Re: Offset from End?

[FlexibleLearning]

Is there a way to get the itemOffset starting from the end of a text block?
Didn't appear to be an answer in the archives...


num of items of tText - itemOffset(tStr,tText) ?

/H

RE: Using Valentina Locally, Switching to MySQL on Server`

[Pierre Sahores]

Le sam 27/09/2003 à 05:34, Ken Ray a écrit :
> Dan, just curious... why start with Valentina and switch to MySQL
> instead of using Valentina Server? I know it's in beta right now, but
> I've been using it for awhile and it seems to work quite well for me and
> my client. It's not as robust as MySQL, but it is multi-user, has locked
> records, etc. and wouldn't require switching from one DB to another.
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

Hi Dan, Ken, List,

Agreed. Else, in taking care about the details : as generic as possible
ANSI SQL statements, casual management of the access to both the local
(even CD hosted) and/or networked datasources, usage of Valentina Server
or PostgreSQL instead of MySQL to get the best SQL statements
compatibility between the two kind of datasources..., it will, for sure,
be ways to build great and usefull local/networked online updatables
multimedia and ebooks encyclopedia solutions.

Bests, Pierre
> 
> > -Original Message-
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> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer
> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 8:00 PM
> > To: Revolution List
> > Subject: Using Valentina Locally, Switching to MySQL on Server`
> > 
> > 
> > Is it a logical design approach to build a product so that as a 
> > stand-alone, it relies on Valentina but when deployed in a multi-user 
> > networked environment, it switches to a central MySQL (or similar) 
> > database? Would it be easy to compartmentalize the back end such that 
> > the move from one to the other could be fairly transparent?
> > 
> > 
> > ~~
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Re: creating a Unicode (UTF-8) file using open/write/close file

[Dar Scott]

On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 10:10 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

That did it!
I am shocked!

  return numToChar(abs(baseConvert("FEFF",16,10)))
BTW, the abs() is only needed to get around a baseConvert() bug in the 
general case, which this is not.  Also, you can figure out the constant 
expression in the message box, so this line might be shortened to this:

   return numToChar(65279) -- FEFF

Thanks!
You are welcome.  I hope it works on other platforms.

Dar Scott


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Re: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1953 - 18 msgs

[Scott Rossi]

>> Is there a way to get the itemOffset starting from the end of a text
>> block?
> 
> Scott, would this work for you?
> 
> function endItemOffset jTargetText,jTextBlock
>return (the number of items of jTextBlock) -
> (itemOffset(jTargetText,jTextBlock) - 1)
> end endItemOffset

It might if the textBlock used a single character delimiter (such as a
comma), but I need to get the next-to-last itemOffset of a chunk.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Regards,

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Re: creating a Unicode (UTF-8) file using open/write/close file

[Trevor DeVore]

Dar,

That did it!  The following code create a file that was read as a UTF8 
file by BBEdit:

on mouseUp
  set useUnicode to true
  put "/Users/trevordevore/Desktop/config.xml" into tPath
  open file tPath for binary write
  write uniDecode (bom() & the unicodeText of field 1, "UTF8") to file 
tPath
  close file tPath
end mouseUp

function bom
  set the useUnicode to true
  return numToChar(abs(baseConvert("FEFF",16,10)))
end bom
Thanks!

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Blue Mango Multimedia
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On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 05:52  PM, Dar Scott wrote:

On Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 08:38 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

I get a file that Flash MX reads without a problem.  BBEdit still 
doesn't recognize it but I will mess around with adding the BOM to 
the file and see if that helps.  Now I just need to find a way to get 
file paths in unicode and I will have a unicode friendly application.
Try putting the BOM before the unicode and then convert to UTF-8.

(BTW, as you probably noticed, I got the bytes swapped in my earlier 
suggestion for creating the BOM.  The principle still might work.

function bom
  set the useUnicode to true
  return numToChar(abs(baseConvert("FEFF",16,10)))
end if
Or something like that.

Or simply use the three byte UTF-8 version.)

Dar Scott
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RE: Using Valentina Locally, Switching to MySQL on Server`

[Ken Ray]

Dan, just curious... why start with Valentina and switch to MySQL
instead of using Valentina Server? I know it's in beta right now, but
I've been using it for awhile and it seems to work quite well for me and
my client. It's not as robust as MySQL, but it is multi-user, has locked
records, etc. and wouldn't require switching from one DB to another.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 8:00 PM
> To: Revolution List
> Subject: Using Valentina Locally, Switching to MySQL on Server`
> 
> 
> Is it a logical design approach to build a product so that as a 
> stand-alone, it relies on Valentina but when deployed in a multi-user 
> networked environment, it switches to a central MySQL (or similar) 
> database? Would it be easy to compartmentalize the back end such that 
> the move from one to the other could be fairly transparent?
> 
> 
> ~~
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> Author of forthcoming 3-book set,
> "Revolution: Programming at the Speed of Thought" 
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RE: Using Valentina Locally, Switching to MySQL on Server`

[Monte Goulding]

> On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 10:47  PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
> 
> >
> > If you use the Rev database API and don't use Valentina's 
> > Object-Relational
> > features then yes. Personally I'm hoping that SQLite external is on 
> > it's
> > way.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Monte
> 
> wow, is someone working on a SQLite external???

Think so... Was it a list member with Tuviah's assistance

Cheers

Monte

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Re: Using Valentina Locally, Switching to MySQL on Server`

[Andre Garzia]

On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 10:47  PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

If you use the Rev database API and don't use Valentina's 
Object-Relational
features then yes. Personally I'm hoping that SQLite external is on 
it's
way.

Cheers

Monte
wow, is someone working on a SQLite external???

Cheers



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RE: Using Valentina Locally, Switching to MySQL on Server`

[Monte Goulding]

> Is it a logical design approach to build a product so that as a
> stand-alone, it relies on Valentina but when deployed in a multi-user
> networked environment, it switches to a central MySQL (or similar)
> database? Would it be easy to compartmentalize the back end such that
> the move from one to the other could be fairly transparent?

If you use the Rev database API and don't use Valentina's Object-Relational
features then yes. Personally I'm hoping that SQLite external is on it's
way.

Cheers

Monte

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RE: OT Lindows and Knoppix on Australian Mags' CDs

[Monte Goulding]

>
> This may be of interest to Oz Revvers:
>
> Australian Personal Computer (October) has Lindows OS 4.0 CD (yeah, I know
> that's probably and older vers).
> Complete with instr and also how to make a portable version on a 128MB USB
> mem key and take it with you whereever, school, uni, cafe,work.
>
> Australian PC World (October) has Knoppix 3.2 CD.
>
> Both full versions.

Good to know. I'll just pop down to the newsagent ;-)

Although Alex has just put my CD in the post ;-)

Cheers

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Using Valentina Locally, Switching to MySQL on Server`

[Dan Shafer]

Is it a logical design approach to build a product so that as a 
stand-alone, it relies on Valentina but when deployed in a multi-user 
networked environment, it switches to a central MySQL (or similar) 
database? Would it be easy to compartmentalize the back end such that 
the move from one to the other could be fairly transparent?

~~
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Author of forthcoming 3-book set,
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Re: Saving encrypted customProperties outside the app?

[Mark Brownell]

On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 09:51  AM, Alex Rice wrote:

* Mark Brownell has written a Blowfish encryption engine in 
transcript. You could use blowfish to encrypt the entire data stack, 
instead of using Rev's password scheme.
I'm working on a method to encapsulate complete data chunks as 
individual parts. One way to do this would be to use a pull parser to 
get one part at a time. Example:


  encrypted data here...

In this text file example my encrypted data is htmlText where I 
deliberately remove line breaks, return numToChar(13) & numToChar(10) 
So later when a cross-platform file is decrypted "" & return is used 
to replace ""

One implementation could be to save each page's encrypted data in an 
array that is savable in a customProperty. The reason I mention all 
this is Blowfish takes about a half a second to build the encryption 
boxes that are used to encrypt and decrypt data. If the data is 
encrypted in smaller sized user chunks then a Transcript/Blowfish is 
not noticed much. It can slow things down when you attempt to encrypt 
an entire data source all at once.

Contact me off list if you are interested in getting 
Transcript/Blowfish.

