RE: can someone show me a CRM solution

[Scott Kane]

> Okay, you can say that I am officially amazed :D
> 
> You know, you should take grabs of all those stuff, create 
> slide show  
> and we can have a silent session at RevConWest called "watch and  
> wonder"... We can throw in some Jerry Daniels interfaces and Scott  
> Rossi marvels, then, after, we could create a military scale  
> extraction plan to remove you guys from the building before people  
> started asking "How on earth can those things be done"

It'd be great if more people on the list could show off screenshots
of what they've achieved in Rev.  I mean - we know, now, that Ken's
doing some cool things, and we know Chipp is a past master of
great looking Windows GUI's.  But it'd be nice to see what other
people have achieved too.  Could be rather insperational.

Scott

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Not connecting to MySQL 5

[Kay C Lan]

OSX.4.5
Rev 2.6.1
MySQL 5.0.18 Standard
connect via localhost

Just upgraded MySQL from 4 to 5, which was a bit of a drag because the
download wasn't the usual install package (.dmg) but expanded out to a
normal folder filled with all the goodies. Took a while to figure out what I
had to do to move the folder where it needed to go.

Anyway, eventually got eveything up and running, I can start MySQL the usual
way using the Prefence Pane. I can connect to all my data using CocoaMySQL -
which confirms that MySQL 5.0.18 standard is running.

Unfortunately my stacks don't work. The result of:

put revOpenDatabase("MySQL",,"dbname","dbusr","usrpassword") into
gDatabaseID

is "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server;
consider upgrading MySQL client"

The above function appears in an openstack handler after a bunch of other
stuff happens, but even if I just run the funcion in the message box I get
the same result.

Is Rev 2.6.1 incompatible with MySQL 5?

I checked revzilla and I didn't see anything there.

I notice also that Ken Ray was asking about MySQL 5 - did you eventually
upgrade to 5 and is it working for you?

Any advice appreciated.
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Re: Not connecting to MySQL 5

[Martin Baxter]

You need to use a login account whose password is in OLD_PASSWORD 
format. Rev can't do the newer format. See MySQL docs for info in the 
problems and common errors section.


Martin

Kay C Lan wrote:

OSX.4.5
Rev 2.6.1
MySQL 5.0.18 Standard
connect via localhost

Just upgraded MySQL from 4 to 5, which was a bit of a drag because the
download wasn't the usual install package (.dmg) but expanded out to a
normal folder filled with all the goodies. Took a while to figure out what I
had to do to move the folder where it needed to go.

Anyway, eventually got eveything up and running, I can start MySQL the usual
way using the Prefence Pane. I can connect to all my data using CocoaMySQL -
which confirms that MySQL 5.0.18 standard is running.

Unfortunately my stacks don't work. The result of:

put revOpenDatabase("MySQL",,"dbname","dbusr","usrpassword") into
gDatabaseID

is "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server;
consider upgrading MySQL client"

The above function appears in an openstack handler after a bunch of other
stuff happens, but even if I just run the funcion in the message box I get
the same result.

Is Rev 2.6.1 incompatible with MySQL 5?

I checked revzilla and I didn't see anything there.

I notice also that Ken Ray was asking about MySQL 5 - did you eventually
upgrade to 5 and is it working for you?

Any advice appreciated.
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Re: Best source for examples

[Steven Fernandez]

I was in your shoes and Dan's book was a great start.


On 3/8/06, Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Andy
>
> Welcome to the Revolution!
>
> At the risk of being accused of shameless self-promotion (OK, it *is*
> shameless self-promotion), you might benefit by reading my book,
> "REvolution: Software at the Speed of Thought," available through Shafer
> Media Store at http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html in both PDF
> and printed form.
>
> The other suggestions folks have made here are valuable as well.
>
>
> On 2/27/06, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone point me to some resources, examples etc for Rev? I'm new to
> it
> > (i.e. last Friday), and being a PHP programmer, I'm still trying to get
> my
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RE: Best source for examples

[Andy Calloway]

Just bought it and printing it out now.

I've been sat here with RunRev on my laptop having the odd play with it and
not really doing anything serious so as it's lunchtime I think it's time to
have a go!

Andy.

> -Original Message-
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> I was in your shoes and Dan's book was a great start.
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Can anyone explain me how to shorten the code I use?

[William de Smet]

Hi there,
I've picked up Rev today after a while and started a new app.
I noticed how it amused me again but there is still one thing I don't
understand: I have repeating code and I don't know how to shorten it.
In my app I will use 25 fields and they need to be checked:
--field "naam1"
if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "1"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "2"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "3"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "4"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "5"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "6"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "7"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"

 if the text of field "naam1" is not empty and the selectedtext of
button "naam1nivo" = "..."
 then answer error "Niveau van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"

 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "..."
 then put "" into tData
 else put field "naam1" && the selection of button "naam1nivo" &cr into tData

So can anyone help to shorten the code (because I have 25 fields)?

Greetings from a cold but sunny Holland,

William de Smet
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Re: Can anyone explain me how to shorten the code I use?

[Mark Smith]

William, you can build the names of controls as you go, like so:


repeat with n = 1 to 25
  put "naam" & n into tFieldName
  put "naam" & n & "nivo" into tButtonName
  ...

end repeat

You get the idea,


best,

Mark


On 15 Mar 2006, at 12:51, William de Smet wrote:


f the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "1"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "2"


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Minimize stack...

[Gilberto Cuba]

Hi,

I have a Rev 2.6 in a Debian Sarge distributions, and I tried to minimize my 
application in KDE, it work very fine, but I tried to minimized in GNOME 
that is not work. Why?


How I can minimize my application in GNOME?

Best regards,

Gilberto Cuba 




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Re: The long answer on when to use a function vs command

[Thomas McGrath III]

Ken, Jac, Andre, and Phil,

In the past I have only used functions for mathematical equations and  
not much else. I tend to use commands(handlers) for everything.


I didn't know about the 'send in time' issue with functions, thanks  
Andre.

I didn't think about the noun usage which seems sound.
I usually considered functions to be small little things but am not  
sure if that is fair or right.


I am curious as to any other unique aspects that could affect a  
decision on which to use in different situations.


Functions are normally used with a 'put' or 'get' -- Is this true?
Commands are normally used alone (with/without a parameter) but not  
usually with a get or put -- Is this true?


Is one more friendly with a lot of parameters? -- enough params that  
you would need a switch/case


If you have a function to get some info on an object like:
put getObjInfo("objName") into field "Info"

Would you use a command to set that info like: -- or should this be a  
function too? -- (ignore the cust prop aspect for now)

setObjInfo "Fun"

or

getObjVis() -- function
setObjVis true -- command

getObjPosition() -- function
setObjPosition 34,5 -- command


Is get and set a good indicator of wether they should be functions or  
commands?


Thanks

Tom

On Mar 15, 2006, at 1:39 AM, Phil Davis wrote:


Hi Tom,

Here are some simple ways I figure out whether to use a command or  
a function in a given situation.


A function name can naturally take on the role of a noun in a  
sentence. Or in RunRev terms, it can naturally fill the role of a  
containerName. A good function name can really improve the  
readability of the code in those places where it is used.


  put selectedTunes() into fld "tuneList"
  put cardObjectIDs("firstCard") into tObjectList
  if errorCount() > 3 then...

In each of the above cases, a function name takes the place of a  
subprocess that is probably secondary to the purpose of the calling  
handler. That secondary code is moved to a place of its own, where  
it can be appreciated for its value instead of cursed as a  
distraction, as it might be if it were coded inline. Without  
functions, code would be a lot harder to read.



A command name can be a short imperative sentence without the spaces:

  refreshMembersList
  closeCurrentScreen
  startMotor
  moveRobotArm "left",5 -- this one has 2 parameters

If at a given spot in your code, you can describe what needs to be  
done in a short sentence like the ones above, a command will  
probably serve well in that spot.

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Runtime and Proactive Enter into Strategic Agreement

[Kevin Miller]

Hi All,

I would like to let you know of some changes at Runtime Revolution Ltd. We
have historically been based in Scotland since our inception as a company,
and while we have a super international user community and sales have
steadily improved over the years, we have been looking at ways to take the
company to the next level.

Over the last several months, you may have noticed some changes - not the
least our website!

Runtime Revolution has now partnered with Proactive International
(http://www.proactive-intl.com) to help us evolve as a business. This
includes not only nuts-and-bolts of selling into new markets, but also
worldwide strategic business management. Proactive International has worked
with a broad spectrum of software companies and products - with significant
experience in development tools and media applications.

Proactive International is owned by Lynn Fredricks, who you may already be
familiar with from our various lists. He is also (now) a shareholder in
Runtime Revolution.

Over the course if this coming year, I believe you will witness some steady
steps forward from Runtime as a business and Revolution as a product.
Proactive will be talking a very active role in this, and this will include
a higher level of involvement of Lynn with the venues in which Runtime works
with customers. You should not be surprised if he also uses a signature that
is appropriate to working with Runtime at the executive level.

I hope you will make Lynn and Proactive welcome. I do not want to turn this
into an extended discussion on the list, so if you would like to ask
detailed questions I recommend that you email Lynn or myself directly.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools

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Re: Can anyone explain me how to shorten the code I use?

[Ken Ray]

On 3/15/06 6:51 AM, "William de Smet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi there,
> I've picked up Rev today after a while and started a new app.
> I noticed how it amused me again but there is still one thing I don't
> understand: I have repeating code and I don't know how to shorten it.

