RE: [on-rev] Diesel Is Down

[Ralph DiMola]

Seems to be back up. I was getting intermittent pings and even the on-rev
status page was hanging while retrieving server status.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [on-rev] Diesel Is Down

Diesel is OK for me. CPanel and sites work. No fixed IP#. Very generic
setup.
.Jerry

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Phil Davis <rev...@pdslabs.net> wrote:
> 
> You're not alone, Ralph!
> 
> When I try to login via ssh, I get this:
>Could not resolve hostname : nodename nor servname
provided, or not known
> 
> When I try to load a page in Chrome, it says the "server DNS address could
not be found".
> 
> So this time you're not a bonehead. :-)  Or else we both are.
> 
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/16/16 11:33 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
>> Anyone else having diesel problems? I notified David with emergency
support request. I hope it's not just me I'll look like a bone-head.
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>> 
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Re: [on-rev] Diesel Is Down

[Jerry Jensen]

Diesel is OK for me. CPanel and sites work. No fixed IP#. Very generic setup.
.Jerry

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Phil Davis <rev...@pdslabs.net> wrote:
> 
> You're not alone, Ralph!
> 
> When I try to login via ssh, I get this:
>Could not resolve hostname : nodename nor servname provided, 
> or not known
> 
> When I try to load a page in Chrome, it says the "server DNS address could 
> not be found".
> 
> So this time you're not a bonehead. :-)  Or else we both are.
> 
> Phil Davis
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/16/16 11:33 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
>> Anyone else having diesel problems? I notified David with emergency support 
>> request. I hope it's not just me I'll look like a bone-head.
>> 
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
>> 
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Re: [on-rev] Diesel Is Down

[Matthias Rebbe]

Just checked a domain of my customer. Diesel is up and running.

Is your site is still not available. If so, do you have a dedicated ip  or is 
your site using Diesesl´s ip?

The site of my customer is Not using a dedicated ip. 

Regards,
Matthias



> Am 16.08.2016 um 20:33 schrieb Ralph DiMola <rdim...@evergreeninfo.net>:
> 
> Anyone else having diesel problems? I notified David with emergency support 
> request. I hope it's not just me I'll look like a bone-head.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
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> 
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[on-rev] Diesel Is Down

[Ralph DiMola]

Anyone else having diesel problems? I notified David with emergency support 
request. I hope it's not just me I'll look like a bone-head.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
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Re: wtf diesel?

[Simon]

Another just arrived... 43 hours late.

Simon



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Re: wtf diesel?

[Mark Wieder]

On 11/20/2015 10:43 AM, Simon wrote:

Another just arrived... 43 hours late.


And no response from support since Monday.

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Re: wtf diesel?

[Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D]

Mark,

that is absolutely untypical. Did you sent a normal support request or did you 
put  URGENT into the subject line or did you use the contact form for emergency 
support requests?

My emergency support requests,regardless if i used the contact form or if i put 
urgent in the subject line, were always answered within 2 or 3 hours. 

Matthias


> Am 20.11.2015 um 21:13 schrieb Mark Wieder :
> 
> On 11/20/2015 10:43 AM, Simon wrote:
>> Another just arrived... 43 hours late.
> 
> And no response from support since Monday.
> 
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RE: wtf diesel?

[Ralph DiMola]

I used the contact form for emergency support requests. I got a response
back last Saturday from David in less than an hour. Things were OK by
Sunday. When diesel went sideways again on Wednesday and last night I again
used the contact form for emergency support requests but have not received
any responses for either of the last 2 emergency support requests. That
being said I see that a few hours after both requests the load on diesel
went back to LOW.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Of Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 4:01 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: wtf diesel?

Mark,

that is absolutely untypical. Did you sent a normal support request or did
you put  URGENT into the subject line or did you use the contact form for
emergency support requests?

My emergency support requests,regardless if i used the contact form or if i
put urgent in the subject line, were always answered within 2 or 3 hours. 

Matthias


> Am 20.11.2015 um 21:13 schrieb Mark Wieder <mwie...@ahsoftware.net>:
> 
> On 11/20/2015 10:43 AM, Simon wrote:
>> Another just arrived... 43 hours late.
> 
> And no response from support since Monday.
> 
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Re: wtf diesel?

[Mark Wieder]

On 11/19/2015 01:26 PM, Simon wrote:

Just received an email sent 18 hours ago.


...and *that* email from you took exactly 24 hours to get to me. I could 
drive over and pick it up in a tenth of the time.



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RE: wtf diesel?

[Simon]

I received a reply from David in 32 minutes today, he said our troubles
should be over, well at least mine ;)

I did notice something else with emails from diesel recently, the amount of
spam I get has been reduced significantly, so much so I thought there was a
problem!

Simon



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Re: wtf diesel?

[Richard Gaskin]

Ralph DiMola wrote:

> I used the contact form for emergency support requests. I got a
> response back last Saturday from David in less than an hour.
> Things were OK by Sunday. When diesel went sideways again on
> Wednesday and last night I again used the contact form for
> emergency support requests but have not received any responses
> for either of the last 2 emergency support requests. That
> being said I see that a few hours after both requests the load
> on diesel went back to LOW.

