Re: Audio files won't play in 2.6.1

[Trevor DeVore]

On Dec 14, 2005, at 11:04 PM, Mathewson wrote:


Trevor Devore wrote:

"If you have QuickTime Pro then you can just save the mp3
as .mov
files.  This won't change your file size much.  This
technique I know
works."

are the resulting MOV files to be imported as videoClips or
audioClips?


Import as a videoClip.  An audioClip only supports a few uncompressed  
formats.  A videoClip uses a player object to play files.



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Blue Mango Multimedia
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Graphic Tools

[Mathewson]

I have just ported the MetaCard Paint Tools Stack into a
usable format for RR and unploaded it to the RRGRaphix
Group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RRgraphix/

ideally it should go into the plug-ins folder

go there, download it, try it out, and, PLEASE, vote on the
Poll.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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RE: [OT] free icons for your buttons

[Scott Kane]

Chipp,

Thanks for these. :-)

I notice some of your products have been submitted
and reviewed on some download sites.  Well done.
I'd recommend you try advertising in comp.software.shareware.announce
(I am the moderator for this and three other newsgroups in
that hierarchy) as they will have appeal to some of the authors
there.  Indeed anybody here is welcome to post an announcement
there for their software product.  RunRev should probably do the
same.  If for any reason you can't access these newsgroups please
feel free to let me know and I'll talk to your ISP.

The groups are:  comp.software.shareware.announce (announcements only)

comp.software.shareware.authors (discussion only, no announcements) and
comp.software.shareware.users (discussion only, no announcements)

Cheers

Scott


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Great Audio / Video tool --and free

[Thomas McCarthy]

If you need to batch convert a bunch of files from mp3 to .mov (as I recently 
did) YOU NEED THIS!

I haven't tried it for the video side of things, but it worked great for me so 
far--and you dont't need QuickTime Pro either!

requires QuickTime 7 and Mac OS 10.3.9
http://www.mikeash.com/?page=software/qtamateur/index.html

cheers,
tm

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Documentation "Show Menu"

[Sivakatirswami]

I wanted to investigate "audioclip" in depth  via the docs...

this  statement is mystifying:

" To see a list of messages that can be sent to an audio clip as a  
result of user actions or internal Revolution events, open the  
"Transcript Language Dictionary" page of the main Documentation  
window, and choose "Audio Clip Messages" from the Show menu at the  
top. To see a list of all the properties an audio clip can have,  
choose "Audio Clip Properties" from the Show menu."


I find myself unable to implement these instructions to determine the  
messages and props of an audio clip... there is no "show menu at the  
top" that I can see...


??? what am I missing?

Sivakatirswami

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Re: Documentation "Show Menu"

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Sivakatirswami,

You miss nothing :-)
Some features in current docs have not been updated since 2.2.x...
Choose the "Objects" pane in the docs, then the Audioclip section.

Best Regards from Paris,
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Le 15 déc. 05 à 09:22, Sivakatirswami a écrit :


I wanted to investigate "audioclip" in depth  via the docs...

this  statement is mystifying:

" To see a list of messages that can be sent to an audio clip as a  
result of user actions or internal Revolution events, open the  
"Transcript Language Dictionary" page of the main Documentation  
window, and choose "Audio Clip Messages" from the Show menu at the  
top. To see a list of all the properties an audio clip can have,  
choose "Audio Clip Properties" from the Show menu."


I find myself unable to implement these instructions to determine  
the messages and props of an audio clip... there is no "show menu  
at the top" that I can see...


??? what am I missing?

Sivakatirswami


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Re: How do I control a Java applet in my browser from Rev?

[Mark Smith]

Dennis, send me the HTML, and I'll see if I can make any sense of it...

Best,

Mark

On 15 Dec 2005, at 02:58, Dennis Brown wrote:


Mark, Tom, Jim, Terry, Xavier,

Thanks for all your suggestions.  I thought there was going to be a  
simple answer when I ask it.  The good news is that it appears to  
be in the realms of doablity.  The bad news is that I have avoided  
learning Applescript and Javascript until now.  Yet I am willing to  
at least put my big toe in the water if that is what it takes.


I am looking at the source HTML with some Javascript for the page  
in question right now.  I can see that the page source is created  
just for me, because it has URL's and passwords for me embedded  
into text constants.  It seems to have some interesting definitions  
in it that leads me to believe that the field I want to input to is  
accessible through the page source.  Since the page is full of URLs  
as to where to find things on the server, I figure it would break  
soon if I just took the script and changed the parts I want to.  I  
have hacked it to remove all the extraneous stuff like Ads, etc. to  
get the source down to readable size --a couple of pages --it even  
still sort of works.


I think if I could change the values of the following params that  
are in the Javascript, it might work:


  
  

I would just grab the HTML into a file and edit it on the fly, but  
reloading the page causes the script to take a long time to start  
up, and it does not save the chart settings --they all revert to  
startup defaults.  So my best bet is changing these parameters  
while it is running.


Am I on the right track here?

I could email the HTML source to someone if you would not mind  
taking a quick look at it to see if this approach is likely to  
work.  (I changed the password, but it still runs --just won't  
connect for the real quote data).


Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

A useful thing can also be to store your applescripts in custom  
properties, with place-holders for values and then:


put the myApplescript of me into tScript
replace  with  in tScript
do tScript as applescript


an example (including a bit of javaScript):

a custom property called jsSetAndGetAS contains:

set tScr to "
document.ResultSel.Day.selectedIndex = dd;
document.ResultSel.Month.selectedIndex = mm;
document.ResultSel.Year.selectedIndex = yy;
ResultsSubmit()"

tell application "Safari"
do JavaScript tScr in document 1
end tell

and then in my app I have

put the jsSetAndGetAS of me into tScript
replace "dd" with dayOfMonth() in tScript
replace "mm" with MonthNum() in tScript
replace "yy" with getYear() in tScript

do tScript as applescript


building applescripts in a rev script can get hard to read.

Cheers,

Mark

On 14 Dec 2005, at 23:25, Jim Ault wrote:


Dennis,   you said

I thought Safari would have been more scriptable.
There is a difference between 'recordable' and "scriptable' where  
Safari is
amazingly scriptable.  The key to your solution may be the  
following:


You might want to check the Applescript dictionary for Safari for
Do Javascript command
this will send a JavaScript command to the active browser window  
and active

tab in that window.  This could be a 'one-liner'.

A more complictated way is to use UI Elements (User Interface  
Elements)
which are quite resplendent in Safari.  You can even get the text  
string

that is in a static text piece in a java applet!

I have not done this myself, but this should be the framework  
plus a few

details..
Try along these lines:
Transcript code

open Safari, go url 'stock page', store the name of the window(or  
window ID)


build the javascript command
put "beginning chars "& \
quote & "quotedStr" & quote & \
" end  chars" into javaStrMadeInRev
-- done building the javascript command

put "tell app ""e&"Safari""e into cmd
--optional could be "activate window id "& theStockTickerID
--optional could be "activate window "& theStockTickerName
put cr & "do javascript "& quote & javaStrMadeInRev & quote after  
cmd

put cr & "end tell" after cmd
do cmd as applescript
put the result into answerFromSafariWhichShouldBeThePriceILike

HTH
Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 12/14/05 10:35 AM, "Dennis Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Tom,

I was surprised that it did not, but the docs says that it will not
do that.  If I clicked in the Finder areas, it only recorded that I
selcted the Finder.  It did not record anything when I clicked on
other applications.  I thought Safari would have been more  
scriptable.


Dennis

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Dennis,

The recording function -- Are you able to at least record a click
at the button location?

Tom

On Dec 14, 2005, at 1:00 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:


I also tried Automator and tried the recording function in
Applescript Studio, but no good.


Thomas J McGrath III
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Semantic Compaction Systems
SCIconics, LLC

Lazy River Metal Arts
Lazy R

Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Roger Guay wrote:

> Can you suggest a way to do the final scene with the snow falling?

Here's one way.  Execute the following in your message box (not a Web
browser):

  go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/flurry.rev";

This stack named "flurry" is based on the "blank line in a point list"
technique originally brought to light by Geoff Canyon.  The effect is
achieved using a single graphic object, whose points are set by script to
groups of points that represent each flake (with a space between each group
of points).  By varying the amount of vertical rate for each "flake", the
result is (on my end at least) a fairly realistic snowfall effect, all
created using a single polygon graphic.

One could also add a horizontal offset offset to the code to make the flakes
flutter randomly left and right.

The "snow" button will reset the snowfall randomly each time it is started.
By commenting out the buildSnow call in the mouseUp handler, you can pause &
resume the same snowfall.  Sliders are provided to achieve the effect you
want: gentle snowfall or heavy flurry.

There is some kind of intermittent bug that causes a random triangle to
appear every once in a while -- not sure where this comes from.  At first it
was annoying but it has now started to resemble lightning for me. :-)

Happy Holidays.

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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W: http://www.tactilemedia.com

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Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?

[Charles Hartman]

I agree. Email is a more convenient way to receive and browse  
information (hey, I don't have to do anything to get it) when there  
are 10 or 20 messages a day. A graph of recent activity on this list  
would look pretty steep. And though I think it has had some of the  
characteristics of a spike, I don't think it really is a spike.


And we have to go to the archives anyway to search by threads (though  
it doesn't cross month boundaries!).


Of course all this might mean I should unsubscribe from this list and  
remind myself daily to check the archives . . .


Charles Hartman


On Dec 14, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Rishi Viner wrote:



I agree wtih Dan and Greg,

A forum is a much better vehicle for building a community. I've  
participated on
a number of things, forum based and mailing list based, and the  
forum experience
wins hands down. These communities are so big they could not  
operate on a

mailing list format: http://forums.gentoo.org/
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forumlist.asp http://contribs.org/ 
modules/pbboard/


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[OT] Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev . . .

[Charles Hartman]

That complaint about Dylan, which has been around for 40 years, rests  
on several profound misunderstandings. First, of folk music, the  
medium in which Dylan began. Second, of  how art works and how  
artists work. (T. S. Eliot: "Bad poets borrow. Great poets steal."  
Every poem enters, and alters, a vast context of other poems.) Third,  
of how audiences work. In "Sweetheart Like You" he sings, "They say  
that patriotism is the last refuge / To which a scoundrel clings. /  
Steal a little and they throw you in jail, / Steal a lot and they  
make you king." The first half is lifted from Dr Johnson ("Patriotism  
is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Boswell, Life of Johnson, October  
18, 1769), and recognizing it gives complicated pleasure, because it  
sounds so odd in the mouth of that song's narrator. And the second  
half of Dylan's stanza? It's certainly nor original, but is he  
stealing it?





Charles Hartman


On Dec 15, 2005, at 12:20 AM, Judy Perry wrote:


It's been mentioned that Dylan has an, um, appropriation problem:

http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column95l4.html


Judy


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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Wouter]

Hi Scott,

A very nice stack as usual.
But it showed a problem on my slowbook (titanium 400 mhz) driven by  
mac osx.

