Paint Tools issue

[Thomas J McGrath III]

Here is a screen shot of the Paint Tools Palette. I upgraded to OSX 
10.3 and REV 2.1.2 and now it looks like this.


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Re: backreferences in PCRE?

[Dar Scott]

On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 02:08 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

I can't remember- are any of Rev's REGEX functions capable of doing 
backreferences?
You might consider the (?<= ) "lookbehind" assertion.

Don't forget the start of the string, too.
Yikes.  I mean the negative assertion (?

So tinker with this:

replaceText(pStr, "(?

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Re: backreferences in PCRE?

[Dar Scott]

On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 12:40 PM, Alex Rice wrote:

I can't remember- are any of Rev's REGEX functions capable of doing 
backreferences?
You might consider the (?<= ) "lookbehind" assertion.

Don't forget the start of the string, too.

If you might be matching over 800, see bugzilla 16.  Depending on the 
length of the match, there is a crash when matches get beyond some 
number.

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Re: Tooltip for groups

[Thomas J McGrath III]

I have completely screwed up many groups in my four weeks of using REV. 
There is no group Tooltip built-in but you could just hide a tooltip 
like window and trap a mouseEnter with show/hide tooltip field.

Tom

On Nov 13, 2003, at 2:29 PM, jbv wrote:

Jacqueline,

What happens is that if there is no built-in Revolution property, the
script sets a custom property. That's why there is no error. In this
case, the group will have a custom property called "tooltip".
Well, I checked the custom prop. option : actually no custom prop.
is created...
I'm still using MC (but am posting to the Rev list, since almost
nobody seems to use the MC list anymore), and I checked the MC
doc. It says that tooltip applies to all controls. When I search
"controls" in the same doc, it says that there are 12 classes of MC
objects, including stacks, cards, groups... It also says that groups,
btns, etc. are also referred to as "controls"...
So, logically, tooltips should also apply to grps, cards, stacks...


Cards also do not support the tooltip property. Setting it by script
would give a custom "tooltip" property that does nothing.
Not exactly : when trying to set tooltip of a card or a stack, it
returns
an error...
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Problems with report-printing

[R. Hillen]

Hello list,

Last week I transferred my Hypercard Adressbook successfull to RunRev 
(Mac OSX, 10.2.8, Rev. 2.1.2).
Totay I tried to script the printJob.

I read the helpful Mail of Jan Schenkel about using the report-builder 
and studied the docs.
I made a report with some fields, linked to my Data-stack and found, 
that after setting in the report inspector all colors of each 
report-field to white (except the text color), there remains a thin 
black line on top of each field, which also appears in the printing.

Trying to print by pressing the print-button in the report-builder 
sometimes there is no printout, but after closing the stack and 
restarting it the print succeeded and showed all prints one after 
another.

In my stack, which consists of a main stack (as splash), a data stack 
and the report-stack (MyReport), I made a print-button in the 
data-stack with the following script:

  open stack "MyReport"
  hide stack "MyReport"
  answer printer
  if it is cancel then exit to top -- Cancel doesn´t work!
  send "RevPrintReport" to stack "MyReport"
  close printing
This script sometiomes works, sometimes not. What did I wrong?

What can I do so that the user in the print-dialog can stop the 
printing, if she Cancels the dialog. After "answer printer" the 
variable "it" is "Cancel", but the "exit to top" doesn´t work.

And a last question:

As I want to use some slightly different reports:
How can I duplicate the reportstack?
Thank you very much

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Re: Tooltip for groups

[J. Landman Gay]

On 11/13/03 1:29 PM, jbv wrote:

Well, I checked the custom prop. option : actually no custom prop.
is created...
That's what I get for not testing before I post. Sorry. In that case, 
Klaus is right (as usual) and there should be an error message.

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Re: Windows Misery

[Dave Cragg]

At 7:26 pm +0100 13/11/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
Hi

I've asked about this before, but as I'm desperate I thought I'd try
once more.
I have an app in an advanced state of preparation - it's been
through a thorough beta test and I was left with just one error.
This was the one where I had two buttons whose icons were animated
GIFs, where one of the buttons consistently stopped animating when
the two buttons overlapped. I found a fix for this, but have no idea
why it worked - I moved the animated GIFs from the card they were on
to the card which the user sees (the one with the buttons on it). I
then set the coordinates of these GIFs to (-1,-1) in order
to make sure the user never sees them. All this worked fine on all
the platforms I usually test on (MacOS 9.2.2, MacOSX, Windows XP),
but it appears to crash and/or mess up the display when run on
Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows ME. This didn't happen with
earlier versions of the app.
Are you absolutely sure this problem is also related to the animated 
GIFs and not a different problem? Can you test a version with the 
animated GIFs replaced with plain GIFs or just plain buttons and see 
if the problem is gone on those platforms? It would be extremely 
frustrating to try and fix the wrong problem.