Any word on why the server load has prolonged spikes?

Is there a user on the affected machines trying to run needlessly 
complicated scripts?


Many years ago there was discussion here about CPU throttling on the 
on-rev servers, as we'd expect with any shared hosting service so a 
single account can't dominate the machine and deny use for others (I 
once heard someone say that they felt it was a reasonable expectation 
that they should be able to run CPU-maxing analytics programs on a 
shared host for 7 or 8 hours at a time )>


It may be helpful to know what causes these unusual server loads.

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Re: wtf diesel?

[Ralph DiMola]

No word from David about what happened.  David probably hasn't had much sleep 
in last few days. I'm sure  he will let us know when he wakes up.


Ralph DiMola
Evergreen Information Services



 Original message From: Richard Gaskin 
<ambassa...@fourthworld.com> Date:11/20/2015  18:38  (GMT-05:00) 
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: wtf 
diesel? 
Ralph DiMola wrote:

> I used the contact form for emergency support requests. I got a
> response back last Saturday from David in less than an hour.
> Things were OK by Sunday. When diesel went sideways again on
> Wednesday and last night I again used the contact form for
> emergency support requests but have not received any responses
> for either of the last 2 emergency support requests. That
> being said I see that a few hours after both requests the load
> on diesel went back to LOW.

Any word on why the server load has prolonged spikes?

Is there a user on the affected machines trying to run needlessly 
complicated scripts?

Many years ago there was discussion here about CPU throttling on the 
on-rev servers, as we'd expect with any shared hosting service so a 
single account can't dominate the machine and deny use for others (I 
once heard someone say that they felt it was a reasonable expectation 
that they should be able to run CPU-maxing analytics programs on a 
shared host for 7 or 8 hours at a time )>

It may be helpful to know what causes these unusual server loads.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  
  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com


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Re: wtf diesel?

[Monte Goulding]

> On 21 Nov 2015, at 10:38 am, Richard Gaskin  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Any word on why the server load has prolonged spikes?
> 
> Is there a user on the affected machines trying to run needlessly complicated 
> scripts?
> 
> Many years ago there was discussion here about CPU throttling on the on-rev 
> servers, as we'd expect with any shared hosting service so a single account 
> can't dominate the machine and deny use for others (I once heard someone say 
> that they felt it was a reasonable expectation that they should be able to 
> run CPU-maxing analytics programs on a shared host for 7 or 8 hours at a time 
> )>
> 
> It may be helpful to know what causes these unusual server loads.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here Richard. David does an admirable 
job managing the on-rev servers considering how hammered they are. FWIW I 
recently moved my domains over to an Ubuntu 14.04 LTS VPS at Linode and have 
been very happy with what they offer. Quite a bit more hands on than on-rev but 
definitely worth the setup time. SSD too which is nice ;-)

Cheers

Monte

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Re: diesel again

[Mark Wieder]

On 11/19/2015 12:50 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

On Thursday, November 19, 2015, Mark Wieder <mwie...@ahsoftware.net> wrote:


Dunno about you, but David has stopped responding to my emails.



Maybe his email account is on diesel too... :-)



Ha! Didn't think of that.
I would hope, though, that the team uses something more robust than on-rev.

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Re: diesel again

[Trevor DeVore]

On Thursday, November 19, 2015, Mark Wieder <mwie...@ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Dunno about you, but David has stopped responding to my emails.
>

Maybe his email account is on diesel too... :-)

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Re: diesel again

[Mark Wieder]

Dunno about you, but David has stopped responding to my emails.

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Re: diesel again

[Mark Wieder]

This looks like fun:

Sent:  Wed, 18 Nov 2015 11:38:43 +
Delivered: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:38:38 +0100

Gotta wonder what emails do when they sit around for a day and a half. 
Hope they brought something to read.


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Re: wtf diesel?

[Simon]

Just received an email sent 18 hours ago.

Simon



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Re: diesel again

[Mark Wieder]

On 11/19/2015 01:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Mark Wieder wrote:

Dunno about you, but David has stopped responding to my emails.


Was that sent to support@, or to David personally?

Heather's tried to remind us gently here a few times that we should
avoid writing to specific individual accounts for support matters
because roles shift, people take vacations, etc., but support@ queues
are shared by multiple staff to cover such occurrences.



Well, that email thread was to support. But you're right, maybe I should 
try contacting David directly.


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Re: diesel again

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Wieder wrote:

Dunno about you, but David has stopped responding to my emails.


Was that sent to support@, or to David personally?

Heather's tried to remind us gently here a few times that we should 
avoid writing to specific individual accounts for support matters 
because roles shift, people take vacations, etc., but support@ queues 
are shared by multiple staff to cover such occurrences.


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RE: wtf diesel?