Mark Brownell

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Re: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1953 - 18 msgs

[HangTime]

Is there a way to get the itemOffset starting from the end of a text 
block?
Scott, would this work for you?

function endItemOffset jTargetText,jTextBlock
return (the number of items of jTextBlock) - 
(itemOffset(jTargetText,jTextBlock) - 1)
end endItemOffset

Hope it helps  --HangTime [Will Compute for Food]  B-)>

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Re: OT Lindows and Knoppix on Australian Mags' CDs

[Pat Trendler]

This may be of interest to Oz Revvers:

Australian Personal Computer (October) has Lindows OS 4.0 CD (yeah, I know
that's probably and older vers).
Complete with instr and also how to make a portable version on a 128MB USB
mem key and take it with you whereever, school, uni, cafe,work.

Australian PC World (October) has Knoppix 3.2 CD.

Both full versions.



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Re: creating a Unicode (UTF-8) file using open/write/close file

[Dar Scott]

On Thursday, September 25, 2003, at 08:38 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

I get a file that Flash MX reads without a problem.  BBEdit still 
doesn't recognize it but I will mess around with adding the BOM to the 
file and see if that helps.  Now I just need to find a way to get file 
paths in unicode and I will have a unicode friendly application.
Try putting the BOM before the unicode and then convert to UTF-8.

(BTW, as you probably noticed, I got the bytes swapped in my earlier 
suggestion for creating the BOM.  The principle still might work.

function bom
  set the useUnicode to true
  return numToChar(abs(baseConvert("FEFF",16,10)))
end if
Or something like that.

Or simply use the three byte UTF-8 version.)

Dar Scott
unicode sophomore 

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Re: Unicode problem with Simplified Chinese

[Dar Scott]

On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 12:39 PM, Callum Brines wrote:

put uniEncode(gTagFile,"SimpleChinese") into gTagFile
How are you getting the field contents into gTagFile?

I have seen for Japanese that "the text of" a field is not the same as 
"the unicodeText of" a field.  For Japanese, the space and line-end 
(ascii line-feed) are single bytes in "the text of" and double-bytes in 
"the unicodeText of".

Dar Scott
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Re: Unicode problem with Simplified Chinese

[Dar Scott]

On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 12:39 PM, Callum Brines wrote:

When the tagged file is imported into InDesign,  the Chinese character 
E4B88A (UTF8; 4E0A Hex) is appearing as E4B88D (4E0D Hex). All the 
other Chinese characters are okay.
I don't think 4E0A is a single UTF-8 character.  Same with 4E0D.  Did 
you mean some other encoding scheme?

(I'm just learning about unicode, so my knowledge is at a dangerous 
level.)

Dar Scott

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RE: Starting Lindows

[Pierre Sahores]

Le ven 26/09/2003 à 22:59, Scott Slaugh a écrit :
> >Alex is correct. If you've run into problems (I've heard this happens with
> >some onboard display controllers), it will automatically stay in 
> >Diagnostics
> >mode. If you want an answer, please consult the Lindows forum and use the
> >"Guest" message board. I've found it to be most helpful.
> 
> I'll look at that.  I was trying to run the CD in VMWare, rather than on a 
> real machine.  I'll have to go home and try the CD on my actual PC.
> 
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Hi List,

Hum ! LindowsCD lacks to start XFree86/KDE because incompatibilities
with the NVIDIA Geoforce4 420 Go video card of my chipest Sony Vaio PCG
laptop...

As an off-subject info, Suse 8.0 is full compatible with this "so
special" NVIDIA Geoforce 4 420 Go but Suse 8.2 is less compatible with
the same card ; the NVIDIA binary linux driver run fine under Suse 8.0
but can't install under Suse 8.2.

Any one interested in purchasing a x86 box/laptop to run any Linux
distro will get a best XFree86 usability in avoiding any NVIDIA video
drived computer...

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Re: Saving encrypted customProperties outside the app?

[Alex Rice]

On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 03:38  PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Weird perhaps, but functional and available now.

Thanks for the clarification Richard.

For the future it seems useful to have another level of protection for
custom props, but the hard part is coming up with a way for the engine  
to be
able to get and set properties in your standalone without having the  
Rev IDE
or stacks from intruders read them.   If you come up with a solution
Bugzilla an ehancement request for it.
 From my perspective the whole password+encryption mechanism  
convoluted. Some aspects are encrypted, some aren't, some aspects are  
password protected, some aren't. The engine itself has elevated  
privileges and can open, run and edit almost all aspects of a  
supposedly encrypted stack. Something just doesn't seem right about  
this.

I would like to see a stack protection feature that does encryption-  
through and through. In order to open, run, read, edit, *do anything*  
no matter if via engine or via IDE, first one would first have to  
authenticate. It could be password authentication or public key  
authentication. Authentication could be done by prompting the user, or  
done by a script in an already running stack.

Maybe a good idea for a 3rd party plugin. The ABC framework for Cocoa  
programming has something like this- encrypted media bundles you can  
ship inside your app bundle.

Sorry for rambling,

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[OT] - Off Topic - RE: Starting Lindows

[Gary Rathbone]

Any chance we can use an Off Topic tab so I can skip all this non-Rev stuff?
Thanks
Gary Rathbone



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> Subject: RE: Starting Lindows
> 
> >Alex is correct. If you've run into problems (I've heard this happens
> with
> >some onboard display controllers), it will automatically stay in
> >Diagnostics
> >mode. If you want an answer, please consult the Lindows forum and use the
> >"Guest" message board. I've found it to be most helpful.
> 
> I'll look at that.  I was trying to run the CD in VMWare, rather than on a
> real machine.  I'll have to go home and try the CD on my actual PC.
> 
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Re: Unicode problem with Simplified Chinese

[Kenji Kojima]

Callum Brines wrote:

When the tagged file is imported into InDesign,  the Chinese character 
E4B88A (UTF8; 4E0A Hex) is appearing as E4B88D (4E0D Hex). All the 
other Chinese characters are okay.

Can anyone verify this for me? Is this a bug?
I do not know Simplified Chinese, but Unicode 4E0A has a problem in 
Japanese.
http://www.kenjikojima.com/runrev/bugReport/unicodeChars.jpg

These characters contain a return element. If there are 3 characters
of them in the first line, Rev counts the first line is three lines.
I reported it in April.

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Re: Saving encrypted customProperties outside the app?

[Richard Gaskin]

Alex Rice wrote:

> The only custom property requiring a password in the IDE is
> the script property. Therefore the weird workarounds that were posted
> about base64encoding custom properties and putting them into the script
> property of a control.

Weird perhaps, but functional and available now.


For the future it seems useful to have another level of protection for
custom props, but the hard part is coming up with a way for the engine to be
able to get and set properties in your standalone without having the Rev IDE
or stacks from intruders read them.   If you come up with a solution
Bugzilla an ehancement request for it.

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Re: Saving encrypted customProperties outside the app?

[Alex Rice]

On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 02:26  PM, Robert Hyde wrote:

All this speedy input is great!  Unfortunately, I have not been able 
to test any of this out this afternoon.  And I am not familiar with 
Emacs, is it associated with Rev?
No it's just a text editor that happily works with binary files. It's 
what I was using to look at my data stack on disk.

Because I don't want anyone to be able to read the custompropertysets 
in Rev either.  And every time I opened one of the afore-mentioned 
stacks within Rev, I can see all of the customproperties even though I 
have to enter the correct password to get to the code.  At least at 
2.02.  But I will explore dumping the customproperties into a script 
as well as the blowfish option for sure.  So after setting the 
password to "something" were the customproperties for both text and 
binary encrypted?  And again, thank you for all the help!
As Richard clarified for me, even though the custom properties ARE 
encrypted in the data stack written to disk, someone with a Rev IDE can 
open the stack and read the custom properties without entering the 
password. The only custom property requiring a password in the IDE is 
the script property. Therefore the weird workarounds that were posted 
about base64encoding custom properties and putting them into the script 
property of a control.

Remaining questions for me:

If the password itself is not part of the encryption scheme, then why 
is a side effect of setting the password to encrypt the stack when 
written to disk?

If the password is not part of the encryption scheme, then at least 
give us a little information about how secure or insecure this stack 
encryption scheme is?

