Re: Transparency and PNG format
Thanks to all who replied to this, specially Ken Ray who gave me a quick way out of my problem and answered my other question too. This is by no means the first time I've been happy to thank Ken for a RunRev solution. I really appreciate it. Graham (OT rant: I had tried the Help files in Photoshop Elements but I just gave up because they don't give you, AFAIK, a step-by-step guide to making part of an image transparent. To my mind, Photoshop has been so successful that it's created its own vocabulary which is hard for amateurs to grok, but their huge success makes them thinking they're speaking English: perhaps my favourite is 'Unsharp mask' which actually sharpens! ). Message: 10 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:37:10 -0600 From: Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: To: Use Revolution List use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 11/29/05 4:05 PM, graham samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've now started to using PNGs rather than GIFS, and I can give them transparent backgrounds in exactly the same way as the GIFs (GraphicConverter on the Mac is really good for this - a lot simpler than Photoshop Elements... but I digress). That's the problem, unfortunately - you need to have a true alpha channel in order to have the PNG be transparent. To do this in GraphicConverter takes only one more step. After you've used the wand tool to drop out the transparent color, go to the Picture menu, down to Alpha Channel, and select Create Alpha/Mask Channel From Transparency. You won't notice anything happen in GraphicConverter, but when you save it out, you'll have the proper transparency in Rev/MC. (This leads me to ask if is there any disadvantage to using GIFs over PNGs - I kind of thought there was, but I'm no longer sure why). Yes, with GIFs you only get 256 colors, whereas with PNGs you get 24bit color. That's the primary reason. Have fun, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Transparency and PNG format
Yes, I had this problem with pictures that I converted to PNGs using GraphicConverter, while newly created PNGs worked fine. However I didn't know the trick that Ken has just told us all about, so I will knwo what to do next time. Cheers, Sarah On 11/30/05, Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, I might be going daft (might well be there already, for all I know), but I have a dim recollection of Sarah having this problem iwth PNGs prepared using GraphicConverter. Sarah?? I've now started to using PNGs rather than GIFS, and I can give them transparent backgrounds in exactly the same way as the GIFs (GraphicConverter on the Mac is really good for this - a lot simpler than Photoshop Elements... but I digress). However when I import a PNG as an image, the transparency disappears and the figure therefore appears in a white rectangle. I can fix this with inks, but only on the Mac, and this app is destined for PC users mostly. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Problem with the correct cursor showing up
Thanks, Jacquie - Your solution worked perfectly. You are the true master of the Standalone Settings (among other things). Steve Goldberg In a message dated 11/29/05 4:47:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried using cursor ID 28 instead of hand but the problem persists. I found time to do a test. Setting the cursor to hand works okay for me in a standalone as long as I make sure to include the cursors in the standalone settings dialog before building. Choose Standalone settings from the File menu, uncheck the default option that automtically looks for resources to include, and instead manually include the ones you need. Make sure the cursors checkbox is selected, since it isn't checked by default. Also include any other libraries or dialogs you need from the two scrolling fields, then build the app. You shouldn't have any problems if you do it this way. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is it possible to random images?
Hi there, Eric's advice did the trick but now all the images on the card are chosen (like the background image). How do I set like 4 images to be chosen at random? Been busy the whole morning but I can't figure it out. William de Smet Op 29-nov-2005, om 22:40 heeft Eric Chatonet het volgende geschreven: Hi William, There are many ways. Random applies to integers and your images have many specific *numbers* which are integers: IDs, number, altID, etc. For instance (just the idea): put random(the number of images of this cd) into TChosenImage put image TChosenImage into image DisplayRandomImage Le 29 nov. 05 à 22:34, William de Smet a écrit : Hi there, Thanks for all the help before! Now I've got a little question about the Random function: The following code shows a random number into a field: on mouseUp put random (20) into field random end mouseUp But is it possible to random images? Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is it possible to random images?
Hi William, Just group the images that may be chosen :-) put random(the number of images of grp ImageChoice) into TChosenImage put image TChosenImage of grp ImageChoice into image DisplayRandomImage Le 30 nov. 05 à 13:27, William de Smet a écrit : Eric's advice did the trick but now all the images on the card are chosen (like the background image). How do I set like 4 images to be chosen at random? Been busy the whole morning but I can't figure it out. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is it possible to random images?
Thanks Eric, Life is beautiful and easy... and so is RR! William Op 30-nov-2005, om 13:31 heeft Eric Chatonet het volgende geschreven: put random(the number of images of grp ImageChoice) into TChosenImage put image TChosenImage of grp ImageChoice into image DisplayRandomImage ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: More newbie problems
On Nov 30, 2005, at 1:03 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: Bob- Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 8:53:49 PM, you wrote: Thanks, I'm going to have to get used to this running of scripts to modify things. Or try the splash screen approach. Either check out the scripting conference stack on standalones for an example splash screen stack or check out the one on Chipp's web site. Thanks Mark. At your suggestion I've started looking at the conferences. They are quite a resource to the community, aren't they? I had been avoiding those simply out of general do-not-overload-the- brain strategy. Probably a mistake (others new to Revolution might want to take a look if they haven't already). I'll look at Chipp's site as well. What I was getting at with that comment you quoted is what I consider a Good Thing. Cheers, Bob -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Bob Hutchison -- blogs at http://www.recursive.ca/hutch/ Recursive Design Inc. -- http://www.recursive.ca/ Raconteur -- http://www.raconteur.info/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Substack Question
Hi Everyone, While reading the string of comments I was interested in the newbie question about substacks. I'm also a newbie so I need some help in this area too. What are the advantages of using a substack rather than just starting another mainstack? I use several mainstacks because if one becomes corrupted I can replace it easier from a backup. I realize Revolution is far more stable than HyperCard was, but I've learned it's always a good idea to religiously backup. Maybe if I had some examples of how a substack is superior to another mainstack it would help me understand the advantage. Joe, Orlando, Florida ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Substack Question
Hi Joe, The advantage is for distribution/release - one stack only visible to the user. In case you compile though, you can no longuer modify the stack (though nothing prevents your application from saving the substack as a mainstack later and modify that one). sorry for big sig Xavier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 30/11/2005 14:14:52: Hi Everyone, While reading the string of comments I was interested in the newbie question about substacks. I'm also a newbie so I need some help in this area too. What are the advantages of using a substack rather than just starting another mainstack? I use several mainstacks because if one becomes corrupted I can replace it easier from a backup. I realize Revolution is far more stable than HyperCard was, but I've learned it's always a good idea to religiously backup. Maybe if I had some examples of how a substack is superior to another mainstack it would help me understand the advantage. Joe, Orlando, Florida - To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has recently changed the email address format to conform with industry standards. The new format is '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Substack Question
Hi Joe, Mainly :-) 1. Substacks are embedded into the same file as the main stack: distribution is safer (their *exact* location is known :-) 2. Substacks are loaded into memory when you open the mainstack: you have not to check where there are... and can refer to them without *precaution*. 3. All handlers (and functions) you put into the main stack script are available anywhere in any script of any control in the substacks: you don't have to repeat any code. Safer and easier to maintain. Le 30 nov. 05 à 14:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : While reading the string of comments I was interested in the newbie question about substacks. I'm also a newbie so I need some help in this area too. What are the advantages of using a substack rather than just starting another mainstack? I use several mainstacks because if one becomes corrupted I can replace it easier from a backup. I realize Revolution is far more stable than HyperCard was, but I've learned it's always a good idea to religiously backup. Maybe if I had some examples of how a substack is superior to another mainstack it would help me understand the advantage. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
substack question addition
Hi everyone, I thought I'd mention a follow up statement. You members are so responsive it's amazing. The two replies so far are interesting. They don't apply to me though. I have no intention of distributing my work so I won't compile it into a stand alone. As far as not rewriting code, I keep common scripts in a start using stack that I always refer to when I open revolution. It's like the home stack in HyperCard. Joe Orlando, Florida ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
