Re: Ruby Active Record

[Dan Shafer]

Thanks, Ken. FOund it. But at those prices, I think I"ll stay far, far away.
Yikes.


On 4/19/06, Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 4/20/06 12:50 AM, "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I don't see any support there for Revolution. Is it hiding?
>
> Click the Downloads link in the toolbar, then scroll down
>
>
>
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Re: OSX Appearance?

[Paul Claude]

Arthur, I've posted this some days ago.

---

Tired of manually copying the Plugins folder each time I test my app
building a new standalone, I've made a little script to automate this task.

Put it in a button handler, if you want.

on mouseUp
  -- put below your actual Revolution application path
  put "/Applications/Revolution Studio/2.7.0-gm-1/Revolution.app" into
revPath
  answer file "Choose your app to add plugins:" with
"/Applications/Revolution Studio/"
  put it into filePath
  set cursor to watch
  put "/Contents/PlugIns/" after filePath
  put "/Contents/PlugIns/" after revPath
  revCopyFolder revPath&"coreimage_support.bundle",filePath
  revCopyFolder revPath&"jaguar_theme_support.bundle",filePath
  revCopyFolder revPath&"panther_theme_support.bundle",filePath
  revCopyFolder revPath&"tiger_theme_support.bundle",filePath
  get the result
  if it <> empty then answer it -- some error?
end mouseUp

Greetings

Paul Claude




on 19-04-2006 2:24, Arthur Urban at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I almost hate to ask this, but I'm tired of digging through the docs
> today...
> 
> I just built my first standalone for XP and OSX. Under OSX, the app runs
> just fine, but the none of the controls appear in the Aqua style; looks
> more like classic to my eye. I built this under XP...what did I miss?
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Re: Ruby Active Record

[Ken Ray]

On 4/20/06 12:50 AM, "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> P.S.  Oh yeah, almost forgot to mention that FrontBase wrote a
>> plug-in for runrev compatibility.  Found it accidentally on their
>> download page:  http://www.frontbase.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/FrontBase

> I don't see any support there for Revolution. Is it hiding?

Click the Downloads link in the toolbar, then scroll down


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Re: Ruby Active Record

[Dan Shafer]

I don't see any support there for Revolution. Is it hiding?

On 4/18/06, Russ McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>
>
> P.S.  Oh yeah, almost forgot to mention that FrontBase wrote a
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Re: spread the word about the Rev beginners Workshop

[Chipp Walters]

Thanks Sandy!

BTW, for those of you who haven't seen the pictures Sandy took at last 
year's RevConWest check it out:


http://www.troutfoot.com/rev/index.html

Also, everyone who takes the workshop, gets a free copy of RevMedia! So, 
even if you know people who don't yet own Revolution, you can tell them 
they'll walk away with a toolkit and the knowledge on how to use it.


-Chipp

SB wrote:
Hey folks, spread the word about the RevCon West intensive 
pre-conference tutorial workshop on June 14-15 for beginners, or those 
who want a refresher course, with the great teachers, Jacqueline Landman 
Gay and Devin Asay,


I’m going to be taking this workshop, and want lots of good company.  
They have more info about it here— 
http://www.revconwest.com/revcon/About.htm


An enjoyable way to introduce friends to Rev too.

Sandy
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spread the word about the Rev beginners Workshop

[SB]

Hey folks, spread the word about the RevCon West intensive 
pre-conference tutorial workshop on June 14-15 for beginners, or those 
who want a refresher course, with the great teachers, Jacqueline 
Landman Gay and Devin Asay,


I’m going to be taking this workshop, and want lots of good company.  
They have more info about it here— 
http://www.revconwest.com/revcon/About.htm


An enjoyable way to introduce friends to Rev too.

Sandy
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Re: contextual menus on Windows - can't select items with left mouse button

[Sarah Reichelt]

> I'm popping up contextual menus in a mouseDown handler – like so...
>
> (much simplified)
>
> on mouseDown theButton
>  if theButton = 3 then
>  displayContextualMenu
>  end if
> end mouseDown
>
> on displayContextualMenu
>  popup btn "myContextualMenu" of stack "myMenus"
> end displayContextualMenu
>
> ...this works as expected, the menu pops up and you can select an item
> - well sort of, clicking the left mouse button has no effect whereas if
> you click the right mouse button the menuPick handler in the button is
> triggered and the handler proceeds.

Hi Terry,

I'm guessing that you want to use only right mouse button to get to
the popup? Because the "if theButton = 3 then" line restricts this to
right button only.

However if the problem is in the popup itself, check the
menuMouseButton property. I think it is best to set this to 0 in order
to get any button to work.

