date:20060626


J. Landman Gay wrote:

Richard Gaskin wrote:

Andre Garzia wrote:

I am a Enterprise licensee, I received Rev Media as a Freebie 
because  I went to RevConWest and I must say, I like it. I've already 
created  little adventures with photos that don't mesh well, created 
kiosks  for un existant things and am now playing on creating a 
portfolio for  my cat.


I am really enjoying this template thing, we should build more.


That would be cool, but as I understand it even the most experienced 
Enterprise developers are excluded from creating Media templates 
because of Media's unique file format.


If you mean the 2.7 file format on disk, Media can read any stack 
produced by any edition of Revolution. Enterprise users could write 
templates as long as they knew the specs for the template stacks.


Is the reverse also true, ie can Enterprise users edit stacks created by Media 
(and then have them read by Media again)?  (Albeit obviously in Enterprise the 
templates wouldn't be available, I imagine.)


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using sudo in shell?

The 'shell' command is a very useful extension to Rev's native powers. 
However, there are some things, at least on OS X, which I want to do that 
require the shell command to be issued in super-user mode.


Is there any way to make this happen?   If you are working in the terminal, 
you can issue the command as "sudo " and you will be asked for the 
password.  Prefix your parameter to "shell" with "sudo", and the result will 
be the single line prompt "Password:".


I don't even know if this is a Rev question, or a bash question, or an OS X 
question.  But does anybody know of a way that one can in effect pass a 
password to shell in this situation, or in any other way get round this problem?


TIA,

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Menubar Problems

2006-06-26 Thread John Miller


Graham,

Thanks for your response.  I have had no luck fixing my issues yet,  
but I am still working on it.


John Miller
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Re: cancel ftp

2006-06-26 Thread Dave Cragg



On 26 Jun 2006, at 05:42, stevex64 wrote:



Ok, with the help of some kind people here, I have my ftp client  
started and
it even works sometimes. But now if I start an upload then say by  
changing
something in my code I make the app stop working, when i get it  
running
again my URLStatus says qeued or booked. In this situation, or any  
situation

where a user would want to cancel the upload, how do i cancel it?


If your using one of the non-blocking commands (load url,  
libUrlDownloadToFile, liburlFtpUpload, libUrlFtpUploadFile) you can  
use "unload url" to cancel the upload/download.


However, if during development you've done something that really  
upsets libUrl (I can't think what that might be right now), you can  
use libUrlResetAll from the message box. This will reset all libUrl's  
internal local variables and close any open sockets.


Cheers
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Re: using sudo in shell?

2006-06-26 Thread Sarah Reichelt


On 6/26/06, Ben Rubinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The 'shell' command is a very useful extension to Rev's native powers.
However, there are some things, at least on OS X, which I want to do that
require the shell command to be issued in super-user mode.

Is there any way to make this happen?   If you are working in the terminal,
you can issue the command as "sudo " and you will be asked for the
password.  Prefix your parameter to "shell" with "sudo", and the result will
be the single line prompt "Password:".

I don't even know if this is a Rev question, or a bash question, or an OS X
question.  But does anybody know of a way that one can in effect pass a
password to shell in this situation, or in any other way get round this problem?


Hi Ben,

Here is how I do it (this example sets the system clock):

put "#!/bin/sh" & cr into tScript
put "pw=" & quote & tPass & quote & cr after tScript
put "echo $pw | sudo -S date " & tDate & tTime & cr after tScript
-- build the command lines, the command you need to run goes after the -S
put shell(tScript) into tCheck  -- do the command & get the result

You have to quote your admin password, but you can ask for that when
running the script, or store it in a custom property.

HTH,
Sarah
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Re: using sudo in shell?


On 26/6/06 10:57, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

On 6/26/06, Ben Rubinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The 'shell' command is a very useful extension to Rev's native powers.
However, there are some things, at least on OS X, which I want to do that
require the shell command to be issued in super-user mode.

Is there any way to make this happen?   If you are working in the 
terminal,

you can issue the command as "sudo " and you will be asked for the
password.  Prefix your parameter to "shell" with "sudo", and the 
result will

be the single line prompt "Password:".

I don't even know if this is a Rev question, or a bash question, or an 
OS X

question.  But does anybody know of a way that one can in effect pass a
password to shell in this situation, or in any other way get round 
this problem?


Hi Ben,

Here is how I do it (this example sets the system clock):

put "#!/bin/sh" & cr into tScript
put "pw=" & quote & tPass & quote & cr after tScript
put "echo $pw | sudo -S date " & tDate & tTime & cr after tScript
-- build the command lines, the command you need to run goes after the -S
put shell(tScript) into tCheck  -- do the command & get the result

You have to quote your admin password, but you can ask for that when
running the script, or store it in a custom property.


Thanks Sarah, that's excellent.  Completely solves my problem.

Playing around, I note that you can even use your trick as a oneliner, eg

put "echo" && quote & tPass & quote & "| sudo -S" into tSudoPrefix
put shell(tSudoPrefix && tCommand)

with the only apparent difference being that in the full version, the first 
line of the result is "Password:", whereas when I do it all one line, that 
password prompt doesn't appear.  Do you know if the one line version should be 
considered less reliable in some way?


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Re: using sudo in shell?


Sarah Reichelt wrote:


On 6/26/06, Ben Rubinstein  wrote:

I don't even know if this is a Rev question, or a bash question, or an OS X
question.  But does anybody know of a way that one can in effect pass a
password to shell in this situation, or in any other way get round this problem?


Here is how I do it (this example sets the system clock):

 put "#!/bin/sh" & cr into tScript
 put "pw=" & quote & tPass & quote & cr after tScript
 put "echo $pw | sudo -S date " & tDate & tTime & cr after tScript
-- build the command lines, the command you need to run goes after the -S
 put shell(tScript) into tCheck  -- do the command & get the result

You have to quote your admin password, but you can ask for that when
running the script, or store it in a custom property.


FWIW, I believe this only works when logged in with an administrator 
account.


I recently took the advice of some Unix security gurus and stated using 
a non-admin account for most day-to-day work.  While for the most part I 
barely notice the difference, I do find that things like sudo, which 
worked easily when I had used an admin account, now require me to log in 
as admin before I can execute them.


Thankfully, with OS X's "Fast user switching" it's not only easy, but 
with the rotating cube effect it's also fun. :)


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Re: How to search?

2006-06-26 Thread André.Bisseret


Hi Felix,
I had a similar problem, when programming my last stack, on Mac OS X,  
10.4.6; Rev 2.6.1


In this stack, I search the field of one card for all occurencies of  
a textToFind (one word or phrase), in this card only (in order to  
highlight all these occurencies).

Like you, I don’t want the "find" be skipping to next cards.
I remember that I tried « fld of this cd » but it did not work.

So,  thanks to several members of this list (specially Jacque Landman  
Gay), below is how I proceed.


Hope it helps

Best regards from Grenoble
André

1-ordinarily, all cards in my stack have their dontSearch  
property set to true
2-But for other functions, I need search cards : so I have two  
handlers in the stack script I can call when necessary :

(I translate roughly certains terms from french)

on permitSearch
 put the cardNames of this stack into cardsList
  repeat for each line tCd in cardsList
set the dontSearch of tCd to false
  end repeat
end permitSearch


on resumeDontSearch
  put the cardNames of this stack into cardsList
repeat for each line tCd in cardsList
set the dontSearch of tCd to true
  end repeat
end resumeDontSearch

When on the right card, my handler is :

on highLighting
   repeat
  find whole textToFind
  if the result is "not found" then exit repeat
  set the backgroundColor of the foundText to "Burlywood1"
   end repeat
end hithLighting

In order to be able to execute this handler on the current card only,  
I have 2 other handlers in the stack script :


on preOpenCard
  then set the dontsearch of this cd to false
end preOpencard

on closeCard
  set the dontsearch of this cd to true
end closeCard
 -

Le 26 juin 06 à 10:33, Felix Theissen a écrit :


Hi,

I have a problem, I want to search a shared field for
all occurencies of TextToFind.
But what happens is:
if I search with find chars, after finding all
occurencies of TextToFind in the first card it skips to
the next card and find the same TextToFind places
in the shared field there. Setting the dontsearch propertys
of all cards but the current one to true does not change anything.
How can I achieve my goal to search the shared text field
only in the current card?

Felix
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Re: [ANN] Language Software Developed in Rev


Thomas McCarthy wrote:

> Just thought I'd toot my horn. My publisher decided to
> start selling the  software I'd developed for my book.
> You can check it out here (I also taught myself some
> CSS while making the site.)
>
> It's all rev from start to finish--well actually some
> parts were done in MetaCard.
>
> http://www.discamus.com/nunc/index.html
>
> The software uses my rev PayPal system--which I've
> improved and will post soonish. It seems to be working.

