Split to Array on Repeat Skips Every Other Line??
Incoming data stored in a global and then try to split this on a loop... every other line on output is empty. global gSomeData # which has six lines of data repeat for each line x in gSomeData split x with | and tab put x[Project] tab (x[hours] +round(x[hour-fraction],2)) tab x[Fund_Category] cr after tLog end repeat put tLog returns: Online-Donations5.41Public Services 0 Digital-Dharma-List 6.5 Public Services 0 Publishers-Desk-Interface 6.75Funded Projects 0 Every other line is skipped! ??? I *can* re-do this using an itemdel algorithm and skip the split to array, but using these little arrays is so much more efficient (if it worked of course) Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split to Array on Repeat Skips Every Other Line??
OK, well I solved the problem by taking the split out of the loop to a function, now it works. But I still think this is a bug. on mouseUp repeat for each line x in gLogData put returnLogEntry(x) cr after tLog end repeat put tLog into fld logViewer end mouseup function returnLogEntry x split x with | and tab return (x[Project] tab (x[hours] +round(x[hour-fraction],2)) tab x[Fund_Category]) end returnLogEntry Now I get all six lines as expected: Online-Donations5.41Public Services Publishers-Desk-Interface 1.25Public Services Digital-Dharma-List 6.5 Public Services Web-Editor-Upgrade 2.17Public Services Publishers-Desk-Interface 6.75Funded Projects Online-Donations1.08Public Services skts On May 15, 2005, at 8:00 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: Incoming data stored in a global and then try to split this on a loop... every other line on output is empty. global gSomeData # which has six lines of data repeat for each line x in gSomeData split x with | and tab put x[Project] tab (x[hours] +round(x[hour-fraction],2)) tab x[Fund_Category] cr after tLog end repeat put tLog returns: Online-Donations5.41Public Services 0 Digital-Dharma-List 6.5 Public Services 0 Publishers-Desk-Interface 6.75Funded Projects 0 Every other line is skipped! ??? I *can* re-do this using an itemdel algorithm and skip the split to array, but using these little arrays is so much more efficient (if it worked of course) Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split to Array on Repeat Skips Every Other Line??
Just out of curiosity, what happens with the following: global gSomeData # which has six lines of data repeat for each line x in gSomeData put x into y split y with | and tab put y[Project] tab (y[hours] +round(y[hour-fraction],2)) tab y[Fund_Category] cr after tLog end repeat Wondering if Rev was having some trouble with the repeat for each variable being used as an array... - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
Welcome to our list Ruslan :-) I'm no database expert, though you can find plenty of them on the SQLite open source website: www.sqlite.org I challenge you to post your benchmarks there if you're serious about getting a response. There you'll find more of the 'war' I believe you're searching for. Though, I can point to some speed facts about the program: From the SQLite.org home page: A series of tests were run to measure the relative performance of SQLite 2.7.6, PostgreSQL 7.1.3, and MySQL 3.23.41. The following are general conclusions drawn from these experiments: *SQLite 2.7.6 is significantly faster (sometimes as much as 10 or 20 times faster) than the default PostgreSQL 7.1.3 installation on RedHat 7.2 for most common operations. *SQLite 2.7.6 is often faster (sometimes more than twice as fast) than MySQL 3.23.41 for most common operations. *SQLite does not execute CREATE INDEX or DROP TABLE as fast as the other databases. But this is not seen as a problem because those are infrequent operations. *SQLite works best if you group multiple operations together into a single transaction. I believe the absense of Valentina benchmarks only indicates they chose to compare against some of the more popular databases, and ones who's source code was 'open' for all to see. Also, I notice you make mention of 'locking' records. If you use this trick for SQLite, you are adding needless cycles to the benchmark. The SQLite database is a 'single-user' database, and has no need for locking records in the Revolution environment. I would think you, as a proficient database expert (unlike I) would of course know this? A last challenge: Why don't you create a great Demo for Valentina in Revolution? I believe if you do, you may find you can increase your sales and help out our community. If you're interested in viewing ours, please see: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altSQLiteCover/default.htm Also, I noticed you're still selling Valentina for Revolution 1.1.1. We're now up to version 2.5.1. I know your users are eager for you to update! And at $299 for both Mac and PC, that would make it 3X as expensive as altSQLite. And of course, altSQLite also includes Linux. Have a nice day, Chipp Walters Altuit, Inc. Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: :-) I think this is little a myth that SQL Lite is fast. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
On 5/16/05 10:39 AM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chipp, Welcome to our list Ruslan :-) I'm no database expert, though you can find plenty of them on the SQLite open source website: www.sqlite.org I challenge you to post your benchmarks there if you're serious about getting a response. There you'll find more of the 'war' I believe you're searching for. :-) no, SQL Lite is not direct competitor to Valentina. mySQL and Postgre yes, in the same category I give that info you DEVELOPERS and users of dbs. Because I think you should be informed about possible limits you can stick. Though, I can point to some speed facts about the program: From the SQLite.org home page: A series of tests were run to measure the relative performance of SQLite 2.7.6, PostgreSQL 7.1.3, and MySQL 3.23.41. The following are general conclusions drawn from these experiments: I have see their home page and read tech notes and made own tests. By the way, note on their page the size of database they bench. It seems about 1000 (one thousand) records. They name this a serious bench? :-) Any DBMS show its behavior only if you bench on database that have size AT LEAST 2-3 times bigger of RAM. So if you have RAM 512MB please do bench on db 1.5GBthen you will see truth only. I believe the absense of Valentina benchmarks only indicates they chose to compare against some of the more popular databases, and ones who's source code was 'open' for all to see. Well, Valentina is not so popular as mySQL. This is true. We all perfectly understand, that if tomorrow mySQL will start charge at least $300 then its popularity disappear. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
Chipp Walters wrote: Also, I noticed you're still selling Valentina for Revolution 1.1.1. We're now up to version 2.5.1. I know your users are eager for you to update! Ruslan, On your website it states: Valentina for Revolution 1.11 which I incorrectly surmised it to mean: Velentina for Revolution 1.1.1 though I after reading it again, I *believe* it really means: Valentina 1.11 for Revolution 2.x Probably a good idea to change that :-) I do remember people talking about a Valentina update coming soon, though I see from your website the last press release about a new version is dated April, 21,2002. I did find there you have beta versions available for Director and RealBasic. Hopefully, Revolution is in the works. Also, I *believe* Valentina also runs on older Mac OS's which makes it's currently the only embedded solution for Revolution for OS9. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
On 5/16/05 10:39 AM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chipp, Oh, sorry, I have only now realise that you are from Altuit. Please take my best wishes, and be sure, that we not going to make any war. We just talk and discuss. Okay? :-) Also, I notice you make mention of 'locking' records. If you use this trick for SQLite, you are adding needless cycles to the benchmark. The SQLite database is a 'single-user' database, and has no need for locking records in the Revolution environment. I would think you, as a proficient database expert (unlike I) would of course know this? I have told: IF YOU develop multi-thread application. Look, even single user engine can be used in multi-thread application. For example, may be developer want make in his app several windows which show different records. For example, MS Entourage can show several browsers for your letters. So, if app have several threads, and threads do concur for records, then you must have locks. SQL Lite do not have locks as I know, and probably never will. It is pointed and developed as single-user. Developer can try workaround this adding own column. But this means update/scan of the whole table to set 0/1. SQL Lite is slow on such operation. OF COURSE, I think 90% of developers do not need such complex applications and can live without record locks. Just I have see once attempt to make around SQL Lite multi-user solutions. That was simply stupid step. Just impossible. A last challenge: Why don't you create a great Demo for Valentina in Revolution? I believe if you do, you may find you can increase your sales and help out our community. If you're interested in viewing ours, please see: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altSQLiteCover/default.htm :-) We just only have to start develop Valentina 2.0 for Revolution. Also, I noticed you're still selling Valentina for Revolution 1.1.1. We're now up to version 2.5.1. I know your users are eager for you to update! Valentina works with 2.5.1 with no problems. Do not worry. And at $299 for both Mac and PC, that would make it 3X as expensive as altSQLite. And of course, altSQLite also includes Linux. I think when developer is going to sale own application, and make big money, difference in $200 do not matter. When 5-6 years Valentina have come to C++, Director, and other markets, here did play db engines worse of Valentina and they did ask price $600-700. Valentina have reduce this price level. Also I think Application/Solution developer when choose db engine should think in the first turn about future users of his application. How fast they will get result? What will prefer your users? Get answers in 0.1 of seconds or 1 minute ? Will affect this your sales? Of course. --- For example, this is one of Valentina developers http://www.sonnysoftware.com/ His application have 4-5 strong competitors on the market. He was happy when told me, that HIS users say WOW!!! Your Bookends is MANY times faster of competitor (which have use 4D btw). Bookends can do practically live searches. even on very big databases. You can see his users feedback on right side. About Linux. We going port Valentina to Linux. Soon. No doubt. But I wonder and want ask developers on this list. Does Linux bring you real sales ? -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: I give that info you DEVELOPERS and users of dbs. Because I think you should be informed about possible limits you can stick. Good point. You might also wish to 'warn' the Apple Tiger Developers of your findings because FYI: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=593 Another feature of Tiger is SQLite support, which incorporates the SQLite library into the system to provide an embeddable, zero-configuration SQL database engine for applications. Developers who link their applications to this library can access SQL databases without running a separate relational database management system (RDBMS) process. The library can also be used to create local database files and manage the tables and records in that file. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
On 5/16/05 11:03 AM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chipp Walters wrote: Also, I noticed you're still selling Valentina for Revolution 1.1.1. We're now up to version 2.5.1. I know your users are eager for you to update! Ruslan, On your website it states: Valentina for Revolution 1.11 which I incorrectly surmised it to mean: Velentina for Revolution 1.1.1 though I after reading it again, I *believe* it really means: Valentina 1.11 for Revolution 2.x It is Valentina 1.11 -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
On 5/16/05 11:03 AM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do remember people talking about a Valentina update coming soon, though I see from your website the last press release about a new version is dated April, 21,2002. I did find there you have beta versions available for Director and RealBasic. Hopefully, Revolution is in the works. Ak, we need add news. It lost somehow. Also, I *believe* Valentina also runs on older Mac OS's which makes it's currently the only embedded solution for Revolution for OS9. Well, Valentina 2.0 will not. We drop support of Classic because we use IBM ICU unicode library, which have Carbon and Macho versions, but not Classic. Valentina 1.x yes works on Classic. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: Oh, sorry, I have only now realise that you are from Altuit. Please take my best wishes, and be sure, that we not going to make any war. We just talk and discuss. Okay? :-) Yes, I am from Altuit, and a BIG supporter of Revolution! You can check out our RunRev website: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/default.htm We also have a number of other externals for RunRev (Please don't tell me you have an embedded browser and it's faster:-) best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
On 5/16/05 11:27 AM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: Oh, sorry, I have only now realise that you are from Altuit. Please take my best wishes, and be sure, that we not going to make any war. We just talk and discuss. Okay? :-) Yes, I am from Altuit, and a BIG supporter of Revolution! You can check out our RunRev website: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/default.htm We also have a number of other externals for RunRev (Please don't tell me you have an embedded browser and it's faster:-) No no. You develop browser? Like listbox ? This is very useful! I know that Revoliution (as REALbasic) do not have Active Listbox. This cause big problems if we need display million records. Do you have such browser? If no, and if Revolution do not have such on, This is excellent task to resolve. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Databasesuggestions?)