HTH,
Sarah
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Re: contextual menus on Windows - can't select items with left mouse button

[Terry Judd]

Doh - that'd be because the menuMouseButton property was set to 3 
instead of 0.


Terry...


Ello,

I'm popping up contextual menus in a mouseDown handler – like so...

(much simplified)

on mouseDown theButton
if theButton = 3 then
displayContextualMenu
end if
end mouseDown

on displayContextualMenu
popup btn "myContextualMenu" of stack "myMenus"
end displayContextualMenu

...this works as expected, the menu pops up and you can select an item 
- well sort of, clicking the left mouse button has no effect whereas 
if you click the right mouse button the menuPick handler in the button 
is triggered and the handler proceeds.


Clearly I want users to be able to make selections with the left mouse 
button as well as the right - as you can with any of the IDE stacks if 
you have the 'contextual menus work in Revolution windows' option 
selected in the 'General' panel of the Rev preferences window. So, 
what am I missing?


TIA,

Terry...

Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
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contextual menus on Windows - can't select items with left mouse button

[Terry Judd]

Ello,

I'm popping up contextual menus in a mouseDown handler – like so...

(much simplified)

on mouseDown theButton
if theButton = 3 then
displayContextualMenu
end if
end mouseDown

on displayContextualMenu
popup btn "myContextualMenu" of stack "myMenus"
end displayContextualMenu

...this works as expected, the menu pops up and you can select an item 
- well sort of, clicking the left mouse button has no effect whereas if 
you click the right mouse button the menuPick handler in the button is 
triggered and the handler proceeds.


Clearly I want users to be able to make selections with the left mouse 
button as well as the right - as you can with any of the IDE stacks if 
you have the 'contextual menus work in Revolution windows' option 
selected in the 'General' panel of the Rev preferences window. So, what 
am I missing?


TIA,

Terry...

Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA

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Unicode

[Nicholas Thieberger]

I am trying to enter Unicode in a field. I have set the 'use unicode' 
to true in a startup script as follows:


  set the useunicode to true
  set the textFont of field "Text" to "Gentium,UTF8"

This has the effect of making all the characters in the field appear 
in a Chinese script. This is not my desired outcome!


Any suggestions welcome!

Thanks,

Nick
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Ask Password

[Jeff Honken]

I have a user that is using one of my compiled .exe's.  He's running
WinXP Home addition.  He claims he can't see the password field in the
application.  None else has complained of this but He's described it to
me clearly so I believe him.  Does anyone know why he couldn't see the
password field but can see the text" Please Enter your Password" and the
ok and cancel buttons. I've compiled under 2.6.1.  I'm using:

ask password clear "Please Enter your Password"


Jeff


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Re: Shadow of menu pulldown...

[Gilberto Cuba]

From: "Mark Wieder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 6:36 PM



How I can hide the shadow of the stack that open when I click in a button
with style "pulldown".
I tried to put false the shadow property of the current stack that It 
will

show and not work fine. Why?


This works fine for me on both OSX and Win2k. What platform and
version are you trying this with? I thought maybe this was something
that just broke with 2.7, but it seems to be working here with that
and with 2.61 as well.


I'm trying in WinXP with 2.6.1 version of Revolution and not work fine.

How I can send a example of my stack when I have a example with .png images 
that customize the enviroment of menu?


Best regards and thank for your response,

Gilberto Cuba 



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Re: Setup a Scrollbar?

[Brian Yennie]

Hrm. Any chance it's a rounding / trunc problem? If so you could 
increase the "resolution" by jumping from a 0-100 base scale to 
something more like 0-10 to make the truncating negligible. How 
much is getting cut off / what are your actual values?


Just a shot in the dark...!



Recently, Brian Yennie wrote:


I think the trick is that you have to also increase the endValue when
you increase the thumbSize (not very intuitive, I know).


Thanks Brian.  Unfortunately, I'm still getting inconsistent results.
Sometimes the scrollbar scrolls correctly to the end of the field 
contents,
other times, the scroll falls short.  Not sure what's going on (bug in 
my

code, bug in Rev, incorrect proportion, etc).  I'll continue to try to
figure it out.

Regards,

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Creative Director
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Re: Setup a Scrollbar?

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Brian Yennie wrote:

> I think the trick is that you have to also increase the endValue when
> you increase the thumbSize (not very intuitive, I know).

Thanks Brian.  Unfortunately, I'm still getting inconsistent results.
Sometimes the scrollbar scrolls correctly to the end of the field contents,
other times, the scroll falls short.  Not sure what's going on (bug in my
code, bug in Rev, incorrect proportion, etc).  I'll continue to try to
figure it out.

Regards,

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Re: FTP Attempts

[Todd Geist]

Thank You!