Congratulations, Tim.  Good work!

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Re: U3 apps and rev


Jared Smith wrote:


For what it's worth, a U3 rep told me they have Mac and Linux on their
2007 roadmap.


Yes, but limitations are anticipated.  A lot of the folks who've been 
discussing U3 and Flash drives here for years before RunRev recently 
discovered them have looked into this before and can find no 
Apple-sanctioned way to auto-launch apps when a storage device is 
mounted.  Apple considers this a Very Good Thing for the reasons noted 
in those discussions. :)


So while some of the other benefits of U3 outlined at 
 are expected for all 
platforms, autorun isn't likely to be among them.


And interestingly, most of those benefits don't necessarily require U3 
hardware.


The U3 discussion forum has some interesting threads comparing the U3 
and non-U3 flash drive experience:



One FAQ that hasn't been addressed there is reinstalling the Launchpad 
app if the user has decided to ditch it.


If we decide to make a "U4" launcher and directory convention, one 
advantage (in addition to running on any removable media) is that it 
would be easily re-installable.


For those interested in exploring the idea


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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?


Jacqueline:

So, there is a way to create a viewable web presentation using Revolution
Studio?  If so, how?

Also, if one purchases the "Media" edition, he gets some goodies that don't
seem to be available with the Studio purchase, like the adventure game
stuff.  So, does one have to purchase both versions to get some of these
premade elements?  I'm confused and couldn't find the answers to these
questions on the Runtime Revolution website.

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Re: How to search?

2006-06-26 Thread Jim Ault

On 6/26/06 1:33 AM, "Felix Theissen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a problem, I want to search a shared field for
> all occurencies of TextToFind.
> But what happens is:
> if I search with find chars, after finding all
> occurencies of TextToFind in the first card it skips to
> the next card and find the same TextToFind places
> in the shared field there. Setting the dontsearch propertys
> of all cards but the current one to true does not change anything.
> How can I achieve my goal to search the shared text field
> only in the current card?

There a few ways of approaching your goal

One - just before the find step, put the short id of this card into targetID
lockscreen, push card, then do the find until the short id of the found card
is not targetID, pop card.  If you are using closecard and opencard
handlers, you may also want to set lockmessages to true so those scripts do
not get triggered.

Two - get fld sharedGuy, then do offset(string, it) until you have found all
matches in the 'it' container and made a list (I suppose)

Three - create fld tempHolder, put fld sharedGuy into fld tempHolder, find
loop, delete fld tempHolder  --this way the only place text occurs is on
this card.. temporarily

Why do you need to use Find to locate the occurrences in a shared field?, as
opposed to other locating techniques that don't navigate?
Is this field a list, a single paragraph, or a whole bunch of text in
paragraphs?

If it is a list, I would suggest you use the filter command .. like so

get fld sharedGuy
filter it with "*"& findString &"*"
--now you have all the lines that contain the findString somewhere
--or all the paragraphs that contain the findString somewhere

Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

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Re: QT jerkiness

2006-06-26 Thread Trevor DeVore


On Jun 24, 2006, at 6:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks Trevor,
Your suggestion immediately corrected the problem of jerkiness to QTVR
motion.   The only small change I needed to make in the script is  
to use "idleRate"
rather than "QTidleRate" since rev 2.7.1, which I am using, does  
not appear to
have a global property for "QTidleRate" and gives an error message  
when that
form is used. Is "QTidleRate" perhaps found in 2.7.2?   Thanks very  
much.

Steve Goldberg


The engine change log for 2.7.1 says that qtIdleRate was added as a  
new feature in that release:


the qtIdleRate
~~

You can set the global 'qtIdleRate' property to specify how  
frequently to idle QT movies. Use this in conjunction with the global  
'idleRate' to control updates of QT movies.


Revolution uses the following heuristics to determine how frequently  
to idle QT players:


If the version of QT < 6 then it idles at the qtidlerate at all times.
If the version of QT >=6 then:
  a) If no players are playing and none of the visible players have  
interactive movies assigned they are idled at the idleRate
  b) If no players are playing, but one of more of the visible  
players are interactive then they are idled at the qtIdleRate

  c) If players are playing then they are idled at the qtIdleRate

Interactive movies are ones such as QTVR and Flash that do not need  
to be 'playing' in order to require updates.



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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-26 Thread Dan Shafer

Greg.

I don't speak or work for RunRev and there's always the chance I'm just as
confused as you, but here's what I understand.

Rev Media is differentiated from Revolution in two primary ways:

First, as Jacque has already said, you can't deliver your Rev Media products
any way but using the free Rev Media Player.

Second, Rev Media comes equipped with four (for the moment) templates (more
like wizards, actually) that assist you in building specific kinds of
applications. You can do other things with Media but its primary thrust is
to focus on those template/wizards. Those assistants do NOT come with
Revolution, which is intended to be a more general purpose tool.

So I think the short answer is that if you wanted to use the Rev Media tool
to create, e.g., an adventure game, and then compile the result into a
standalone application or deliver it some othe way, you'd need both
products.

On 6/26/06, GregSmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jacqueline:

So, there is a way to create a viewable web presentation using Revolution
Studio? If so, how?

Also, if one purchases the "Media" edition, he gets some goodies that
don't
seem to be available with the Studio purchase, like the adventure game
stuff. So, does one have to purchase both versions to get some of these
premade elements? I'm confused and couldn't find the answers to these
questions on the Runtime Revolution website.

Thank you,

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Re: RevCon West - for free!

2006-06-26 Thread Dan Shafer

Judy..

If you paid for Sunday and signed the NDA, my guess is we can figure out
some way to get you at least the information from the presentation if not
the presentation itself. Contact me offlist about this.

On 6/25/06, Judy Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hmmm...

Kevin:  What's the going rate??

Judy
who was sitting in her hotel room waiting for the break job on her car
during Kevin's NDA presentation.

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Kevn gave two presentations at RevCon . His opening keynote on Friday is
in
> the video collection that Devin Asay will be marketing soon. His Sunday
> presentation was under non-disclosure and the video of it will NOT be
> released unless Kevin chooses to do so on a case-by-case basis for
specific
> purposes.

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Re: [ANN] Language Software Developed in Rev

2006-06-26 Thread Mark Talluto



On Jun 26, 2006, at 12:45 AM, Thomas McCarthy wrote:



Just thought I'd toot my horn. My publisher decided to start  
selling the  software I'd developed for my book. You can check it  
out here (I also taught myself some CSS while making the site.)


It's all rev from start to finish--well actually some parts were  
done in MetaCard.


http://www.discamus.com/nunc/index.html

The software uses my rev PayPal system--which I've improved and  
will post soonish. It seems to be working.



That is wonderful news!


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Re: U3 apps and rev

2006-06-26 Thread Dan Shafer

Clearly U3 is a marketing opportunity (if it's even that) and not a
technology opportunity. U3 is just another target platform for which you can
choose to compile your Rev apps. If there's anyone on this list who can be
characterized as paranoid and vigilant about RR losing its xplat focus, I
suspect that'd be me. And I'm not troubled by this move. Windows is
proprietary. So is OS X. Ultimately, we'll compile apps for handheld and
other devices, all of which are likely to be proprietary.

If you think a product you're offering is a great candidate for the U3
platform, you compile for it and deliver it. The fact that you use the Rev
compiler reduces the qualification period for your app from weeks to hours.
If you don't see U3 as a viable platform for your app, just don't check the
box. No harm, no foul.

And FWIW, I'm as confused about any other reason you'd adopt U3 as a
platform as everyone else here.

On 6/26/06, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jared Smith wrote:

> For what it's worth, a U3 rep told me they have Mac and Linux on their
> 2007 roadmap.

Yes, but limitations are anticipated.  A lot of the folks who've been
discussing U3 and Flash drives here for years before RunRev recently
discovered them have looked into this before and can find no
Apple-sanctioned way to auto-launch apps when a storage device is
mounted.  Apple considers this a Very Good Thing for the reasons noted
in those discussions. :)

So while some of the other benefits of U3 outlined at
 are expected for all
platforms, autorun isn't likely to be among them.

And interestingly, most of those benefits don't necessarily require U3
hardware.

The U3 discussion forum has some interesting threads comparing the U3
and non-U3 flash drive experience:

One FAQ that hasn't been addressed there is reinstalling the Launchpad
app if the user has decided to ditch it.