Ruslan Zasukhin a *crit : About Linux. We going port Valentina to Linux. Soon. No doubt. But I wonder and want ask developers on this list. Does Linux bring you real sales ? if you guys allow me to enter your conversation, and if you allow me to share my own experience, I'd like to say that I love to use Rev as a cgi engine, and try to promote it in every commercial project I undertake. I also always work with Linux servers. A DB is almost always necessary, but so far I had to stick to mySQL because : - it's almost impossible to find anyone with postgreSQL skills in my neighborhood - Valentina isn't available for Linux yet... I agree that the use of Rev as cgi engine isn't the most widespread use of Rev, but nevertheless I was tempted by the Valentina benchmarks... Currently I'm working on a project whose main DB contains 22000 records (5 Mb with indexes) which should reach 5 to 7 records within the next couple of years... So far with the 22000 records, requests made via Rev cgi are really fast... JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Database benchmarking in RunRev
on Mon, 16 May 2005 01:53:14 +0300 Ruslan Zasukhin wrote: Of course we plan soon produce A) bench pages B) bench project for different languages that Valentina support REALbasic, Director, Revolution, which anybody should be able to run and see times on his own computer. Hi Ruslan, Always is good to see every developer, backing up their software! :-) Now, i have a petition for you, about your database bench project for Revolution: Could you use, for this benchmark, the complete text of the mail archive of Runtime Revolution? Compressed, this file is 176 MB, decompressed is a lot more. Using the full text of this mail list, you could be sure that every developer in this mail list will ACTUALLY USE (very important) your benchmark application, to look for threads, individual messages, words, phrases and more. In this way, you could be sure that Valentina, will be tested in every machine that runs RunRev. Thanks in advance. Keep Up your good work! al Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
hads in close proximity (was Rolling graphics)
On 14 May 2005, at 2:19 am, Jim Hurley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Transcript inspiration, this work reminds me of the opportunity I would have had, had I had Run Rev some years back. (Does that sentence set a record for the number of hads in close proximity?) John, whereas James had had 'had', had had 'had had'. 'Had had' had had the teacher's approval. 11 in a row. Sorry. I just can't forget this, no matter how much I want to make room for other stuff. Best Wishes, David Glasgow http://www.i-psych.co.uk ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split to Array on Repeat Skips Every Other Line??
Sivakatirswami wrote: OK, well I solved the problem by taking the split out of the loop to a function, now it works. But I still think this is a bug. No, I don't agree. The docs say very clearly Important! You cannot change the labelVariable in a statement inside the loop. Doing so will cause a script error. You can change the content of the container, but doing so will probably produce unexpected results. since split does change x (into an array, and to a different value), you're breaking the rule, and can't expect this to work. Passing x as a parameter to the function passes a *copy* of the data, and hence avoids breaking the rule. I'm not sure what Rev intended by the phrase cause a script error - it certainly doesn't cause the script to stop with the error box, in any example I could think of - but it does produce unexpected results in some cases. on mouseUp repeat for each line x in gLogData put returnLogEntry(x) cr after tLog end repeat put tLog into fld logViewer end mouseup function returnLogEntry x split x with | and tab return (x[Project] tab (x[hours] +round(x[hour-fraction],2)) tab x[Fund_Category]) end returnLogEntry Now I get all six lines as expected: Online-Donations5.41Public Services Publishers-Desk-Interface1.25Public Services Digital-Dharma-List6.5Public Services Web-Editor-Upgrade2.17Public Services Publishers-Desk-Interface6.75Funded Projects Online-Donations1.08Public Services skts -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 12/05/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Database benchmarking in RunRev
On 5/16/05 1:19 PM, Alejandro Tejada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Alejandro, Now, i have a petition for you, about your database bench project for Revolution: Could you use, for this benchmark, the complete text of the mail archive of Runtime Revolution? Compressed, this file is 176 MB, decompressed is a lot more. Well, I think such test can do anybody else. We will do step by step tests, from simple to more complex. single table 2 table joins 3 t joins .. Using the full text of this mail list, you could be sure that every developer in this mail list will ACTUALLY USE (very important) your benchmark application, to look for threads, individual messages, words, phrases and more. :-) but it needs support db somehow, right ? Also where from you suggest import data ? From emailers? In this way, you could be sure that Valentina, will be tested in every machine that runs RunRev. Thanks in advance. Keep Up your good work! -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split to Array on Repeat Skips Every Other Line??
Alex Tweedly wrote: Sivakatirswami wrote: OK, well I solved the problem by taking the split out of the loop to a function, now it works. But I still think this is a bug. No, I don't agree. The docs say very clearly Important! You cannot change the labelVariable in a statement inside the loop. Doing so will cause a script error. You can change the content of the container, but doing so will probably produce unexpected results. since split does change x (into an array, and to a different value), you're breaking the rule, and can't expect this to work. Hi Alex, thing is that this *used* to work in an earlier version of Rev. I can't remember which version broke it, but one day my scripts were working, and the next (after an update) they didn't... Took me a while to figure out what was going wrong (and I bugzilla'd it). It would be really helpful if the documentation explicitly mentioned that split on a foreach variable will have this effect. -- Phil Jimmieson [EMAIL PROTECTED] (UK) 0151 794 3689 (Mobile) 07976 983164 Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Chadwick Building, Peach Street Liverpool L69 7ZF http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/ I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this ointment. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
hint needed
Hi frien ds, i have a little problem and might need some help/hints... I have a TAB delimited list (200 lines) of values like: 1 TAB 0 TAB 1 TAB 1 TAB 0... (174 values each line) And have the same amount of checkboxes and want to get all the lines that have the same matrix as the currently checked boxes... Know what i mean? I can get a list of the checkboxes and their states and want to have all the lines that match the checkbox matrix... But since i will only query the true state i have no idea so far... My checkbox list will look like: 1 TAB * TAB * TAB * TAB 1 TAB... where * means false/empty and does NOT matter... What might be the most effective/fastest way to do so? Any hints are welcome :-) BTW, on OS X it will slow down performance heavily when i have a visible field with these 200 lines a 175 values in it on my card... Activating other objects results in a delay of at least 1 second before any reaction. Anyway, thanks in advance. Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: hint needed
Hi Klaus, Hope i got this correctly... Search for a matrix using the filter command 1tab* Append a line number after each line eventually if you need to know which line if was. From then it's just a little loop to see which lines really match... IOW, do a regex (or filter) on the largest defined string, then reduce the occurences with real matching removing the tabs may help also make the search simpler and or faster... Im just reading up on pattern recognition ;) did I get that correctly? hope that helps Xavier On 16.05.2005 12:50:47 use-revolution-bounces wrote: Hi frien ds, i have a little problem and might need some help/hints... I have a TAB delimited list (200 lines) of values like: 1 TAB 0 TAB 1 TAB 1 TAB 0... (174 values each line) And have the same amount of checkboxes and want to get all the lines that have the same matrix as the currently checked boxes... Know what i mean? I can get a list of the checkboxes and their states and want to have all the lines that match the checkbox matrix... But since i will only query the true state i have no idea so far... My checkbox list will look like: 1 TAB * TAB * TAB * TAB 1 TAB... where * means false/empty and does NOT matter... What might be the most effective/fastest way to do so? Any hints are welcome :-) BTW, on OS X it will slow down performance heavily when i have a visible field with these 200 lines a 175 values in it on my card... Activating other objects results in a delay of at least 1 second before any reaction. Anyway, thanks in advance. Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGEInternet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message.The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries.END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: hint needed
Bonjour Xavier, Hi Klaus, Hope i got this correctly... Search for a matrix using the filter command 1tab* Append a line number after each line eventually if you need to know which line if was. Ah, yes, i think filter is the right direction! From then it's just a little loop to see which lines really match... IOW, do a regex (or filter) on the largest defined string, then reduce the occurences with real matching Still waiting for Ken's regex for dummies primer ;-) removing the tabs may help also make the search simpler and or faster... Will try that, too, thanks! Im just reading up on pattern recognition ;) did I get that correctly? I think so :-) hope that helps Mais oui, mon ami, certainement! Xavier Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
Also, I *believe* Valentina also runs on older Mac OS's which makes it's currently the only embedded solution for Revolution for OS9. Well, Valentina 2.0 will not. We drop support of Classic because we use IBM ICU unicode library, which have Carbon and Macho versions, but not Classic. Valentina 1.x yes works on Classic. But if ICU has Carbon version why can't it work under OS9? Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Database benchmarking in RunRev
Hi Ruslan, :-) Ruslan Zasukhin wrote in response to alejandro tejada: at Using the full text of this mail list, at you could be sure that every developer in at this mail list will ACTUALLY USE (very important) at your benchmark application, to look for threads, at individual messages, words, phrases and more. rz :-) but it needs support db somehow, right ? rz Also where from you suggest import data ? rz From emailers? Could it be possible to import this 176 mb file (with all messages from this mail list)? Download 176 mb of messages from this link: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution.mbox/use-revolution.mbox or from this page: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/ Thanks in advance. al Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
On 5/16/05 2:18 PM, Robert Brenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I *believe* Valentina also runs on older Mac OS's which makes it's currently the only embedded solution for Revolution for OS9. Well, Valentina 2.0 will not. We drop support of Classic because we use IBM ICU unicode library, which have Carbon and Macho versions, but not Classic. Valentina 1.x yes works on Classic. But if ICU has Carbon version why can't it work under OS9? Do now know. Nobody have made this -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
unzip question (OS X)
Hello, Does anybody know what option to set to the unzip shell command in order do get an incrementation to the file to extract (stored in a stack) when there is a file with the same name ? (unzipping via the Finder gives me that automatically : e.g. XML exists -- unzipping : XML 1 -- unzipping : XML 2...) In my script I verify if there is already a file with the same name then I have to possibilities : - shell (if there is no such file) put the cProg of this cd into url (binfile:tPath/tName) put cd tpathcrunzip tName into tShell get shell(tShell) - Applescript (if there is such a file) put the cProg of this cd into url (binfile:tPath/tName) put tell applicationquoteFinderquotecropen file q (tName)cr end tell into tAppScript do tAppScript as Applescript With Applescript I'm getting the increments but I want this to happen quietly (and in the shell)... Any ideas ? Thanks in advance, Christian from Luxembourg ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
XML and Unicode?