[Ralph DiMola]

The load on diesel went from high to low around 18:00 EST. It's still low.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:54 AM
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Subject: Re: wtf diesel?

mwieder wrote
> Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.

As of 12 hours ago it was still doing this.
Might still be doing it today.

/Poor Diesel is sick
People think I'm just insane
They got the email/

Simon



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RE: diesel again

[Ralph DiMola]

Mark,

Please do contact Davis directly. Diesel's load is back to HIGH and no mail
is getting sent. I just logged another emergency support request.

Thanks!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
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Subject: Re: diesel again

On 11/19/2015 01:38 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Dunno about you, but David has stopped responding to my emails.
>
> Was that sent to support@, or to David personally?
>
> Heather's tried to remind us gently here a few times that we should 
> avoid writing to specific individual accounts for support matters 
> because roles shift, people take vacations, etc., but support@ queues 
> are shared by multiple staff to cover such occurrences.
>

Well, that email thread was to support. But you're right, maybe I should try
contacting David directly.

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Re: wtf diesel?

[Simon]

mwieder wrote
> Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.

As of 12 hours ago it was still doing this.
Might still be doing it today.

/Poor Diesel is sick
People think I'm just insane
They got the email/

Simon



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Re: diesel again

[Mark Wieder]

On 11/18/2015 11:31 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:

Server load is high and emails are getting delayed. I reported it to David.


Apparently Volkswagen isn't the only one with diesel problems.

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RE: diesel again

[Ralph DiMola]

Very Funny!!

But if it followed VW's lead there should be better performance with less
power use but more heat output.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
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Subject: Re: diesel again

On 11/18/2015 11:31 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> Server load is high and emails are getting delayed. I reported it to
David.

Apparently Volkswagen isn't the only one with diesel problems.

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diesel again

[Ralph DiMola]

Server load is high and emails are getting delayed. I reported it to David.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
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Re: diesel again

[Mark Wieder]

On 11/18/2015 11:48 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:

Very Funny!!

But if it followed VW's lead there should be better performance with less
power use but more heat output.


...and it would be emitting more emails than it let on about and lying 
about its status...


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Re: wtf diesel?

[Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D]

Two or three days ago the On-Rev status page showed a high load of diesel.
Although the server load of diesel is now low again,  it could be that the 
server has to deliver a massive amount of emails which get stuck due to the 
high load.

And this could be the reason why the emails are now coming in w/o order. Newly 
sent emails could be delivered earlier than the “older” ones in the queue.
This is a “normal” behavior after such an event. At least i experienced the 
same behavior on non On-Rev servers also.

Regards,

Matthias


> Am 17.11.2015 um 00:59 schrieb Mark Wieder <mwie...@ahsoftware.net>:
> 
> Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.
> I just received several that were sent on Saturday morning.
> 
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Re: wtf diesel?

[Klaus major-k]

Hi Mark,

> Am 17.11.2015 um 00:59 schrieb Mark Wieder :
> 
> Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.
> I just received several that were sent on Saturday morning.

same here, just send an URGENT mail to support!

> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com

Best

Klaus

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wtf diesel?

[Mark Wieder]

Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.
I just received several that were sent on Saturday morning.

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RE: wtf diesel?

[Ralph DiMola]

Same here. I put in an emergency support request on Saturday because mail
was not getting delivered. David replied in less than an hour and asked me
what email address I was sending to. I answered and told him that it was
this email address. Email was working on Sunday but a slew of the real and
test emails from Saturday were just delivered 1/2 hour ago. Never heard what
the solution was but it did not seem to release the emails that were sent
before it was fixed.

Are your emails still being delivered late? If so I would put in an
emergency on-rev support ticket immediately.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
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Of Mark Wieder
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 6:59 PM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Subject: wtf diesel?

Emails have been arriving out of order and many hours late.
I just received several that were sent on Saturday morning.

-- 
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  ahsoftw...@gmail.com

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Re: Diesel down again?

[Simon]

mwieder wrote
>> Is diesel down again?
> 
> Yeah, they really should name it off-rev instead.

Ouch!
But Yeah, painful to have my main email down all day.
Glad it's back up now. 

Simon



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AW: Diesel down again?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

It's from Volkswagen, needs the diesel patch

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von Mark Wieder
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. November 2015 06:49
An: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Betreff: Re: Diesel down again?

On 11/02/2015 02:30 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:
> Is diesel down again?

Yeah, they really should name it off-rev instead.

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Re: Diesel down again?

[Mark Wieder]

On 11/02/2015 02:30 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:

Is diesel down again?


Yeah, they really should name it off-rev instead.

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Diesel down again?

[Jerry Jensen]

Is diesel down again?


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RE: Diesel down again?

[Ralph DiMola]

Diesel's cPanel is down. 

The MySQL and Web servers are up.

I put in an emergency support request to David.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Subject: Diesel down again?

Is diesel down again?


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Re: Diesel down again?

[Simon]

Down in California

Simon



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Re: Diesel

[Phil Davis]

My pingdom.com notifications tell me it was apparently down from 6:58 PM 
to 8:48 PM Pacific time.