The start and end values of the scrollbars are from high to low.
This forces the engine to set the thumbsize to -0.
When the showvalue of the scrollbars is true (indicated by the gray  
line formed by the "ticks")

 it will slow revolution down to an unresponsive condition.
On my rig the unaltered stack uses over 80 % of cpu time and it takes  
several seconds (10 - 15) for each "frame" to show.
The remedy is to reverse the start and endvalues of the scrollbars  
(from low to high) or turn off the showvalue.

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow...

Greetings,
W.

On 15 Dec 2005, at 13:18, Scott Rossi wrote:

-snip-



Here's one way.  Execute the following in your message box (not a Web
browser):

  go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/flurry.rev";


-snip-


There is some kind of intermittent bug that causes a random  
triangle to
appear every once in a while -- not sure where this comes from.  At  
first it

was annoying but it has now started to resemble lightning for me. :-)


to stop the lightning:

in the runFlurry handler comment out the following line:

 if tShift then
  repeat for each line L in tPoints
put L after tempSet
add -H to item 2 of line -1 of tempSet #if L <> "" then
put cr after tempSet
  end repeat
  --delete last char of tempSet   comment out
  put tempSet into tPoints
end if



Happy Holidays.

Scott Rossi

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Re: Graphic Tools

[Ken Ray]

On 12/15/05 3:12 AM, "Mathewson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have just ported the MetaCard Paint Tools Stack into a
> usable format for RR and unploaded it to the RRGRaphix
> Group:

Why would you do that? Is there something in the MC paint tools stack that
isn't available with Rev's paint tools?


Just curious...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: revdb error using record set (AltSQLite) -- Fixed

[David Vaughan]

My apologies to all.

The line "get revdb_query(gConn,"SELECT * FROM taxl")" was the  
default in a SWITCH statement. I discovered eventually that a cutely  
simple error on my part meant that one of the earlier CASE statements  
was being executed where I had expected them all to be bypassed.  
However, the search in that CASE returned no data, something for  
which I was not testing because I was trying to get the DEFAULT code  
working first! The rest of the errors flowed from there.


sorry
David

On 15/12/2005, at 13:35, David Vaughan wrote:

Using a licenced AltSQLite as the database, I created a record set  
and endeavoured to extract data using the following code (some  
error checking and other irrelevant pieces omitted from both  
fragments):


handler 1
  get revdb_query(gConn,"SELECT * FROM taxl")
  put it into p
  set the cursors of this stack to p
  get revdb_moveFirst(p)
  newRecDisplay

on newRecDisplay
  put the cursors of this stack into p
  put revdb_columncount(p) into k
  repeat with i = 1 to k
put revdb_columnByNumber(p,i) into field i
  end repeat

The code executes but at first put something like "revdberr,  
invalid column  number" into each field but now pretty consistently  
just crashes Rev.


The database is open and a few rows of data exist in it with three  
columns, fully populated, in each row. I can see that data using  
revdb_queryList() so one option is to switch away from using the  
cursor structure and just manage the returned data in variables  
myself. Before making that move, I would like to know if I have  
made a mistake in this code or have encountered a bug in the RR  
wrappers or in AltSQLite.


I added revdb_moveFirst() in the first handler, as a trial fix  
although I expect that the cursor would automatically be pointing  
to the first record.


thanks
David


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Re: Audio files won't play in 2.6.1

[Edgar Spees]

Trevor - Thanks so much for responding. I happened on the solution to my
problem a couple of days ago. The fix was very similar to what you
suggested. I simply had to add the suffix ".aif" to my audio files. Once
Rev. played 1 file with that suffix,  it must have reset itself or
something  because now it plays all my audio files even if  they don't
have the ".aif" suffix. Thanks again for responding. I've been a diehard
HyperCard user since 1989 and switched over to RunRev. in 2002. Wow! Do I
love this program.

Edgar Spees

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RE: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?

[Lynch, Jonathan]

I say just do it...

You can set it up such that you don't step on their toes. One of the
forums can be for this list, the rest of the forums can be more
specific. Participants can have the option, when they post a message to
one of the more specific forums, to have it automatically post to this
list.

Just be careful to avoid some sort of recursion problem where a posting
bounces back and forth.

Just my thoughts,

Jonathan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:26 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?

I have free access to some of the best forum software around and it
enables
mail-list mirroring and participation in the forum via email in both
directions. I've offered several times to mirror this list there but the
response has been non-existent. I've hesitated to set this uip even
though I
have the software, the bandwidth, the disk capacity and the desire
because:
(a) RunRev seems to take the position that they own this list; and (b)
without their permission, therefore, it seems ill-advised to mirror it
elsewhere.

On 12/14/05, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree with Dan Shafer in both of his opinions - the community is too
> small already and that a mailing list is the worst possible vehicle
for
> facilitating the Revolution Community at large.  A forum would provide
> for all of the possible areas of discussion by segregating the general
> topic categories, accordingly.  The mailing list requires reading
> through too much "quoted" material and too many "re: . . . ." topic
> headings.  It is a snap to find those topics you are particularly
> interested in reading about and responding to, using the forum format.
> I've got quite a bit of room on my service, and wouldn't mind
supplying
> the forum basics, since the "raw" forum format is provided by my web
> hosting service.  I'm not using it, so maybe the Revolution Community
> could benefit from this, instead.  The "moderators" could remain the
> moderators.  It would be an enormous convenience to me, a new
Revolution
> learner.
>
> I also strongly suggest refraining from using the "Yahoo Groups"
format,
> it is nowhere near as friendly as the "standard" kind.
>
> Let me know if I can help,
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Greg Smith
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Graphic Tools

[Mathewson]

Ken Ray wrote:

"Why would you do that? Is there something in the MC paint
tools stack that
isn't available with Rev's paint tools?"

No, there isn't something extra in the MC paint tools
stack,
however somebody passed a comment that the RR paint tools
were rather hard to access.

Now, being the lazy chap that I am, I couldn't be bothered
to spend ages hacking around with the "revTools" stack to
make the paint tools more accessible.

The best way forward seemed to 'port' the MetaCard paint
tools so that users could have a free-standing Paint Tools
Palette - perhaps accessible through the plug-ins folder.

Personally I never use the built-in paint tools - seeing
them as an evolutionary left-over from HyperCard - and use
external graphics-editing software such as the GIMP.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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Re: Graphic Tools

[Thomas McGrath III]

Strictly my opinion here:

It seems to me that Rev does not push or rather highlight it's  
drawing capabilities and as such they appear miniscule. If a software  
'hides' it's drawing tools, then that says something to a person  
looking to do graphics with it. By 'hides' I mean where all of the  
drawing capabilities are under a pop up and out of view (I know you  
can just click on the popup button but that's the point for me) then  
they loose their importance. Now if they are not that important than  
I doubt they will be upgraded or considered in newer versions. Out of  
sight, out of mind, as the saying goes. So, Richmond's recreation of  
the palette says something more. It says 'here I am' and 'don't  
forget about me' and as a graphic designer that holds hope for the  
future of graphics tools and upgrades to them in Rev, for me.


.02

Tom

On Dec 15, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Ken Ray wrote:


On 12/15/05 3:12 AM, "Mathewson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have just ported the MetaCard Paint Tools Stack into a
usable format for RR and unploaded it to the RRGRaphix
Group:


Why would you do that? Is there something in the MC paint tools  
stack that

isn't available with Rev's paint tools?


Just curious...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Semantic Compaction Systems
SCIconics, LLC

Lazy River Metal Arts
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Re: Newbie Question

[Devin Asay]

On Dec 14, 2005, at 4:24 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Devin,

My system seems to hang when I open the inspector to the tables  
popup. If I command period it releases and displays the table info  
correctly.


OSX 10.4 Rev 2.6.1

Has that happened to you at all?

Tom


No, I've not seen that happen here, same platform and version.
Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Graphic Tools

[Mathewson]

1. Just uploaded 4 images of 'StackWare' palettes for
comparison to the RRGraphix Group

( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RRgraphix/ )

2. In the light of Heather Nagey's RULING DECISION it seems
a bit odd that what she has RULED AGAINST continues here

there's a place to do it:

( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rev-biz/ )

3. I feel that, at present, RR's graphic tools are a bit
like the human appendix - left over from sometime else.
This topic should be discussed on the RRGraphix Group - not
here.

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Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)

[Bill Marriott]

I say, persuade RunRev to do it. That is where the forum belongs. They 
obviously have the web space to do this. I've asked the list manager 
(Heather) directly about it and I have not received an answer. I don't know 
why they choose not to respond on this. We've had dozens of posters beg for 
a true web-based forum. The request will not "go away" if ignored.

Benefits of a Rev-run, web-based forum:

1) Ability to categorize posts into boards (IDE, TranScript, Graphics, 
Databases, Mac/Win/Linux, Suggestions, etc.)

2) Ability for well-organized threads (threads are continually "split" in 
the mailing list)

3) Easier moderation. (Individual posts can be edited/deleted before they 
are sent out to all members)

4) Ability to skip boards/topics you are not interested in

5) No loss of functionality. (Most boards, including phpBB, offer two-way 
email support)

6) Ability to provide user profiles, avatars and links to homepages 
(obviating the need for long signatures)

7) Preventing "splintering" of the list by multiple "renegade" forums.

8) Additional functionality (screen shots, for example)

9) Existing web-based interfaces to the list are not as nice and do not 
offer the benefits above.

10) Easier for newcomers. (Every month there is someone who doesn't know how 
to use this mailing list and mis-posts)

Heather, this is a direct appeal for you to respond to this issue.

Bill

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Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
"I say just do it..."

Dan Shafer wrote:
"I have free access to some of the best forum software around and it
enables mail-list mirroring and participation in the forum via email in both
directions. I've offered several times to mirror this list there but the
response has been non-existent."

Greg Smith wrote:
"a mailing list is the worst possible vehicle for facilitating the 
Revolution Community at large."

Jerry Thomas wrote:
"I believe(with much experience behind it)that the user mailing list is a 
very poor way to assist users and that FORUMS are by far the better idea."

miscdas wrote:
"I vote with Jerry for a forum I've seen several designs
that are very good. There is no reason why a good one (with good design, UI,
etc.) couldn't be implemented for the Revolution community. This is,
afterall the 21st century people..."

Rob Beynon wrote:
"I wonder why this resource (use revolution) has not been presented using 
one of the many forum/bb software that seems to be everywhere else. With 
inbuilt search etc, it would be a lot better to use." 



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Re: Newbie Question (table in inspector)

[Malte Brill]

Confirmed Tom.

Recipe: Create a field. Switch to "Contents" in the inspector, change 
the text there, try switching to table.


I can´t remember if I filed a BZ on that one. I vaguely recall it, but 
might be wrong.


Latest Rev, Os X.2.8

All the best,

Malte

> My system seems to hang when I open the inspector to the tables
> popup. If I command period it releases and displays the table info
> correctly.
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Rev to SuperCard

[Preston Shea]

Has anyone experience with converting RunRev stacks created on WIN to SuperCard 
4 on Mac?
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Re: Rev to SuperCard

[Richard Gaskin]

Preston Shea wrote:
> Has anyone experience with converting RunRev stacks created
> on WIN to SuperCard 4 on Mac?