If we decide to make a "U4" launcher and directory convention, one
advantage (in addition to running on any removable media) is that it
would be easily re-installable.

For those interested in exploring the idea

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Re: teleprompter application- reverse text, smooth scrolling?

On 23/6/06 10:39, Sivakatirswami wrote:
> The problem comes if you are trying to  project the type  from a
> distance, then you have to use a really big font and text-height, and
> then the number of words-lines visible on screen drops dramatically, and
> you really need to crank up the scroll speed.  I couldn't find any way
> to get the thing to scroll fast enough-smoothly. A single pixel
> increment sent on a 1 millisecond loop, I believe is the smoothest you
> can get and the fastest you can get.

Is the problem that the text can't render fast enough, or that you can't make 
the timer fire frequently enough?

If the first - could you pre-render the text into an image (or a series of 
images, eg one per line, to swap in and out of a group) and scroll that?

If the problem is that the timer doesn't fire enough - ie, I guess, that 
although you ask it to call you back in 1-millisecond, more time than that has 
actually elapsed before it does - does "the idleRate" effect this?  Failing 
that, can you run your own tight loop, polling "the milliseconds" until it 
changes?  (I'm guessing you don't really need to scroll at faster than 1000 
pixels/second.)

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Re: U3 apps and rev


Dan Shafer wrote:

Clearly U3 is a marketing opportunity (if it's even that) and not a
technology opportunity. U3 is just another target platform for which you can
choose to compile your Rev apps. If there's anyone on this list who can be
characterized as paranoid and vigilant about RR losing its xplat focus, I
suspect that'd be me. And I'm not troubled by this move. Windows is
proprietary. So is OS X.

If you think a product you're offering is a great candidate for the U3
platform, you compile for it and deliver it. The fact that you use the Rev
compiler reduces the qualification period for your app from weeks to hours.
If you don't see U3 as a viable platform for your app, just don't check the
box. No harm, no foul.


I think Dan's comments bear repeating -- thanks for posting that, Dan.

From time to time RunRev adds support for OS-specific technologies to 
the engine, and those are generally regarded as good things.  Like 
support for the Windows Registry, OS X Drawers, AppleScript, and others, 
U3 support is just one more option we can choose to use or not as our 
clients' needs warrant.


Personally, as long as Apple's HIG continues to recommend disclosure 
triangles I don't ever see myself using drawers, since I can get the 
same benefit in a cross-platform manner with disclosure triangles.  But 
I agree with RunRev's decision to support drawers for those who want them.


I see the same thing here with U3.  It's a fun use of a Windows-specific 
feature (the autorun.inf file), and in more recent implementations 
they've added other goodies like device removal notification.  As long 
as those are available for us to use easily I see no harm, and certainly 
some benefit.



And FWIW, I'm as confused about any other reason you'd adopt U3 as a
platform as everyone else here.


U3 can be a valuable "also" for deploying portable apps.  The spec is 
supported by SanDisk and other major manufacturers, so if you're already 
interested in making apps for portable devices RunRev now makes it as 
easy to include U3 in your deployment mix as any other USB device.


Unfortunately the U3 group currently implements U3 support for 
applications in a way that makes it exclusive to their devices; that is, 
your U3-compliant app won't run from a non-U3 device, and non-U3 apps 
are not easily added to the U3 Launchpad.


But now that RunRev has made it trivial to support U3, you can make a U3 
version of your apps and a more generic portable "U4" version for 
everything else.  Given the exclusive nature of U3 this wasn't possible 
before RunRev's initiative, but now it's been made easy.


And whether your apps support U3, a more generic "U4", or both, the 
marketing muscle behind U3 has helped legitimize the concept of running 
self-contained apps from a portable device, which has helped increase 
demand for all flash drives, lowering consumer costs and increasing the 
variety of devices to choose from.  Since Rev has always made it easy to 
deliver self-contained apps, this growing market awareness can only be a 
good thing which especially favors us Rev developers.


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Re: Parameters of pending messages


On 25/6/06 19:42, Peter T Evensen wrote:
Is there any way to get the parameters that were passed to pending 
messages?


What I want to do is suspend pending messages when a stack is suspended 
and then reinstate them when the stack is resumed.  I just realized 
pendingMessages() only gives the message name, not any of the parameters.


Any help would be appreciated!


I think the best you can do is store the parameters (or whatever useful info 
you need to key on) in a global or script-local array, keyed on the message ID.


If you're doing this a lot, you might want to buffer it by using your own 
handler wrapped round the "send" command, eg


on mySend tMessage, tDestination, tWhen
  global gaMessageID2message
  do "send tMessage to" && tDestination && "in" && tWhen
  get the result -- should be the message id
  put tMessage into gaMessageID2message[it]
end mySend

Your normal use could be something like:

mySend "foo bar", "me", "3 seconds"

then when you're suspended, something like this
put the pendingMessages into gSuspendedMessages
repeat for each line tRec in gSuspendedMessages
  cancel message id (item 1 of tRec)
end repeat


and when you're resumed:
repeat for each line tRec in gSuspendedMessages
  put item 1 of tRec into iOldMessageID
  put (some calculation based on item 2 of tRec) into tWhen
  mySend gaMessageID2message[iOldMessageID], (item, 4 of tRec), tWhen
end repeat

NB all the above typed into email, not Rev, and some of it pseudo-code...

Obviously, depending on your actual situation you may be able to do something 
more elegant, eg if this only applies for something with a long and ugly 
destination expression, it might be easier not to have to make that into a 
properly quoted up string.


HTH,

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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

Dan:

I really like the wizard idea for putting together an adventure type game,
(which I would just use for fun), so I'd have to purchase Media for that.
But, I still don't understand how I would use Studio to put together a
"demonstration" type web presentation that would feature watchable,
interactive snippets of my educational content, made with Revolution. My
goal is to sell these interactive educational video modules, online, but
people just don't buy these things without an online sampling that they can
experience "right away", if you know what I mean.

As far as I have been able to assess, one would have to author an entire
"web application" to put actual Runtime examples online, not viewable in a
standard browser. But, I'm still confused whether such an application would
act as content, like Flash or interactive QuickTime, or whether it is an
entire, experiential web application.

For convenience, most people offering online training stuff require the kind
of portability that Flash or QuickTime offers, so that the content can be
viewed in a standard web browser . . . is that even possible with any
version of Runtime Revolution?

Thanks,

Greg Smith
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RE: U3 apps and rev

2006-06-26 Thread Lynn Fredricks

>  From time to time RunRev adds support for OS-specific 
> technologies to the engine, and those are generally regarded 
> as good things.  Like support for the Windows Registry, OS X 
> Drawers, AppleScript, and others,
> U3 support is just one more option we can choose to use or 
> not as our clients' needs warrant.

Good point, Rich. I don't think anyone would want RR to _not_ include a
feature just because it isnt supported on every deployment "target". Its
awful to think how low a common denominator solution Revolution would become
if that were the case. If operating systems were cheeses, why force everyone
to eat Velveeta?:-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd


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Re: RevCon West - for free!

Dan,

No, sorry I didn't make that clear (I did NOT pay for Sunday).

I was only making a perhaps bad joke that maybe Kevin can be "bought"
(although, if he could, and if I could, I woulda'/shoulda' just paid for
Sunday in the first place) @;-)

Judy

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006, Dan Shafer wrote:

> Judy..
>
> If you paid for Sunday and signed the NDA, my guess is we can figure out
> some way to get you at least the information from the presentation if not
> the presentation itself. Contact me offlist about this.
>
> On 6/25/06, Judy Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm...
> >
> > Kevin:  What's the going rate??

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Re: U3 apps and rev

2006-06-26 Thread Jeffrey Reynolds


Ok ill wear the question authority tee shirt today...

cheers,

jeff


On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:





I think it's a benefit to everyone on this list that you ask such


Seconded.

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Re: using sudo in shell?

2006-06-26 Thread Sarah Reichelt

On 6/26/06, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On 6/26/06, Ben Rubinstein  wrote:
>> I don't even know if this is a Rev question, or a bash question, or an OS X
>> question.  But does anybody know of a way that one can in effect pass a
>> password to shell in this situation, or in any other way get round this 
problem?
>
> Here is how I do it (this example sets the system clock):
>
>  put "#!/bin/sh" & cr into tScript
>  put "pw=" & quote & tPass & quote & cr after tScript
>  put "echo $pw | sudo -S date " & tDate & tTime & cr after tScript
> -- build the command lines, the command you need to run goes after the -S
>  put shell(tScript) into tCheck  -- do the command & get the result
>
> You have to quote your admin password, but you can ask for that when
> running the script, or store it in a custom property.

