Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Mark Smith wrote: Is there a tutorial on using the debugger, for those of us 'old school' who seem dependent on put statements? Section 3.5 of the User Guide (p 63-70) is well illustrated and should provide what you're looking for. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: I graciously insert put commands when something isn't working as expected, then fix the problem and remove the puts again. graciously? :) I have a ck command for tossing checkpoints. It both put's its argument and sticks it after a field in a window of a special stack. Easier to find than puts when it's time to remove them . . . -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
J. Landman Gay wrote One thing I do all the time is to step through a new handler to see what it is doing. When I can see the values of the variables, I know what to expect. Usually I can tell when the next executable line will error and to avoid having to dismiss an error dialog and start over, I just change the value in the variable watcher to something that will work so that I can continue to step through and see what other problems might exist. Is there a tutorial on using the debugger, for those of us 'old school' who seem dependent on put statements? A workshop at the conference might be useful for the especially intransigent offenders among us :) Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Defining-Pet-Features-and-Essentials-tp4675713p4676039.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program without the debugger? Jaw dropped. I graciously insert put commands when something isn't working as expected, then fix the problem and remove the puts again. Only works with code that I've created myself though, because other people tend to use far more functions and commands, which unnecessarily complicates things. The main advantage is that the IDE in general, as well as my own stacks, are faster with debug mode off. I actually like that finding bugs and removing them is annoying, because then I think twice before making random changes. Said that, I found myself using the debugger a bit more recently, mostly because It helps with seeing why code does what it does, not so much to find code that isn't doing what it's supposed to do. -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
On 2/13/14, 5:51 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program without the debugger? Jaw dropped. I graciously insert put commands when something isn't working as expected, then fix the problem and remove the puts again. That's what we had to do in HyperCard 1.0. I was very happy when HC introduced its first debugger so that I didn't need to alter the script itself just to see what is going on. Debugging on mobile without a built-in debugger reminds me of those old times and I don't like it. One thing I do all the time is to step through a new handler to see what it is doing. When I can see the values of the variables, I know what to expect. Usually I can tell when the next executable line will error and to avoid having to dismiss an error dialog and start over, I just change the value in the variable watcher to something that will work so that I can continue to step through and see what other problems might exist. When I'm done with that, I fix the handler so that the variable will be correct to begin with. That's really handy. Sometimes handlers don't error but they also don't produce the results I expect. I just set a breakpoint and look at the values. The reason for the failure is usually quickly apparent. I think I spend more time in the debugger than anywhere else. It speeds up development and there is also no risk of leaving stray puts in the scripts. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Hovering to get tool-tip style popups showing variable contents is something I've used for a while but it seems kind of finicky. It usually takes a while, like a second or two, before the popup is displayed. That wouldn't be so bad if it always worked, but sometimes you wait and wait and no popup ever gets displayed at all. On 2/11/2014 6:14 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: One way to see variable contents when in debug mode is to hover the mouse over a variable name - a tooltip with its contents appears. Only discovered that a couple of weeks ago. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richmond. So if I see an egregious typo, like: putt myVar into someOtherVar then I do what you do. But you never, really never, had to follow the contents of a variable while stepping through a script? Never mind when debugging due to an error, but rather just to see if your plan was sound? I remember in the movie Amadeus, when Salieri was told by Mozart's wife that he made no fair copies of his work, and Salieri, crushed, realized he simply wrote down the music he heard in his head. Craig -Original Message- From: Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:28 pm Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables On 11/02/14 22:24, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: WHAT!!??!!! WHT The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used revXMLEndTree. But the debugger? I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program without the debugger? Jaw dropped. Dunno. Managed it for about 39 years without one. And RR/LC for the last 12 years. As I said earlier: every time I run a script and it has a problem the scriptEditor opens up with a jolly yellow blob exactly where the problem is, and I piss about until it stops doing that. