RE: The detailed files on Windows
On 26 Sep 2005, at 5:02 pm, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes and no. This is recorded in the windows audit events though so yes. but only if you are using auditing of files in the GPOs (AD) or the user priviledges in NT4 domain. So only if implemented that way. Xavier, Yoinks! Out of my depth already! Still, thanks for your information, it is a start. Test first. is it a client requirement? It can also change depending on upgrades. I've seen it happen. Unfortunately, I am looking at forensic use which will point towards files that the user has 'used' ie accessed or modified. They may well want to avoid leaving a trail, and may access files in all sorts of ways, using different software. I was hoping that the detailed files would be a one line solution, but it looks like it will be a good first strategy. Thanks again, Best Wishes, David Glasgow http://www.i-psych.co.uk ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: add menu-background vanishes
Dom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I found a no-brainer way: I always put my menus in a *substack*! Ken replied: That's great advice, Dom, but it's also Mac-only advice... for those of us needing to deploy cross-platform, we can't use substacks (unfortunately). Not entirely true, Ken... The Scripter's Scrapbook is cross-platform and it uses a substack to hold the menu backgrounds. /H The Scripter's Scrapbook www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk.htm ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data-design question
On 27 Sep 2005, at 03:06, Dick Kriesel wrote: On 9/26/05 5:11 PM, Charles Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: performance data = recording artist instrument -- examples: guitar, voice performance category -- examples: solo, lead, backup This isn't quite right, because each of the several performers on a track plays a different instrument (occasionally even two!). I I agree that snip isn't quite right. What it omitted from my thinking is the notion of a concatenated key in a relational database. If there were a table of performance data, then its concatenated key would involve all four partial keys: recording, artist, instrument, and performance category. With an unlimited number of combinations of instances of the four keys, the table is ready holds enough data to answer all the performance related queries you've mentioned. As far as i understand the issue here Dick - more than one instrument = problem for schema proposed schema / database? This is not I think a problem for the Dublin core type schema as you can have as amny repeated entries as you need... so instruments as many times as you want for any XML entry / chunk. I don't know where the example records came from - ITunes (they are not Dublin Core): Title Creator Subject Description (summary or keywords) must be entered in german? Publisher Contributor Date Type (genre) Format Identifier (uri) Source Language Relation Coverage Rights If you want to look at metadata specifically for audio - there are a few projects that i know of that have spent years on this sort of stuff - some links here: http://www.ccProducer.org/ctv/wiki/VideoMetaData While it is focussing on video - it is largely an extension of audio metadata for radio shows and music - the one I know most about is: http://www.ccproducer.org/ctv/wiki/SharedOnlineMediaArchive mention it because it's an example of how the data involved is multi- layered: an album composed of tunes each of which has several players each of whom has at least one instrument and each of whom also presumably plays different roles (solo, comping, etc) at different times. So it's got to be thick metadata, not flat. But I don't know what I'm talking about, really, so I'll shut up. Don't shut up. Do keep defining and refining your perceptions of requirements, whether you know a lot or a little about metadata. Your list of example questions serves not only as a basis for design but also as a basis for testing your code, for deciding when you've finished, and for developing marketing material for your results. Totally. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Folder Action opens Rev stack on OSX?
Hi David, sorry for chiming in a bit late... I want to have AppleScript watch a folder so that when a video file is dropped into the folder a Rev stack is opened which displays the video file in a player. Is that asking too much :) Sure! :-D Please remember that Rev can be scripted by ApplScript, too! (In case your Rev app is already running...) You can start a script with: ... do script name of script ... But it looks like Rev does NOT support AppleScript in the latest version? When you Open dictionary from the Apple Script Editor Rev does NOT show any dictionary?! But Metacard (SAME engine) does!!?? This has been here on the list some time ago, but no comment from Scrotland yet. Is this a bug? Or does it work, even if Rev does NOT show a (Apple Script) dictionary? No time to test it by myself right now... Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data-design question
Charles Hartman wrote People here have convinced me not to write a whole relational database manager from scratch (that didn't take much). As far as I can tell, if I want to do this open-source (except for Dreamcard), that makes my choices either MySQL with Dreamcard or SQLite with Python because those seem to be the available combinations. Am I wrong? I'd rather know what the choices are before I make one and start thinking about plunging in and learning a new system. I'd say you have too many choices (don't worry about the numbering scheme :-) : -1. (Dick's suggestion) Dreamcard Do everything in Dreamcard until the first prototype is done. 0. Dreamcard plus any SQL (i.e. any of the following suggestions - it doesn't matter). Once you have a working prototype in any of the SQL variants, it will be relatively easy to switch to any other one. 1. DC + MySQL on your ISP. Many web hosting ISPs throw in a MySQL database or two included in the price - so if you are on broadband and connected to the Internet 96% or more of the time, this is a very attractive choice. The ISP does any set up and looking after MySQL for you: two things to be careful of are whether, when etc. backups are done, and the possibility that in the future you'll want to use it in other circumstances (e.g. while travelling) when the Internet access becomes an issue. 2. DC + some SQL on your own machine. (either MySQL or PostgreSQL - PostgreSQL is (reportedly) easier to configure - but I've done both on Windows and they were both easy - and I've done them precisely once each - and written one simple test program for each - I am *not* an SQL expert). Once the installation is done, there should be little or no further work to do to maintain it. Everything is in one place for easy backups, etc., can work anywhere your machine is, etc. 3. DC + altSqlite Except for the price. Maybe the altuit folks would consider hobbyist pricing ? Doesn't hurt to ask them. [e.g. special price for a single user, single person, no distribution rights (i.e. cannot distribute, far less sell, apps which use it - except as a stack which allows other altSQLite licensees to use it), ] [NB - I'd use Trevor's libDatabase along with either 1, 2 or 3 - looks really nice, esp. for someone who isn't an SQL expert. And it does work with PostgreSQL, even thought there are a few places where it only mentions MySQL.] 4. DC + TCP + Python + sqlite Certainly doable, but probably not the best choice unless you see an advantage in making a web service out of it. TCP (or maybe HTTP) doing basically a remote SQL for you, 4a. DC + HTTP + Python + sqlite Same as above, but with a different design and idea for the protocol interface. The HTTP interface would be similar to a standard CGI interface rather than a SQL interface. 5. Python + sqlite I'd consider doing a very simple UI version which uses the same Python+SQLite code as 4 to ease the development and testing of that part. Then decide whether to live with a weaker UI, or go on to develop the web service interface and the DC UI that you originally wanted. Too many choices . I've been meaning to write a real SQL app some day, so you've triggered me into trying it. I'm trying a combination of 2 and 5, partly to get a better idea of how portable SQL should be between PostgreSQL and SQLite. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data-design question
On Sep 26, 2005, at 10:55 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote: On Sep 26, 2005, at 8:17 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote: Producer? Mixer? Mastering Engineer? Those are Categories not included in your spec proposal. I'm especially sensitive to the first 2. And understandably so. (Sorry -- it took my brain a while to say Oh -- that Stephen Barncard!) One of the things that's frustrating about trying to catalog my older LPs while transferring them to CD is that so often none of that information was even given on the sleeve. I guess that Tom Lord discography might supply it all . . . Too bad there's no way to connect to that database. Charles Hartman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Export/Import Stacks as XML