Phil

On 7/15/15 8:06 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:

Oh, poor diesel. Having another conniption fit?
Emergency support request sent.


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Diesel

[Jerry Jensen]

Oh, poor diesel. Having another conniption fit?
Emergency support request sent.


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RE: Diesel is down

[Ralph DiMola]

Saw that. Thanks! It also looks like it's all back up now. I can log into
cPanel and access MySQL server

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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Of Tim Selander
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:33 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Diesel is down

The website/domains on diesel are working though. Pages being served

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan



On 2015/07/10 22:58, Ralph DiMola wrote:
 I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?

 Thanks

 Ralph DiMola
 IT Director
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Re: Diesel is down

[Tim Selander]

Seems to be back up.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


On 2015/07/10 22:58, Ralph DiMola wrote:

I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?

Thanks

Ralph DiMola
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Re: Diesel is down

[Tim Selander]

The website/domains on diesel are working though. Pages being 
served


Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan



On 2015/07/10 22:58, Ralph DiMola wrote:

I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?

Thanks

Ralph DiMola
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Diesel is down

[Ralph DiMola]

I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?

Thanks

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
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Re: Diesel is down

[Tim Selander]

Down here, too.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan



On 2015/07/10 22:58, Ralph DiMola wrote:

I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?

Thanks

Ralph DiMola
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Re: Diesel is down

[Richmond]

Face facts, RunRev's web system: servers, web-pages are totally 
compromised at present, and  unless RunRev gets
its act together really quickly they are going to end up with both mud 
on their faces and a major loss of faith on the

half of their loyal installed base.

It is pretty telling that RunRev are NOT making any sort of obvious 
effort to keep us informed about what is going one, and what
they are doing (if they are doing anything beyond sitting in Edinburgh 
and dithering in the hope that things will just go away) to

rectify what is an extremely bad situation.

Of course cynical types might line up the situation with the servers and 
the website with the fact that they obviously hired a
bloody bad company to do their web-design (about whom they were crowing 
about 2 years ago) resulting in an un-navigable

pig's breakfast . . .

Malice in Wonderland? or

plain incompetence in certain areas which highly skilled software 
developers should not have to concern themselves

and should be taken care of by competent web-designers?  or

some deeper seated malaise? or

a crisis of will?

I don't know what is going on,

BUT, what I do know is that a company that have produced what I believ 
to be one of the most innovative programming environments
that very successfully strikes the balance between traditional 
programming languages and the MIckey Mouse brigade seems to have

lost a very large part of the plot somewhere . . .

. . . blame DDoS attacks if you want . . . but that will only keep 
people off your backs for so long . . . and makes bloody bad advertising 
copy.


-

If one wants to get personal, I was informed that RunRev were going to 
run a feature about my LiveCode classes in my school in

Bulgaria, and was sent a sort of questionnaire . . .

What is the result?

Some thing that does me NO favours at all, is obviously just cobbled 
together out of the answers to my questionnaire coupled
with 2 of the least useful images from my FaceBook page and presented as 
if I had written the thing.


I would NEVER have written something so illiterate and plain bloody bad!

I have worked as a University lecturer in 5 Universities world-wide, and 
that sort of article would not stand up to anything of
that sort for 5 minutes and makes me look like some sort of schoolboy 
hobbyist, which I can quite assure you I am not.


Had I known that the answers to the questionnaire were to be presented 
as an article by myself I would have sat down and spent
at least a day, and probably longer, to produce a credible piece, 
complete with Bibliography, that did justice to what I was doing, instead of
what it ended up as: a squib giving the impression that I was 
dumbing-down programming for a load of dopey children: far from the truth!


I will, after the dust has settled, and my temper [which is UTTERLY 
FILTHY at present] has returned to something like an even keel, write
a PROPER explanation of what I am doing [probably a summary of the paper 
I will be presenting to an academic conference in September]
which I shall append as an appendix to the farcical How to teach 
coding thing in the BLOG.


---

Aye wrang, aye wrang, aye wrang.

An I for yin am fair forjeskit anent ilka o RunRev's recent 
initiatives. An aiblins I'll be awa fae here eftir 14-15 towmonds forbye,

as aa is a richt scunner juist now.

Richmond.

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Re: Diesel is down

[Richard Gaskin]

Richmond wrote:

 Face facts, RunRev's web system: servers, web-pages are totally
 compromised at present

To say the web pages are compromised normally suggests the site was 
hacked, and intruders have control of it.  I haven't seen anything like 
that.


What evidence have you seen of that?

Or did you mean to write something else?


 It is pretty telling that RunRev are NOT making any sort of obvious
 effort to keep us informed about what is going one

A few of us have mentioned this almost daily.  Do you read the 
use-livecode list?



 (if they are doing anything beyond sitting in Edinburgh and
 dithering in the hope that things will just go away)

Of course not, as I've written before.  But since your strong opinions 
on this certainly aren't merely random bad manners, could you kindly 
share with us the benefit of your experience and let us know what you'd 
recommend they do?