I've done many a conversion from SC to Rev to turn a Mac-only product 
into a multiplatform product, but never had a need to go the other way.


There are a few converters to help SC->Rev conversions, but I don't know 
if there's one to go from Rev to SC.


It may not be too hard to write one, or perhaps even simpler to rewrite 
from scratch to take optimal advantage of the difference in object models.


Since the Win version of the Rev project presumably runs under Win and 
there is an OS X-native engine available for Rev, mind if I ask what the 
advantage would be to rewriting the OS X version in an entirely 
different tool?


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Re: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)

[Richard Gaskin]

Bill Marriott wrote:
I say, persuade RunRev to do it. That is where the forum belongs. They 
obviously have the web space to do this. I've asked the list manager 
(Heather) directly about it and I have not received an answer. I don't know 
why they choose not to respond on this. We've had dozens of posters beg for 
a true web-based forum. The request will not "go away" if ignored.


Of that there is no doubt. ;)

Some prefer this email list, some prefer a forum, and there is little 
agreement over which is the Ultimate Communications Solution.


Fortunately current setup allows five ways to access this list, 
including two web forums:



It would seem we each have the opportunity to get what we want with what
we already have in place today.

You didn't mention how long it's been since you submitted your request, 
and I'm sure they have no shortage of email suggestions. Given the facts 
as presented, the conclusion that they've chosen not to reply to your 
email is conjecture.


It could just as well be that because you didn't get an immediate "no" 
they are considering adding a sixth or even seventh way to access this list.


Rather than make public assumptions of the bad behavior on their part, 
it would seem more productive to simply send a professionally-worded 
follow-up to ensure that your email was recieved and to encourage a 
reply at their earliest convenience.


Kevin recently indicated they're working around the clock to deliver 
some interesting new goodies.  It could be the case that his posted 
wasn't some Big Lie to provide plausible deniability for an internal 
policy of throwing incoming emails into the trash while they spend their 
days at the local pub.  It might simply be that they're busy, and at 
this exact moment the need for yet another interface to this discussion 
is not the single highest priority they face.


Heather's email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Graphic Tools

[Mark Smith]

But what kind of discussion of RunRevs drawing tools do you think  
might be said to be unrelated to using Revolution?


Mark

On 15 Dec 2005, at 15:48, Mathewson wrote:


1. Just uploaded 4 images of 'StackWare' palettes for
comparison to the RRGraphix Group

( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RRgraphix/ )

2. In the light of Heather Nagey's RULING DECISION it seems
a bit odd that what she has RULED AGAINST continues here

there's a place to do it:

( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rev-biz/ )

3. I feel that, at present, RR's graphic tools are a bit
like the human appendix - left over from sometime else.
This topic should be discussed on the RRGraphix Group - not
here.

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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Wouter wrote:

> The start and end values of the scrollbars are from high to low.
> This forces the engine to set the thumbsize to -0.
> When the showvalue of the scrollbars is true (indicated by the gray
> line formed by the "ticks")
> it will slow revolution down to an unresponsive condition.

Good to know, thanks.  What version of Rev is this?

 
>> There is some kind of intermittent bug that causes a random
>> triangle to
>> appear every once in a while -- not sure where this comes from.  At
>> first it
>> was annoying but it has now started to resemble lightning for me. :-)
> 
> to stop the lightning:

Thanks for the fix -- it's been added to the posted stack.
  
  go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/flurry.rev";

Do the modifications make it work correctly on your side?

Best Regards,

Scott Rossi
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Graphic Tools

[Mathewson]

I understood Heather Nagey's ruling to mean that the RR
Use-List was ONLY to be used to discuss CODE and HOW-TOs.

The RRGraphix Group that I started takes a rather broader
canvas (pun intended) - in that it can also be used to
suggest ways that the Graphic Capabilities of Runtime
Revolution may be expanded and improved on (constructive
criticism). 

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Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?

[Dennis Brown]

I also would be more than happy to participate in Dan's forum if it  
were set up --as long as it interacted with this list.  I really  
believe it is a much better solution that meets everybody's needs.


Dennis

On Dec 15, 2005, at 9:55 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:


I say just do it...

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Re: Recent Development on the Use-LIst

[Robert Brenstein]

To help in this debate, can I ask you all to specify how important 
Revolution is in your day job. Please indicate whether you spend 
most of the day developing RunRev-based applications or not. 
Requests for structuration and forums usually come from (1) 
newcommers (who don't want to have to ALL posts every published on 
the use-rev list) and (2) non commercial users who don't have 1-2 
hours a day to spend reading the posts on this list.


The idea is to find a solution that works for a large majority of 
persons. Not a solution that works for "you" as a single individual.


From operational side, forums mean a tad more effort for RR folks 
than a mailing list. On the other hand, they could allow guest forums 
for certain Rev extensions/plugins.


Robert
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Items in a group

[Peter T. Evensen]

I've been searching the documentation.  I'm sure this is an easy one, but 
how do I get the items that are in a group?  I can't find that in the 
documentation anywhere.  I want to iterate through each item in my group 
and do something with it.


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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Mark Wieder]

Scott-

Thursday, December 15, 2005, 4:18:02 AM, you wrote:

> There is some kind of intermittent bug that causes a random triangle to
> appear every once in a while -- not sure where this comes from.

Bermuda?

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Re: Graphic Tools

[Mark Smith]

Of course, we're all free to create whatever lists and forums we  
want, but I see no indication in Heathers message to suggest that  
what you have in mind would be inapropriate for this list. That's why  
I asked. It just seems that it would be a shame to find that people  
hoping to find thngs out about Revs graphics facilities had to go  
hunting around because that subject matter had migrated to another  
place


Mark


Dear list members,

This is a list for discussing how to use revolution. It has always  
been a list specifically for this purpose. The bigger the list has  
got, and the larger the number of members, the more important it  
becomes to stick to this topic, because off topic posts annoy ever  
larger numbers of people.


It is a moderated list, and always has been. Historically, this  
list has needed very little moderation. I've only ever banned two  
people, both for things which were completely unacceptable  
(advocating piracy and foul language). Obviously the people on this  
list are not automatons who do nothing but program, and from time  
to time opinions will be expressed on various matters, but by and  
large they have been expressed amicably, and kept sufficiently  
short that no real action is needed.


I'm beginning to feel that the list needs more active moderation.  
For whatever reason, the spirit of the list appears to be rather  
scratchy at the moment, and the signal to noise ratio is dropping.


If you want to discuss politics, religion, how to run a business or  
how not to run a business, free speech, or any other topic that is  
not directly in keeping with the clearly stated aim of this list,  
please take it elsewhere. Otherwise I am going to start putting  
people on moderation, so that the rest of the group can continue to  
use the list for what it is intended for.


Warm Regards,

Heather


On 15 Dec 2005, at 17:10, Mathewson wrote:


I understood Heather Nagey's ruling to mean that the RR
Use-List was ONLY to be used to discuss CODE and HOW-TOs.

The RRGraphix Group that I started takes a rather broader
canvas (pun intended) - in that it can also be used to
suggest ways that the Graphic Capabilities of Runtime
Revolution may be expanded and improved on (constructive
criticism).

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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Dennis Brown]

Scott,

This is really cool.  Great job!  Thanks for showing up that ecard  
Flash snow with your Rev snow.


And thanks to Wouter for making it work on my Mac G5 running OS X  
10.4 with the latest DreamCard.


Dennis

On Dec 15, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:


go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/flurry.rev";

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Re: Items in a group

[Klaus Major]

Hi Peter,

I've been searching the documentation.  I'm sure this is an easy  
one, but how do I get the items that are in a group?  I can't find  
that in the documentation anywhere.  I want to iterate through each  
item in my group and do something with it.


The magic word is "controls" :-)

...
repeat with i = 1 to the num of controls of grp 1
   ## do something to control i of grp 1
end repeat
...

Hope that helps.


Thanks!

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Re: Rev to SuperCard

[Stephen Barncard]

WHy on earth would you want to do that?? Isn't that ... going backwards?


Has anyone experience with converting RunRev stacks created on WIN 
to SuperCard 4 on Mac?

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Re: Items in a group

[Björnke von Gierke]

On Dec 15 2005, at 18:41, Klaus Major wrote:


   ## do something to control i of grp 1


that poor control, what has it done to you that you wish such harm unto 
it?

*shakes head in disappointment*

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Re: Items in a group

[Mark Schonewille]

Peter,

Here are two scripts that return a list of names or ID numbers 
of all controls in a group. Put these scripts in the stack 
script or in the stack script of a stack in use.

(Mind line wraps).

getProp objects
  repeat with x = 1 to number of controls of the target
put the name of control x of the target & return after myList
  end repeat
  return myList
end objects

getProp objectIDs
  repeat with x = 1 to number of controls of the target
put the id of control x of the target & return after myList
  end repeat
  return myList
end objectIDs

Usage:

put the objects of group "My Group"
put the objectIDs of group "My Group"



Peter T. Evensen wrote:
I've been searching the documentation.  I'm sure this is an easy one, 
but how do I get the items that are in a group?  I can't find that in 
the documentation anywhere.  I want to iterate through each item in my 
group and do something with it.


Thanks!


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Re: Items in a group

[Klaus Major]

Hi Björnke,


On Dec 15 2005, at 18:41, Klaus Major wrote:


   ## do something to control i of grp 1
that poor control, what has it done to you that you wish such harm  
unto it?

*shakes head in disappointment*


One can do something GOOD to that control, you know?
It's all in the eye of the beholder! :-)

So why assume the worst?

And please add a smiley or two to posts like this, old mizer :-D


Best

Klaus Major
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P.S.
Just in case this is something personal between the control and me i  
just can tell you:

Mind your own business, brother!

:-)

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Re: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)

[Bill Marriott]

Richard,

No one's accusing anyone of bad behavior.

It's simply a fact: The suggestions to move this to a web forum have been 
occurring for months and months, by many many posters. It keeps coming up, 
the thread keeps going, it dies down, and resurfaces.

There has never been an official reply to this topic.

As for the "five different ways" to access the list, some are definite 
improvements (I've stated this about the gmane NNTP feed many times), 
however none can hold a candle to an official Rev-hosted phpBB-, vBulletin-, 
etc-based forum.

In fact, I hope people aren't thinking that something like these kludges is 
what is being recommended. Because if you actually try them they're not 
really offering much. They are basically taking the list and dumping it on 
to a web page. They do not offer categories, or any of the other benefits I 
listed. We are *not* getting what we want with those alternative sources.

As for the people who prefer email, it has been pointed out many times that 
the leading BBS systems offer email subscriptions as well. Therefore, there 
is no loss of functionality for them.

A phpBB (for example) forum set up and administered by RunRev would be a 
Cadillac compared to the Schwinn bike offered by those alternatives.