Hi All, I seem to remember a while back seeing a stack that would export/import other Stacks to/from XML but I can't seem to find it now. Can anyone point me to it? Thanks a lot Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New Version of Dan's eBook
On 9/26/05 5:55 PM, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally. After countless hours of fighting against the current, I gave in and used Windows for the production of the new version of my Software at the Speed of Thought eBook, which now has all of the figures correctly in place and visible and adds a hyperlinked Table of Contents as well as PDF bookmarks for easy navigation. If you already own this eBook, next time you run the SATSOT-VOL1 Launcher, it will give you the opportunity to download the new version to replace your old one. If you don't yet own it or you've been waiting until this set of fixes got uploaded, beat the rush and go to http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html and order it now! (While you're there, you can get the CGI and Custom Properties eBooks as well.) Thanks for your patience. The saga of trying to do this change in OS X is a book in itself, but I don't believe in writing tragedies, so it will remain unwritten. ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: another yucky geometry question
TJ, P.S. Over night thoughts: If one wanted to extend the drawing of an ellipse bounded by radial lines with origin at the vanishing point, the function drawEllipse would be helpful. The difficult part would be determining the values of a,b,tAng, xLoc and yLoc such that the ellipse is property sized, angled and positioned so that it lies tangent to the given radials. Jim on drawEllipse a,b,tAng,xLoc,yLoc repeat with aa = 1 to 360 step 4 --4 is a compromise: min jaggies in min time. put r(aa,tAng,a,b,) into r put round(xLoc+ r*cos(pi/180*aa)),round(yLoc+r*sin(pi/180*aa)) cr after tPoints end repeat set the points of grc ellipse to tPoints end drawEllipse function r angl,phi,a,b put cos(pi/180*(angl+phi)) into c put sin(pi/180*(angl+phi)) into s return sqrt(1/(c*c/a/a + s*s/b/b))-- Ellipse at angle phi end r drawEllispe 100,40,30,300,400 will draw an ellipse with a = 100, b = 40, at an angle of 30 degree and with a loc of 300,400 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Export/Import Stacks as XML
Quoting David Burgun [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi All, I seem to remember a while back seeing a stack that would export/import other Stacks to/from XML but I can't seem to find it now. Can anyone point me to it? It is on Sarah's site. http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials.html cheers bob Thanks a lot Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
JPEG comments
Hello all - does anyone know of a way to write jpeg comments to an existing file? I think these are similar to the EXIF data written to files by digital cameras. I am working on MAc OS X. Preview can read and write these keywords - but it isn't scriptable! Regards, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
ANN: Info-Matic, a too to manage information
Hello all, I would like to announce my humble offer of an information management tool I call Info-Matc. Info-Matic is a tool that manages your collection of trivia, interesting facts, recipes, scripts and general information of almost any type. This tool is easy to use with an index card (Info Card) and storage Basket metaphor. Simply create Info Cards as you need them, and drag them to Basket categories of your choosing. I am sharing this as a Rev stack for the time being, and it's available for free at the User Spaces of revOnline. Look for Info- Matic under RogerG or General category. Give it a try, be sure to read the Help screen, and let me know what you think. Cheers, Roger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Export/Import Stacks as XML
Thanks a lot! All the Best Dave Quoting David Burgun [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi All, I seem to remember a while back seeing a stack that would export/import other Stacks to/from XML but I can't seem to find it now. Can anyone point me to it? It is on Sarah's site. http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials.html cheers bob Thanks a lot Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tough revprocessing question
Here's x's regular hard question of the day... ;) Rev is great for 95 percent of the apps, this works ok though because you can divide information or make it painless in a prepared way or a different gui approach, no problem. But creating gradients, rendering images, treating a million of anything is a severe issue when dealing with rev's processing speed or throughput. I know, rev is not c... So in graphical applications rev can be a real bottleneck. If you have to treat lots of historical data for a display it's enormous time... Examples abound but im sure drawing fractals, finding simple permutations, or factorials, etc, the task soon becomes hours of wait for a calculation or an image to draw. This has two adverse effects: Rev is unavailable and your CPU spikes to 100% blocking other applications from operating correctly... It's a fact that if we want to use rev in parallel while it processes something, or lower the cpu we could add somekind of wait in the loop... And this is where im asking anyone's opinion on how to implement this... Here's some examples of ideas I'm thinking of... Loop 10^10 times calculate send idle to rev -- rev receives socket messages or user clicks, etc... then continues end loop or loop 10^10 times if the number of lines in the pending messages PMLimit then send calculate to rev in 12 ms end if end loop Problem with this is that things can get stuck, some waiting to be executed and your loop waiting for the queue to move... or loop 10^10 times calculate wait 50 ms with messages end loop Is this possible? The same situation applies to applications like games, simulations, graphic or processing-intensive applications. If this runs, it blocks the rev session, possibly other processes... Wouldn't it be nice to have some kind of Rev-OS like runtime breathing bubble for the os or other running stacks? It may be that osx doesn't act this way... It's severly annoying in windows. When I test MoireX application which draws graphical moires and more with 500X500 paint X 4 points X 3 colors (in a special function realm), it blocks everything including videos running in other apps! It breaks the connection to chatrev, rev looks like a frozen-hung application. The wise developper will say compile apps (but then I can't enhance them on the run), run in other rev-session (but it's easy to get confused - risky...). but what if you are developping the application and the testing creates the same blocking process in your workflow? Running 2 sessions of rev is not exactly handy, may require another license, etc... The point is to allow rev to multitask (not thread alas) and do all this in one instance of rev running alone (one 100cpu cycles sucking application at a time is enough ;) - also create parallel tasking things is not the easiest way to get projects done... There's solutions to this, I know... but please dont change the subject of giving rev some events back between loops or reducing cpu load... The point is go give rev time to breath between loop (or 5 loops) so it can work somewhat regularly (50% of the cpu would be nice)... Breaking down the loop into subhandlers doesn't really help (they can't be threaded) and sendeables is maybe a problem if we send each subhandler into the queue X 100. Using another runtime of rev is not the issue - 200% cpu used! overheating! your computer explodes in a new revolutionary way ;) In brief, is there a way to intervene in a task intensive loop, such that it brings down the cpu to 50% use, yet still be 75% effective compared to when we run all the loops uninterupted? I sense that a stack based event list in addition to the existing global eventqueue (pending messages) needs to be implemented for this... Is that a valuable improvement? If you work with databases or graphics, long text (+1MBs) or 1 of anything you know what I mean... cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Nerd TV on PBS
Hi all, i have a good insight reading the interviews from Nerd TV: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/nerdtv/shows/ but i have a doubt about the photos, all of them look too young!!! :-O i believed that working with computer was a stressing occupation, having to deal with unexplicable bugs, odd hardware, unwilling software and bright people... so they all must had to look a lot older... :D Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Export/Import Stacks as XML
