Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 14, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Charles E Buchwald wrote:

 I know this is just one more complaint about how broken RevOnline is... But 
 it would be _really_ nice if it worked again.
 
 I just spent 45 minutes figuring out that when you use the revZip external, 
 you sometimes have to enclose your variable names in quotes. As usual I 
 searched the list archives, the forum and Google. As soon as I posted a 
 question in StackOverflow I found the answer in an old forum post.
 
 BUT, I'd love to add a quick comment in the dictionary entry for 
 revZipAddItemWithData, and of course I can't log in to RevOnline, and that 
 prohibits me from adding such a note. A note like that would have saved me an 
 hour of time at least, maybe more. The dictionary is my main reference, so 
 comments and corrections there are a big deal for the way I work. I can't be 
 the only one.
 
 OK, done with my whining….

OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into your 
plugins folder and restart LC. Then if you right-click (or Mac control-click) 
on the first line of a dictionary entry, the one that states the dictionary 
term you are looking at, you'll get the option to show the user note. A palette 
window will open so you can see/edit your note for that dictionary entry, or 
enter one if there isn't one already. Click the save button to save your entry 
or the close button to close without saving.

I just threw this together, so let me know if there are bugs…. The plugin uses 
a frontscript. User notes are saved in an array that is a customprop of the 
plugin stack. Written in LC 5.5, I haven't checked to see if later versions of 
LC have the same dictionary format, let me know about that. (Sorry, like 
Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I do, since that would involve 
updating 32,000 lines of script.)

Available at:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3504108/LCdictPlugin.livecode

As a bonus, you get automatic use of the utility handler popChoose, which 
allows you to call up a context-dependent popup list anywhere in LC. Call it 
like this:

on mouseup tBtn
   if tBtn = 3 then
  put popChoose(Vera,Chuck,Dave) into userChoice
  -- do whatever you want with the user choice here
   else
  -- other mouseup stuff here
   end if

-- Peter

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond

On 27/07/14 17:01, Peter M. Brigham

snip

 (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I do, since that 
would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.)


That is slightly misleading:

My commercial ventures (such as they are: gross income for 2014 = 20 
Euros) are all made with LC 4.5

because I don't have the money to upgrade the commercial version.

My other ventures [ = all the nonsense I lob at the Forums  EFL 
programs for my school are made using anything between 2.2.1 Linux and 
6.6.2 Community]


Were I, for the sake of argument, to suddenly come into lots and lots of 
money I'd buy a cottage by the
sea somewhere in Orkney, The Outer Hebrides or along the north coast of 
Sutherland, possibly near Tongue; and then, if anything were left, I 
would probably NOT buy LC 7.0.0 as I would have also to update a vast 
number of lines of script, unless there was a socking great advantage re 
the sort of

programs I make.


Notwithstanding the above: your LCdictPlugin maybe quick-and-dirty as 
you put it, but I would

rather call it quick-and-gets-the-job-done.

Thanks for that!

Richmond.
-

P.S. Anybody who thinks it would be a good thing if I bought a house 
in any of the places mentioned
above is more than welcome to roll along to my website [ 
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html] and pop the odd 
quarter million into my PayPal account.


Come to think of things; as some chap ran a kickstarter thing to buy a 
pizza, maybe I should run one to buy a house in the far north of Scotland!


If that seems a bit too much of a strain, how about $50 for Devawriter 
Pro, or 20 Euros for Pismo?


snip

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, I wrote:

 OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into your 
 plugins folder and restart LC.

Forgot to say, make sure the plugin is set to open at LC startup.

-- Peter

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richard Gaskin

Peter M. Brigham wrote:

 (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I
 do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.)

I must have missed something, as I've been happily working away in v6 
without ever noticing that my old code wasn't supposed to work.


Can you offer any specifics about what your 32,000 lines are using that 
requires them to be rewritten for v6?


--
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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
 
 ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond

On 27/07/14 17:27, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Peter M. Brigham wrote:

 (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I
 do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.)

I must have missed something, as I've been happily working away in v6 
without ever noticing that my old code wasn't supposed to work.


Can you offer any specifics about what your 32,000 lines are using 
that requires them to be rewritten for v6?




I wonder if that is the thing about numToChar: if so, that is exactly 
the same up to but excluding

the version 7 series.

I am unaware of anything else not being backwards compatible.

Richmond.

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

 Peter M. Brigham wrote:
 
  (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I
  do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.)
 
 I must have missed something, as I've been happily working away in v6 without 
 ever noticing that my old code wasn't supposed to work.
 
 Can you offer any specifics about what your 32,000 lines are using that 
 requires them to be rewritten for v6?