Bill




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Re: Graphic Tools

[Dennis Brown]

I agree with Mark on this one.

A forum might be indicated for graphics simply because graphics are  
very visual and screen shots might be helpful to a discussion  
(another shameless plug for forums).  However, I took Heather's  
remarks to be that lengthly (and negative) discussions unrelated to  
"using" Rev should be taken somewhere else --especially the kind that  
get peoples tempers and frustrations up.


Dennis

On Dec 15, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

Of course, we're all free to create whatever lists and forums we  
want, but I see no indication in Heathers message to suggest that  
what you have in mind would be inapropriate for this list. That's  
why I asked. It just seems that it would be a shame to find that  
people hoping to find thngs out about Revs graphics facilities had  
to go hunting around because that subject matter had migrated to  
another place


Mark


Dear list members,

This is a list for discussing how to use revolution. It has always  
been a list specifically for this purpose. The bigger the list has  
got, and the larger the number of members, the more important it  
becomes to stick to this topic, because off topic posts annoy ever  
larger numbers of people.


It is a moderated list, and always has been. Historically, this  
list has needed very little moderation. I've only ever banned two  
people, both for things which were completely unacceptable  
(advocating piracy and foul language). Obviously the people on  
this list are not automatons who do nothing but program, and from  
time to time opinions will be expressed on various matters, but by  
and large they have been expressed amicably, and kept sufficiently  
short that no real action is needed.


I'm beginning to feel that the list needs more active moderation.  
For whatever reason, the spirit of the list appears to be rather  
scratchy at the moment, and the signal to noise ratio is dropping.


If you want to discuss politics, religion, how to run a business  
or how not to run a business, free speech, or any other topic that  
is not directly in keeping with the clearly stated aim of this  
list, please take it elsewhere. Otherwise I am going to start  
putting people on moderation, so that the rest of the group can  
continue to use the list for what it is intended for.


Warm Regards,

Heather


On 15 Dec 2005, at 17:10, Mathewson wrote:


I understood Heather Nagey's ruling to mean that the RR
Use-List was ONLY to be used to discuss CODE and HOW-TOs.

The RRGraphix Group that I started takes a rather broader
canvas (pun intended) - in that it can also be used to
suggest ways that the Graphic Capabilities of Runtime
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criticism).

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Re: Items in a group

[Peter T. Evensen]

Klaus,

You are correct, "controls" was the magic word I was missing.  I finally 
tried "images" which is what I had in the group, and that worked 
too.Seems like this should be documented in the Group Topics section.


It's easy, once you know it, but find it...

Thanks!

At 11:41 AM 12/15/2005, you wrote:

Hi Peter,


I've been searching the documentation.  I'm sure this is an easy
one, but how do I get the items that are in a group?  I can't find
that in the documentation anywhere.  I want to iterate through each
item in my group and do something with it.


The magic word is "controls" :-)

...
repeat with i = 1 to the num of controls of grp 1
   ## do something to control i of grp 1
end repeat
...

Hope that helps.


Thanks!

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
24-hour recorded info hotline: 1-800-624-7671


Regards

Klaus Major
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RE: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?

[Lynch, Jonathan]

Setting up a forum just isn't that hard. For a wiz like Dan, it should
be a snap.

That gmane interface is fine - but it isn't really like having a proper
forum set up, with all the different categories and subcategories.

So, um... go Dan!

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis
Brown
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:21 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?

I also would be more than happy to participate in Dan's forum if it  
were set up --as long as it interacted with this list.  I really  
believe it is a much better solution that meets everybody's needs.

Dennis

On Dec 15, 2005, at 9:55 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:

> I say just do it...
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Re: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)

[Björnke von Gierke]

On Dec 15 2005, at 18:44, Bill Marriott wrote:

A phpBB (for example) forum set up and administered by RunRev would be 
a

Cadillac compared to the Schwinn bike offered by those alternatives.


I concur with this, but never found the right words to put it.

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Re: Rev to SuperCard

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Preston,

I ported a Revolution project to SuperCard, a year ago. The 
original project was a HyperCard stack, which I ported to 
Revolution, first. By leaving most of the original HyperTalk 
scripts unchanged, I was able to port the project from Rev to SC 
rather quickly.


The approach was to create the interface in SuperCard from 
scratch. Next, I copied all scripts from the Revolution project 
to the SuperCard project. I tested the scripts and made a small 
number of minor changed to get them to work. I believe I left 
all scripts that didn't involve fields or buttons unchanged.


It was easy, because the original project had been a HyperCard 
stack. If your stack contains many Revolution-specific features, 
such as menu groups, tab buttons and combo boxes, including 
scripts handling events sent by these controls, it will be 
slightly more difficult to do the job, because you will have to 
rewrite the scripts.


Eventually, it appeared that I was unable to make an exact copy 
of the Revolution interface in SuperCard. The differences were 
minor and true Mac addicts may even prefer the SuperCard version.


Based on my experience, I'd say that creating the new project 
from scratch while copying scripts where possible, is the 
easiest and quickest way to do the conversion.


Best,

Mark


Preston Shea wrote:
Has anyone experience with converting RunRev stacks created on WIN to SuperCard 4 on Mac? 


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RE: Items in a group

[MisterX]

to get the members of a group, here's an easy way

put the long name of group x into thisgroup
put the number of groups in grp x into thisgroupgroups

repeat with x = 1 to thisgroupgroups
  get the long name of grp x of thisgroup
  put it & cr after thegrouplist
end repeat
delete last char of thegrouplist


there you have the group list ;)

cheers
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Björnke von Gierke
> Sent: Thursday, 15 December, 2005 18:44
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Items in a group
> 
> 
> On Dec 15 2005, at 18:41, Klaus Major wrote:
> 
> >## do something to control i of grp 1
> 
> that poor control, what has it done to you that you wish such 
> harm unto it?
> *shakes head in disappointment*
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Re: Graphic Tools

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi all,

In French we are used to say that tastes and colors... (we never  
finish this phrase :-)


I think you can distinguish mainly 2 kinds of developers (with all  
flavours between):


. Those who come from HC and were used to use graphics HC features  
only (or mainly): for these and newcomers too, it's right that  
emphasise the current graphics tools, a specific palette for instance  
with a magnifying glass, would be fine.
. Others, as me, who never use the built-in graphics Rev tools,  
preferring more powerful dedicated tools as Photoshop and others...  
who would be satisfied if a preference could allow to display a  
specific graphics palette or not at startup :-)


It's always the same debate :-)

Best Regards from Paris,
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RE: Items in a group

[Lynch, Jonathan]

We could write an automated inquisition function...

Put TortureMercilessly(control tMyControl of group tMyGroup) into field 
"tortured confession"

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Klaus Major
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:51 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Items in a group

Hi Björnke,

> On Dec 15 2005, at 18:41, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>>## do something to control i of grp 1
> that poor control, what has it done to you that you wish such harm  
> unto it?
> *shakes head in disappointment*

One can do something GOOD to that control, you know?
It's all in the eye of the beholder! :-)

So why assume the worst?

And please add a smiley or two to posts like this, old mizer :-D


Best

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de


P.S.
Just in case this is something personal between the control and me i  
just can tell you:
Mind your own business, brother!

:-)

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Re: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)

[Klaus Major]

Hi all,


Am 15.12.2005 um 18:44 schrieb Bill Marriott:



Richard,

No one's accusing anyone of bad behavior.

It's simply a fact: The suggestions to move this to a web forum  
have been
occurring for months and months, by many many posters. It keeps  
coming up,

the thread keeps going, it dies down, and resurfaces.

There has never been an official reply to this topic.

As for the "five different ways" to access the list, some are definite
improvements (I've stated this about the gmane NNTP feed many times),
however none can hold a candle to an official Rev-hosted phpBB-,  
vBulletin-,

etc-based forum.

In fact, I hope people aren't thinking that something like these  
kludges is
what is being recommended. Because if you actually try them they're  
not
really offering much. They are basically taking the list and  
dumping it on
to a web page. They do not offer categories, or any of the other  
benefits I
listed. We are *not* getting what we want with those alternative  
sources.


As for the people who prefer email, it has been pointed out many  
times that
the leading BBS systems offer email subscriptions as well.  
Therefore, there

is no loss of functionality for them.

A phpBB (for example) forum set up and administered by RunRev would  
be a

Cadillac compared to the Schwinn bike offered by those alternatives.


there is an english (and finnish :-) forum available for about almost  
3 years,

but with extremely low traffic over the last years...

http://www.esashi.org/yabb/YaBB.pl


Bill


Regards

Klaus Major
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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Graham SAMUEL]

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:02:01 +0100, Wouter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

A very nice stack as usual.
But it showed a problem on my slowbook (titanium 400 mhz) driven by
mac osx.
The start and end values of the scrollbars are from high to low.
This forces the engine to set the thumbsize to -0.
When the showvalue of the scrollbars is true (indicated by the gray
line formed by the "ticks")
  it will slow revolution down to an unresponsive condition.
On my rig the unaltered stack uses over 80 % of cpu time and it takes
several seconds (10 - 15) for each "frame" to show.
The remedy is to reverse the start and endvalues of the scrollbars
(from low to high) or turn off the showvalue.
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow...

Funny, it works fine on my B&W G3/400 which shouldn't be any faster than 
Wouter's PowerBook. I'm running Tiger (10.4.3). It uses up to 60% of cpu time 
which I admit isn't exactly 
normal. I wonder how it will go on the Mac mini which I'm hoping against hope 
that Santa will bring me...

Graham



Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



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Hand me the soft cushion! WAS: Items in a group

[Klaus Major]

Hi Jonathan,

Am 15.12.2005 um 19:07 schrieb Lynch, Jonathan:


We could write an automated inquisition function...
Put TortureMercilessly(control tMyControl of group tMyGroup) into  
field "tortured confession"


I didn't exspect the spanish inquisition.

NOONE exspects the spanish inquisition!
The three main weapons... etc... :-D


Best

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RE: Graphic Tools

[Lynch, Jonathan]

Well, but see...