Hi David, Thanks a lot! All the Best Dave Quoting David Burgun [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi All, I seem to remember a while back seeing a stack that would export/ import other Stacks to/from XML but I can't seem to find it now. Can anyone point me to it? It is on Sarah's site. http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials.html no sorry, that's just the very fine XML tutorial :-) Here is what you're looking for: http://www.inspiredlogic.com/downloads.html - mcripper cheers bob Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Info-Matic, a too to manage information
Sounds intriguing, Roger, but I can't get it to download. Your other stacks download fine from RevOnline but this one produces no visible result. Maybe a transient glitch or I moved too fast. But I thought you should know anyway. On Sep 27, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Roger Guay wrote: Hello all, I would like to announce my humble offer of an information management tool I call Info-Matc. Info-Matic is a tool that manages your collection of trivia, interesting facts, recipes, scripts and general information of almost any type. This tool is easy to use with an index card (Info Card) and storage Basket metaphor. Simply create Info Cards as you need them, and drag them to Basket categories of your choosing. I am sharing this as a Rev stack for the time being, and it's available for free at the User Spaces of revOnline. Look for Info- Matic under RogerG or General category. Give it a try, be sure to read the Help screen, and let me know what you think. Cheers, Roger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: another yucky geometry question
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:53:36 -0700 From: TJ Frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: another yucky geometry question To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks so much Jim, but alas, as this screenshot shows neither axis will ever be parallel since this is a 2D perspectiev drawing utility. This second image of the link is a screenshot shows a typical VP setup that might exist and all the variations of ellipses that might result... http://www.tjframe.com/EllipseExample.htm But as I alluded to earlier, Perhaps this would be beyond the scope of something I could implement. I know that 3D do ellipses every day, all day long, so I had assumed it would be a straightfoward task. But I guess they use matrix calculations to generate the points of the object rotated and stuff. Perhaps I would need to have a 3D underpinning for the ellipse stuff to work.. For now I'll put that feature on hold. Thanks again guys, - TJ TJ, Using the drawEllipse handler it is not hard to draw an ellipse of any dimension, at any angle, at any location. It is fairly quick, about 8 or 9 millisec. But, as I said, there would be a fair bit of calculation required to GET the proper loc, dimensions, and angle. You would need to expand on the calculation I used in the stack ellipseInAbox to make the ellipse tangent to the radial lines. A bit of work, but doable. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data-design question
On Sep 27, 2005, at 3:44 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: [NB - I'd use Trevor's libDatabase along with either 1, 2 or 3 - looks really nice, esp. for someone who isn't an SQL expert. And it does work with PostgreSQL, even thought there are a few places where it only mentions MySQL.] There are a couple of areas that you may experience problems with PostgreSQL: 1) Quoting strings. libDatabase automatically quotes strings for you when updating/adding records. I haven't looked up what characters need to be escaped for PostgreSQL so right now PostgreSQL uses the MySQL escape routine. 2) Exporting from PostgreSQL to another DB. I haven't looked at all of the data types form PostgreSQL so some of the field type mappings might be off. This would only be an issue if you were developing in PostgreSQL and deploying to SQLite, Valentia, etc. I think that is about it. I'm happy to correct these things if anyone who uses PostgreSQL wants to provide the details or point me to the proper place in their docs. Too many choices . I've been meaning to write a real SQL app some day, so you've triggered me into trying it. I'm trying a combination of 2 and 5, partly to get a better idea of how portable SQL should be between PostgreSQL and SQLite. I'd imagine you shouldn't have too many problems with SQL depending on how complex your queries get. One problem I ran into with MySQL and SQLite was that if you try to access columns by name given this query: SELECT t1.ID, t2.Title FROM table1 t1, table2 t2 WHERE t1.LinkID = t2.ID The MySQL driver would return them as ID and Title (This is the behavior in Revolution as well as PHP). With the altSQLite driver the columns are named t1.ID and t2.Title. To get around that you have to do this: SELECT t1.ID as ID, t2.Title as Title FROM table1 t1, table2 t2 WHERE t1.LinkID = t2.ID When getting started, the thing to watch out for is how you handle fields for uniquely identifying records. Each database vendor tends to have their own method for creating unique ids for records in tables. If you rely on a vendor specific method then when you port you will be sad. Best to right your own routine for getting unique ids for new records in tables. libDatabase has a simple method built into it that you can use to get started. It just uses one table that stores the names of all of the other tables along with the next id. When you use libdb_addNextToTable then the library will handle getting the next available id. The getting started doc explains this. There are other issues of course, but that can be a big kink in your port. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Export/Import Stacks as XML
Whats - the interest? Is there not something going on with standards based file formats for education or...??? or do I have crossed wires? On 27 Sep 2005, at 18:20, Klaus Major wrote: Hi David, Thanks a lot! All the Best Dave Quoting David Burgun [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi All, I seem to remember a while back seeing a stack that would export/ import other Stacks to/from XML but I can't seem to find it now. Can anyone point me to it? It is on Sarah's site. http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials.html no sorry, that's just the very fine XML tutorial :-) Here is what you're looking for: http://www.inspiredlogic.com/downloads.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] [Attempted Humor Warning] Re: data-design question
On Sep 27, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: that can be a big kink in your port Which could really clog up shipping, to say nothing of what it might do to the price of oil. ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Neural network stacks?
Hi, I'm starting to learn about neural networks and hoping some stacks are out there somewhere. Any leads are appreciated! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Neural Networks?
I'm sorry for the double message but I know how important subject headers are. I apologize in all events as a) I may have supplied a specific header in my last message or b) I probably didn't. Anyway, yeah, I'm looking for neural network stacks. Any leads are appreciated! __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Neural network stacks?
On 9/27/05 8:26 PM, Eric Engle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm starting to learn about neural networks and hoping some stacks are out there somewhere. Any leads are appreciated! Hi Eric, I do not think there is sense write NN in the script lang. I do believe C/C++ is the best choice for this. One of the best NN-kind app I have see for MacOS is Knowledge Miner. Although it is not open sources -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
ANN: Info-Matic, a too to manage information
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:05:50 -0600 From: Roger Guay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ANN: Info-Matic, a too to manage information To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello all, I would like to announce my humble offer of an information management tool I call Info-Matc. Info-Matic is a tool that manages your collection of trivia, interesting facts, recipes, scripts and general information of almost any type. This tool is easy to use with an index card (Info Card) and storage Basket metaphor. Simply create Info Cards as you need them, and drag them to Basket categories of your choosing. I am sharing this as a Rev stack for the time being, and it's available for free at the User Spaces of revOnline. Look for Info- Matic under RogerG or General category. Give it a try, be sure to read the Help screen, and let me know what you think. Cheers, Roger Roger, Nothing happens when I click on Show. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Neural network stacks?