FWIW, I believe this only works when logged in with an administrator
account.

I recently took the advice of some Unix security gurus and stated using
a non-admin account for most day-to-day work.  While for the most part I
barely notice the difference, I do find that things like sudo, which
worked easily when I had used an admin account, now require me to log in
as admin before I can execute them.

Thankfully, with OS X's "Fast user switching" it's not only easy, but
with the rotating cube effect it's also fun. :)

I think sudo has an option to allow you to enter the name of the user
you want to use. I don't know the exact syntax, but open the Terminal
and type "man sudo".

Cheers,
Sarah

P.S. Ben, I don't see anything wrong with the one liner.
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Re: U3 apps and rev

2006-06-26 Thread Martin Baxter

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

 If operating systems were cheeses, why force everyone

to eat Velveeta?:-)

Dear sir, this may well be so for all I know, but this statement sets a 
dangerous precedent.

On 01/07/2005 13:12 Heather Nagey wrote:
> Dear list members,
> As we
> all know, religion, politics and cheese are all off topic and
> inappropriate to this list.
>

IMO there are very good historical reasons for the [dairy product] rule. 
Let's not go there again. :-)

Martin Baxter

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Maximum image size

2006-06-26 Thread Sarah Reichelt


A while ago, someone (Richard?) was discussing the limits on an image
size to be displayed in Rev. I have a rather crude function for
deciding this, so would now like to replace it with a more exact
calculation but I can't find this info in the docs or in the list
archives.

Does anyone know where I can find it, or does anyone still have the post?

TIA,
Sarah
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Re: U3 apps and rev - forbidden list topics

2006-06-26 Thread Bill

Thank you for pointing that out. You don't know what consternation and
stress even that small mention of chse has done to me and my peace of
mind (and I'm sure many others out there who normally lurk and our now madly
typing their complaints).


On 6/26/06 3:04 PM, "Martin Baxter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>>>  If operating systems were cheeses, why force everyone
>> to eat Velveeta?:-)
>> 
> 
> Dear sir, this may well be so for all I know, but this statement sets a
> dangerous precedent.
> 
> On 01/07/2005 13:12 Heather Nagey wrote:
>> Dear list members,
>> As we
>> all know, religion, politics and cheese are all off topic and
>> inappropriate to this list.
>> 
> 
> IMO there are very good historical reasons for the [dairy product] rule.
> Let's not go there again. :-)
> 
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How do I abort a handler in OS X???

2006-06-26 Thread Jim Carwardine

Hi Folks... I've just upgraded to Rev 2.7.2 in OS X and can't seem to get
command/period to abort a handler in an infinite repeat loop.  It that only
a Classic function?  How do I do it in OS X?  I can't look it up in the rev
docs because my IDE is busy inside my repeat loop which I can't abort.  I'd
like to be able to save the script changes so I don't want to force quit.

How do I abort a handler?  Jim
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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???

2006-06-26 Thread Mark Talluto



On Jun 26, 2006, at 12:22 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote:

Hi Folks... I've just upgraded to Rev 2.7.2 in OS X and can't seem  
to get
command/period to abort a handler in an infinite repeat loop.  It  
that only
a Classic function?  How do I do it in OS X?  I can't look it up in  
the rev
docs because my IDE is busy inside my repeat loop which I can't  
abort.  I'd
like to be able to save the script changes so I don't want to force  
quit.


How do I abort a handler?


exit handerName

In some cases, you might want to:  exit to top


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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???

2006-06-26 Thread Jim Carwardine

No, I need to physically abort it.  I can't change the code when it is
executing... Jim

on 6/26/06 4:24 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:

> 
> On Jun 26, 2006, at 12:22 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks... I've just upgraded to Rev 2.7.2 in OS X and can't seem
>> to get
>> command/period to abort a handler in an infinite repeat loop.  It
>> that only
>> a Classic function?  How do I do it in OS X?  I can't look it up in
>> the rev
>> docs because my IDE is busy inside my repeat loop which I can't
>> abort.  I'd
>> like to be able to save the script changes so I don't want to force
>> quit.
>> 
>> How do I abort a handler?
> 
> exit handerName
> 
> In some cases, you might want to:  exit to top
> 
> 
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The qtIdleRate

2006-06-26 Thread Stgoldberg

On rechecking, I was using Rev 2.7.0 to test the stack, rather than 2.7.1. 
The qtIdleRate appears in 2.7.1, exactly as you say. I love this forum!   
Thanks 
for the really helpful advice, Trevor.
Steve Goldberg

In a message dated 6/26/06 12:59:43 PM, Trevor Devore writes:
> The engine change log for 2.7.1 says that qtIdleRate was added as a 
> new feature in that release:
> 

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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???

2006-06-26 Thread Mark Talluto

Oh.  Sorry.  On a Mac you hit the command & period button.  I am not  
sure what the key presses are for Windows.  I am sure someone here  
knows.


-Mark Talluto

On Jun 26, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote:


No, I need to physically abort it.  I can't change the code when it is
executing... Jim

on 6/26/06 4:24 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:



On Jun 26, 2006, at 12:22 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote:


Hi Folks... I've just upgraded to Rev 2.7.2 in OS X and can't seem
to get
command/period to abort a handler in an infinite repeat loop.  It
that only
a Classic function?  How do I do it in OS X?  I can't look it up in
the rev
docs because my IDE is busy inside my repeat loop which I can't
abort.  I'd
like to be able to save the script changes so I don't want to force
quit.

How do I abort a handler?


exit handerName

In some cases, you might want to:  exit to top


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Revolution CGI error

2006-06-26 Thread callum brines


Hi Dan

Thanks for replying. Logged in as sysop I get exactly the same error.

I’ll keep trying - maybe play with different permissions options -  
and keep you posted.


If anyone else has any suggestions I’d be grateful. I’ve been happy  
working with Hypercard and now Revolution for many years now and  
don’t want to have to learn PERL to run the backend of my website  
projects.


Thanks again.

Callum




On 6/25/06, Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote


Sounds like a permissions problem. Are you logged in as sysop on  
your OS X

box when you try this?

On 6/24/06, callum brines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all

Just getting starting using Rev for CGIs on Mac OS X 10.4.6. I have
followed Jacqueline Landman Gay's invaluable CGI tutorial but when I
run a simple script Safari returns an "internal Server error" and in
the console I get the following message:

"kCGErrorRangeCheck: Window Server communications from outside of
session allowed for root and console user only".

Stumped.

Any help much appreciated.

Callum

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Re: OT: Win virtualization with Parallels?

--- Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I noticed at Revcon that one or more presenters used
> Parallels
> (virtualization product) to show Windows stuff on an
> Intel Mac. Can
> anyone comment on how well Parallels works, or if
> there's a better way
> to go? I'm thinking of taking the plunge but wanted
> to 'consult my
> sources' first.
> 
> Thanks -
> Phil Davis
> 

Hi Phil,

At RevConWest I was using Parallels + Win2K to show
some parts of my presentation material on Windows -
and I must say I'm pleasantly surprised with the
performance of what was at the time RC21.
In my experience, it works like a charm - though your
mileage may vary as its support for USB was not
complete according to the latest messages on the Net.

Probably a little late if you've already bought it,
but I thought I'd share my impressions nonetheless...

Jan Schenkel.

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Re: Revolution CGI error

--- callum brines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Just getting starting using Rev for CGIs on Mac OS X
> 10.4.6. I have  
> followed Jacqueline Landman Gayï¿½s invaluable CGI
> tutorial but when I  
> run a simple script Safari returns an "internal
> Server error" and in  
> the console I get the following message:
> 
> "kCGErrorRangeCheck: Window Server communications
> from outside of  
> session allowed for root and console user only".
> 
> Stumped.
> 
> Any help much appreciated.
> 
> Callum
> 

Hi Callum,

So far I haven't seen that particular error ; does it
appear in the 'general' console, or is this error
written to the httpd error log?

In the Console app, click the 'Logs' button, then use
the treeview to find the httpd error log in
/var/log/httpd/error_log

Anyone interested in running Rev CGI under MacOSX is
invited to take a look at the forum topic:

Dave Cragg and I got it running on both PowerPC and
Intel Macs, so I'm sure you can too :-)

Best regards,

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Re: OT: Win virtualization with Parallels?

2006-06-26 Thread Phil Davis


Hi Jan,

Thanks - it'll be a week or two before I have time to mess with it, so 
your feedback is quite welcome!