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Craig- Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 10:45:33 AM, you wrote: I find the system globals to be a distraction. Sometimes there are a dozen or more, depending on where I am in the session, and they begin the variable list. Certainly better if they were at the bottom, and this hack is possible, just as the hack from Thierry prevents their loading at all. But when debugging, I want to see, usually, only my own variables. I hate scrolling down just to display my own portion of the list. ...I should, of course, point out that PowerDebug has a filter that will allow you to see just the variables you're interested in. And separate displays for the local / global / and environment variables. http://mwieder.on-rev.com/WordPress/?incsub_wiki=the-variable-watcher http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/BuyPowerDebug.irev -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Hi Ray, This has been dicussed few times in this list with a solution. Sorry, don't have the link but... Regards, Thierry Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf 2014-02-11 Ray r...@linkit.com: Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all the dollar sign variables? I'll list a few, below, for reference. Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my own variables. Thanks, Ray $# $0 $ALLUSERSPROFILE $APPDATA $CommanProgramFiles $CommonProgramW6432 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Yeah I tried looking it up before posting. I discovered these variables are environment variables but I couldn't see how to suppress the display of them. On 2/11/2014 8:13 AM, Thierry Douez wrote: Hi Ray, This has been dicussed few times in this list with a solution. Sorry, don't have the link but... Regards, Thierry Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf 2014-02-11 Ray r...@linkit.com: Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all the dollar sign variables? I'll list a few, below, for reference. Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my own variables. Thanks, Ray $# $0 $ALLUSERSPROFILE $APPDATA $CommanProgramFiles $CommonProgramW6432 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
On 11/02/14 15:10, Ray wrote: Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all the dollar sign variables? I'll list a few, below, for reference. Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my own variables. Thanks, Ray $# $0 $ALLUSERSPROFILE $APPDATA $CommanProgramFiles $CommonProgramW6432 That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have NEVER seen anything like that in a script editor. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
I've definitely got a system which shows up issues in the script editor. LC did confirm the bug I posted a few weeks ago about the script editor's propensity to always open partially off the screen instead of where I closed it, although a lot of guys reported they couldn't repeat that one either. On 2/11/2014 8:19 AM, Richmond wrote: On 11/02/14 15:10, Ray wrote: Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all the dollar sign variables? I'll list a few, below, for reference. Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my own variables. Thanks, Ray $# $0 $ALLUSERSPROFILE $APPDATA $CommanProgramFiles $CommonProgramW6432 That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have NEVER seen anything like that in a script editor. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Hi Ray, Does it help if you uncheck the Show globals checkbox in the Script Editor pane of the Preferences window? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com Buy my new book Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 2/11/2014 14:10, Ray wrote: Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all the dollar sign variables? I'll list a few, below, for reference. Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my own variables. Thanks, Ray $# $0 $ALLUSERSPROFILE $APPDATA $CommanProgramFiles $CommonProgramW6432 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Hi. This is one of my favorite things, courtesy of Thierry. Open the script of the debugger and place this in its script. Replace the handler completely. function revDebuggerValidGlobalNames local tGlobalsRaw put the globals into tGlobalsRaw replace comma with return in tGlobalsRaw filter tGlobalsRaw without *(x86) filter tGlobalsRaw without $* filter tGlobalsRaw without grev* replace return with comma in tGlobalsRaw return tGlobalsRaw end revDebuggerValidGlobalNames Peace at last. Craig Newman -Original Message- From: Ray r...@linkit.com To: use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:10 am Subject: Dollar Sign Variables Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all the dollar sign variables? I'll list a few, below, for reference. Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my own variables. Thanks, Ray $# $0 $ALLUSERSPROFILE $APPDATA $CommanProgramFiles $CommonProgramW6432 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Theiry, Craig, This method works: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2012-February/169029.html but it can't be saved, forcing me to do a lot of work-around each time I open Livecode. It seems I have a permission issue. Here's what I do: Open Message Box, Show Front Scripts, Open stack revDebugger Go to the function revDebuggerValidGlobalNames and add the following line: filter tGlobalsRaw without grev* This works beautifully but it can't be saved. If I try saving the revDebugger stack from the message box I get the error: can't open stack backup file If I quit I'm prompted to save changes to revDebugger, but when I choose to do so I get a longer error: Can't save stack revDebugger due to an error Can't open stack backup file Check the file path, and make sure you have sufficient permissions. If I try a save as and then replace the existing support file with the new one it completely corrupts my installation of Livecode forcing me to download and re-install. Is there something going on with my permissions that I can set to allow the saving of changes to the revDebugger stack? Thanks, Ray On 2/11/2014 11:36 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Hi. This is one of my favorite things, courtesy of Thierry. Open the script of the debugger and place this in its script. Replace the handler completely. function revDebuggerValidGlobalNames local tGlobalsRaw put the globals into tGlobalsRaw replace comma with return in tGlobalsRaw filter tGlobalsRaw without *(x86) filter tGlobalsRaw without $* filter tGlobalsRaw without grev* replace return with comma in tGlobalsRaw return tGlobalsRaw end revDebuggerValidGlobalNames Peace at last. Craig Newman -Original Message- From: Ray r...