Try this:

if the text of field "naam1" = empty then
  repeat with x = 1 to 25
if the selectedText of btn "naam1nivo" = x then
  answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
end if
  end repeat
  if the selectedText of btn "naam1nivo" = "... then
put "" into tData
  else 
put field "naam1" && the selection of button "naam1nivo" &cr into tData
  end if
else  -- text field not empty
  if the selectedText of btn "naam1nivo" = "... then
answer error "Niveau van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
  end if
end if

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Screenshots of our creations (was: can someone show me a CRM solution)

[Ian Wood]

Wonderful idea!

Here's a screengrab movie to get things rolling, of an early stage  
work-in-progress:


3MB, QT7 required.

Note that the transition at the beginning and the blue 'area of  
interest' borders were added in Keynote, not Rev.


Ian

On 15 Mar 2006, at 08:07, Scott Kane wrote:


It'd be great if more people on the list could show off screenshots
of what they've achieved in Rev.  I mean - we know, now, that Ken's
doing some cool things, and we know Chipp is a past master of
great looking Windows GUI's.  But it'd be nice to see what other
people have achieved too.  Could be rather insperational.

Scott



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Re: Can anyone explain me how to shorten the code I use?

[Rob Cozens]

Hi William,


if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "1"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "2"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "3"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "4"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "5"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "6"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"
 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "7"
 then answer error "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"


Note: the following case



 if the text of field "naam1" is not empty and the selectedtext of
button "naam1nivo" = "..."
 then answer error "Niveau van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!"



triggers a second action in the else clause below


 if the text of field "naam1" = empty and the selectedtext of button
"naam1nivo" = "..."
 then put "" into tData
 else put field "naam1" && the selection of button "naam1nivo" &cr 
into tData


So can anyone help to shorten the code (because I have 25 fields)?



on processFields
   put  "Naam van leerling 1 mag niet leeg zijn!" into errorMessage -- 
if "1" is constant

   repeat with x = 1 to 25
   put  ("Naam van leerling"&x&"mag niet leeg zijn!") into 
errorMessage -- if "1" changes

   put ("naam"&x&"nivo") into buttonName
   put (the text of field ("naam"&x) = empty) into emptyField
   get the selectedtext of button buttonName
   if  it "..." then
   if not emptyField then answer error errorMessage
   if emptyField then put "" into tData
   else put field ("naam"&x) && the selection of button 
buttonName &cr into tData

   else if emptyField answer error errorMessage
end repeat
end processFields

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

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Re: Can anyone explain me how to shorten the code I use?

[Rob Cozens]

Moi:


   if  it "..." then



should be:

if it = "..." then

Sorry.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)

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Re: Screenshots of our creations (was: can someone show me a CRM solution)

[Mark Talluto]

On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:49 AM, Ian Wood wrote:


Wonderful idea!

Here's a screengrab movie to get things rolling, of an early stage  
work-in-progress:


3MB, QT7 required.


Very cool application Ian!  Is this for personal use or do you have a  
customer?



Mark Talluto
--
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com

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Re: Screenshots of our creations (was: can someone show me a CRM solution)

[Ian Wood]

On 15 Mar 2006, at 16:24, Mark Talluto wrote:


On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:49 AM, Ian Wood wrote:


Wonderful idea!

Here's a screengrab movie to get things rolling, of an early stage  
work-in-progress:


3MB, QT7 required.


Very cool application Ian!  Is this for personal use or do you have  
a customer?


Both. :-)

I can't go into huge detail yet as it's being publicly announced in  
May - but it's basically a visual editor for building interactive  
panoramas, and what's shown in the video is just the tip of the  
iceberg...


Here's a screengrab of an older app:

Turns QTVR panoramas into a video sequence.

Ian
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Educational stacks

[Glen Bojsza]

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if anyone has used Revolution in creating

1. A multiple choice quiz stack?

2. A multimedia "training" stack ?

My interest is in the "look and feel" from the user experience and how
self-contained training modules show flow. I have all the content material
for several modules but lack the experience on the educational side in how
best design the courses and test the users.

thanks in advance,

Glen
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Re: Button Label on graphic button

[Peter T. Evensen]

How is Bug #1032 Resolved?I don't see how it is either.

We *could* at the text to the graphic, but what if we need to change the 
button label?   I need to go back to the artist and get new artwork.


At 04:28 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

Hi Jonathan,


Can you just create an image to use as an Icon that has your
picture and
text all in the same image?


sure, but that a LOT of work.

Imagine buttons for different languages!

It would be so nice if one could use a nice graphic and just change
the label
of the buttons...

See my answer to Peter and my mention of godzilla Nr. 1032...


Regards

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de


Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
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Re: Button Label on graphic button

[Klaus Major]

Hi Peter,


How is Bug #1032 Resolved?I don't see how it is either.


Sometimes they seem to dream a little in broad daylight ;-)

We *could* at the text to the graphic, but what if we need to  
change the button label?   I need to go back to the artist and get  
new artwork.


I just saw that i created a new bugzilla entry with this some time  
ago: 3265


Put some votes on it, if you like...


Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588


Regards

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de

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Re: Button Label on graphic button

[Peter T. Evensen]

Great!  I just added my votes.   Thanks for adding a new bug report.

I posted a note on the other one, as you probably saw.

At 11:08 AM 3/15/2006, you wrote:

Hi Peter,


How is Bug #1032 Resolved?I don't see how it is either.


Sometimes they seem to dream a little in broad daylight ;-)


We *could* at the text to the graphic, but what if we need to
change the button label?   I need to go back to the artist and get
new artwork.


I just saw that i created a new bugzilla entry with this some time
ago: 3265

Put some votes on it, if you like...


Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588


Regards

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de

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Re: Educational stacks

[Judy Perry]

Glen,

Can you give me a better idea of what you have and what you want to do?

Judy

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Glen Bojsza wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has used Revolution in creating
>
> 1. A multiple choice quiz stack?
>
> 2. A multimedia "training" stack ?
>
> My interest is in the "look and feel" from the user experience and how
> self-contained training modules show flow. I have all the content material
> for several modules but lack the experience on the educational side in how
> best design the courses and test the users.
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> Glen
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Re: Educational stacks

[Wilhelm Sanke]

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 , "Glen Bojsza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :


Hello everyone,

I was wondering if anyone has used Revolution in creating

1. A multiple choice quiz stack?

2. A multimedia "training" stack ?

My interest is in the "look and feel" from the user experience and how
self-contained training modules show flow. I have all the content material
for several modules but lack the experience on the educational side in how
best design the courses and test the users.

thanks in advance,

Glen




Hello Glen,

This question comes up in regular intervals. Some hints:

- There are some educational stacks to be found at RevOnline.

- Marielle Lange has set up a special website for educational stacks: 



- As far as I know, Marty Billingsley  of the Chicago Laboratory School 
(founded by John Dewey at about 1895 as an institution of "Progressive 
Education") persues the work of Dewey using Revolution both for teaching 
and for introducing students to programming

(search the list archives for more information).

- There is a education-revolution list

- I had anwered to a similar post on this list (use-revolution) on Feb 7:

There are some "educational" stacks on my website 
 you could check out:


On page "Tools and Samples for Development"

- "Seminar01" (A stack from 2001: step by step introduction - however 
in German, but the scripts are of course in English - for different 
kinds of basic educational software, among them a stepwise development 
of a simple vocabulary trainer)


- "Multiple-Choice Tutorial" (see also the broader  information for 
this stack on page "Tutorials")


On page "Sample Stacks"

- "Image and Words"

- "Animals"

- and possibly ""Word Scramble".

On page "Student Samples" there is one stack  "German States" for 
learning to match the names of the German states and their flags and 
other exercises. This stack is an exe-file, but may be interesting to 
inspect because of the pedagogical design.



On page "Projects: Language Suite" you will find some information 
(although still in German) about some language learning stacks. We 
intend to make demo versions available of these stacks in the near future.


Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke



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Auto tab to next field

[Jeff Honken]

I trying to program an automatic tab to the next field after the user
inputs three characters.  Here's the code I'm using:

on keyDown theKey
  if the number of chars in me >= 3 then
focus on fld ProvOfficePhone2
exit keyDown
  else
pass keyDown
  end if
end keyDown

The above code works but when I hit the fourth character it tabs to the
next field but it loses the character that was typed. i.e. if you type
1234 the 123 goes into my first box and the cursor goes to the next
field but it doesn't input 4 into that field.  Any suggestions?  Jeff  




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Object Library

[Gregory Lypny]

My apologies if I missed this in a previous post, but where's the  
Object library in the new version of Revolution?  When I click on  
Object Library under the Development menu, I get the Library stack  
and an empty field under the Object tab where those nifty objects  
used to be in previous versions.


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Re: Auto tab to next field

[Mark Smith]

Jeff, this should work:

on keyDown theKey
  if the number of chars in me >= 3 then
put theKey into fld "ProvOfficePhone2"
focus on fld "ProvOfficePhone2"
exit keyDown
  else
pass keyDown
  end if
end keyDown

replace  with
 if you want to keep typing in  
the newly focused fld.


Cheers,

Mark

On 15 Mar 2006, at 17:55, Jeff Honken wrote:


I trying to program an automatic tab to the next field after the user
inputs three characters.  Here's the code I'm using:

on keyDown theKey
  if the number of chars in me >= 3 then
focus on fld ProvOfficePhone2
exit keyDown
  else
pass keyDown
  end if
end keyDown

The above code works but when I hit the fourth character it tabs to  
the

next field but it loses the character that was typed. i.e. if you type
1234 the 123 goes into my first box and the cursor goes to the next
field but it doesn't input 4 into that field.  Any suggestions?  Jeff




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RE: can someone show me a CRM solution

[Richard Gaskin]

Scott Kane wrote:
> It'd be great if more people on the list could show off
> screenshots of what they've achieved in Rev.