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RE: Starting Lindows

[Scott Slaugh]

Alex is correct. If you've run into problems (I've heard this happens with
some onboard display controllers), it will automatically stay in 
Diagnostics
mode. If you want an answer, please consult the Lindows forum and use the
"Guest" message board. I've found it to be most helpful.
I'll look at that.  I was trying to run the CD in VMWare, rather than on a 
real machine.  I'll have to go home and try the CD on my actual PC.

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Saving encrypted customProperties outside the app?

[Robert Hyde]

All this speedy input is great!  Unfortunately, I have not been able to test 
any of this out this afternoon.  And I am not familiar with Emacs, is it 
associated with Rev?  Because I don't want anyone to be able to read the 
custompropertysets in Rev either.  And every time I opened one of the 
afore-mentioned stacks within Rev, I can see all of the customproperties 
even though I have to enter the correct password to get to the code.  At 
least at 2.02.  But I will explore dumping the customproperties into a 
script as well as the blowfish option for sure.  So after setting the 
password to "something" were the customproperties for both text and binary 
encrypted?  And again, thank you for all the help!

Robert

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On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 10:51  AM, Alex Rice wrote:
I read somewhere that the Rev password mechanism uses an encryption scheme 
that only works with text. I wonder why? Anyways I guess that's why it 
skips custom properties but encrypts scripts. Does it encrypt custom 
properties that are textual? I guess it would *have to* to otherwise fld 
text properties and control script properties would not get encrypted at 
all.
Hmm... maybe it's time to reexamine assumptions here. Or maybe I'm
confused. I did some testing and it appears to me both textual and
binary custom properties are encrypted- so there is no need to
base64encode stuff and put it into another custom property.
-- create test stack
set the uTextProp of this stack to "hello world"
set the uBinProp of this stack to the md5digest of "hello world"
-- save stack as test.rev
-- look at test.rev in Emacs:
-- See the following text, which shows both custom properties and their
values. The value for uBinProp  is mostly the same characters that are
displayed in the properties inspector in Rev- so we are seeing both of
the custom properties unencrypted:
-- uTextProp  hello world  uBinProp  ^∂;ª‡Ó–ìÀ"ªèZÕ√
-- now try encrypting the stack
set the password of this stack to "something"
-- save stack
-- look at test.rev in Emacs
-- See what appears to be encrypted content for both the text property
and the binary property:
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Re: Lindows teaser

[Barry Levine]

The words I keyed in on were "without having to install anything". I 
erroneously thought it would permit me to do so once I decided I liked 
it. *sigh*

So, do you think that, for $50, we can actually write apps for this OS 
and, more importantly, get paid by them for doing so?

Barry

On Friday, Sep 26, 2003, at 12:33 America/Denver, Alex wrote:

Looks like the Lindows CD .iso file is, indeed, a teaser CD. No
installation is possible.
I thought that was kind of implied in Chipp's original email;

"""They also have a $29 CD which runs ENTIRELY off the CD on Intel
machines --so, you can try it out if you like, without having to 
install
anything."""
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RE: Lindows CD - It's a teaser

[Chipp Walters]

Alex,

Good point. I'm told they're working on such features for LindowsCD (it's
relatively new at this time). You might want to check out Lindows
BusinessStation, which is interesting in that it queries a server on startup
and loads specific internet aware apps.

BTW, you can right-click on the desktop in LindowsCD and add Hard Drive and
point it to your WinXP drive, then access the files there.

-Chipp

> I am a little surprised that LindowsCD doesn't have this cool feature
> available on Knoppix- the ability to designate a small disk partition
> to use for your home directory or other persistent storage, and mount
> that volume when running from the CD. Maybe it's there in Lindows and I
> overlooked it?
>
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Re: hiding objects

[Ken Norris]

Hi Lars,

> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:34:18 +0200
> Subject: hiding objects
> From: Lars Brehmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Quick question:
> 
> Is it possible to script a button so that when clicked it hides a
> button that occurs on on every card in a stack?
--
Group it with Background behavior, then you can hide and show the group.
__
> The name and label of
> the button are the same on every cloned card, but each occurance is
> given a differnt object number.
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Why? Does they really have to have separate numbers?

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RE: OS Funnies

[Pierre Sahores]

Le ven 26/09/2003 à 20:15, Ken Ray a écrit :
> LOL! 
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick
> Gilmartin
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: OS Funnies
> 
> 
> Thought this might help start off the weekend right.  I have been
> spending more time working with different Servers and OSes, and a friend
> sent this to me.
> 
> If Operating Systems Ran The Airlines 
> IF OPERATING SYSTEMS RAN THE AIRLINES
> 
> UNIX Airways:
> 
> Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come
> to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put the
> plane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what
> kind of plane they are supposed to be building.
> 
> Air DOS:
> 
> Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump
> on and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again.
> Then they push again, jump on again, and so on ...
> 
> Mac Airlines:
> 
> All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents
> look and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions
> about details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't
> need to know, don't want to know, and everything will be done
> for you without your ever having to know, so just shut up.
> 
> Windows Air:
> 
> The terminal is pretty and colorful, with friendly stewards,
> easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After
> about 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning
> whatsoever.
> 
> Windows NT Air:
> 
> Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses much bigger planes,
> and takes out all the other aircraft within a 40-mile radius
> when it explodes.
> 
> Linux Air:
> 
> Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to
> start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters,
> and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to
> cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download
> and print the ticket yourself. When you board the plane, you
> are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the
> seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is
> very comfortable, the plan leaves and arrives on time without
> a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to
> tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but
> all they can say is, "You had to do what with the seat?" 
> 
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RE: OS Funnies

[Ken Ray]

LOL! 

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick
Gilmartin
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OS Funnies


Thought this might help start off the weekend right.  I have been
spending more time working with different Servers and OSes, and a friend
sent this to me.

If Operating Systems Ran The Airlines 
IF OPERATING SYSTEMS RAN THE AIRLINES

UNIX Airways:

Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come
to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put the
plane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what
kind of plane they are supposed to be building.

Air DOS:

Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jump
on and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again.
Then they push again, jump on again, and so on ...

Mac Airlines:

All the stewards, captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agents
look and act exactly the same. Every time you ask questions
about details, you are gently but firmly told that you don't
need to know, don't want to know, and everything will be done
for you without your ever having to know, so just shut up.

Windows Air:

The terminal is pretty and colorful, with friendly stewards,
easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. After
about 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning
whatsoever.

Windows NT Air:

Just like Windows Air, but costs more, uses much bigger planes,
and takes out all the other aircraft within a 40-mile radius
when it explodes.

Linux Air:

Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to
start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters,
and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to
cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download
and print the ticket yourself. When you board the plane, you
are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the
seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is
very comfortable, the plan leaves and arrives on time without
a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to
tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but
all they can say is, "You had to do what with the seat?" 


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RE: Installing Lindows?

[Ken Ray]

Barry,

When I got my copy of Lindows it came with *two* CDs, the one you can
boot from called "Lindows Demo" (which is the one you got from Chipp)
and another called "Lindows Install" which allowed for installation of
Lindows on a hard drive.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Levine
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 12:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Installing Lindows?


Okay, the boot CD does boot but how does one actually install it?
Whatever resources are on the CD simply lock up the "My Computer" window
as well as the "File Manager" app. At this point, Lindows an amusing
party trick but if I can't install it and see how it runs from a HD,
it's not a very effective sales tool.

BTW, the .iso image is an older build (4.0.471); 4.0.58...something is
the latest. Not meaning to be too harsh but were we given the equivalent
of an AOL CD?

Chipp, please feel free to pass along my comments to the Lindows folks.
I'd love to try it and even try building an app for it but I'm dead in
the water right now.

One other question: I saw a comment here on the list about how a *nix
distribution requires some sort of additional "build, etc." once it's
sitting on a user's HD. Does this mean that it would require a user to
possess *nix knowledge to install an app I build in Rev beyond
"double-click this installer" or "drag this to your hard drive"?

Barry Jay Levine
"The Mac Guy"

Macintosh Troubleshooting, System Engineering, Training,
AppleShare/OSX Server Setup, System Upgrades and Enhancements,
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Re: Installing Lindows?