 I don't know what is going on

No argument here.  ;)


 . . . blame DDoS attacks if you want

Seems a reasonable thing do to when faced with a DDoS attack.

--
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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
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Re: Diesel is down

[Richmond]

On 10/07/15 22:03, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond wrote:

 Face facts, RunRev's web system: servers, web-pages are totally
 compromised at present

To say the web pages are compromised normally suggests the site was 
hacked, and intruders have control of it.  I haven't seen anything 
like that.


What evidence have you seen of that?

Or did you mean to write something else?


 It is pretty telling that RunRev are NOT making any sort of obvious
 effort to keep us informed about what is going one

A few of us have mentioned this almost daily.  Do you read the 
use-livecode list?


I understood, Richard Gaskin, that your good offices [which are, indeed, 
very good], were offered on a voluntary basis,

not as part of any official RunRev thing.

A service provider (and that is what RunRev now is) that wanted people 
to believe it really cared would be pumping out
hourly bulletins on what it was doing anent its DDos (or whatever it 
really is).





 (if they are doing anything beyond sitting in Edinburgh and
 dithering in the hope that things will just go away)

Of course not, as I've written before.  But since your strong opinions 
on this certainly aren't merely random bad manners,


NO, most definitely not.

Often, my concern runs away with itself and it comes across as bad 
manners, but it is real concern about a programming
suite/language/IDE/RAD/whatever that I care desperateyly about, and have 
invested the last 15 years in learning how to use.


If calling a spade a spade rather than an earth relocation 
instrument is bad manners; then I'm bad mannered.


But being mealy-mouthed only seems to get so far.

could you kindly share with us the benefit of your experience and let 
us know what you'd recommend they do?


Well:

1. Sort out the website so that it has some sort of logical hierarchy 
and is east to navigate and find what one wants.


2. Ensure that web-pages don't disappear without any warning, and that 
some links don't lead to dead ends.


3. Start marketing LiveCode as if they mean it: get it onto CDs attached 
to mags, get it onto TV shows, radio shows, Windows fan websites,

Mac fan websites, Linux fan websites.

4. Get stuff out to ministries of education all across Europe and the 
Americas, Australasia, and, why not? the rest of the world.


5. Set up some sort of certification for training courses so people 
teaching the language don't just give their students pretty certificates

that have no external validity.

6. Stuff the website with nearly every single example of commercial 
software produced using LiveCode so website readers can see

just exactly how wide a range of stuff can be produced using LiveCode.

7. Have special sections of the website where people can see stuff 
produced for iOS and Android with LiveCode; possibly with embedded movies

so they can see them in action.

8. Mirror its services so that a DDoS attack wouldn't have much of an 
effect at all as a backup mirror would kick into place.


9. Listen to the large number of grumps that have appeared with 
increasing frequency, demonstrate that listening is going on,

and respond within as rapid time-frame as possible to those grumps.

10. End of the week, and I am tired, as I'm sure almost everybody else 
is; but I am sure the list could get longer and some folk might like to

help lengthen it.




 I don't know what is going on

No argument here.  ;)


 . . . blame DDoS attacks if you want

Seems a reasonable thing do to when faced with a DDoS attack.


However, many websites that do suffer DDoS attacks seem to get things up 
and running again remarkably quickly . . .


The thing that is a real pity is that Runtime Revolution LiveCode has 
got it, the magical thingy that makes for a programming environment which,
while allowing babies to start producing functional stuff very quickly 
indeed [I have seen that these last few weeks], also has unbelievable
high-level capabilities, and yet it is floating around like some fort of 
flounder at the bottom of the sea when it should be like a shark or a
barracuda up there ripping sh*t out of all the other programming 
languages. It isn't, and I think if we are all honest we have a fairly 
good idea why.


Kevin and his team are brilliant programmers, but their public face is 
just not up to scratch.


I may sing like Caruso, but because my face is like a pig's bottom I am 
just not going to get engagements at La Scala and so on.


Richmond.



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Re: Diesel is down

[Bob Sneidar]

Stop it. I can’t grin any harder! ;-)))

Bob S


On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:03 , Richard Gaskin 
ambassa...@fourthworld.commailto:ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:

 (if they are doing anything beyond sitting in Edinburgh and
 dithering in the hope that things will just go away)

Of course not, as I've written before.  But since your strong opinions on this 
certainly aren't merely random bad manners, could you kindly share with us the 
benefit of your experience and let us know what you'd recommend they do?


 I don't know what is going on

No argument here.  ;)


 . . . blame DDoS attacks if you want

Seems a reasonable thing do to when faced with a DDoS attack.

--
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Re: OT Wordpress installation on On-Rev server Diesel fails

[Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D]

Mark,

thanks for  that info. Was not aware of that.

In the meantime the customer was able to install the „custom“ version of 
Wordpress.

Installation was denied, because i had installed an account wide .htaccess 
firewall some months ago.