As beneficial as it would be to those of us already using Rev, it would 
seem even more useful to the vendor to post at their web site to inspire 
newcomers.


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Re: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev Interface?

[Mark Wieder]

Andre-

Tuesday, March 14, 2006, 9:37:18 PM, you wrote:

> it still required HMAC/SHA1 authentication which I think our current
> implementation of encrypt can't generate...

Yes, but my point was being amazed at finding BitTorrent here...

This is important for a couple of reasons: first of all, it's a cool
mechanism for allowing distributed access to files and still limiting
bandwidth consumption; and secondly because Amazon's support of
BitTorrent adds legitimacy to peer-to-peer distribution and places
them directly in opposition to the MPAA.

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Re: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev Interface?

[Howard Bornstein]

On 3/15/06, Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Howard-
>
> Tuesday, March 14, 2006, 5:56:33 PM, you wrote:
>
> > http://aws.amazon.com/s3
>
> ...it's got a BitTorrent interface !!!
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Even though the licensing agreement says: "4) You represent and
warrant that: (i) Your S3 Content does not infringe or violate any
rights of any other person or entity;", I suspect this service may end
up giving the RIAA fits.

Regards,

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RE: Auto tab to next field

[Jeff Honken]

Mark,
  That seemed to work but the next number or the 5th number in the
sequence of 123 45 makes it 123 54.  Why would the cursor jump to the
front of the number instead of in back of it?  Jeff



-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Smith
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 11:12 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Auto tab to next field

Jeff, this should work:

on keyDown theKey
   if the number of chars in me >= 3 then
 put theKey into fld "ProvOfficePhone2"
 focus on fld "ProvOfficePhone2"
 exit keyDown
   else
 pass keyDown
   end if
end keyDown

replace  with
 if you want to keep typing in  
the newly focused fld.

Cheers,

Mark

On 15 Mar 2006, at 17:55, Jeff Honken wrote:

> I trying to program an automatic tab to the next field after the user
> inputs three characters.  Here's the code I'm using:
>
> on keyDown theKey
>   if the number of chars in me >= 3 then
> focus on fld ProvOfficePhone2
> exit keyDown
>   else
> pass keyDown
>   end if
> end keyDown
>
> The above code works but when I hit the fourth character it tabs to  
> the
> next field but it loses the character that was typed. i.e. if you type
> 1234 the 123 goes into my first box and the cursor goes to the next
> field but it doesn't input 4 into that field.  Any suggestions?  Jeff
>
>
>
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Re: Making the move...

[Dan Shafer]

Richard.

I *certainly* don't disagree with your response, but I'm earnestly seeking a
description of how you'd go about building an app in Rev that is entirely
deliverable via a Web browser, which is, I submit, the definition of a Web
application. I think that was the original point/question. Creating
thin-client Web appliances is amazingly easy with Rev. Creating CGIs that
run on a server -- including back-end database access -- is also feasible,
if somewhat limited in terms of performance (no FCGI support as far as I
know).

If this is possible, I'd sure like to know how to do it.

On 3/14/06, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

But if the goal is to deliver the benefits of productive, flexible
systems, Transcript can prove quite capable in ways that may surprise.



--
~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
http://www.shafermedia.com
Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought"
>From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html
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Re: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev Interface?

[Andre Garzia]

Mark,

I read the docs, there appear to be no magical/automated interface  
for BT.


What appears to exist is that if you create a public object, which is  
a resource that can be accessed by a URL without authentication, then  
you can run your BT Tracker and use your resource with it. Meaning,  
they don't really support a BitTorrent interface but since they have  
a way to make the objects accessible without authentication, nothing  
will stop you from using BT with it. It is the same as saying Amazon  
S3 supports Runtime Revolution libURL, they don't, what they support  
is a simple HTTP transport without authentication case you need. I  
really thing that bittorrent piece was put there by some marketing guy.


Since S3 is a paid service and you end up paying for the data  
transfer, it would be smart to use BitTorrent to lower your costs...  
but also, if you set up a object that can be used with BT, your  
object can also be retrieved by anyone that knows the URL, and  
depending on what you're hosting, it just needs one post in a forum  
to skyrocket your costs.


if we had HMAC/SHA1 routines, we could build a S3 library in 20  
minutes, it's very easy.


Cheers
andre




On Mar 15, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Andre-

Tuesday, March 14, 2006, 9:37:18 PM, you wrote:


it still required HMAC/SHA1 authentication which I think our current
implementation of encrypt can't generate...


Yes, but my point was being amazed at finding BitTorrent here...

This is important for a couple of reasons: first of all, it's a cool
mechanism for allowing distributed access to files and still limiting
bandwidth consumption; and secondly because Amazon's support of
BitTorrent adds legitimacy to peer-to-peer distribution and places
them directly in opposition to the MPAA.

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Re: Can anyone explain me how to shorten the code I use?

[Mark Wieder]

William-

Here's my take on it:

local tErrMsg, x, tData, tErrs
local tFld, tBtn
put empty into tErrs
repeat with x=1 to 25
  put "Niveau van leerling" && x && "mag niet leeg zijn!" into tErrMsg
  put "naam" & x into tFld
  put "naam" & x & "nivo" into tBtn
  put field tFld && the selection of button tBtn into tData
  if field tFld is empty then
if the selectedText of button tBtn is "..." then
  put empty into tData
else
  --answer error tErrMsg
  put tErrMsg & cr after tErrs
end if
  else -- field x is not empty
if the selectedText of button tBtn = "..." then
  --answer error tErrMsg
  put tErrMsg & cr after tErrs
end if
  end if
end repeat

...but I'm not sure exactly what you want the end result to be. Notice
that what you wrote could result in 25 error dialogs appearing on the
screen, one after another, which could be very annoying. I substituted
the accumulation of errors into a variable which could be checked
after the run:

if tErrs is not empty then
  answer error tErrs
end if

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ANN: Displacement Scaling of graphic objects

[Jim Hurley]

Scaling is a very common feature of all graphics applications, e.g. 
Illustrator and Freehand. But there is another type of scaling that 
is sometimes useful; for lack of a better expression I'll call it 
displacement scaling. (Thanks to a suggestion from Scott Rossi for 
bringing this up.)


As a simple example, consider a rectangle of width w and height h. If 
you magnify this in Illustrator or Freehand by an amount m, you get a 
rectangle with sides m*w and m*h. This  preserves the geometrical 
features of the rectangle. For example the tangent of the angle 
between the diagonal and the base is h/w in both rectangles.


But  suppose you wanted to make a frame by putting two rectangles 
together, one inside the other. You would want all the sides of the 
expanded rectangle to be at a uniform distance, say "d", from the 
original--as in a frame. This expanded rectangle does not preserve 
the geometry. The tangent of the diagonal angle becomes: 
(h+2d)/(w+2d), which is not the same as h/w. In fact, for large 
displacements, the rectangle becomes a square--the tangent approaches 
one. (Similarly, an expanded ellipse approaches a circle.)


The stack "ScaleMe" performs this displacement scaling on all 
polygons. (It also applies to any polygon with sufficient points that 
it approximates a curved figure, for example an ellipse.)


It presents some interesting problems, particularly when the graphic 
points are numerous and close together--as in an ellipse. In this 
case it is necessary to define the points of the graphic, not by Run 
Rev's graphic points (with just 3 significant figures) but with the 
full precision of Run Rev's decimal calculations. The calculated 
graphic points are stored in a custom property of the graphic. The 
points then are stored both as the customary 3 digit graphic points 
for purposes of display and as a decimal (8 displayed , 15 total?) 
digits for purposes of calculation.  (Scott: This eliminates all the 
problems we had with such figures.)


The stack shows how to create some dazzling graphic figures by 
repeatedly scaling a simple form and setting each displaced figure to 
a different color. It also touches on fractal graphics.


In the message box:

go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ScaleMe3.rev";
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Re: Auto tab to next field

[Mark Smith]

Jeff, my suggestion below should deal with that

Cheers,

Mark

On 15 Mar 2006, at 18:46, Jeff Honken wrote:


replace  with
 if you want to keep typing in
the newly focused fld.


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RE: Auto tab to next field

[Jeff Honken]

Mark,
  Thanks,  That worked great !  Jeff



-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:07 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Auto tab to next field

Jeff, my suggestion below should deal with that

Cheers,

Mark

On 15 Mar 2006, at 18:46, Jeff Honken wrote:

> replace  with
>  if you want to keep typing in
> the newly focused fld.

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Re: ANN: Displacement Scaling of graphic objects

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Jim Hurley wrote:

> go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ScaleMe3.rev";

Jim -

I only have one word for this: friggin' unbelievably awesome.

What a fantastic stack.  The potential of all this...  The mind reels...

(We must be mentally in tune -- I was just thinking about this problem
yesterday!)

Many many thanks for solving this super-challenge.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Button Label on graphic button

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 2:51 PM -0600 3/14/2006, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

At 02:35 PM 3/14/2006, Sarah wrote:

On 3/15/06, Peter T. Evensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Is there any way to get Rev to center a button label on a graphical

 > button?   It seems to only want to display it under the icon.