I concur. I've tried to do NN simple nets and the cost in time is prohibitive... Transcript is not fast enough. There's lots of opensource c code around though. aifactory.com plus links to start with. wiki pedia, sourceforge, etc... just search open source code neural networks. http://www.neural-networks-at-your-fingertips.com/ but any of those examples will make rev crawl... maybe a good job for external examples... if you do want a running stack example I have one... it's the BPN example... however, I warn you, somewhere in the transcription, the results become distinctively different... The c version runs in half a second, rev does for minutes or hours... Where's Sergey when we need him? He had a full suit of NN for HyperCard... I got the stacks somewhere but no code, sorry. cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruslan Zasukhin Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:31 PM To: use-revolution Subject: Re: Neural network stacks? On 9/27/05 8:26 PM, Eric Engle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm starting to learn about neural networks and hoping some stacks are out there somewhere. Any leads are appreciated! Hi Eric, I do not think there is sense write NN in the script lang. I do believe C/C++ is the best choice for this. One of the best NN-kind app I have see for MacOS is Knowledge Miner. Although it is not open sources -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Finding the menu item that has been right-clicked on
Hello all, Does anyone know if there is a way of identifying the menubar menu item that has been right-clicked on? My on mousedown handler can trap the right-click, but I would like to know which item in the menu was clicked. -- Script in button dropdown of group menubar1 on mousedown theButton if theButton = 3 then -- Right-click -- How can I tell which item in btn dropdown was -- right-clicked? end if end mousedown Would anyone know if this is possible? thanks in advance, Ivan Wong Send instant messages to your online friends http://asia.messenger.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Export/Import Stacks as XML
I would like to convert XML and the windows infopath schema to SQL and
then access the SQL with a stack. There doesn't seem to be any program other
than MS Infopath that can work with the infopath schema. Does anyone know of
one (ideally Mac OSX so I don't have to run it in the emulater)?
On 9/27/05 1:52 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
david bovill wrote:
Whats - the interest? Is there not something going on with standards
based file formats for education or...??? or do I have crossed wires?
I wrote an XML exporter/importer years ago. Don't even know where it is
today.
It's hard to beat native stack files for efficient transport.
For even great efficiency the built-in GZip compression is very handy.
And for ASCII transfer running Base64encode on the compressed stack will
inflate it only a bit, still much smaller than the original.
XML is great for transferring data between systems that know little
about each other. But what system other than another Rev engine will be
able to do much with Rev's object model and Transcript?
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Re: ANN: InfoMatic, a Tool to Manage Information
Thanks Dan. It didn't like the fact that I named the stack Info- Matic . . . with a dash. So I had to remove the dash, and the name is now InfoMatic. I checked, and you can download it now. Go to RogerG or General Category of User Spaces of revOnlineand, and look for InfoMatic. Thanks again, Roger On Sep 27, 2005, at 11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 4 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:23:41 -0700 From: Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ANN: Info-Matic, a too to manage information To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Sounds intriguing, Roger, but I can't get it to download. Your other stacks download fine from RevOnline but this one produces no visible result. Maybe a transient glitch or I moved too fast. But I thought you should know anyway. On Sep 27, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Roger Guay wrote: Hello all, I would like to announce my humble offer of an information management tool I call Info-Matc. Info-Matic is a tool that manages your collection of trivia, interesting facts, recipes, scripts and general information of almost any type. This tool is easy to use with an index card (Info Card) and storage Basket metaphor. Simply create Info Cards as you need them, and drag them to Basket categories of your choosing. I am sharing this as a Rev stack for the time being, and it's available for free at the User Spaces of revOnline. Look for Info- Matic under RogerG or General category. Give it a try, be sure to read the Help screen, and let me know what you think. Cheers, Roger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Neural Networks?
There's some hypercard stuff here: http://www.phil.gu.se/kog/download.htm maybe it can be imported to Rev. Cheers, Mark On 27 Sep 2005, at 18:27, Eric Engle wrote: I'm sorry for the double message but I know how important subject headers are. I apologize in all events as a) I may have supplied a specific header in my last message or b) I probably didn't. Anyway, yeah, I'm looking for neural network stacks. Any leads are appreciated! __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Neural Networks?
could someone translate those for a pc user? if they are not external NN based... it would be great... Although this now is a bit late, but there's tons of shell neural network tools out there... and they should be easier to script than externals... cheers Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Smith Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:21 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Neural Networks? There's some hypercard stuff here: http://www.phil.gu.se/kog/download.htm maybe it can be imported to Rev. Cheers, Mark On 27 Sep 2005, at 18:27, Eric Engle wrote: I'm sorry for the double message but I know how important subject headers are. I apologize in all events as a) I may have supplied a specific header in my last message or b) I probably didn't. Anyway, yeah, I'm looking for neural network stacks. Any leads are appreciated! __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: slooowwww text entry in fields
Hi Dan, Same here. I reported I sometimes got the same problem But such slowness doesn't occur very often (I have experienced it 2-3 times since I use Revolution, that is a year or so). Slowness is usually highly correlated with (1) the number of days my computer has been on ( I am one of those who doesn't switch of her computer overnight) and (2) the number of times I have run a program in which I made a stupid error which caused some perpetual looping, with ctl-. required to interrupt it. And yes, other programs get slow as well. Marielle For my part, I can't confirm the problem. I see it from time to time but when I do, I usually notice the problem in other apps besides Rev so I've always assumed it wasn't a Rev problem at all but rather a system-level problem. I'm not sure I'm a wirehead in this context -- perhaps more of a brillo-head? -- but I know that very often threads go unanswered here principally because the problems they describe aren't something many others can confirm. I've asked Apple and my local dealer tech support about this problem and I get blank stares, lack of confirmation, denial, and suggestions from the old days (restart your system). Maybe that's all there is. On Sep 23, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Timothy Miller wrote: We had a little thread on this a week or two ago. Several users confirmed the problem. Some had fast machines, so I guess the speed of my machine is not the main problem. I think they were all Mac users. I never did figure out if this is a Macintosh-only issue. None of the gurus on the list ever replied. Well... no one's obligated of course. It seems like a non-trivial issue, even if it is a bit on the minor side. I'm wondering why none of the true wireheads replied. Or maybe someone did and I missed it. If it's a stupid question, or if we've been over and over it on the list and I missed it, no hard feelings. I'm still kinda wondrin about this issue, though. Cheers, --- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Lexicall: http://lexicall.org Revolution-education: http://revolution.lexicall.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Business Models in the online world
Hi all, Long time ago, i was looking for info about this topic and today, searching again, i found this useful guide: http://digitalenterprise.org/models/models.html How many of these business models are viable using Revolution/DreamCard? Thanks in advance al Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: InfoMatic, a Tool to Manage Information
It never ceases to amaze me how servers make these arbitrary decisions. I had an email address with a hyphen in it and several Web sites rejected it as an invalid address. Result: I didn't use their services. On Sep 27, 2005, at 11:05 AM, Roger Guay wrote: Thanks Dan. It didn't like the fact that I named the stack Info- Matic . . . with a dash. So I had to remove the dash, and the name is now InfoMatic. I checked, and you can download it now. Go to RogerG or General Category of User Spaces of revOnlineand, and look for InfoMatic. ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Business Models in the online world
Alejandro Tejada wrote: Hi all, Long time ago, i was looking for info about this topic and today, searching again, i found this useful guide: http://digitalenterprise.org/models/models.html How many of these business models are viable using Revolution/DreamCard? Any that will turn a profit. :) But seriously, as I read that it seems those aren't dependent on specific technologies. They seem to be related to the value proposition of the company more than any specific implementation. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Neural network stacks?
