date:20031202

Chipp,

This is from the altplugin.rev palette where there is a hide stack 
command - I did try this with that changed to show but nothing 
happened. Then I added the open stack "revTools" as palette and I have 
a nasty work around.

When REv opens first I see the revTools and then it hides and then I 
see altplugin and it moves to top left under menu bar. Then revTools 
opens up again and is a palette. It is not perfect but for now I can 
ignore until someone tells me what was changed with these plugins.

 lock screen
  loadAltPlugs
  if exists(stack "revTools") then
hide stack "revTools" -- tried this as show stack "revTools" but no 
go.
  end if
  open stack "revTools" as palette -- my addition.. reopens revTools 
for me to use.
  unlock screen
  send "answerVersion" to me in 20 milliseconds
  send "setMyLoc" to me in 20 milliseconds
end openStack

Thanks
Tom
On Dec 2, 2003, at 10:41 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

Tom and Sarah,

I have an idea it probably has something to do with the altPlugin
architecture not being compatible with RR's plugin architecture. I do
everything I'm supposed to do, but there's no real plugin interface 
API spec
I'm aware of. Chances are, some messaging is getting lost somewhere in 
the
chain.

If you stumble across what's going on, I'll fix the altPlugins. I 
actually
need to update them with some new code I'm using anyway. Not to worry, 
they
should all still work OK.

-Chipp

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas J
McGrath III
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:00 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: revTools at startUp - again?
Sarah,

I think I messed with one of the "revTools" before but all I use now 
is
Chipp's blue palette. When rev opens the revTools opens and then 
closes
and then Chipp's blue palette opens and repositions itself to top 
left.
I can get the revTools open from the menu BUT I want it back the way 
it
was. I want it to open at startUp and to reposition itself to topleft
and stay open.

Where might the code for opening the revTools palette be located??? 
any
ideas???

Thanks

Tom

On Dec 2, 2003, at 4:54 PM, Sarah wrote:

I haven't had this problem, but I'm wondering if you have another
stack called revTools that might be opening instead? I know Richmond
has created a few alternative tool palettes and if you have installed
one of them, the original revTools might either have gone or just be
unable to open because there is another stack of the same name 
already
open. I have used Chipp's blue palette without any ill-effect.

Cheers,
Sarah
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On 2 Dec 2003, at 10:52 pm, Thomas J McGrath III wrote:

Hello everyone, I asked this a few days ago but did not get an 
answer?

I added a few plugins to REV and now I have the BLUE tool bar show 
up
- which is ok cause I like the save archives in it - but now the
built-in revTools does not show up at start up.
Where and how can I 'set' the revTools to show up at start up?

Thanks

Tom



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Re: revTools at startUp - again?

Chipp, I installed a Green revTool plugin in my plugins folder from the 
REV site and didn't like it so I took it out, however the other plugin 
must have written a code that hid the REV revTool and after I deleted 
it I now don't know what code was altered. I just want to track it down 
and fix it.
The Blue tool bar is cool and I like the archive save. However it would 
load under the top tool bar of REV so I changed the position that 'it' 
opens to which occurs just fine. Now if I can find the code that was 
changed from the green plugin. I don't think it was the Blue tool bar 
that caused my problem but the green one. You know the one that works 
in either horizontal or vertical bars as separate plugins.

Can I put a on preopenstack with open revTools at Loc,Loc any where in 
the REV Application since I can't get into the main REV stack??

Thanks

Tom
On Dec 2, 2003, at 10:41 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Tom and Sarah,

I have an idea it probably has something to do with the altPlugin
architecture not being compatible with RR's plugin architecture. I do
everything I'm supposed to do, but there's no real plugin interface 
API spec
I'm aware of. Chances are, some messaging is getting lost somewhere in 
the
chain.

If you stumble across what's going on, I'll fix the altPlugins. I 
actually
need to update them with some new code I'm using anyway. Not to worry, 
they
should all still work OK.

-Chipp

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas J
McGrath III
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:00 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: revTools at startUp - again?
Sarah,

I think I messed with one of the "revTools" before but all I use now 
is
Chipp's blue palette. When rev opens the revTools opens and then 
closes
and then Chipp's blue palette opens and repositions itself to top 
left.
I can get the revTools open from the menu BUT I want it back the way 
it
was. I want it to open at startUp and to reposition itself to topleft
and stay open.

Where might the code for opening the revTools palette be located??? 
any
ideas???

Thanks

Tom

On Dec 2, 2003, at 4:54 PM, Sarah wrote:

I haven't had this problem, but I'm wondering if you have another
stack called revTools that might be opening instead? I know Richmond
has created a few alternative tool palettes and if you have installed
one of them, the original revTools might either have gone or just be
unable to open because there is another stack of the same name 
already
open. I have used Chipp's blue palette without any ill-effect.

Cheers,
Sarah
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On 2 Dec 2003, at 10:52 pm, Thomas J McGrath III wrote:

Hello everyone, I asked this a few days ago but did not get an 
answer?

I added a few plugins to REV and now I have the BLUE tool bar show 
up
- which is ok cause I like the save archives in it - but now the
built-in revTools does not show up at start up.
Where and how can I 'set' the revTools to show up at start up?

Thanks

Tom



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RE: revTools at startUp - again?

2003-12-02 Thread Chipp Walters

Tom and Sarah,

I have an idea it probably has something to do with the altPlugin
architecture not being compatible with RR's plugin architecture. I do
everything I'm supposed to do, but there's no real plugin interface API spec
I'm aware of. Chances are, some messaging is getting lost somewhere in the
chain.

If you stumble across what's going on, I'll fix the altPlugins. I actually
need to update them with some new code I'm using anyway. Not to worry, they
should all still work OK.

-Chipp

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas J
> McGrath III
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:00 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: revTools at startUp - again?
>
>
> Sarah,
>
> I think I messed with one of the "revTools" before but all I use now is
> Chipp's blue palette. When rev opens the revTools opens and then closes
> and then Chipp's blue palette opens and repositions itself to top left.
> I can get the revTools open from the menu BUT I want it back the way it
> was. I want it to open at startUp and to reposition itself to topleft
> and stay open.
>
> Where might the code for opening the revTools palette be located??? any
> ideas???
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2003, at 4:54 PM, Sarah wrote:
>
> > I haven't had this problem, but I'm wondering if you have another
> > stack called revTools that might be opening instead? I know Richmond
> > has created a few alternative tool palettes and if you have installed
> > one of them, the original revTools might either have gone or just be
> > unable to open because there is another stack of the same name already
> > open. I have used Chipp's blue palette without any ill-effect.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sarah
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.troz.net/Rev/
> >
> > On 2 Dec 2003, at 10:52 pm, Thomas J McGrath III wrote:
> >
> >> Hello everyone, I asked this a few days ago but did not get an answer?
> >>
> >> I added a few plugins to REV and now I have the BLUE tool bar show up
> >> - which is ok cause I like the save archives in it - but now the
> >> built-in revTools does not show up at start up.
> >> Where and how can I 'set' the revTools to show up at start up?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.1, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM,
> >> Rev 2.1.2
> >>
> >>
> >> Advanced Media Group
> >> Thomas J McGrath III   • 2003 •[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> 220 Drake Road, Bethel Park, PA 15102
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RE: RunRev

2003-12-02 Thread Chipp Walters

Rome,

Check out SourceForge for some existing command-line programs (VirtuaDub
comes to mind). Then you could write a really nice interface 'wrapper'
around it to do specific things. For instance:

How about a simple program which can generate cool title video animations
with only a few clicks.