This firewall protects against evil exploits, bad requests, and other 
nefarious garbage“.
http://perishablepress.com/5g-blacklist-2013/

I had to disable it for the installation process and enabled it after 
installation.

Matthias

 Am 18.03.2015 um 03:17 schrieb Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net:
 
 Matthias-
 
 Tuesday, March 17, 2015, 3:59:54 PM, you wrote:
 
 one of my customers has a On-Rev account on Diesel. HeŽs trying
 to install Wordpress into it and is getting the following error
 
 Not sure. Diesel has an up-to-date WP installed already. It can be
 added via the control panel. Shouldn't have to install anything.
 
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Re: OT Wordpress installation on On-Rev server Diesel fails

[Mark Wieder]

Matthias-

Wednesday, March 18, 2015, 6:46:54 AM, you wrote:

 Mark,

 thanks for  that info. Was not aware of that.

 In the meantime the customer was able to install the „custom“ version of 
 Wordpress.

Well, I'd be *very* wary of doing that.
I believe the the on-rev servers have the latest version of WP
installed, with the latest security patches in place. WordPress is
notoriously insecure, so you could be letting yourself and other users
on that same server (me, for instance) in for a lot of trouble by
installing a different custom version.

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Re: OT Wordpress installation on On-Rev server Diesel fails

[Mark Wieder]

Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D matthias_livecode_150811@... writes:

 I just checked his installation. And can assure you it´s version 4.1.1.

OK. Sounds like you've got this under control.
But I think if you've installed your own WordPress copy then you're responsible
for keeping it updated, as opposed to running the version on-rev supplies.

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Re: OT Wordpress installation on On-Rev server Diesel fails

[Andrew Kluthe]

Sounds like a file permissions issue to me. Either on the WWW2 directory or
any of the dirs on the way down to install.php

That's where I'd start to look. Maybe it's even got permissions right, but
just owned by another user other than the one running the web server.



On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:

 Hi,

 one of my customers has a On-Rev account on Diesel. He´s trying to install
 Wordpress into it and is getting the following error

 Forbidden
 You don't have permission to access /wp-admin/install.php on this server.
 Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an
 ErrorDocument to handle the request.“

 when he tries to open the wp installer script.
 He added a addon domain which root is ~/public_html/www2. Into the www2
 folder he has copied the complete wordpress stuff.

 Btw: A info.php file which is in the same folder than the installer script
 is executed w/o error.

 Does anyone have a clue what might be wrong?

 Regards,

 Matthias




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Re: OT Wordpress installation on On-Rev server Diesel fails

[Andrew Kluthe]

Oh, I missed the message about the htaccess. That would explain it. ;) It's
trying to protect you from yourself by blocking access to certain kinds of
files (install.php in this case) that might be left over erroneously
post-install.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me wrote:

 Sounds like a file permissions issue to me. Either on the WWW2 directory
 or any of the dirs on the way down to install.php

 That's where I'd start to look. Maybe it's even got permissions right, but
 just owned by another user other than the one running the web server.



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 matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:

 Hi,

 one of my customers has a On-Rev account on Diesel. He´s trying to
 install Wordpress into it and is getting the following error

 Forbidden
 You don't have permission to access /wp-admin/install.php on this server.
 Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use
 an ErrorDocument to handle the request.“

 when he tries to open the wp installer script.
 He added a addon domain which root is ~/public_html/www2. Into the www2
 folder he has copied the complete wordpress stuff.

 Btw: A info.php file which is in the same folder than the installer
 script is executed w/o error.

 Does anyone have a clue what might be wrong?

 Regards,

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Re: OT Wordpress installation on On-Rev server Diesel fails

[Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D]

 Am 18.03.2015 um 19:30 schrieb Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net 
 mailto:mwie...@ahsoftware.net:
 
 Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D matthias_livecode_150811@... writes:
 
 I just checked his installation. And can assure you it´s version 4.1.1.
 
 OK. Sounds like you've got this under control.
 But I think if you've installed your own WordPress copy then you're 
 responsible
 for keeping it updated, as opposed to running the version on-rev supplies.
 

The On-Rev integrated one is updated automatically?
Only security patches or also version upgrades?
I would have no problem with security updates,
but automatically upgrading to newer versions is not what i would want.

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Re: OT Wordpress installation on On-Rev server Diesel fails

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 Am 18.03.2015 um 19:30 schrieb Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net 
 mailto:mwie...@ahsoftware.net:
 
 Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D matthias_livecode_150811@... writes:
 
 I just checked his installation. And can assure you it´s version 4.1.1.
 
 OK. Sounds like you've got this under control.
 But I think if you've installed your own WordPress copy then you're 
 responsible
 for keeping it updated, as opposed to running the version on-rev supplies.
 

The On-Rev integrated one is updated automatically?
Only security patches or also version upgrades?
I would have no problem with security updates,
but automatically upgrading to newer versions is not what i would want.