On Apr 19, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Todd,

You cannot issue an NLST command with libUrlFtpCommand. Instead,  
you have to use the libURLSetFTPListCommand command.


libURLSetFTPListCommand 


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Re: FTP Attempts

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Mark,

If Todd were using active ftp, my first question would be "some 
reason why you're using active mode instead of passive"? I 
believe, default mode should be passive, because you can just 
keep port 21 open and don't need to worry about all other ports 
that would have to be open if active ftp were used. Only if the 
server makes


It makes perfect sense to combine port 21 with passive mode. In 
fact, there is no need to specify a port if 21 is used, because 
it is the default port.


I just thought I should say this explicitly, since there has 
been so much confusion about it on this list, lately.


Bes regards,

Mark

Mark Wieder wrote:

Todd-

Wednesday, April 19, 2006, 1:41:13 PM, you wrote:



ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNum
libURLSetFTPMode "passive"



Some reason you're using passive mode instead of active? I don't have
the time to look this up right now, but I don't think you can mix
passive mode and port 21. Other than that, does this work outside of
rev? Are there firewall issues?



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Re: FTP Attempts

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Todd,

You cannot issue an NLST command with libUrlFtpCommand. Instead, 
you have to use the libURLSetFTPListCommand command.


libURLSetFTPListCommand 

Once you have done that, you can retrieve a list using the put 
url command:


put url "ftp://user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/dir/"

Note the slash at the end of the address, which is necessary to 
see a list of files in a directory.


If you'd like to discuss FTP with me or other Rev developers, 
feel free to come by in ChatRev.


Currently, I'm working on an FTP client, called ecxFTP. I expect 
to release a public beta in a week. If you or anyone else would 
like to give the client a try, please contact me off-list.


Best,

Mark

Todd Geist wrote:

Hello,


I am trying the following script and I am getting an error.


ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNum
libURLSetFTPMode "passive"

get libURLftpCommand("NLST","ftp4.mysite.com: 21","",""")
put it into field 1

pass MouseUp
END MouseUp

-->   226 Transfer Failed!


Any clues for me?

Also if anybody knows where I can get some in depthe FTP examples or  
libraries that would very helpful


Thanks

Todd



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Re: Setup a Scrollbar?

[Brian Yennie]

Scott,

I think the trick is that you have to also increase the endValue when 
you increase the thumbSize (not very intuitive, I know).

Try this. Set:

startValue: 0
endValue: 100

Now scroll all the way down and check the thumbPosition... it's 67, not 
100.


So you probably want something more like:

endValue = 100*( (height of fld 1/(formattedHeight of fld 1 - height of 
fld 1))+1)

thumbSize = endValue *(height of fld 1)/(formattedHeight of fld 1)

For example, if you formattedHeight is 150 and your field is 50, you 
get:


endValue = 100 * (1 + 50/100) = 150
thumbSize = 150 * (1 / 3) = 50

And so you have a thumb which is 1/3 the height of the scrollbar - same 
as the field is 1/3 the height of it's contents.


Hope that helps - !

- Brian



Recently, Malte Brill wrote:


try:

startValue: 0
endValue: formattedheight of fld  - height of fld  - margins of fld 
(if

<1 no scroll)
pageInc: 1
lineInc: 1
thumbSize: 1


Thanks Malte -- this is pretty much what I tried.  My problem is 
getting the
thumb correctly sized so, for example, if the field holds 14 items and 
the
lines number 15, you get a fairly large thumb, instead of the tiny 
version

when its size is set to 1.  When I try this:

  set the thumbSize of sb myScroll to \
   trunc(endValue of sb myScroll*(height of fld 1/formattedHeight of 
fld 1))


...the last lines of the field are not accessible.  Guess I'm 
wondering what

the correct proportion is.

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
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Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future

[Bob Warren]

Mark Smith wrote:

>Why on earth is a mac mini three times as expensive in Brazil as in
the US? Is it Apple, local distributors  or some kind of tax? Surely,
if not a tax (in which case, it's not a question of business logic),
there's some kind of opportunity for someone there.

--
Just to clarify a little more (at the expense of bloating the UR-List a 
bit - sorry):


If I remember correctly, it was Apple Brasil's own recommended price 
that was about 3 times the US price originally. Of course, what taxes 
were invisibly embedded in this price, I cannot say, since VAT and stuff 
like that is never declared here.


And remembering a little better, I think that this price still held up 
until only a short while ago.


Could it be that Apple are at last beginning to see a little light with 
their very recent drastic price cuts here in Brazil? Or has the 
Brazilian government decided to punish Apple a little less? We may never 
know.


Bob

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Re: FTP Attempts

[Todd Geist]

Hi Mark.