Phil


Jan Schenkel wrote:

--- Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I noticed at Revcon that one or more presenters used
Parallels



Probably a little late if you've already bought it,
but I thought I'd share my impressions nonetheless...

Jan Schenkel.
  

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Re: How to use externals

--- Rob Beynon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I need to be able to call an external .exe file (XP)
> from a Rev stack.
> Can anyone point me in the right direction, and
> ideally, show me where
> in the documentation I need to go to sort this out
> for myself. I'm not
> sure what the 'trigger' word is: 'external'? Thus
> far I can't seem to
> find a simple example or guidance. Much appreciated,
> as ever. I know I
> am a net receiver on this list, but hope that will
> change in the
> fullness of time.
> 
> -- 
> All best wishes,
> Rob
> 

Hi Rob,

Klaus already mentioned the 'launch' and 'open
process' commands ; in addition, you can also run the
executable using the 'shell' function.
This way, if the target app is a command-line tool,
you can read back the result of calling the executable
as written to 'stdout'.
Please note that using the 'shell' function will block
your application until the .exe has finished running.

Hope this helped,

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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???

2006-06-26 Thread Mark Smith


Sadly, cmd-period doesn't seem to do it. I'm on OS X.

I've adopted the habit of putting "if the optionKey is dwon then exit  
to top" at the start of the loop until I've debugged it enough to be  
sure it isn't going to be infinite...which is no help at all in your  
current predicament. You could try cmd-S before you force quit. I  
seem to remember that it actually worked one time, but I could be wrong.


Best,

Mark


On 26 Jun 2006, at 20:22, Jim Carwardine wrote:

Hi Folks... I've just upgraded to Rev 2.7.2 in OS X and can't seem  
to get
command/period to abort a handler in an infinite repeat loop.  It  
that only
a Classic function?  How do I do it in OS X?  I can't look it up in  
the rev
docs because my IDE is busy inside my repeat loop which I can't  
abort.  I'd
like to be able to save the script changes so I don't want to force  
quit.


How do I abort a handler?  Jim
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Re: Revcon West

--- AJ4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> RevCon was the best!
> 
> Thanks to everyone who worked so hard to make it
> happen.
> 
> Sandy
> 

Perhaps a tad late, but neverthrless I'd like to chime
in with my thanks to Dan and Chipp, who did one heck
of a job to keep the conference running smoothly.
As well as a happy wave to all the others there who
were so eager to share their experiences with our
beloved development tool.
Enough for me to munge for the coming months - a
wonderful experience that I hope to relive year after
year from now on :-)

Best regards,

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RE: U3 apps and rev

2006-06-26 Thread Lynn Fredricks

> Dear sir, this may well be so for all I know, but this 
> statement sets a dangerous precedent.
> 
> On 01/07/2005 13:12 Heather Nagey wrote:
>  > Dear list members,
>  > As we
>  > all know, religion, politics and cheese are all off topic 
> and  > inappropriate to this list.
>  >
> 
> IMO there are very good historical reasons for the [dairy 
> product] rule. 
> Let's not go there again. :-)

Oops, sorry - Its very sensitive, I forgot - from the CheeseGate break-in in
the '70s to the more recent Operation Cheddar Storm :-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
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Re: U3 apps and rev

2006-06-26 Thread Martin Baxter

Lynn Fredricks wrote:
Dear sir, this may well be so for all I know, but this 
statement sets a dangerous precedent.

On 01/07/2005 13:12 Heather Nagey wrote:
 > Dear list members,
 > As we
 > all know, religion, politics and cheese are all off topic 
and  > inappropriate to this list.

 >

IMO there are very good historical reasons for the [dairy 
product] rule. 
Let's not go there again. :-)

Oops, sorry - Its very sensitive, I forgot - from the CheeseGate break-in in
the '70s to the more recent Operation Cheddar Storm :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks

I felt sure it had to be an innocent slip. It's so easily done. And I 
shall gloss over the fact that you just did it again. :-)

Martin Baxter

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Re: U3 apps and rev

Martin Baxter wrote:

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

 If operating systems were cheeses, why force everyone

to eat Velveeta?:-)

Dear sir, this may well be so for all I know, but this statement sets a 
dangerous precedent.

On 01/07/2005 13:12 Heather Nagey wrote:
 > Dear list members,
 > As we
 > all know, religion, politics and cheese are all off topic and
 > inappropriate to this list.
 >

IMO there are very good historical reasons for the [dairy product] rule. 
Let's not go there again. :-)

Lynn was not on the list when the [dairy product] rule was implemented, 
so he must be forgiven for his transgression. But if he brings it up 
again, it would be Gouda to hit him with a Brick.

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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???


Jim Carwardine wrote:

Hi Folks... I've just upgraded to Rev 2.7.2 in OS X and can't seem to get
command/period to abort a handler in an infinite repeat loop.  It that only
a Classic function?  How do I do it in OS X?  I can't look it up in the rev
docs because my IDE is busy inside my repeat loop which I can't abort.  I'd
like to be able to save the script changes so I don't want to force quit.

How do I abort a handler?  Jim


You've probably already force-quit by now, but just for the record, you 
can't get out of one of these and force-quitting is about all you can 
do. This has hit me many times, and now I am (almost) in the habit of 
inserting a line like this into every new repeat loop I write:


  if the shiftkey is down then exit repeat

Once I know the thing works okay, I generally take the line out. But it 
has saved me multiple times.


For some reason, Command-period can't break into a repeat loop. I think 
the engine runs those as fast as it can without checking the keyboard 
input. You might want to Bugzilla this, because it happens a lot.


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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?


GregSmith wrote:


For convenience, most people offering online training stuff require the kind
of portability that Flash or QuickTime offers, so that the content can be
viewed in a standard web browser . . .  is that even possible with any
version of Runtime Revolution?


Not per se. Rev doesn't have a browser plug-in, which is what you'd need 
in order to present stack content. You can write a CGI that takes a 
picture of a card and returns it to the browser for viewing, but if you 
want interactivity, that method doesn't work very well.


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Re: about media...


Ben Rubinstein wrote:

Is the reverse also true, ie can Enterprise users edit stacks created by 
Media (and then have them read by Media again)? 


Yes.

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Re: How do I abort a handler in OS X???

2006-06-26 Thread Jim Carwardine

Yes, that's my problem... Cmd-period didn't work... And there appears to be
no substitution remedy.  I was developing a script and wanted to test a
piece of logic inside a repeat loop so I put in an answer variable line as I
always do.  Then I got an answer dialogue with each iteration of about 1500
iterations which was impossible when I couldn't abort the handler.  BTW
cmd/s doesn't work either... Jim

on 6/26/06 4:59 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> Sadly, cmd-period doesn't seem to do it. I'm on OS X.
> 
> I've adopted the habit of putting "if the optionKey is dwon then exit
> to top" at the start of the loop until I've debugged it enough to be
> sure it isn't going to be infinite...which is no help at all in your
> current predicament. You could try cmd-S before you force quit. I
> seem to remember that it actually worked one time, but I could be wrong.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> On 26 Jun 2006, at 20:22, Jim Carwardine wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks... I've just upgraded to Rev 2.7.2 in OS X and can't seem
>> to get
>> command/period to abort a handler in an infinite repeat loop.  It
>> that only
>> a Classic function?  How do I do it in OS X?  I can't look it up in
>> the rev
>> docs because my IDE is busy inside my repeat loop which I can't
>> abort.  I'd
>> like to be able to save the script changes so I don't want to force
>> quit.
>> 
>> How do I abort a handler?  Jim
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Re: Application Icon

2006-06-26 Thread Thomas Cole

Mark etc.

I've been away from the list. Yes, I wanted application icons. Does the
new studio have paint tools? I haven't developed in it yet; I've just
made standalones by importing my files. Would the graphics be saveable
as .icns and .ico? By the way, once you save your old file under the new
studio 2.7, the old 2.1 can't open it anymore (at least I think), so you
lose the ability to save a standalone as a MacOS9. Good thing I have
back-ups.

I will look and see about the ability to paint in Studio.

Tom

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Re: Cannot run Studio 2.7.2

2006-06-26 Thread Camm29

Still having problems with running 2.7.2

When Revolution 2.7.2 is started then all i get is "Revolution Product
Activation" in a small window that cannot be resized.

Does anybody have any idea 

Regards
Camm

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To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Cannot run Studio 2.7.2


> Install and uninstall of Rev 2.7.x is still really work in progress as far
> as I can tell. I've done the trial of each revision and it has never
worked
> right.
>
> You need to go into the C:\Program Files\Revolution... folder and find the
> right .EXE file.
>
> "Camm29" wrote:
> >  Trying to install Studio 2.7.2 It goes through all the install but
> > "Revolution.exe" missing ?
>
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Re: about media...