I've been studying the XML demo kindly provided by Sarah Reichelt - a big thanks to Sarah, it's a great resource! A few newbie-ish questions: Can Unicode be used with the XML commands? I've had success reading in my own XML external text files with the demo, but using UTF 16 encoding seems troublesome. I've set the font of the field XMLText to Lucida Grande, and in the script for the Read from file button I tried replacing put tChild after fld XMLtext with set the UnicodeText of fld XMLtext to tChild .. but what should have been Russian displayed as Chinese with no line breaks. Is there something else I'd need to do when reading the data in, or am I missing something else? Thanks for any suggestions! -Curt Dr. Curtis Ford Instructor of Russian and Linguistics Dept. of Languages, Literatures, and Cultures University of South Carolina cford at sc.edu ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev fails to recognize Chinese
Hubert I think you will have to import the text from each field in your HC stack to the new Rev stack set the unicodetext of fld revfld to uniencode(HCfld,Chinese) This will have to be different for the simplified - (simplechinese) and traditional - (chinese) HTH Ron On May 16, 2005, at 6:50 AM, Hubert Seiwert wrote: I have imported (read in) my Hypercard files to Rev. Some field contain mixed text (English and Chinese), some field just are set to Chinese (simplified and traditional) textfont. What appears on the screen instead of Chinese is just a rubbish of ASCII characters. If I select the (supposed to be) Chinese text and set the textfont to Apple Lisung Light (or any other Chinese font), the text is converted to Korean and rubbish. I know, similar problems have been discussed early in 2004, but I am wondering if a solution has been found in the meantime. I would be thankful for any help. Hubert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: XML and Unicode?
Hi Curtis, I don't use XML but what happens when you set the textfont to Russian,unicode rather than Lucida Grande? Ron On May 11, 2005, at 3:47 AM, Curtis Ford wrote: I've been studying the XML demo kindly provided by Sarah Reichelt - a big thanks to Sarah, it's a great resource! A few newbie-ish questions: Can Unicode be used with the XML commands? I've had success reading in my own XML external text files with the demo, but using UTF 16 encoding seems troublesome. I've set the font of the field XMLText to Lucida Grande, and in the script for the Read from file button I tried replacing put tChild after fld XMLtext with set the UnicodeText of fld XMLtext to tChild .. but what should have been Russian displayed as Chinese with no line breaks. Is there something else I'd need to do when reading the data in, or am I missing something else? Thanks for any suggestions! -Curt Dr. Curtis Ford Instructor of Russian and Linguistics Dept. of Languages, Literatures, and Cultures University of South Carolina cford at sc.edu ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
altSQLite versus Valentina for Rev
Russlan, What a good opportunity to explain you some of the reasons why you probably miss so many users. My own experience of Valentina has been a failure because I have never been able to easily operate Valentina with Hypercard/Supercard and more recently with Revolution. Dont reply that I should not be an adequate programer, just search the Rev archives to understand that many Revolutionados have made attempts to use Valentina with many difficulties and switched to another solution. Also be aware that altSQLite has been released with the following advantages among others: - many altPlugins are provided for free and has been proven very usefull and well polished; - the altSQLite Demo stack is very well designed and just ready to use sample: you open it, it just works and you can see the sample scripts; - affordable price; - SQLite is widely recognized by many other developers: see PHP for a single instance, not to say the MacOSX Tiger integration. - last but not least: speed development time. I spend many days failing to deal with Valentina user guides where I have been able to create a DB and to write error free scripts with altSQLite in just minutes. Yet there is a problem with altSqlite under MacOSX 10.3.9 which crashes Revolution in some circonstances but I am confident that Chipp/Altuit will fix that soon. As Revolution developers we know that he is very active and reactive. You have proven the opposite. There was (is? I didn't check recently) no Revolution sample stack for Valentina. Also some arguments in favor of Valentina are not so important for most of our applications: - speed is most often an issue when users have large databases which is not the case for most of us; - price can be an issue: I am not sure that many of us are selling their applications to valuate Valentina more than the free Postgres or MySQL DBMS; - Those DBMS are supported by many developers and we dont know what would happen to Valentina I you disappear tomorrow. SQLite source code is available and free. What a warranty for our data; - multiusers capability require another process to execute Valentina and those DBMS. I dont see any advantages of one over the others if you'd like to release an easy installation to users. My last comment is that competition is good! As developers we really thank Altuit to have written the SQLite plugin because this finally forces Paradigma Software Inc to seriously watch for the Revolution developers to give them the consideration and support they actually missed until today. BUT be aware that the time is very short not to loose the market today! Dont do war, build tools which prooves you make the developers' life easier! Regards, JG ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Databasesuggestions?)
I'm no database expert, though you can find plenty of them on the SQLite open source website: www.sqlite.org I challenge you to post your benchmarks there if you're serious about getting a response. There you'll find more of the 'war' I believe you're searching for. We don't need to kick sand in their face on their own turf. That would be rude. But we've actually had significant time to compare with SQLite. Although some companies like Apple are just discovering it, its been around long enough in other incarnations (non Rev) that we've had time to look at it. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software, Inc Joining Worlds of Information Deploy True Client-Server Database Solutions Royalty Free with Valentina Developer Network http://www.paradigmasoft.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Databasesuggestions?)
Good point. You might also wish to 'warn' the Apple Tiger Developers of your findings because FYI: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=593 Chipp, just because Apple likes something or recommends something doesn't make it a holy artifact or the object of their affection the best choice for anyone but Apple. Apple made a decision to include a database engine as a default. Why *didn't* it select FileMaker? I think if you ask yourself that, you'll be closer to figuring out why they selected SQLite. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software, Inc Joining Worlds of Information Deploy True Client-Server Database Solutions Royalty Free with Valentina Developer Network http://www.paradigmasoft.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
On May 15, 2005, at 1:16 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote: All in all, it's jsut a matter of picking the right database for the job at hand: if you need a quick embedded single-user database that does Mac + Win + Linux, then altSQLite is your best pick. If you like the object-relational features of Valentina and only need Mac + Win, then grab it -- it's a great database and also comes in a server version. One other thing to take into account between the two is encryption. Valentina allows you to encrypt your data structure and/or your data. You can roll your own encryption for data in SQLite (though I haven't tested speed) but I haven't come across anything that allows you to encrypt the structure. This is important for some projects. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: altSQLite versus Valentina for Rev
Hi Joel, My last comment is that competition is good! As developers we really thank Altuit to have written the SQLite plugin because this finally forces Paradigma Software Inc to seriously watch for the Revolution developers to give them the consideration and support they actually missed until today. BUT be aware that the time is very short not to loose the market today! Dont do war, build tools which prooves you make the developers' life easier! As you know, we Americans go out of our way to find peaceful solutions to cultural differences, so Ill respond to some of your concerns here ;-) We appreciate how responsive and helpful Runtime has been and also, we've received a lot of requests and feedback from Revolution users. For that reason, the supporting product isnt being called VXCMD 2, but Valentina for Revolution. Trying to cover several different IDEs works fine when those products all agree to a modern standard, but that really isnt the case with the 'Cards anymore. For the Valentina 2 products already released, we've produced some examples and are working to improve support documentation. Some of your points Ive already responded to, elsewhere, so I wont repeat them here. With your level of interest and concern, I hope you will be involved in the Valentina 2 for Revolution beta. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software, Inc Joining Worlds of Information Deploy True Client-Server Database Solutions Royalty Free with Valentina Developer Network http://www.paradigmasoft.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution and Education... website proposed
Dear all, A few months ago (back in Oct 2004), there was an interesting thread on educational use for revolution . Several things emerged from this discussion: 1. A number of metacard or revolution stacks have been produced that cannot be found anywhere on the web or in the user. 2. There is a group of enthusiastic teachers on this list who see revolution as having the potential to benefit their teaching. 3. Most of them have difficulties sharing their enthusiasm with colleagues in their institution. This was for instance, nicely expressed by Gregory [Gregory Lypny gregory.lypny at videotron.ca] I have long stopped evangelizing courseware because the response I get from colleagues is that they do not want to be involved with its development. The incentive to do the work is simply not there. I make my stuff freely available to my colleagues, but their enthusiasm quickly peters when I explained that some work is required to get it to do what they want it to do. They'll only give it a spin if it's ready to go right off the shelf. [...] I have similar difficulties. I work in a department (psychology) where most of the staff is, simply put, technologically inept. Whenever I try to advocate the use of Revolution I only cause fear and apprehension. As Judy had expressed in some of her emails, my skills and my tendency to aim for better than what is achieved by current practices leads to isolation rather than admiration. The more I try to persuade my HoD to use existing eLearning tools to remedy some *inefficient* teaching practices they currently have, the more I can feel myself being very negatively noticed (change is a cause of discomfort for some people). I can see me loosing courage, gradually, and I feel the need for a place where I can discuss some ideas with like-minded persons. As Gregory mentioned: I should leave this with a positive spin: courseware = cool, untapped potential. We just need more impressive examples of it in use. However, if it is left to me alone, in between my teaching, research, admin duties, I do not have the time to develop an impressive example of Revolution's use for education. Not that I am not trying. To address the problem identified by Gregory, I have a project in gestation of a GUI editor for a large range of web-based exercises. The idea is to select exercises written in java, javascript, Flash, with a content that can be defined in a text file attached to the application (see usinaquiz for examples [in French] or formator demo [quizz section] for a working