Dave
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backreferences in PCRE?

[Alex Rice]

I can't remember- are any of Rev's REGEX functions capable of doing 
backreferences?

Consider this perl script. It will put a "\" before any quote 
character, but only if it's not already preceded by a "\" character.

$txt = "fu\"bar askldj askld\\\"asd lakj sdkljasd\"";
print "before: ", $txt, "\n";
if($txt =~ s/([^\\])"/$1\\"/g) {
print "result: ", $txt,"\n";
}
# ./test.pl
before: fu"bar askldj askld\"asd lakj sdkljasd"
result: fu\"bar askldj askld\"asd lakj sdkljasd\"
In transcript I thought it should be :

replaceText(pStr, "([^\\])""e, "$1\""e)

Which works *except* for the $1 is used literally instead of as a 
backreference.

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Re: waaaay OT Scots

[erik hansen]

--- David Burgun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> there is a book about how the Irish saved
> civilization.
> 
> A, that must be when they invented Guinness
> and Jameson's!!

no, 
God did to keep them from conquering the world.

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Re: Tooltip for groups

[jbv]

Jacqueline,

>
> What happens is that if there is no built-in Revolution property, the
> script sets a custom property. That's why there is no error. In this
> case, the group will have a custom property called "tooltip".

Well, I checked the custom prop. option : actually no custom prop.
is created...

I'm still using MC (but am posting to the Rev list, since almost
nobody seems to use the MC list anymore), and I checked the MC
doc. It says that tooltip applies to all controls. When I search
"controls" in the same doc, it says that there are 12 classes of MC
objects, including stacks, cards, groups... It also says that groups,
btns, etc. are also referred to as "controls"...
So, logically, tooltips should also apply to grps, cards, stacks...

>
>
> Cards also do not support the tooltip property. Setting it by script
> would give a custom "tooltip" property that does nothing.

Not exactly : when trying to set tooltip of a card or a stack, it
returns
an error...

JB

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Re: [OT] More Windows Misery

[Klaus Major]

Hi Scott,

On the note of Misery related to Windows, this comes to mind:

  http://www.despair.com/screensaver.html

This company is godlike.  Their philosophy is truly inspiring.  View 
with
awe the sheer genius of their demotivational posters and other 
merchandise:

  http://www.despair.com/indem.html

Marvel at the foresight displayed in their move to trademark their 
identity
before the world:

  http://www.despair.com/demotivators/frownonthis.html

Je suis de désespoir!
Ich bin am Verzweifeln!
Sono nella disperazione!
These guys are gods.
Do you Boohoo?

ROFL

Wonderful, thanks Scott :-D

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
Regards

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Re: binary in fields and strings

[Alex Rice]

On Nov 13, 2003, at 11:47 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

Strings do just fine with ASCII NUL (0) and EOT (4).  The Revolution 
EOF is encoded as 4, also.

A few features have trouble with some values.  For example, you can't 
have a NUL in an array key.

I have seen (some versions back) NULs cause trouble in fields.  They 
mess up display and the data gotten back is garbled.  The last I 
looked, IIRC, the docs recommended avoiding any control characters in 
fields other than tab and the end of line (LF in Rev).

I don't know of a way somebody might type those.  I have some vague 
memory of holding down some key and typing digits in Windows.  I have 
not tried that with Revolution.
Typing isn't the problem for the most part - it's copy-pasting from 
other apps into a Rev field. I am going to implement pasteKey and do a 
replacetext in there - removing all the control characters that you 
mention.

I am not sure I understand.

Is this because you open a pipe to a process and that process looks 
for the EOF character instead of a close?

Or is this because it makes a mess of parsing?
Actually, it turns out the CLIPS docs were wrong- and it allows all 
characters in strings, except quotes are delimiters so must they 
escaped like \".

What happened however, did involve file IO and that's where the EOF 
caused trouble. The scenario was like this:

-- User pastes some text into Rev a app

-- Transcript handler gets the text and calls a CLIPS external function 
with that text as part of the parameter.

-- CLIPS runs, and saves it's state out to a file

-- CLIPS later reads the state in the file.

-- CLIPS finds EOF in the middle of a string and gives up parsing the 
data.