J. Landman Gay wrote:

Ben Rubinstein wrote:

Is the reverse also true, ie can Enterprise users edit stacks created by 
Media (and then have them read by Media again)? 


Yes.



I'm confused:  I thought the idea with the file format change was to 
prevent Media people from handing their stacks to owners of Studio and 
Enterprise to make standalones from them.


Enterprise and Studio use the same format, so if those products can both 
read and write Media stacks what's the point?


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Re: about media...

2006-06-26 Thread simplsol


Richard, Richard, Richard,
Obviously you know nothing about marketing.
What the Rev. team has done is take Studio, remove the standalone 
builder, add a bunch of exclusive templates (not even available on the 
ultra premium Rev Enterprise), and reduce the price by $200.
If you can't see the briliance in that, you should just stick with 
programming ;-)

Paul Looney

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Subject: Re: about media...

  J. Landman Gay wrote: 
> Ben Rubinstein wrote: 
 > >> Is the reverse also true, ie can Enterprise users edit stacks 
created by >> Media (and then have them read by Media again)? > > Yes. 

 
 I'm confused: I thought the idea with the file format change was to 
prevent Media people from handing their stacks to owners of Studio and 
Enterprise to make standalones from them. 

 
 Enterprise and Studio use the same format, so if those products can 
both read and write Media stacks what's the point? 

 
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OT: looking for Revolution programmers

2006-06-26 Thread Josh Mellicker

My company, DVcreators.net, is starting a software division to create  
and market software to our customer base of over 100,000 video  
producers.


We are looking for either:

1. One dedicated, fulltime programmer/division head

or

2. A group of freelancers who wish to participate, by creating  
specific parts of a software project



Please email me offlist if you are interested in finding out more  
about either of these opportunities.



Thanks,

Josh

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Re: Slightly OT : forums

2006-06-26 Thread Josh Mellicker

Here are some sample resources I put up:

1. Wordpress with the awesome K2 theme:

http://revcoders.org/this-is-the-awesome-k2-theme-for-wordpress/

This is a simple, elegant, yet powerful system.

Benefits:

* could be a wiki, with shared pages, edited by all
* each developer can have their own blog
* news
* FAQs
* can be extensively customized
* AJAX powered fast search
* fast commenting and replying
* developer pages
* uploaded files
* custom fields

To log in as an admin and check out the admin interface, click here:  
http://revcoders.org/wp-login.php

user = admin
password = admin

Click “Write” and you’re off and running!

Please add a comment to this page to try it out and let everyone know  
what you think.

2. A true Wiki:

http://www.revcoders.org/docuwiki/doku.php?id=start

Even though I prefer Wordpress as a wiki, this does have versioning  
as an advantage- you can see who changed what and when, and revert...

I also installed Vanilla forums:

http://revcoders.org/vanilla/categories.php

and Simple Machines forums:

http://revcoders.org/smf

On Jun 25, 2006, at 8:57 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

Depending on the real need, a Wiki might work well. If so, the Wiki  
project
Andre Garzia showed off at RevCon West 2006 in Monterey last week  
might be

good enough or a great start.

On 6/24/06, Bill Marriott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It would be hard to rival the simplicity of using phpBB. Most  
cPanel-based
hosting providers enable you to click a couple buttons and have  
the forum

up
and running in less than 5 minutes. Plus, phpBB has a deep feature  
set,
dozens of plug-ins for extra features, and an active support  
community.
Customizing them often means learning a little PHP though. There  
are many

options besides phpBB. (Everyone has their favorite forum software.)

It might be more fun/rewarding to build your own forum software  
using the

Rev CGI though :)

"jbv" wrote:
> One of clients (for whom I've already made a rather complex
> website based on Rev cgi) wants a tool to set up and administrate
> forums...
> Having little experience in that field, I was wondering if it's  
worth

> building something from scratch around Rev, or if it would simpler
> to install some existing solution (probably open source)...

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Re: about media...


Richard Gaskin wrote:

J. Landman Gay wrote:

Ben Rubinstein wrote:

Is the reverse also true, ie can Enterprise users edit stacks created 
by Media (and then have them read by Media again)? 


Yes.



I'm confused:  I thought the idea with the file format change was to 
prevent Media people from handing their stacks to owners of Studio and 
Enterprise to make standalones from them.


Not exactly. They could do that. If they find they need to do it too 
often, they'll probably just upgrade to Studio. Lots of people have done 
that, because asking someone else to repeatedly do builds for you is a 
pain in the tochus.




Enterprise and Studio use the same format, so if those products can both 
read and write Media stacks what's the point?


The point is to disallow faking a standalone with a Media stack. Stacks 
saved in Media will not open in a standalone, with the exception of 
Runtime's Player which has special compensations for Media stacks. All 
licensed editions can read stacks saved by any other edition, provided 
the edition can read 2.7 file format (which is the only format Media can 
save in.) However, once a Media user saves a stack, they can't fake a 
standalone by using something like StackRunner, for example.


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Re: Parameters of pending messages -- is 'it' volatile?

2006-06-26 Thread Erik Hansen


this is a keeper.  
one question, is 'it' volatile?

> get the result -- should be the message id
> put tMessage into gaMessageID2message[it]

or:
put the result into esto
put tMessage into gaMessageID2message[esto]

'it' is more concise, is it really as safe?

thanks for the applicable cognition.

Erik Hansen

--- Ben Rubinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 25/6/06 19:42, Peter T Evensen wrote:
> > Is there any way to get the parameters that
> were passed to pending
> > messages?
> >
> > What I want to do is suspend pending messages
> when a stack is suspended
> > and then reinstate them when the stack is
> resumed.  I just realized
> > pendingMessages() only gives the message
> name, not any of the parameters.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated!
> 
> I think the best you can do is store the
> parameters (or whatever useful info
> you need to key on) in a global or script-local
> array, keyed on the message ID.
> 
> If you're doing this a lot, you might want to
> buffer it by using your own
> handler wrapped round the "send" command, eg
> 
> on mySend tMessage, tDestination, tWhen
>global gaMessageID2message
>do "send tMessage to" && tDestination &&
> "in" && tWhen
>get the result -- should be the message id
>put tMessage into gaMessageID2message[it]
> end mySend
> 
> Your normal use could be something like:
> 
>   mySend "foo bar", "me", "3 seconds"
> 
> then when you're suspended, something like this
>   put the pendingMessages into
> gSuspendedMessages
>  repeat for each line tRec in
> gSuspendedMessages
> cancel message id (item 1 of tRec)
>   end repeat
> 
> 
> and when you're resumed:
>   repeat for each line tRec in
> gSuspendedMessages
> put item 1 of tRec into iOldMessageID
> put (some calculation based on item 2 of
> tRec) into tWhen
> mySend gaMessageID2message[iOldMessageID],
> (item, 4 of tRec), tWhen
>  end repeat
> 
> NB all the above typed into email, not Rev, and
> some of it pseudo-code...
> 
> Obviously, depending on your actual situation
> you may be able to do something
> more elegant, eg if this only applies for
> something with a long and ugly
> destination expression, it might be easier not
> to have to make that into a
> properly quoted up string.
> 
> HTH,
> 
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Re: How to search?

2006-06-26 Thread Felix Theissen


Many thanks for the anwsers and suggestion,
after searching in the documentation I had
already found a solution using lineOffset:

  global LinesToSkip
  global oldTextToFind
  put bkgnd field "FindName" into TextToFind
  if oldTextToFind <> TextToFind then
put 0 into LinesToSkip
put TextToFind into oldTextToFind
  end if

  put LineOffset (TextToFind, fld "Adressen", LinesToSkip) into Zeile
  if Zeile <> 0 then
  add LinesToSkip to Zeile

  put Zeile into LinesToSkip

  select line Zeile of fld "Adressen"

   else
put 0 into LinesToSkip
  end if

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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

Jacqueline:

That's too bad. So, really there are no Runtime Revolution products or
extensions or 3rd party products made specifically for delivering multimedia
content over the internet.

Seems like a natural fit for a product like Runtime Revolution and its rich
use of all media types, coupled with all the other database integration
stuff.

As an aside, I spent the last four days scouring the internet for THE
multimedia authoring package designed to deliver content over the internet .
. . , (it's been a long time since I looked last, so I expected the
marketplace to be bursting with such applications), and you know what . . .
it doesn't exist, not for the Mac, anyway. Now I know all about Adobe's
line of products, (formerly Macromedia's) and LiveStage Pro and EXedia QTI,
and non of these really is specifically tailored for internet delivery of
multimedia content of the kind Revolution is capable of making.