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Re: OT Wordpress installation on On-Rev server Diesel fails

[Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D]

I just checked his installation. And can assure you it´s version 4.1.1.
With custom  i meant, Wordpress and other needed files.
The customer has hired a professional Wordpress developer with several years of 
experience. This guy wanted to upload/install by his own to be sure all needed 
files are there. So i am confident that there is no security risk except the 
ones which might be in 4.1.1.

Regards,

Matthias




 Am 18.03.2015 um 16:10 schrieb Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net:
 
 Matthias-
 
 Wednesday, March 18, 2015, 6:46:54 AM, you wrote:
 
 Mark,
 
 thanks for  that info. Was not aware of that.
 
 In the meantime the customer was able to install the „custom“ version of 
 Wordpress.
 
 Well, I'd be *very* wary of doing that.
 I believe the the on-rev servers have the latest version of WP
 installed, with the latest security patches in place. WordPress is
 notoriously insecure, so you could be letting yourself and other users
 on that same server (me, for instance) in for a lot of trouble by
 installing a different custom version.
 
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Re: OT Wordpress installation on On-Rev server Diesel fails

[Simon Smith]

All versions of WordPress after 3.7 auto update (only minor and security
updates)

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D 
matthias_livecode_150...@m-r-d.de wrote:


  Am 18.03.2015 um 19:30 schrieb Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net
 mailto:mwie...@ahsoftware.net:
 
  Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D matthias_livecode_150811@... writes:
 
  I just checked his installation. And can assure you it´s version 4.1.1.
 
  OK. Sounds like you've got this under control.
  But I think if you've installed your own WordPress copy then you're
 responsible
  for keeping it updated, as opposed to running the version on-rev
 supplies.
 

 The On-Rev integrated one is updated automatically?
 Only security patches or also version upgrades?
 I would have no problem with security updates,
 but automatically upgrading to newer versions is not what i would want.

 Matthias

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Re: OT Wordpress installation on On-Rev server Diesel fails

[Mark Wieder]

Matthias-

Tuesday, March 17, 2015, 3:59:54 PM, you wrote:

 one of my customers has a On-Rev account on Diesel. HeŽs trying
 to install Wordpress into it and is getting the following error

Not sure. Diesel has an up-to-date WP installed already. It can be
added via the control panel. Shouldn't have to install anything.

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OT Wordpress installation on On-Rev server Diesel fails

[Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D]

Hi,

one of my customers has a On-Rev account on Diesel. He´s trying to install 
Wordpress into it and is getting the following error

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /wp-admin/install.php on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an 
ErrorDocument to handle the request.“

when he tries to open the wp installer script.
He added a addon domain which root is ~/public_html/www2. Into the www2 folder 
he has copied the complete wordpress stuff.

Btw: A info.php file which is in the same folder than the installer script is 
executed w/o error.

Does anyone have a clue what might be wrong?

Regards,

Matthias




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Re: diesel

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Wieder wrote:

 Actually, I see from the status page that *all* on-rev's servers are
 down.
 Nice.

It shows OK across the board for me:
http://on-rev.com/support/server-status/

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Re: diesel

[Mark Wieder]

Richard-

Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 7:18:33 AM, you wrote:

 It shows OK across the board for me:
 http://on-rev.com/support/server-status/

Yeah.
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Re: diesel

[dwilliams]

Dear Mark,

Happily none of the servers were down on this occasion. As I explained  
to you when I responded to your ticket on on-rev, the issue you saw  
was that the status page itself was down for a period, and I'm glad to  
say I was able to rectify this for you when it was reported via the  
Urgent ticketing system. 


I see that you have now submitted a ticket mentioning an issue with  
your email, which I am now dealing with for you.


Instances of our servers being down or other major incidents affecting  
customers have enormously reduced since the successful transfer of our  
entire hosting operation to the new service. We continue to work on  
improving our systems to ensure ever greater reliability. I will look  
at introducing a new stat on the status page showing percentage uptime  
of our servers. 


As we have mentioned in the past, the best place to get issues  
resolved with on-rev is via our ticketing system, we do not  
necessarily routinely monitor this list, especially at night.


Warm Regards,

David

Quoting Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net:


Richard-

Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 7:18:33 AM, you wrote:


It shows OK across the board for me:
http://on-rev.com/support/server-status/


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Re: diesel

[Mark Wieder]

 dwilliams@... writes:

 Happily none of the servers were down on this occasion. As I explained  
 to you when I responded to your ticket on on-rev, the issue you saw  
 was that the status page itself was down for a period, and I'm glad to  
 say I was able to rectify this for you when it was reported via the  
 Urgent ticketing system. 
 
 I see that you have now submitted a ticket mentioning an issue with  
 your email, which I am now dealing with for you.

It's the same ticket, just an update to your response. As I mentioned in
that ticket, diesel email was unresponsive for 15 hours yesterday. I don't
look at the status page unless things aren't working, so for the most part I
don't care what it shows. When I did look at it, the status of diesel showed
Down/Warning, which corresponded with the symptoms. My problem isn't with
the status display, but with the loss of service.

