re: LiveCode forums down today?

[Simon]

And Pancake is back up... hmmm.

Simon



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Re: LiveCode forums down today?

[Simon]

Hi Dave,
Sorry I was just looking at the Status page, I have no true knowledge of
Pancake's functionality.

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LiveCode forums down today?

[Simon]

http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ says it is.
Do we contact David W. for this?

Simon



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Re: for you Wall Street fans...

[Simon]

Did we do this???

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-stock-futures-fall-1429791213

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Re: Please recommend a text editor

[Simon Knight]

WILCO!

ordered from ABE books for 67p

On 05/04/2015 16:12, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Simon Knight wrote:


You raise some interesting and in some ways disturbing questions. Why
are we seemingly locked into an endless cycle of replacing working
equipment with new more expensive versions?


Read Victor Papanek's Design for the Real World.




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Re: Please recommend a text editor

[Simon Knight]

Richmond,

You raise some interesting and in some ways disturbing questions. Why 
are we seemingly locked into an endless cycle of replacing working 
equipment with new more expensive versions?  In early days the 
improvements were real with greater storage and improved graphics.  I 
bought my first Apple because Acorn Ltd stopped making computers and I 
could not figure out what I needed in a Windows PC.  Initially I was 
happy to upgrade both hardware and software as OSX improved but then 
Lion was issued and Apple entered a phase of stagnation coupled with the 
removal of features such as Rosetta.


Unlike you I have purchased a machine running MAC OS Y (Black Hills of 
Dakota) and its quite like Mountain Lion only with blue buttons. Where 
possible I have switched off many of the new exciting but pointless 
features such as transparency.  The down sides have been many, most 
notable being  my new  computer will not run the older version of Apple 
Pages and the new version will not open older files, not that surprising 
perhaps but it has made me review how I store information for the long 
term.  Also, many of my home movies no longer run as the new Quicktime 
does not recognise the file formats (Its QUICKTIME you dumb piece of 
S**T!) (yes I know quicktime is a container format but why have they 
dropped old formats - have they run out of resources?).


The upshot is that I am unlikely to purchase a new Mac, especially as I 
am certain it will have been dumbed down to the level of IOS and have a 
finger painting interface included.  I suspect that I will either give 
Windows a try or take a leap into the unknown world of Linux.


I apologise for raving on and I think I did warn against getting me 
started but the bottom line is I agree with you.


best wishes

Simon

On 04/04/2015 13:47, Richmond wrote:

On 04/04/15 15:10, Simon Knight wrote:
I've no objection to the built in script editor (except when it bangs 
out during debug) especially as I have just re-discovered that if I 
cut and paste from it I get coloured text.  However, I want to create 
a document that compares Livecode script with VBA code and if I do a 
cut and paste from the VBA editor I get plain text.  I now realise 
that I can put the VBA through textwrangler and into a Wp such as 
Bean with any Livecode being inserted with a straight cut and paste.


Ah! Appleworks 6.  Now it comes from a time when Apple were hungry 
and software had to work whereas today it just has to look good - but 
please don't get me started.


Why do you think about 8 months ago I bought a second-hand G5 iMac 
when I had the money for a new Intel iMac running Mac OS Y (Black 
Hills of Dakota)?


1. Running 10.4.11 the G5 can run Mac OS 9 - and as, a while ago, I 
invested a lot of money in 3D graphics progs. for Mac OS 9 I'd far

rather run them than pay for their successors.

2. Running 10.5.8 with 2 GB RAM it does almost all I need for 
programming.


3. AppleWorks will be my favourite office suite forever unless 
somebody produces an exact clone than runs on Linux. It may not
have a million bells and whistles, but it does offer all I need, and 
when compared with LibreOffice, Open Office, Star Office, Think Free 
Office,
MS Office, KOffice, KingSoft Office (yes, I have tried ALL of them), 
it still looks better than all of them to me - probabaly because it 
doesn't suffer

from feature bloat.

See answers to my other posting entitled Please release me, let me 
go. and ask yourself why, although I really DID like Macintosh computers
and the Mac OS, I didn't like Steve Jobs and his heirs, and their 
non-backwards-compatibility way of thinking.


Richmond.


As to  'if I want to do script editing in VBA- well I don't really 
its just that have to ;-)


best wishes

Simon

On 04/04/2015 12:03, Richmond wrote:

On 04/04/15 13:18, Simon Knight wrote:

Richmond,

Many thanks - I will give textwrangler a try, I have used it as a 
plain text editor but never really dug deep: I have down loaded the 
Revolution add-in that you pointed me to and may have a try at 
creating my own.  The one thing I have not been able to do is to 
directly export coloured text to a word processor.  The 
Textwrangler export option remains grayed out but I can get the 
text by printing to preview and copy and paste from there.


best wishes

Simon



I'm not entirely sure what your objection to the built-in script 
editor is; as a syntax coloured external editor is much the same 
sort of thing.