If Dan had a proper Forum, then one of the subcategories could be
graphics. It'd be right easy to follow. You could subscribe to interact
with just that subcategory by Email, if that is all you care about, or
you could subscribe to the whole board by email.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Smith
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:33 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Graphic Tools

Of course, we're all free to create whatever lists and forums we  
want, but I see no indication in Heathers message to suggest that  
what you have in mind would be inapropriate for this list. That's why  
I asked. It just seems that it would be a shame to find that people  
hoping to find thngs out about Revs graphics facilities had to go  
hunting around because that subject matter had migrated to another  
place

Mark

> Dear list members,
>
> This is a list for discussing how to use revolution. It has always  
> been a list specifically for this purpose. The bigger the list has  
> got, and the larger the number of members, the more important it  
> becomes to stick to this topic, because off topic posts annoy ever  
> larger numbers of people.
>
> It is a moderated list, and always has been. Historically, this  
> list has needed very little moderation. I've only ever banned two  
> people, both for things which were completely unacceptable  
> (advocating piracy and foul language). Obviously the people on this  
> list are not automatons who do nothing but program, and from time  
> to time opinions will be expressed on various matters, but by and  
> large they have been expressed amicably, and kept sufficiently  
> short that no real action is needed.
>
> I'm beginning to feel that the list needs more active moderation.  
> For whatever reason, the spirit of the list appears to be rather  
> scratchy at the moment, and the signal to noise ratio is dropping.
>
> If you want to discuss politics, religion, how to run a business or  
> how not to run a business, free speech, or any other topic that is  
> not directly in keeping with the clearly stated aim of this list,  
> please take it elsewhere. Otherwise I am going to start putting  
> people on moderation, so that the rest of the group can continue to  
> use the list for what it is intended for.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Heather

On 15 Dec 2005, at 17:10, Mathewson wrote:

> I understood Heather Nagey's ruling to mean that the RR
> Use-List was ONLY to be used to discuss CODE and HOW-TOs.
>
> The RRGraphix Group that I started takes a rather broader
> canvas (pun intended) - in that it can also be used to
> suggest ways that the Graphic Capabilities of Runtime
> Revolution may be expanded and improved on (constructive
> criticism).
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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tree widget

[Preston Shea]

Does anyone know where I can copy a tree widget that uses the revXML library?
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Re: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)

[Björnke von Gierke]

On Dec 15 2005, at 19:17, Klaus Major wrote:

A phpBB (for example) forum set up and administered by RunRev would 
be a

Cadillac compared to the Schwinn bike offered by those alternatives.


there is an english (and finnish :-) forum available for about almost 
3 years,

but with extremely low traffic over the last years...

http://www.esashi.org/yabb/YaBB.pl


You are missing a key part in that sentence:
administered by RunRev
Any forum without the direct support from RR is currently cursed to 
fail or live a miserable life, unless it can attract users from other 
platforms/themes (like www.revolutionboard.de which has other scripting 
languages)
In addition even a forum directly supported by RR will have a hard 
time, as all the hard timers are mail list... aficionados.
I suspect we would have a higher newbie to pro ratio on a web board 
only, with one or two of the listers gone forever. Even though one 
might not think this to be a good thing at first, its actually very 
beneficial to RR, as that would increase the visibility and marketshare 
of rev, at the loss of some tutors, of which RR has many.


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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Wouter]

On 15 Dec 2005, at 18:17, Scott Rossi wrote:

-snip-


Good to know, thanks.  What version of Rev is this?


RR 2.1.6
Tested for this problem (slowdown by thumbsize 0 or start - end value  
descending order) down to RR 2.1

All problematic on slower macs (depending also on the graphics card).

-snip-


Thanks for the fix -- it's been added to the posted stack.

  go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/flurry.rev";

Do the modifications make it work correctly on your side?


Yes, works fine




Best Regards,

Scott Rossi


Happy snowing,
Wouter

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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Thomas McGrath III]

Hey, It's now snowing on my computer!!! Fantastic..


Thanks for this.

Tom


On Dec 15, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:


go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/flurry.rev";


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Re: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)

[Klaus Major]

Am 15.12.2005 um 19:51 schrieb Björnke von Gierke:


On Dec 15 2005, at 19:17, Klaus Major wrote:

A phpBB (for example) forum set up and administered by RunRev  
would be a

Cadillac compared to the Schwinn bike offered by those alternatives.


there is an english (and finnish :-) forum available for about  
almost 3 years,

but with extremely low traffic over the last years...

http://www.esashi.org/yabb/YaBB.pl


You are missing a key part in that sentence:
administered by RunRev


Oops, yes, sorry.


Best

Klaus Major
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Re: tree widget

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Preston,

You will not have any answer to this question: copy does not allow to  
learn :-)
Download  the "Resources Picker "plugin from my website and search in  
the different sections for "tree":

You will find all you need to build your "own" solution :-)

Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet
 
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Le 15 déc. 05 à 19:33, Preston Shea a écrit :

Does anyone know where I can copy a tree widget that uses the  
revXML library?


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Re: Hand me the soft cushion! WAS: Items in a group

[Gordon Webster]

Klaus
  
  I think you mean "THE COMFY CHAIR!" (No no, not the comfy chair!)
  
  Gordon
  

Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Hi Jonathan,

Am 15.12.2005 um 19:07 schrieb Lynch, Jonathan:

> We could write an automated inquisition function...
> Put TortureMercilessly(control tMyControl of group tMyGroup) into  
> field "tortured confession"

I didn't exspect the spanish inquisition.

NOONE exspects the spanish inquisition!
The three main weapons... etc... :-D


Best

Klaus Major
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Re: Hand me the soft cushion! WAS: Items in a group

[Klaus Major]

Hi Gordon,


Klaus

  I think you mean "THE COMFY CHAIR!" (No no, not the comfy chair!)


ah, yes, of course :-)
Have to watch the series again soon!


  Gordon


Best

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Re: Graphic Tools

[Ken Ray]

On 12/15/05 8:55 AM, "Mathewson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No, there isn't something extra in the MC paint tools
> stack,
> however somebody passed a comment that the RR paint tools
> were rather hard to access.
> 
> Now, being the lazy chap that I am, I couldn't be bothered
> to spend ages hacking around with the "revTools" stack to
> make the paint tools more accessible.

They're right there at the bottom of the tools palette - not hard to access
at all!! If they are collapsed, click the upward-pointing gray triangle in
the bottom-right corner of the tools palette, and voila!

Couldn't be much easier, IMHO...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: Graphic Tools

[Ken Ray]

On 12/15/05 9:08 AM, "Thomas McGrath III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Strictly my opinion here:
> 
> It seems to me that Rev does not push or rather highlight it's
> drawing capabilities and as such they appear miniscule. If a software
> 'hides' it's drawing tools, then that says something to a person
> looking to do graphics with it. By 'hides' I mean where all of the
> drawing capabilities are under a pop up and out of view (I know you
> can just click on the popup button but that's the point for me) then
> they loose their importance. Now if they are not that important than
> I doubt they will be upgraded or considered in newer versions. Out of
> sight, out of mind, as the saying goes. So, Richmond's recreation of
> the palette says something more. It says 'here I am' and 'don't
> forget about me' and as a graphic designer that holds hope for the
> future of graphics tools and upgrades to them in Rev, for me.

I agree with part of what you said, but disagree with most (sorry). :-)

When building application interfaces, it is more likely you'll need buttons,
fields, scrollbars, tab buttons, etc. than you'll need graphic rectangles,
polygons and paint tools. So the choice to "hide" them is more for screen
real-estate issues than that they are in some way ashamed of them.

And making the MC paint tools a plugin means that a person won't
automatically see it without them having to take the trouble to install the
plugin, and set the stack to automatically open. Might be easier to just
tell the Tools palette to automatically open expanded through a plugin...

Just my 2 cents,

Ken Ray
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Re: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)

[Jeffrey Reynolds]

I for one think the list works just fine. I use rev a fair amount and 
find it useful as is, newbie questions, flame wars, and all. the digest 
mode allows a quick scan of stuff and tracking threads I am interested 
in is no real problem for me at least. I understand the benefits of 
forums, but for my use of rev this list (and the metacard list before 
that) has done me fine going on probably 9 years now. I actually pickup 
part way into threads when scanning the digest list that i would not 
see in the forum mode. As Richard pointed out the forum interfaces for 
the current list posts looks to work well if you want a forum front end 
on it. Newbies, focused, or casual could always approach the list from 
one of these interfaces to see only responses to their threads.


sorry to be the curmudgeon, but prefer keeping things the same for now, 
i dont think its really broken, so dont go trying to fix it...


Also have to add in light of the flame wars of late that metacard/rev 
has been the best supported product by both the companies that have 
owned/distributed it and by the list group here. I realize this support 
level has set expectations high for rev, and I think we tend to get a 
bit spoiled sometimes and try to push the bar a bit too high for them. 
compare rev support with most of the big and little software 
vendors/products out there and you will see. go have a problem with an 
adobe or macromedia product, have fun... I think we need to step back a 
second hear and take a deep breath and see whats reasonable and easy to 
do since disrupting this list which, IMHO, works very well for now. I 
think the recent events have just gotten folks a bit riled and not 
really been a systemic problem that needs a fixin'. Yes things can 
always be better, but at some point the effort goes up exponentially to 
make improvements and the risk of mucking up things that were working 
fine at an acceptable level goes way up.


one final comment on the flame wars of recent, i have seen this happen 
on a number of different lists in the last year. I have been using 
lists for like 25 years now since grad school when we were doing them 
on darpa net accounts and flame wars have always erupted. But in the 
last year its been much more unruly on a number of different lists 
(from professional to hobby) that i have been on for a long while. I'm 
not quite sure what is causing this behavior all of a sudden. I hope it 
is not a shift in society going online and not behaving as they would 
if you were talking face to face. On some lists i have seen folks say 
things or in ways or with words that would cause an instant poke in the 
nose by many people if said to their faces.


any how, finally just had to put my 1.5 cents into the bowl...

cheers,

jeff reynolds

On Dec 15, 2005, at 11:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



I say, persuade RunRev to do it. That is where the forum belongs. They
obviously have the web space to do this. I've asked the list manager
(Heather) directly about it and I have not received an answer. I don't 
know
why they choose not to respond on this. We've had dozens of posters 
beg for

a true web-based forum. The request will not "go away" if ignored.

Benefits of a Rev-run, web-based forum:

1) Ability to categorize posts into boards (IDE, TranScript, Graphics,
Databases, Mac/Win/Linux, Suggestions, etc.)

2) Ability for well-organized threads (threads are continually "split" 
in

the mailing list)

3) Easier moderation. (Individual posts can be edited/deleted before 
they

are sent out to all members)

4) Ability to skip boards/topics you are not interested in

5) No loss of functionality. (Most boards, including phpBB, offer 
two-way

email support)

6) Ability to provide user profiles, avatars and links to homepages
(obviating the need for long signatures)

7) Preventing "splintering" of the list by multiple "renegade" forums.

8) Additional functionality (screen shots, for example)

9) Existing web-based interfaces to the list are not as nice and do not
offer the benefits above.

10) Easier for newcomers. (Every month there is someone who doesn't 
know how

to use this mailing list and mis-posts)


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Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?

[Sivakatirswami]

FWIW: www.ExpertsExchange.cm is a fantastic resource... requires paid  
membership, but it's model is marvelous, it's categorization of  
issues along the lines of both programs as well as program "areas" is  
so well done.


I can have a thread going under CSS and another one under XML and a  
third one running under Apache, and a 4th one under CGI, and a 5th  
one under Mac sys admin with experts in each area working on my  
queries etc. but still see all my "open questions" in one fell swoop.


at the risk of further "bifurcation" should Rev ever become "open  
source" enough (there are tech areas on EE for "proprietary" software  
like Photoshop, which have become so all pervasive as to be virtually  
"open source" in terms of usage...) to gain recognition for an area  
on ExpertsExchange, it would be major publicity bump for Rev.   
ExpertsExchange has 3,460,759 IT professional Members


www.expertsexchange.com

If our great sages of xTalk were to propose category areas like they  
have at EE, but just for Rev only, inside a new forum, this would be  
a big leap forward.


rev-multi-media; rev-database; rev-crunching text; rev-working with  
Fields;


etc.