@linkit.com To: use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:10 am Subject: Dollar Sign Variables Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all the dollar sign variables? I'll list a few, below, for reference. Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my own variables. Thanks, Ray $# $0 $ALLUSERSPROFILE $APPDATA $CommanProgramFiles $CommonProgramW6432 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Ray. This has worked for me without issue for years, in my several versions of both Commercial and Community. I do have to save the debugger script, and then quit LC for the changes to stick, but never see the errors you do. Craig -Original Message- From: Ray r...@linkit.com To: use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:40 am Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables Theiry, Craig, This method works: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2012-February/169029.html but it can't be saved, forcing me to do a lot of work-around each time I open Livecode. It seems I have a permission issue. Here's what I do: Open Message Box, Show Front Scripts, Open stack revDebugger Go to the function revDebuggerValidGlobalNames and add the following line: filter tGlobalsRaw without grev* This works beautifully but it can't be saved. If I try saving the revDebugger stack from the message box I get the error: can't open stack backup file If I quit I'm prompted to save changes to revDebugger, but when I choose to do so I get a longer error: Can't save stack revDebugger due to an error Can't open stack backup file Check the file path, and make sure you have sufficient permissions. If I try a save as and then replace the existing support file with the new one it completely corrupts my installation of Livecode forcing me to download and re-install. Is there something going on with my permissions that I can set to allow the saving of changes to the revDebugger stack? Thanks, Ray On 2/11/2014 11:36 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Hi. This is one of my favorite things, courtesy of Thierry. Open the script of the debugger and place this in its script. Replace the handler completely. function revDebuggerValidGlobalNames local tGlobalsRaw put the globals into tGlobalsRaw replace comma with return in tGlobalsRaw filter tGlobalsRaw without *(x86) filter tGlobalsRaw without $* filter tGlobalsRaw without grev* replace return with comma in tGlobalsRaw return tGlobalsRaw end revDebuggerValidGlobalNames Peace at last. Craig Newman -Original Message- From: Ray r...@linkit.com To: use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:10 am Subject: Dollar Sign Variables Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all the dollar sign variables? I'll list a few, below, for reference. Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my own variables. Thanks, Ray $# $0 $ALLUSERSPROFILE $APPDATA $CommanProgramFiles $CommonProgramW6432 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Craig, For some reason I'm experiencing multiple issues with the script editor window. Not only do I see the environment variables (preceded with the dollar sign) but the window is always popping up in odd places on my monitors. It also seems kind of add that I can't save changes to this stack. Can you think of any Livecode preference file (which is not getting uninstalled) that could be causing these problems? Thanks, Ray On 2/11/2014 11:46 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Ray. This has worked for me without issue for years, in my several versions of both Commercial and Community. I do have to save the debugger script, and then quit LC for the changes to stick, but never see the errors you do. Craig -Original Message- From: Ray r...@linkit.com To: use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:40 am Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables Theiry, Craig, This method works: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2012-February/169029.html but it can't be saved, forcing me to do a lot of work-around each time I open Livecode. It seems I have a permission issue. Here's what I do: Open Message Box, Show Front Scripts, Open stack revDebugger Go to the function revDebuggerValidGlobalNames and add the following line: filter tGlobalsRaw without grev* This works beautifully but it can't be saved. If I try saving the revDebugger stack from the message box I get the error: can't open stack backup file If I quit I'm prompted to save changes to revDebugger, but when I choose to do so I get a longer error: Can't save stack revDebugger due to an error Can't open stack backup file Check the file path, and make sure you have sufficient permissions. If I try a save as and then replace the existing support file with the new one it completely corrupts my installation of Livecode forcing me to download and re-install. Is there something going on with my permissions that I can set to allow the saving of changes to the revDebugger stack? Thanks, Ray On 2/11/2014 11:36 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Hi. This is one of my favorite things, courtesy of Thierry. Open the script of the debugger and place this in its script. Replace the handler completely. function revDebuggerValidGlobalNames local tGlobalsRaw put the globals into tGlobalsRaw replace comma with return in tGlobalsRaw filter tGlobalsRaw without *(x86) filter tGlobalsRaw without $* filter tGlobalsRaw without grev* replace return with comma in tGlobalsRaw return tGlobalsRaw end revDebuggerValidGlobalNames Peace at last. Craig Newman -Original Message- From: Ray r...@linkit.com To: use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:10 am Subject: Dollar Sign Variables Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all the dollar sign variables? I'll list a few, below, for reference. Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my own variables. Thanks, Ray $# $0 $ALLUSERSPROFILE $APPDATA $CommanProgramFiles $CommonProgramW6432 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