[Pierre Sahores]

Le ven 26/09/2003 à 19:38, Barry Levine a écrit :
> 
> One other question: I saw a comment here on the list about how a *nix
> distribution requires some sort of additional "build, etc." once it's
> sitting on a user's HD. Does this mean that it would require a user to
> possess *nix knowledge to install an app I build in Rev beyond
> "double-click this installer" or "drag this to your hard drive"?

No. It will run directly from the desktop gui, just alike under MacOS or
Win32.

Bests, Pierre
> 
> 
> 
> Barry Jay Levine
> 
> "The Mac Guy"
> 
> 
> Macintosh Troubleshooting, System Engineering, Training,
> 
> AppleShare/OSX Server Setup, System Upgrades and Enhancements,
> 
> Custom Programming for Mac/Windows/Linux/Solaris
> 
> 
> On-Site service for K20, Business, Consumer
> 
> 
> Phone/VoiceMail: 915-581-1105
> 
> Fax: 915-581-8167
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Re: non-english menus on OS X

[Klaus Major]

Bon soir Thierry,

Guten Abend Klaus,

Same problem in French, the "Preference" line isn't removed is the 
second menu isn't named "Edit" (name and label)
I tried to change the label within a script in preOpenStack or 
openStack handler, as a workaround, but it doesn't work :-(
Merci beaucoup :-)

I will bugreport it immediately.

Regards,

Thierry.
Au revoir...

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Re: non-english menus on OS X

[Thierry Arbellot]

Guten Abend Klaus,

Same problem in French, the "Preference" line isn't removed is the 
second menu isn't named "Edit" (name and label)
I tried to change the label within a script in preOpenStack or 
openStack handler, as a workaround, but it doesn't work :-(

Regards,

Thierry.

On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 02:34 PM, Klaus Major wrote:

Hi all,

short question...

From the "What's new" of RR 2.1:

- OS X applications now automatically delete the last two lines in 
the second menu of a stack's menu bar,
Looks like this ONLY appeals if the name of the scond menu = "Edit", 
which definitively sucks in a
german/french/dutch etc... application ;-)

In that case the "Preferences" stays part of THAT "Bearbeiten" (= 
german for edit) menu...
and is not moved to the app-menu...

"Help" (Hilfe) and "About" seem to work...

if the last line starts with "Preferences". This is to prevent 
duplication of the "Preferences" menu item in
the OS X Application menu. (Normally, the second menu is the Edit 
menu,
!!! Normally not in non-english speaking countries...

and the last two menu items
are a separator line and "Preferences".) This lets you use the same 
menu bar for all platforms without
breaking user-interface guidelines for OS X, which call for the 
"Preferences" menu item to be in the
Applications menu and not the File menu.
Can anyone confirm that?

Or give a hint what i am doing wrong?

Thanks a lot in advance...

Regards

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Unicode problem with Simplified Chinese

[Callum Brines]

Hi people

I have been very happy using Rev in a variety of projects over the last two years, but have come across a problem which I hope someone can help me with.

I am using Rev to build a tagged text file containing a mixture of English and simplified Chinese for importing into InDesign. The original text files are output from a database and saved as MS Word files. I open the file in Word and copy and paste the contents into a field in Rev for processing. All the Chinese characters  appear correctly in the Word file and also when pasted into Rev. My program is not changing any of the Chinese characters, just formatting the text by adding InDesign  tags for typesetting. After processing the file I end up with a tagged file and use the uniEncode function as follows: 

put uniEncode(gTagFile,"SimpleChinese") into gTagFile

and then write gTagFile to disk.

When the tagged file is imported into InDesign,  the Chinese character E4B88A (UTF8; 4E0A Hex) is appearing as E4B88D (4E0D Hex). All the other Chinese characters are okay.

Can anyone verify this for me? Is this a bug?

Rev 2.02, OSX 10.2.6.

Many thanks

Callum

Installing Lindows?

[Barry Levine]

Okay, the boot CD does boot but how does one actually install it? Whatever resources are on the CD simply lock up the "My Computer" window as well as the "File Manager" app. At this point, Lindows an amusing party trick but if I can't install it and see how it runs from a HD, it's not a very effective sales tool.

BTW, the .iso image is an older build (4.0.471); 4.0.58...something is the latest. Not meaning to be too harsh but were we given the equivalent of an AOL CD?

Chipp, please feel free to pass along my comments to the Lindows folks. I'd love to try it and even try building an app for it but I'm dead in the water right now.

One other question: I saw a comment here on the list about how a *nix distribution requires some sort of additional "build, etc." once it's sitting on a user's HD. Does this mean that it would require a user to possess *nix knowledge to install an app I build in Rev beyond "double-click this installer" or "drag this to your hard drive"?

Barry Jay Levine
"The Mac Guy"

Macintosh Troubleshooting, System Engineering, Training,
AppleShare/OSX Server Setup, System Upgrades and Enhancements,
Custom Programming for Mac/Windows/Linux/Solaris

On-Site service for K20, Business, Consumer

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Re: Saving encrypted customProperties outside the app?

[Richard Gaskin]

Alex Rice wrote:

> I read somewhere that the Rev password mechanism uses an encryption
> scheme that only works with text. I wonder why? Anyways I guess that's
> why it skips custom properties but encrypts scripts.

I think the bigger reason is that a good scheme to prevent accessing custom
props in the IDE will also prevent them from being accessed at runtime by
your scripts.

An enhancement would address this:  there could be a mainstack property,
something like "devPassword", which would prevent stacks from being opened
in the IDE is set.  This should be done in the engine to prevent scripted
workarounds for access.

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RE: Lindows...

[Chipp Walters]

Pierre,

Excellent points. And after installing Red Hat thrice before, I agree. Linux needs a 
'desktop' oriented distro. And, RR is just the RAD tool for developing on it. In fact, 
IMHO, there's a huge opportunity for small developers with Lindows.

best,

Chipp

> 
> Because Suse or Readhat are mainly getting incomes from the server's
> dedicated solutions, they are not really interested in building (and
> maintaining !) Desktop's distros over years --> one time, Suse is
> available under the PPC platform, as a Desktop box solution, one time no
> more...
> 
> If there are people to build great Desktop's dedicated solutions, this
> will be good too (even if we have to pay a little to get a fine product
> instead of spending weeks to adapt a full free distro to each of our
> boxes...) and it's why i just want to thank Chipp, to point us in about
> testing the "Lindows" distro. I got it and i will test it as soon as
> possible.
> 
> Just one more word to add and say again and again... that, our lovely RR
> is exactly the RAD/XTalk that the Linux developpers community need to
> discover...
> 
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RE: Update: RevRTFer

[Chipp Walters]

Thanks Geoff! 
I'll update the link on my site.

best,

Chipp

> 
> I've updated RevRTFer to work with the 2.1 documentation. It's 
> available for download at:
> 
> http://www.inspiredlogic.com/downloads.html
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RE: Lindows...

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Xavier,

>
> If RPMs are not available and Lindows doesn't come with a compiler
> (assumed), how do you
> get more apps (like one you see one another distro?)...


You are correct, Lindows doesn't come with a compiler. But using
Click-N-Run, you can download ALL the developer tools with a single
mouseClick().

Of course, Lindows trys to put all the available Linux Apps it knows about
on the Click-N-Run servers. If you don't want to use Click-N-Run, then you
need to:

1) use apt-get (free) to download and install apps or;
2) compile apps from source code yourself (not for the beginner)

best,

Chipp


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RE: Starting Lindows

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Scott.

Alex is correct. If you've run into problems (I've heard this happens with
some onboard display controllers), it will automatically stay in Diagnostics
mode. If you want an answer, please consult the Lindows forum and use the
"Guest" message board. I've found it to be most helpful.

best,

Chipp

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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Starting Lindows
>
>
> OK, I give up.  I downloaded the Lindows image, and I booted my computer
> from the CD.  However, after the OS boots, I get taken to a text
> prompt that
> asks me for my login.  What login and password am I supposed to
> use to get
> the CD working?
>
> Scott Slaugh
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OS Funnies

[Patrick Gilmartin]

Thought this might help start off the weekend 
right.  I have been spending more time working with different Servers and 
OSes, and a friend sent this to me.
 