On Apr 19, 2006, at 1:49 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Todd-

Wednesday, April 19, 2006, 1:41:13 PM, you wrote:


ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNum
 libURLSetFTPMode "passive"


Some reason you're using passive mode instead of active? I don't have
the time to look this up right now, but I don't think you can mix
passive mode and port 21.


I thought everything had to start with Port 21.  Then the passive  
Port ranges come into play later???


But even if I change to "Active" I get the same result



Other than that, does this work outside of
rev? Are there firewall issues?


Yes it works with any other FTP client.

Todd

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Re: Setup a Scrollbar?

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Malte Brill wrote:

> try:
> 
> startValue: 0
> endValue: formattedheight of fld  - height of fld  - margins of fld (if
> <1 no scroll)
> pageInc: 1
> lineInc: 1
> thumbSize: 1

Thanks Malte -- this is pretty much what I tried.  My problem is getting the
thumb correctly sized so, for example, if the field holds 14 items and the
lines number 15, you get a fairly large thumb, instead of the tiny version
when its size is set to 1.  When I try this:

  set the thumbSize of sb myScroll to \
   trunc(endValue of sb myScroll*(height of fld 1/formattedHeight of fld 1))

...the last lines of the field are not accessible.  Guess I'm wondering what
the correct proportion is.

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
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Re: FTP Attempts

[Mark Wieder]

Todd-

Wednesday, April 19, 2006, 1:41:13 PM, you wrote:

> ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNum
>  libURLSetFTPMode "passive"

Some reason you're using passive mode instead of active? I don't have
the time to look this up right now, but I don't think you can mix
passive mode and port 21. Other than that, does this work outside of
rev? Are there firewall issues?

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FTP Attempts

[Todd Geist]

Hello,


I am trying the following script and I am getting an error.


ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNum
libURLSetFTPMode "passive"

get libURLftpCommand("NLST","ftp4.mysite.com: 
21","",""")

put it into field 1

pass MouseUp
END MouseUp

-->   226 Transfer Failed!


Any clues for me?

Also if anybody knows where I can get some in depthe FTP examples or  
libraries that would very helpful


Thanks

Todd

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Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Hi from Paris,

Just a minor point about Brazil, apart from it being the most
fantastic country. Anything that is imported into Brazil costs
an arm and a leg, due to exhorbitant import taxes. The basic
idea is, Buy Brazilian (even when it doesn't exist).

I remember arriving in Brazil to do a 2 week course, with my
course supports, and (because I have had experience with
African countries) carrying 20 note pads, 20 rubbers - sorry
erasers !, 20 pens, etc. for my students, not forgetting the board
markers in many colours.

They were all confiscated, because I was told that "all these things
exist in Brazil, so go out and buy them". The customs even wanted
to confiscate 19 of my 20 course supports on the basis that Brazil
had photocopying machines !! BUSINESS LOGIC DON'T COUNT !!

Don't get me wrong, Brazil has more to offer than inconveniences,
and I love the place to bits ! It's just a way to promote local 
industry.
...   but then the protectionist activities of  other countries aren't 
bad

either 

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"


From: Mark Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Why on earth is a mac mini three times as expensive in Brazil as in
the US? Is it Apple, local distributors  or some kind of tax? Surely,
if not a tax (in which case, it's not a question of business logic),
there's some kind of opportunity for someone there.



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Re: keyDown message weirdness

[Devin Asay]

This is now bugzilla'd as bug #3537.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Setup a Scrollbar?

[Malte Brill]

Hi scott,

try:

startValue: 0
endValue: formattedheight of fld  - height of fld  - margins of fld (if 
<1 no scroll)

pageInc: 1
lineInc: 1
thumbSize: 1

Hope that helps,

Malte

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Setup a Scrollbar?

[Scott Rossi]

Is there a document/recipe somewhere to set up the properties of a scrollbar
such that its thumb correctly syncs with the scroll of a field?

I know I've done this before somewhere but for some reason I seem to be off
on a current project in how I'm figuring the start and end values.

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future

[Mark Smith]

Here, in the UK, the Apple Store offers that machine for 599 UKP,  
which currently is 1073 USD, 911 without UK tax. The US Apple Store  
offers it for 799 USD, so it would seem that Apple are charging UK  
customers a premium of 112 USD. We brits have complained about this  
for years, but to no avail.


I find it hard to believe that Apple are charging Brazilian customers  
a 521 USD premium, but you never know with Apple. Maybe they figure  
that only rich Brazilians can afford one anyway, and since rich  
Brazilians tend to be really, really rich, they might as well really  
stick it to 'em.