The limits, I think, to data passed to an external include the string 
being null terminated and some sort of 64K limit.  I don't remember 
whether the latter is for the entire call or a single parameter.

If the CLIPS library has a character set limitation, it would be 
reasonable to matchText() on that in any case.  I'd put that in and 
then use that to track down the source.
Thanks for your feedback Dar! I had a feeling you would be the one to 
answer this one :-)

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RE: Windows Misery

[Ken Ray]

> Make a "recipe" stack that shows the crash on Windows 95-ME 
> and send it 
> to runrev.

Certainly making a "recipe" stack (i.e. a stack which has the least
amount of "stuff" in it to demonstrate the problem) is a great idea.
Several times I've enountered bug which I thought were one thing, but
when creating a recipe stack I found out it wasn't what I thought it
was.

The other thing that might help (since you say you added a logging
system) is to see what was the very last thing to happen before the
crash. If it crashed when opening a substack, try to identify which
substack. Remember that images load into memory when a stack is opened,
so if you open a substack that has a lot of images on them, they will
all load into memory.

For earlier versions of Windows, I've encountered that most crashes are
related to memory. How much memory does the 95/98/ME machines have that
you've been testing on?

Just some ideas...

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[OT] More Windows Misery

[Scott Rossi]

On the note of Misery related to Windows, this comes to mind:

  http://www.despair.com/screensaver.html

This company is godlike.  Their philosophy is truly inspiring.  View with
awe the sheer genius of their demotivational posters and other merchandise:

  http://www.despair.com/indem.html

Marvel at the foresight displayed in their move to trademark their identity
before the world:

  http://www.despair.com/demotivators/frownonthis.html

Je suis de désespoir!
Ich bin am Verzweifeln!
Sono nella disperazione!

These guys are gods.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Windows Misery

[Scott Rossi]

On 11/13/03 10:26 AM, "Graham Samuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've asked about this before, but as I'm desperate I thought I'd try once
> more.
> 
> I have an app in an advanced state of preparation - it's been through a
> thorough beta test and I was left with just one error. This was the one
> where I had two buttons whose icons were animated GIFs, where one of the
> buttons consistently stopped animating when the two buttons overlapped.

Did you try forcing the animated GIFs to play by setting their repeatCounts
to -1?  Maybe something like:

[button script]
 on mouseMove
  set the repeatCount of img mySrcImg to -1
 end mouseMove

> I have worked hard to try to isolate this problem, including generating a
> whole external logging scheme to keep track of the program execution, but I
> don't seem to be getting anywhere - it looks as if the app crashes near the
> beginning while opening some substacks (usually invisible).

Are you sure the app has crashed?  Are you saying the app is completely
non-responsive or stops functioning at a certain point?  It is unlikely that
anything like this is caused by animated GIFs (a corrupted image can result
in a jumbled mess of rainbow looking static but this usually does not
inhibit the operation of scripts).

If you can generate the problem in a stack that contains only your buttons,
images and drag scripts, then you should be able to track down the problem
there.  Otherwise, something else is going on in your stacks/scripts.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
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Re: binary in fields and strings

[Dar Scott]

On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 11:05 AM, Alex Rice wrote:

Is it true that Revolution fields and strings can contain any 
character including NULL and EOF?
Strings do just fine with ASCII NUL (0) and EOT (4).  The Revolution 
EOF is encoded as 4, also.

A few features have trouble with some values.  For example, you can't 
have a NUL in an array key.

I have seen (some versions back) NULs cause trouble in fields.  They 
mess up display and the data gotten back is garbled.  The last I 
looked, IIRC, the docs recommended avoiding any control characters in 
fields other than tab and the end of line (LF in Rev).

I don't know of a way somebody might type those.  I have some vague 
memory of holding down some key and typing digits in Windows.  I have 
not tried that with Revolution.

I am debugging a situation where somehow a EOF character within a 
string got sent to my CLIPS external, which caused an error, 
understandably.
I am not sure I understand.

Is this because you open a pipe to a process and that process looks for 
the EOF character instead of a close?

Or is this because it makes a mess of parsing?

Just want to make sure I understand what's happening before I make a 
fix.
The limits, I think, to data passed to an external include the string 
being null terminated and some sort of 64K limit.  I don't remember 
whether the latter is for the entire call or a single parameter.

If the CLIPS library has a character set limitation, it would be 
reasonable to matchText() on that in any case.  I'd put that in and 
then use that to track down the source.