I did start a small stack which used 'modified' genetic algorithms to refine 'designs' a while back. I was thinking NN was the next step in refining the process. best, Chipp MisterX wrote: I concur. I've tried to do NN simple nets and the cost in time is prohibitive... Transcript is not fast enough. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: JPEG comments
Ken Ray wrote: On 9/27/05 10:13 AM, Chris Carroll-Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anyone know of a way to write jpeg comments to an existing file? I think these are similar to the EXIF data written to files by digital cameras. I am working on MAc OS X. Preview can read and write these keywords - but it isn't scriptable! Alex Tweedly announced some time back that he had a libEXIF for working with EXIF data... Alex, any update on this ? No, not really. It works well for reading EXIF data, but I never did do the other (harder) part, i.e. writing EXIF data. (I also didn't do any further Manufacturer-specific Makernote info extraction). I found that the pure Transcript code was rather slow (*) (and the app I had in mind needed to be able to process fairly large numbers of photos) - so I basically put that project on the shelf until there is some mechanism for accessing binary data more quickly - whether numbered (fixed index) arrays or something else. For my project, I used an external tool (the command line version of Exiv2 from http://home.arcor.de/ahuggel/exiv2/index.html - available for Mac OSX and Linux as well as Windows, and free). The Transcript library is available from revonline under username alextweedly called libEXIF (*) I think I could handle 3-10 photos per second with libEXIF, and 50-100 per second with exiv2. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] tm|align Plugin
Greetings Developers: I'm happy to announce the availability of a small plugin for Revolution and MetaCard called tm|align. This layout tool provides object alignment features that go a bit beyond the current tools in Rev and MC. tm|align aligns objects like you would in virtually any drawing application, by using the most extreme positioned or central most object as the target. Using animated and text-based cues, you can align objects in any direction, distribute objects, contact objects, and even justify object edges without repositioning them. Plus you can undo your last action. And when you want the palette out of your way, simply collapse it. tm|align was built to work with the Revolution and MetaCard IDEs, on Windows and MacOS, as well as with Constellation, the powerful stack editor developed by Daniels Mara, Inc. (http://www.daniels-mara.com/products/constellation.htm). tm|align is available for US$12 via PayPal (an account is not required). Please visit http://www.tactilemedia.com for ordering information and details. Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Business Models in the online world
Al, Good article, especially the comments about the broadcast model. I believe the changes we've seen in commerce in the last decade are trivial compared to what is coming. Rev. will be part of some of it, and will benefit from other parts of it. Paul Looney -Original Message- From: Alejandro Tejada [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT] Business Models in the online world Hi all, Long time ago, i was looking for info about this topic and today, searching again, i found this useful guide: http://digitalenterprise.org/models/models.html How many of these business models are viable using Revolution/DreamCard? Thanks in advance al Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Tough revprocessing question
I have a solution... Testing the easiest... if you insert in your loops a casual wait for 1 millisecond with messages it will give rev breating time! so here's the breathing function in TAOO ;) this wait with messages function is full of promess! on breathe x if x is not a number or x 1 then global gperformance put gperformance into x or put 1 into x end if wait for x millisecond with messages -- log it? end breathe This allows to draw a great moire while revchat continues to work. this is definitely a step forward in virtual threading... now I got a performance option... cool! any other tips welcome! cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MisterX Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:21 PM To: 'How to use Revolution' Subject: Tough revprocessing question Here's x's regular hard question of the day... ;) Rev is great for 95 percent of the apps, this works ok though because you can divide information or make it painless in a prepared way or a different gui approach, no problem. But creating gradients, rendering images, treating a million of anything is a severe issue when dealing with rev's processing speed or throughput. I know, rev is not c... So in graphical applications rev can be a real bottleneck. If you have to treat lots of historical data for a display it's enormous time... Examples abound but im sure drawing fractals, finding simple permutations, or factorials, etc, the task soon becomes hours of wait for a calculation or an image to draw. This has two adverse effects: Rev is unavailable and your CPU spikes to 100% blocking other applications from operating correctly... It's a fact that if we want to use rev in parallel while it processes something, or lower the cpu we could add somekind of wait in the loop... And this is where im asking anyone's opinion on how to implement this... Here's some examples of ideas I'm thinking of... Loop 10^10 times calculate send idle to rev -- rev receives socket messages or user clicks, etc... then continues end loop or loop 10^10 times if the number of lines in the pending messages PMLimit then send calculate to rev in 12 ms end if end loop Problem with this is that things can get stuck, some waiting to be executed and your loop waiting for the queue to move... or loop 10^10 times calculate wait 50 ms with messages end loop Is this possible? The same situation applies to applications like games, simulations, graphic or processing-intensive applications. If this runs, it blocks the rev session, possibly other processes... Wouldn't it be nice to have some kind of Rev-OS like runtime breathing bubble for the os or other running stacks? It may be that osx doesn't act this way... It's severly annoying in windows. When I test MoireX application which draws graphical moires and more with 500X500 paint X 4 points X 3 colors (in a special function realm), it blocks everything including videos running in other apps! It breaks the connection to chatrev, rev looks like a frozen-hung application. The wise developper will say compile apps (but then I can't enhance them on the run), run in other rev-session (but it's easy to get confused - risky...). but what if you are developping the application and the testing creates the same blocking process in your workflow? Running 2 sessions of rev is not exactly handy, may require another license, etc... The point is to allow rev to multitask (not thread alas) and do all this in one instance of rev running alone (one 100cpu cycles sucking application at a time is enough ;) - also create parallel tasking things is not the easiest way to get projects done... There's solutions to this, I know... but please dont change the subject of giving rev some events back between loops or reducing cpu load... The point is go give rev time to breath between loop (or 5 loops) so it can work somewhat regularly (50% of the cpu would be nice)... Breaking down the loop into subhandlers doesn't really help (they can't be threaded) and sendeables is maybe a problem if we send each subhandler into the queue X 100. Using another runtime of rev is not the issue - 200% cpu used! overheating! your computer explodes in a new revolutionary way ;) In brief, is there a way to intervene in a task intensive loop, such that it brings down the cpu to 50% use, yet still be 75% effective compared to when we run all the loops uninterupted? I sense that a stack based event list in addition to the existing global eventqueue (pending messages) needs to be implemented for this... Is that a valuable improvement? If you work with databases or graphics, long text (+1MBs) or 1 of anything you know what I mean... cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com/rev
gridSnap Function
Hi TJ, Funny, I wrote something similar a week ago, to move a box to a given day in a calendar display. That looks pretty much equivalent to me. on MoveDayHiliteBox pLoc if not within(field Calendar, pLoc) then exit MoveDayHiliteBox put 20 into tXGrid --- This is the width of a grid cell put 21 into tYGrid --- This is the height of a grid cell --- This is to implement a small grid system, such that points aref forced on a grid put item 1 of pLoc into tX put item 2 of pLoc into tY put (trunc((tX - (tXGrid/2)) / tXGrid) * tXGrid) into tX put (trunc((tY - (tYGrid/2)) / tYGrid) * tYGrid) into tY set the topleft of graphic Hilite to (tX,tY) set the visible of graphic Hilite to true end MoveDayHiliteBox That's true... I have date handling functions in that stack I should post on the web one of these days... As I think about it, it is now on the web: http://revolution.lexicall.org/wiki/tiki-index.php? page=RevolutionSnippetDates (you can use the backlinks drop down menu to get to the snippets page) Marielle Hey everyone, Thought I'd contribute a simple function Im using in my current project. Someone may find it useful. Basically it snaps the mouseloc passed to it based on a given grid size similar to countless programs where you have the ability to snap objects to a grid. You can have non-square grids by using diffrent gridX and gridY values The way I use the function is that when I move objects by user interaction I just pass the desired location through this function first. for example - Set the loc of myObject to checksnap(the mouseloc,10,10) I also refer to a previously declared global variable gAlignGrid, that stores a boolean value of whether or not the grid is turned on. You can just eliminate the first line of the function if you dont need it. function checkSnap mloc, gridX, gridY if not gAlignGrid then return mloc put trunc(item 1 of mloc/gridX) into xfactor put trunc(item 2 of mloc/gridY) into yfactor if item 1 of mloc = xfactor * gridX + gridX/2 then add 1 to xfactor if item 2 of mloc = yfactor * gridY + gridY/2 then add 1 to yfactor return round(xfactor * gridX ) , round(yfactor * gridY) end checkSnap Feel free to post any enhancements or more efficient methods of doing this :) - TJ Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Lexicall: http://lexicall.org Revolution-education: http://revolution.lexicall.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Clipboard madness