On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Rishi Viner wrote:

Mailing lists are OK when you are passing through 10 messages a  
day, but this
thing is just not practical. Come on rev, let Dan mirror your list  
and make you

the moderators of the new forum. You could even brand it.


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(no subject)

[Mathewson]

1. I liked the separate Paint Tools palette in RR 2.0.1 -

just seen a "bad case" of disclosure triangles on the
SuperCard Trial - not to my taste . . .

Um, Taste (quod degustibus diputandem est?)

2. I am being even more hypocritical than usual by
discussing these matters HERE having set up a Grpahics
forum -

HOWEVER - I like the RR use-list 'warts and all' - But it
seems that H. Nagey and the other folks at RR (the company)
don't like 'warts' on their list. This might be taken as a
negative sign in its own right.

If a landlord is absent for many years and his/her property
is occupied by tenants that she/he invited in don't they
acquire certain rights over it, 'by habit and repute' as we
say in SCOTLAND ! "SQUATTER'S RIGHTS" and all that?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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Re: tree widget

[Ken Ray]

On 12/15/05 12:33 PM, "Preston Shea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can copy a tree widget that uses the revXML library?

Sure, it was provided with Rev 2.2.1 and later dropped from other releases;
I'll send it to you off-list.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: Graphic Tools

[Ken Ray]

On 12/15/05 2:32 PM, "Ken Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And making the MC paint tools a plugin means that a person won't
> automatically see it without them having to take the trouble to install the
> plugin, and set the stack to automatically open. Might be easier to just
> tell the Tools palette to automatically open expanded through a plugin...

Turns out it's only one line of code:

  send mouseUp to btn "paint and draw" of stack "revTools"

There you go!

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Sons of Thunder Software
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Re: tree widget

[Eric Chatonet]

Still available in the Rev unsupported stacks package at http:// 
support.runrev.com/resources/unsupported.php


Best Regards from Paris,
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Le 15 déc. 05 à 22:07, Ken Ray a écrit :

On 12/15/05 12:33 PM, "Preston Shea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


Does anyone know where I can copy a tree widget that uses the  
revXML library?


Sure, it was provided with Rev 2.2.1 and later dropped from other  
releases;

I'll send it to you off-list.


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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Dennis Brown wrote:

> This is really cool.

No pun intended, right?  :-)


> Thanks for showing up that ecard Flash snow with your Rev snow.

Well, I don't know if shows up Flash, but thanks for the kind words.

And at the risk of being naughty, I went and updated the stack (yet again)
so it now lets you play with all the parameters of the script using sliders:
fall rate, snow density, and delay.  This way you can play with (and fine
tune) the effect on you system.  You can have fun bringing your system to a
crawl:

  go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/flurry.rev";

BTW, if you resize the stack larger and adjust the snow density, the script
will fill the entire rect of the stack with flakes.  A scalable snowstorm
for you...

Happy Holidays,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-
E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com

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Re: (no subject)

[Mark Smith]

You seem to suggest that RR is both too neglectful of the list and,  
at the same time, too strict in it's moderation of same.


I don't understand.

Mark



On 15 Dec 2005, at 20:47, Mathewson wrote:


1. I liked the separate Paint Tools palette in RR 2.0.1 -

just seen a "bad case" of disclosure triangles on the
SuperCard Trial - not to my taste . . .

Um, Taste (quod degustibus diputandem est?)

2. I am being even more hypocritical than usual by
discussing these matters HERE having set up a Grpahics
forum -

HOWEVER - I like the RR use-list 'warts and all' - But it
seems that H. Nagey and the other folks at RR (the company)
don't like 'warts' on their list. This might be taken as a
negative sign in its own right.

If a landlord is absent for many years and his/her property
is occupied by tenants that she/he invited in don't they
acquire certain rights over it, 'by habit and repute' as we
say in SCOTLAND ! "SQUATTER'S RIGHTS" and all that?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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Re: Recent Development on the Use-LIst

[Sarah Reichelt]

> To help in this debate, can I ask you all to specify how important
> Revolution is in your day job. Please indicate whether you spend most
> of the day developing RunRev-based applications or not. Requests for
> structuration and forums usually come from (1) newcommers (who don't
> want to have to ALL posts every published on the use-rev list) and
> (2) non commercial users who don't have 1-2 hours a day to spend
> reading the posts on this list.
>

Rev is crucial to me. I spend about 50% of my day job developing in
Rev and I also do consulting after hours. I prefer the more passive
model of having everything arrive in my InBox. Then I can filter it
and respond if I have the time, or leave it a few days if I don't. I
do not see myself having the time or patience to troll through
multiple groups or forums.

FWIW,
Sarah
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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Scott,

This last version (? :-) is a step more towards perfection:
A mix of arts and scientific demonstration...
Happy holidays too.

Best from Paris,
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Le 15 déc. 05 à 22:25, Scott Rossi a écrit :

And at the risk of being naughty, I went and updated the stack (yet  
again)
so it now lets you play with all the parameters of the script using  
sliders:
fall rate, snow density, and delay.  This way you can play with  
(and fine
tune) the effect on you system.  You can have fun bringing your  
system to a

crawl:

  go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/flurry.rev";

BTW, if you resize the stack larger and adjust the snow density,  
the script
will fill the entire rect of the stack with flakes.  A scalable  
snowstorm

for you...

Happy Holidays,


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RE: Recent Development on the Use-LIst

[Lynch, Jonathan]

Well, but if the forum is set up properly, then you would not have to
troll through multiple anything...

If you select an option to receive all postings by email, then you need
never visit the forum.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sarah
Reichelt
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:35 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Recent Development on the Use-LIst

> To help in this debate, can I ask you all to specify how important
> Revolution is in your day job. Please indicate whether you spend most
> of the day developing RunRev-based applications or not. Requests for
> structuration and forums usually come from (1) newcommers (who don't
> want to have to ALL posts every published on the use-rev list) and
> (2) non commercial users who don't have 1-2 hours a day to spend
> reading the posts on this list.
>

Rev is crucial to me. I spend about 50% of my day job developing in
Rev and I also do consulting after hours. I prefer the more passive
model of having everything arrive in my InBox. Then I can filter it
and respond if I have the time, or leave it a few days if I don't. I
do not see myself having the time or patience to troll through
multiple groups or forums.

FWIW,
Sarah
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Forums & off topic posts

[Kevin Miller]

Hi Everyone,

There are some major site revisions planned for January and user forums are
among them.  We've been quiet because we've been trying to get some other
engineering pieces worked out just now, but now several list users have
contacted us with complaints about the level of noise that has nothing to do
with using Revolution.

I ask the following:

Be patient about the forums request.  They are planned and coming.  We will
be talking about them by mid January.  There will be some off-topic support
there.

Please end the threads on the off topic areas.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools

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Re: Recent Development on the Use-LIst

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Marielle,

Revolution is 50% of my time.
Other languages: 20%
Graphics tools: 20%
Excel, Word and others: 10%
May I add 15% for web surfing and 15% more for reading and answering  
this list.

I know: it's more than 100% but we have not two lives :-)

I receive all mails on-the-fly: Mail Appetizer (on Mac OS X) allows  
me to get an idea while working and answer immediately when I can..  
and believe that I know the answer :-)


Best Regards from Paris,
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Le 14 déc. 05 à 17:27, Marielle Lange a écrit :

To help in this debate, can I ask you all to specify how important  
Revolution is in your day job. Please indicate whether you spend  
most of the day developing RunRev-based applications or not.  
Requests for structuration and forums usually come from (1)  
newcommers (who don't want to have to ALL posts every published on  
the use-rev list) and (2) non commercial users who don't have 1-2  
hours a day to spend reading the posts on this list.


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RE: Forums & off topic posts

[Lynch, Jonathan]

Heh...

I guess they are listening...

Thanks Kevin.


So, um...

Can we have 3-D objects?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin
Miller
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:51 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Forums & off topic posts

Hi Everyone,

There are some major site revisions planned for January and user forums
are
among them.  We've been quiet because we've been trying to get some
other
engineering pieces worked out just now, but now several list users have
contacted us with complaints about the level of noise that has nothing
to do
with using Revolution.

I ask the following:

Be patient about the forums request.  They are planned and coming.  We
will
be talking about them by mid January.  There will be some off-topic
support
there.

Please end the threads on the off topic areas.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/
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[OT]Re: Graphic Tools

[Chipp Walters]

Mathewson wrote:


3. I feel that, at present, RR's graphic tools are a bit
like the human appendix - left over from sometime else.
This topic should be discussed on the RRGraphix Group - not
here.


Richmond, This comment itself is Off Topic, (where are the OFF TOPIC 
police when you really need them?)


Please don't talk about that. I just had mine removed on Monday. 
Wait...I suppose mentioning my appendectomy is Off Topic too. Damn!


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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Roger Guay]

Fantastic work, as usual, Scott!  Thanks very much.

Cheers, Roger


On Dec 15, 2005, at 1:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Message: 16
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:25:10 -0800
From: Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools
To: How to use Revolution 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Recently, Dennis Brown wrote:


This is really cool.


No pun intended, right?  :-)



Thanks for showing up that ecard Flash snow with your Rev snow.


Well, I don't know if shows up Flash, but thanks for the kind words.

And at the risk of being naughty, I went and updated the stack (yet  
again)
so it now lets you play with all the parameters of the script using  
sliders:
fall rate, snow density, and delay.  This way you can play with  
(and fine
tune) the effect on you system.  You can have fun bringing your  
system to a

crawl:

  go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/flurry.rev";

BTW, if you resize the stack larger and adjust the snow density,  
the script
will fill the entire rect of the stack with flakes.  A scalable  
snowstorm

for you...

Happy Holidays,

Scott Rossi


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Re: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)

[Dan Shafer]

I do not believe that a forum approach that both mirrors this list *and*
provides a place for discussions that need to take place but that have been
ruled inappropriate for this place needs to be RR-sponsored. In fact, such a
forum, particularly if it had the participation of a few of the key veterans
around here, could be a better place to hang out in many ways.

I'm not even sure that mirroring this list is an important feature. Need to
think about that some more.

But I guess having a discussion about whether to have a forum is probably
off topic, so I'll go back into my hidey-hole now.

Dan
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RE: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)

[Lynch, Jonathan]

Hi Dan,

Well, from Kevin's note it sounds like RunRev is going to step up to the
plate on this.

If it doesn't happen for any reason, or if the result is not
satisfactory for us, then I'll be the first to ask you to make it
happen.

I have faith in RR though - I think they will make it work.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:17 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)

I do not believe that a forum approach that both mirrors this list *and*
provides a place for discussions that need to take place but that have
been
ruled inappropriate for this place needs to be RR-sponsored. In fact,
such a
forum, particularly if it had the participation of a few of the key
veterans
around here, could be a better place to hang out in many ways.