If Operating Systems Ran The 
Airlines IF 
OPERATING SYSTEMS RAN THE AIRLINESUNIX Airways:Everyone brings 
one piece of the plane along when they cometo the airport. They all go out 
on the runway and put theplane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop 
about whatkind of plane they are supposed to be building.Air 
DOS:Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides, then they jumpon 
and let the plane coast until it hits the ground again.Then they push again, 
jump on again, and so on ...Mac Airlines:All the stewards, 
captains, baggage handlers, and ticket agentslook and act exactly the same. 
Every time you ask questionsabout details, you are gently but firmly told 
that you don'tneed to know, don't want to know, and everything will be 
donefor you without your ever having to know, so just shut 
up.Windows Air:The terminal is pretty and colorful, with 
friendly stewards,easy baggage check and boarding, and a smooth take-off. 
Afterabout 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no 
warningwhatsoever.Windows NT Air:Just like Windows Air, but 
costs more, uses much bigger planes,and takes out all the other aircraft 
within a 40-mile radiuswhen it explodes.Linux 
Air:Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide 
tostart their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters,and 
pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee tocover the cost of 
printing the ticket, but you can also downloadand print the ticket yourself. 
When you board the plane, youare given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a 
copy of theseat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat 
isvery comfortable, the plan leaves and arrives on time withouta single 
problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try totell customers of the 
other airlines about the great trip, butall they can say is, "You had to do 
what with the seat?" 
 
 

Re: Saving encrypted customProperties outside the app?

[Richard Gaskin]

Robert Hyde wrote:

> So does anyone know of a good way to save custompropertyset information in a
> data file separate from the app itself in such a way that it would require
> something akin to a password to get to it even within Rev?

It's not custom props per se, but might tide you over until a more secure
native solution becomes available:



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Re: hiding objects

[Scott Rossi]

On 9/26/03 9:34 AM, "Lars Brehmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is it possible to script a button so that when clicked it hides a
> button that occurs on on every card in a stack?  The name and label of
> the button are the same on every cloned card, but each occurance is
> given a differnt object number.

If the button is not in a group (is there a reason why it is not?) you
could:

on mouseUp
repeat with C = 1 to number of cds of this stack
hide btn "cloaked" of card C
end repeat
# other code here
end mouseUp


To toggle the visibility, you could:

on mouseUp
put "cloaked" into B
repeat with C = 1 to number of cds of this stack
set the vis of btn B of card C to not the vis of btn B of cd C
end repeat
# other code here
end mouseUp


Regards,

Scott Rossi
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Re: Saving encrypted customProperties outside the app?

[Alex Rice]

On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 10:10  AM, Robert Hyde wrote:
So does anyone know of a good way to save custompropertyset 
information in a data file separate from the app itself in such a way 
that it would require something akin to a password to get to it even 
within Rev?  I may be overlooking something painfully obvious, but I 
just can't think of anything.
I don't think you are overlooking anything obvious.

 I really appreciate any suggestions at all.  Thanks!
I read somewhere that the Rev password mechanism uses an encryption 
scheme that only works with text. I wonder why? Anyways I guess that's 
why it skips custom properties but encrypts scripts. Does it encrypt 
custom properties that are textual? I guess it would *have to* to 
otherwise fld text properties and control script properties would not 
get encrypted at all.

Couple of ideas

* If Rev does encrypt custom properties that are textual, then you 
could use base64encode()and base64decode() to convert binary custom 
properties into textual ones.

or

* Mark Brownell has written a Blowfish encryption engine in transcript. 
You could use blowfish to encrypt the entire data stack, instead of 
using Rev's password scheme.

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RE: Update: RevRTFer

[Ken Ray]

Geoff,

I get an error when trying to export as HTML... it gets to
"zoomBoxproperty" and gets an error:

Type: defaultStack: can't find stack
Object: Process
Line: set the defaultStack to tStack
Hint: revDocsStarterKit

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Geoff Canyon
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:04 AM
> To: Use-Revolution
> Subject: Update: RevRTFer
> 
> 
> I've updated RevRTFer to work with the 2.1 documentation. It's 
> available for download at:
> 
> http://www.inspiredlogic.com/downloads.html
> 
> The end result is now over 4000 pages ;-)
> 
> It now also exports to MIF, for those who happen to have FrameMaker.
> 
> The code is still ugly, so don't look at it without 
> protective goggles 
> on ;-)
> 
> RevRTFer exports the Revolution documentation to a number of formats, 
> including RTF, Text, HTML, and MIF.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Geoff Canyon
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Re: hiding objects

[Klaus Major]

Hi Lars,

Quick question:

Is it possible to script a button so that when clicked it hides a
button that occurs on on every card in a stack?
Quick answer:

Yes :-)

Hope that helps...

Thanx

Lars Brehmer
Regards

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P.S. ;-)

I would suggest:

1. a repeat loop that cycles through all your cards to hide/show that 
button...

2. If the buttons do the same, why not group that single button and 
playe it onto
all the necessary cards.
This way the script would be a one-liner ;-)

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RE: Sheet woes...

[Ken Ray]

> That's why it's common practice to move the
> 'preOpenStack' and 'openStack' handlers for the
> mainStack, out of the message path, into the script of
> the first card of that stack.

The other practice seems to be if you leave it in the mainstack, do
this:

on preOpenStack
  if the owner of the target is me then
-- handle mainstack message
  else
-- handle substack message
  end if
end preOpenStack

Same goes for the other "stack" handlers: openStack, closeStack,
closeStackRequest, etc.

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Re: Saving encrypted customProperties outside the app?

[Scott Rossi]

On 9/26/03 9:10 AM, "Robert Hyde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So does anyone know of a good way to save custompropertyset information in a
> data file separate from the app itself in such a way that it would require
> something akin to a password to get to it even within Rev?

Would it be possible to save your properties as scripts of objects in an
external password-protected stack?  Then when you need to save new settings
to the file, you'd set the passkey of the stack and set the script of each
"property" object (no script limit if you use a separate object to store
each script).

Regards,

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hiding objects

[Lars Brehmer]

Quick question:

Is it possible to script a button so that when clicked it hides a 
button that occurs on on every card in a stack?  The name and label of 
the button are the same on every cloned card, but each occurance is 
given a differnt object number.

Thanx

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Re: SUMMARY: Re: Fun project but fuzzy on logic. "PhoneCALLs"

[Rob Cozens]

We talked about how to delete the resulting PhoneCALLs that couldn't
possibly make sense.
Andy, et al:

Apropos our discussion, this just arrived in an eMail from a friend:


Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer
inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht
the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total
mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the
huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a
wlohe.
Amzanig huh?
<<
:{`)
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Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
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Re: Getting Taskbar/Dock height and position on screen?

[Trevor DeVore]

Thanks Graham and Jacqueline, that seems to do the trick.

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On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 10:00  AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

On 9/26/03 10:21 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

I'm looking for ways to get the Dock/Taskbar height and position on 
the  screen.  I need them so I can set an app window to the full 
screen  without covering these two items up.
Check the "windowBoundingRect" property. That gives you what you need 
without having to dig around in the registry or in plist files.
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Saving encrypted customProperties outside the app?

[Robert Hyde]

Hello!

I am working on an app that stores a large amount of information in 
customproperties, since they are easily and logically accessible as well as 
extremely fast.  This information is stored outside the app itself so that 
various data files can be created and so that the app can auto-save the 
user's work every 5/10/20/30 minutes per the user's choice.  Currently I 
accomplish this by copying the current custompropertyset to a substack, then 
clone that substack and save it as a file.  When the user wants to open that 
data, it opens the saved substack clone, copies in the custompropertyset, 
and it is done.

The problem comes in when I want to add security to it, since the user may 
be typing up sensitive data...  Only the user that saved the data should be 
able to open it, even from Rev.  Even when you add a password in the code or 
via the distribution builder, the custompropertyset information is not 
encrypted, just the code itself.  So anyone can open that cloned substack 
within rev and see what is in the custompropertyset, even if they may not 
know exactly how to translate it.  I played with adding a script to 
preOpenStack that asks for a password and checks it against one saved within 
the stack, but in Rev you can just suppress messages and preOpenStack 
doesn't fire, so it leaves the file wide open.

I know that I could just save that data as a substack within the app, and 
the distribution builder would keep that invisible within the .exe, but the 
user needs to be able to save to a separate data file.