 
 Instances of our servers being down or other major incidents affecting  
 customers have enormously reduced since the successful transfer of our  
 entire hosting operation to the new service. We continue to work on  
 improving our systems to ensure ever greater reliability. I will look  
 at introducing a new stat on the status page showing percentage uptime  
 of our servers.

If, as you say, the servers were actually up and running at the time of the
outage, then I fail to see how an uptime display will help.

 
 As we have mentioned in the past, the best place to get issues  
 resolved with on-rev is via our ticketing system, we do not  
 necessarily routinely monitor this list, especially at night.

My posting here was to alert other users to the problem, not to get your
attention. That I did through issuing a trouble ticket.

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Re: diesel

[Bob Sneidar]

Good thing I just deployed a mySQL server on a computer I was given from my 
last place of employ. I had On-Rev crap out on my in the middle of a proof of 
concept meeting. That was not pretty nor was it comfortable. 

Bob


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 Actually, I see from the status page that *all* on-rev's servers are down.
 Nice.
 
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diesel

[Mark Wieder]

Diesel's email is kaput again.
Just fyi, in case anyone cares.
I realize runrev doesn't.

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Re: diesel

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Actually, I see from the status page that *all* on-rev's servers are down.
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Re: [on-rev] Problem with revIgniter on DIESEL - any clue!?

[Robert Mann]

Thanks for the info. So far David could not solve the problem on DIESEL, my
account has been moved to TIO where everything works fine! Mystery,
mystery..!




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Re: [on-rev] Problem with revIgniter on DIESEL - any clue!?

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On 9/6/13 10:31 AM, Robert Mann wrote:

1) what kind of server is diesel :: is it a mac os x? what version of OS X?



I manage an account on diesel. When I SSH into it, I see this info:

CentOS release 6.4 (Final)
Linux diesel.on-rev.com 3.8.13--grs-ipv6-64 #3 SMP Fri May 31 
13:26:19 CEST 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux


server: 349186
hostname  : diesel.on-rev.com
eth0 IPv4 : 46.105.105.217
eth0 IPv6 : 2001:41d0:2:d8d9::1/64

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[on-rev] Problem with revIgniter on DIESEL - any clue!?

[Robert Mann]

My revIgniter sites throw an error related to file paths since the last few
last days.
I have looked in revIgniter files to identify the problem. Checked the
confif files were OK.
Could find no clue except this possible bug 9869 *depending on the server
version*.

I asked david at on-rev support to check these question and am still waiting
although I really would need these sites to run for tomorrow saterday!!!

If anybody has experiences the same kind of problem please do tell me. It
would be surprising that they installed a different version of rev server
just for my account if that turned out to be the culprit.

the Syndrom is an error message with a really wrong path like :

file /home/rman/public_html/groovyarch.com/index.irev
  row 53, col 1: include: could not find file
(/home/rman/public_html/revIgniter/system/revigniter/../revIgniter/system/revigniter/Common.irev)
file
/home/rman/public_html/groovyarch.com/../revIgniter/system/revigniter/RevIgniter.irev

It seems that revIgniter is not getting the same file and path information
as used to be
the full path /home/rman/public_html/groovyarch.com/ is added in the front
hence the problem.

and this happens at the start of the operation prior to reading the actual
web application.

possible source :: 
There is a bug (9869) in LiveCode Server confirmed by RunRev. LiveCode
Server versions
4.6.3 up to 5.0.2 have two incorrect path environment variables on Lion and
Mountain
Lion. These variables are:

$_SERVER[\PATH_TRANSLATED\]
$_SERVER[\PATH_INFO\]
As revIgniter is heavily dependent on path variables this means that there
is no way
to run revIgniter using the said OS / server versions.
Note: This issue is fixed in LiveCode Server release: 6.0.0-rc-1.  

so questions pending :
0) when has my account being transferred from odin to diesel? And if not
recently, if
the server has been transferred to another ISP lately?

1) what kind of server is diesel :: is it a mac os x? what version of OS X?

2) if mac os X with LION or MOUNTAIN LION :: WHAT VERSION of live code
server is
running on diesel :: there was a bug in previous versions on mac os x
servers.

3) if that is positive, then cure the problem by installing latest live code
server 6
that fixes that issue.

If any of you guys had any part of that info.. please do forward, thanks!

good day,
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Re: [on-rev] Problem with revIgniter on DIESEL - any clue!?

[stephen barncard]

64 bit !


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Phil Davis rev...@pdslabs.net wrote:


 On 9/6/13 10:31 AM, Robert Mann wrote:

 1) what kind of server is diesel :: is it a mac os x? what version of OS
 X?


 I manage an account on diesel. When I SSH into it, I see this info:

 CentOS release 6.4 (Final)
 Linux diesel.on-rev.com 3.8.13--grs-ipv6-64 #3 SMP Fri May 31
 13:26:19 CEST 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

 server: 349186
 hostname  : diesel.on-rev.com
 eth0 IPv4 : 46.105.105.217
 eth0 IPv6 : 2001:41d0:2:d8d9::1/64

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