Adjust the margins of the button. Normally the margins is a single
number, but it can also be 4 comma-separated numbers, specifiying the
left, top, right & bottom margins respectively. Play around with
altering these and see if you can get the result you want.


Actually I already did this.  It "work" per se, but then one winds 
up with a large empty area around the button that is clickable, 
which is kind of strange from a UI standpoint.



I'm not sure what you did, if you got a "large empty area around the 
button". You leave the button at the same size - usually just large 
enough to accommodate the icon - then adjust the top and bottom 
margins until both icon and text are centered. (If you just increase 
the bottom margin, the text moves up but so does the icon, so you 
also need to increase the top margin to move the icon back down.)

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Re: The long answer on when to use a function vs command

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 10:13 AM -0500 3/15/2006, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
I am curious as to any other unique aspects that could affect a 
decision on which to use in different situations.


Functions are normally used with a 'put' or 'get' -- Is this true?
Commands are normally used alone (with/without a parameter) but not 
usually with a get or put -- Is this true?


Not necessarily. I think an easier way to think of how functions are 
used is to consider that a function can be part of an expression, 
while a command is more of a thing unto itself. Consider:


  put myFunction(this,that,theotherThing) into field "Result"
  if myFunction(this,that) + 1 > 25 then beep
  wait until myFunction(that,theOtherThing) is true

In all these cases, the function call substitutes for a value (a 
number or string), and the line it's on uses that value. This is not 
possible with a command.



Is one more friendly with a lot of parameters? -- enough params that 
you would need a switch/case


Not really. You use the parameters in the same way, once you're in 
the custom handler.




If you have a function to get some info on an object like:
put getObjInfo("objName") into field "Info"


(I'd probably name it objectInfo, not getObjectInfo. No functional 
need, but I think it reads better that way. "getObjectInfo" reads 
like a command.)



Would you use a command to set that info like: -- or should this be 
a function too? -- (ignore the cust prop aspect for now)


Think about it like this: what's the routine's main purpose in life? 
Is it to do something, or to return a value? It sounds like setting 
the object info would mainly exist to do something - set a property, 
perhaps - so it ought to be a command.

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Re: The long answer on when to use a function vs command

[Ian Wood]

On 15 Mar 2006, at 19:21, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:


Think about it like this: what's the routine's main purpose in  
life? Is it to do something, or to return a value? It sounds like  
setting the object info would mainly exist to do something - set a  
property, perhaps - so it ought to be a command.

--
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http://www.jaedworks.com


That's pretty much my take on it as well - anything that returns a  
value gets written as a function, anything else as a regular handler.


Ian
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Re: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev Interface?

[Mark Wieder]

Howard-

Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 10:33:26 AM, you wrote:

> Even though the licensing agreement says: "4) You represent and
> warrant that: (i) Your S3 Content does not infringe or violate any
> rights of any other person or entity;", I suspect this service may end
> up giving the RIAA fits.

Exactly.

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Re: ANN: Displacement Scaling of graphic objects

[Devin Asay]

On Mar 15, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:


go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ScaleMe3.rev";



The creativity and brain power of this group never fails to amaze me.  
Thanks for a way cool stack, Jim.


Devin

Devin Asay
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Brigham Young University

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Re: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev Interface?

[Mark Wieder]

Andre-

Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 10:56:54 AM, you wrote:

> is a simple HTTP transport without authentication case you need. I
> really thing that bittorrent piece was put there by some marketing guy.

I suspect you're right, but the placement of it early on in the specs
is auspicious. It's roughly equivalent to the legitimacy conferred on
personal computers when IBM entered the market.

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Re: Button Label on graphic button

[Peter T. Evensen]

I was just setting the margin on the inspector.  I guess you have to 
manually set the top and bottom margins in the message box?  That seems to 
be working better. Thanks!


At 08:47 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:

At 2:51 PM -0600 3/14/2006, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

At 02:35 PM 3/14/2006, Sarah wrote:

On 3/15/06, Peter T. Evensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Is there any way to get Rev to center a button label on a graphical

 > button?   It seems to only want to display it under the icon.
Adjust the margins of the button. Normally the margins is a single
number, but it can also be 4 comma-separated numbers, specifiying the
left, top, right & bottom margins respectively. Play around with
altering these and see if you can get the result you want.


Actually I already did this.  It "work" per se, but then one winds up 
with a large empty area around the button that is clickable, which is 
kind of strange from a UI standpoint.



I'm not sure what you did, if you got a "large empty area around the 
button". You leave the button at the same size - usually just large enough 
to accommodate the icon - then adjust the top and bottom margins until 
both icon and text are centered. (If you just increase the bottom margin, 
the text moves up but so does the icon, so you also need to increase the 
top margin to move the icon back down.)

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Re: [Slightly OT] Amazon's New Storage Plan - Someone Do a Rev Interface?

[Andre Garzia]

Mark,

yes you are right. Just by acknowledging (heck, I can not spell in  
english) the legal use of BitTorrent it is a great achievement.


I use BT very much for downloading Linux ISOs and for sending BeOS/ 
Zeta test builds back and forth the development team. It is the best  
way to send big files around.


Cheers
andre


On Mar 15, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Andre-

Wednesday, March 15, 2006, 10:56:54 AM, you wrote:


is a simple HTTP transport without authentication case you need. I
really thing that bittorrent piece was put there by some marketing  
guy.


I suspect you're right, but the placement of it early on in the specs
is auspicious. It's roughly equivalent to the legitimacy conferred on
personal computers when IBM entered the market.

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Re: Making the move...

[Richard Gaskin]

Dan Shafer wrote:

> On 3/14/06, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> But if the goal is to deliver the benefits of productive,
>> flexible systems, Transcript can prove quite capable in
>> ways that may surprise.
>
> Richard.
>
> I *certainly* don't disagree with your response, but I'm earnestly
> seeking a description of how you'd go about building an app in Rev
> that is entirely deliverable via a Web browser, which is, I submit,
> the definition of a Web application. I think that was the original
> point/question. Creating thin-client Web appliances is amazingly
> easy with Rev. Creating CGIs that run on a server -- including
> back-end database access -- is also feasible, if somewhat limited
> in terms of performance (no FCGI support as far as I know).
>
> If this is possible, I'd sure like to know how to do it.

A "web application" has at least a web-based interface, and often also 
has a server-side component to it.


There are three viable methods of making an interactive interface in a 
web browser:


a) Java
b) Flash
c) DHTL (recently re-christened "Ajax")

Rev doesn't produce Java or Flash output, so if those are desired you 
would indeed have to go to another tool.


But neither does Ruby.

Nor is Ruby embedded in web browsers.

Web browsers have only one universal language at this time:  JavaScript, 
which is the heart of DHTML/Ajax.


JavaScript is plain uncompiled ASCII text.  It can be 
generated/assembled/sliced/diced by a Rev-based CGI just as assuredly as 
any other language, such as Ruby, can do so.


Rev's merge function is enormously powerful, as are its chunk 
expressions and file handling.  Smartly-designed snippets of JavaScript 
and HTML can be combined and recombined quickly and easily with Transcript.


As for performance, most CGIs are loaded when called.  The exception is 
FastCGI, employing a stay-resident option to minimize load times.  Many 
ISPs preconfigure their Perl installations to use FastCGI, and FastCGI 
is the recommended interface when you install and set up Ruby.  It may 
be possible to use FastCGI with Rev; I'll leave it to the server experts 
here to fill us in on that.


When run as a CGI, the Rev engine loads _much_ faster than it does on 
the desktop, which is pretty darn fast as it is.  As a CGI it doesn't 
need to initialize any of its GUI elements, so the load time on a decent 
server should be roughly on par with any other engine of equivalent size.


It would be helpful is someone here has performance benchmarks on Rev as 
a CGI relative to Perl, Python, Ruby, and other server-side languages.


If FastCGI cannot be used with the Rev engine, then indeed we can expect 
a performance disparity between the Rev engine and the Ruby engine.  But 
"impossible"?  I don't see how.


One of the main bullet points for developing in RoR is the MVC 
implementation, but again that's not exactly new.  Smalltalk had MVC, 
and there are implementations in most OOPs and many non-OOPs as well, 
including a few done in Rev to varying degrees.  While the Rev ones have 
focused on native controls for triggers, one would have to write 
JavaScript triggers for web-based UIs, as they would with any 
browser-based implementation.


Ruby is a fine language, and the "on Rails" framework is well thought 
out and very useful.  But it's not magic; Ruby is just a language, its 
"Rails" just a framework, and I've seen nothing in it that couldn't also 
be done with Perl, Python, Rev, or any other CGI.  There may be 
tradeoffs with runtime performance and development productivity, but I 
see nothing which would discount all web applications as "impossible" to 
do in Rev.



And as you note, Rev does one thing Ruby can't:  compliment the range of 
deliverables with a net-savvy desktop app (think maps.google vs Google 
Earth).  While only useful in a subset of scenarios, it offers many 
benefits, esp. for intranets where employers are losing billions in lost 
productivity by providing open web access to their employees when all 
they really need is access to specific company- and vendor-specific 
resources.  Rev-based net-savvy apps (or "net apps", or "net 
appliances", or "thick clients", or whatever else one might call them) 
are like VPNs for the rest of us.  And, as with Google Earth, there are 
UI benefits to such desktop implementations as well.



All that said, there are two benefits to Ruby:  most of the code you'd 
need is already written, and as open source it's all freely available.


But while Ruby may have some advantages, that doesn't make using other 
languages to generate DHTML interfaces impossible.