MisterX wrote: put the clipboarddata[text] -- contains the right information while put clipboarddata[html] -- is definitely wrong and should not be trusted... In what way is it wrong? MisterX- Don't tell me what I did or didn't do... There's a sample stack in my RevOnline folder (mwieder) for you (XCopyTest) with copying and pasting data in all the various combinations. They *all* work just fine from here. I had problems too. The same situation as Xavier described. Copying html text to clipboard within revolution, pasting it within another application (Excel or Word). I ended up using clipboarddata[rtf] when I needed to copy formatted text. No intention to revive the hum agressive dialog on this. My understanding is that Mark never mentioned successful testing of this situation... the situation is copying some formatted text in revolution, using: set the clipboardData[html] to somehtml then pasting it into another application. The doc doesn't clearly mention whether this can be expected to work (after all, the html in rev is pseudohtml, not complete html). Marielle ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: another yucky geometry question
Wow.. ok thanks.. I'll delve into the whole thing again and see what I can come up with. Thanks for taking your time to help out! I wish I could give back more to the community myself, but everyone here knows as much or more than I do! - TJ On 9/27/05, Jim Hurley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:53:36 -0700 From: TJ Frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: another yucky geometry question To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks so much Jim, but alas, as this screenshot shows neither axis will ever be parallel since this is a 2D perspectiev drawing utility. This second image of the link is a screenshot shows a typical VP setup that might exist and all the variations of ellipses that might result... http://www.tjframe.com/EllipseExample.htm But as I alluded to earlier, Perhaps this would be beyond the scope of something I could implement. I know that 3D do ellipses every day, all day long, so I had assumed it would be a straightfoward task. But I guess they use matrix calculations to generate the points of the object rotated and stuff. Perhaps I would need to have a 3D underpinning for the ellipse stuff to work.. For now I'll put that feature on hold. Thanks again guys, - TJ TJ, Using the drawEllipse handler it is not hard to draw an ellipse of any dimension, at any angle, at any location. It is fairly quick, about 8 or 9 millisec. But, as I said, there would be a fair bit of calculation required to GET the proper loc, dimensions, and angle. You would need to expand on the calculation I used in the stack ellipseInAbox to make the ellipse tangent to the radial lines. A bit of work, but doable. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Export/Import Stacks as XML
Hi Dave, This may be: http://revolution.lexicall.org/listing.php Easy script interfacing or: http://revolution.lexicall.org/stacks_education.php (tools, plugins; added any time - HTML exporter) If you wait a week or so, I am now working on a XUL importer/exporter. For more on xul, search for XUL standards in the page at: http://projects.lexicall.org/taskflow/ Best, marielle Hi All, I seem to remember a while back seeing a stack that would export/ import other Stacks to/from XML but I can't seem to find it now. Can anyone point me to it? Thanks a lot Dave Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Lexicall: http://lexicall.org Revolution-education: http://revolution.lexicall.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data-design question
Hi Charles, Thanks for the SQLite pointer, in any case. But $149 for the plugin is not what I would call inexpensive. You can use the concepts of relational databases without using mySQL. That is you use some textfields to be the equivalent of a mySQL database. Assume that the basic record (in the database sense) is Album -- so the basic design is one card per Album. Each Album includes a list of Tunes (besides Artist/Group and Label/Date/EtcData). Each Tune is associated with one or more Writers, and also with a list of Players, each of whom is associated with an Instrument. So we've got at least four fundamental types of data lists -- player, instrument, tune-title, writer -- and some items that combine fundamental items in many-to-one relation. The rule for relational db is that any information that can occur more than once within a column should be encoded by an ID, with a second database being created that holds information about (space consuming) details for this ID. At least one column should have a unique ID (usually the first column in the db) This should give something like this (draft, not guaranteed to be exact). DB 1: Album composition TuneIDAlbumIDTuneDetails (as Album ID is used, it is ok if a same tune can occur in two different albums) -- Tune1Album1DetailsT1 (over multiple columns) Tune2Album1DetailsT2 Tune3Album2DetailsT3 DB 2: Album Information AlbumIDGroupIDLabelDate -- Album1Group1LabelDateEtc DB 3: Groups ID GroupIDMembersIDwebsite -- Group1 Person1URL1 DB4: Persons details (this is assuming a same person cannot be player and writer... otherwise Role needs to be replaced with RoleID and a new db created to hold details about roles) PersonIDRole FirstNameLastName Details (dob, url, etc.) -- Person1PlayerJohnDoexxx DB5 - Tune's writer TuneID WriterID -- Tune1Person2 Tune2Person3 Tune2Person4 DB6 - Tune's player TuneID PlayerID -- Tune1Person1 Tune2Person14 Tune2Person36 Any suggestions about the best approach to the internals of this? I'm not clear whether, for example, custom properties are up to the demands of what's essentially a relational database . . . Text fields are probably easier to manipulate than custom properties (at least during the design stage, when you want to debug your data handling routines). You can very rapidly sort a text field on a given column, which means you have easily at hand the list of all writers of a given tune, ore all the tunes written by a given writer. You can have a look at tree_view (http://revolution.lexicall.org/ stacks_education.php) for a (simplified) example of handling a relational database structure with textfields. I updated it today to fix some minor bugs. You have there sorting functions and functions to find the corresponding entries in the related databases. People here have convinced me not to write a whole relational database manager from scratch (that didn't take much). If you don't have that many records (less than 1000 tunes) and you don't attempt to create a completely generic solution (i.e. an application that can manage any set of interelated databases), you should be able to handle this with textfields and this shouldn't take more than a week to program (I mean for a version that works for you; not one of professional standards). Marielle ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Export/Import Stacks as XML
Whats - the interest? Is there not something going on with standards based file formats for education or...??? or do I have crossed wires? David, what do you mean by something going on with standards based file formats for education? - Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Lexicall: http://lexicall.org Revolution-education: http://revolution.lexicall.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: another yucky geometry question
Jim.. wow that is one amazingly useful function for my needs.. just played around with it by hooking it up to mulitple sliders and its going to be super useful for my project! PS: I dont know what type of system you are using, but on my computer the function takes less that 1 millisecond even with the step 4 part removed. I get nothing but 0 milliseconds when I run the function. I'm running a 1.7ghz p4 with 2 1/2 gigs of Ram.. - TJ On 9/27/05, TJ Frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow.. ok thanks.. I'll delve into the whole thing again and see what I can come up with. Thanks for taking your time to help out! I wish I could give back more to the community myself, but everyone here knows as much or more than I do! - TJ On 9/27/05, Jim Hurley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:53:36 -0700 From: TJ Frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: another yucky geometry question To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks so much Jim, but alas, as this screenshot shows neither axis will ever be parallel since this is a 2D perspectiev drawing utility. This second image of the link is a screenshot shows a typical VP setup that might exist and all the variations of ellipses that might result... http://www.tjframe.com/EllipseExample.htm But as I alluded to earlier, Perhaps this would be beyond the scope of something I could implement. I know that 3D do ellipses every day, all day long, so I had assumed it would be a straightfoward task. But I guess they use matrix calculations to generate the points of the object rotated and stuff. Perhaps I would need to have a 3D underpinning for the ellipse stuff to work.. For now I'll put that feature on hold. Thanks again guys, - TJ TJ, Using the drawEllipse handler it is not hard to draw an ellipse of any dimension, at any angle, at any location. It is fairly quick, about 8 or 9 millisec. But, as I said, there would be a fair bit of calculation required to GET the proper loc, dimensions, and angle. You would need to expand on the calculation I used in the stack ellipseInAbox to make the ellipse tangent to the radial lines. A bit of work, but doable. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Neural network stacks?