David Burgun wrote: I learnt Hypercard without a book, and I extended my knowledge, as RR extended xTalk, in the same way: by doing! That's great if you have all the time in the world to doing it wrong many times! Especially when the documentaion is just plain wrong! As with the spelling of documentation in that sentence, human error can creep into just about anything. While there's always room to expand on the material that's there, I don't recall any recent issue you've raised here in which the documentation was just plain wrong. This is from the Answer command: The prompt is a string (or any expression that evaluates to a string). The dialog box expands if necessary to fit the contents. This just doesn't happen, in many cases it just gets chopped off. There are other instances, but I really can't be bothered to find them right now. Actually I didn't particually mean RunRev in this case, I meant any system. The point I was making is that with other systems there is a bible you can refer to or many other sources of information that allow you to find the error, for instance, I have a book on C++ that is factually wrong, I hit that problem, I can look at a whole host of other C++ books or even the White book to see what is *supposed* to happen. RunRev is different in this respect and many times no one seems to actually know what is *supposed* to happen and I get a number of work arounds to a problem (from this list mainly) that may or may not work in all situations. I was also pointing out that the general pace of software development has changed over the past 25 years and that back then there was time for much more for Trial and Error than today. Sure, some sections could be expanded to address a wider range of needs, and for the love of Koresh I'd love to see a new TOC. A book or books like Inside Mac would be just fine as far I'm concerned, also a book like the KR C book which defines what is *supposed* to happen would be good too. Something that is the LAW and if the implementation differs then it's the implementation that is wrong, not the documentation. But factually incorrect? I'm sure there are errors in there, but no more so than with any other documentation project of such scope, and none that I can recall as related to the issues you've raised here recently. There are quite a few instances that I have found in the docs that are factually incorrect. This can happen I agree as with anything human. The thing is that in the case of the answer dialog it has been known about for a long time it seems. We have just had a new release of RunRev but the documentation was not changed. This is the problem, not that there are errors in the docs, just that they are not fixed or updated promptly either to make the code match the docs or the docs match the code. My Dairy of RunRev is a lot simpler! Day One: This is just GREAT I Love it! Week 3 - Why are there so many silly problems with it that spoil the experience? Month 18 - Why are there so many silly problems with it that spoil the experience? Take Care and All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
From: David Burgun RunRev is different in this respect and many times no one seems to actually know what is *supposed* to happen and I get a number of work arounds to a problem (from this list mainly) that may or may not work in all situations. Wiki? Dump the online docs into wiki pages, allow corrections/annotations to accumulate, integrate revisions for next release of docs. Wiki access could be through registered DreamCard or Revolution IDE, simplifying the qualified editor screening process and eliminating the wiki-link spammers and graffiti artists. Jerry Muelver Wiki is the answer. What was the question, again? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
David Burgun wrote: This is from the Answer command: The prompt is a string (or any expression that evaluates to a string). The dialog box expands if necessary to fit the contents. This just doesn't happen, in many cases it just gets chopped off. There are other instances, but I really can't be bothered to find them right now. RunRev is different in this respect and many times no one seems to actually know what is *supposed* to happen and I get a number of work arounds to a problem (from this list mainly) that may or may not work in all situations. The thing is that in the case of the answer dialog it has been known about for a long time it seems. We have just had a new release of RunRev but the documentation was not changed. This is the problem, not that there are errors in the docs, just that they are not fixed or updated promptly either to make the code match the docs or the docs match the code. David, As I mentioned earlier, prior to 2.6 the dialog box *did* expand both it's width and height as it says in the docs. But for HIG compliance reasons, RR decided to limit the dialog box to expand a maximum fixed width and thus introduced the bug you have discovered. In fact the basic dialog box still does expand it's height to fit the contents (up to a point, then it creates a scrolling field), so the docs are correct in that instance. Simply applying my patch will fix the problem you encountered. I'm sure the patch will be included in the next rev of Rev. I'm sorry it's so frustrating for you. Come to think of it, it was somewhat frustrating for me a few years back when I started. I spent a lot of time reading the list archives, and purchased all the docs available and read them. Still, it _was easier_ than learning ASP, ADO, SQL, ODBC, VBscript, PHP, stored procedures, Javascript, DHTML and the host of other technologies one has to wade through to just put up a simple web app. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
I am not so psychologically naive to believe that everybody will learn xTalk the way I did - and will not have the luxury of very well paid half-time jobs so that they have the time to devote to learning it the way I have done. It is indeed true that the RR documentation is not comparable with all the books on the market for (say) flipping Visual Basic (for 'flipping' insert your favourite B-word). Arguably some programming RADs are almost over-documented. An erstwhile employer bought me the printed version of the RR 1.1.1 documentation - before either he or I had realised that it was JUST a printout of the online docs. Maybe I am the one that is naive - but when I was in Illinois and unpacked my Mac LC III from Montgomery Ward is contained Hypercard (and no manual) and I just dived on in and got on with it: after all, it was such a breathe of fresh air after all those command-line fossils - and the GUI - well . . . It seemed at the time (and, I suppose it should still) that the underlying ZEITGEIST of Hypercard (read RR/MC) was that a manual should not be necessary. If somebody really feels a desperate urge (oh, dear) for an entry-level book and is prepared to sponsor me to the tune of some appropriate figure for a year I could probably knock one together. However, knock one together is exactly what I would do (maybe I shouldn't give away trade secrets ???) by plundering Danny Goodman's Hypercard book, the RR online documentation and a fairly goofy 'Intro to VB' book I, unfortunately was required to buy as part of my joke MSc course. The other limiting factor about any 'text-book' I wrote on RR/MC would be that it would, obviously, reflect my approach to programming, which might not be to very many people's tastes. Don't all rush at once to pay me good money for a patchwork quilt! I have not seen Dan Shafer's book; but if his sense of humour is anything to go on I would try that one first. I would also suggest that any would-be users of RR go round to their local library (in English-speaking countries) and borrow Goodman's book - a bit over-prolix for my taste - but good for dipping into and getting the feel of what Hypercard WAS, and what RR is MORE THAN. Ultimately my feeling is that RR/MC is now something that has 2 levels: 1. the heir of Hypercard: an approachable, Object-based RAD for the 'Home and Teacher' crowd. 2. a sophisticated programming language that is in the process of getting a long way away from Hypercard. If this is true (waiting for feedback, abuse, so on - Take the Hint) there certainly is a need for an in-depth book for #2 - and, just possibly, a 'Content Delivery and Reinforcement Programming' book for #1. I, personally have my doubts about whether #1 would sell. sincerely, Richmond __ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html ___ --- The Think Different Store http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/ For All Your Mac Gear --- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Substack Question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the advantages of using a substack rather than just starting another mainstack? I use several mainstacks because if one becomes corrupted I can replace it easier from a backup. Joe, Unlike HyperCard, the Rev engine loads full stacks into memory. Because of this, corruption is extremely rare. In fact, in all my years of programming RR, I've yet to encounter a single corrupted stack. Including substacks can be a great way to archive your project as well. When you save a substack, it saves not only the mainstack, but also all the other substacks as well. I like to keep project specific dialogs as substacks of a mainstack. But, like you, general library stuff typically goes in it's own mainstack. Also, if you're worried about backups, you might try my altArchive plugin, it's used by many in this list. It saves your stack and creates a serialized backup each time it's button is pressed. Along with other plugins, it's free and can be found at: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginCover/about.htm best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Substack Question
Hi Joe, Le 30 nov. 05 à 15:37, Chipp Walters a écrit : Also, if you're worried about backups, you might try my altArchive plugin, it's used by many in this list. It saves your stack and creates a serialized backup each time it's button is pressed. Great plugin. Lazy or absent-minded people might be interested, as many in this list ;-) in my Backups Picker plugin that can entirely automate the process (specify a delay, how many backups keep, etc) Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
Hi Dave, Do you know what kind of book would represent the docs? In front of me are 2 A4 books (I need my glasses to read them :-) which were sent to me by Runrev with Rev Enterprise 2.0. The first one (User Guide) is 370 pages and the other (Transcript Language Reference) is 570 pages... I think that maintaining the docs is a hard work: you could have some good surprise with the Rev next version :-) Le 30 nov. 05 à 14:48, David Burgun a écrit : There are quite a few instances that I have found in the docs that are factually incorrect. This can happen I agree as with anything human. The thing is that in the case of the answer dialog it has been known about for a long time it seems. We have just had a new release of RunRev but the documentation was not changed. This is the problem, not that there are errors in the docs, just that they are not fixed or updated promptly either to make the code match the docs or the docs match the code. Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