Dar Scott

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Re: Windows Misery

[Alex Rice]

On Nov 13, 2003, at 11:26 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

Can anyone think of a way I could even approach the source of the 
problem? My users (schools) have a wide variety of Windows machines, 
and although I guess I could demand that they don't use W95, I really 
don't think I could cut out 98 and certainly not ME.
Some suggestions:

Make a "recipe" stack that shows the crash on Windows 95-ME and send it 
to runrev.

Collect data from the crash victims like: What revision of Windows OS 
are they running. What video card? What revision are the video drivers 
for their card? Maybe there is a common denominator there.

Hope this helps,

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Windows Misery

[Graham Samuel]

Hi

I've asked about this before, but as I'm desperate I thought I'd try once more.

I have an app in an advanced state of preparation - it's been through a 
thorough beta test and I was left with just one error. This was the one 
where I had two buttons whose icons were animated GIFs, where one of the 
buttons consistently stopped animating when the two buttons overlapped. I 
found a fix for this, but have no idea why it worked - I moved the animated 
GIFs from the card they were on to the card which the user sees (the one 
with the buttons on it). I then set the coordinates of these GIFs to 
(-1,-1) in order to make sure the user never sees them. All this 
worked fine on all the platforms I usually test on (MacOS 9.2.2, MacOSX, 
Windows XP), but it appears to crash and/or mess up the display when run on 
Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows ME. This didn't happen with earlier 
versions of the app.

I have worked hard to try to isolate this problem, including generating a 
whole external logging scheme to keep track of the program execution, but I 
don't seem to be getting anywhere - it looks as if the app crashes near the 
beginning while opening some substacks (usually invisible). I've tried 
bringing the GIFs back into the visible area of the screen but this hasn't 
stopped the crashing... I just have no idea where to go now to get a 
solution. I've tried asking the RR team directly (I think as an original 
holder of a 'pro' licence I am entitled to help for some incidents) but no 
reply so far.

Can anyone think of a way I could even approach the source of the problem? 
My users (schools) have a wide variety of Windows machines, and although I 
guess I could demand that they don't use W95, I really don't think I could 
cut out 98 and certainly not ME.

TIA

Graham

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binary in fields and strings

[Alex Rice]

Is it true that Revolution fields and strings can contain any character 
including NULL and EOF?

I am debugging a situation where somehow a EOF character within a 
string got sent to my CLIPS external, which caused an error, 
understandably.

Just want to make sure I understand what's happening before I make a 
fix.

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Re: Tooltip for groups

[J. Landman Gay]

On 11/13/03 11:50 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

Hi jbv,

Can a tooltip be set for a group ?


There is no field to manually set this in the inspector
so i dont think so...
The MC doc says tooltips apply to all controls,
and "set tooltip of grp 1 to "xyz"" doesn't return
any error and doesn't create a custom prop, but
no tooltip is displayed when mouse moves over
the group (tooltipdelay is not set to zero)...


But it should throw an error when setting it by script!
What happens is that if there is no built-in Revolution property, the 
script sets a custom property. That's why there is no error. In this 
case, the group will have a custom property called "tooltip".

Cards also do not support the tooltip property. Setting it by script 
would give a custom "tooltip" property that does nothing.

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Re: Mac OSX - use Message from about

[Jan Schenkel]

--- "R. Hillen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> On Mac OSX, RunRev 2.1.2 until now I didn´t build
> and use menus in my 
> Rev-standalones.
> 
> But now I want to use the" About-Menu" to start my
> help stack in my 
> Application.
> 
> Is there somebody, who may give me some hints?
> 
> Thanx in advance.
> 
> Richard Hillen.
> 

Hi Richard,

The engine should send a menuPick to your Help menu
button, to make it easy for you to program it
cross-platform.
So in your 'Help' button :
--
on menuPick pWhichItem
  switch pWhichItem
  case "About"
go card 1 of stack "MyAbout" as modal
  case ...
...
  end switch
end menuPick
--

Hope this helped,

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Re: Tooltip for groups

[Klaus Major]

Hi jbv,

Can a tooltip be set for a group ?
There is no field to manually set this in the inspector
so i dont think so...
The MC doc says tooltips apply to all controls,
and "set tooltip of grp 1 to "xyz"" doesn't return
any error and doesn't create a custom prop, but
no tooltip is displayed when mouse moves over
the group (tooltipdelay is not set to zero)...
But it should throw an error when setting it by script!

Thanks,
JB
Regards

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Mac OSX - use Message from about

[R. Hillen]

Hello list,

On Mac OSX, RunRev 2.1.2 until now I didn´t build and use menus in my 
Rev-standalones.

But now I want to use the" About-Menu" to start my help stack in my 
Application.