I think that I could just save the custompropertyset as its own file, I have 
seen examples of saving arrays to a file, saving just about everything to a 
file, but then there is no way to require a password, so it could be opened 
within Rev, and that does not solve my problem.

So does anyone know of a good way to save custompropertyset information in a 
data file separate from the app itself in such a way that it would require 
something akin to a password to get to it even within Rev?  I may be 
overlooking something painfully obvious, but I just can't think of anything. 
 Is there a way to store that data within a stack that cannot be viewed 
from the properties page?  I really appreciate any suggestions at all.  
Thanks!

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Re: Starting Lindows

[Alex Rice]

On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 09:14  AM, Scott Slaugh wrote:

OK, I give up.  I downloaded the Lindows image, and I booted my 
computer from the CD.  However, after the OS boots, I get taken to a 
text prompt that asks me for my login.  What login and password am I 
supposed to use to get the CD working?
Did you accidentally select Diagnostics on the boot screen? Otherwise, 
it does boot right into the GUI in my (very limited) experience.

If you didn't select diagnostics, and you still get the text prompt, 
then you must have ran into a hardware problem, which would be 
mentioned somewhere in the several pages of boot messages.

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Re: Getting Taskbar/Dock height and position on screen?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 9/26/03 10:21 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

I'm looking for ways to get the Dock/Taskbar height and position on the  
screen.  I need them so I can set an app window to the full screen  
without covering these two items up.
Check the "windowBoundingRect" property. That gives you what you need 
without having to dig around in the registry or in plist files.

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Re: Getting Taskbar/Dock height and position on screen?

[Graham Samuel]

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:21:11 -0600, Trevor DeVore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 10:35 -0400 26/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm looking for ways to get the Dock/Taskbar height and position on the 
screen.  I need them so I can set an app window to the full screen 
without covering these two items up.

It seems that there should be an entry in the Windows Registry for the 
taskbar height and position on the screen.  I have poked around in the 
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer are but found 
nothing.  Searches on google haven't turned up anything either.

As for the Dock, I found the .plist that stores info on it at:
/System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/
DockMenus.plist but didn't see anything which stated what it's current
settings were.
Trevor, I think the default WindowBoundingRect will sort this out for 
you, but not when the IDE is present (the IDE gets to it before your 
code can). See useful stuff from Ken Ray and others (including what 
to query in the Registry) under the subject 'Leaving room for the 
title bar' on the list in the last few days. I think you'll find the 
TaskBar is also taken into account.

HTH

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Subject: Re: Lindows...

[HyperChris]

Please don't!

>>So Bush shops at Walmart!!? ;)),
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Getting Taskbar/Dock height and position on screen?

[Trevor DeVore]

I'm looking for ways to get the Dock/Taskbar height and position on the  
screen.  I need them so I can set an app window to the full screen  
without covering these two items up.

It seems that there should be an entry in the Windows Registry for the  
taskbar height and position on the screen.  I have poked around in the  
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Explorer are but found  
nothing.  Searches on google haven't turned up anything either.

As for the Dock, I found the .plist that stores info on it at:
/System/Library/CoreServices/Dock.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/ 
DockMenus.plist but didn't see anything which stated what it's current  
settings were.

Thanks,

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Starting Lindows

[Scott Slaugh]

OK, I give up.  I downloaded the Lindows image, and I booted my computer 
from the CD.  However, after the OS boots, I get taken to a text prompt that 
asks me for my login.  What login and password am I supposed to use to get 
the CD working?

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Update: RevRTFer

[Geoff Canyon]

I've updated RevRTFer to work with the 2.1 documentation. It's 
available for download at:

http://www.inspiredlogic.com/downloads.html

The end result is now over 4000 pages ;-)

It now also exports to MIF, for those who happen to have FrameMaker.

The code is still ugly, so don't look at it without protective goggles 
on ;-)

RevRTFer exports the Revolution documentation to a number of formats, 
including RTF, Text, HTML, and MIF.

regards,

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Re: SUMMARY: Re: Fun project but fuzzy on logic. "PhoneCALLs"

[Rob Cozens]

We talked about how to delete the resulting PhoneCALLs that couldn't
possibly make sense.
Andy, et al:

I personally think (and therefore challenge others to prove me wrong) 
that a generalized algorithm for determining whether a character 
string is a "real" word is an impossible dream.  Here's one reason 
why:  In 1600, "foole" and "bee" were correct spellings; 400 years 
later "fool" & "be" are the correct spellings.

So long as the language continues to change dynamically, how can one 
algorithm cover all possibilities for all time?

Can anyone point to a spell check app that does NOT use a 
"dictionary" to determine what spelling is correct?

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Lindows ftp alternative

[Barry Levine]

If you've had trouble making the connection with the ftp server using 
the link, launch your FTP client and enter the simple ftp info, 
username, and password. I'd suggest copying and pasting the password as 
it's not clear whether that's an "i" or a "1". I also did -not- use 
"passive" mode, FWIW.

Barry

On Friday, Sep 26, 2003, at 02:17 America/Denver, Chipp wrote:

From: "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Use-Revolution" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Lindows available again.
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:07:05 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all,

Well, we can now access LindowsCD, for a limited time (read 7 days). 
Please
reregister if you didn't get it last time at:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/Lindows/default.htm

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Re: Lindows...

[Wolfgang M. Bereuter]

On Freitag, Sep 26, 2003, at 11:05 Europe/Vienna, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nopix has our Guru's approval. Walmart doesn't! ;))

From the Lindows site, the office suite is extra $$...
The seagate story was either on Slashdot.org or theregister.co.uk

So Bush shops at Walmart!!? ;)),

ROFL

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non-english menus on OS X

[Klaus Major]

Hi all,

short question...

From the "What's new" of RR 2.1:

- OS X applications now automatically delete the last two lines in the 
second menu of a stack's menu bar,
Looks like this ONLY appeals if the name of the scond menu = "Edit", 
which definitively sucks in a
german/french/dutch etc... application ;-)

In that case the "Preferences" stays part of THAT "Bearbeiten" (= 
german for edit) menu...
and is not moved to the app-menu...

"Help" (Hilfe) and "About" seem to work...

if the last line starts with "Preferences". This is to prevent 
duplication of the "Preferences" menu item in
the OS X Application menu. (Normally, the second menu is the Edit menu,
!!! Normally not in non-english speaking countries...

and the last two menu items
are a separator line and "Preferences".) This lets you use the same 
menu bar for all platforms without
breaking user-interface guidelines for OS X, which call for the 
"Preferences" menu item to be in the
Applications menu and not the File menu.
Can anyone confirm that?

Or give a hint what i am doing wrong?

Thanks a lot in advance...

Regards

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RE: Lindows...

[Pierre Sahores]

Hello Chipp, List,

As a long user of Linux as both a development platform and a web/erp's
over internet services hosting platform, it seem me that some main
distro are mostly dedicated to build great, powerfull and secure servers
solutions (internet/intranet/extranet/VPN/ERP,...).

About server stuffs, i always used, with great satisfaction, Suse
distros (6.3 to 8.2) and never had troubbles or difficulties --> i will
continue to use Suse or ReadHat distros in about server solutions.

On the other hand, we really need a destktop dedicated distro to become
able to say to "Windows" users people : "come on ! Try MacOSX,
Lindows,... : it will let you discover the power of unixes and it's
exactly as simple as Win98SE is and it works better, faster than
WinXP...

Because Suse or Readhat are mainly getting incomes from the server's
dedicated solutions, they are not really interested in building (and
maintaining !) Desktop's distros over years --> one time, Suse is
available under the PPC platform, as a Desktop box solution, one time no
more...

If there are people to build great Desktop's dedicated solutions, this
will be good too (even if we have to pay a little to get a fine product
instead of spending weeks to adapt a full free distro to each of our
boxes...) and it's why i just want to thank Chipp, to point us in about
testing the "Lindows" distro. I got it and i will test it as soon as
possible.

Just one more word to add and say again and again... that, our lovely RR
is exactly the RAD/XTalk that the Linux developpers community need to
discover...