I'm starting to learn about neural networks and hoping some stacks are out there somewhere. Any leads are appreciated! No stack... this is too specialized a topic. http://revolution.lexicall.org/wiki/tiki-index.php? page=SoftwareModelisation If you are complete beginner, best way to learn is to download tLearn. http://crl.ucsd.edu/innate/tlearn.html It's quite intuitive to use. You define a network with a config file like this: NODES: nodes = 161 inputs = 105 outputs = 61 output nodes are 101-161 CONNECTIONS: groups = 0 1-100 from i1-i105 101-161from1-100 1-161 from 0 SPECIAL: selected = 1-100 weight_limit = 0.2 There is an associated book: Plunkett, K., Elman, J. L. (1997). Exercises in rethinking innateness. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press. which takes you step by step, from complete beginner to intermediate. It is found in most of the academic bookstores and hum, if you use google you can find it for free on the web: http://crl.ucsd.edu/~elman/Courses/cog202/tlearn.html http://cspeech.ucd.ie/~connectionism/ http://www.cogsci.ucsd.edu/~rik/courses/readings/plunkett97-RIEg/ If are serious about understanding the contribution of neural networks, the two bibles are (and remain): McClelland, J. L., Rumelhart, D. E., Group, t. P. R. (1986). Parallel Distributed Processing. Volume 2. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press.. Rumelhart, D. E., McClelland, J. L., and the PDP Research Group. (1986). Parallel Distributed Processing: Explorations in the microstructure of cognition: Volume 1. Foundations. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press.. There was an accompanying exercise book: McClelland, J. L., Rumelhart, D. E., Hinton, G. E. (1986). The appeal of parallel distributed processing. In D. E. Rumelhart J. L. McClelland (Eds.), Parallel distributed processing: Explorations in the microstructure of cognition. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press.. Which I strongly recommend. The book advertised at: http://www.cnbc.cmu.edu/Resources/PDP++//PDP++.html Is also excellent, but this is for a quite advanced public. The software presented there is for a *very* advanced public (you should understand the basics of neural networks before using it). If you need something more specific, contact me privately (I have been teaching connectionism in the past, from a cognitive psychology point of view... I even have taken Jay McClelland for a tour of Brussels). I have a few lecture slides and handouts with exercises and solutions in French and English as well. Ah yes, Why do you want to learn about neural networks. They were hot in the 80s, but nowadays most researchers recognize that some structure facilitates the learning. Marielle --- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://homepages.lexicall.org/mlange/ Lexicall: http://lexicall.org Revolution-education: http://revolution.lexicall.org ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Tough revprocessing question
MisterX wrote: I have a solution... Testing the easiest... if you insert in your loops a casual wait for 1 millisecond with messages it will give rev breating time! You might want to review the thread from this list back around 20th June this year, under the subject line Re: Ann: Simple Spirograph-like toy program. Worth reading, but the summary is that Geoff Canyon suggested wait 0 msec with messages (you don't even need to wait a whole 1 !!) any other tips welcome! Glad you found this - I was part-way through mentally composing quite a long reply, I just hadn't got to a keyboard yet - so this saves me some typing. I'm still concerned about the fact that you said moire would interfere with other apps. This has two adverse effects: Rev is unavailable and your CPU spikes to 100% blocking other applications from operating correctly... and When I test MoireX application which draws graphical moires and more with 500X500 paint X 4 points X 3 colors (in a special function realm), it blocks everything including videos running in other apps! It breaks the connection to chatrev, rev looks like a frozen-hung application. It should be up to the OS to limit the impact any one app can have on any other one by grabbing all the CPU - and as far as I know even Win does this OK, except for the problem of filling memory, and hence requiring large changes in page set to switch between apps. Is it possible that you saw those problems where the Rev stack was memory intensive as well as CPU intensive ? -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data-design question
Marielle, That's very helpful -- thanks. This thread has gotten me looking at MySQL, and I think I'll keep pursuing that, though I believe you that I don't absolutely need it for this project. (And who knows, I may manage to populate the thing with more than 1000 tunes . . . in several years.) But in any case, the conceptual overview you give is helpful, even as a way to think about how MySQL would do it, and how tables in a MySQL database should be structured. Charles On Sep 27, 2005, at 6:33 PM, Marielle Lange wrote: Hi Charles, Thanks for the SQLite pointer, in any case. But $149 for the plugin is not what I would call inexpensive. You can use the concepts of relational databases without using mySQL. That is you use some textfields to be the equivalent of a mySQL database. Assume that the basic record (in the database sense) is Album -- so the basic design is one card per Album. Each Album includes a list of Tunes (besides Artist/Group and Label/Date/EtcData). Each Tune is associated with one or more Writers, and also with a list of Players, each of whom is associated with an Instrument. So we've got at least four fundamental types of data lists -- player, instrument, tune-title, writer -- and some items that combine fundamental items in many-to-one relation. The rule for relational db is that any information that can occur more than once within a column should be encoded by an ID, with a second database being created that holds information about (space consuming) details for this ID. At least one column should have a unique ID (usually the first column in the db) This should give something like this (draft, not guaranteed to be exact). DB 1: Album composition TuneIDAlbumIDTuneDetails (as Album ID is used, it is ok if a same tune can occur in two different albums) -- Tune1Album1DetailsT1 (over multiple columns) Tune2Album1DetailsT2 Tune3Album2DetailsT3 DB 2: Album Information AlbumIDGroupIDLabelDate -- Album1Group1LabelDateEtc DB 3: Groups ID GroupIDMembersIDwebsite -- Group1 Person1URL1 DB4: Persons details (this is assuming a same person cannot be player and writer... otherwise Role needs to be replaced with RoleID and a new db created to hold details about roles) PersonIDRole FirstNameLastName Details (dob, url, etc.) -- Person1PlayerJohnDoexxx DB5 - Tune's writer TuneID WriterID -- Tune1Person2 Tune2Person3 Tune2Person4 DB6 - Tune's player TuneID PlayerID -- Tune1Person1 Tune2Person14 Tune2Person36 Any suggestions about the best approach to the internals of this? I'm not clear whether, for example, custom properties are up to the demands of what's essentially a relational database . . . Text fields are probably easier to manipulate than custom properties (at least during the design stage, when you want to debug your data handling routines). You can very rapidly sort a text field on a given column, which means you have easily at hand the list of all writers of a given tune, ore all the tunes written by a given writer. You can have a look at tree_view (http://revolution.lexicall.org/ stacks_education.php) for a (simplified) example of handling a relational database structure with textfields. I updated it today to fix some minor bugs. You have there sorting functions and functions to find the corresponding entries in the related databases. People here have convinced me not to write a whole relational database manager from scratch (that didn't take much). If you don't have that many records (less than 1000 tunes) and you don't attempt to create a completely generic solution (i.e. an application that can manage any set of interelated databases), you should be able to handle this with textfields and this shouldn't take more than a week to program (I mean for a version that works for you; not one of professional standards). Marielle ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Does resizing an image change number of bytes?