David Burgun wrote: This is from the Answer command: The prompt is a string (or any expression that evaluates to a string). The dialog box expands if necessary to fit the contents. This just doesn't happen, in many cases it just gets chopped off. There are other instances, but I really can't be bothered to find them right now. RunRev is different in this respect and many times no one seems to actually know what is *supposed* to happen and I get a number of work arounds to a problem (from this list mainly) that may or may not work in all situations. The thing is that in the case of the answer dialog it has been known about for a long time it seems. We have just had a new release of RunRev but the documentation was not changed. This is the problem, not that there are errors in the docs, just that they are not fixed or updated promptly either to make the code match the docs or the docs match the code. David, As I mentioned earlier, prior to 2.6 the dialog box *did* expand both it's width and height as it says in the docs. But for HIG compliance reasons, RR decided to limit the dialog box to expand a maximum fixed width and thus introduced the bug you have discovered. In fact the basic dialog box still does expand it's height to fit the contents (up to a point, then it creates a scrolling field), so the docs are correct in that instance. Simply applying my patch will fix the problem you encountered. I'm sure the patch will be included in the next rev of Rev. Ok, I understand the reasons why it happened and I have your patch and I do hope that it is rolled into the next release. BTW, Thanks for doing that patch! It was really good of you, this one of the really great things about RunRev, the abilty to patch like that! I'm sorry it's so frustrating for you. Come to think of it, it was somewhat frustrating for me a few years back when I started. I spent a lot of time reading the list archives, and purchased all the docs available and read them. Still, it _was easier_ than learning ASP, ADO, SQL, ODBC, VBscript, PHP, stored procedures, Javascript, DHTML and the host of other technologies one has to wade through to just put up a simple web app. This one really was frustrating to be honest, I placed the answer dialogs to find a bug and the Answer problem just threw me! The other problem is that I had another problem with a bogus group causing the menuBar to stop working, since this was the same Stack, you can't help thinking that the problem *might* be caused by something bogus in the stack. Then you waste time looking for that! Anyway, all resolved now! And I totally agree RunRev is much easier to learn than the languages you mention above! All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Transparency and PNG format
Graham, PNGs support transparency as well as not. They are IMO the best for lossless compression. GIFs are good for animation. I use PNGs all of the time. I use Photoshop (not elements) and when I save a png I delete my background and make sure the BG is transparent (with little checker boxes in PS) But If I 'flatten' the image it takes away the transparency and instead if I flatten visible layers (Do not include the BG) then delete the BG it always works perfectly. That is the way I do it. I am not sure about GC since I don't use that anymore. This is not a limitation but rather a feature of PNGs that you can do both. Rev respects which ever way you saved the file. Tom On Nov 29, 2005, at 5:05 PM, graham samuel wrote: Folks, I've got a number of small GIFs in an app, representing human figures - therefore not rectangular. I managed to give each one a transparent background and RR honours this when I import the GIFs as images (i.e. the background information on the card shows up around the shape of the figure). I've now started to using PNGs rather than GIFS, and I can give them transparent backgrounds in exactly the same way as the GIFs (GraphicConverter on the Mac is really good for this - a lot simpler than Photoshop Elements... but I digress). However when I import a PNG as an image, the transparency disappears and the figure therefore appears in a white rectangle. I can fix this with inks, but only on the Mac, and this app is destined for PC users mostly. I've looked at the docs, but I can't see a way of telling RR to use the transparency in a PNG. I see a bit about Alpha Channels, but I don't know if I'm using an Alpha Channel or not, and anyway I can't understand how RR deals with them. I can of course convert all my PNGs to GIFs, but is this the only solution? (This leads me to ask if is there any disadvantage to using GIFs over PNGs - I kind of thought there was, but I'm no longer sure why). Can anyone clarify this for me? TIA Graham Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
Hi Dave, Do you know what kind of book would represent the docs? In front of me are 2 A4 books (I need my glasses to read them :-) which were sent to me by Runrev with Rev Enterprise 2.0. The first one (User Guide) is 370 pages and the other (Transcript Language Reference) is 570 pages... I think that maintaining the docs is a hard work: you could have some good surprise with the Rev next version :-) Have you seen the Apple Inside Mac Books? It must be as hard or harder to maintain the online docs that seperate PDF files. If they made say broke it down into (say) 7 books, it shouldn't be so hard to do. And as long as the latest updates were available online. I am not necessarily talking about a printed books (although that woukd be nice!), downloadable PDFs would be just great. For instance, for RunRev Version 3, wouldn't it be nice is the books for it came out way ahead of any code being produced. The docs could then be proof read by people on this list and as many errors etc. fixed. This would become the bible and could not be changed without RFCs like the internet committee. The implementation would then come from this bible and anything that differed from the bible would be considered a bug and fixed, unless an RFC is raised and passed. Of course this could/would mean that creativity is stifled in terms of adding new features, however this need not be the case. As long as the Standard RunRev 3 Bible was left as defined, there could be extensions that added to the language, similar to the way in which #pragma's work in C/C++, adding to the standard , but never actually taking the standard away. Eventually these extensions would either die out or be adopted back in the standard on the next major revision. I really do think that something like this just has to be done if RunRev is to really make it into the mainstream. All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:Transparency and PNG format
Graham, On November 29, 2005 4:05:09 PM CST you wrote: (GraphicConverter on the Mac is really good for this - a lot simpler than Photoshop Elements... but I digress). However when I import a PNG as an image, the transparency disappears and the figure therefore appears in a white rectangle. Here's how I create an alpha channel using GraphicConverter. Maybe this will help. To add an alpha channel to an image file using GraphicConverter. 1) Open the file with GraphicConverter. 2) Do a Save As under the File menu and select PNG for the output file type. I usually select another output folder to hold my converted images. 3) Select Select Picture Content under the Edit menu. 4) Select Copy and Copy under the Edit menu. 5) Select Add Alpha/Mask Channel under the Effect menu. 6) Select Show Alpha/Mask Channel under the Effect menu. 7) Select Paste and Paste under the Edit menu. This will paste a grey scale of your image into the alpha channel. 8) Select Threshold... under the Effect menu and adjust the level until you get a reasonable black and white mask. I sometimes have to use the eraser tool to remove some left over areas that I do not want in the mask. 9) Depending upon the image, you may need to select Invert under the Picture menu to get the right mask. You can change it with invert later if it diplays wrong. 10) Select Hide Alpha/Mack Channel under the Effect menu. 11) Select Save under the File menu. HTH, Glenn -- Glenn E. Fisher University of Houston - Retired 22402 Diane Dr. Spring, Tx 77373 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.uh.edu/~fisher http://home.houston.rr.com/thegefishers/ http://homepage.mac.com/gefisher ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
Hi Dave, Le 30 nov. 05 à 16:14, David Burgun a écrit : Hi Dave, Do you know what kind of book would represent the docs? In front of me are 2 A4 books (I need my glasses to read them :-) which were sent to me by Runrev with Rev Enterprise 2.0. The first one (User Guide) is 370 pages and the other (Transcript Language Reference) is 570 pages... I think that maintaining the docs is a hard work: you could have some good surprise with the Rev next version :-) Have you seen the Apple Inside Mac Books? In front of me too :-) But it's difficult to compare books coming from a more than 20 years company counting several thousands of employees and Runrev :-) May be one day? It must be as hard or harder to maintain the online docs that seperate PDF files. The docs are stored into XML files (about 1740 for the dictionnary, 500 for the faq, etc.). Data are of course not in the stack. So maintenance should be appear easy... Have a look in the components/help folder. If they made say broke it down into (say) 7 books, it shouldn't be so hard to do. And as long as the latest updates were available online. I am not necessarily talking about a printed books (although that woukd be nice!), downloadable PDFs would be just great. For instance, for RunRev Version 3, wouldn't it be nice is the books for it came out way ahead of any code being produced. The docs could then be proof read by people on this list and as many errors etc. fixed. This would mean that you should have to be a beta tester too: don't you have enough issues with released versions? If I understand correctly :-) This would become the bible and could not be changed without RFCs like the internet committee. The implementation would then come from this bible and anything that differed from the bible would be considered a bug and fixed, unless an RFC is raised and passed. Of course this could/would mean that creativity is stifled in terms of adding new features, however this need not be the case. As long as the Standard RunRev 3 Bible was left as defined, there could be extensions that added to the language, similar to the way in which #pragma's work in C/C++, adding to the standard , but never actually taking the standard away. Eventually these extensions would either die out or be adopted back in the standard on the next major revision. I really do think that something like this just has to be done if RunRev is to really make it into the mainstream. Something like that will happen for sure but needs a bigger community first: so, stay with us :-) Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Free plugins and tutorials on my website Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62 Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SQL question -- TIP on Valentina SQL