Not sure really. I tried opening my stack system with 6.5 Community and the ask 
password thing wouldn't work so I couldn't proceed, and I decided not to pursue 
it further. Since it works just fine for me and I rely on it completely for 
work, I wasn't willing to take the chance on it corrupting my data. I should 
probably give it another try, maybe you're right and it would only take a 
little tweaking. But most of my tweaking is done in between patients, so I 
don't want to run the risk of encountering a major problem and having my work 
grind to a screeching halt.

-- Peter

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond

On 27/07/14 17:38, Peter M. Brigham wrote:

On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Peter M. Brigham wrote:


(Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I
do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.)

I must have missed something, as I've been happily working away in v6 without 
ever noticing that my old code wasn't supposed to work.

Can you offer any specifics about what your 32,000 lines are using that 
requires them to be rewritten for v6?

Not sure really. I tried opening my stack system with 6.5 Community and the ask 
password thing wouldn't work


ask password; that's probably because you were using password 
protected stacks with the
Community edition: password protection and open source don't like each 
other.


That does not mean you have to update anything, but there are 2 
possibilities:


1. Buy the Commercial version of 6. what-have-you.

2. Remove password protection from your stacks with the Commercial 
version you ow

and open them with the Community version.

Richmond.

snip

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
My stacks are not password protected, I just have an ask password barrier to 
accessing the data. I may be misremembering, so that may not have been the 
problem. I just recall being blocked at the outset and deciding not to bother 
running anything beyond 5.5.1. At some point I'll try it again.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmb...@gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Richmond wrote:

 On 27/07/14 17:38, Peter M. Brigham wrote:
 On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 
 Peter M. Brigham wrote:
 
 (Sorry, like Richmond, I am not using LC 6.x for most of what I
 do, since that would involve updating 32,000 lines of script.)
 I must have missed something, as I've been happily working away in v6 
 without ever noticing that my old code wasn't supposed to work.
 
 Can you offer any specifics about what your 32,000 lines are using that 
 requires them to be rewritten for v6?
 Not sure really. I tried opening my stack system with 6.5 Community and the 
 ask password thing wouldn't work
 
 ask password; that's probably because you were using password protected 
 stacks with the
 Community edition: password protection and open source don't like each other.
 
 That does not mean you have to update anything, but there are 2 possibilities:
 
 1. Buy the Commercial version of 6. what-have-you.
 
 2. Remove password protection from your stacks with the Commercial version 
 you ow
 and open them with the Community version.
 
 Richmond.
 
 snip
 
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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Richmond

On 27/07/14 18:00, Peter M. Brigham wrote:

My stacks are not password protected, I just have an ask password barrier to 
accessing the data. I may be misremembering, so that may not have been the 
problem. I just recall being blocked at the outset and deciding not to bother 
running anything beyond 5.5.1. At some point I'll try it again.

-- Peter




Um, I still have a feeling that any sort of password doesn't go down 
very well with the Community version.


Richmond.

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, I wrote:

 OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into your 
 plugins folder and restart LC.

I realized that with my original plugin it's impossible to tell if you have a 
user note for a given dictionary entry without checking each entry every time 
with a right-click. So I've revised the plugin. It now places a button at the 
top of your revDictionary window (actually a palette stack that moves with the 
dictionary stack) labeled user note. The label appears in red if you have an 
existing note, and in black if you don't. Click on the button to see/enter/edit 
your note. (No popup needed, so popChoose is no longer part of the plugin.)

-- Peter

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, I wrote:

 OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into your 
 plugins folder and restart LC.

I realized that with my original plugin it's impossible to tell if you have a 
user note for a given dictionary entry without checking each entry every time 
with a right-click. So I've revised the plugin. It now places a button at the 
top of your revDictionary window (actually a palette stack that moves with the 
dictionary stack) labeled user note. The label appears in red if you have an 
existing note, and in black if you don't. Click on the button to see/enter/edit 
your note. (No popup needed, so popChoose is no longer part of the plugin.)

still available at:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3504108/LCdictPlugin.livecode

-- Peter

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pmb...@gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter Haworth
Thanks for this Peter, installed and working fine.

I added a couple of things to it

- saving the htmltext of the note into the array so simple formatting is
maintained

- An index of all the user notes in alpha order, accessible by shift
clicking the user note pseudo button.

Pete
lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com
Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and
SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Jul 27, 2014, I wrote:

  OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into
 your plugins folder and restart LC.

 I realized that with my original plugin it's impossible to tell if you
 have a user note for a given dictionary entry without checking each entry
 every time with a right-click. So I've revised the plugin. It now places a
 button at the top of your revDictionary window (actually a palette stack
 that moves with the dictionary stack) labeled user note. The label
 appears in red if you have an existing note, and in black if you don't.
 Click on the button to see/enter/edit your note. (No popup needed, so
 popChoose is no longer part of the plugin.)

 still available at:
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3504108/LCdictPlugin.livecode

 -- Peter

 Peter M. Brigham
 pmb...@gmail.com
 http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter Haworth
Whoops, pressed send too soon.