Or, a really nice simple to use interface for SendMail. There are many
command line programs which do very cool stuff, if you just know how to use
them. RR would be perfect as a GUI interface for them.

best,

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Re: listing files in a directory folder and subfolders and copy

On 02 Dec 2003, at 18:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Message: 3
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:50:02 +0100
From: Bj?rnke von Gierke<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: listing files in a directory folder and subfolders and
copy
To: How to use Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
You need to make a directory walker. You have to loop trough all the
folders and set the defaultfolder to it, then loop trough these folders
etc. Watch out for the .. directory on macosx and unix systems, it
might trap you in a infinite loop.
snip

The thing that will trap you into a infinite loop is a "symbolic link".
Some explanation and the shortest dir_walker in rev on osx (and may be  
the other
nix)

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2003-September/ 
022972.html
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2003-September/ 
022974.html

Greetings,
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Re: Bugzilla (was: Icons, IDs and Image Library)

On Dec 2, 2003, at 5:50 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
Yes, it seems that bugzilla is buggy self. I have two entries there  
but when I sign up and ask to show my entries, it shows only one of  
them. If I find the other one thru search, I am shown as owner  
alright.
Runrev- I too believe this is a bug.

I asked about it on this list  
 which got no responses.

Here is the problem & workaround:

1) When you open a bugzilla bug, it as marked as state UNCO  
(unconfirmed)
2) If and when the bug is assigned, it will be marked as ASSI
3) At some point bugzilla was changed so that the "My Bugs" preset  
query *does not include bugs that are marked UNCO*. It used to include  
them, that is for sure. Now it appears that newly created bugs  
disappear because they don't show up in "My Bugs".

Workaround for 3) :
Query existing bug reports with criteria: reporter = [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You should see all your bugs including the ones with State = UNCO
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Re: Drag n Drop Objects in Flash vs. Rev

2003-12-02 Thread Alan Golub

Ah, the grab command! That's perfect, Monte, just what I was looking 
for. I knew Rev's Transcript had to have an easier solution.

Is there really any comparison? Consider the ActionScript code:

on (press){
startDrag(this);
}
on (release){
stopDrag();
}
And Transcript:

on mouseDown
grab me
end mouseDown
To my thinking, Transcript is much easier to write, read, and 
understand, once you know the proper command.

Thanks again!

Alan

On Dec 2, 2003, at 7:19 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:


Can anyone point me in the right direction? Do Rev objects have built
in drag and drop functionality, and if so, how is it accessed?
If it's a simple drag then you might want to see the grab command. More
complex drags can be done using mouse events (particularly mouseMove).
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Re: Trapping for Cancel Answer printer

2003-12-02 Thread Robert Brenstein

Okay, let me try to rephraze that rule: system and rev (official) 
dialogs return content in it but the button clicks or error in the 
result.

Well, choosing "Cancel" in a system dialog box would return 
dialogData...feedback on user selection is consider "error data" 
but "Cancel" is passed to "the result," not "it"  for "answer 
printer"

So, if there is a "general rule" its not that which you propose.
It would be good to now what it is...
On Dec 1, 2003, at 3:11 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Alex Rice wrote:

On Nov 30, 2003, at 12:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is either a bug, where for use of  "answer printer" Rev should
pass the result to "it" or needs more documentation if the globally
expected engine behavior is for anything from the system to *not* be
in "it" but be passed via the result, which is also logical. Old time
xTalkers may take that for granted, newbies will stumble
As Ken confirmed, the solution is to check the result, not "it". I
think the docs reflect that.
As a relative new xtalker I have sometimes been confused when sometimes
"it" is called for, and sometimes "the result". Is there any general
rule to be aware of?
As a very general rule, "the result" is used for error info while "it"
contains data.
Are there other exceptions to this?
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Re: Bugzilla (was: Icons, IDs and Image Library)

2003-12-02 Thread Robert Brenstein

These would be nice feature requests but since my last 3 concize posts to
bugzilla
went lost, my 2 months-old bugzilla report is still untouched and Kevin
still
doesn't answer an important mail I sent him 2 months ago, I gave up using
Confuzilla...
Anyone else having problems with bugzilla?
Yes, it seems that bugzilla is buggy self. I have two entries there 
but when I sign up and ask to show my entries, it shows only one of 
them. If I find the other one thru search, I am shown as owner 
alright.

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Re: cross-platform compress & decompress

On 02 Dec 2003, at 18:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:48:17 -0800
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   ## result = -1448432724 2846534572 2846534572 294 664

Wow, you have a nice rig  :^)

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Re: RunRev

On Dec 2, 2003, at 1:50 PM, Roman Opendak wrote:

 I have many tricks up my sleve. Just need an idea.
Welcome! Here are some ideas:

1) Are you aware there is a project to develop a Free IDE in the spirit 
of Metacard, using the Revolution engine? Maybe that would be suitably 
challenging for you. :-)

 placeholder site
See the metacard mailing list also.
2) The Rev IDE needs a spell-checker plugin real bad. I started writing 
one and then it got put on the back burner.

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Re: RunRev

On Dec 2, 2003, at 3:13 PM, jbv wrote:

IMHO, C compilers (Code Warrior, Visual C...) are scary...

But not C, nor assembler.
Welll
C memory management is scary
(void *) are scary
buffer overruns are scary
Actually, the association between Rev (for front ends and a lot of
other tasks) and externals written in C is a killer...
That's for sure. proud author of 2 externals myself :-)

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Re: RunRev

2003-12-02 Thread Richard Gaskin

jbv wrote:

>> I am an experienced programmer, (means i know to stay away from Java and C)
> 
> I can understand for Java, but why stay away from C ?

Maybe he's not writing device drivers or operating systems?

Designed as a substitute for Assembler, C is too low level for optimal
productivity in building the majority of things it's used for.

If only Object Pascal had taken off, humanity would be free from using a
2.5GL in favor of a true 3GL  :)

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Re: Rev 1.1 apps launching Classic on OS X 10.3

On Dec 2, 2003, at 5:22 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote:

"I'm having trouble with Rev 1.1 builds and OS X.3, the apps try to
launch in Classic with no way to override this behaviour.
Can anyone else confirm this?"
Confirmed. See my previous post:
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2003-November/ 
026382.html
There must be a workaround... if one of you can send a standalone that  
exhibits this behavior I can take a peek on OS X 10.3 and see if  
fiddling with the app bundle can make it stop wanting to run with  
Classic.