Perhaps some of the Revolution programming experts out there should take
advantage of this obvious industry oversight.

I think the days for distributing such content, offline, to the masses, have
pretty much evaporated. And, sorry to say, I think Adobe has monopolized
the market for producing tools for the distribution of online multimedia
content. I just don't want to play monopoly anymore.

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Re: U3 apps and rev

2006-06-26 Thread Jeffrey Reynolds

groan... will i be banned for starting a thread that ultimately lead  
to ch**se? what munster did i create with this thread...


cheers,

jeff

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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 33, Issue 42

2006-06-26 Thread Jeffrey Reynolds

i have always done this plus a flag for a development variable and  
dont bother stripping them later, they only work if the variable is  
set right (by me when in development mode).


global isitdev
if the optionkey is down and isitdev is "yessirrebob" then exit  
[handler]


hate stripping code when i am already through part of testing to easy  
to screw something up that was working perfectly well and then theres  
usually that one gotcha later in testing that its nice to have your  
early debugging stuff still there and available for use in figuring  
out what is going wrong... I also use it to pass results repeat end  
numbers and other variables into a displayable field so i can easily  
watch what is going on in more complex scripts that need tweaking.  
again only displayed if the field is show and the development mode  
variable is set right.


cheers,

jeff

Jeffrey Reynolds




On Jun 26, 2006, at 5:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


You've probably already force-quit by now, but just for the record,  
you

can't get out of one of these and force-quitting is about all you can
do. This has hit me many times, and now I am (almost) in the habit of
inserting a line like this into every new repeat loop I write:

   if the shiftkey is down then exit repeat

Once I know the thing works okay, I generally take the line out.  
But it

has saved me multiple times.


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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?


GregSmith wrote:

So, really there are no Runtime Revolution products or
extensions or 3rd party products made specifically for
delivering multimedia content over the internet.


The Internet is not necessarily the Web.  There are sometimes good 
reasons to deploy stuff specifically within a browser window, but 
deploying stacks over the Internet to your own custom browser is a snap 
with Rev:



Beyond the Browser
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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-26 Thread Scott Rossi

Recently, GregSmith wrote:

> So, really there are no Runtime Revolution products or
> extensions or 3rd party products made specifically for delivering multimedia
> content over the internet.

Actually, you can deliver any Revolution content over the Internet using a
single line of code:

  go url "http://www.myserver.com/mycoolstack.rev";

This loads a stack from the 'net almost as if you had launched it from your
desktop.  The difference is, the stack doesn't appear within the confines of
a Web browser.  If your audience has a player of some sort (whether it be
Runtime's player or something custom that you build) they can view your
Internet delivered stacks.

Regards,

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Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-26 Thread Thomas McCarthy


Greg,
I also was looking for this feature--first in SuperCard. But if you think about 
it, something like Flash requires a multi-megabyte download and install plugin 
for your browser. You can accomplish the same by having your users run 
web-based stacks from a rev app on their hard-drive.

You can also use Rev for cgi's to deliver dynamic html pages, such presenting 
information from a database or using a javascript templates to create on the 
fly interactive pages...

I guess the point is instead of worrying what Rev can't do, try looking at what 
it can accomplish. If you need a flashy animation web app, try flash.

cheers,
tm

OOOh, before I forget. OpenOffice has a decent presentation component that can 
save as flash files (no audio, though)

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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?


Richard:

When you say "a snap", what you mean by snap and what I may understand you
to mean could easily be 2 different things.  I did look for examples of how
to do what you are describing by searching the Revolution site and Google,
but came up empty-handed.

Does this kind of "snap" involve all sorts of CGI, PHP, XML or other
acronym-laced procedures, the likes of which I run from at the earliest
opportunity?

Or, is it easy like drag and drop stuff without writing a single line of
code.  I just love it when advertisements reassure me with statements like
that.

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Re: U3 apps and rev

2006-06-26 Thread Mark Wieder

Lynn-

Monday, June 26, 2006, 1:13:31 PM, you wrote:

> the '70s to the more recent Operation Cheddar Storm :-)

C'est la gruyere...

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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?


Richard:

Oh, and in my quest for the perfect, easy, to the point, no programming web
authoring environment, I came across Apple's Keynote 3.  Now, although this
is not Revolution by any stretch of the imagination, it contains a lot of
animated pizzazz and interactivity which is perfectly acceptable for web
demonstrations of software functionality.

Why, when reading the appropriate forum posts, I even came across a post by
an old HyperCard user and author who was hoping this product might evolve
into something HyperCard-like in the future.  Certainly it could.  

Keynote 3 looked fun and functional, just watch the demonstration that ships
with the package, (you can try out Keynote 3 if you have a current version
of iLife 06).

I know it is not the cup of tea for the hardened programmer.

Greg Smith
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Re: U3 apps and rev

2006-06-26 Thread Chipp Walters


For what it's worth, I gave a talk at RevCon on deploying Portable
Apps (not U3 ones).

Turns out Rev's perfect for this for a number of reasons. I primarily
think of the U3 initiative as a marketing opportunity for all of us
wanting to get some great (and free) exposure. I certainly plan to
make ButtonGadget availble as a 'U3' app.

The singles biggest 'feature failure' I perceive in U3, is the
inablility to add any but 'U3 approved' apps to the U3 Launcher. I
don't understand the reasoning behind this. It's like Microsoft only
allowing Office apps to be placed in the Start bar...I mean, if I pay
for the thumbDrive, why can't I put any app in the launcher?  To me
this is just Silly. Obviously not thought out from a user-centric
viewpoint.

-Chipp
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Re: AltBrowser Question

2006-06-26 Thread Chipp Walters


Ivan,
I'm not at my desk right now, but please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and we can help you.

best,

Chipp
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Re: U3 apps and rev


Chipp Walters wrote:


For what it's worth, I gave a talk at RevCon on deploying Portable
Apps (not U3 ones).

Turns out Rev's perfect for this for a number of reasons. I primarily
think of the U3 initiative as a marketing opportunity for all of us
wanting to get some great (and free) exposure. I certainly plan to
make ButtonGadget availble as a 'U3' app.

The singles biggest 'feature failure' I perceive in U3, is the
inablility to add any but 'U3 approved' apps to the U3 Launcher. I
don't understand the reasoning behind this. It's like Microsoft only
allowing Office apps to be placed in the Start bar...I mean, if I pay
for the thumbDrive, why can't I put any app in the launcher?  To me
this is just Silly. Obviously not thought out from a user-centric
viewpoint.


Andre and I have started kicking around a "U4" guideline to address 
things like that:




Hope to have your contributions there.

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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?


GregSmith wrote:


When you say "a snap", what you mean by snap and what I may understand you
to mean could easily be 2 different things.  I did look for examples of how
to do what you are describing by searching the Revolution site and Google,
but came up empty-handed.


Did you read the article I referenced?

Also, the Open Directory entry for Transcript has some links to 
examples, like these:





And then there's the RevPlayer, and RevNet, which is installed with 
Revolution in Development->Plugins->GoRevNet



Does this kind of "snap" involve all sorts of CGI, PHP, XML or other
acronym-laced procedures, the likes of which I run from at the earliest
opportunity?

Or, is it easy like drag and drop stuff without writing a single line of
code.  I just love it when advertisements reassure me with statements like
that.


Point-and-click authoring in the Revolution line of products is limited 
to the wizards (which RunRev calls "templates") provided with Rev Media.


I trust their player makes it easy to deploy these online, but to be 
honest I build mostly standalones myself so I haven't yet looked at the 
Player.


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Re: rotating images...

2006-06-26 Thread Ken Ray

On 6/26/06 1:19 AM, "Judy Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And it looks less crappy than rotate?
> 
> (sorry, haven't tried it... was so underwhelmed by rotate that I just gave
> up).

Actually, they look the same to me, but the image doesn't look too bad with
the exception of a funky border.

The main difference is that "rotate" is desctructive and "angle" isn't.
Compare:

set the angle of img 1 to 33
set the angle of img 1 to 0

vs.

rotate img 1 by 33
rotate img 1 by -33

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Re: Parameters of pending messages

2006-06-26 Thread Peter T. Evensen

 I wound up saving the parameters in an array like you have below, but 
based on message name vs ID (I don't queue up more than one of a particular 
message).


Rev knows what the parameters are... it seems like there should be a way to 
get them.