On 11/30/05 5:23 PM, Ivan Smahin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Florian, Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 9:33:22 PM, you wrote: Hi all! Say I have two tables: TABLE CUSTOMER with fields ID,NAME,ADRESS And TABLE PAYBACKCARD with fields CUSTOMER_ID,ID,CARDNUMBER If I search for customers with cards, I do SELECT * FROM CUSTOMER,PAYBACKCARD WHERE CUSTOMER.ID=PAYBACKCARD.CUSTOMER_ID Fine. But now I want to find all customers WITHOUT card. How can I do this? In this case there is no link between the two tables, I need SELECT * FROM CUSTOMER WHERE there is no link between the tables... There is at least 2 ways. 1. SELECT * FROM t1 WHERE t1.id NOT IN ( SELECT RecID FROM T1,T2 ...) 2. SELECT * FROM t1 EXCEPT SELECT RecID FROM T1,T2 ... Also. You can consider to have a link between tables. So you will get a lot of link-specific opportunities. Florian, It is not clear from your letter if you have FOREIGN KEY for this table. IF you have it, then you have LINK from Valentina point of view. And then wow, you can use MUCH MORE effective SQL than above 2 standard ways: 1. SELECT * FROM t1 WHERE COUNT_LINKED(t1, LNK_t1_t2) = 0 Right. You can see that in this case Valentina do not need do JOIN and other hard operations. Valentina will just use link. This is much faster. 2. SELECT * FROM t1 WHERE t1-CUSTOMER_ID is NULL Ivan, this query will require jumps to second table, so it is not so effective. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev stack format: [was Scope Problem on Standalones]
Richard, et al: v2.4 is the last engine version in which the file format changed Could you please put that in perspective of Rev releases? I just moved from v2.1.2 on MacOS X to v2.6.1 on Windows XP. At least 60% of my stacks will not open in 2.6.1 (either There was a problem opening that stack [sometimes without the OK button being displayed] or I get an answer dialog asking if I want to change license terms [which never shows response buttons]). I looked through the documentation for info on stack format changes and found nothing. Rob Cozens CCW Serendipity Software Company And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee. from The Triple Foole by John Donne (1572-1631) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
Hi Dave, Le 30 nov. 05 à 16:14, David Burgun a écrit : Hi Dave, Do you know what kind of book would represent the docs? In front of me are 2 A4 books (I need my glasses to read them :-) which were sent to me by Runrev with Rev Enterprise 2.0. The first one (User Guide) is 370 pages and the other (Transcript Language Reference) is 570 pages... I think that maintaining the docs is a hard work: you could have some good surprise with the Rev next version :-) Have you seen the Apple Inside Mac Books? In front of me too :-) But it's difficult to compare books coming from a more than 20 years company counting several thousands of employees and Runrev :-) May be one day? Yes, I agree, but then this isn't as big as Apple/Mac. It's equivilent to say AppleScript, QuickTime and the FIle System. As I said, I reckon it could be split into somewhere between 5 and 10 books. It must be as hard or harder to maintain the online docs that seperate PDF files. The docs are stored into XML files (about 1740 for the dictionnary, 500 for the faq, etc.). Data are of course not in the stack. So maintenance should be appear easy... Have a look in the components/help folder. If they made say broke it down into (say) 7 books, it shouldn't be so hard to do. And as long as the latest updates were available online. I am not necessarily talking about a printed books (although that woukd be nice!), downloadable PDFs would be just great. For instance, for RunRev Version 3, wouldn't it be nice is the books for it came out way ahead of any code being produced. The docs could then be proof read by people on this list and as many errors etc. fixed. This would mean that you should have to be a beta tester too: don't you have enough issues with released versions? If I understand correctly :-) That would be a good thing! Beta testing is just fine, yes the Bible should go through a similar process too. I'm not sure what you mean biut issues with released versions? The only thing I have problems with is new features being added when bugs that have been there for a long time are not fixed. This would become the bible and could not be changed without RFCs like the internet committee. The implementation would then come from this bible and anything that differed from the bible would be considered a bug and fixed, unless an RFC is raised and passed. Of course this could/would mean that creativity is stifled in terms of adding new features, however this need not be the case. As long as the Standard RunRev 3 Bible was left as defined, there could be extensions that added to the language, similar to the way in which #pragma's work in C/C++, adding to the standard , but never actually taking the standard away. Eventually these extensions would either die out or be adopted back in the standard on the next major revision. I really do think that something like this just has to be done if RunRev is to really make it into the mainstream. Something like that will happen for sure but needs a bigger community first: so, stay with us :-) Well, to me this is a chicken and egg situation, it can't get bigger til the above is done and that can't be done til it gets bigger. What it needs is some investment! How much do people on the list think it would take in terms of money to put this into place? I'd be happy to cough up $100 or so if I thought the above would be done. This would be credited back to to those who contribute in terms of free updates to the docs and (maybe) free renewal of license fees. (I've already spent far more than that in terms of wasted time!) Anything just to move this forward, it's been hanging around in the slow lane for too long. If something isn't done soon a similar tool will come along and wipe it out. I know some (if not most) of you on this list have had past experience with MC and it's kin, but I haven't and to be honest I have no loyalty in terms of history to motivate me (unlike say Apple or the Mac Plaftform), if something like rev came along, even if it only had 75% of what RunRev has now but all the above was implemented, I'd jump boat. Since I would really have more to put my faith in, in terms of getting to a mainstream product. Having said that, I suppose I do have *some* loyality to RunRev Ltd., since I admire (mostly) what they have acheived so far. I have also worked a founder member of a number of companies and know all about the growing pains and not wanting to let go of the baby. However, unless this product is allowed to become an adult, it's gonna be hanging round in pool rooms til time for retirement!!! All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: More newbie problems
Hi, I know exacctly what you are feeling - I had the same experience about 18 months ago! Here's what I have found is the best way to do this - at least for me! Instead of using the MainStack/Substacks all in one file approach, I've found is it better to made each Main Window (either real or dummy) a stack in it's own right. In my system I have a folder structure as so: ...BaseFolder/ProjectName/StartUp.rev -- Just contains a splash screen, you don't have to do anything here if you dont want to, it's really just a place holder to build a Standalone App from. ..BaseFolder/ProjectName/Runtime/Stacks/GlobalStack.rev -- is a Dummy (invisible stack) that just holds functions that can be used by any other stack or project - a UtilityStack if you like. ..BaseFolder/ProjectName/Runtime/Stacks/MainMenu.rev -- Holds the Default Menu Bar for the App ..BaseFolder/ProjectName/Runtime/Stacks/AppMain.rev -- This is your Main App window (if you have one) ..BaseFolder/ProjectName/Runtime/Stacks/AppPrefs.rev -- Preferences Window for the App ..BaseFolder/ProjectName/Runtime/Stacks/AppAbout.rev -- About Box for the App ..BaseFolder/ProjectName/Runtime/Stacks/Whatever.rev-- Any other windows you need in your App ..BaseFolder/ProjectName/Runtime/Images/AppSplashScreen.jpg -- Put any images you need in here ..BaseFolder/ProjectName/Runtime/Externals/ -- Put the External Commands for the App here ..BaseFolder/ProjectName/Runtime/Resources -- Put Language Localization files here I find this arrangement much better for the following reasons: 1. If a Stack gets corrupted, you only lose that stack, not everything!!! 2. Much easier to Manage in Terms of Source Code 3. Much more flexible since you can just drop a new .rev file with the same name into the stacks folder and change the behavour of that window. 4. You can change the order of the linkage really easily. 5. You can Reuse Stacks/Windows in other Projects/Applications much more easily. I have also implemented a fairly loose framework which makes it much easier to build a new window/stack and it debug existing windows. If you have questions about the above or would like to know more about how I go about bulding a new App in RunRev, I would be happy to share what I have learned, just drop me a private email and we can take it from there. All the Best Dave Hi, Having a blast with RunRev... in two ways at least: lots of fun, and shooting myself in the foot So I made a main stack and got it working quite nicely. I've grown attached to it even. Now I am coming to realise that this was something of a mistake. I should have made a dummy stack as the main stack and done my work in a substack. Next time for sure. So I read in the documentation Changing a stack's mainStack property moves it into the same file as the specified main stack. The stack becomes a substack of the specified mainStack. Unless I'm doing something wrong -- and this is a distinct possibility -- then this isn't precisely correct. This doesn't do much when the stack you are trying to change the mainStack property of is itself a main stack. In fact it doesn't seem to do anything. So, barring some error in what I'm trying to do, is there some other way to do this? I can't quite find answers in the documentation. Can you demote a main stack? Can you copy a main stack to a substack? Can you move a card from one stack to another? Can you duplicate stacks? Can you duplicate cards? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Cheers, Bob Bob Hutchison -- blogs at http://www.recursive.ca/hutch/ Recursive Design Inc. -- http://www.recursive.ca/ Raconteur -- http://www.raconteur.info/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Front Stack/Window???