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Rev 1.1 apps launching Classic on OS X 10.3

2003-12-02 Thread Kurt Kaufman

"I'm having trouble with Rev 1.1 builds and OS X.3, the apps try to
launch in Classic with no way to override this behaviour.
Can anyone else confirm this?"
Confirmed. See my previous post:
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2003-November/ 
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RE: Attaching OSX standalones to email

2003-12-02 Thread Monte Goulding

> I cannot attach a MacOSX Standalone file to email (I use Entourage, but I
> tried other programs, including web mail and it doesn't work there either)
> even though I have no difficulty attaching a MacOS9 or Windows Standalone
> file. What's the problem? On a PC, the standalone MACOSX file turns into a
> folder, which is why it can't be attached there. On the Mac, it
> is disabled
> when I try to attach it. Is there a work-around?

Yep... download DropDMG (or use disk copy) to make drive images or use
stuffit. The .app bundle format is a special kind of folder that OS X makes
look like an app.

Cheers

Monte

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RE: Drag n Drop Objects in Flash vs. Rev

2003-12-02 Thread Monte Goulding


> Can anyone point me in the right direction? Do Rev objects have built
> in drag and drop functionality, and if so, how is it accessed?

If it's a simple drag then you might want to see the grab command. More
complex drags can be done using mouse events (particularly mouseMove).

Cheers

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RE: listing files in a directory folder and subfolders and copy

2003-12-02 Thread Monte Goulding


> The app I want to create is simple. It should be able to browse to a
> directory folder and list all files in the folder and subfolders
> that have
> the .pic extension. E.g. clicking on the  "find folder" button in the
> schematic below will open the windows browse template and a colleague can
> navigate to their folder and by clicking OK it will list the
> paths to those
> files.
>
Check out revCopyFolder in the docs.

Cheers

Monte

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Re: Repeating events

2003-12-02 Thread Scott Rossi

On 12/2/03 2:40 PM, "Bill Vlahos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Couldn't you just check the time once a minute or so?
>> 
>>   on checkTime
>> if the time = "5:00 AM" or the time = "2:30 PM" then doMyStuff
>> send "checkTime" to me in 60 seconds
>>   end checkTime

> These are all great suggestions. This one will fit the bill perfectly
> and is very simple.

Great.  You could also do:

  if the time is in "5:00 AM,2:30 PM" then doMyStuff

It occurred to me that if you want to be absolutely safe in catching the
correct time, you might want to send every 50 seconds or so to allow a
little overlap between minutes.

Regards,

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Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: About object alingment in transcript...

2003-12-02 Thread Ray G. Miller



From: Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 

Not sure if you can get at the alignment scripts in Rev, but if not,
alignment scripts are accessible in MetaCard.
On a related note, I've always believed that object alignment is somewhat
non-standard in Rev and MC.  In most layout applications, when you align
objects to the left, for example, all objects move to the extreme left of
all selected objects, not the first object selected
In MetaCard, your choice of "the starting object" determines the 
"leftmost" object, although I've noticed inconsistent behavior here. 
Sometimes it obeys the first to last selected rule, and sometimes it 
takes the layer order of the objects to much cursing on my part, I 
may add.

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Re: Repeating events

2003-12-02 Thread Bill Vlahos

These are all great suggestions. This one will fit the bill perfectly 
and is very simple.

Thanks,
Bill Vlahos
On Dec 1, 2003, at 10:39 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

On 12/1/03 10:03 PM, "Bill Vlahos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have a script that I want to run every day at 5:00 AM and 2:30 PM 
and
am having the hardest time figuring out how to work simply and
reliably.
...
Is there a simple way to track multiple repeating events without going
bonkers keeping track of multiple send in times? I think I must be
trying too hard on this but I can't think of a simple way to do it.
Couldn't you just check the time once a minute or so?

  on checkTime
if the time = "5:00 AM" or the time = "2:30 PM" then doMyStuff
send "checkTime" to me in 60 seconds
  end checkTime
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Re: revTools at startUp - again?

I expect the script for opening the revTools is hidden in the locked 
Home stack.
What happens if you clear any extra stacks out of the Plugins folder?
Try selecting "Revolution UI Elements in Lists" from the View menu, 
then looking in the Application Browser to see if it lists revTools and 
if so, check exactly what stack it thinks is called revTools.
If all else fails, re-install Revolution and add back your plugins one 
at a time until you find the culprit :-)

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On 3 Dec 2003, at 8:00 am, Thomas J McGrath III wrote:

Sarah,

I think I messed with one of the "revTools" before but all I use now 
is Chipp's blue palette. When rev opens the revTools opens and then 
closes and then Chipp's blue palette opens and repositions itself to 
top left. I can get the revTools open from the menu BUT I want it back 
the way it was. I want it to open at startUp and to reposition itself 
to topleft and stay open.

Where might the code for opening the revTools palette be located??? 
any ideas???

Thanks

Tom

On Dec 2, 2003, at 4:54 PM, Sarah wrote:

I haven't had this problem, but I'm wondering if you have another 
stack called revTools that might be opening instead? I know Richmond 
has created a few alternative tool palettes and if you have installed 
one of them, the original revTools might either have gone or just be 
unable to open because there is another stack of the same name 
already open. I have used Chipp's blue palette without any 
ill-effect.

Cheers,
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On 2 Dec 2003, at 10:52 pm, Thomas J McGrath III wrote:

Hello everyone, I asked this a few days ago but did not get an 
answer?

I added a few plugins to REV and now I have the BLUE tool bar show 
up - which is ok cause I like the save archives in it - but now the 
built-in revTools does not show up at start up.
Where and how can I 'set' the revTools to show up at start up?

Thanks

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Drag n Drop Objects in Flash vs. Rev

2003-12-02 Thread Alan Golub

Over the Thanksgiving weekend, I perused this month's issue of 
MacDesign, and found a cute Flash MX tutorial for the holidays. The 
final Flash movie displayed a bare X-mas tree with several glowing 
ornaments on the floor around the tree. The user could click on the 
ornaments and drag them onto the tree, effectively "decorating" their 
own digital tree. The tutorial covered implementing the drag-and-drop 
functionality through the "on startDrag" and "on stopDrag" ActionScript 
events, and how to give each ornament a cool-looking pulsating glow 
effect (essentially by creating a motion tween in which the brightness 
of the ornament object continuously loops from low to high).

Reading the tutorial, I couldn't help but think what a neat little 
holiday toy to build and share with family and friends -- perhaps with 
my own embellishments, such as falling snow, an on-off switch for the 
tree lights, and a holiday music soundtrack, of course.