However, having said that, I tend to use Appleworks 6 on my G5 iMac 
running Mac OS 10.5 for editing large scripts where I need to

perform bulk search-and-replace operations.

Appleworks does not offer syntax colouring, but I use it mainly by 
doing a copy-paste of an already finished script to modify it via

search-and-replace rather than programming per se.

If you want to do script-editing like Visual Basic (i.e. one long 
list rather than lots of little lists in each object) then I

Re: Please recommend a text editor

[Simon Knight]

Richmond,

Many thanks - I will give textwrangler a try, I have used it as a plain 
text editor but never really dug deep: I have down loaded the 
Revolution add-in that you pointed me to and may have a try at 
creating my own.  The one thing I have not been able to do is to 
directly export coloured text to a word processor.  The Textwrangler 
export option remains grayed out but I can get the text by printing to 
preview and copy and paste from there.


best wishes

Simon

On 04/04/2015 10:19, Richmond wrote:

On 04/04/15 11:48, Simon Knight wrote:

Hi,

I have to produce some documentation and am looking for an editor 
(Apple Mac) that will support language syntax colouring. I am 
experimenting with TextWrangler.  The complication is I want to use 
both Livecode and MS Access VBA code.


Do you have any suggestions ?

best wishes

Simon

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Please recommend a text editor

[Simon Knight]

Hi,

I have to produce some documentation and am looking for an editor (Apple 
Mac) that will support language syntax colouring.  I am experimenting 
with TextWrangler.  The complication is I want to use both Livecode and 
MS Access VBA code.


Do you have any suggestions ?

best wishes

Simon

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Re: Please recommend a text editor

[Simon Knight]

I've no objection to the built in script editor (except when it bangs 
out during debug) especially as I have just re-discovered that if I cut 
and paste from it I get coloured text.  However, I want to create a 
document that compares Livecode script with VBA code and if I do a cut 
and paste from the VBA editor I get plain text.  I now realise that I 
can put the VBA through textwrangler and into a Wp such as Bean with any 
Livecode being inserted with a straight cut and paste.


Ah! Appleworks 6.  Now it comes from a time when Apple were hungry and 
software had to work whereas today it just has to look good - but please 
don't get me started.


As to  'if I want to do script editing in VBA- well I don't really its 
just that have to ;-)


best wishes

Simon

On 04/04/2015 12:03, Richmond wrote:

On 04/04/15 13:18, Simon Knight wrote:

Richmond,

Many thanks - I will give textwrangler a try, I have used it as a 
plain text editor but never really dug deep: I have down loaded the 
Revolution add-in that you pointed me to and may have a try at 
creating my own.  The one thing I have not been able to do is to 
directly export coloured text to a word processor.  The Textwrangler 
export option remains grayed out but I can get the text by printing 
to preview and copy and paste from there.


best wishes

Simon



I'm not entirely sure what your objection to the built-in script 
editor is; as a syntax coloured external editor is much the same sort 
of thing.


However, having said that, I tend to use Appleworks 6 on my G5 iMac 
running Mac OS 10.5 for editing large scripts where I need to

perform bulk search-and-replace operations.

Appleworks does not offer syntax colouring, but I use it mainly by 
doing a copy-paste of an already finished script to modify it via

search-and-replace rather than programming per se.

If you want to do script-editing like Visual Basic (i.e. one long list 
rather than lots of little lists in each object) then I suppose your 
question begins
to make sense; the only real problem is at that point you lose the 
WYSIWYG aspect that is so powerful in LiveCode.


Richmond.

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Re: [semi-OT] Distributing apps for iOs outside iTunes

[Simon]

Here is my write up for distribution
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=49t=22832

I get reports from the iOS device so I know when to take the link down.
One thing I didn't include in the app was a method of auto updating... next
time.

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RE: [semi-OT] Distributing apps for iOS outside iTunes

[Simon]

Glad it helped!

Simon

Ralph DiMola wrote
 Simon,
 
 You the Man! Worked first... well second time. I needed to add the mime
 types in IIS. Sweet.
 
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Re: OT Wordpress installation on On-Rev server Diesel fails

[Simon Smith]

All versions of WordPress after 3.7 auto update (only minor and security
updates)

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:


  Am 18.03.2015 um 19:30 schrieb Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net
 mailto:mwie...@ahsoftware.net:
 
  Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D matthias_livecode_150811@... writes:
 
  I just checked his installation. And can assure you it´s version 4.1.1.
 
  OK. Sounds like you've got this under control.
  But I think if you've installed your own WordPress copy then you're
 responsible
  for keeping it updated, as opposed to running the version on-rev
 supplies.
 

 The On-Rev integrated one is updated automatically?
 Only security patches or also version upgrades?
 I would have no problem with security updates,
 but automatically upgrading to newer versions is not what i would want.

 Matthias

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