demo [enhanced for Safari and Firefox, not tested yet with Internet Explorer Windows] and http:// revolution.lexicall.org/eLearning/AccompanyingDocs-sm.pdf fro textual explanations). This will be developed over next summer. (See, John Mathewson for a similar project, for a public of school teachers, at http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html). I have another project of an revolution application to access an on-line database of learning objects. Another one of a database of images, for lecture illustration (I already have on my hard disk a well organized archive of 100MB of pictures), where lecturers could share and access their resources (see viperlib, http://viperlib.york.ac.uk/, for such a project, in the very restricted context of visual perception). Still, alone, there is only so little I can do and it tends to take quite a long time to get anything done as I do not have much time to spend on this project. I have given a lot of thought to becoming a freelance instructional designer, but I really doubt I would be able to make a living from it. So, I will probably have to keep my revolution coding as a captivating hobby, to do outside of my (already long) working hours. Recently, in the context of a course on teaching in digital environment I had been enrolled in, this time as a student, I got to write an assignment, on using Wiki-web for collaborative learning. Obviously, my assignment partner and I decided to write this assignment collaboratively, on a wiki-web medium. I really enjoyed the experience. There is so much more in 2 brains than in one... there is so much benefit of having another person's perspective on the issue. This got me thinking... why not try something similar with the nice people from the revolution community, this time on the use of revolution for student-centered learning? It happens that I recently created a website, that I use in a research context. I could easily create a revolution subdomain to host a revolution-education resource center with : (1) an archive of stacks relevant to education ( I can provide up to 200MB), (2) a forum or even better, a wiki for the discussion of ideas and guidelines (I have recently set-up a wiki to support one of my course and it wouldn't be difficult to set-up another one for discussion on the them of
Printing Field Borders
Hi Everyone. I'm new to Rev. I have been evaluating Rev for the last couple of weeks and have mostly found it a joy to use. It brings back happy memories of using Hypercard quite some years ago. Anyway, one problem I have been having is getting field borders to print properly. I have read in these archives that when field borders are butted-up together that can cause problems, but I am even having problems in cases where the fields are not touching or near any other object. I have tried on 2 differrent systems (Win XP and 98) using 2 different printers, with inconsistent and unexpected results. Commonly, the left and top border does not print. Is this a bug in Rev? If so, is there any plan to have it fixed? Alternatively, is there a viable workaround? Many thanks, Timothy Due ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Autostart a CD in MS Windows
Dear xTalk Afficionados, I am sure this one has been addressed before - but could not find it via an autostart search of the archives. If I make a stand-alone for MS Windows on a CD - how to I set it to autostart when the user pops the CD into their CD-drive? Grateful for help! Richmond Mathewson __ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html ___ --- The Think Different Store http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/ For All Your Mac Gear --- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DVD Decoder
For what it's worth, it ought to be easier to do this for DVD than it ever was for CDs, since the DVD specifications are less primitive in terms of cross-platform compatibility right out of the box. Heck, I remember when you had to have a floppy boot disk to launch a CD-ROM!! Thank goodness those days are gone. Cheers, Katherine http://www.cd-info.com On 5/2/05, Devin Asay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 1, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Derek Bump wrote: Is anyone aware of any add-ins for QuickTime (Windows) that will allow one to use QuickTime to show DVDs? I second this request. I would LOVE to be able to access DVDs through Rev/QT. Old-time Hypercarders, remember how simple and elegant it was to access laser disks using the Xcommands in HC? Or Audio CDs? The inability to do the same this with DVDs represents a giant step backward for those of us trying to integrate video with instructional applications. Devin I love the DVD player on Mac OS X and I can't stand the ones on Windows and I'd like to make a free custom DVD player using QuickTime and Revolution. The best I've been able to manage with DVDs is to use AppleScript to launch and control the DVD player. Thanks! Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and Education... website proposed
After laying dormant for a very long time, I am happy to announce the Education-Revolution list is back and better than ever. You are enthusiastically invited to be part of this improved list! To be a part of this list, go to http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/ listinfo/education-revolution and scroll down to the bottom of the page for subscribe instructions. This list is specifically designed for teachers, students and those with a special interest in using Revolution in an educational environment. We are going to share problems, solutions and ideas. And, if you're a member of this list, you'll also be eligible for special offerings from Runtime Revolution! In the coming year, we're going to be putting a lot of emphasis on education. Please help us and be part of this list! Ro On May 3, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Marielle Lange wrote: Dear all, (Many of you will take me for a newcommer... I have bought my license long ago and lurked on the list... I hadn't much chance to participate simply because the questions usually get answered before I get a chance to give my 5 cents). A few months ago (back in Oct 2004), there was an interesting thread on educational use for revolution. Several things emerged from this discussion: 1. A number of metacard or revolution stacks have been produced that cannot be found anywhere on the web or in the user. 2. There is a group of enthusiastic teachers on this list who see revolution as having the potential to benefit their teaching. 3. Most of them have difficulties sharing their enthusiasm with colleagues in their institution. This was for instance, nicely expressed by Gregory [Gregory Lypny gregory.lypny at videotron.ca] I have long stopped evangelizing courseware because the response I get from colleagues is that they do not want to be involved with its development. The incentive to do the work is simply not there. I make my stuff freely available to my colleagues, but their enthusiasm quickly peters when I explained that some work is required to get it to do what they want it to do. They'll only give it a spin if it's ready to go right off the shelf. [...] I have similar difficulties. I work in a department (psychology) where technnology causes fear and apprehension. As Judy had expressed in some of her emails, my skills and my tendency to aim for better than what is achieved by current practices leads to isolation rather than admiration. I can see me loosing courage, gradually, and I feel the need for a place where I can discuss some ideas with like-minded persons. As Gregory mentioned: I should leave this with a positive spin: courseware = cool, untapped potential. We just need more impressive examples of it in use. However, if it is left to me alone, in between my teaching, research, admin duties, I do not have the time to develop an impressive example of Revolution's use for education. Not that I am not trying. To address the problem identified by Gregory, I have a project in gestation of a GUI editor for a large range of web-based exercises. The idea is to select exercises written in java, javascript, Flash, with a content that can be defined in a text file attached to the application (see usinaquiz for examples [in French] or formator demo [quizz section] for a working demo [enhanced for Safari and Firefox, not tested yet with Internet Explorer Windows] and http://revolution.lexicall.org/eLearning/AccompanyingDocs-sm.pdf fro textual explanations). This will be developed over next summer. (See, John Mathewson for a similar project, for a public of school teachers, at http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html). I have another project of an revolution application to access an on-line database of learning objects. Another one of a database of images, for lecture illustration (I already have on my hard disk a well organized archive of 100MB of pictures), where lecturers could share and access their resources (see viperlib, http://viperlib.york.ac.uk/, for such a project, in the very restricted context of visual perception). Still, alone, there is only so little I can do and it tends to take quite a long time to get anything done as I do not have much time to spend on this project. I have given a lot of thought to becoming a freelance instructional designer, but I really doubt I would be able to make a living from it. So, I will probably have to keep my revolution coding as a captivating hobby, to do outside of my (already long) working hours. Recently, in the context of a course on teaching in digital environment I had been enrolled in, this time as a student, I got to write an assignment, on using Wiki-web for collaborative learning (my own choosing). Obviously, my assignment partner and I decided to write it collaboratively, on a wiki-web medium. I really enjoyed the experience. There is so much more in 2 brains than in one... there is so much benefit of
Re: Formatting Widgets for OS X
Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I was thrown off because RB sets the default size for static and editable text at 12 pt (which is neither the system font, nor the small system font as the HIG states Hi Ken - The font size that REALbasic uses for controls at design time is adjustable in the Preferences window (Window Editor pane). I'd recommend changing this to '0' instead of '12' because it will then use the appropriate size based on both the font and the OS. (On OS X this would be 13 for System font and 11 for SmallSytem) Best regards, David -- David Grogono [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.realsoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Autostart a CD in MS Windows
Hi Richmond, Dear xTalk Afficionados, I am sure this one has been addressed before - but could not find it via an autostart search of the archives. If I make a stand-alone for MS Windows on a CD - how to I set it to autostart when the user pops the CD into their CD-drive? Grateful for help! Put a simple text file named autostart.inf (NO quotes, of course) in the root directory of the cd Content (no empty lines!): [autorun] open=path_to_standalone.exe But please remember that win users might have disabled this ANTI- feature! Richmond Mathewson Best Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Autostart a CD in MS Windows
And just to add another small tidbit. If your users will be running this on Win98, you might want to place your standalone exe in some folder on the CD rather than directly at the root level. It's been my experience in the past with Win98 that if you place your standalone directly on the root of the CD it takes forever to launch (whether you're using autorun or not). Seems to work fine, however, with Windows 2000 and above. Anyway, just FYI. On May 16, 2005, at 9:50 AM, Klaus Major wrote: Hi Richmond, Dear xTalk Afficionados, I am sure this one has been addressed before - but could not find it via an autostart search of the archives. If I make a stand-alone for MS Windows on a CD - how to I set it to autostart when the user pops the CD into their CD-drive? Grateful for help! Put a simple text file named autostart.inf (NO quotes, of course) in the root directory of the cd Content (no empty lines!): [autorun] open=path_to_standalone.exe But please remember that win users might have disabled this ANTI- feature! Richmond Mathewson Best Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Chris Sheffield Read Naturally The Fluency Company www.readnaturally.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Animated Gif