Hi, Is there a message that gets sent to a stack when it becomes the front most window? e.g. when it is selected by the user, e.g. if there are two stacks: StackA and StackB, if StackB is selected and the user then clicks into StackA ) I would like Stack A to know this fact? For StackB to know that is has been de-selected would be good too! Depending on which stack/window is selected I would like to be able to perform a different action in another Common (library) stack. Is this possible? Thanks a lot Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Front Stack/Window???
David Burgun wrote: Hi, Is there a message that gets sent to a stack when it becomes the front most window? e.g. when it is selected by the user, e.g. if there are two stacks: StackA and StackB, if StackB is selected and the user then clicks into StackA ) I would like Stack A to know this fact? For StackB to know that is has been de-selected would be good too! Depending on which stack/window is selected I would like to be able to perform a different action in another Common (library) stack. Is this possible? Thanks a lot Dave Yes there is... see the suspendstack and resumestack messages hth Martin Baxter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
Recently, David Burgun wrote: It must be as hard or harder to maintain the online docs that seperate PDF files. If they made say broke it down into (say) 7 books, it shouldn't be so hard to do. And as long as the latest updates were available online. I am not necessarily talking about a printed books (although that woukd be nice!), downloadable PDFs would be just great. Hi David: There is a group that discusses the Rev documentation at the following address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RevDocs/ You might want to air your suggestions there. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: Front Stack/Window???
Hello, actually, it might be useful to activate the Message Watcher (available in the Debug Menu when editing a script, but staying around after the script is closed). It will be necessary to suppress some messages (at least cRevGeneral - what is this, by the way? Revolutions version of HC'S idle message?), but then you can click around and see what messages are created (you have to guess where they go to, though). But you will see the suspendStack and resumeStack quite nicely - and many others. Thomas -- -- Thomas Fischer Salzburg -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Martin Baxter Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2005 17:57 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: Front Stack/Window??? David Burgun wrote: Hi, Is there a message that gets sent to a stack when it becomes the front most window? e.g. when it is selected by the user, e.g. if there are two stacks: StackA and StackB, if StackB is selected and the user then clicks into StackA ) I would like Stack A to know this fact? For StackB to know that is has been de-selected would be good too! Depending on which stack/window is selected I would like to be able to perform a different action in another Common (library) stack. Is this possible? Thanks a lot Dave Yes there is... see the suspendstack and resumestack messages hth Martin Baxter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Backups Picker plugin
And it has saved my posterior many times... Thanks Eric, I never code without it. Lazy or absent-minded people might be interested, as many in this list ;-) in my Backups Picker plugin that can entirely automate the process (specify a delay, how many backups keep, etc) Best Regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Valentina?
I see there is a deal going were if you buy revolution they give you valentina. Does anybody have anything good or bad to say about valentina? I was going to be buying revolution anyways and maybe I should jump and buy before the offer expires. Thanks Steve ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Valentina?
I see there is a deal going were if you buy revolution they give you valentina. Does anybody have anything good or bad to say about valentina? I was going to be buying revolution anyways and maybe I should jump and buy before the offer expires. Thanks Steve if you are going to buy revolution anyway, getting valentina as a bonus is worth it. they work well together. i am not exactly objective since i have been using this combo for several years now and used valentina with hypercard before. robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Imitated multi-thread
On 11/11/05 7:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hershel Thanks, just to mention a few things, 1) to have a reminder beep and open the calendar at the time of an appointment scheduled, 2) to search my emails every lets say 15 minutes or so. Hershel Fisch Depends on what you mean by threading. I think multi-symmetrical processing since rev can't do threads. This implies a shared storage accessible to each processing node (or application) and a standard for sharing, commiting ops and retrieving the final result from the nodes by a node manager. Shared storage can be a file (any format i guess), sql db or sent via IP sockets. You need a master node sending out requests to the processing nodes and to collect results and eventually schedule the jobs. It's definitely not as hard as it seems but it's a thorny subject in programming. Cheers Xavier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/11/2005 21:29:12: On 11/9/05 10:37 PM, MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Hershel Yes it's possible. You can do so via sockets or files or sql to communicate among the different parts of your applications. Thanks, could you give me a bit of understanding? Hershel. Note that each method has it's advantages and inconveniences. cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com/taoo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hershel Fisch Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 00:47 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Imitated multi-thread Hello, is there a possibility to imitate a multi-thread by using a few separate stand alones ? If yes how, if not what yes? Thanks, Hershel ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - To make communications with Clearstream easier, Clearstream has recently changed the email address format to conform with industry standards. The new format is '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Answer Dialog Patch Available
Hi Chipp, I haven't downloaded your patch yet to have a look, but is it still necessary? RunRev changed things in 2.6.0 so that the answer text wrapped, and this caused some problems with cut-off text. However as far as I can see, this was fixed in version 2.6.1 Are there still problems that I haven't encountered yet? Cheers, Sarah On 11/30/05, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had the same probs as you all, and finally got around to writing a patch for answer dialog. You can get it by typing into the msg: go URL http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/answerPatch.rev; Then follow the directions. You can also 'unpatch' with this tool as well. Here's the bug: RR decided in 2.6 to become more HIG compatible with dialog box widths. Unfortunately, if a string is too long without spaces, it will run past the standard width of the dialog box. This can happen when displaying filepaths or large font htmltext messages. The fix will only grow the width of the dialog when absolutely necessary. It will still maintain the HIG compatible widths unless the text runs off of it. I also fixed it to use the Windows standard Tahoma font at 11 points as well. hope you like it. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Answer Dialog Patch Available
Sarah Reichelt wrote: I haven't downloaded your patch yet to have a look, but is it still necessary? RunRev changed things in 2.6.0 so that the answer text wrapped, and this caused some problems with cut-off text. However as far as I can see, this was fixed in version 2.6.1 Are there still problems that I haven't encountered yet? The answer dialog works well as described in most common uses, extending the width of the dialog within HIG-recommended ranges and adjusting itself vertically to accomodate long strings. It even adds a scrollbar if the string is too long to fit within the vertical size range of the dialog so you can put a novel into that dialog if you like. However, the Rev text engine still does soft wraps on word breaks only, so it's possible to come up with long single-word strings that will evidence this in the answer dialog -- for example: answer abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvqxyza1b1c1d1e1f1g1h1i1j1k1l1m1n1o1p1q1r1s1t1u1v1w1x1y1z1 ...cuts of at ...j1k. There's a request for more flexible word wrapping in Bugzilla: http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=727 -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Imitated multi-thread
On 11/11/05 7:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hershel Thanks, just to mention a few things, 1) to have a reminder beep and open the calendar at the time of an appointment scheduled, 2) to search my emails every lets say 15 minutes or so. Hershel Fisch Oh that kind of threading ;) Just use the send command: Send CheckMail to stack mailChecker in 5 minutes -- actually, you have to use 5*60 seconds but I like optimistic pseudo code Use a button to start the chain. To list the pending events (sends waiting to be sent) use the function: put the pendingmessages To cancel an event: cancel (item 1 of line x of the pendingevents) It's as good as threading gets in rev... ;) Threading is usually lower-level paralellism. For example when you want to send an event that takes minutes and other scripts can still run in the meanwhile. So far, the only threading capable function in rev is getting a url's data... What it does actually is more like a wait event with messages (see read from socket with message receiveddata etc... for other threading capable handlers ;) Im sure others can explain it better - but that the essentials. You'll find ample information on all those commands (send, wait, cancel, pendingmessages) in the rev docs too (which don't suck at all imoho)... cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com/taoo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Answer Dialog Patch Available
Chip, This is wonderful! I really appreciate what you and many others on this list do for us all. Many thanks and cheers, Roger On Nov 29, 2005, at 2:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:39:53 -0600 From: Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ANN: Answer Dialog Patch Available To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I've had the same probs as you all, and finally got around to writing a patch for answer dialog. You can get it by typing into the msg: go URL http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/answerPatch.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: More newbie problems