Thanks again, Chipp :-)

Bests to All, Pierre



Le ven 26/09/2003 à 11:04, Chipp Walters a écrit :
> Xavier,
> 
> > After talking to our guru, Lindows just happens to be a paying version of
> > a reduced debian distro.
> 
> Lindows is indeed based on Debian, as they say on their website, but have
> you ever tried installing Debian? It's not for amateurs! BTW, as I mentioned
> in my article, Linux hardcore slashdot types don't like Lindows, because it
> IS so simple and not completely free. Took me a long time to figure it out
> for myself, as I originally believed them. You should really take the time
> and try this distro before forming an opinion on it.
> 
> > The author may have been involved in a scam web site earlier
> > too... Sounds
> > like another Bill Gates
> > wannabe to me...
> 
> I assume by 'author' you are referring to Michael Robertson, CEO of Lindows.
> Among other things, he is a well-respected CEO with numerous successes
> running other companies, including the founding of MP3.com. You probably
> should check your facts before spreading FUD.
> 
> >
> > Well marketed though. For those interested there is more on www.cnet.com.
> > In brief, they
> > say you have little control over the installation. But it's easy to
> > install. Has KDE is in but no Gnome.
> 
> For those of you who don't know, KDE is a windowing interface, just like
> Gnome. Many prefer KDE over Gnome because it is more Windows like. In either
> case, both are nice interfaces. I have used both and much prefer KDE. It
> looks better, and being a designer, looks are important to me.
> 
> >
> > Getting non click'n'run apps may be a problem zone. And the Click'n'run
> > will make the OS much
> > more expensive in the long run. There's no office suite which is avlb in
> > other distros and if you dont
> > have an ADSL, it gets costlier.
> 
> You can use apt-get (free) to download and install debian packages if you
> don't want to use Click-N-Run. There are even Lindow fan sites with
> instructions and downloads. I prefer the Click-N-Run approach because it is
> SOOO easy.
> 
> As a Click-N-Run member, you can also have Lindows send you the programs on
> CD as well (called Lindows Plus). This is handy if you don't have a fast
> connection.
> 
> No office suite? I imagine you're referring to the base install doesn't have
> an office suite. Of course both Star Office and Open Office are available
> via Click-N-Run or apt-get. In fact, the LindowsCD comes with OpenOffice. I
> much prefer this model as I want as streamlined an OS as possible. The base
> install is like MS, browser and email is all you get. But, installing your
> favorite Office Suite is a simple download away. Also, Click-N-Run makes it
> easy to UNINSTALL apps as well (sometimes very difficult for Linux).
> 
> >
> > Most innapropriate is the fact that you have to pay for any other
> > program.
> 
> This is not true. If you subscribe to Click-N-Run ($49), you get access to
> over 1800 programs to download, of which over 95% of them are free.
> According to the GNU license, you can charge for distribution of GNU
> software, which is what Lindows does...just like Red Hat, Suse and others do
> today.
> 
> > Which is good
> > for us revolution developpers but as a user, is not a good feature. Very
> > limiting.
> 
> 'Very limiting???' How so?
> 
> >
> > Compatibility with other rpms may also be another wall...
> 
> My underst

Re: Working with grouped text

[Jan Decroos]

Maybe, next script can help: it parses the htmltext of the field : we find
links in the htmlText by searching for  ' ... '.  Then we look if this
link is underlined too ('' before '', and '' after '')

It needs a btn (script), and a field (data)

put next handler in the btn's script:

on mouseUp
  --  ... 
  put the htmltext of field 1 into lHTMLText
  put "" into lUnderlined
  put 0 into lCurrentGroup
  put 0 into lStartPos
  put 0 into lPrevStartPos
  repeat
put offset("", lHTMLText, lPrevStartPos) into lStartPos
if lStartPos = 0 then exit repeat
put offset("", lHTMLText, lPrevStartPos) into lEndPos
if lEndPos = 0 then exit repeat
add 1 to lCurrentGroup
if (char lPrevStartPos+lStartPos-3 to lPrevStartPos+lStartPos-1 of
lHTMLText = "") and\
   (char lPrevStartPos+lEndPos+4 to lPrevStartPos+lEndPos+7 of lHTMLText =
"") then
put lCurrentGroup&comma after lUnderlined
end if
add lEndPos+4 to lPrevStartPos
  end repeat
  if last char of lUnderlined = comma then delete last char of lUnderlined
  answer lUnderlined
end mouseUp



Regards,
Jan

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RE: Lindows...

[Pierre Sahores]

Le ven 26/09/2003 à 11:21, sims a écrit :
> I suspect the answer will be no...I'll ask anyway.
> 
> If I have Virtual Windows (Windows 98) running on my OSX machine with 
> lots of RAM,
> will I be able to pop in a Lindows CD and have it run?
> ;-/
> 
> sims

Hello,

If you mean Virtual PC 5 or 6 (the second is lots faster), the answer is
yes.

Bests,

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RE: Lindows...

[xbury . cs]

Sorry for the FUD. Im warry of scams as usual and you all know how EULA's 
can tie you up...
I'll try it anyway and as I said, it sounds like a good way for RR dev'ers 
to get their apps out there. 

Do they have a click and sell to all wallmart users? ;))

If RPMs are not available and Lindows doesn't come with a compiler 
(assumed), how do you
get more apps (like one you see one another distro?)...



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RE: Lindows...

[sims]

I suspect the answer will be no...I'll ask anyway.

If I have Virtual Windows (Windows 98) running on my OSX machine with 
lots of RAM,
will I be able to pop in a Lindows CD and have it run?
;-/

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Re: Lindows...

[xbury . cs]

Nopix has our Guru's approval. Walmart doesn't! ;))

>From the Lindows site, the office suite is extra $$... 

The seagate story was either on Slashdot.org or theregister.co.uk

So Bush shops at Walmart!!? ;)),

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On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 01:05  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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> After talking to our guru, Lindows just happens to be a paying version 
> of
> a reduced debian distro.
> The author may have been involved in a scam web site earlier too... 
> Sounds
> like another Bill Gates
> wannabe to me...
>
> Well marketed though. For those interested there is more on 
> www.cnet.com.
> In brief, they
> say you have little control over the installation. But it's easy to
> install. Has KDE is in but no Gnome.
>
> Getting non click'n'run apps may be a problem zone. And the Click'n'run
> will make the OS much
> more expensive in the long run. There's no office suite which is avlb 
> in
> other distros and if you dont
> have an ADSL, it gets costlier.
>
> Most innapropriate is the fact that you have to pay for any other 
> program.
> Which is good
> for us revolution developpers but as a user, is not a good feature. 
> Very
> limiting.
>
> Compatibility with other rpms may also be another wall...

Xavier thanks for the info.

But please do not lose sight of the main point with Lindows- it's not a 
distro for the Linux geek! This is for people who don't know or care 
about kernel 2.x, Debian, KDE, Gnome, RPM, slashdot, etc.

They sell Lindows preloaded computers at WAL-MART for goodness sake (in 
the U.S, WAL-MART is this giant superstore that attracts the most 
average, typical, dumbest U.S. consumer there exists).

The LindowsCD does come with OpenOffice BTW - at least there is a menu 
item for it, I didn't launch it.

I see Lindows mainly as a marketing conduit- if I were running Linux 
day to day I would probably go with Redhat just because that's what I 
know. Although Knoppix is way cool for CD bootable.

I saw an article somewhere that Seagate (disk drive mfg) is going to be 
pre-loading Lindows onto their disks at the factory!!. Maybe I 
hallucinated that one... can't find the article now.

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RE: Lindows...

[Chipp Walters]

Xavier,

> After talking to our guru, Lindows just happens to be a paying version of
> a reduced debian distro.

Lindows is indeed based on Debian, as they say on their website, but have
you ever tried installing Debian? It's not for amateurs! BTW, as I mentioned
in my article, Linux hardcore slashdot types don't like Lindows, because it
IS so simple and not completely free. Took me a long time to figure it out
for myself, as I originally believed them. You should really take the time
and try this distro before forming an opinion on it.

> The author may have been involved in a scam web site earlier
> too... Sounds
> like another Bill Gates
> wannabe to me...

I assume by 'author' you are referring to Michael Robertson, CEO of Lindows.
Among other things, he is a well-respected CEO with numerous successes
running other companies, including the founding of MP3.com. You probably
should check your facts before spreading FUD.