:(

Mark

On 19 Apr 2006, at 19:50, Bob Warren wrote:


Mark Smith wrote:

>Why on earth is a mac mini three times as expensive in Brazil as in
the US? Is it Apple, local distributors  or some kind of tax? Surely,
if not a tax (in which case, it's not a question of business logic),
there's some kind of opportunity for someone there.

--
In all fairness, I should tell you that I last checked the prices  
when the Mac Mini was first launched. I have just had a look at the  
current prices.


Just about the cheapest place you can buy a computer over the  
Internet is the "Mercado Livre". Apple Brasil themselves are  
offering the following Mac Mini there:


"Novo Mac mini 1.66GHz intel core duo/512mb/80HD/ Superdrive"

The price is R$ 2799.98, which at today's echange rate (0.471698  
USD in 1 Real, or 2.12 Reais in 1 Dollar ) works out at about $1320.


I should also tell you that Apple Brasil are also announcing other  
price reductions at the moment.


Greater elucidation, I cannot give you.

Regards,
Bob Warren

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Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future

[Stephen Barncard]

On comparing the 'Mac Experience' to Linux on an Intel box on price 
alone -- I can't believe some of the pros here can't tell the 
difference. And yes, UBUNTU is very good these days. Looks ok on a 
Mac.


But for me, it's not only the OS, but the quality of the hardware 
(not the lowest bidder). I don't have to screw with it to make it 
work, and it doesn't crash. For the most part, it all fits together, 
IMHO.


As far as price of Macs in Brazil; I'm sure that Brazil imposes 
severe tariffs placed on computers from the USA, and I think that the 
Brazil PC 'manufacturers' would get quite an advantage - even though 
made from parts from 'over there'.


Hell, I don't want to start a platform war on this list  - the thing 
is that Rev brings us together - and platform wars are boring and 
stupid.



sqb



Chipp Walters / Richard Gaskin wrote:


 Spoke too quick. Turns out the Mac Mini I was referring to was not a
 Core Duo but Core Solo. Bummer. So, now a 1.66Ghz, 1GB memory, 100Gb
 hard drive MacMini costs $959 (without tax). Add a OEM version of WinXP
 Home and you're up over $1000. I can get way much more down at the
 CompUSA for way less.



Or blow off both OS vendors and cut the price in half by getting just
about any Linux pre-installed system.



 Bummer, for a second I thought Apple had a product
 reasonably priced.



On what planet?

They didn't get the highest margins in the industry with the most highly
compensated CEO by looking out for the customers' bottom line.  ;)


And the price of the Mac Mini in a 3rd world country like Brazil is 
almost exactly three times what it is in the United States! In other 
words, it is only for a tiny affluent (or should that be effluent) 
elite. Unfortunately, within such business logics, the customers' 
bottom line is the very last thing to be considered.


Now do you understand why the drive towards (reliable programming 
in) Linux (especially in Brazil) is so imperative? We just want to 
live on the same planet, that's all!


Regarding the file/picture chooser widgets I recently produced, I 
even considered buying a Mac Mini so that I could help demonstrate 
the "cross platform" capacity of Rev by producing a Mac version, 
besides offering something useful to the Mac users themselves. 
Needless to say, that dream quickly evaporated, like many others.


Bob Warren


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Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future

[Bob Warren]

Mark Smith wrote:

>Why on earth is a mac mini three times as expensive in Brazil as in
the US? Is it Apple, local distributors  or some kind of tax? Surely,
if not a tax (in which case, it's not a question of business logic),
there's some kind of opportunity for someone there.

--
In all fairness, I should tell you that I last checked the prices when 
the Mac Mini was first launched. I have just had a look at the current 
prices.


Just about the cheapest place you can buy a computer over the Internet 
is the "Mercado Livre". Apple Brasil themselves are offering the 
following Mac Mini there:


"Novo Mac mini 1.66GHz intel core duo/512mb/80HD/ Superdrive"

The price is R$ 2799.98, which at today's echange rate (0.471698 USD in 
1 Real, or 2.12 Reais in 1 Dollar ) works out at about $1320.


I should also tell you that Apple Brasil are also announcing other price 
reductions at the moment.


Greater elucidation, I cannot give you.

Regards,
Bob Warren

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Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future

[Wolfgang Bereuter]

On 19.04.2006, at 07:16, Chipp Walters wrote:
Hi Chip,
I hape I can say it english as i could in german. Let me try:
I dont understand why you are whining so often about the Mac prices  
and the good old times of great tools. Anf praises the glory of Win  
all the time.



The computer I would get from CompUSA for less $$$ would have a faster
processor, more memory, and Windows Media (and remote). There are open
source or free versions of the other programs included. I can  
freely get
iTunes on my PC (I have it), and most companies ship some sort of  
lame-o

photo/movie editing package as well.