I built a first draft in Flash MX 2004 in about 4 hours, including 
actually drawing the tree and several different ornaments within Flash 
itself. I'm no Flash expert, but the tutorial made it easy.

For kicks, and because I thought I could do a much better version of 
the same project (probably in even less time), I decided to try to 
build the project from scratch in Revolution. Unfortunately, I ran into 
difficulty right away when I realized that there seems to be no built 
in handler to implement drag and drop functionality for Revolution 
objects. I checked the documentation, but couldn't find it anywhere (as 
far as I can tell, the "drag" and "drop" commands in Rev relate only to 
dragging and dropping text into fields).

Can anyone point me in the right direction? Do Rev objects have built 
in drag and drop functionality, and if so, how is it accessed?

Much thanks!

Alan S. Golub
StoryCard Software, LLC
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Re: RunRev

2003-12-02 Thread jbv



> >
> > I can understand for Java, but why stay away from C ?
> >
> > Just curious,
> > JB
> >
>
> because its scary

Are you sure ?

IMHO, C compilers (Code Warrior, Visual C...) are scary...

But not C, nor assembler.

Futhermore, Rev is scary, especially when you're used to the
"vintage" MetaCard IDE...;-) just kidding of course...

More seriously, when using certain transcript commands, it feels
very close from using APIs or C librairies...
And C still allows you to develop things you can't even dream to
do with Rev (like networked realtime interactive 3D graphics,
realtime FFTs and other sound / image processing, high end
scientific / statistic calculations...).
Actually, the association between Rev (for front ends and a lot of
other tasks) and externals written in C is a killer...

Just my 2 cts.
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Re: Repeating events

Hi Bill,

You have already received some good advice here, but having done quite 
a lot of this sort of thing, here is some extra advice:
- store the script run times in 24 hour format - that makes it much 
easier to handle the transition to the following day.
- have a routine that is called on startup or openStack that sets the 
next script run time and sends the message. If this makes sure to 
cancel any pending messages to your script, it can be run whenever you 
might be doubtful about the message.
- after the script has run, call this routine again to set the 
following one, making sure that it doesn't set it for it's own minute 
again.
- ALWAYS check for left-over messages so that you aren't getting 
multiple sends to the same script.

I have a set of standard message sending scripts I use:
cancelMessageName   -- cancels all messages with the specified name
cancelMessageID -- cancels all messages with the specified id
setupNextCall   -- cancels messages then sends a new one
sendMessageAt   -- sends a message at a particular time
If you are interested, let me know and I can send you them off-list.

Cheers,
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On 2 Dec 2003, at 4:05 pm, Bill Vlahos wrote:

I have a script that I want to run every day at 5:00 AM and 2:30 PM 
and am having the hardest time figuring out how to work simply and 
reliably. The following script will figure out how many seconds from 
some arbitrary time to the next 5:00 AM. Normally the script will run 
automatically but it will be possible that the user might run it 
manually at any time.

convert the short time to dateItems
add 1 to item 3 of it -- tomorrow
put 5 into item 4 of it -- 5 AM
put 0 into item 5 of it -- :00 seconds
convert it to seconds
put it into vNextTime
convert the time to seconds -- current time
put it into vNow
put vNextTime - vNow into vTimeOffset -- number of seconds until the 
next 5:00 AM

This works OK for one repeating time per day but I want more than one 
(at this point it is two but it would be good to make a general case 
for any number of times the script is to be run).

Is there a simple way to track multiple repeating events without going 
bonkers keeping track of multiple send in times? I think I must be 
trying too hard on this but I can't think of a simple way to do it.

Bill

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Re: revTools at startUp - again?

Sarah,

I think I messed with one of the "revTools" before but all I use now is 
Chipp's blue palette. When rev opens the revTools opens and then closes 
and then Chipp's blue palette opens and repositions itself to top left. 
I can get the revTools open from the menu BUT I want it back the way it 
was. I want it to open at startUp and to reposition itself to topleft 
and stay open.

Where might the code for opening the revTools palette be located??? any 
ideas???

Thanks

Tom

On Dec 2, 2003, at 4:54 PM, Sarah wrote:

I haven't had this problem, but I'm wondering if you have another 
stack called revTools that might be opening instead? I know Richmond 
has created a few alternative tool palettes and if you have installed 
one of them, the original revTools might either have gone or just be 
unable to open because there is another stack of the same name already 
open. I have used Chipp's blue palette without any ill-effect.

Cheers,
Sarah
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On 2 Dec 2003, at 10:52 pm, Thomas J McGrath III wrote:

Hello everyone, I asked this a few days ago but did not get an answer?

I added a few plugins to REV and now I have the BLUE tool bar show up 
- which is ok cause I like the save archives in it - but now the 
built-in revTools does not show up at start up.
Where and how can I 'set' the revTools to show up at start up?

Thanks

Tom



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Re: revTools at startUp - again?

I haven't had this problem, but I'm wondering if you have another stack 
called revTools that might be opening instead? I know Richmond has 
created a few alternative tool palettes and if you have installed one 
of them, the original revTools might either have gone or just be unable 
to open because there is another stack of the same name already open. I 
have used Chipp's blue palette without any ill-effect.

Cheers,
Sarah
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On 2 Dec 2003, at 10:52 pm, Thomas J McGrath III wrote:

Hello everyone, I asked this a few days ago but did not get an answer?

I added a few plugins to REV and now I have the BLUE tool bar show up 
- which is ok cause I like the save archives in it - but now the 
built-in revTools does not show up at start up.
Where and how can I 'set' the revTools to show up at start up?

Thanks

Tom



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Re: HELP with mov FLASHING

Ken, Heather,

I figured out what was going wrong. I had a selection changed in the 
main stack that was being called when the movie in a substack was being 
clicked on. I don't know if I like that happening from a substack or 
not but I took it out of the main stack and put it in the shared 
background group of the cards I needed a selectionChanged on. Below is 
my script - I probably should have put a field checker before locking 
the screen etc. -- it appears that once the frames were changed in the 
movie a selectionChanged was sent from the substack to the mainstack 
where this code was.

on selectionChanged
  lock screen
   put the number of this card into lmyCard
find the clickText in field "SearchField" of card "Glossary..."
if the result is "Not found"  -- not the text of me in field 
"SearchField"
then
  -- beep
else
  put value(the foundLine) into field "Glos" -- background group 
field
end if
go card lmyCard -- keep us from switching to the card "Glossary..." 
stay right here
unlock screen
end selectionChanged

Thanks All,

Near Panic But OK Now. WHEWW!!!

Tom

On Dec 2, 2003, at 2:30 PM, Ken Norris wrote:

Hi Tom,

Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:06:47 -0500
From: Thomas J McGrath III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HELP with mov FLASHING

Well now the movie flashes to white when I click on it. It does change
to the next slide but the flash to white is just awful.
--
I had a problem like that awhile back.
Try a "send in " right after you call the file. Might give it an
unnoticeable spot of time to get the image before displaying it.
HTH,
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Re: Control Ids & Ordinals of Cloned Stacks

I reference menu buttons by id rather than name to support application 
translatability.  I have had to change the references from "button id 
[the id]" to "button [ordinal] of group "myMenubar" in stacks that can 
be cloned (plain "button [ordinal]" also resolves to different 
controls in the original & cloned stacks).