Taking this a step further, I'll close with an exercise for the reader:

1. Make a web app development tool in Rev for laying out and generating 
DHTML controls for web pages.


2. Now make the same tool in Ruby.

 ;)

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add main stack

[liamlambert]

I have a stack "Booking" which is the main stack,
I want to add a stack "Welcome" which will be the
main stack and the stack "Booking" be a sub stack of welcome
How do I do this
Thanks
Liam Lambert
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[OT] Spotlight and Tiger

[Stephen Barncard]

Does anyone here know about a way to turn off all Spotlight activity 
and replace it with the the Panther style search?


I really, really HATE Spotlight. I just want to search filenames, not 
the content. In spotlight I get way more hits than I need. I design 
all my filenames to tell me all I need to know.


I also hate the way it anticipates my typing, as it blocks any other 
activity, and if you make a mistake, one is faced with the dreaded 
spinning beachball until it is ready. Finally there are hardly any 
adjustments in its panel to turn any of this behavior off. This thing 
blows so many HUI guidlines it's not funny.


Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an otherwise great OS?


sqb
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Re: add main stack

[Ian Wood]

1. Open up (or create) the stack "Welcome".
2. Go to the Inspector for stack "Booking" and in the basic  
properties look for the Main Stack menu, choose "Welcome" from it.

3. There is no step 3.

Ian

On 15 Mar 2006, at 20:07, liamlambert wrote:


I have a stack "Booking" which is the main stack,
I want to add a stack "Welcome" which will be the
main stack and the stack "Booking" be a sub stack of welcome
How do I do this
Thanks
Liam Lambert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
IRELAND


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Re: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger

[Andre Garzia]

Stephen,

spotlight is a very powefull feature. The lag you see is that it  
appears that spotlight needs to load its database on first  
interaction, so your first search after boot is always granted with a  
little beach ball, the next ones will be quicker, I promisse (the  
thing should load its database on boot and not on first use I  
think...). If you don't care do use some of MacOS X Unix powers, then  
read on for a little recipe


-- function that searches spotlight based on filename.
function mdFindFilesbyName pFilename
  put format("mdfind %s | grep -i %s", pFilename, pFilename) into  
tShellCMD

  get shell(tShellCMD)
  return it
end mdFindFilesbyName

This little function will search spotlight for the pattern you said  
was the filename and grep will filter the lines for the filename.  
With mdfind you can do boolean searches like search for something and  
somethingelse and not someotherthing... you can do many cool things  
with mdfind and if you use pipes for grep, tr, awk... you have a  
killer toolkit


Always Remember, MacOS X is a Unix and Pipes are your Friend! :-D

the mdfind command line tool might be what you're looking for. You  
can build a nice GUI for it in Rev if you want.
a Good resource on mdfind is http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/ 
2006/01/04/mdfind.html


Cheers
andre

PS: I love spotlight, but I'd rather have full blown BFS like queries.


On Mar 15, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

Does anyone here know about a way to turn off all Spotlight  
activity and replace it with the the Panther style search?


I really, really HATE Spotlight. I just want to search filenames,  
not the content. In spotlight I get way more hits than I need. I  
design all my filenames to tell me all I need to know.


I also hate the way it anticipates my typing, as it blocks any  
other activity, and if you make a mistake, one is faced with the  
dreaded spinning beachball until it is ready. Finally there are  
hardly any adjustments in its panel to turn any of this behavior  
off. This thing blows so many HUI guidlines it's not funny.


Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an otherwise  
great OS?



sqb
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Re: Thousands Separator on OSX

[Peter T. Evensen]

It is BZ 3392.  Please all cast your votes.

At 09:33 AM 3/14/2006, Rob Cozens wrote:


Hi Peter,

To me it seems the Rev engine should give one access to this 
setting...  Has someone BZed it?


I totally agree.  There should be a systemNumberFormat function to return 
decimal character, thousands separator, and currency symbol string and/or 
a formatNumber function that returns a numeric value formatted as per 
system preferences.  Especially since every solution posted here is 
platform-specific.


If you find or log this in BZ, post the # and I'll allocate some votes to it.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company


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add main stack

[liamlambert]

That is what I thought but when I try this it does not work
the stacks revert to what they were
I had done this before when I had dreamcard but now I am using studio
Is this a bug
Liam Lambert
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Re: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 3/16/06, Stephen Barncard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone here know about a way to turn off all Spotlight activity
> and replace it with the the Panther style search?
>
> I really, really HATE Spotlight. I just want to search filenames, not
> the content. In spotlight I get way more hits than I need. I design
> all my filenames to tell me all I need to know.
>

I've started using PathFinder from CocoaTech ,
which allows me to do a Spotlight search or to enter a more restricted
set of search conditions e.g. files with names contains "blue", with
the extension "rev", modified within the last week whose size is
greater than 1 MB.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: add main stack

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 3/16/06, liamlambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That is what I thought but when I try this it does not work
> the stacks revert to what they were
> I had done this before when I had dreamcard but now I am using studio
> Is this a bug
> Liam Lambert
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> IRELAND

Then you need to save, then to get to the stacks, you open up the file
of the new main stack. I've done this many times and never had a
problem with it, but I haven't had to do it yet using Rev 2.7 so maybe
you have found a bug, or maybe the stacks and stackFiles are confusing
you :-)

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger

[Ian Wood]

There are three main interfaces to Spotlight - the useful one and the  
other two. ;-P


The only one that's all that useful is the one you get when hitting  
Apple-F in a Finder window, which allows you to restrict searches by -

Name:Contains:
Last Modified:Within:Last Week
Kind:Others:Revolution Stack
etc.

Ian

On 15 Mar 2006, at 20:07, Stephen Barncard wrote:

Does anyone here know about a way to turn off all Spotlight  
activity and replace it with the the Panther style search?


I really, really HATE Spotlight. I just want to search filenames,  
not the content. In spotlight I get way more hits than I need. I  
design all my filenames to tell me all I need to know.


I also hate the way it anticipates my typing, as it blocks any  
other activity, and if you make a mistake, one is faced with the  
dreaded spinning beachball until it is ready. Finally there are  
hardly any adjustments in its panel to turn any of this behavior  
off. This thing blows so many HUI guidlines it's not funny.


Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an otherwise  
great OS?



sqb
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add main stack

[liamlambert]

Just tried it in dreamcard worked fine not in studio
Liam
On 3/16/06, liamlambert  wrote:
> That is what I thought but when I try this it does not work
> the stacks revert to what they were
> I had done this before when I had dreamcard but now I am using studio
> Is this a bug
> Liam Lambert
> liamlambert at mac.com
> IRELAND

Then you need to save, then to get to the stacks, you open up the file
of the new main stack. I've done this many times and never had a
problem with it, but I haven't had to do it yet using Rev 2.7 so maybe
you have found a bug, or maybe the stacks and stackFiles are confusing
you :-)

Cheers,
Sarah

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Re: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger

[Jim Ault]

Recommendation based only on my experience:

Set folders and drives to 'private' in Spotlight -- no indexing will occur
(esp large data file storage)

Use Path Finder by Cocoa Tech (I went back to ver 3.2.2 since 4.x was buggy
back in December when it was first released.. probably not buggy anymore)

Path Finder - The Find (cmd-F) in Path Finder is plenty fast enough for me,
and will search all selected drives, showing full path names!!! for all
hits.

Path Finder can be launched when needed, run at startup, and coexist with
the Apple Finder just fine.

Path Finder is much slower when moving and trashing lots of files.  I use
the Finder for disk cleanup.

I love some of the features of Path Finder, so I am biased, however, I use
both the Finder and PF all day long.

As always, your smileage may vary.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
OSX 10.4.2, Path Finder 3.2.2


On 3/15/06 12:07 PM, "Stephen Barncard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Does anyone here know about a way to turn off all Spotlight activity
> and replace it with the the Panther style search?
> 
> I really, really HATE Spotlight. I just want to search filenames, not
> the content. In spotlight I get way more hits than I need. I design
> all my filenames to tell me all I need to know.
> 
> I also hate the way it anticipates my typing, as it blocks any other
> activity, and if you make a mistake, one is faced with the dreaded
> spinning beachball until it is ready. Finally there are hardly any
> adjustments in its panel to turn any of this behavior off. This thing
> blows so many HUI guidlines it's not funny.
> 
> Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an otherwise great OS?
> 
> 
> sqb


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Re: Button Label on graphic button

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 1:48 PM -0600 3/15/2006, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
I was just setting the margin on the inspector.  I guess you have to 
manually set the top and bottom margins in the message box?  That 
seems to be working better. Thanks!


You can actually do this in the inspector palette, too - the margins 
property accepts either a single number (for all margins) or a list 
of four comma-separated numbers: left, top, right, and bottom. The 
user interface in the inspector doesn't make this obvious at all, but 
you can enter all four into the inspector as well. For example, you 
can enter

  4,20,4,30
to change the top and bottom margins.
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Re: Making the move...

[Pierre Sahores]

And as long as MCRev web applications servers have been my best  
incomes sources betwin 1997 and 200x, i just can add that Rev is,  
before J2SE or PHP and behind Ruby on Rails, a real firstclass web  
apps development platform. RoR is probably before Rev in about the  
apps deployment framework and Rev is probably lots before RoR about  
the development langage it self, at least in my humble mind because  
the transcript xtalk structure, because the rev engine, both more  
polished and able to let us design our web apps in less time than in  
building them in Ruby coding.