Hello All, Is there a way to control the speed of an animated gif? Also, is there a way to have an animated gif loop indefinitely? Thanks, Shawn __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altSQLite versus Valentina for Rev
On 5/16/05 8:51 AM, Joel Guillod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russlan, (BTW, that's one s in Ruslan) What a good opportunity to explain you some of the reasons why you probably miss so many users. My own experience of Valentina has been a failure because I have never been able to easily operate Valentina with Hypercard/Supercard and more recently with Revolution. Dont reply that I should not be an adequate programer, just search the Rev archives to understand that many Revolutionados have made attempts to use Valentina with many difficulties and switched to another solution. Some of that I think is that Rev has its own wrappers around the Valentina VXCMD, with its own syntax. Obviously, Paradigmasoft isn't going to document Rev's wrappers; only its own syntax, so there's also a 'translation' issue between looking at Rev's documentation on how to execute a query, and Valentina's. Also, many of the issues with using Valentina in Revolution have been related to where to put the file on disk so that it will build in properly when creating a standalone. This also is not any fault of Paradigmasoft. I learned a long time ago that the Rev wrappers were just too limiting and I went the route of attaching to and calling on Valentina directly. It is just an external, so you can place it anywhere you like and set the externals to that location. Once you've done that, you just start calling it. Now granted, the documentation for Valentina could certainly be better, and a sample stack that was designed for Rev would help in the learning process, but I just wanted to bring up that a lot of the frustration with attempting to use Valentina in Revolution is not related to Paradigmasoft's support of Rev. Yet there is a problem with altSqlite under MacOSX 10.3.9 which crashes Revolution in some circonstances but I am confident that Chipp/Altuit will fix that soon. As Revolution developers we know that he is very active and reactive. You have proven the opposite. Sorry, I have to strongly disagree here... ever question I have ever had on working with Valentina has been responded to by a representative of Paradigmasoft (usually Ruslan) within hours, whether posted to the Valentina list, or whether I've sent private email to Ruslan to get an answer to a question. In fact, as you know, Valentina 2 is what they are currently preparing for Revolution, and yet my client and I have spent the last three days in multi-hour-long chats with Ruslan and crew to solve a couple of performance issues I discovered in the 1.11 kernel. My last comment is that competition is good! As developers we really thank Altuit to have written the SQLite plugin because this finally forces Paradigma Software Inc to seriously watch for the Revolution developers to give them the consideration and support they actually missed until today. BUT be aware that the time is very short not to loose the market today! Dont do war, build tools which prooves you make the developers' life easier! Since I'm the one that started the ball rolling on this thread looking for database suggestions, and after reviewing the email posts, Ruslan doesn't want to start a DB war, and in fact doesn't even put SQLLite in a directly competitive light to Valentina, so don't worry about them losing the market - the small one-user DB market is not the area they're focusing on; clearly the view their competitors as mySQL and PostgreSQL. Once again, it's the right tool for the job - I think the one thing that Valentina does vs mySQL,SQLLite, and PostgreSQL is that it straddles the fence between multi-user large DB implementations, and small, personal single-user implementations. And although it covers a lot of ground, it is unlikely that for a single-user implementation that you would pay for Valentina when it is far cheaper to get altSQLLite... however, if you are starting with a small implementation which will grow to multi-user, or you have a product where the deployment is in many modes (single user standalone, single user client/server, multi-user client/server), Valentina is a good choice. Thanks for listening, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Animated Gif
Recently, Shawn Rampy wrote: Is there a way to control the speed of an animated gif? One way is to set the repeatCount of the GIF to 0 and use your own timer to update the GIF using the currentFrame. Something like: local fCount on updateGIF if fCount = empty or fCount = the frameCount of img myGIF then \ put 0 into fCount add 1 to fCount set the currentFrame of img myGIF to fCount send updateGIF to me in 100 millisecs -- UPDATE GIF EVERY 1/10 SECOND end updateGIF Also, is there a way to have an animated gif loop indefinitely? set the repeatCount of img myGIF to -1 Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altSQLite versus Valentina for Rev
On May 16, 2005, at 6:51 AM, Joel Guillod wrote: What a good opportunity to explain you some of the reasons why you probably miss so many users. My own experience of Valentina has been a failure because I have never been able to easily operate Valentina with Hypercard/Supercard and more recently with Revolution. Dont reply that I should not be an adequate programer, just search the Rev archives to understand that many Revolutionados have made attempts to use Valentina with many difficulties and switched to another solution. To be fair, the majority of the problems with Valentina had to do with using externals in the standalone and/or the combination of revdb and valentina. Implementing externals in projects can sometimes be tricky and cause problems whether you are using Valentina or any other external. Also be aware that altSQLite has been released with the following advantages among others: - many altPlugins are provided for free and has been proven very usefull and well polished; - the altSQLite Demo stack is very well designed and just ready to use sample: you open it, it just works and you can see the sample scripts; - affordable price; - SQLite is widely recognized by many other developers: see PHP for a single instance, not to say the MacOSX Tiger integration. - last but not least: speed development time. I spend many days failing to deal with Valentina user guides where I have been able to create a DB and to write error free scripts with altSQLite in just minutes. Yet there is a problem with altSqlite under MacOSX 10.3.9 which crashes Revolution in some circonstances but I am confident that Chipp/Altuit will fix that soon. As Revolution developers we know that he is very active and reactive. You have proven the opposite. There was (is? I didn't check recently) no Revolution sample stack for Valentina. I'm not sure if you are on the Valentina mailing list or not but Ruslan is one of the most helpful developers I have ever come across. True there is not example stack and Chipp has created an *excellent* example stack but to say that Ruslan has proven the opposite is a not a fair statement. Also some arguments in favor of Valentina are not so important for most of our applications: - speed is most often an issue when users have large databases which is not the case for most of us; - price can be an issue: I am not sure that many of us are selling their applications to valuate Valentina more than the free Postgres or MySQL DBMS; Revolution has many different types of users so it is hard to group us together. My company sees speed as a very important consideration when choosing a database and $299 is a small fee to pay for for adding a tool to our toolbox that meats our needs. - Those DBMS are supported by many developers and we dont know what would happen to Valentina I you disappear tomorrow. SQLite source code is available and free. What a warranty for our data; Valentina supports SQL. If it were to disappear tomorrow you could migrate your database to another vendor without much hassle. In fact, right now I develop databases using MySQL and then deploy to the client using Valentina. All of the database creation is coded so it is a one-click process. - multiusers capability require another process to execute Valentina and those DBMS. I dont see any advantages of one over the others if you'd like to release an easy installation to users. My last comment is that competition is good! As developers we really thank Altuit to have written the SQLite plugin because this finally forces Paradigma Software Inc to seriously watch for the Revolution developers to give them the consideration and support they actually missed until today. BUT be aware that the time is very short not to loose the market today! Dont do war, build tools which prooves you make the developers' life easier! Competition is good. It is great that Altuit has provided a SQLite external for us because it offers more choices. Sometimes SQLite will be a great solution. Sometimes a project requires features not available in SQLite. I'm glad to have both options available to me. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Animated Gif
Hi Shawn, Hello All, Is there a way to control the speed of an animated gif? Also, is there a way to have an animated gif loop indefinitely? there is a little stack of mine in Rev online, that deals with this topic... username: klausimausi Stack: The taming of the animated gif... Enjoy, and drop a line, if something is not clear as i was hoping ;-) Thanks, Shawn Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altSQLite versus Valentina for Rev
On May 16, 2005, at 9:17 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: ... to our toolbox that meats our needs. Umm, meets, not meats :) -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Do Rev CGI Suffer Performance HIts?
On another thread, jbv (JB) wrote about using Rev as a CGI engine on Linux as a matter of regular course. I'm curious. I've been laying out a design for an INternet-based app and figuring I'd have to use Python (which is OK because I love it but in some ways it may be overkill for this project) because of my understanding that a Rev CGI can't handle even modest volumes of traffic. This is apparently because a separate instance of the CGI is launched for each HTTP request received. True or myth? Anyone have any experience with moderately high transaction rates using Rev CGI? ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altSQLite versus Valentina for Rev
Ken... Well stated. It's something most programmers know but forget and of which we need to be reminded from time to time. They're all just tools, not religious experiences. On May 16, 2005, at 9:08 AM, Ken Ray wrote: Once again, it's the right tool for the job ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: hint needed
On 5/16/05 6:26 AM, Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still waiting for Ken's regex for dummies primer ;-) So am I... ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: Re: Formatting Widgets for OS X
On 5/16/05 10:49 AM, David Grogono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I was thrown off because RB sets the default size for static and editable text at 12 pt (which is neither the system font, nor the small system font as the HIG states The font size that REALbasic uses for controls at design time is adjustable in the Preferences window (Window Editor pane). I'd recommend changing this to '0' instead of '12' because it will then use the appropriate size based on both the font and the OS. (On OS X this would be 13 for System font and 11 for SmallSytem) Thanks, David... I'll do that. BTW: Shouldn't this be the default? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: hint needed
Hi Ken, On 5/16/05 6:26 AM, Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still waiting for Ken's regex for dummies primer ;-) So am I... OK, then we are already 2, but that's NOT the way it works! You are supposed to actually write that thing and not wait for it :-D ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Do Rev CGI Suffer Performance HIts?