It seems to me that, ideally, a cloned stack should be identical to 
the stack from which it was cloned.  If you are expecting this 
behavior, be aware it isn't always so.
Thanks for the warning Rob, but as far as translatability goes, don't 
forget the label property for buttons. You can have button (or menu) 
NAME constant and just change the LABEL to convert to a different 
language.

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Re: RunRev

2003-12-02 Thread Roman Opendak


> 
> I can understand for Java, but why stay away from C ?
> 
> Just curious,
> JB
> 

because its scary
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re: Writing PDF files from RunRev

2003-12-02 Thread tuviah snyder

>As for developping a general library for PDF export, it also crossed my
>mind a few times...
>BTW, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I vaguely recall reading
>somewhere (long time ago) that developping an app that can read PDF
>files is OK, but OTOH developping an app that generates PDF files
>requires to purchase a license from Adobe...
>Does this rule still apply ? And, if yes, would a PDF export lib for Rev
>require a license ?
OSX has native support for PDF and can render or export to PDF with a few
lines of code. On other platforms you would need to license a SDK..but when
you need it you need it. We may support displaying PDFs in the future or
printing to PDF on OSX.

You can view PDFs in Windows as well using the acrobat COM component or the
altuit web browser DLL.

http://partners.adobe.com/asn/tech/pdf/acrobatsdks.jsp

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Re: Printing Transparent PNG's

2003-12-02 Thread Scott Rossi

On 12/2/03 12:30 PM, "Sannyasin Sivakatirswami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Transparent PNG images in a stack print just fine on our Xante Laser
> writer driven by Macs. But the same stack-card printed from an Windows
> machine to an Epson Stylus inkjet color printer appears as a black box.
> 
> I suspect this is a question of printer drivers and the use of emulated
> postscript and not true postscript (for which Epson has been loath to
> pay the license fees on all but their top large format printers) But,
> hoping I am wrong.. is there a work around short of changing the image
> format on the fly  to .jpg (and losing the transparency) before
> printing? If not, I'll just have to eliminate use of png transparency
> for anything that needs printed output

If you're talking about printing from a stack, try importing a snapshot of
the current card/stack and then printing.  If it works, you can then delete
the snapshot immediately after printing.

Regards,

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Printing Transparent PNG's

2003-12-02 Thread Sannyasin Sivakatirswami

Transparent PNG images in a stack print just fine on our Xante Laser 
writer driven by Macs. But the same stack-card printed from an Windows 
machine to an Epson Stylus inkjet color printer appears as a black box.

I suspect this is a question of printer drivers and the use of emulated 
postscript and not true postscript (for which Epson has been loath to 
pay the license fees on all but their top large format printers) But, 
hoping I am wrong.. is there a work around short of changing the image 
format on the fly  to .jpg (and losing the transparency) before 
printing? If not, I'll just have to eliminate use of png transparency 
for anything that needs printed output

Hoping it's not true...

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Re: Trapping for Cancel Answer printer

2003-12-02 Thread Sannyasin Sivakatirswami

Well, choosing "Cancel" in a system dialog box would return 
dialogData...feedback on user selection is consider "error data"  but 
"Cancel" is passed to "the result," not "it"  for "answer printer"

So, if there is a "general rule" its not that which you propose.
It would be good to now what it is...
On Dec 1, 2003, at 3:11 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Alex Rice wrote:

On Nov 30, 2003, at 12:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is either a bug, where for use of  "answer printer" Rev should
pass the result to "it" or needs more documentation if the globally
expected engine behavior is for anything from the system to *not* be
in "it" but be passed via the result, which is also logical. Old time
xTalkers may take that for granted, newbies will stumble
As Ken confirmed, the solution is to check the result, not "it". I
think the docs reflect that.
As a relative new xtalker I have sometimes been confused when 
sometimes
"it" is called for, and sometimes "the result". Is there any general
rule to be aware of?
As a very general rule, "the result" is used for error info while "it"
contains data.
Are there other exceptions to this?
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Re: About object alingment in transcript...

2003-12-02 Thread Scott Rossi

On 12/2/03 11:31 PM, "Andre Garzia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there a way to align objects using transcript? Like side by side or
> stuff like that... I know we can select them and use the inspector to
> align but I wanted to do that dinamically during runtime.

Not sure if you can get at the alignment scripts in Rev, but if not,
alignment scripts are accessible in MetaCard.

On a related note, I've always believed that object alignment is somewhat
non-standard in Rev and MC.  In most layout applications, when you align
objects to the left, for example, all objects move to the extreme left of
all selected objects, not the first object selected.  (I suppose in an ideal
world it might be good to provide both options for alignment.) I've written
some scripts that deal with object alignment in the above manner.  If you
can't track down any of the development environment scripts, let me know.

Regards,

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Re: RunRev

2003-12-02 Thread jbv



> Roman Opendak wrote:
>
> I am an experienced programmer, (means i know to stay away from Java and C)

I can understand for Java, but why stay away from C ?

Just curious,
JB

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Re: RunRev

2003-12-02 Thread T. R. Ponn

Roman Opendak wrote:

Hello,

I am a fairly capable programmer who started with HyperCard 1.2 in 1992 :-) I was in sixth grade then

Wonderful...we're very much alike! I was 45 years old in '92...but my
wife says I still have the mind of a sixth grader!

Now totally psyched to find Runtime Revolution. To me it means that thousands of hours of my life have not gone to waste.

Same thing here...about a year ago I "discovered" Rev, and I've been
deeply in love since.

To see the clarity of hypercard in the abstracted world of windows is amazing.

...or perverse...depends on your perspective, I guess.

Does the runrev community need a well designed, open app. or does anyone want to work together on a free project. I am an experienced programmer, (means i know to stay away from Java and C) focused on interface design and optimization. I have many tricks up my sleve. Just need an idea.

OK...I've been holding back until I had the time for this one. This
would be fun, I think...and perhaps just what your enthusiastic mind
needs. I used to use an app called "Dumptruck" for batch URL
submission, but it seems to have disappeared in the last couple years.
It was a neat tool. You gave it a list of search engines you wanted to
submit your web site to, clicked a button, went for coffee...et voila!
Much easier than doing it manually! This is perfect for Rev, and will
test your mettle for good GUI, string manipulation, understanding CGI,
Rev web tools, and a few other things along the way. A bonus is that,
IMHO, a good part of the Rev community seems to be small biz...and
therefore interested in tools like this to help spread the word of their
web site existence.

If you're interested, have at it!

Best Regards (and bumming cuz I never seem to have time for the fun ones),

Tim Ponn

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About object alingment in transcript...