I'm not even sure that mirroring this list is an important feature. Need
to
think about that some more.

But I guess having a discussion about whether to have a forum is
probably
off topic, so I'll go back into my hidey-hole now.

Dan
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Re: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)

[Dan Shafer]

I hope they do. THis is not the first time this has been promised, but I
know how that goes at a small company where priority-juggling is an Olympic
sport.

On 12/15/05, Lynch, Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> Well, from Kevin's note it sounds like RunRev is going to step up to the
> plate on this.
>
> If it doesn't happen for any reason, or if the result is not
> satisfactory for us, then I'll be the first to ask you to make it
> happen.
>
> I have faith in RR though - I think they will make it work.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:17 PM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)
>
> I do not believe that a forum approach that both mirrors this list *and*
> provides a place for discussions that need to take place but that have
> been
> ruled inappropriate for this place needs to be RR-sponsored. In fact,
> such a
> forum, particularly if it had the participation of a few of the key
> veterans
> around here, could be a better place to hang out in many ways.
>
> I'm not even sure that mirroring this list is an important feature. Need
> to
> think about that some more.
>
> But I guess having a discussion about whether to have a forum is
> probably
> off topic, so I'll go back into my hidey-hole now.
>
> Dan
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Re: Graphic Tools

[Thomas McGrath III]

Ken,

This is my point. They are not treated as too important in Rev at  
all. If the rest of the tools were under a pop-up eventually you  
might get tired of having to always click the pop up to get to them,  
but if they were out in a prominent place to get used more than they  
might get updated more.
I am a graphic designer who programs but most on this list are  
programmers who design. A while back I was trying to get support for  
more graphic capabilities to be put into Rev but not many were  
interested at all. In fact I got a lot of "Why do you need that?"  
responses. It's a frame of mind, I think. I for one would like to see  
a bigger easier to access palette for all graphics capabilities. If  
you use the polygon tool and access the options for it in the tools  
palette they are very very tiny and not easy to access at all.  
Selecting a color for the different tools is not very intuitive and  
distinguishing which of them do what is not simple either.


.02

Tom

On Dec 15, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Ken Ray wrote:



They're right there at the bottom of the tools palette - not hard  
to access
at all!! If they are collapsed, click the upward-pointing gray  
triangle in

the bottom-right corner of the tools palette, and voila!

Couldn't be much easier, IMHO...






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Re: Forums & off topic posts

[Bill Marriott]

Thank you very much Kevin. Your post was very helpful. 



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Re: Com Port Data Errors

[Camm29]

I changed it a bit and the speeds great.
I checked for valid length and ending with > , if not send again

Thanks for making me think 
Camm

- Original Message -
From: "Sarah Reichelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "How to use Revolution" 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: Com Port Data Errors


> Everything is the same ,hardware and comm settings.
> The command sent does not really matter ,
> for example i used "AT00" which returns ERROR then CR AND LF and then the
> character >
>
> This is the correct response but i can't seem to get Rev to send , receive
> and wait for the > character then repeat without it getting missed sends.
>
> if i put a delay before resending of >= 1 second it works fine.(It should
be
> able to repeat in around 100ms , command send,receive and wait for >)
> I may be missing something but what would be the fastest solution
>

What sequence are you following?
I would send then keep reading the serial port and send again as soon
as I had received the >
That way you are not making any assumptions about the send of
transmission or the response time of a particular modem.

Here is what I tested: I sent the first "AT00" and set gIndex to 0.
Then the handler that reads the data called this routine every time it
received anything.

on checkData pRec
global gIndex
if pRec contains "ERROR" then
add 1 to gIndex
if gIndex < 10 then
put the label of btn "Port" into thePort
write "AT0" & gIndex & numToChar(13) to driver thePort
end if
end if
end checkData

I don't get your ">" so I used ERROR as the trigger. This loops
through 10 times sending "AT00", "AT01" etc etc. It doesn't miss any
of them and the whole thing takes about 100 ticks, for 10 writes &
reads.

HTH,
Sarah
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Re: Graphic Tools

[Thomas McGrath III]

Ken,

I just responded to your other email, so this is short. ;-)

It's ok that you don't fully agree, I know I am in a minority here.  
You see I build "Graphical" User Interfaces and most here build  
application interfaces. Most are happy to have a nice looking field  
to enter database queries in and a simple button that looks like it  
belongs in the interface, that is as far as their graphic interests  
go. Not mine though.


I would rather see a bigger palette then that tiny one at the bottom  
of the tools palette. And I didn't really think they were ashamed of  
it but rather they didn't see it as too important, like most on the  
list don't, is all. ;-)


I for one would love to see greater and greater graphics capabilities  
in Rev. (Think Widgets) - ;-) grin


Thanks for the response,

Tom

On Dec 15, 2005, at 3:32 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

I agree with part of what you said, but disagree with most  
(sorry). :-)


When building application interfaces, it is more likely you'll need  
buttons,
fields, scrollbars, tab buttons, etc. than you'll need graphic  
rectangles,
polygons and paint tools. So the choice to "hide" them is more for  
screen

real-estate issues than that they are in some way ashamed of them.

And making the MC paint tools a plugin means that a person won't
automatically see it without them having to take the trouble to  
install the
plugin, and set the stack to automatically open. Might be easier to  
just
tell the Tools palette to automatically open expanded through a  
plugin...


Just my 2 cents,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Recent Development on the Use-LIst

[David Vaughan]

On or before 16/12/2005, at 7:58, various people wrote in relation to  
the old question of forum vs mailing list.


After a few years on the RunRev Use and Improve lists I switched to  
digest mode which cleaned my mailbox a bit but took away the ability  
to see messages in a timely manner. A few months ago I observed that  
there were so many new users asking and answering questions that I  
had no great need (or perhaps ability) to contribute and nothing to  
ask for myself at the time. I considered this a triumph for Rev,  
evidence of both a growing user base and increasing sophistication  
rather than it formerly being a mix of the deeply knowledgeable and  
the deeply inexperienced.


This week, tackling an SQL database for the first time, I had need of  
assistance (although the problem naturally proved to be my own) and  
was impressed to see Chris Bohnert and Mark Wieder both take the  
trouble to test my code and respond very helpfully. I have no fears  
for the constructive quality of the readership and contributions. It  
was also a bit of a homecoming, to see (for example) Klaus and  
Richmond being their very different selves.


So, to the actual topic here which is the medium for the discussions.  
On one of the occasions this debate ran a few years ago, I found the  
mailing list format easy to manage and use and agreed that it was  
preferable to forum software. The content was not very voluminous  
then. In the past 6-12 months I have spent much of my time on another  
list, on a wholly unrelated topic, using forum software. It employs  
Discus which is reputed by some to be not the greatest piece of forum  
software. Despite that supposed disadvantage, I find it to be vastly  
superior to the mailing list in every significant respect with key  
gains in responsiveness, coherence and time management.


The notion, recently expressed by one highly respected member here,  
that a forum obliges trolling material or does not allow casual  
integration of list review with other work, is probably born of a  
lack of knowledge of the alternative. These are precisely the  
problems I find in a mailing list whereas a forum simplifies and  
expedites working with the list.


Firstly, topics are broadly categorised based on input from the  
users. Secondly, a single button brings up in tree format every post  
made since you yourself last checked, and no others. Additional to  
the topic/thread categorisation, the hierarchy gives you crucial  
information on author and the first line of content. Using a tabbed  
browser you quickly pick out the items of interest and review or  
respond to them. Timeliness is superior because you manage the  
material in bulk when you wish to without waiting for a digest to  
turn up or alternatively being bombarded with irrelevant messages. If  
you wish to trace material there is a powerful built-in search  
facility. You can also immerse yourself in a topic or thread from the  
start for learning purposes, and having learned will most probably  
use the Posts ["since I last checked"] feature. You can use basic web  
text styling for clarification without tripping over mail reader  
limitations and easily add diagrams or pictures (size and density  
restricted) where relevant. It also facilitates creation of  
informative user profiles, although in the forums I use I do prefer  
the one which excludes signature lines within the post (additional to  
author identification in the left column) as completely useless clutter.


I guess these advantages have all been discussed before, but I wish  
to emphasise their superiority in my practical experience. No-one  
expects everyone to favour a change but from what I am reading at  
least some of the pro-mail-list group are going to be pleasantly  
surprised when the inevitable change occurs. Whether RunRev manages a  
forum of its own, blesses an existing forum, or abandons the whole  
thing to the market is something on which I choose not to have an  
opinion at the moment but I agree that one of the alternatives they  
are doubtlessly considering needs to be taken up.


Sorry about the length of post. Perhaps I have indulged myself in  
compensation for having been away for a while.


cheers
David
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[OT: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)]

[Dennis Brown]

Dan,

I know what you mean.  I have run several small companies in my life,  
and staying focused on the highest priorities is always a challenge.   
I have also managed technical groups in very large companies.  Guess  
what?  Unless the company is VERY well run, it is even harder.  It  
takes 2-4 times as many people to get the same job done because you  
can't stick to your priorities when the big bosses keep changing your  
mind for you.


Right now, I am almost in tears because of all the great things I  
would like to do in many different creative areas of my life, but  
there is only one of me :-(


I suspect that many of the people on this list are in this same boat  
(being the creative/inventive sort).  That may be why it is so  
difficult to get enough critical mass together to get some of these  
documentation/forum type projects off the ground.  So many good  
ideas, but only enough resources to do one of them --which one to  
support?...


Undisputed leadership is required to rally the critical mass.

If RunRev would lead in a direction (that we like), most will support  
that as the priority project.


In the mean time we vacillate waiting for someone to lead by making a  
big personal investment in something that is given away for free.  Of  
course there is no guarantee that the needed critical mass of  
followers will agree with the direction.  Then the effort is  
disappointingly wasted...


Now if there was the possibility of a big personal gain, that might  
make it worth taking a chance on --but where is the gain?  Perhaps it  
is in there somewhere for someone.


RunRev has something to gain, but then again, they could reap almost  
all the benefits even if someone else got it started.  Maybe that is  
what they are waiting for...


FWIW

Dennis


On Dec 15, 2005, at 6:23 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

I hope they do. THis is not the first time this has been promised,  
but I
know how that goes at a small company where priority-juggling is an  
Olympic

sport.


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Re: [OT: Heather: It's time for a Forum. (And an answer!)]

[Dennis Brown]

I just read Kevin's post.  I can shut up a wait a month more...

Dennis

On Dec 15, 2005, at 7:23 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Dan,

I know what you mean.  I have run several small companies in my  
life, and staying focused on the highest priorities is always a  
challenge.  I have also managed technical groups in very large  
companies.  Guess what?  Unless the company is VERY well run, it is  
even harder.  It takes 2-4 times as many people to get the same job  
done because you can't stick to your priorities when the big bosses  
keep changing your mind for you.