>
> Well marketed though. For those interested there is more on www.cnet.com.
> In brief, they
> say you have little control over the installation. But it's easy to
> install. Has KDE is in but no Gnome.

For those of you who don't know, KDE is a windowing interface, just like
Gnome. Many prefer KDE over Gnome because it is more Windows like. In either
case, both are nice interfaces. I have used both and much prefer KDE. It
looks better, and being a designer, looks are important to me.

>
> Getting non click'n'run apps may be a problem zone. And the Click'n'run
> will make the OS much
> more expensive in the long run. There's no office suite which is avlb in
> other distros and if you dont
> have an ADSL, it gets costlier.

You can use apt-get (free) to download and install debian packages if you
don't want to use Click-N-Run. There are even Lindow fan sites with
instructions and downloads. I prefer the Click-N-Run approach because it is
SOOO easy.

As a Click-N-Run member, you can also have Lindows send you the programs on
CD as well (called Lindows Plus). This is handy if you don't have a fast
connection.

No office suite? I imagine you're referring to the base install doesn't have
an office suite. Of course both Star Office and Open Office are available
via Click-N-Run or apt-get. In fact, the LindowsCD comes with OpenOffice. I
much prefer this model as I want as streamlined an OS as possible. The base
install is like MS, browser and email is all you get. But, installing your
favorite Office Suite is a simple download away. Also, Click-N-Run makes it
easy to UNINSTALL apps as well (sometimes very difficult for Linux).

>
> Most innapropriate is the fact that you have to pay for any other
> program.

This is not true. If you subscribe to Click-N-Run ($49), you get access to
over 1800 programs to download, of which over 95% of them are free.
According to the GNU license, you can charge for distribution of GNU
software, which is what Lindows does...just like Red Hat, Suse and others do
today.

> Which is good
> for us revolution developpers but as a user, is not a good feature. Very
> limiting.

'Very limiting???' How so?

>
> Compatibility with other rpms may also be another wall...

My understanding is that RPMs are for distributing apps mainly for Red Hat.
Debian (and thus Lindows) doesn't use them.

Xavier, I would suggest you spend some time researching Lindows and decide
for yourself, instead of asking your favorite Linux guy. While I originally
had many of the same concerns as you, once I started learning more on my
own, I found that Lindows is perfect for what I want to do. And their
software distribution is most incredible, and solves a lot of problems for
small developers.

best,

Chipp



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libURL stuff

[Alex Rice]

I figured out how to download stuff with "load" and wrote a progress 
monitor using the status, callback and completion functions of libURL. 
This stuff is *fast* and with the callback status, having a progress 
monitor doesn't impede performance either. Kudos to those who wrote 
libURL.

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Re: Lindows...

[Alex Rice]

On Friday, September 26, 2003, at 01:05  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

After talking to our guru, Lindows just happens to be a paying version 
of
a reduced debian distro.
The author may have been involved in a scam web site earlier too... 
Sounds
like another Bill Gates
wannabe to me...

Well marketed though. For those interested there is more on 
www.cnet.com.
In brief, they
say you have little control over the installation. But it's easy to
install. Has KDE is in but no Gnome.

Getting non click'n'run apps may be a problem zone. And the Click'n'run
will make the OS much
more expensive in the long run. There's no office suite which is avlb 
in
other distros and if you dont
have an ADSL, it gets costlier.

Most innapropriate is the fact that you have to pay for any other 
program.
Which is good
for us revolution developpers but as a user, is not a good feature. 
Very
limiting.

Compatibility with other rpms may also be another wall...
Xavier thanks for the info.

But please do not lose sight of the main point with Lindows- it's not a 
distro for the Linux geek! This is for people who don't know or care 
about kernel 2.x, Debian, KDE, Gnome, RPM, slashdot, etc.

They sell Lindows preloaded computers at WAL-MART for goodness sake (in 
the U.S, WAL-MART is this giant superstore that attracts the most 
average, typical, dumbest U.S. consumer there exists).

The LindowsCD does come with OpenOffice BTW - at least there is a menu 
item for it, I didn't launch it.

I see Lindows mainly as a marketing conduit- if I were running Linux 
day to day I would probably go with Redhat just because that's what I 
know. Although Knoppix is way cool for CD bootable.

I saw an article somewhere that Seagate (disk drive mfg) is going to be 
pre-loading Lindows onto their disks at the factory!!. Maybe I 
hallucinated that one... can't find the article now.

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Re: Sheet woes...

[Jan Schenkel]

--- Dom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> dom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Sure, I have to rewrite this preopentack
> handler...
> > 
> > How to make it understand I didn't really leave
> the stack, but only
> > opened a substack???
> > 
> > IMHO, that's a curious behaving...
> 
> AHEM!
> 
> I simply forgot to trap the offending handler ;-)))
> Now, there is a 
> 
> on preopenstack
> end preopenstack
> 
> in the substack (sheet stack) script...
> 

Hi Dom,

Glad you found the cause ; however, you'll see this
problem occur in every substack (until you trap
'preOpenStack')
That's why it's common practice to move the
'preOpenStack' and 'openStack' handlers for the
mainStack, out of the message path, into the script of
the first card of that stack.
This way, these handlers are only executed when you
really go to the first card of the mainStack, not
whenever you open a substack as well.

Hope this clarified it a bit,

Jan Schenkel.

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Re: Sheet woes...

[Dom]

dom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sure, I have to rewrite this preopentack handler...
> 
> How to make it understand I didn't really leave the stack, but only
> opened a substack???
> 
> IMHO, that's a curious behaving...

AHEM!

I simply forgot to trap the offending handler ;-)))
Now, there is a 

on preopenstack
end preopenstack

in the substack (sheet stack) script...

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Graphics printing

[Greg Wills]

Hi All

Sorry to persist with this issue, but I have come up to a brick wall 
(and my head is now hurting). Thanks for your suggestions Jacqueline. 
No joy though. Have installed the most recent drivers - no change.

I have added below what I wrote some time ago in August to give you the 
background.

The only "breakthrough" I have had is that a networked Minolta laser 
printer with 16mb or ram printed the card and all the graphics. The 
Lexmark's, that many schools have, have 4mb  - and don't print the 
large graphic at the back.

1. These printers do print graphics, ie full page photos in Word! Does 
anyone understand how Rev organizes the info for printing? Could this 
difference in spooling of data (or whatever) be an issue in this 
problem?

2. Does anyone have access to a networked printer that they could test 
a sample stack for me?

3. Has anyone had a similar problem with printing cards with large 
graphics? (I mean large as in area covered - as I have already tried a 
number of variations of file sizes and have got the file size down to 
128mb.)



Thanks
Greg Wills
(written in August)

"I have been having this problem for a year or so and have been waiting 
to see if Rev 2 would resolve the issue - but no it has not. I have 
been discussing this with Kevin, but I now suspect that it may be a 
computer / printer problem, not a Rev problem.

"Issue. Printing a card that has buttons, fields, graphics and a large 
graphic on layer 1. On my home Mac, this prints beautifully. On a work 
"windows" machine (networked to a Lexmark printer) it prints the card 
OK, except for the large graphic in the background. I have tried many 
options on the printer and the closest that I got today was setting the 
output to 300dpi (down from 1200 and then 600), which at least printed 
some vague indication of a graphic in the background.

"Does anyone know of a work around, or should I resort to capturing the 
card as one graphic, then printing this? And if this is the case, is 
there an easy way of doing this? This issue has really been holding 
these projects up, so would love any suggestions.

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Re: Lindows...

[xbury . cs]

After talking to our guru, Lindows just happens to be a paying version of 
a reduced debian distro.
The author may have been involved in a scam web site earlier too... Sounds 
like another Bill Gates
wannabe to me...

Well marketed though. For those interested there is more on www.cnet.com. 
In brief, they 
say you have little control over the installation. But it's easy to 
install. Has KDE is in but no Gnome.

Getting non click'n'run apps may be a problem zone. And the Click'n'run 
will make the OS much
more expensive in the long run. There's no office suite which is avlb in 
other distros and if you dont 
have an ADSL, it gets costlier. 

Most innapropriate is the fact that you have to pay for any other program. 
Which is good
for us revolution developpers but as a user, is not a good feature. Very 
limiting.

Compatibility with other rpms may also be another wall...

To be seen...

My 2 cents
Xavier



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