A public accessible example app : 


Some design, downloadable material and guildelines : istream.homeunix.com/insead/index_en.html>


:)

Le 15 mars 06 à 05:46, Richard Gaskin a écrit :


Dan Shafer wrote:
Web applications in the sense Ruby on Rails defines them cannot be  
written

in Revolution.


Since that definition requires the Ruby language and that it be on
"rails", nothing can satisfy it except Ruby on Rails.

:)

But DHTML (or AJAX* as the kids now call it) is just ASCII, and
Transcript is unusually adept at parsing, concatenating, and merging
text.  And behind the presentation layer a database is a database, and
interfacing it is always only as graceful as the self-discipline of  
the

developer, regardless of the language.  Frameworks are not a new
invention, and certainly not unique to RoR.

If the goal is to meet someone else's very specific definition of a
development paradigm, sure, Transcript may not be able to do  
exactly that.


But if the goal is to deliver the benefits of productive, flexible  
systems, Transcript can prove quite capable in ways that may surprise.


Extra bonus points:  With Rev you have the option of moving beyond  
Web 2.0 as in , and moving right up to Web  
3.0 a la . :)


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* I'm so old when I hear "Ajax" I think of .

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Re: Educational stacks

[Wilhelm Sanke]

Hello Glen,

You wrote:


Hello everyone,

I was wondering if anyone has used Revolution in creating

1. A multiple choice quiz stack?

(snip)




As an addendum to my previous post  three hours ago:

You can find Steve Messimers "Preceptor Tools", which very much rely on 
the "multiple-choice" principle, here :

.

There is also a stack "Multiple Choice Questionnaire" in folder "sample 
projects" of the Revolution distribution. This stack might be 
interesting as an example how specific questions of constructing 
multiple-choice exercises are addressed and programmed, otherwise it is 
very much sub-standard. At best it could serve as a starting point - 
maybe it is intended as such - for developing exercises that are nearer 
to state-of-the-art and state-of-the-discussion standards concerning 
"multiple choice".


As an educational format, multiple-choice is very much disputed and 
discouraged. Very often, multiple-choice exercises do not clearly 
distinguish in their objectives, e.g. are they intended for "teaching", 
"learning", or simply "testing"?


More modern teaching and testing procedures try to minimize the role of 
"multiple-choice". Even the American SAT, which very much relied on 
multiple-choice, is slowly steering away from this format as it adds 
more and more essay and open-ended parts where you actively have to 
produce responses and not only  to recall and choose from preselected 
answers. So does the FCAT, the "Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test", 
which is applied at various grade levels in Florida schools and the main 
threshold you have to pass to get your high-school diploma.


But designing multiple-choice exercises can be a nice programming 
enterprise; this is what I had in mind when I produced my 
multiple-choice tutorial. And, indeed, a carefully designed 
multiple-choice exercise can be useful as a *part* of more comprehensive 
teaching, learning, and testing strategies.


Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke






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Re: Runtime and Proactive Enter into Strategic Agreement

[Pierre Sahores]

Congratulations RunRev !

Kind Regards,

Pierre

Le 15 mars 06 à 16:17, Kevin Miller a écrit :


Hi All,

I would like to let you know of some changes at Runtime Revolution  
Ltd. We
have historically been based in Scotland since our inception as a  
company,

and while we have a super international user community and sales have
steadily improved over the years, we have been looking at ways to  
take the

company to the next level.

Over the last several months, you may have noticed some changes -  
not the

least our website!

Runtime Revolution has now partnered with Proactive International
(http://www.proactive-intl.com) to help us evolve as a business. This
includes not only nuts-and-bolts of selling into new markets, but also
worldwide strategic business management. Proactive International  
has worked
with a broad spectrum of software companies and products - with  
significant

experience in development tools and media applications.

Proactive International is owned by Lynn Fredricks, who you may  
already be
familiar with from our various lists. He is also (now) a  
shareholder in

Runtime Revolution.

Over the course if this coming year, I believe you will witness  
some steady

steps forward from Runtime as a business and Revolution as a product.
Proactive will be talking a very active role in this, and this will  
include
a higher level of involvement of Lynn with the venues in which  
Runtime works
with customers. You should not be surprised if he also uses a  
signature that

is appropriate to working with Runtime at the executive level.

I hope you will make Lynn and Proactive welcome. I do not want to  
turn this

into an extended discussion on the list, so if you would like to ask
detailed questions I recommend that you email Lynn or myself directly.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: Making the move...

[J. Landman Gay]

Richard Gaskin wrote:

It would be helpful is someone here has performance benchmarks on Rev as 
a CGI relative to Perl, Python, Ruby, and other server-side languages.


I don't have benchmarks, but Scott Raney once said that the load time of 
the engine when used as a CGI was "insignificant".


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Re: Educational stacks

[Glen Bojsza]

Wilhelm,

Thanks for the information which will take a little digesting.

To answer Judy's question - I am trying to create custome learning modules
that explain very specific telecommunications technology by means of visual
animation and user interaction which needs to be tested for to see if the
key points were understood.

The trick with using multiple choice testing is to word the question and
answers so that the correct solution is not quite obvious.

It would be better to have essay style questions but then support for
correcting and giving feedback becomes an issue.

So for a start I will look at Wilhelm's suggestions and see where it goes.

thanks,

On 3/15/06, Wilhelm Sanke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello Glen,
>
> You wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has used Revolution in creating
> >
> > 1. A multiple choice quiz stack?
> >
> > (snip)
>
>
>
> As an addendum to my previous post  three hours ago:
>
> You can find Steve Messimers "Preceptor Tools", which very much rely on
> the "multiple-choice" principle, here :
>  >.
>
> There is also a stack "Multiple Choice Questionnaire" in folder "sample
> projects" of the Revolution distribution. This stack might be
> interesting as an example how specific questions of constructing
> multiple-choice exercises are addressed and programmed, otherwise it is
> very much sub-standard. At best it could serve as a starting point -
> maybe it is intended as such - for developing exercises that are nearer
> to state-of-the-art and state-of-the-discussion standards concerning
> "multiple choice".
>
> As an educational format, multiple-choice is very much disputed and
> discouraged. Very often, multiple-choice exercises do not clearly
> distinguish in their objectives, e.g. are they intended for "teaching",
> "learning", or simply "testing"?
>
> More modern teaching and testing procedures try to minimize the role of
> "multiple-choice". Even the American SAT, which very much relied on
> multiple-choice, is slowly steering away from this format as it adds
> more and more essay and open-ended parts where you actively have to
> produce responses and not only  to recall and choose from preselected
> answers. So does the FCAT, the "Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test",
> which is applied at various grade levels in Florida schools and the main
> threshold you have to pass to get your high-school diploma.
>
> But designing multiple-choice exercises can be a nice programming
> enterprise; this is what I had in mind when I produced my
> multiple-choice tutorial. And, indeed, a carefully designed
> multiple-choice exercise can be useful as a *part* of more comprehensive
> teaching, learning, and testing strategies.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Wilhelm Sanke
> 
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: ANN: Displacement Scaling of graphic objects

[J. Landman Gay]

Jim Hurley wrote:


In the message box:

go url "http://home.infostations.net/jhurley/ScaleMe3.rev";


Oh my. To those of us who are math-impaired, this is astounding.

It is also funny you should post this right now, because just two days 
ago I was thinking how I would like to write a fractal generator, only I 
don't have the math to do it. I still don't. But if I did, I bet I could. ;)


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Re: Button Label on graphic button

[Wilhelm Sanke]

On Wed Mar 15, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto revolution at jaedworks.com wrote:

(snip)


For example, you
can enter
   4,20,4,30
to change the top and bottom margins.
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http://www.jaedworks.com




While this indeed puts the name/label of the button on *top* of the icon 
it is an awkward workaround with deficiencies (concerning the clickable 
area of the button).


Another solution would be to set the image/icon as a backpattern of the 
button, but this only is feasable for rectangular images, because the 
transparent parts of non-rectangular images appear as black when used as 
backpatterns.


In a number of (eductional) contexts it is necessary to decide upon the 
name/label of a button at runtime, meaning to produce pre-fabricated 
combinations of images with text would not be a possible solution - for 
example for matching or multiple-choice exercises.


We indeed need, in many cases, a feature where non-rectangular and 
partly transparent icons can be placed directly under the button name.


Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke



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Placement of Stack on screen?

[Garrett Hylltun]

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

Where and how do I control the placement of my stack on the screen?  I 
want to center my stack the first time the user runs my program, then 
from there on out, it will open where it was last when the user 
previously closed it.


Thanks,
-Garrett
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Re: Making the move...

[Chipp Walters]

Richard Gaskin wrote:

All that said, there are two benefits to Ruby:  most of the code you'd 
need is already written, and as open source it's all freely available.


But while Ruby may have some advantages, that doesn't make using other 
languages to generate DHTML interfaces impossible.



Taking this a step further, I'll close with an exercise for the reader:

1. Make a web app development tool in Rev for laying out and generating 
DHTML controls for web pages.


2. Now make the same tool in Ruby.


An interesting side note to all of this is that RonR really doesn't do 
much with DHTML and javascript...they leave that up to the AJAX 
developers. RonR is primarly server oriented, and only provides basic 
html scaffolding as UI. There are a few groups trying to paste AJAX on 
top of Ruby, but it's not that easy (yet).


Dan has first hand info on how easy/hard it is to deploy apps in RonR. 
I'm pretty sure one could right a framework similar to RonR in Rev using 
Rev CGI's but there's always the cgi performace issue. I think Pierre 
Sahores has figured out a way to use a single instance of RevCGI and the 
multiple port capabilites of PHP, though I don't remember the details.