Dan, True or myth? Anyone have any experience with moderately high transaction rates using Rev CGI? It depends on what you mean by moderately high transaction rate... As for the few sites I've developped around Rev cgi, the one with the highest transaction rate was an event in spring 2003 which lasted 15 days, and got 45,000 visitors for 2,500,000 pages viewed. Actually, the cgi engine was MC 2.4, but I guess the situation can be considerd as similar to using Rev 2.5. What I love about using Rev cgi is the fact that when specific client apps are needed (to manage / update the content of the website for instance), it is easily done with Rev, and furthermore both client app cgi scripts are written in the same language, and productivity / maintenance-wise this is unvaluable... In the above mentioned website, a couple of ppl were in the middle of the desert with a client app (made with MC) running on a laptop hooked to a cellular phone satellite connection, and were updating the content of several pages of the site several times a day... Besides, GPS data were received by email every 15 min and a cgi script was used to update complex HTML framesets with maps of the desert and positions of cars... everything ran flawlessly (except when the company in charge of receiving / transmitting GPS data to our server was facing unexpected unexplained gaps in data streams)... The same ppl with the same laptop satellite connection were also downloading GPS data from our server via another small client app (also made with MC) that updated displayed the same maps positions on the laptop than on the website. But it looks like much higher transaction rates can be achieved : Pierre Sahores has posted several explanations about what he's done around Rev cgi. You should contact him or chack the archives... JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ken Burns Effect in Rev?
On May 14, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I wonder if Trevor's been reading this thread and has come up with an external to hook into QT transitions while executing computationally-expensive Transcript without impairing either (I can dream, can't I?) Perhaps during lunch ;-) (actually it would take me about 300 lunches). -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Do Rev CGI Suffer Performance HIts?
OK, having spent some time in the archives, I think I've answered my own question. It *is* necessary for a Rev CGI script to load separately for each instance/call. That's not terribly efficient but it's like all other CGI methods except for mod_perl and probably some other even more obscure methods. I ran across a couple of references to a comment perhaps made by Scott Raney that load time is pretty instantaneous and therefore shouldn't be a performance problem (though it might clearly become a *resource* problem on the server). So I think I'll experiment with this a bit, using Python and Rev for a couple of simple but heavily used CGI and see what results I get. ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Do Rev CGI Suffer Performance HIts?
Dan, Again you should check with Pierre Sahores who has developped a different method based on stacks running listening non stop for requests, and therefore don't need to load for each instance / call and seem to be able to process several hundreds (IIRC) of requests per second... JB It *is* necessary for a Rev CGI script to load separately for each instance/call. That's not terribly efficient but it's like all other CGI methods except for mod_perl and probably some other even more obscure methods. I ran across a couple of references to a comment perhaps made by Scott Raney that load time is pretty instantaneous and therefore shouldn't be a performance problem (though it might clearly become a *resource* problem on the server). So I think I'll experiment with this a bit, using Python and Rev for a couple of simple but heavily used CGI and see what results I get. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Do Rev CGI Suffer Performance HIts?
Dan Shafer wrote: On another thread, jbv (JB) wrote about using Rev as a CGI engine on Linux as a matter of regular course. I'm curious. I've been laying out a design for an INternet-based app and figuring I'd have to use Python (which is OK because I love it but in some ways it may be overkill for this project) because of my understanding that a Rev CGI can't handle even modest volumes of traffic. This is apparently because a separate instance of the CGI is launched for each HTTP request received. True or myth? It's true on all non-Mac servers (Macs can use Apple events), but how is this different from Perl or Python? I know that in recent years there's an option in Apache to keep Perl resident in memory, but behaviorally it still acts as a separate instance. If there isn't commonly the same sort of option for Python, then my hunch is that the resource demand would be measured by a combination of engine size (load time) and engine efficiency, and may not differ dramatically from the Rev engine. Jacque recalls Scott Raney once noting that when called as a CGI, the faceless engine does a lot less work at startup and loads almost instantaneously, even faster than a scriptless standalone. Do I misunderstand something about CGI and/or Python? Anyone have any hard comparison data about relative efficiencies between Rev and Python? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altSQLite versus Valentina for Rev
I'm not sure if you are on the Valentina mailing list or not but Ruslan is one of the most helpful developers I have ever come across. True there is not example stack and Chipp has created an *excellent* example stack but to say that Ruslan has proven the opposite is a not a fair statement. I am working on an extensive example/demo stack for Valentina. I believe Ruslan will be porting full set of Valentina examples, some 50 of them, to Rev. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Do Rev CGI Suffer Performance HIts?
Dan Shafer wrote: OK, having spent some time in the archives, I think I've answered my own question. It *is* necessary for a Rev CGI script to load separately for each instance/call. That's not terribly efficient but it's like all other CGI methods except for mod_perl and probably some other even more obscure methods. I ran across a couple of references to a comment perhaps made by Scott Raney that load time is pretty instantaneous and therefore shouldn't be a performance problem (though it might clearly become a *resource* problem on the server). So I think I'll experiment with this a bit, using Python and Rev for a couple of simple but heavily used CGI and see what results I get. as well as mod_perl, there is also mod_python - so if transaction rate is important to you, you may want to try that as well as python as CGI. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 12/05/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Apple V Apple. Legal lunacy?
this has gone back and forth with apple corps beginning by suing apple computer for the name. that one ended up with an agreement apple computer wouldn't get into music. then it flared up again with apple doing some midi stuff a while back and was renegotiated some and i thought i remember something when itunes was starting that they were at it again some. but with the success of itunes and garage band has probably gotten apple corps believing some more of the apple pie should be theirs again and as most large contracts written in legalese there is a lot of room for folks to try lawsuits. every time i have put a contract through lawyer approval they always object to things being written in plain english that lay things out in black and white (even though it is completely legal and binding). They always seem to want the wiggle room for a lawsuit even when you the client want a nice clean straight forward document and the lawsuits could be against you! jeff On May 13, 2005, at 9:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, isn't it the other way around? It sounds like Apple Corps is suing Apple Computer over distributing music. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altSQLite versus Valentina for Rev
Le 16 mai 05, à 18:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I'm not sure if you are on the Valentina mailing list or not but Ruslan is one of the most helpful developers I have ever come across. True there is not example stack and Chipp has created an *excellent* example stack but to say that Ruslan has proven the opposite is a not a fair statement. After some corrections the words have gone further my thought. You are right sorry I was not willing to be negative against Ruslan as an individual and I recognise that he was very responsive to my questions in the ancient time (about 1999) when I studied Valentina for the first time. What I wanted to point out is that altSQLite was released a few months after Altuit started the development and that we got a wonderfull Demo Stack which helps starting efficiently with SQLite under Revolution but after years there is no such a stack from Paradigma Software Inc to help us starting with Valentina for Rev. In short Altuit has proven its committment in Revolution, Paradigma has to do it. JG ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split to Array on Repeat Skips Every Other Line??
Yes! Brian, that works... and yes, Alex, you are also right, splitting x is indeed breaking the guideline described in the docs. thanks skts On May 15, 2005, at 8:36 PM, Brian Yennie wrote: Just out of curiosity, what happens with the following: global gSomeData # which has six lines of data repeat for each line x in gSomeData put x into y split y with | and tab put y[Project] tab (y[hours] +round(y[hour-fraction],2)) tab y[Fund_Category] cr after tLog end repeat Wondering if Rev was having some trouble with the repeat for each variable being used as an array... - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Do Rev CGI Suffer Performance HIts?
Richard Gaskin wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: On another thread, jbv (JB) wrote about using Rev as a CGI engine on Linux as a matter of regular course. I'm curious. I've been laying out a design for an INternet-based app and figuring I'd have to use Python (which is OK because I love it but in some ways it may be overkill for this project) because of my understanding that a Rev CGI can't handle even modest volumes of traffic. This is apparently because a separate instance of the CGI is launched for each HTTP request received. True or myth? It's true on all non-Mac servers (Macs can use Apple events), but how is this different from Perl or Python? It's the same, for Perl as CGI and Python as CGI. But both mod_perl and mod_python exist, and are (reputedly, haven't seen any figures or benchmark numbers) much faster than starting a new interpreter each time. I know that in recent years there's an option in Apache to keep Perl resident in memory, but behaviorally it still acts as a separate instance. If there isn't commonly the same sort of option for Python, then my hunch is that the resource demand would be measured by a combination of engine size (load time) and engine efficiency, and may not differ dramatically from the Rev engine. Jacque recalls Scott Raney once noting that when called as a CGI, the faceless engine does a lot less work at startup and loads almost instantaneously, even faster than a scriptless standalone. Do I misunderstand something about CGI and/or Python? Anyone have any hard comparison data about relative efficiencies between Rev and Python? Yeah - they're both faster than the other for some things. Tell me which area you're interested in and I'll concoct a benchmark to prove that one is faster than the other; you tell me which one you want to win, and I'll make it win :-) There is always the other option, of running a Rev (or Python, or Perl, ...) server, and serving requests directly from that. This can give significantly better response times and significantly higher transaction rates - but it means the server needs to satisfy all requests - even those that could have been left to basic html. And it means that you have a single instance - so in some cases the programming gets orders of magnitude harder, while in others it might get easier. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 12/05/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Duplicate image issue
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have an image I am using as the icon for several buttons. The image is listed twice in the Application Browser control list -- same layer, same ID. Well, at least one button using the icon with that ID shows the correct image. At least one other shows the chasing arrows from the standard Rev icon set. I tried deleting one of them, but every time I do so Rev crashes. Anyone have any idea how to fix this one? Thank you. - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCiOzk7aqtWrR9cZoRAqJnAJ42MTAY9xuhJtcJhs1Ncc0568BC8QCdFPTR Rr1A9mxG7I7YsljzdHSYCiA= =dWJZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and Education... website proposed
Marielle, I am a newbie in a sense, Doug Westbrook's other half (who has an occasional post). But I am looking for ways to use Revolution to empower teachers. (I want to make a virtual room to showcase educators with links to their sites). As Judy had expressed in some of her emails, my skills and my tendency to aim for better than what is achieved by current practices leads to isolation rather than admiration. The more I try to persuade my HoD to use existing eLearning tools to remedy some *inefficient* teaching practices they currently have, the more I can feel myself being very negatively noticed (change is a cause of discomfort for some people). Fortunately, you are not alone! The feeling of isolation is common for 'people with a mission' in a crowd of learned helplessness. Society in a sense, glamourizes getting to a point where you 'pay someone' to do everything while the person paying sits and eats a muffin. I have found this in a little parent involvement initiative I'm involved in, educators are crying for involvement, while many parents (not all, as I can see the runtime list is full of learners and many must be parents too) many parents are tired and worn out already and think every problem is with the teacher. This Revolution Learning Community however, is its own kind of family. Most innovators felt alone and sought out like minded folks though writing letters (Galileo, etc.)..And the name even is perfect, it takes a 'revolution' to change comfortable, however educated minds. The runtime folks make learning fun. All the 'deeking and harping' and guys like Andre (who I hope his arm is totally healed by now)..are a great example of what a learning community SHOULD be. I have an example of not so fun list, as I was the list mom/moderator for quality improvement initatives for the American Productivity and Quality Center (apqc) back in 1996, before our first son was born. Most of the posts where about contacting folks for benchmarking, looking for ways to cut costs, outsource or eliminate something, but you rarely got a chuckle from seeing personality and creativity, like the invigorating, enthusiastic up-all-night runtime guys. I honestly don't mind all the messages even though I can't read them all. I put them in a folder and read a little when I have a minute and want to be reminded that creativity is alive and well in the world. Wish I could drop everything and go to Monterrey. Sincerely, Lisa Westbrook Editor Onebranch Interactive Library www.onebranch.org 512 335-4180 mom of three Teacher Quotes There is no limit to intelligence, or ignorance. An old Latin Proverb - When there is no wind, row. On May 2, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Marielle Lange wrote: Dear all, A few months ago (back in Oct 2004), there was an interesting thread on educational use for revolution . Several things emerged from this discussion: 1. A number of metacard or revolution stacks have been produced that cannot be found anywhere on the web or in the user. 2. There is a group of enthusiastic teachers on this list who see revolution as having the potential to benefit their teaching. 3. Most of them have difficulties sharing their enthusiasm with colleagues in their institution. This was for instance, nicely expressed by Gregory [Gregory Lypny gregory.lypny at videotron.ca] I have long stopped evangelizing courseware because the response I get from colleagues is that they do not want to be involved with its development. The incentive to do the work is simply not there. I make my stuff freely available to my colleagues, but their enthusiasm quickly peters when I explained that some work is required to get it to do what they want it to do. They'll only give it a spin if it's ready to go right off the shelf. [...] I have similar difficulties. I work in a department (psychology) where most of the staff is, simply put, technologically inept. Whenever I try to advocate the use of Revolution I only cause fear and apprehension. As Judy had expressed in some of her emails, my skills and my tendency to aim for better than what is achieved by current practices leads to isolation rather than admiration. The more I try to persuade my HoD to use existing eLearning tools to remedy some *inefficient* teaching practices they currently have, the more I can feel myself being very negatively noticed (change is a cause of discomfort for some people). I can see me loosing courage, gradually, and I feel the need for a place where I can discuss some ideas with like-minded persons. As Gregory mentioned: I should leave this with a positive spin: courseware = cool, untapped potential. We just need more impressive examples of it in use. However, if it is left to me alone, in between my teaching, research, admin duties, I do not have the time to develop an impressive example of Revolution's use for education. Not
Re: WAY OT: Apple V Apple. Legal lunacy?