2003-12-02 Thread Andre Garzia

Hi Folks,

Is there a way to align objects using transcript? Like side by side or 
stuff like that... I know we can select them and use the inspector to 
align but I wanted to do that dinamically during runtime.

Cheers
Andre Garzia  2003
imac2 ibook p100 e uma torradeira
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Re: HELP with mov FLASHING

2003-12-02 Thread Ken Norris

Hi Tom,

> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:06:47 -0500
> From: Thomas J McGrath III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: HELP with mov FLASHING

> Well now the movie flashes to white when I click on it. It does change
> to the next slide but the flash to white is just awful.
--
I had a problem like that awhile back.

Try a "send in " right after you call the file. Might give it an
unnoticeable spot of time to get the image before displaying it.

HTH,
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Re: How do I create an unreferenced image?

2003-12-02 Thread Ken Norris

Hi Scott,

> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:35:56 -0800
> From: Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: How do I create an unreferenced image?
> On 12/1/03 8:38 PM, "Ken Norris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>> once I've worked out how to name the
>>> image after it's imported (don't worry, I'm sure that this is trivial
>>> although it's not mentioned in the documentation for 'import' - I guess
>>> I just have to find the last numbered image and change its name).
>> --
>> Yes, but you could write it into the script, pretty much like you just said:
>> 
>> get the id of the last image
>> set the name of image id it to "MyFabulousDrawing"
> 
> 
> You don't even need the first line:
> 
> set name of last img to "MyFabulousDrawing"
--
By golly, you're right! I was just thinking he may have wanted to retrieve
the id for other referencing purposes.

Ken N.

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Re: Attaching OSX standalones to email

On Dec 2, 2003, at 11:29 AM, Cornelia Brunner wrote:

I cannot attach a MacOSX Standalone file to email (I use Entourage, 
but I
tried other programs, including web mail and it doesn't work there 
either)
even though I have no difficulty attaching a MacOS9 or Windows 
Standalone
file. What's the problem? On a PC, the standalone MACOSX file turns 
into a
folder, which is why it can't be attached there. On the Mac, it is 
disabled
when I try to attach it. Is there a work-around?
Cornelia, an OS X a standalone is a "bundle". It's actually a folder 
containing special files including a manifest, icons and an executable 
file. That's why it doesn't work attaching it to email: the email 
client is not smart enough to traverse the whole bundle attaching all 
the pieces.

I don't use .sit or .zip, as Klaus recommended, instead I use DMG. This 
is a disk image and will open up with Disk Copy.app automatically when 
the user double clicks on it. See Disk Copy.app or Disk Utility.app. Or 
use the good shareware product DropDMG.

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Re: Attaching OSX standalones to email

2003-12-02 Thread Klaus Major

Hi Cornelia,

I cannot attach a MacOSX Standalone file to email (I use Entourage, 
but I
tried other programs, including web mail and it doesn't work there 
either)
even though I have no difficulty attaching a MacOS9 or Windows 
Standalone
file. What's the problem? On a PC, the standalone MACOSX file turns 
into a
folder, which is why it can't be attached there. On the Mac, it is 
disabled
when I try to attach it. Is there a work-around?
Create a Stuffit-archive from the standalone :-)
Or a ZIP-archive...
Works fine and is standard on the mac...

Hope that helps.

Regards

Klaus Major
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P.S.
OS X standalones ARE folders, actually!
OS X just fools the user and makes him see an app :-D
But a control-click reveals the truth...
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Re: listing files in a directory folder and subfolders and copy

2003-12-02 Thread Björnke von Gierke

You need to make a directory walker. You have to loop trough all the 
folders and set the defaultfolder to it, then loop trough these folders 
etc. Watch out for the .. directory on macosx and unix systems, it 
might trap you in a infinite loop.

for example:
--WARNING script untested
on lookateachfolder thefolder --thefolder is a path
  set the defaultfolder to thefolder
  repeat for each line theLine in the folders
if char one of theLine <> "." then
  set the defaultfolder to theLine
  --do your file listing here using "the files"
  lookateachfolder (the defaultfolder & "/" & theLine) --for 
folders in this folder
end if
  end repeat
end lookateachfolder

On Dienstag, Dez 2, 2003, at 13:31 Europe/Zurich, Bob Hartley wrote:

Hi all

I am new to revolution. I have been impressed by the demo and after 5 
days decided to buy it. :-

I'm creating an app for our office to copy files from one directory to 
another. "I" normally use total commander for this on windows, but my 
colleagues are still insistent on explorer. Doh

The app I want to create is simple. It should be able to browse to a 
directory folder and list all files in the folder and subfolders that 
have the .pic extension. E.g. clicking on the  "find folder" button in 
the schematic below will open the windows browse template and a 
colleague can navigate to their folder and by clicking OK it will list 
the paths to those files.

eg R:\medical\dave\images
or R:\medical\bobsstuff\
However the folder "images will have 20 folders in it and the .pic 
files will be in these. IE. It needs to list all the .pic files in the 
sub-folders.

Then clicking on the "put in this folder"; all the files listed will 
be copied to the destination folder

It will look like this
##
get image files from this directory

///
find folder this is a box
//

put in this folder  another box


COPY
///
I checked the help files and can see how to list a files and folders 
in one directory. OK so far but to list all in the subfolders is not 
clear to me.

Thanks for the help and bearing with a newbie.

Cheers
Bob
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Re: How do I create an unreferenced image?

2003-12-02 Thread Wilhelm Sanke

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003, Ken Norris wrote:

Hi Wilhelm,
(snip)
You can choose either one from the pulldown File menu in RR:
Import As Control  (embedded)...or
New Referenced Control  (file reference)
No waiting, no extra dialog (other than the Answer file), nothing to
'uncheck'.
Howcome that's 'mis-improved'?

Ken N.



Hi Ken,

You win. 
This happens when you are in the course of Revolution bashing because so many things are irking you.