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You are saving the new mainstack, then opening *that* file, not the old file housing the mainstack you are moving, right? Basically, each file represents a specific mainstack and its associated substacks. If you have mainstack A in file A.rev and mainstack B in file B.rev, then make B a substack of A, save A into A.rev, and open B.rev, file B.rev was never changed during the previous process, so B.rev still opens with B as a mainstack... Make sure you are opening your equivalent of A.rev, not B.rev, when you are doing this testing. On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:53 PM, Bob Hutchison wrote: Hi Chipp, On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:38 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Hi Bob, Sure, it's easy to make a mainstack a substack of another. Go to your stack property inspector of the main stack you wish to make a substack of another. Make sure you're at the 'Basic Properties' section. There's a option button named 'mainStack'. Just click on it and select the new mainstack you want for this stack and it's done for you. I've done this at least a dozen times now. I can set the mainstack option button to the other mainstack. If I save, it reverts back. Change the mainstack again, click on the other mainstack then back on the one I just changed and it reverts back. Basically, I can't get the change in mainstack to stick. Actually, I just tried it a couple of more times. Thought I'd see what the application browser might tell me. It seems that I had an empty substack defined on the mainstack I was trying to move. Once I got rid of that, this worked. OK, I'm set now. Thanks. See below for other answers. Thanks, I'm going to have to get used to this running of scripts to modify things. Cheers, Bob best, Chipp Bob Hutchison wrote: Hi, Having a blast with RunRev... in two ways at least: lots of fun, and shooting myself in the foot So I made a main stack and got it working quite nicely. I've grown attached to it even. Now I am coming to realise that this was something of a mistake. I should have made a dummy stack as the main stack and done my work in a substack. Next time for sure. So I read in the documentation Changing a stack's mainStack property moves it into the same file as the specified main stack. The stack becomes a substack of the specified mainStack. Unless I'm doing something wrong -- and this is a distinct possibility -- then this isn't precisely correct. This doesn't do much when the stack you are trying to change the mainStack property of is itself a main stack. In fact it doesn't seem to do anything. So, barring some error in what I'm trying to do, is there some other way to do this? I can't quite find answers in the documentation. Can you demote a main stack? Can you copy a main stack to a substack? Can you move a card from one stack to another? copy card 1 of stack fred to stack sam Can you duplicate stacks? clone stack fred Can you duplicate cards? clone card myCard of stack fred Thanks in advance for any suggestions. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Bob Hutchison -- blogs at http://www.recursive.ca/hutch/ Recursive Design Inc. -- http://www.recursive.ca/ Raconteur -- http://www.raconteur.info/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDjjUa7aqtWrR9cZoRAhN+AJ9NxZadfOQn7yvExXs1sfd+yqkhuwCgjh6Q LHt+9EMjVl/yo22KGe9r5LU= =EM2N -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Answer Dialog Patch Available
On 12/1/05, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sarah Reichelt wrote: I haven't downloaded your patch yet to have a look, but is it still necessary? RunRev changed things in 2.6.0 so that the answer text wrapped, and this caused some problems with cut-off text. However as far as I can see, this was fixed in version 2.6.1 Are there still problems that I haven't encountered yet? The answer dialog works well as described in most common uses, extending the width of the dialog within HIG-recommended ranges and adjusting itself vertically to accomodate long strings. It even adds a scrollbar if the string is too long to fit within the vertical size range of the dialog so you can put a novel into that dialog if you like. However, the Rev text engine still does soft wraps on word breaks only, so it's possible to come up with long single-word strings that will evidence this in the answer dialog -- for example: answer abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvqxyza1b1c1d1e1f1g1h1i1j1k1l1m1n1o1p1q1r1s1t1u1v1w1x1y1z1 ...cuts of at ...j1k. Thanks Richard, That explains why I haven't encountered it yet :-) Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT - MySQL, PHP, and Japanese text
I'm using put URL tURL to call a PHP page, which in turn accesses a MySQL database. (Please note that PHP is the only way my webhost allows MySQL administration.) This was working fine until I tried selecting Japanese text, which is now ending up garbled at stack level. If it helps, here's my script for retrieving records: on mouseUp put http://webpage.php; into tURL put URL tURL into tTempResult replace cr with cr in tTempResult replace , with tab in tTempResult put empty into tResult repeat for each line tLine in tTempResult if tLine is then next repeat put tLine cr after tResult end repeat end mouseUp What I'm not sure off is: 1) is the replace , command breaking up the Japanese string? 2) at MySQL admin-level, does Japanese text require a special data type or data setting? It's varchar now. 3) at stack level, is there some command for setting received-data type? I'm not sure what I mean here, other than I've read before about things like binary encoding but only with a vague understanding As always, many thanks for the advise that, withoug fail, always arrives generously and kindly delivered. (I gush a bit because of the recent negativity about the docs and some aspect of RunRev.) Cheers, Nicolas Cueto niconiko language school ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
I think AppleScript (and CyberDog) was/were Apple's end result when they looked for a way to implement system wide hypertalk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:02 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation There was at one point inside Apple a very serious discussion about adding a TCP stack to HyperCard and stuffing it into the ROM. This was a year or more before the Internet exploded. The guy who promoted the idea got show down by Jean-Louis Gassee and left the company. Just imagine On Nov 28, 2005, at 12:13 AM, Dom wrote: wonder why Apple didn't make Hypertalk system-wide (apart reinventing the wheel...) ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
The MOST useful book (to me) by far in many years of commercial scripting with HyperCard was Dan Shafer's book on HyperTalk Scripting. It got used almost everyday for ten years or so. Additions to the language were always available in the What's New section of the users guide for each new version. I still remember the book as the most outstanding written tool for the most outstanding environment of its day. Don't know if that can be repeated for RunRev? Dan?... Do you know what kind of book would represent the docs? But it's difficult to compare books coming from a more than 20 years company counting several thousands of employees and Runrev :-) May be one day? Yes, I agree, but then this isn't as big as Apple/Mac. It's equivilent to say AppleScript, QuickTime and the FIle System. As I said, I reckon it could be split into somewhere between 5 and 10 books. It must be as hard or harder to maintain the online docs that seperate PDF files. The docs are stored into XML files (about 1740 for the dictionnary, 500 for the faq, etc.). Data are of course not in the stack. So maintenance should be appear easy... Have a look in the components/help folder. If they made say broke it down into (say) 7 books, it shouldn't be so hard to do. And as long as the latest updates were available online. I am not necessarily talking about a printed books (although that woukd be nice!), downloadable PDFs would be just great. For instance, for RunRev Version 3, wouldn't it be nice is the books for it came out way ahead of any code being produced. The docs could then be proof read by people on this list and as many errors etc. fixed. This would mean that you should have to be a beta tester too: don't you have enough issues with released versions? If I understand correctly :-) That would be a good thing! Beta testing is just fine, yes the Bible should go through a similar process too. I'm not sure what you mean biut issues with released versions? The only thing I have problems with is new features being added when bugs that have been there for a long time are not fixed. This would become the bible and could not be changed without RFCs like the internet committee. The implementation would then come from this bible and anything that differed from the bible would be considered a bug and fixed, unless an RFC is raised and passed. Of course this could/would mean that creativity is stifled in terms of adding new features, however this need not be the case. As long as the Standard RunRev 3 Bible was left as defined, there could be extensions that added to the language, similar to the way in which #pragma's work in C/C++, adding to the standard , but never actually taking the standard away. Eventually these extensions would either die out or be adopted back in the standard on the next major revision. I really do think that something like this just has to be done if RunRev is to really make it into the mainstream. Something like that will happen for sure but needs a bigger community first: so, stay with us :-) Well, to me this is a chicken and egg situation, it can't get bigger til the above is done and that can't be done til it gets bigger. What it needs is some investment! How much do people on the list think it would take in terms of money to put this into place? I'd be happy to cough up $100 or so if I thought the above would be done. This would be credited back to to those who contribute in terms of free updates to the docs and (maybe) free renewal of license fees. (I've already spent far more than that in terms of wasted time!) Anything just to move this forward, it's been hanging around in the slow lane for too long. If something isn't done soon a similar tool will come along and wipe it out. I know some (if not most) of you on this list have had past experience with MC and it's kin, but I haven't and to be honest I have no loyalty in terms of history to motivate me (unlike say Apple or the Mac Plaftform), if something like rev came along, even if it only had 75% of what RunRev has now but all the above was implemented, I'd jump boat. Since I would really have more to put my faith in, in terms of getting to a mainstream product. Having said that, I suppose I do have *some* loyality to RunRev Ltd., since I admire (mostly) what they have acheived so far. I have also worked a founder member of a number of companies and know all about the growing pains and not wanting to let go of the baby. However, unless this product is allowed to become an adult, it's gonna be hanging round in pool rooms til time for retirement!!! All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list
Re: AW: Front Stack/Window???