On 2/11/14, 7:19 AM, Richmond wrote: That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have NEVER seenanything like that in a script editor. They are in the variable watcher at the bottom of the script editor. They've been there ever since the beginning of LiveCode time. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice to be able to choose. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Or list them at the bottom. I wouldn't want them gone. Out of sight, out of mind, and you forget they are there when you need them. ~Roger On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:33 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice to be able to choose. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Since this is already a preference in the Script Editor pane so I took reported it as a bug since checking/unchecking it has no effect. It's bug #11786 Show Globals Preference Doesn't Work Funny thing though, somehow in my testing I've succeeded in hiding them, although the check box still has no effect. They've shown up and then gone away sort of randomly for a few versions now. Thanks, Ray On 2/11/2014 1:06 PM, Roger Eller wrote: Or list them at the bottom. I wouldn't want them gone. Out of sight, out of mind, and you forget they are there when you need them. ~Roger On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:33 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice to be able to choose. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
On 11/02/14 19:31, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/11/14, 7:19 AM, Richmond wrote: That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have NEVER seenanything like that in a script editor. They are in the variable watcher at the bottom of the script editor. They've been there ever since the beginning of LiveCode time. Well, that is as maybe. But then I've never had an urge to use the variable watcher. In fact, for the first time ever, I have just looked at it. What I don't understand is what the problem is if those -ery things are confined to the variable watcher why they should be problem in the script editor qua script editor. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
10041 and 11786 Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice to be able to choose. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Ray... This has been a topic, bugaboo and bug report (I think) for a while, but no reason not to do it again. Richmond... WHAT!!??!!! WHT The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used revXMLEndTree. But the debugger? Craig -Original Message- From: Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:29 pm Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables On 11/02/14 19:31, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/11/14, 7:19 AM, Richmond wrote: That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have NEVER seenanything like that in a script editor. They are in the variable watcher at the bottom of the script editor. They've been there ever since the beginning of LiveCode time. Well, that is as maybe. But then I've never had an urge to use the variable watcher. In fact, for the first time ever, I have just looked at it. What I don't understand is what the problem is if those -ery things are confined to the variable watcher why they should be problem in the script editor qua script editor. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Richmond. Sorry for earlier aghastness. I find the system globals to be a distraction. Sometimes there are a dozen or more, depending on where I am in the session, and they begin the variable list. Certainly better if they were at the bottom, and this hack is possible, just as the hack from Thierry prevents their loading at all. But when debugging, I want to see, usually, only my own variables. I hate scrolling down just to display my own portion of the list. Craig -Original Message- From: dunbarx dunb...@aol.com To: use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:39 pm Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables Ray... This has been a topic, bugaboo and bug report (I think) for a while, but no reason not to do it again. Richmond... WHAT!!??!!! WHT The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used revXMLEndTree. But the debugger? Craig -Original Message- From: Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:29 pm Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables On 11/02/14 19:31, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/11/14, 7:19 AM, Richmond wrote: That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have NEVER seenanything like that in a script editor. They are in the variable watcher at the bottom of the script editor. They've been there ever since the beginning of LiveCode time. Well, that is as maybe. But then I've never had an urge to use the variable watcher. In fact, for the first time ever, I have just looked at it. What I don't understand is what the problem is if those -ery things are confined to the variable watcher why they should be problem in the script editor qua script editor. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Not sure what to make of this reply. On 2/11/2014 1:28 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: 10041 and 11786 Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice to be able to choose. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Richmond, Just out of curiosity, how do you debug scripts without using the variable watcher part of the script editor window? Thanks, Ray On 2/11/2014 1:28 PM, Richmond wrote: On 11/02/14 19:31, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/11/14, 7:19 AM, Richmond wrote: That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have NEVER seenanything like that in a script editor. They are in the variable watcher at the bottom of the script editor. They've been there ever since the beginning of LiveCode time. Well, that is as maybe. But then I've never had an urge to use the variable watcher. In fact, for the first time ever, I have just looked at it. What I don't understand is what the problem is if those -ery things are confined to the variable watcher why they should be problem in the script editor qua script editor. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Craig, Are you able to open a Rev UI back script or front script, edit it and then save it? This is where I'm running into problems with the last two versions of LC. I can't save anything because of 'permissions' errors on my Window 8 system, and my old work-around, to 'save as' and then replace the file on the desktop, now corrupts the installation. Suggestions? Thanks, Ray On 2/11/2014 1:45 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richmond. Sorry for earlier aghastness. I find the system globals to be a distraction. Sometimes there are a dozen or more, depending on where I am in the session, and they begin the variable list. Certainly better if they were at the bottom, and this hack is possible, just as the hack from Thierry prevents their loading at all. But when debugging, I want to see, usually, only my own variables. I hate scrolling down just to display my own portion of the list. Craig -Original Message- From: dunbarx dunb...@aol.com To: use-livecode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:39 pm Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables Ray... This has been a topic, bugaboo and bug report (I think) for a while, but no reason not to do it again. Richmond... WHAT!!??!!! WHT The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used revXMLEndTree. But the debugger? Craig -Original Message- From: Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:29 pm Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables On 11/02/14 19:31, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/11/14, 7:19 AM, Richmond wrote: That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have NEVER seenanything like that in a script editor. They are in the variable watcher at the bottom of the script editor. They've been there ever since the beginning of LiveCode time. Well, that is as maybe. But then I've never had an urge to use the variable watcher. In fact, for the first time ever, I have just looked at it. What I don't understand is what the problem is if those -ery things are confined to the variable watcher why they should be problem in the script editor qua script editor. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
On 11/02/14 20:38, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Ray... This has been a topic, bugaboo and bug report (I think) for a while, but no reason not to do it again. Richmond... WHAT!!??!!! WHT The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used revXMLEndTree. But the debugger? Craig My experience has been that when I run a script and it throws a bluey there's a 'nice' yllow blob that appears against the offending line. That is enough for me. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Wouldn't that be a 'yellowey' :-) On 2/11/2014 2:03 PM, Richmond wrote: On 11/02/14 20:38, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Ray... This has been a topic, bugaboo and bug report (I think) for a while, but no reason not to do it again. Richmond... WHAT!!??!!! WHT The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used revXMLEndTree. But the debugger? Craig My experience has been that when I run a script and it throws a bluey there's a 'nice' yllow blob that appears against the offending line. That is enough for me. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
On 11/02/14 21:47, Ray wrote: Wouldn't that be a 'yellowey' :-) NO: http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/yellowy Richmond. On 2/11/2014 2:03 PM, Richmond wrote: On 11/02/14 20:38, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Ray... This has been a topic, bugaboo and bug report (I think) for a while, but no reason not to do it again. Richmond... WHAT!!??!!! WHT The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used revXMLEndTree. But the debugger? Craig My experience has been that when I run a script and it throws a bluey there's a 'nice' yllow blob that appears against the offending line. That is enough for me. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Those are the bug numbers related to this problem, in response to Jacque's question, one of them is yours of course. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote: Not sure what to make of this reply. On 2/11/2014 1:28 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: 10041 and 11786 Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice to be able to choose. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: WHAT!!??!!! WHT The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used revXMLEndTree. But the debugger? I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program without the debugger? Jaw dropped. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
On 11/02/14 22:24, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: WHAT!!??!!! WHT The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used revXMLEndTree. But the debugger? I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program without the debugger? Jaw dropped. Dunno. Managed it for about 39 years without one. And RR/LC for the last 12 years. As I said earlier: every time I run a script and it has a problem the scriptEditor opens up with a jolly yellow blob exactly where the problem is, and I piss about until it stops doing that. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Thanks Pete - I didn't make the connection for some reason. On 2/11/2014 3:18 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: Those are the bug numbers related to this problem, in response to Jacque's question, one of them is yours of course. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Ray r...@linkit.com wrote: Not sure what to make of this reply. On 2/11/2014 1:28 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: 10041 and 11786 Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice to be able to choose. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Richmond. So if I see an egregious typo, like: putt myVar into someOtherVar then I do what you do. But you never, really never, had to follow the contents of a variable while stepping through a script? Never mind when debugging due to an error, but rather just to see if your plan was sound? I remember in the movie Amadeus, when Salieri was told by Mozart's wife that he made no fair copies of his work, and Salieri, crushed, realized he simply wrote down the music he heard in his head. Craig -Original Message- From: Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:28 pm Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables On 11/02/14 22:24, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: WHAT!!??!!! WHT The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used revXMLEndTree. But the debugger? I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program without the debugger? Jaw dropped. Dunno. Managed it for about 39 years without one. And RR/LC for the last 12 years. As I said earlier: every time I run a script and it has a problem the scriptEditor opens up with a jolly yellow blob exactly where the problem is, and I piss about until it stops doing that. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
I find the way Richmond works kind of fascinating but I work more or less like Jackie does so I feel the script editor is at heart of writing software in Livecode. With this in mind I've posted two bugs lately which will hopefully make it a little easier to get around. 1/31/14, Bug #1176, LC Doesn't Remember Location and Size of Script Editor Window 2/11/14, Bug #11786, Show Globals Preference Doesn't Work On 2/11/2014 3:24 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: WHAT!!??!!! WHT The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used revXMLEndTree. But the debugger? I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program without the debugger? Jaw dropped. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
On 11/02/14 22:36, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richmond. So if I see an egregious typo, like: putt myVar into someOtherVar then I do what you do. But you never, really never, had to follow the contents of a variable while stepping through a script? Never mind when debugging due to an error, but rather just to see if your plan was sound? No, never. Mind you, I tend to model my scripts with children's toys, chess pieces, LEGO, or any other things that come to hand all over the living-room carpet, the school table, or where-ever first of all. I also do most of my programming in bed with a scrap of paper and a pencil within easy reach. About 6 months ago I got in a fight in a very posh restaurant where I had been invited for the wedding breakfast of my lawyer's nephew. The whole thing was well tedious, so, not having a book I got fairly tanked and started having mad ideas, and wrote them down all over the linen table-cloth (not having any paper with me): and finally got involved in an entertaining shouting match with the head waiter when he saw me taking photos of sections of the tablecloth with my mobile phone. This stuff ended up getting rolled into a major rehash of my Devawriter program and meaning that my PISMO program was way more elegant in programming terms than Devawriter ever was. Every time I try to do serious programming from ground zero on a computer I end up reading e-mail messages, farting around on Facebook, and generally getting distracted. Richmond. I remember in the movie Amadeus, when Salieri was told by Mozart's wife that he made no fair copies of his work, and Salieri, crushed, realized he simply wrote down the music he heard in his head. Craig -Original Message- From: Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:28 pm Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables On 11/02/14 22:24, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: WHAT!!??!!! WHT The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used revXMLEndTree. But the debugger? I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program without the debugger? Jaw dropped. Dunno. Managed it for about 39 years without one. And RR/LC for the last 12 years. As I said earlier: every time I run a script and it has a problem the scriptEditor opens up with a jolly yellow blob exactly where the problem is, and I piss about until it stops doing that. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
Jacque wrote: How in the world does one program without the debugger? Simple. Write flawless code on the first go. ;) Jim Lambert ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
On 2/11/14, 3:16 PM, Jim Lambert wrote: Jacque wrote: How in the world does one program without the debugger? Simple. Write flawless code on the first go. ;) Oh, I meant how do other people do it. ;) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Dollar Sign Variables
One way to see variable contents when in debug mode is to hover the mouse over a variable name - a tooltip with its contents appears. Only discovered that a couple of weeks ago. Pete lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richmond. So if I see an egregious typo, like: putt myVar into someOtherVar then I do what you do. But you never, really never, had to follow the contents of a variable while stepping through a script? Never mind when debugging due to an error, but rather just to see if your plan was sound? I remember in the movie Amadeus, when Salieri was told by Mozart's wife that he made no fair copies of his work, and Salieri, crushed, realized he simply wrote down the music he heard in his head. Craig -Original Message- From: Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:28 pm Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables On 11/02/14 22:24, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: WHAT!!??!!! WHT The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used revXMLEndTree. But the debugger? I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program without the debugger? Jaw dropped. Dunno. Managed it for about 39 years without one. And RR/LC for the last 12 years. As I said earlier: every time I run a script and it has a problem the scriptEditor opens up with a jolly yellow blob exactly where the problem is, and I piss about until it stops doing that. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