-Chipp


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Re: Button Label on graphic button

[J. Landman Gay]

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

We indeed need, in many cases, a feature where non-rectangular and 
partly transparent icons can be placed directly under the button name.


You can put the name on top by setting margins too. Set the bottom 
margin larger than the top margin, and experiment with different 
amounts. I was just able to do it. The button remains rectangular though.



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Re: Making the move...

[Pierre Sahores]

Le 15 mars 06 à 23:22, Chipp Walters a écrit :


Richard Gaskin wrote:

All that said, there are two benefits to Ruby:  most of the code  
you'd need is already written, and as open source it's all freely  
available.
But while Ruby may have some advantages, that doesn't make using  
other languages to generate DHTML interfaces impossible.
Taking this a step further, I'll close with an exercise for the  
reader:
1. Make a web app development tool in Rev for laying out and  
generating DHTML controls for web pages.

2. Now make the same tool in Ruby.


An interesting side note to all of this is that RonR really doesn't  
do much with DHTML and javascript...they leave that up to the AJAX  
developers. RonR is primarly server oriented, and only provides  
basic html scaffolding as UI. There are a few groups trying to  
paste AJAX on top of Ruby, but it's not that easy (yet).


Dan has first hand info on how easy/hard it is to deploy apps in  
RonR. I'm pretty sure one could right a framework similar to RonR  
in Rev using Rev CGI's but there's always the cgi performace issue.  
I think Pierre Sahores has figured out a way to use a single  
instance of RevCGI and the multiple port capabilites of PHP, though  
I don't remember the details.




;)


-Chipp


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Re: Placement of Stack on screen?

[J. Landman Gay]

Garrett Hylltun wrote:

Rev 2.6.1

Greetings,

Where and how do I control the placement of my stack on the screen?  I 
want to center my stack the first time the user runs my program, then 
from there on out, it will open where it was last when the user 
previously closed it.


Initially:

  set the loc of this stack to the screenloc

Then trap the "moveStack" system message and set a custom property:

  on moveStack -- user has moved the window
set the cStackPos of this stack to the loc of this stack
  end moveStack

And after that:

  set the loc of this stack to the cStackPos of this stack

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3rd Annual Revolution Convention Returns to Monterey

[Lynn Fredricks]

3rd Annual Revolution Convention Returns to Monterey

Early Bird Discounts End May 1, 2006

March 15, 2006. Monterey, CA. RevCentral and Runtime Revolution Ltd,
announced plans for the largest gathering of Revolution users and developers
to be held in Monterey, California from June 17-18. This marks the third
consecutive year that RevCentral has hosted this event. Runtime Revolution,
Ltd is co-sponsoring the event.

In 2005, Revolutionaries converged on Monterey and enjoyed a two-day
gathering that drew nearly unanimous rave reviews. This year's conference is
expected to double the size of the 2005 event and will include two brand-new
features.

RevCon West 2006 will be held June 16-17 at the Monterey Conference Center.
Confirmed speakers include Trevor DeVore, Richard Gaskin, Ken Ray, Scott
Rossi, Jan Schenkel, Dan Shafer, and Chipp Walters. CEO Kevin Miller and CTO
Mark Waddingham of Runtime Revolution will also attend. The speaker schedule
will be updated over the coming weeks.

"RevCon West 2005 was a delightful and educational experience for anyone
interested in developing rich media projects, network solutions and
cross-platform applications for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X," said Kevin
Miller, CEO of Runtime Revolution, Ltd, "we are looking forward to being a
part of RevCon West 2006 in sunny Monterey."

Every attendee will also receive a free license of Revolution Media, a
feature rich tool for creating interactive media and software utilities.
Right out of the box it includes templates for creating kiosks,
presentations, adventure games, portfolios and more.

A new optional third day event will also be held at the Monterey Conference
Center. That post-conference gathering will feature in-depth technical
discussions of major topics of interest to Revolution developers, a "coding
kitchen" in which attendees will be able to work on their projects with
ready access to several top Revolutionary developers. An advanced technology
brief is also planned.

Also new this year will be a pre-conference tutorial workshop designed for
newcomers to Revolution and Revolution Media. The tutorial will be held on
Wednesday and Thursday, June 14-15, also at the Monterey Conference Center,
The first day will focus on how to design and build Revolution applications
and the second day will be devoted to learning the Revolution scripting
language.

The main conference will kick off with a jazz party Thursday evening,
admission to which is included in the conference fee.

The fee for the main conference June 16-17 is $299 (Early Bird Discount
price of $225 until May 1). The two-day pre-conference tutorial is priced at
$595, with an Early Bird Discount price of $449. The Post-Conference
In-Depth sessions will cost $295, with an Early Bird Discount price of $220.
Conference fees include all sessions, all handout materials, catered lunch
all five days, break snacks all five days, Internet access (T-1 wireless),
the Thursday Night kick-off party, and other conference giveaways. For
complete pricing, travel and sponsorship information, visit the RevConWest
website at http://www.revconwest.com.

About RevCentral

RevCentral publishes the widely read RevCentral Newsletter and acts as a
conduit for third-party Revolution products. The company was founded in 2004
by Monerey-based ShaferMedia and Austin, Texas- based Altuit, Inc. Shafer
Media publishes four books and eBooks about Revolution. Altuit, Inc.,
develop quality developer solutions for Revolution along with its flagship
product, the Web site development and  management system Hemingway. Learn
more about RevCentral at its website at http://www.revcentral.com.

About Runtime Revolution

Founded in 1997, Runtime Revolution focuses on bringing user-centric
software development to all major platforms: Windows, Macintosh, Linux, and
Unix. The company is based in Edinburgh, Scotland. For more information on
Runtime Revolution, please visit the company on the web at
http://www.runrev.com or http://www.tenthumbstypingtutor.com.


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Re: Making the move...

[Jonathan Lynch]

Couldn't a person build a Rev app that runs continuously, interpreting
information that comes in a various ports and returning the appropriate html
data as needed?

I mean, Rev can operate as a server. So, as long as you are willing to write
in all html formulating, it should be doable.
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Re: Button Label on graphic button

[Klaus Major]

Hi Jaqueline,


Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

We indeed need, in many cases, a feature where non-rectangular and  
partly transparent icons can be placed directly under the button  
name.


You can put the name on top by setting margins too. Set the bottom  
margin larger than the top margin, and experiment with different  
amounts.


and that is what we do not want to do.

We just want to place the text on top of an icon, without dangerous  
experiments! :-)



I was just able to do it. The button remains rectangular though.

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Regards

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de

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Re: Making the move...

[Pierre Sahores]

;)

Le 15 mars 06 à 23:59, Jonathan Lynch a écrit :


Couldn't a person build a Rev app that runs continuously, interpreting
information that comes in a various ports and returning the  
appropriate html

data as needed?

I mean, Rev can operate as a server. So, as long as you are willing  
to write

in all html formulating, it should be doable.
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[OT] Major Flood in Kauai - Swami??

[Stephen Barncard]

Our fellow Revolutionary Sivakatirswami lives in Kauai, HI.
I found out today that there was a major dam breach on a river on the 
north shore. I hope you're ok, man.


http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/03/15/hawaii.dam/index.html

sqb
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s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -
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Re: Making the move...

[Jonathan Lynch]

yeah, that's the idea...

Step three in my development of Task Mage will be to create a client/server
version, with a rev app managing the sharing of the tasks from various
server side Task Mages.
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Re: Making the move...

[Dan Shafer]

With the caveat that I am hardly a Rails expert and certainly have not done
a lot of work with Rev on the server side either, let me see if I can
clarify my earlier point here. I know that what I'm going to say is probably
so trivial to many reading this thread that it will seem like I'm just off
base, but I'm trying to make the issue I see really starkly clear.

With PHP or Ruby on Rails, a Web *app* consists of a collection of 1 or more
templates -- HTML files with embedded command and function calls -- that
execute in a server-side scripting language interpreter running on the
server. All Web pages with this embedded script code are run through the
scripting language interpreter on the server, where the command is carried
out and some content is generated to replace the command call before the
page is sent to the HTTP server to return to the client.

So for example (and I realize this is so simplistic that it may not be
sufficiently illustrative), in a .rhtml (rubified HTML) file, you might find
this construct:

It is now <%= Time.now %>

When this page is called from the client's browser, the Ruby method "now" is
called against the class Time (this is a class method), which returns a
string that replaces everything between the angle brackets in the Web page.
Every time that page is loaded, the method executes and the page is updated.
This is a direct call to the language interpreter, not a CGI execution (at
least that's how I understand this being handled). It is therefore blazingly
fast. We're not calling a script on the server and invoking a command or
function.

Now if I understand things on the Rev side correctly -- and there are a lot
of folks here who know more about this than I do -- the only way to get a
Rev script to run is as a CGI. That means, among other things, that you'd
have to minimally create a text file with a script called "on startup" and
save that script as an executable CGI script. So you'd end up dealing with a
text file, permissions, and an indirect call to the contents of the script
file to accomplish the same thing that one line of embedded Ruby code does
in RoR. Furthermore, the execution of that CGI script would require an event
to be sent via a form button or a JavaScript onLoad() command; it's not just
automatic.