Look twice before you speak is a good rule.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke

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Re: cross-platform compress & decompress

2003-12-02 Thread Mark Brownell

On Tuesday, December 2, 2003, at 04:48  AM, Wouter wrote:

The < put binaryDecode("N",str,halfBlock) into numConverted >
in your blowfish handler can produce an unsigned integer on
the Windows platform where as on the Mac a signed integer is
 produced. This is probably an engine related problem.
To test this try the following on both platforms and compare
[snip]
Greetings,
WA
PS In fact with a litle adjustment your Blowfish stack is working on 
both platforms
I tried it with a speed test and the solution I'm using now:

on mouseUp
  ## I added speed testing
  put num2char("169,170,171,172") into x
  ## N - decode signed four-byte integers in network order
  put binaryDecode("N",x,halfBlock1) into numConverted
  ## I - decode unsigned four-byte integers in host order
  put the milliseconds into zap1
  repeat with i = 1 to 10
put binaryDecode("I",x,halfBlock2) into numConverted
  end repeat
  put the milliseconds into zap2
  put zap2 - zap1 into t1
  ## my solution I'm using now
  put the milliseconds into zap6
  repeat with ii = 1 to 10
put charToNum(char 4 of x) + (charToNum(char 3 of x) * 256) + 
(charToNum(char 2 of x) * 65536) + (charToNum(char 1 of x) * 16777216) 
bitAnd 4294967295 into halfBlock3
  end repeat
  put the milliseconds into zap7
  put zap7 - zap6 into t2
  put halfblock1 && halfblock2 && halfblock3 && t1 && t2
  ## result = -1448432724 2846534572 2846534572 294 664
end mouseUp

function num2char sx
  repeat for each item i in sx
put numtochar(i)  after z
  end repeat
  return z
end num2char
I'll have to see if this works with macToIso/isoToMac for delivery. I'm 
curently using ascii numbers that in the end take the charSet issue out 
of the delivery issue for decryption. The numbers also split out into 
an array that allows for one step to be dropped during decryption.

Thank you for mentioning this. This could add at the least a 100% 
increase in speed to the current state of the working version.

Mark Brownell



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Re: Control Ids & Ordinals of Cloned Stacks

2003-12-02 Thread xbury . cs

Rob,

try the old finder duplicate file feature! 
Just remember that RR or MC can't handle two stacks with the same name! 

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Hi All,

Yesterday I was surprised to find that the ids & ordinals of the menu 
buttons and other controls of a cloned stack were not the same as 
those in the stack it was cloned from.  (At least not always, if it 
seems to work for you, try modifying the order of the controls in the 
source stack before cloning it.)

Apparently, if one uses control id references in stack handlers, one 
must be sure never to clone the stack.

I reference menu buttons by id rather than name to support 
application translatability.  I have had to change the references 
from "button id [the id]" to "button [ordinal] of group "myMenubar" 
in stacks that can be cloned (plain "button [ordinal]" also resolves 
to different controls in the original & cloned stacks).

It seems to me that, ideally, a cloned stack should be identical to 
the stack from which it was cloned.  If you are expecting this 
behavior, be aware it isn't always so.

Rob Cozens
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Control Ids & Ordinals of Cloned Stacks

2003-12-02 Thread Rob Cozens

Hi All,

Yesterday I was surprised to find that the ids & ordinals of the menu 
buttons and other controls of a cloned stack were not the same as 
those in the stack it was cloned from.  (At least not always, if it 
seems to work for you, try modifying the order of the controls in the 
source stack before cloning it.)

Apparently, if one uses control id references in stack handlers, one 
must be sure never to clone the stack.

I reference menu buttons by id rather than name to support 
application translatability.  I have had to change the references 
from "button id [the id]" to "button [ordinal] of group "myMenubar" 
in stacks that can be cloned (plain "button [ordinal]" also resolves 
to different controls in the original & cloned stacks).

It seems to me that, ideally, a cloned stack should be identical to 
the stack from which it was cloned.  If you are expecting this 
behavior, be aware it isn't always so.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.net/who.htm
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Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
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Re: Icons, IDs and Image Library

2003-12-02 Thread xbury . cs

Shocking!

Sorry about the suggestion using the name! The name gets reverted to the 
image
ID after a desel-reselection... 

Be my guest to post another zilla bug...

On 02/12/2003 15:13:06 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>First, the nice answer: The image's name can be used as the icon
>reference!
>
>Of course the one thing that could be also nice to use is the AltID prop
>but
>it's another missing piece in the Props palette. And you can't use it to
>assign
>a button an icon - so you wonder why it exists right?
>
>Now regarding confusion between two similar IDs in separate stacks, I'd
>avoid it!
>It seems that the first loaded ID is the one in use which may not be your
>choice...
>
>These would be nice feature requests but since my last 3 concize posts to
>bugzilla
>went lost, my 2 months-old bugzilla report is still untouched and Kevin
>still
>doesn't answer an important mail I sent him 2 months ago, I gave up using
>Confuzilla...
>
>Anyone else having problems with bugzilla?
>
>On 02/12/2003 14:44:40 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>>I sent this email just now from the apple 'Mail' client and it
>>bounced. Possibly some of it got through - if so, apologies for the
>>partial double posting.
>>
>>I've been trying to chase a very obscure bug that's something to do
>>with setting the icon of a button to the ID of an image. During this
>>(so far unsuccessful) activity, I've found some strange things -
>>well, strange to me.
>>
>>1. IDs are unique to a stack, but not unique to a whole stack file
>>(the same ID can appear in different stacks), but the 'icon' property
>>of an image is just a number - it can't be qualified by a stack name.
>>In fact the TD says:
>>
>>"You can set the ID of an image. Be careful not to set an image ID to
>>a number that's the ID of another object in the same stack:  since
>>Revolution uses IDs to keep track of objects, a conflict may prevent
>>Revolution from being able to access one or both objects."
>>
>>But since you can't choose ID numbers (can you?) the possibility does
>>exist of the icon property pointing to an unintended image (i.e. one
>>in a different stack from the one intended). How can I make sure this
>>doesn't happen? (BTW I think this is a rather sloppy exception to the
>>normal scope rules, - you can imagine ID refs like 3.1055 meaning "ID
>>1055 in stack 3", which would be unique - but I guess there must be
>>at least historical reasons for it).
>>
>>2. If I set the icon property of a button using the IDE by clicking
>>on the symbol next to the 'icon' field in the object's inspector, I
>>then get a window which lists the available icons, including those in
>>'this stack' - but I now see that although all the images in the
>>current stack are listed, some of then show **the wrong ID numbers**
>>in the corresponding tooltip - the only way to find out which ID
>>you're using. For example, one reported in its tooltip as ID 1043
>>turns out to have ID 1103 - 1043 was deleted from an earlier version
>>and is not now assigned. Is this a bug?
>>
>>3. I guess this is likely my fault, but it appears so far that if I
>>set the icon of my button to an animated GIF (yes, that old thing!),
>>for just some GIF IDs the animation doesn't show up, even though the
>>GIF is merrily animating on its own card (not shown to the user). I'm
>>not really asking for listers to waste any more time on this, but I
>>admit I would be interested in any ideas about how I might attack the
>>problem.
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Graham
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Re: Icons, IDs and Image Library

2003-12-02 Thread xbury . cs

First, the nice answer: The image's name can be used as the icon 
reference!

Of course the one thing that could be also nice to use is the AltID prop 
but
it's another missing piece in the Props palette. And you can't use it to 
assign
a button an icon - so you wonder why it exists right? 

Now regarding confusion between two similar IDs in separate stacks, I'd 
avoid it! 
It seems that the first loaded ID is the one in use which may not be your 
choice...

These would be nice feature requests but since my last 3 concize posts to 
bugzilla 
went lost, my 2 months-old bugzilla report is still untouched and Kevin 
still
doesn't answer an important mail I sent him 2 months ago, I gave up using 
Confuzilla... 