You have to calculate the Hospital costs to. Check real TCO Not only  
the barebone PC;) Because the eye cancer will come fast with the fast  
processor, Windows Media and mediocre PcBoxes, when you have to look  
at it all the day:



I remember the good old Mac days ,


why only remember?
Check what happens today!


with products like More
let us have a look at the Outliners, which I know much better than  
developer tools.
Today we have Mori. (I have more than 2000 Textmodule organized  
perfectly in a notebook) How would you do that in a Word Dokument, or  
2000 Dokuments?
Mori (former HBN) is so much better, so much easyier, so much more  
powerfull and so much cheaper than More...


the Win Users told me, nothing comparable on Win to:
Devonthink
Omni Outliner
Cp Notebook
Curio
Mellel
Nisus
etc, etc, etc, etc...
There is a lot I dont like at Apple, and I would like to see a real  
Linux competitor (like Dan Shafer) but there isn´t. (May there is,  
but I did not see it)


regards
wolfgang bereuter

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Thanks altPlugins

[Preston Shea]

I took your advice and downloaded the free altPlugins & altArchive. Works like 
a charm and is way better for my purposes that my now dysfunctional "Save 
As..."  Thanks so much for this terrific piece of software.

I also use the tm| family of plugins (align, gradient, color) which have a 
different although equally slick look and feel. They also improve my daily work 
with Rev. and I recommend them highly as well as the alt family.

Both these plugins seem of a different sort than the Photoshop plugins I have 
used. Where the typical plugin seems to add a specialized function or effect 
that is really helpful for a small subset of users, the RR plugins I've adopted 
take basic functionality to a whole new level of smoothness and sophistication. 
It seems as if Revolution 6.0 will have everything working the way these 
"plugins" do.

I mention this because I read with alternating bemusement and consternation the 
episodic flame wars about RR ltd. and this list. It seems to me that Revolution 
is a generation ahead (or possibly behind?) they mainstream software market 
aimed at the average user. Perhaps this is what Windows would be like if the 
courts had broken up the Microsoft monopoly instead of threatening a future 
slap on the wrist. Instead of a corporate monolith we have a fractious 
consortium of prickly, independent geniuses who get along because they have to 
but are lone eagles, not drones.

The disjunction between current business models and the human reality behind 
the Revolution community could be worse; it could also be a lot better. What a 
product Revolution would be if all the talent devoted to it were in harmony 
instead of the occasional circular firing squad!
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Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future

[Mark Smith]

Why on earth is a mac mini three times as expensive in Brazil as in  
the US? Is it Apple, local distributors  or some kind of tax? Surely,  
if not a tax (in which case, it's not a question of business logic),  
there's some kind of opportunity for someone there.


Best,

Mark

On 19 Apr 2006, at 18:40, Bob Warren wrote:

And the price of the Mac Mini in a 3rd world country like Brazil is  
almost exactly three times what it is in the United States! In  
other words, it is only for a tiny affluent (or should that be  
effluent) elite. Unfortunately, within such business logics, the  
customers' bottom line is the very last thing to be considered.


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Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future

[Bob Warren]

Richard Gaskin /Chipp Walters wrote:

>> Or blow off both OS vendors and cut the price in half by getting just
>> about any Linux pre-installed system.

>Yeah, let me know how Rev on Linux goes. I'm right behind the well-worn
>path you blaze!

Dan Shafer wrote:

>But as soon as Linux support for Rev is really there and a few
>other loose pieces drop into place, I'll switch in a red hot minute.

-
There is hope! (And I am in need of a little therapy.)
Thanks boys!

Best regards,
Bob Warren

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Re: [OT] Cringely on BootCamp's future

[Bob Warren]

Chipp Walters / Richard Gaskin wrote:

>> Spoke too quick. Turns out the Mac Mini I was referring to was not a
>> Core Duo but Core Solo. Bummer. So, now a 1.66Ghz, 1GB memory, 100Gb
>> hard drive MacMini costs $959 (without tax). Add a OEM version of WinXP
>> Home and you're up over $1000. I can get way much more down at the
>> CompUSA for way less.


Or blow off both OS vendors and cut the price in half by getting just
about any Linux pre-installed system.


>> Bummer, for a second I thought Apple had a product
>> reasonably priced.


On what planet?

They didn't get the highest margins in the industry with the most highly
compensated CEO by looking out for the customers' bottom line.  ;)


And the price of the Mac Mini in a 3rd world country like Brazil is 
almost exactly three times what it is in the United States! In other 
words, it is only for a tiny affluent (or should that be effluent) 
elite. Unfortunately, within such business logics, the customers' bottom 
line is the very last thing to be considered.


Now do you understand why the drive towards (reliable programming in) 
Linux (especially in Brazil) is so imperative? We just want to live on 
the same planet, that's all!