I am NOT suggesting it would be impossible to remedy these issues in Rev.
Nor am I suggesting that the overhead of this processing is so onerous that
using Rev CGI solutions is impractical. All I'm trying to say is that there
is a pretty fundamental difference here between invoking a script language's
command directly and being forced to explicitly call a CGI function that in
turn executs a script command.

Now before you jump in my face again, go back and re-read the caveat at the
beginning of this message. :-)
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Re: Making the move...

[Marielle Lange]

Dan,

Simple: "A method for outputting Java byte-codes equivalent to  
MetaCard scripts has been designed, but implementation has been  
delayed until the serious performance, compatibility, and  
functionality limitations in Java have been rectified."

http://www.metacard.com/pi5.html

Then, you  can have a multiple export format, to java file, java  
applet, standalone for mac windows, linux, exactly the way they do here:

http://www.processing.org/
On top, that's free. Their GUI is limited but that's only version  
Beta. They announce a contribution from http://www.thbbpt.net/ 
interfascia/, to enhance their set of GUI elements. So you can expect  
it to improve in the future. I really invite you to have a try,  
that's a gem.


Alternatively, you can convert hypertalk to javascript: http:// 
lexnet.bravepages.com/HTMLJS.htm


Alternatively, you can convert it to a mix of xml and embedded  
script, compatible with one of these:

http://luxor-xul.sourceforge.net/
http://www.simkin.co.uk/

Or you can write an hypertalk interpreter in java: http:// 
boredgamer.org/HyperJava/. There is another guy with a version a lot  
more advanced than that (no, not freecard), but that's not on the web.


So many possibilities!

Marielle





Richard.

I *certainly* don't disagree with your response, but I'm earnestly  
seeking a
description of how you'd go about building an app in Rev that is  
entirely
deliverable via a Web browser, which is, I submit, the definition  
of a Web

application. I think that was the original point/question. Creating
thin-client Web appliances is amazingly easy with Rev. Creating  
CGIs that
run on a server -- including back-end database access -- is also  
feasible,
if somewhat limited in terms of performance (no FCGI support as far  
as I

know).

If this is possible, I'd sure like to know how to do it.

 


Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

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Homepage
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Re: Not connecting to MySQL 5

[Kay C Lan]

On 3/15/06, Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You need to use a login account whose password is in OLD_PASSWORD
> format. Rev can't do the newer format. See MySQL docs for info in the
> problems and common errors section.



The only thing I could find was the old_password variable, which default
setting was OFF. I set it to ON but it made no difference I still get the:

 "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server;
consider upgrading MySQL client"

message.

Any further help appreciated.
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Re: Not connecting to MySQL 5

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Check this from the MySQL website:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/old-client.html

Hope this helps,

Michael Reade

On Mar 15, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:


On 3/15/06, Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


You need to use a login account whose password is in OLD_PASSWORD
format. Rev can't do the newer format. See MySQL docs for info in the
problems and common errors section.




The only thing I could find was the old_password variable, which  
default
setting was OFF. I set it to ON but it made no difference I still  
get the:


 "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server;
consider upgrading MySQL client"

message.

Any further help appreciated.
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Re: Not connecting to MySQL 5

[J. Landman Gay]

Kay C Lan wrote:

On 3/15/06, Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


You need to use a login account whose password is in OLD_PASSWORD
format. Rev can't do the newer format. See MySQL docs for info in the
problems and common errors section.





The only thing I could find was the old_password variable, which default
setting was OFF. I set it to ON but it made no difference I still get the:

 "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server;
consider upgrading MySQL client"

message.

Any further help appreciated.


This thread:



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Faking soft dropshadows

[Ian Wood]

With the new import/export snapshot abilities in Rev 2.7, it just got  
much easier to do certain kinds of image manipulation, and I finally  
got around to making a stack that will add relatively convincing  
dropshadows to a copy any image, transparent or not.


Basically, it copies flat colour into the image, makes multiple  
copies of it with different opacities and positions, then groups  
everything together so that it can be exported or imported as a new  
image with full transparency.


In the message box:
go url "http://www.azurevision.co.uk/rev/dropshadow_004.rev";

An example output:


You can also change the colour of the dropshadow...

Have fun,

Ian Wood
Panoramic photography, from web to billboard, sunrise to moonrise
http://www.landmarksofbritain.co.uk
http://www.azurevision.co.uk


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Re: Not connecting to MySQL 5

[Kay C Lan]

Thanks Michael and Jaque the threads pointed me to the other problem I'd
created. As it was a new installation of MySQL I decided it was time to
update a few of the passwords! Martins solution would have worked if I had
not changed the passwords BEFORE I'd set the old_passwords variable.

Everythings back to it's usual rock solid performance. Now I can attend to
the 'reason' this whole process started; discovered 'subqueries' and figured
I could produce some pretty cool results, but I was running 4.0 and needed
to update to take advantage of subqueries:-)
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Re: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger

[Kay C Lan]

On 3/16/06, Stephen Barncard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an otherwise great
> OS?


You miss the most annoying feature of all. Spotlight is invariably WRONG. I
fail to find folders or files which blantanly exist. The number of times I
typed in the exact file/folder name and spotlight fails to find it is mind
boggling. It has nothing to do with permissions because I check. I can find
the file next to the one that is 'spotlight-shy' or find files/folders
inside the folder that is 'spotlight-shy'. I 'reset' permissions (because
they are no different) to the file/folder's neighbour, but it makes no
difference.

I've used FileBuddy for years and was thinking that it was becoming less and
less useful - little did I know.
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Re: Making the move...

[Dan Shafer]

Marielle

Wow. Thanks for all those cool pointers. I had no idea!


On 3/15/06, Marielle Lange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> Simple: "A method for outputting Java byte-codes equivalent to
> MetaCard scripts has been designed, but implementation has been
> delayed until the serious performance, compatibility, and
> functionality limitations in Java have been rectified."
> http://www.metacard.com/pi5.html
>
> Then, you  can have a multiple export format, to java file, java
> applet, standalone for mac windows, linux, exactly the way they do here:
> http://www.processing.org/
> On top, that's free. Their GUI is limited but that's only version
> Beta. They announce a contribution from http://www.thbbpt.net/
> interfascia/, to enhance their set of GUI elements. So you can expect
> it to improve in the future. I really invite you to have a try,
> that's a gem.
>
> Alternatively, you can convert hypertalk to javascript: http://
> lexnet.bravepages.com/HTMLJS.htm
>
> Alternatively, you can convert it to a mix of xml and embedded
> script, compatible with one of these:
> http://luxor-xul.sourceforge.net/
> http://www.simkin.co.uk/
>
> Or you can write an hypertalk interpreter in java: http://
> boredgamer.org/HyperJava/. There is another guy with a version a lot
> more advanced than that (no, not freecard), but that's not on the web.
>
> So many possibilities!
>
> Marielle
>
>
>
>
> > Richard.
> >
> > I *certainly* don't disagree with your response, but I'm earnestly
> > seeking a
> > description of how you'd go about building an app in Rev that is
> > entirely
> > deliverable via a Web browser, which is, I submit, the definition
> > of a Web
> > application. I think that was the original point/question. Creating
> > thin-client Web appliances is amazingly easy with Rev. Creating
> > CGIs that
> > run on a server -- including back-end database access -- is also
> > feasible,
> > if somewhat limited in terms of performance (no FCGI support as far
> > as I
> > know).
> >
> > If this is possible, I'd sure like to know how to do it.
> >
> 
> 
> Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist
>
> Alternative emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>
> Homepage
> http://homepages.widged.com/mlange/
> Easy access to lexical databaseshttp://
> lexicall.widged.com/
> Supporting Education Technologists  http://
> revolution.widged.com/wiki/
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Re: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger

[Thomas McGrath III]

I have HATED spotlight until this very second.


Ian, thank you. I can now look for just the damn name AND just one  
that I touched this past week.


AWESOME

Tom

On Mar 15, 2006, at 3:57 PM, Ian Wood wrote:

There are three main interfaces to Spotlight - the useful one and  
the other two. ;-P


The only one that's all that useful is the one you get when hitting  
Apple-F in a Finder window, which allows you to restrict searches by -

Name:Contains:
Last Modified:Within:Last Week
Kind:Others:Revolution Stack
etc.

Ian

On 15 Mar 2006, at 20:07, Stephen Barncard wrote:

Does anyone here know about a way to turn off all Spotlight  
activity and replace it with the the Panther style search?


I really, really HATE Spotlight. I just want to search filenames,  
not the content. In spotlight I get way more hits than I need. I  
design all my filenames to tell me all I need to know.


I also hate the way it anticipates my typing, as it blocks any  
other activity, and if you make a mistake, one is faced with the  
dreaded spinning beachball until it is ready. Finally there are  
hardly any adjustments in its panel to turn any of this behavior  
off. This thing blows so many HUI guidlines it's not funny.


Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an  
otherwise great OS?



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Re: [OT] Spotlight and Tiger

[Stephen Barncard]

so I took Andre's suggestion and build a little simple file search 
stack, using the Shell and a little Applescript.


Double clicking one of the returned lines will reveal the enclosing folder.
Just a dumb file search right now, and only works on the boot drive...

But I've already used it 6 times today...even limited as it is, I 
like it a lot better than spotlight!!


thanks Andre...

now I'll share it with those that want it:

run this in the message box...

go URL "http://barncard.com/search.rev";



On 3/16/06, Stephen Barncard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



 Is anyone else annoyed with this horrible 'feature' of an otherwise great
 OS?



You miss the most annoying feature of all. Spotlight is invariably WRONG. I
fail to find folders or files which blantanly exist. The number of times I


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