Right now, I am almost in tears because of all the great things I  
would like to do in many different creative areas of my life, but  
there is only one of me :-(


I suspect that many of the people on this list are in this same  
boat (being the creative/inventive sort).  That may be why it is so  
difficult to get enough critical mass together to get some of these  
documentation/forum type projects off the ground.  So many good  
ideas, but only enough resources to do one of them --which one to  
support?...


Undisputed leadership is required to rally the critical mass.

If RunRev would lead in a direction (that we like), most will  
support that as the priority project.


In the mean time we vacillate waiting for someone to lead by making  
a big personal investment in something that is given away for  
free.  Of course there is no guarantee that the needed critical  
mass of followers will agree with the direction.  Then the effort  
is disappointingly wasted...


Now if there was the possibility of a big personal gain, that might  
make it worth taking a chance on --but where is the gain?  Perhaps  
it is in there somewhere for someone.


RunRev has something to gain, but then again, they could reap  
almost all the benefits even if someone else got it started.  Maybe  
that is what they are waiting for...


FWIW

Dennis


On Dec 15, 2005, at 6:23 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

I hope they do. THis is not the first time this has been promised,  
but I
know how that goes at a small company where priority-juggling is  
an Olympic

sport.


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Re: Recent Development on the Use-LIst

[Thomas McGrath III]

Hi all,

Revolution is from 15% to 35% during high times of projects (trying  
to fill that gap now)

Other languages: 5% (Flash/MM Director)
Graphics tools: 60% (Photoshop, Illustrator, Freehand, Painter)
Word: 5%
Powerpoint: 45%
RevList: 5%
Research/Web: 15%

Also, more than 100% but I work 18 + hours a day most days.

Tom

On Dec 15, 2005, at 4:52 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Hi Marielle,

Revolution is 50% of my time.
Other languages: 20%
Graphics tools: 20%
Excel, Word and others: 10%
May I add 15% for web surfing and 15% more for reading and  
answering this list.

I know: it's more than 100% but we have not two lives :-)

I receive all mails on-the-fly: Mail Appetizer (on Mac OS X) allows  
me to get an idea while working and answer immediately when I can..  
and believe that I know the answer :-)


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Re: Audio won't play in Revolution 2.6.1

[Jim Carwardine]

I couldn't play the Christmas e-Card sound in Mac OS 10.3... Jim

on 12/7/05 2:54 PM, Edgar Spees wrote:

> I'm thinking there is a
> problem playing audio on a Mac using system 10.4.2 or 10.4.3 in runrev
> 2.6.1 Thanks again for getting back.

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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Jim Hurley]

This this is snowballing.

go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/flurryAndSnowball.rev";

We're getting there.

Jim

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Re: Christmas e-cards as learning tools

[Jim Ault]

> This this is snowballing.
And now for the intricate math feature that allows the user to set the time
to fill the screen as the snow deposits, rises... thus a snow timer that
adjusts the rate of fall & buildup to reach the top at the desired elapsed
time... entitled "It's Snow Time"

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 12/15/05 6:09 PM, "Jim Hurley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This this is snowballing.
> 
>  go stack url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/flurryAndSnowball.rev";
> 
> We're getting there.
> 
> Jim
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219 - Please try again later

[George Brackett]

I'm writing a school application that uses a mySQl database via the  
lib.Bmm.Database library, which has worked smoothly as a substack.  I  
just added as an additional substack the library libSmtp253 so I can  
email reports to students.  The new stack works just fine in the  
Revolution development environment, but any standalone I've built  
since I added the SMTP capability generates a dialog on entry that  
reports "219 Please try again later."  This dialog appears at the  
point of the first database access.


The message is coming from the engine, if my search is correct.  I've  
located some discussion of similar problems on the Use Revolution  
list in 2004, which mentioned a workaround for splash screen startup  
stacks (which I'm not using) and a possible engine problem with  
database access when there are more than two substacks.  (Heeding  
this, I eliminated a simple substack I was using in addition.)  I've  
tried various ways of creating the standalone by specifying  
inclusions or letting RunRev decide.  I removed and carefully re- 
installed the two libraries following instructions from Eric Chatonet  
in Scripter's Scrapbook.  All to no avail.


Has anyone else encountered a similar problem?  Am I doing something  
wrong, or is there some workaround I haven't found?  I would  
appreciate ANY advice, since my faculty needs this app and I'm stuck.


Thanks,
George 
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Re: sort dateTime problem

[Timothy Miller]

From: Jim Ault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sort dateTime problem
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user
Date: 2005-12-15 04:48:31 GMT (20 hours and 30 minutes ago)

Works here...
sort lines of cd field "schedule.2" datetime by item 2 of each

What is the itemDel set to just before this step?
Are there any delimiters in what seems to be item 1?
Is there any reason the short date is not valid?
(eg 13/4/04 does not exist)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 12/14/05 4:53 PM, "Timothy Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

 One line of a script I'm working on goes:

 sort lines of cd field "schedule.2" datetime by item 2 of each.

 Each line has four items. Item 2 consists of dates in short date
 format, e.g., 12/2/04.

 All 2005 dates come up in correct sequence, from earliest to latest.
 However, after sorting, 2004 dates *follow* 2005 dates, instead of
 preceding them. That is not a correct sort.

 Am I doing something wrong?



Hey, Jim, thanks.

If it works on your machine, I suppose I'm doing something wrong. Hmmm...

I just did quite a bit of haphazard troubleshooting. I isolated the 
problem. The short dates are all preceded by a spacebar character. If 
I remove the spacebar characters, the sort works correctly. This is 
easily reproduced. It doesn't seem to matter whether items, lines or 
words are being sorted.


I don't know about dates or times in other formats. I don't know 
about more than one spacebar character. I didn't check.


Further testing shows that, in the problem script, converting a short 
date to seconds, if the short date is preceded by a spacebar 
character, produces a negative number. If the original date is in 
year 2005, the negative seconds covert back to a date in 1950 or so.


More testing:

If I use a simple script in button or msg box, then converting 
"4/19/05" to seconds produces the same value as converting 
"4/19/05" to seconds.


OTOH, if a script with a repeat loop converts several words, items, 
or lines, one at a time, from short date to seconds, a leading 
spacebar character in the short date produces incorrect results.


That doesn't seem right, does it? Okay, I'll reproduce it more 
carefully, just to be sure.


Yup, I reproduced it.

This seems like a flaw in the way Rev interprets certain dates, under 
certain circumstances.


Comments?

Cheers,


Tim
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Re: 219 - Please try again later

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 12/16/05, George Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm writing a school application that uses a mySQl database via the
> lib.Bmm.Database library, which has worked smoothly as a substack.  I
> just added as an additional substack the library libSmtp253 so I can
> email reports to students.  The new stack works just fine in the
> Revolution development environment, but any standalone I've built
> since I added the SMTP capability generates a dialog on entry that
> reports "219 Please try again later."  This dialog appears at the
> point of the first database access.
>

Are you sure it isn't a message from the SMTP server?
I can't actually find any mention of code 219 in the info I have, but
2 means the command has completed, 1 means it's sending some
human-readable information and the 9 would be error-specific.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Recent Development on the Use-LIst

[Sarah Reichelt]

 > The notion, recently expressed by one highly respected member here,
> that a forum obliges trolling material or does not allow casual
> integration of list review with other work, is probably born of a
> lack of knowledge of the alternative. These are precisely the
> problems I find in a mailing list whereas a forum simplifies and
> expedites working with the list.
>

Since I was the one who mentioned "trolling", I'll take it this refers
to me, although the "highly-respected" bit would have my nearest &
dearest ROTFL :-)

I admit that I am not familiar with using forums (fora?). I don't like
Yahoo groups and I had a look at the Nabble & Gmane mirrors of this
list and didn't find them as convenient to use as my current preferred
method which is gmail.

However, I am willing to give it a try if RunRev sets up a forum. If
it doesn't suit me, I can always chage the settings so it emails me
all the posts anyway, so I certainly have no problem with the idea.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: [OT] Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev . . .

[Judy Perry]

I agree with you, FWIW.  I very nearly posted the Dylan/Boswell passages
but decided not to.

Judy

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Charles Hartman wrote:

> 
> 
>
> That complaint about Dylan, which has been around for 40 years, rests
> on several profound misunderstandings. First, of folk music, the
> medium in which Dylan began. Second, of  how art works and how
> artists work. (T. S. Eliot: "Bad poets borrow. Great poets steal."
> Every poem enters, and alters, a vast context of other poems.) Third,
> of how audiences work. In "Sweetheart Like You" he sings, "They say
> that patriotism is the last refuge / To which a scoundrel clings. /
> Steal a little and they throw you in jail, / Steal a lot and they
> make you king." The first half is lifted from Dr Johnson ("Patriotism
> is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Boswell, Life of Johnson, October
> 18, 1769), and recognizing it gives complicated pleasure, because it
> sounds so odd in the mouth of that song's narrator. And the second
> half of Dylan's stanza? It's certainly nor original, but is he
> stealing it?
>
> 
> 

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Re: Audio won't play in Revolution 2.6.1

[Sivakatirswami]

I'm playing sound files just fine in Rev. I point to external files  
though... both .aiff and .mp3, using a little "audio player"  
widget...i.e. I never import into stacks...I find it much easier to  
manager large libraries as external files (and we have some very  
large audio libraries... 2000 plus)


skts


On Dec 07, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Edgar Spees wrote:


Devin -

Thanks for getting back. No, these are not compressed files.  
They're sound

files I've used many times in version 1.1.1 I imported them into to a
stack and played them using the play command.  play "myAudio"
I work for a school district in Wisconsin and our computer guy and  
I have

been working on this problem now for 2 days. I'm thinking there is a
problem playing audio on a Mac using system 10.4.2 or 10.4.3 in runrev
2.6.1 Thanks again for getting back.

Ed

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image export

[Rick Rice]

	I know I've seen the answer to this before, in fact recently, but I 
can't find the answer now.
	How do you export an image from a card to the clipboard so I can paste 
it into an image edit app.

Thanks
Rick

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Re: Documentation "Show Menu"

[Sivakatirswami]

Thanks! what a find (smile)  a lot of treasure in the docs, if know  
how to dig.



On Dec 15, 2005, at 12:10 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Some features in current docs have not been updated since 2.2.x...
Choose the "Objects" pane in the docs, then the Audioclip section.


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Chunking, Array's and I've lost my mind...

[David Coker]

Hi folks,
In the best tradition of newbie's everywhere, I'm stuck without the
benefit of an "AhHa!" moment... Basically, I'm pleading for help.

I'm trying to iterate through the contents of a text field (of varied
length), acting on each character. As my script below shows, I can get
the first character with no problems and have got the "Do something
with it" part working like it should. Just can't figure out how to do
the same for each remaining character in the field.

on mouseUp
  repeat for the number of chars in field "Phrase"
get the first char of field "Phrase"
put it into tCurrentLetter

--Do something with it---

  get the next char of field "Phrase" <<-- Problem starts here

  end repeat
end mouseUp

All giggling aside from the more experienced folks out there (got my
eye on ya), I could use a little a boost here, please. :)

-Dave-
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