My suspend and resume are like what you have below.  I just forgot about 
the parameters and it was causing all sorts of errors because the QA 
testers were switching off my stack and back.  I wasn't doing that when I 
was testing myself, so I didn't see the errors.


Thanks for the suggestions!

At 12:33 PM 6/26/2006, you wrote:

On 25/6/06 19:42, Peter T Evensen wrote:

Is there any way to get the parameters that were passed to pending messages?
What I want to do is suspend pending messages when a stack is suspended 
and then reinstate them when the stack is resumed.  I just realized 
pendingMessages() only gives the message name, not any of the parameters.

Any help would be appreciated!


I think the best you can do is store the parameters (or whatever useful 
info you need to key on) in a global or script-local array, keyed on the 
message ID.


If you're doing this a lot, you might want to buffer it by using your own 
handler wrapped round the "send" command, eg


on mySend tMessage, tDestination, tWhen
  global gaMessageID2message
  do "send tMessage to" && tDestination && "in" && tWhen
  get the result -- should be the message id
  put tMessage into gaMessageID2message[it]
end mySend

Your normal use could be something like:

mySend "foo bar", "me", "3 seconds"

then when you're suspended, something like this
put the pendingMessages into gSuspendedMessages
repeat for each line tRec in gSuspendedMessages
  cancel message id (item 1 of tRec)
end repeat


and when you're resumed:
repeat for each line tRec in gSuspendedMessages
  put item 1 of tRec into iOldMessageID
  put (some calculation based on item 2 of tRec) into tWhen
  mySend gaMessageID2message[iOldMessageID], (item, 4 of tRec), tWhen
end repeat

NB all the above typed into email, not Rev, and some of it pseudo-code...

Obviously, depending on your actual situation you may be able to do 
something more elegant, eg if this only applies for something with a long 
and ugly destination expression, it might be easier not to have to make 
that into a properly quoted up string.


HTH,

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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

Richard:

Thanks for all the links, and I do agree with your thesis about internet
apps. But, from the standpoint of selling software training modules, the
two most important issues that the seller must face are trust and
familiarity, coming from and directed to their potential customers.

Users have been trained, by continual exposure, to trust web-based
transactions, standard plug-ins like QuickTime and Flash, conducted and
experienced in standard browser environments. Remove them from this trusted
commerce environment and you will probably lose many sales. Yet, from a
purely theoretical viewpoint, not all content or sales environments are best
served by what the browser environment has to offer, either.

So, for the Revolution author who wants to take advantage of all of the
authoring prowess of Revolution, yet wants to also enjoy the added benefit
of regular sales transactions, he or she might be best served by a
compromise in the form of a standard browser plug-in, which fully displays
all of the functionality of a Revolution stack . . . or, better yet, a
translator which exports the fully functional Revolution stack into a format
like Flash or QuickTime.

I'd sure be tempted to lay down a cool 300 bucks if such things were already
included in the Revolution Studio package.

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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 33, Issue 42

2006-06-26 Thread Jim Ault

On 6/26/06 4:06 PM, "Jeffrey Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> i have always done this plus a flag for a development variable and
> dont bother stripping them later, they only work if the variable is
> set right (by me when in development mode).
> 
> global isitdev
> if the optionkey is down and isitdev is "yessirrebob" then exit
> [handler]

you could also use the built-in
if the environment is "development" then showDevelopOptions
 
> hate stripping code when i am already through part of testing to easy
> to screw something up that was working perfectly well and then theres
> usually that one gotcha later in testing that its nice to have your
> early debugging stuff still there and available for use in figuring
> out what is going wrong... I also use it to pass results repeat end
> numbers and other variables into a displayable field so i can easily
> watch what is going on in more complex scripts that need tweaking.
> again only displayed if the field is show and the development mode
> variable is set right.

Jim Ault
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Rev & Robotics

2006-06-26 Thread Marty Knapp

I just had a friend talk to me about software that could be used for 
robotics. I seem to remember some mention of Revolution being used by 
somebody here for this. Any help and resources would be great.


Thanks,
Marty Knapp
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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?


GregSmith wrote:


So, for the Revolution author who wants to take advantage of all of the
authoring prowess of Revolution, yet wants to also enjoy the added benefit
of regular sales transactions  he or she might be best served by a
compromise in the form of a standard browser plug-in, which fully displays
all of the functionality of a Revolution stack


Check the list archives. :)  The short form is that the browser plugin 
wars were won by Macromedia more than half a decade ago.  If you need 
Flash it's not expensive and there are a great many templates, 
courseware packages, etc.


The issue with making yet-another-browser-plugin is that while bean 
counters like how it reads on paper, users and their IT staff quickly 
learn that it's no different from a custom browser:  they still need to 
download and install some engine to drive it all.


Only Flash is pre-installed -- a good route to go with if you need the 
in-browser experience.



. . . or, better yet, a translator which exports the fully
functional Revolution stack into a format
like Flash or QuickTime.


Or even Java, which may be a closer fit in a lot of ways, and there's a 
lot of example code on generating byte code.


Yeah, I'd like this option for some things.  There may even be a feature 
request filed in Bugzilla for this.  I wonder how many votes it's gotten.


In the meantime, for Web deployment it's hard to beat Flash, just as for 
desktop applications it's hard to beat Rev.  I suppose it'd be ideal to 
have one tool that does everything optimally, but since both tools are 
pretty cheap and (at least in my work) it's rare that I'd want to make 
the same thing for web deployment and as a desktop app, maybe two tools 
isn't a deal breaker for either.


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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

2006-06-26 Thread Andre Garzia



On Jun 26, 2006, at 6:25 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


. . . or, better yet, a translator which exports the fully
functional Revolution stack into a format
like Flash or QuickTime.


Err, friends,

I don't want to be one to spoil the fun but nor quicktime nor flash  
supports the feature-set of Rev. That conversion is not only  
impossible, it's unthinkable, it's like trying to pass a pineapple to  
a machine and expecting iPods at the other side.


Quicktime is a media container.
Flash is a interactive media tool.
Rev is a computer language.

Flash has a kind of programming language, Quicktime has some kind of  
interactivity and Rev do media well, but the similarities end there.


It would be a wiser path to build a tool in Rev that would pick your  
content and generate flash or quicktime.


andre
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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

If I'm not mistaken, this is something lots of folks have been asking for
for a long time.

Maybe it lies in 'the road ahead'?

Judy

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006, GregSmith wrote:

>
> Jacqueline:
>
> That's too bad.  So, really there are no Runtime Revolution products or
> extensions or 3rd party products made specifically for delivering multimedia
> content over the internet.
>
> Seems like a natural fit for a product like Runtime Revolution and its rich
> use of all media types, coupled with all the other database integration
> stuff.
>

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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

Richard,

While I really liked your referenced article, and, indeed, agree
substantially with its many good points, the problem remains with the vast
legions of folk who don't know the internet from the web, http from ftp
(what?!??) and/or, in the case of a bunch of general education and
upper-division college students I had last Fall, the grammatic/structural
difference between an email address and a URL; thus, that problem being
that NOT being able to deploy stacks in a web browser really limits the
internet deployment of your stacks.

:-(

Serious bummer...

And we won't even go into the folks who think that multimedia EXCLUSIVELY
= web content.

Judy

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> The Internet is not necessarily the Web.  There are sometimes good
> reasons to deploy stuff specifically within a browser window, but
> deploying stacks over the Internet to your own custom browser is a snap
> with Rev:
>
>
> Beyond the Browser
> Rediscovering the Role of the Desktop in a Net-centric World
>
> 

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Re: Revolution Media Presentation Viewable on Web?

Scott,

Right, of course, but the problem still remains in a Windows world that,
if your web content requires downloading some program that nobody's ever
heard of, you've probably just cut-off 80%+ of your potential audience.
Maybe even 90%+ (Many will be precluded by lacking permissions on
non-owned machines and owners may well balk at downloading something that
could well be the Prelude to a DriveWipe).

Isn't this reminiscent of the whole problem of Rev relying upon QuickTime
in a QuickTime-hostile Windows world?

Judy

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, GregSmith wrote:
>
> > So, really there are no Runtime Revolution products or
> > extensions or 3rd party products made specifically for delivering multimedia
> > content over the internet.
>
> Actually, you can deliver any Revolution content over the Internet using a
> single line of code:
>
>   go url "http://www.myserver.com/mycoolstack.rev";
>
> This loads a stack from the 'net almost as if you had launched it from your
> desktop.  The difference is, the stack doesn't appear within the confines of
> a Web browser.  If your audience has a player of some sort (whether it be
> Runtime's player or something custom that you build) they can view your
> Internet delivered stacks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: rotating images...