I hear you, Jeff. As a lawyer, publisher, and hobbyist software developer, I hear you loud and clear. I can't speak for the lawyers you've worked with, but only from my own experiences in the legal profession after 12 years. Here are some things to consider: 1. Most of the lawyers I have met and worked with are straight-shooters. To try to make something complex out of what should be simple for the sole purpose of creating legal problems down the road is a violation of the rules of ethics and conduct that govern lawyers across the country. If you think your lawyer is doing this, it's past time to find a new lawyer. 2. As in every profession, there are folks who are good at what they do, and folks who are ... well, not so good. If your lawyer is doing something that you feel is not your best interest, see if he/she can explain it to you in a way that satisfies you completely. If he/she can't -- well, as long as it's legal, you can instruct your lawyer to do it YOUR way. Alternatively, and again, it may be time to find a new lawyer. 3. Contracts can be tough. I've negotiated my fair share, and I've litigated MORE than my fair share of contracts that I DIDN'T negotiate. In drafting contracts, lawyers call upon their expertise to try to anticipate problems and pitfalls, and to make clear the parties' intent so that when something bad happens, the contract spells out how things should be handled. The problems come when the parties CAN'T agree -- then lawyers tend to massage the language, perhaps making it ambiguous so that if a problem comes up, the language at least ARGUABLY supports a view that favors the client. The idea is that ambiguous language can at least serve as the basis for a good faith argument that the contract should be interpreted a certain way -- in many situations, this can be better than a contract that simply doesn't address the issue at all. Mind you, the lawyer probably isn't intentionally trying to make something ambiguous -- it just BECOMES ambiguous as he/she negotiates one draft after another with the lawyer on the other side. The end result is language that both sides can live with because neither side is getting exactly what they want. When BOTH sides feel they have the upper hand, it's usually the contract language that suffers, becoming ambiguous enough to support both sides' interpretation. And that, Jeff, is the stuff that law suits are made of. But a lawyer has done his job when he's highlighted the potential problems/pitfalls for his client, negotiated away from those problems as much as possible, and explained the reason/rationale behind the whole process for the client to make an educated decision about whether the deal still represents good and fair value when negotiations are done. Unfortunately, even then, there's no guaranty against litigation. When a dispute arises, a litigator who truly represents his client's best interests should recommend first and foremost that the parties try to work it out without the filing of a law suit. Once you go down that road, it's usually long and hard, and retreat gets tougher with every step towards the courthouse. Anyway, just my own thoughts in defense of lawyers who always, always, always try to do right by their clients. Thanks for listening. ALAN S. GOLUB, ESQ. Dwyer Golub Isabel, P.C. 16 Furler Street P.O. Box 437 Totowa, NJ 07511-0437 (T) 973-785-4100 Ext. 103 (F) 973-785-4477 (E) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (W) www.dgilaw.com On 5/16/05 2:32 PM, Jeffrey Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this has gone back and forth with apple corps beginning by suing apple computer for the name. that one ended up with an agreement apple computer wouldn't get into music. then it flared up again with apple doing some midi stuff a while back and was renegotiated some and i thought i remember something when itunes was starting that they were at it again some. but with the success of itunes and garage band has probably gotten apple corps believing some more of the apple pie should be theirs again and as most large contracts written in legalese there is a lot of room for folks to try lawsuits. every time i have put a contract through lawyer approval they always object to things being written in plain english that lay things out in black and white (even though it is completely legal and binding). They always seem to want the wiggle room for a lawsuit even when you the client want a nice clean straight forward document and the lawsuits could be against you! jeff On May 13, 2005, at 9:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, isn't it the other way around? It sounds like Apple Corps is suing Apple Computer over distributing music. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Re: Printing Field Borders
On 5/12/05 2:19 AM, Timothy Due wrote: Anyway, one problem I have been having is getting field borders to print properly. I have read in these archives that when field borders are butted-up together that can cause problems, but I am even having problems in cases where the fields are not touching or near any other object. I have tried on 2 differrent systems (Win XP and 98) using 2 different printers, with inconsistent and unexpected results. Commonly, the left and top border does not print. Is this a bug in Rev? If so, is there any plan to have it fixed? Alternatively, is there a viable workaround? It sounds like the printmargins are set so that they are cutting off too much of the top and left sides of the page. If it is only the fields at the top left of the page that do this, then the margins are probably the problem. Try setting a smaller printmargin (or setting it to 0, as a test) or else move your fields slightly closer to toward the center of the card and see what happens. If a field in the dead center of the card prints without part of its border, then there is something else wrong. Let us know if that happens and we'll brainstorm. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Duplicate image issue
Frank, Have you tried re-ID'ing all images? To see if the problem persists? Im right in the middle of this nightmare too... Internal image browser to external multiple-control assignment (icon or patterns). Or the Global theme that all stacks must use and be able to switch this on the fly for all stacks. The GM problem is now gone but there's nothing i can do about image conflicts or crashes. Just careful reassignment of ids... The big problem was displaying external images from other stacks - without sucking them in and creating crashes or over-working the image id replacements if anything changed from the displaying stack to the stack holding the images... Same problem with my new Theme manager. There's a theme catalog, but how do you assign the images to any stack out there already using preset icon ids or patterns? In case 1 where external and internal images need separation, i use a group of buttons (transparent, sized to the image's size) to display the image. Dirty work but it should work (im not completely finished but it's working!) For the themes, i use a current theme group where i copy the images into existing images with preset ids... I haven't tested it extensively yet but it seems to work internally. There's another problem though which is that the images or patterns dont refresh automatically without a stack mode change (toplevel to palette and viceversa seems the best)... Hope that gives you a hint of the simple situation you have ;) But try reassigning the ids first. Then kill them all, compact and save, and reimport them eventually... For a multimedia environment, there's lots of problems with images... Even if the images are displayed, sometimes they go grey with no explanation or error... Cached or not. If anyone can clarify this one too? Oh, before i forget, you can use ControlsN2O or other plugins to list the resources in your stack. It's always good to have a second opinion - i stopped using rev's tools completely now so im sure of what's going on and still sometimes... Cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank D. Engel, Jr. Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 20:57 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Duplicate image issue -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have an image I am using as the icon for several buttons. The image is listed twice in the Application Browser control list -- same layer, same ID. Well, at least one button using the icon with that ID shows the correct image. At least one other shows the chasing arrows from the standard Rev icon set. I tried deleting one of them, but every time I do so Rev crashes. Anyone have any idea how to fix this one? Thank you. - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCiOzk7aqtWrR9cZoRAqJnAJ42MTAY9xuhJtcJhs1Ncc0568BC8QCdFPTR Rr1A9mxG7I7YsljzdHSYCiA= =dWJZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing Field Borders
On 5/12/05 2:19 AM, Timothy Due wrote: Anyway, one problem I have been having is getting field borders to print properly. I have read in these archives that when field borders are butted-up together that can cause problems, but I am even having problems in cases where the fields are not touching or near any other object. I have tried on 2 differrent systems (Win XP and 98) using 2 different printers, with inconsistent and unexpected results. Commonly, the left and top border does not print. Is this a bug in Rev? If so, is there any plan to have it fixed? Alternatively, is there a viable workaround? I had something similar happen to me when I was trying to print just the stuff inside the rect of a graphic. I had to increase the size of the print rect by 1 pixel on one side: get topleft of grc Plot Back subtract 1 from item 1 of it print card 1 from it to bottomRight of grc Plot Back into 125,100,625,450 Dennis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duplicate image issue
I have an image I am using as the icon for several buttons. The image is listed twice in the Application Browser control list -- same layer, same ID. Well, at least one button using the icon with that ID shows the correct image. At least one other shows the chasing arrows from the standard Rev icon set. I tried deleting one of them, but every time I do so Rev crashes. Anyone have any idea how to fix this one? Hmm. I can see your problem, Frank! Unlike other controls, you can define the ID of an image. Identify the id of the offending img (xyz below), then type this in the msg box (changing xxyyzz to an unused id number)... set the id of image ID xyz to xxyyzz You should then be able to delete the offending image. Hope this works for you. /H Hugh Senior The Flexible Learning Company Web: _www.FlexibleLearning.com_ (http://www.flexiblelearning.com/) E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) T/F: +44(0)1483.27 87 27 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing Field Borders