Regarding the file/picture chooser widgets I recently produced, I even 
considered buying a Mac Mini so that I could help demonstrate the "cross 
platform" capacity of Rev by producing a Mac version, besides offering 
something useful to the Mac users themselves. Needless to say, that 
dream quickly evaporated, like many others.


Bob Warren


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Re: quicktime sizes

[Wally Rodriguez]

Thanks to both of you with suggestions. I was not using a player in  
this project because it's not necessary to preview the movies, but  
maybe if it's hidden I can use one to get these values.


Much appreciated.

w.

On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:51 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:


On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Wally Rodriguez wrote:

I have an emergency request that I need to implement right away  
and I was wondering if anyone here might have a quick fix.


I need to be able to find out the height and width of a quicktime  
movie in order to generate an html shell to display such movie.


Is there a quick way to get this information without resorting to  
externals, etc.?


1) Load the movie into a player object
2) use formattedWidth and formattedHeight to get movie dimensions



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Re: keyDown message weirdness

[Devin Asay]

On Apr 18, 2006, at 9:40 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Devin Asay wrote:

> It's not the font choice that triggers the bug, but the input  
method.
> You would need to activate the input menu from the International   
system

> pref pane. Activate, eg., Cyrillic or Greek, then click in  your rev
> field and choose one of these languages from the flag menu.  Then  
watch

> the message watcher to see if the keydown messages  disappear. I'm
> getting this consistently on 2.6.1 through 2.7.x on  both a  
Powermac G4

> and G5 running 10.4.6.

I see. Okay, so I activated the international menu and activated  
Greek. Dragged a new field onto a test stack. Showed the message  
watcher. Choose Greek from the system menu.


If I typed regular characters I got all four messages. If I typed,  
say, Option-P (to get a pi) I got an optionkeydown message and then  
two "up" messages (rawkeyup, keyup).


Then I switched back to the US menu input via the system menu, and  
typed Option-P and still got an optionKeyDown and two "up"  
messages. Typing normal characters gave me all four messages.


So maybe it's the option key that blocks the messages? Seems to be  
the same no matter which menu input I choose. Maybe its an OS  
thing. I know that Rev just grabs whatever keyboard messages the OS  
sends, so it may be that the Mac OS isn't sending those.


Thanks for confirming and helping narrow this down. I'm going to BZ it.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: HTML Tables

[Jim Ault]

Here is one that used some RegEx that I sent to Eric Chatonet and he ramped
up to a real code function for removing tags.  Note that a couple steps are
commented out since the exact page you are trying to parse may or may not
need different treatment for spaces and returns.

Try this way, then tweak the "--replace" lines to see if that gives a better
result.
 start copy here
function StripTags pHtml
  local tRegex,tPrevText
  constant kHtml = 
"é,à,ç,>,<,ecirc;,è,©,•,',&m
iddot;,&"
  constant kConvertedHtml = "é,à,ç,>,<,ê,è,©"
  put kConvertedHtml into tempp
  put "," & numtochar(165) & "," & numtochar(39) & "," & numtochar(225) &
"," & numtochar(38) after tempp
  -
  --replace return with space in pHtml
  --replace return with "" in pHtml
  
  replace numtochar(13) with empty in pHtml
  replace tab with empty in pHtml
  -
  put replacetext(pHtml,"(?Usi)","") into pHtml
  put replacetext(pHtml,"(?Usi).*","") into pHtml
  put replacetext(pHtml,"(?Usi)<\?.*\?>","") into pHtml
  -
  replace " " with space in pHtml
  replace "" with return in pHtml
  replace "" with return in pHtml
  -
  put  "<[^><]*>" into tRegex
  put replacetext(pHtml,tRegex,"") into pHtml
  put replacetext(pHtml,tRegex,"") into pHtml
  -
  repeat until tPrevText is pHtml
if keepRunning is "false" then exit StripTags
put pHtml into tPrevText
put replacetext(pHtml," +",space) into pHtml
put replacetext(pHtml,"^ ","") into pHtml
  end repeat
  -
  replace (space & return) with return in pHtml
  replace (return & space) with return in pHtml
  filter pHtml without empty
  -
  replace """ with quote in pHtml
  repeat with i = 1 to the number of items of kHtml
replace item i of kHtml with item i of kConvertedHtml in pHtml
  end repeat
  -
  return pHtml
end StripTags
--- end copy

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 4/19/06 12:29 AM, "Bill Marriott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Forgive me if this has been "asked and answered" on the list before, but I
> think it's of general enough interest for me to post, in case someone has
> already invented this mousetrap.
> 
> I am wondering what the most efficient way might be to convert an HTML table
> into a Rev table.
> 
> The ideal solution would
> 
> - convert 's into rows and 's into columns
> - correctly handle (i.e., ignore) all of the various attributes that might
> be embedded within the table tags.
> - designed for data tables (not formatting tables)
> - work very fast
> 
> Ideas? Suggestions? Pointers?
> 
> - Bill 
> 
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Re: Selection of Icon from IconChooser within the script itself!!!