On Nov 30, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Thomas Fischer wrote: actually, it might be useful to activate the Message Watcher (available in the Debug Menu when editing a script, but staying around after the script is closed). It will be necessary to suppress some messages (at least cRevGeneral - what is this, by the way? Revolutions version of HC'S idle message?), but then you can click around and see what messages are created (you have to guess where they go to, though). But you will see the suspendStack and resumeStack quite nicely - and many others. -- And wouldn't it be lovely to have a Message Watcher that said more, and less? That by default suppressed all the mouseMove etc stuff? That recorded what handler (if any) finally snagged the message? Would that be doable? Charles ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: Front Stack/Window???
Charles Hartman wrote: On Nov 30, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Thomas Fischer wrote: actually, it might be useful to activate the Message Watcher (available in the Debug Menu when editing a script, but staying around after the script is closed). It will be necessary to suppress some messages (at least cRevGeneral - what is this, by the way? Revolutions version of HC'S idle message?), but then you can click around and see what messages are created (you have to guess where they go to, though). But you will see the suspendStack and resumeStack quite nicely - and many others. -- And wouldn't it be lovely to have a Message Watcher that said more, and less? That by default suppressed all the mouseMove etc stuff? That recorded what handler (if any) finally snagged the message? Would that be doable? UmbrellaMan does that by letting you select which messages you want to monitor. It's available in RevNet: Development-Plugins-GoRevNet -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: Front Stack/Window???
Richard Gaskin wrote: UmbrellaMan does that by letting you select which messages you want to monitor. It's available in RevNet: Development-Plugins-GoRevNet Where is it once I get into GoRevNet ? It's not in the obvious place (Stacks / UmbrellaMan). btw - each time I use GoRevNet, it downloads the 137Kb stack. Is it supposed to do that ? How do I stop it ? (Actually, I should be more precise - each time I start up Rev, GoRevNet will download the stack. If I select menu Development / Plugins / GoRevNet multiple times within the same Rev session, only the first such use downloads the stack, subsequent ones start up instantly. But if quit the IDE and restart it, next GoRevNet does another download.) -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/188 - Release Date: 29/11/2005 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: Front Stack/Window???
Alex Tweedly wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: UmbrellaMan does that by letting you select which messages you want to monitor. It's available in RevNet: Development-Plugins-GoRevNet Where is it once I get into GoRevNet ? It's not in the obvious place (Stacks / UmbrellaMan). It's in Stacks as 4W UmbrellaMan btw - each time I use GoRevNet, it downloads the 137Kb stack. Is it supposed to do that ? How do I stop it ? (Actually, I should be more precise - each time I start up Rev, GoRevNet will download the stack. If I select menu Development / Plugins / GoRevNet multiple times within the same Rev session, only the first such use downloads the stack, subsequent ones start up instantly. But if quit the IDE and restart it, next GoRevNet does another download.) Yes, as with any downloaded stack RevNet stays in memory only during the current session. I could maintain a local cache to avoid the 3-second download (I'm assuming yours isn't much longer, as I have the crappiest Airport connection of anyone I know g), and we might be able to use the cache for other things as well. If you favor a cache, where would you prefer to see it stored? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: Front Stack/Window???
4W Unbrellaman is the exact spelling in the list. On 11/30/05 5:16 PM, Alex Tweedly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: UmbrellaMan does that by letting you select which messages you want to monitor. It's available in RevNet: Development-Plugins-GoRevNet Where is it once I get into GoRevNet ? It's not in the obvious place (Stacks / UmbrellaMan). btw - each time I use GoRevNet, it downloads the 137Kb stack. Is it supposed to do that ? How do I stop it ? (Actually, I should be more precise - each time I start up Rev, GoRevNet will download the stack. If I select menu Development / Plugins / GoRevNet multiple times within the same Rev session, only the first such use downloads the stack, subsequent ones start up instantly. But if quit the IDE and restart it, next GoRevNet does another download.) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Why isn't Rev more popular?
What is the main reason (if there is such a thing) that Rev is not more popular among professional developers/programmers? It's been around awhile now. People have had a chance to hear about it. It has garnered some awards, at least on the Mac side. On the face of things you'd think it would be more popular. Just curious to hear what people think. Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?
I'm sure that is a question the RunRev folks would like to have an answer to as well. There certainly isn't just one reason and I doubt there is one main reason. There's a host of things that make up the answer including: 1. As a small company, RunRev doesn't have the resources to get the product as widely promoted as it could if it were larger. 2. It's not like anything conventional professional programmers know about so trying to explain it in a capsule is very difficult even for those of us who understand it well. 3. It competes with free languages and tools such as Java, JavaScript, Python, Perl, PHP, many flavors of C. 4. It's not taught at the university level. 5. It has been widely (mis)perceived as a Mac language, particularly because of its resemblance in terminology and language syntax to HyperCard. There are dozens of others. On 11/30/05, Mark Swindell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the main reason (if there is such a thing) that Rev is not more popular among professional developers/programmers? It's been around awhile now. People have had a chance to hear about it. It has garnered some awards, at least on the Mac side. On the face of things you'd think it would be more popular. Just curious to hear what people think. Mark -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Documented Cursor Bug...Please try.
Hi all, Jerry Daniels and I spent about an hour today trying to create a very simple recipe to replicate the 'Cursor stuck on I-beam' phenomenon most of us see regularly. I've built cursor libraries in the past to fix this, but the latest Rev engine (Windows) goes bezerk with the hand cursor sometimes and ends up writing garbage all over the screen. So, I'm more determined to just get Rev to fix the engine. Here's the deal. I would very much appreciate it if many of you could test out this simple recipe stack: type into the msg box (or cut and paste): go URL http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/cursorbug.rev; The instructions are plain, and you can get back to me on this list whether or not your curson got 'stuck.' It's been tested on Windows XP but not much on other platforms. It would be great if MC users could test this too, so we can document it as an engine bug and not an IDE bug (I believe this in an engine bug). Thanks!!! -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?
I'm sure that is a question the RunRev folks would like to have an answer to as well. There certainly isn't just one reason and I doubt there is one main reason. There's a host of things that make up the answer including: 1. As a small company, RunRev doesn't have the resources to get the product as widely promoted as it could if it were larger. Speaking of *promotion*...right now, as I write this, I am putting some finishing touches on an announcement web page for the European Rev Conference in November 2006. By getting such an early start I hope that my press releases, announcement to lists, and any other means of getting the word out will add more awareness of RunRev and their products. If anyone has ideas for getting the word out about this conference please get in touch with me off list. **Early bird pricing will be very attractive**, so please get in touch if you are interested in attending. We've negotiated a great package deal at a hotel for conference facilities and room rates. Meals, rooms, and conference hall in the same location means non-stop Rev talk for two full days! We had a ball at the 2004 Rev Conference - 2006 will be even better! More to come soon! ciao, sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Documented Cursor Bug...Please try.