Hope someone can help with this question. If I import an image, say 1 meg, into Revolution using Import as Control and then resize it to make it smaller, does it still take up 1 meg, or does it take up less memory? Thanks. Steve Goldberg ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Does resizing an image change number of bytes?
Hi Steve, Image resizing alone won't change total stack size. However, once you've resized your image to exactly what you want, you can make a button to remove the fat, like this: on mouseUp -- first, prevent the image from expanding when reset set the lockLoc of img myImage to true -- reset the image's data put the imageData of img myImage into tData set the imageData of img myImage to tData end mouseUp Then save your stack and take a look at your stack size - it'll be smaller. There are probably other ways to do it, but this is one way. Phil Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope someone can help with this question. If I import an image, say 1 meg, into Revolution using Import as Control and then resize it to make it smaller, does it still take up 1 meg, or does it take up less memory? Thanks. Steve Goldberg ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Round thingies where you put files
All- Ever wonder about the difference between a disc and a disk? Someone with an overactive imagination and too much time on their hands at Apple explains it all. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302152 It's available in Japanese, too, and makes just as much sense to me that way. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302152-ja -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Does resizing an image change number of bytes?
Steve, Here's a handy function to 'flatten' a resized imgage: on mouseUp put the id of img 1 into tImgID flattenImage tImgID end mouseUp on flattenImage pImgID get the rect of img ID pImgID set the rect of img ID pImgID to 0,0,10,10 set the resizeQuality of img ID pImgID to best set the rect of img ID pImgID to it put the alphadata of img ID pImgID into tAD put the imagedata of img ID pImgID into tID set the alphadata of img ID pImgID to tAD set the imagedata of img ID pImgID to tID end flattenImage Setting the resizeQuality to 'best' uses bilinear interpolation for the resize, much better than the standard nearest neighbor interpolation. Once you set it to best, you need to resize it for it to take effect, thus the changing of the rect of the img. Also, this will work with transparent png's as well. best, Chipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope someone can help with this question. If I import an image, say 1 meg, into Revolution using Import as Control and then resize it to make it smaller, does it still take up 1 meg, or does it take up less memory? Thanks. Steve Goldberg ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Does resizing an image change number of bytes?
OOPS, it's not a function, it's a handler...and not sure what a 'imgage' really is ;-) Chipp Walters wrote: Here's a handy function to 'flatten' a resized imgage: ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Neural networking student: step throught the code
took a course in Neural networking. the prof said the computer code was too dense and referred me to verbal passages that made no sense at all. in desperation i tried stepping through the code and it all came clear. the equations and graphics were intuitive when seen one line of code at a time . Erik Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Neural networking student: step throught the code
Erik Hansen wrote: took a course in Neural networking. the prof said the computer code was too dense and referred me to verbal passages that made no sense at all. in desperation i tried stepping through the code and it all came clear. the equations and graphics were intuitive when seen one line of code at a time . Many years ago I had a subscription to AI Magazine, and they ran a good many columns by a very talented writer on neural networks named Maureen Caudill. She never lacked depth to her writings, but somehow managed to explain things in ways that even a relative neophyte like me could understand. I've not seen much in the way of web-published work from her, but I'm sure you could find some of her books through your local library. In a quick Google for her name I stumbled across this item which may be worth a look: http://web.informatik.uni-bonn.de/II/ag-klein/people/zach/benchmarks/NeuralNetTest.java Excerpt: * Class NeuralNetTest * * Aka Back Propagationn Neural Net. This code is a modified * version of the code that was submitted to BYTE Magazine by * Maureen Caudill. It accompanied her article Expert Networks, * BYTE, Oct. '91, though that article doesn't discuss this type * of neural net algorithm in particular. For that, see Back * Propagation, BYTE, Oct. '97 by William P. Jones and Josiah * Hoskins. * * The author's original heading/comment was as follows: * * Backpropagation Network * Written by Maureen Caudill * in Think C 4.0 on a Macintosh * * (c) Maureen Caudill 1988-1991 * This network will accept 5x7 input patterns and produce 8 bit * output patterns. The source code may be copied or modified * without restriction, but no fee may be charged for its use. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Neural networking student: step throught the code
More Input! More Input! --- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik Hansen wrote: took a course in Neural networking. the prof said the computer code was too dense and referred me to verbal passages that made no sense at all. in desperation i tried stepping through the code and it all came clear. the equations and graphics were intuitive when seen one line of code at a time . Many years ago I had a subscription to AI Magazine, and they ran a good many columns by a very talented writer on neural networks named Maureen Caudill. She never lacked depth to her writings, but somehow managed to explain things in ways that even a relative neophyte like me could understand. I've not seen much in the way of web-published work from her, but I'm sure you could find some of her books through your local library. In a quick Google for her name I stumbled across this item which may be worth a look: http://web.informatik.uni-bonn.de/II/ag-klein/people/zach/benchmarks/NeuralNetTest.java Excerpt: * Class NeuralNetTest * * Aka Back Propagationn Neural Net. This code is a modified * version of the code that was submitted to BYTE Magazine by * Maureen Caudill. It accompanied her article Expert Networks, * BYTE, Oct. '91, though that article doesn't discuss this type * of neural net algorithm in particular. For that, see Back * Propagation, BYTE, Oct. '97 by William P. Jones and Josiah * Hoskins. * * The author's original heading/comment was as follows: * * Backpropagation Network * Written by Maureen Caudill * in Think C 4.0 on a Macintosh * * (c) Maureen Caudill 1988-1991 * This network will accept 5x7 input patterns and produce 8 bit * output patterns. The source code may be copied or modified * without restriction, but no fee may be charged for its use. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