[William de Smet]

Hi Nitesh,

This is what I would do:
- load the images you want to use as an icon and group them (group "buttons")
- you can give each image a small script like (or make a group script):
on mouseup
  set the icon of btn "test" to 1010
end mouseup

When creating a new button show group "buttons"

Hope you can use this!

Greetings,

William de Smet (from a cloudy Holland)

2006/4/19, DAHIYA Nitesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi all !!
>
> I am facing a problem in my application.
>
> Whenever I create a button, I want an icon to be assigned to it.
>
> As of now, I am asking the user to enter the Icon Number to be assigned.
>
> What I want to achieve is that the user doesn't have to enter anything.
>
> As soon as he creates a button, an Iconchooser should appear (as it
> appears when we open the property inspector of a button and click a
> button just besides the Icon field) which shows all possible icons
> possible on that button. The user can then choose his preference and
> accordingly the icon of button is set.
>
> Can somebody please help and suggest a solution to this problem?
>
> Its urgent.. :-(
>
>
>
> Thank You
>
> Regards,
>
> Nitesh Dahiya
>
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Re: HTML Tables

[Bill Marriott]

Hey that's pretty darned good for off the top of your head! I make two 
changes. One is an adjustment to the regular expression to account for 
spaces before the < and after the > (so there is no junk around the tabs), 
and one is to fix a syntax error. (I hope I did it right, I'm not super 
familiar with regex's.)

Brian Yennie wrote

> ## get source from a field
> put fld "htmlSource" into tHTML
>
> ## translate end of row to end of line
> replace "" with return in tHTML
>
> ## translate end of column to tab
> replace "" with tab in tHTML
>
> ## delete all the rest of the html tags
put replaceText(tHTML, "\ *<[a-zA-Z/]+[^>]*>\ *", empty) into tHTML
>
> ## remove trailing tabs and trailing return
replace tab&return with return in tHTML
> delete last char of tHTML
>
> ## put it in a new field
> put tHTML into fld "tableField"



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Selection of Icon from IconChooser within the script itself!!!

[DAHIYA Nitesh]

Hi all !!

I am facing a problem in my application.

Whenever I create a button, I want an icon to be assigned to it.

As of now, I am asking the user to enter the Icon Number to be assigned.

What I want to achieve is that the user doesn't have to enter anything.

As soon as he creates a button, an Iconchooser should appear (as it
appears when we open the property inspector of a button and click a
button just besides the Icon field) which shows all possible icons
possible on that button. The user can then choose his preference and
accordingly the icon of button is set.

Can somebody please help and suggest a solution to this problem?

Its urgent.. :-(

 

Thank You

Regards,

Nitesh Dahiya

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Re: HTML Tables

[Brian Yennie]

Bill,

If you *just* need row and column data and no formatting, how about 
something like:

(warning: untested email code)

## get source from a field
put fld "htmlSource" into tHTML

## translate end of row to end of line
replace "" with return in tHTML

## translate end of column to tab
replace "" with tab in tHTML

## delete all the rest of the html tags
put replaceText(tHTML, "<[a-zA-Z/]+[^>]*>", empty) into tHTML

## remove trailing tabs and trailing return
replace tab&return with return
delete last char of tHTML

## put it in a new field
put tHTML into fld "tableField"


Forgive me if this has been "asked and answered" on the list before, 
but I
think it's of general enough interest for me to post, in case someone 
has

already invented this mousetrap.

I am wondering what the most efficient way might be to convert an HTML 
table

into a Rev table.

The ideal solution would

- convert 's into rows and 's into columns
- correctly handle (i.e., ignore) all of the various attributes that 
might

be embedded within the table tags.
- designed for data tables (not formatting tables)
- work very fast

Ideas? Suggestions? Pointers?

- Bill



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HTML Tables

[Bill Marriott]

Forgive me if this has been "asked and answered" on the list before, but I 
think it's of general enough interest for me to post, in case someone has 
already invented this mousetrap.

I am wondering what the most efficient way might be to convert an HTML table 
into a Rev table.

The ideal solution would

- convert 's into rows and 's into columns
- correctly handle (i.e., ignore) all of the various attributes that might 
be embedded within the table tags.
- designed for data tables (not formatting tables)
- work very fast

Ideas? Suggestions? Pointers?

- Bill 



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