Chipp Walters wrote: Hi all, Jerry Daniels and I spent about an hour today trying to create a very simple recipe to replicate the 'Cursor stuck on I-beam' phenomenon most of us see regularly. I've built cursor libraries in the past to fix this, but the latest Rev engine (Windows) goes bezerk with the hand cursor sometimes and ends up writing garbage all over the screen. So, I'm more determined to just get Rev to fix the engine. Here's the deal. I would very much appreciate it if many of you could test out this simple recipe stack: type into the msg box (or cut and paste): go URL http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/cursorbug.rev; The instructions are plain, and you can get back to me on this list whether or not your curson got 'stuck.' It's been tested on Windows XP but not much on other platforms. It would be great if MC users could test this too, so we can document it as an engine bug and not an IDE bug (I believe this in an engine bug). System: OS X 10.4.3, PowerBook G4 1GHz, 768 MB RAM Result: The cursor stays an I-beam after the window goes away. Once I move the mouse over any area which would affect a change, the expected change happens. So here, the problem is a minor one of the cursor not updating when the field closes. As for the junk cursor image, as you sure you're using v2.6.1? From the v2.6.1 changelog: Bug 885: Corrupted cursor issue ~~~ In previous engine versions, setting the defaultCursor property to a non built-in image and then setting the cursor to a non built-in image would result in the default cursor becoming corrupted. This has been fixed. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Documented Cursor Bug...Please try.
Hi all, Jerry Daniels and I spent about an hour today trying to create a very simple recipe to replicate the 'Cursor stuck on I-beam' phenomenon most of us see regularly. I've built cursor libraries in the past to fix this, but the latest Rev engine (Windows) goes bezerk with the hand cursor sometimes and ends up writing garbage all over the screen. So, I'm more determined to just get Rev to fix the engine. Here's the deal. I would very much appreciate it if many of you could test out this simple recipe stack: type into the msg box (or cut and paste): go URL http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/cursorbug.rev; The instructions are plain, and you can get back to me on this list whether or not your curson got 'stuck.' Cursor 'got stuck' on OS X (10.4.2) with 'Enter' and 'Return'. ciao, sims European Rev Conference 2006! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Documented Cursor Bug...Please try.
Your test successfully demonstrated the problem on my Mac running OS X 10.4.3 with Rev 2.6.1 Build 152. -- Dick On 11/30/05 8:38 PM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Jerry Daniels and I spent about an hour today trying to create a very simple recipe to replicate the 'Cursor stuck on I-beam' phenomenon most of us see regularly. I've built cursor libraries in the past to fix this, but the latest Rev engine (Windows) goes bezerk with the hand cursor sometimes and ends up writing garbage all over the screen. So, I'm more determined to just get Rev to fix the engine. Here's the deal. I would very much appreciate it if many of you could test out this simple recipe stack: type into the msg box (or cut and paste): go URL http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/cursorbug.rev; The instructions are plain, and you can get back to me on this list whether or not your curson got 'stuck.' It's been tested on Windows XP but not much on other platforms. It would be great if MC users could test this too, so we can document it as an engine bug and not an IDE bug (I believe this in an engine bug). Thanks!!! -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Documented Cursor Bug...Please try.
Richard Gaskin wrote: As for the junk cursor image, as you sure you're using v2.6.1? From the v2.6.1 changelog: Bug 885: Corrupted cursor issue ~~~ In previous engine versions, setting the defaultCursor property to a non built-in image and then setting the cursor to a non built-in image would result in the default cursor becoming corrupted. This has been fixed. Yeah, that one got fixed. This one is much worse. It appears if you keep setting resetting the cursor to hand/i-beam/arrow on mouseMove (which used to work fine), it craps out the entire display. Basically writing garbage all over the screen, not just where the cursor is. I haven't found a recipe for that yet. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
CAN REVOLUTION ACHIEVE THIS?
Dear Fellow Revolution Users, I have recently come across the revolution software and am quite impressed by it, however am not a developer and thence am requesting your comments and advice as to whether REVOLUTION can support the below described project. This is also an invitation for those advanced users who believe they can achieve the project demands to get in touch with me personally and discuss development in-depth. Kindly feel free to consult me for any clarifications. PROJECT BRIEF There are 25 Kiosks located in cyber cafes and chemists all across the country and the Kiosks are used to process and record discounts issue to card members countrywide. Each Kiosk has one administrator and three attendants. All members are issued with unique membership cards and are required to also have a PIN number with them. When a member visits any cybercafé and incurs any amount, they present their cards to the attendants who enter the card number and then ask the member to enter his PIN number and this opens the member account. The attendant then enters the gross amount of the members bill and the system gives a breakdown based on the members current monthly status. To complete the transaction the attendant has to enter their pin number and click process to complete the transaction. The member is then requested to pay the net amount show. Members can also request for other transactions e.g. Change of membership status, Change of home location etc BACKGROUND The database in each of the locations must be up to date considering a member has the right to walk into any of the cyber cafes countrywide. Having the databases up to date can either be done using the following options; 1. Each administrator at close of business copies the encrypted database and either emails it to the head office or delivers it by using a flash disk, next morning the administrator collects the flash disk from head office having the latest database. 2. The administrator generates the encrypted data file and emails it to head office who in return emails a current copy back to him to upload into the system after all administrators have sent in their files. This system should work independently of the internet connections as some locations dont have the internet connections. This is the core of the system required and your quote should include all the relevant database security options, access levels and reporting options and members registration details. Best Regards NICHOLAS NGINYA The important thing to recognize is that it takes a team, and the team ought to get credit for the wins and the losses. Successes have many fathers, failures have none. Philip Caldwell __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Answer Dialog Patch Available
Richard Gaskin wrote: Sarah Reichelt wrote: I haven't downloaded your patch yet to have a look, but is it still necessary? RunRev changed things in 2.6.0 so that the answer text wrapped, and this caused some problems with cut-off text. However as far as I can see, this was fixed in version 2.6.1 Are there still problems that I haven't encountered yet? However, the Rev text engine still does soft wraps on word breaks only, so it's possible to come up with long single-word strings that will evidence this in the answer dialog -- for example: answer abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvqxyza1b1c1d1e1f1g1h1i1j1k1l1m1n1o1p1q1r1s1t1u1v1w1x1y1z1 Sarah, It also exhibits itself using large text sizes in the answer dialog via htmltext. And, pathnames are especially hard to render in the unpatched Answer dialog. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?
I take exception to that!!! (okay, I see your point... I'm doing my small part, however, as is Devin I assume). Judy On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Dan Shafer wrote: 4. It's not taught at the university level. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Biometrics: In case you thought I was BSing...
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/7000/20051130/101501.htm Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Documented Cursor Bug...Please try.
I-beam the same as you beam. 2.6.1 build 152 [OSX 10.4.2, Mac G5 dual ] [OSX 10.3.9, G4 400 mHz ] Jim Ault Las Vegas On 11/30/05 8:38 PM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry Daniels and I spent about an hour today trying to create a very simple recipe to replicate the 'Cursor stuck on I-beam' phenomenon most of us see regularly. I've built cursor libraries in the past to fix this, but the latest Rev engine (Windows) goes bezerk with the hand cursor sometimes and ends up writing garbage all over the screen. So, I'm more determined to just get Rev to fix the engine. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?
I thought Rev was becoming very popular. Tom On Nov 30, 2005, at 8:50 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: What is the main reason (if there is such a thing) that Rev is not more popular among professional developers/programmers? It's been around awhile now. People have had a chance to hear about it. It has garnered some awards, at least on the Mac side. On the face of things you'd think it would be more popular. Just curious to hear what people think. Mark___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?
I think RunRev is not yet so mature (and maybe a little too expensive...) to be used in big company projects (not only to create beautiful electronic books, kiosks, etc...). On 12/1/05, Thomas McGrath III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought Rev was becoming very popular. Tom On Nov 30, 2005, at 8:50 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: What is the main reason (if there is such a thing) that Rev is not more popular among professional developers/programmers? It's been around awhile now. People have had a chance to hear about it. It has garnered some awards, at least on the Mac side. On the face of things you'd think it would be more popular. Just curious to hear what people think. Mark___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