How can I get this version to you/the list?

Also, I think your array may need to have an extra level of key for the
entry type (command, property, etc) since there are multiple entries in the
dictionary for the same term in some cases (e.g hilite is a command and a
property)

Pete
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Home of lcStackBrowser http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html and
SQLiteAdmin http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Jul 27, 2014, I wrote:

  OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into
 your plugins folder and restart LC.

 I realized that with my original plugin it's impossible to tell if you
 have a user note for a given dictionary entry without checking each entry
 every time with a right-click. So I've revised the plugin. It now places a
 button at the top of your revDictionary window (actually a palette stack
 that moves with the dictionary stack) labeled user note. The label
 appears in red if you have an existing note, and in black if you don't.
 Click on the button to see/enter/edit your note. (No popup needed, so
 popChoose is no longer part of the plugin.)

 still available at:
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3504108/LCdictPlugin.livecode

 -- Peter

 Peter M. Brigham
 pmb...@gmail.com
 http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread larry

Hello Peter,
I went to your link below.
I see what appears to be a LiveCode stack.
Do I have to compile that before I put in the plugins folder?
Sorry, I'm a VERY newbie.
Thanks,
Larry



 OK, here's a quick-and-dirty plugin called LCdictPlugin. Pop it into
your plugins folder and restart LC.

I realized that with my original plugin it's impossible to tell if you
have a user note for a given dictionary entry without checking each entry
every time with a right-click. So I've revised the plugin. It now places 
a
button at the top of your revDictionary window (actually a palette 
stack

that moves with the dictionary stack) labeled user note. The label
appears in red if you have an existing note, and in black if you don't.
Click on the button to see/enter/edit your note. (No popup needed, so
popChoose is no longer part of the plugin.)

still available at:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3504108/LCdictPlugin.livecode




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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

 Whoops, pressed send too soon.
 
 How can I get this version to you/the list?
 
 Also, I think your array may need to have an extra level of key for the
 entry type (command, property, etc) since there are multiple entries in the
 dictionary for the same term in some cases (e.g hilite is a command and a
 property)

Oh, good point. I'll work on that. You can send me your stack by email, just 
zip it first. Or to distribute more widely, post it to Dropbox and circulate 
the public link to the file.

-- Peter

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:21 PM, la...@significantplanet.org wrote:

 Hello Peter,
 I went to your link below.
 I see what appears to be a LiveCode stack.
 Do I have to compile that before I put in the plugins folder?
 Sorry, I'm a VERY newbie.

No, just drop it into your plugins folder and restart LC. On the Mac these days 
the plugins folder is within the LiveCode app package (LiveCode 
xxx.app/Contents/Tools/Plugins/). On Windows the plugins folder should be 
visible with no hassle.

You might want to wait for the finished product (see Peter Hayworth's 
suggestions and improvements). Hopefully in a few days.

-- Peter

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 7/27/2014, 1:31 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:

On the Mac these days the plugins folder is within the LiveCode app
package (LiveCode xxx.app/Contents/Tools/Plugins/). On Windows the
plugins folder should be visible with no hassle.


That folder is meant only for the plugins that ship with LiveCode, and 
if you put custom ones in there they will no longer be found when you 
update to a new version.


The preferred location for user plugins is in a folder named Plugins, 
inside a folder you specify in Preferences in the Files and Memory pane. 
You'll need to create that folder if this is the first plugin you've 
installed.


I've put my plugins folder into Dropbox and pointed all my copies of 
LiveCode to it so that no matter what machine I'm on or what version of 
LiveCode I'm running, they all use the same plugin set. It should be 
inside an enclosing folder that will/can also hold other LiveCode 
resource folders. The path to my LiveCode extensions folder is:


Dropbox/Application Support/Livecode/Plugins/

I manually created all the containing folders.

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 On 7/27/2014, 1:31 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:
 On the Mac these days the plugins folder is within the LiveCode app
 package (LiveCode xxx.app/Contents/Tools/Plugins/). On Windows the
 plugins folder should be visible with no hassle.
 
 That folder is meant only for the plugins that ship with LiveCode, and if you 
 put custom ones in there they will no longer be found when you update to a 
 new version.
 
 The preferred location for user plugins is in a folder named Plugins, inside 
 a folder you specify in Preferences in the Files and Memory pane. You'll need 
 to create that folder if this is the first plugin you've installed.
 