Anyone else having problems with bugzilla?

On 02/12/2003 14:44:40 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>I sent this email just now from the apple 'Mail' client and it
>bounced. Possibly some of it got through - if so, apologies for the
>partial double posting.
>
>I've been trying to chase a very obscure bug that's something to do
>with setting the icon of a button to the ID of an image. During this
>(so far unsuccessful) activity, I've found some strange things -
>well, strange to me.
>
>1. IDs are unique to a stack, but not unique to a whole stack file
>(the same ID can appear in different stacks), but the 'icon' property
>of an image is just a number - it can't be qualified by a stack name.
>In fact the TD says:
>
>"You can set the ID of an image. Be careful not to set an image ID to
>a number that's the ID of another object in the same stack:  since
>Revolution uses IDs to keep track of objects, a conflict may prevent
>Revolution from being able to access one or both objects."
>
>But since you can't choose ID numbers (can you?) the possibility does
>exist of the icon property pointing to an unintended image (i.e. one
>in a different stack from the one intended). How can I make sure this
>doesn't happen? (BTW I think this is a rather sloppy exception to the
>normal scope rules, - you can imagine ID refs like 3.1055 meaning "ID
>1055 in stack 3", which would be unique - but I guess there must be
>at least historical reasons for it).
>
>2. If I set the icon property of a button using the IDE by clicking
>on the symbol next to the 'icon' field in the object's inspector, I
>then get a window which lists the available icons, including those in
>'this stack' - but I now see that although all the images in the
>current stack are listed, some of then show **the wrong ID numbers**
>in the corresponding tooltip - the only way to find out which ID
>you're using. For example, one reported in its tooltip as ID 1043
>turns out to have ID 1103 - 1043 was deleted from an earlier version
>and is not now assigned. Is this a bug?
>
>3. I guess this is likely my fault, but it appears so far that if I
>set the icon of my button to an animated GIF (yes, that old thing!),
>for just some GIF IDs the animation doesn't show up, even though the
>GIF is merrily animating on its own card (not shown to the user). I'm
>not really asking for listers to waste any more time on this, but I
>admit I would be interested in any ideas about how I might attack the
>problem.
>
>TIA
>
>Graham

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Icons, IDs and Image Library

2003-12-02 Thread Graham Samuel

I sent this email just now from the apple 'Mail' client and it 
bounced. Possibly some of it got through - if so, apologies for the 
partial double posting.

I've been trying to chase a very obscure bug that's something to do 
with setting the icon of a button to the ID of an image. During this 
(so far unsuccessful) activity, I've found some strange things - 
well, strange to me.

1. IDs are unique to a stack, but not unique to a whole stack file 
(the same ID can appear in different stacks), but the 'icon' property 
of an image is just a number - it can't be qualified by a stack name. 
In fact the TD says:

"You can set the ID of an image. Be careful not to set an image ID to 
a number that's the ID of another object in the same stack:  since 
Revolution uses IDs to keep track of objects, a conflict may prevent 
Revolution from being able to access one or both objects."

But since you can't choose ID numbers (can you?) the possibility does 
exist of the icon property pointing to an unintended image (i.e. one 
in a different stack from the one intended). How can I make sure this 
doesn't happen? (BTW I think this is a rather sloppy exception to the 
normal scope rules, - you can imagine ID refs like 3.1055 meaning "ID 
1055 in stack 3", which would be unique - but I guess there must be 
at least historical reasons for it).

2. If I set the icon property of a button using the IDE by clicking 
on the symbol next to the 'icon' field in the object's inspector, I 
then get a window which lists the available icons, including those in 
'this stack' - but I now see that although all the images in the 
current stack are listed, some of then show **the wrong ID numbers** 
in the corresponding tooltip - the only way to find out which ID 
you're using. For example, one reported in its tooltip as ID 1043 
turns out to have ID 1103 - 1043 was deleted from an earlier version 
and is not now assigned. Is this a bug?

3. I guess this is likely my fault, but it appears so far that if I 
set the icon of my button to an animated GIF (yes, that old thing!), 
for just some GIF IDs the animation doesn't show up, even though the 
GIF is merrily animating on its own card (not shown to the user). I'm 
not really asking for listers to waste any more time on this, but I 
admit I would be interested in any ideas about how I might attack the 
problem.

TIA

Graham
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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 3, Issue 7

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:36:59 -0800
From: Mark Brownell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cross-platform compress & decompress
To: How to use Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

I have tried compressing and decompressing the whole file as the first
test. I tried compressing the data from a variable as a second test.
I've looked at the same data in a text editor on both platforms and I
did a comparison of charToNum() of the compressed data on both
platforms. This was the exact same problem I had with blowfish I 
think.
I solved it by constricting cross-platform data transfers to less than
ascii 127; even though the data can represent up to ascii 255. My
blowfish algorithm does it all as numerical values until the final
rendering. I had to drop binaryEncode() & binaryDecode() in order to
get numerical only results within the process. That's why I think it's
something like upper ascii character values across platforms.
snip

PS In fact with a litle adjustment your Blowfish stack is working on 
both platforms

Greetins,
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Re: Stacks 'Winking Out' or Hiding Behind BackDrop

2003-12-02 Thread Kathy Jaqua

Re: Stacks 'winking out' or hiding behind backDrop.
 
I am not sure if this is a bug.  To keep the backDrop
present; that is, set to black,
one must keep in mind the message passing order. In
HyperCard-remember the old days-we RESUME to the Card
then the Stack. So try:

In Stack Script:

on openCard
set the backDrop to "Black"
pass openCard
end openCard

on suspend
set the backDrop to none
pass suspend
end suspend

on resume
send "openCard" to this stack in 1 millisecond
pass resume
end resume

I seem to remember that to avoid confusion when
sending an 'on resume' or 'on resumeStack' message
handler we put some 'resume' commands into a
'themOldHandlerBlues' message handler. 

This 'themOldHandlerBlues' handler is sent to openCard
'on resume'.

So Try:

on themOldHandlerBlues
set the backDrop to "Black"
end themOldHandlerBlues

on openCard
-- other openCard stuff here
themOldHandlerBlues
pass openCard
end openCard


I just discovered Revolution and find it delightful.
Developing software in X-Talk languages again is a
bright spot in my life. 

I think this will work in Revolution. (Did I mention
"I Think"? I mean I Hope:)

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revTools at startUp - again?

Hello everyone, I asked this a few days ago but did not get an answer?

I added a few plugins to REV and now I have the BLUE tool bar show up - 
which is ok cause I like the save archives in it - but now the built-in 
revTools does not show up at start up.
Where and how can I 'set' the revTools to show up at start up?

Thanks

Tom



Macintosh PowerBook G-4 OSX 10.3.1, OS 9.2.2, 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM, Rev 
2.1.2

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