Is there somebody, who may give me some hints?

Thanx in advance.

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Tooltip for groups

[jbv]

Can a tooltip be set for a group ?
The MC doc says tooltips apply to all controls,
and "set tooltip of grp 1 to "xyz"" doesn't return
any error and doesn't create a custom prop, but
no tooltip is displayed when mouse moves over
the group (tooltipdelay is not set to zero)...

Thanks,
JB

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Re: Database Query Builder: workaround please

[Alex Rice]

On Nov 13, 2003, at 12:56 AM, David Wilkinson wrote:

This behaviour is observable in 2.0.1, although perhaps not as
severely.
My experience is that there appear to be three iterations of the
query loop, and they are repeated for each object on the card that
is attached to the query.  Each iteration produces the error message.
FWIW, deleting the query seems to fix the problem here.
David, I think you are talking about something else. What I am seeing 
is a bug. A GUI bug, and doesn't have anything to do with the query 
loop going for 3 iterations.

On the Database Query Builder, Record Set Tab, SQL query field:

1) enter some syntactically bad SQL
2) click the refresh query button (or close the Database Query Builder 
window)
3) now Rev gets stuck in an endless loop of modal error dialogs.

The problem is this code in revDBQuerySetup stack / recordSet card. The 
SQL is evaluated, causing a modal error dialog, causing the keyboard 
focus to leave the field, then reenter it the field. Then another 
closeField fires, another modal error dialog. Endlessly.

on closefield
  put the cActiveQuery of this stack into tActiveQuery
  put revQueryLongName(tActiveQuery) into tObjects
  revSetSQLOfQuery tObjects,the text of me
  if revCursorOfQuery(tObjects) is not empty then
revUpdateRecordSourceDetails
  else
set the label of button "cREVDatabaseQuery[primarykey]" to "None"
disable button "cREVDatabaseQuery[primarykey]"
  end if
end closefield
So Runrev- the Database Query builder is effectively useless. How about 
a fix? I can't just comment out the handler, because then the query is 
not evaluated at all.

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Re: Engine for Irix !!

[Roger . E . Eller]

I have to chime in here as well because we also develop for Irix machines. 
I have not yet been able to get any of the 2.x.x versions to even load 
past the splash screen. It loads the splash and hangs until I kill the 
process. I am still having to rely on 1.1.1 for Irix development, which is 
stable but lacking the new features (which I NEED to use there).

Thanks.
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> Please i would like to know the status of the development
> for the engine IRIX because i bought your software for that !!!
> 
> It's very urgent for me ..
> 
> best regards
> 
> thanx ...
> 
> Steve Pelchat


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Re: Questions about experiences

[Geoff Canyon]

Well now -- that's different! (running back to the lab to experiment)

regards,

Geoff Canyon
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On Nov 12, 2003, at 11:10 PM, Ken Ray wrote:


   - You cannot interactively create objects within a
 group unless the editBg of the group is on, but while in
 that mode the scroll bars and anything outside of the
 group is hidden, so that's not an option.
create button "test" in group 1 -- works for me
I think the key was "interactively", so I think Richard's alluding to
using a tool (like a rectangle tool) to create an object inside a 
group.
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Animations

[Stephen Messimer]

Hi,

I asked this question a while back and never had a response so I 
thought I would give it another try.

What exactly are animations?  They aren't objects ...  at least I don't 
think they are.

Are they part of a card's object layer or do they float above it.

Does anyone know if there is a way to show and hide animations?

Thanks for your help.

Regards,

Steve

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Re: waaaay OT Scots

[David Burgun]

there is a book about how the Irish saved civilization.

A, that must be when they invented Guinness and Jameson's!!

Dave

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The File Menu Bug/Feature (OS X)

[Dom]

I wrote here some time ago about a File Meu problem...

i.e.: the menu items from this menu don't appear when one click on the
"File" Menu (Mac OS X)

I posted a bug report (#875) about this...
Jeanne answered that it is was not a bug, but a feature ;-)

In brief, as the "Quit" menu item is directly supported by the App Menu
under Mac OS X, the same item is disabled in Revolution's menu.

But -- I got rid of the "Quit" menu item, and replaced it with "Open"
and "Close". No luck, these menu items are not visible ;->

The final answer is that, under Mac OS X, Revolution deletes the last
two items of the first menu -- assuming that the first menu is "File",
and the items [are separator] and "Quit"; or whatever will be at that
very place ;->>

One more piece to bring to the puzzling behaviour of Revolution, along
to the "shift" in card window with "Mac OS" style menus!!!

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