 I've put my plugins folder into Dropbox and pointed all my copies of LiveCode 
 to it so that no matter what machine I'm on or what version of LiveCode I'm 
 running, they all use the same plugin set. It should be inside an enclosing 
 folder that will/can also hold other LiveCode resource folders. The path to 
 my LiveCode extensions folder is:
 
 Dropbox/Application Support/Livecode/Plugins/
 
 I manually created all the containing folders.

Thanks for this, Jacques. I think I knew all this, but the knowledge doesn't 
always get translated into action….

-- Peter

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

 Whoops, pressed send too soon.
 
 How can I get this version to you/the list?
 
 Also, I think your array may need to have an extra level of key for the
 entry type (command, property, etc) since there are multiple entries in the
 dictionary for the same term in some cases (e.g hilite is a command and a
 property)

OK, I implemented your suggestions and the updated stack is still at the same 
location (I'm not re-versioning as I go, just to keep the download URL the 
same):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3504108/LCdictPlugin.livecode

- HTMLtext of notes are stored
- type and term are stored
- index of all notes available via a popup list on shift-clicking the user note 
button

and as a result, popChoose is now back as a built-in bonus.

-- Peter

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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread larry

OK, thanks Peter.
I'll wait for the improvements.
Larry

- Original Message - 
From: Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com

To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: RevOnline  User Comments in the Dictionary



On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:21 PM, la...@significantplanet.org wrote:


Hello Peter,
I went to your link below.
I see what appears to be a LiveCode stack.
Do I have to compile that before I put in the plugins folder?
Sorry, I'm a VERY newbie.


No, just drop it into your plugins folder and restart LC. On the Mac these 
days the plugins folder is within the LiveCode app package (LiveCode 
xxx.app/Contents/Tools/Plugins/). On Windows the plugins folder should be 
visible with no hassle.


You might want to wait for the finished product (see Peter Hayworth's 
suggestions and improvements). Hopefully in a few days.


-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmb...@gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
The latest incarnation is ready to try out, same URL. Do what Jacque said re 
the plugins folder.

-- Peter

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On Jul 27, 2014, at 4:37 PM, la...@significantplanet.org wrote:

 OK, thanks Peter.
 I'll wait for the improvements.
 Larry
 
 - Original Message - From: Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com
 To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
 Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:31 PM
 Subject: Re: RevOnline  User Comments in the Dictionary
 
 
 On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:21 PM, la...@significantplanet.org wrote:
 
 Hello Peter,
 I went to your link below.
 I see what appears to be a LiveCode stack.
 Do I have to compile that before I put in the plugins folder?
 Sorry, I'm a VERY newbie.
 
 No, just drop it into your plugins folder and restart LC. On the Mac these 
 days the plugins folder is within the LiveCode app package (LiveCode 
 xxx.app/Contents/Tools/Plugins/). On Windows the plugins folder should be 
 visible with no hassle.
 
 You might want to wait for the finished product (see Peter Hayworth's 
 suggestions and improvements). Hopefully in a few days.
 
 -- Peter
 
 Peter M. Brigham
 pmb...@gmail.com
 http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
 
 
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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-14 Thread Richard Gaskin

Charles E Buchwald wrote:

 I know this is just one more complaint about how broken RevOnline
 is... But it would be _really_ nice if it worked again.

There's a project in the IDE Contributors section of the forum for 
improving RevOnline:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=67t=20566

One of the key elements there requires work from the core dev team at 
RunRev, the backend system to handle registrations and other aspects of 
account management.


Those apparently got disconnected during a server migration, but as I 
noted in that forum on the 9th I've spoken with Kevin and Ben about this 
during our Community Management meetings and they have someone actively 
working on that now.


Hopefully we'll see that account management system restored soon, and 
with that bottleneck out of the way the other downstream aspects should 
become significantly improved.


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 Richard Gaskin
 LiveCode Community Manager
 rich...@livecode.org


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Re: RevOnline User Comments in the Dictionary

2014-07-14 Thread Charles E Buchwald
Thanks for the update, Richard.

On 14 Jul 2014, at 11:44 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:

 Charles E Buchwald wrote:
 
  I know this is just one more complaint about how broken RevOnline
  is... But it would be _really_ nice if it worked again.
 
 There's a project in the IDE Contributors section of the forum for improving 
 RevOnline:
 http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=67t=20566
 
 One of the key elements there requires work from the core dev team at RunRev, 
 the backend system to handle registrations and other aspects of account 
 management.
 
 Those apparently got disconnected during a server migration, but as I noted 
 in that forum on the 9th I've spoken with Kevin and Ben about this during our 
 Community Management meetings and they have someone actively working on that 
 now.
 
 Hopefully we'll see that account management system restored soon, and with 
 that bottleneck out of the way the other downstream aspects should become 
 significantly improved.
 
 --
 Richard Gaskin
 LiveCode Community Manager
 rich...@livecode.org

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