Also, I have found by setting the *field* margins (not the printmargin) to a *higher number* fixes most all text truncation issues. Please try it. -Chipp J. Landman Gay wrote: On 5/12/05 2:19 AM, Timothy Due wrote: Anyway, one problem I have been having is getting field borders to print properly. I have read in these archives that when field borders are butted-up together that can cause problems, but I am even having problems in cases where the fields are not touching or near any other object. I have tried on 2 differrent systems (Win XP and 98) using 2 different printers, with inconsistent and unexpected results. Commonly, the left and top border does not print. Is this a bug in Rev? If so, is there any plan to have it fixed? Alternatively, is there a viable workaround? It sounds like the printmargins are set so that they are cutting off too much of the top and left sides of the page. If it is only the fields at the top left of the page that do this, then the margins are probably the problem. Try setting a smaller printmargin (or setting it to 0, as a test) or else move your fields slightly closer to toward the center of the card and see what happens. If a field in the dead center of the card prints without part of its border, then there is something else wrong. Let us know if that happens and we'll brainstorm. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: Re: Formatting Widgets for OS X
Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote On 5/16/05 10:49 AM, David Grogono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The font size that REALbasic uses for controls at design time is adjustable in the Preferences window (Window Editor pane). I'd recommend changing this to '0' instead of '12' because it will then use the appropriate size based on both the font and the OS. (On OS X this would be 13 for System font and 11 for SmallSytem) Thanks, David... I'll do that. BTW: Shouldn't this be the default? It is the default and has been for quite some time. However if you had a much older version the default would have been '12' and the newer versions would have retrieved that value from your preferences file. If you have further questions I'd be happy to answer them off-list. Best regards, David -- David Grogono [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.realsoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Setting 'it' in caller
How do I put a value into the instance of 'it' in the calling function? For example, suppose I want to create a custom command 'getCurrentRobotName' that returns an error in the result and the current name in 'it'. This is 'it' in the handler that invokes 'getCurrentRobotName'. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
Another feature of Tiger is SQLite support, which incorporates the SQLite library into the system to provide an embeddable, zero-configuration SQL database engine for applications. Developers who link their applications to this library can access SQL databases without running a separate relational database management system (RDBMS) process. The library can also be used to create local database files and manage the tables and records in that file. Chipp, Does this mean that we don't have to include the SQLite database engine in a standalone if it's built for Tiger? I wonder how we can tell Rev where the engine is? Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
interesting Crash
Hi all, I have an interesting crash I can't figure out. I have a stack with flds, the fld script is On closeField go to stack abc End closeField Every time when I enter the fld it goes to stack abc but crashes right away stack abc opens. Thanks, Herhel ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: interesting Crash
Try locking messages before going to the stack. It may be a problem with the abc stack in a preOpen... or open... handler. While using a closeField handler as a navigation trigger is unusual, it should still work. Cheers, Sarah On 17 May 2005, at 10:53 AM, Hershel Fisch wrote: Hi all, I have an interesting crash I can't figure out. I have a stack with flds, the fld script is On closeField go to stack abc End closeField Every time when I enter the fld it goes to stack abc but crashes right away stack abc opens. Thanks, Herhel ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: interesting Crash
On 5/16/05 9:04 PM, Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm really sorry, its really openField (focusInField). My apology to u, I'm so engaged in this problem I almost don't what's flying. Ok, It didn't work. Thanks, Hershel Try locking messages before going to the stack. It may be a problem with the abc stack in a preOpen... or open... handler. While using a closeField handler as a navigation trigger is unusual, it should still work. Cheers, Sarah On 17 May 2005, at 10:53 AM, Hershel Fisch wrote: Hi all, I have an interesting crash I can't figure out. I have a stack with flds, the fld script is On closeField go to stack abc End closeField Every time when I enter the fld it goes to stack abc but crashes right away stack abc opens. Thanks, Herhel ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Launch PDF's into Acrobat
In this case, they may have simply no idea how pick the application that would be used as their default PDF viewer... I think you meant I really [hate] the programs that open an application if it isn't the one I would normally use. Right, point well taken, I think we all find that behavior somehow abusive in a subtle way. Yes, that's what I meant :-) So, then, (he scratches his head, pulls his whiskers) if not Acrobat, but my PDF default what is the solution? I think for Windows, you need to query the registry, but for Mac OS X, you need to look in the users Library - Preferences folder and check the file called: com.apple.LaunchServices.plist Searching for PDF, I find an entry that lists a bundle signature of prvw and using the AppleScript below, I can see that this refers to Preview.app tell application Finder return the name of application file id prvw end tell HTH, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Getting started with Rev Databases
At 6:44 PM -0700 5/13/05, Richard Gaskin wrote: Where's the overview introducing basic concepts of using databases with Rev? About connecting to and using SQL databases. In the 2.5.1 main docs window, it's called SQL databases, using and connecting... no idea why... but anyway, it's the first topic listed under Database Operations. -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tile Game
Hello my friends, I have been very busy putting in about 16 to 18 hours a day working on a replacement for our Director project. I have surpassed what was done before and am throwing together a couple of games for inclusion in with it. I have created a Trivia game and today I finished a Memory game. The next game i am looking at is a tile game. I was wondering if anyone has thrown one of those together? I will be doing a nine tile game and am wondering about the grid checking. You know, if the tile below this button is empty then move this tile down. I am not actually going to move the icon but rather just set the icon and clear this icon etc. Let me know if you have figured this one out already. I am a little burnt right now and was just hoping for a jump start. Thanks guys, Tom Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: interesting Crash
On May 16, 2005, at 6:42 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote: I have a stack with flds, the fld script is On closeField go to stack abc End closeField Every time when I enter the fld it goes to stack abc but crashes right away stack abc opens. I caught the correction to openField. If you don't need to do anything more in your handler after that, try this as a workaround (but don't forget to submit the bug if this fixes it): on openField send popUpAbc to me in 0 seconds end openField on popUpAbc go to stack abc end popUpABc If that still crashes, the problem is in stack abc. If you want to get tricky, maybe some variation of this will work for the send, maybe: send go to stack abc in -1 seconds Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Be Cautious About MySQL Licensing (was Re: Database suggestions?)
Sarah Reichelt wrote: Does this mean that we don't have to include the SQLite database engine in a standalone if it's built for Tiger? I wonder how we can tell Rev where the engine is? Hi Sarah, altSQLite includes the engine and the revDB interface all in a single external. So, you only need include the external when creating standalones. It's unlike the MySQL and other database interfaces in that respect. There is no need to ever install the database engine with your standalone. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tile Game
I figured it out. It was really a lot easier than I thought. Thanks Tom On May 16, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Hello my friends, I have been very busy putting in about 16 to 18 hours a day working on a replacement for our Director project. I have surpassed what was done before and am throwing together a couple of games for inclusion in with it. I have created a Trivia game and today I finished a Memory game. The next game i am looking at is a tile game. I was wondering if anyone has thrown one of those together? I will be doing a nine tile game and am wondering about the grid checking. You know, if the tile below this button is empty then move this tile down. I am not actually going to move the icon but rather just set the icon and clear this icon etc. Let me know if you have figured this one out already. I am a little burnt right now and was just hoping for a jump start. Thanks guys, Tom Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Setting 'it' in caller
On 5/16/05 6:33 PM, Dar Scott wrote: How do I put a value into the instance of 'it' in the calling function? For example, suppose I want to create a custom command 'getCurrentRobotName' that returns an error in the result and the current name in 'it'. This is 'it' in the handler that invokes 'getCurrentRobotName'. Most commonly, use a two-line (or two-item) result. Put the name in line 1 and the error in line 2 (or vice versa.) Then parse the strings in the calling handler. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
FW: interesting Crash
-- Forwarded Message From: Hershel Fisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:33:24 -0400 To: Robert Brenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: interesting Crash On 5/16/05 10:38 PM, Robert Brenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is quite an unusual way of navigating: to have an editable field and clicking in it causes a switch to another stack. I bet Rev gets confused with things somehow. You could try using message watcher to see what's going on. But may just try to send the go command in time to allow focus/openfield to finish before switching context. Robert Hi, ok, I'll try to make the short story long Originally was made as follows . On myHandler put fld list of stack external_dd return return Edit\ into btn dd End myHandler Which is triggered when necessary . On openField set the uTarget of this stack to the short name of the target popUp btn abc End openField On menuPick pWhich if pWhich edit then put pWhich into fld the uTarget of stack main_stack Else Go to stack external_dd End menuPick Now, by entering the fld I get the menu of the popUp btn abc based on the external stack (in order to be able to save,sort and so on). When an item is selected (via menuPick) that item is inserted into that fld which is ok, But the problem rises when I pick edit then it goes to the external_stack, opens up and crashes. Then I tried go directly to a different stack on openField go to stack.. with out the whole 9 yards to see if it will work but got the same result. Crashhh... I just wanted wanted to make life simple and apply the answer to my thing. But so far got no where. I really would appreciate all help. Thanks, Hershel Fisch -- End of Forwarded Message ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
