Internet Enabled Desktop Apps Alive and Well

[Sivakatirswami]

This is a holiday stocking gift for Richard, who can say: "I told you
so..." (smile) Nothing new, but worth noting:

We just got a new Nikon Cool Pix camera that takes video, has a steady
cam, macro and tons more features. Half an inch thick... hold it in the
palm of your hand. Delivers .mov clips by wireless to your desk top ready to
open  in iMovie...Amazing.

I could not resist sharing here that when I installed their download
software...  Nikon made a decision that instead of driving people to the
browser, they would deposit on the users HD an internet enabled Desktop 
application they

call the "Nikon Message Center," which looks for all the world like a
really ugly Rev app that talks to their main server about
updates, product lists etc.

I can hear the discussion in Tokyo: "Aso!, let's forget about building
browser based web applications... what a pain in our Japanese ** , let's
just make our own UI to talk to our servers it's so *easy* and user 
friendly."


Could they wipe out my hard drive? Yes. Am I worried, No

They could have at least hired Tereza to put a few cherry blossoms on 
the GUI...


Happy Solstice Celebrations!

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com
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Fun with fonts on Linux

[Richmond Mathewson]

Peter Alcibiades statement about Fonts and Linux
strikes me 
as rather odd.

"The second problem is that there are two and only two

fonts that will permit the use of larger than 24 point
sizes.  
These are bitstream charter and courier 10 point.  
However, they, like the others,  do not render
properly, 
so they look pretty terrible."

I make stacks on a Macintosh machine and then move 
them over to a number of Linux boxes - at that point I
have 
to select the font for each text-field (a bit tedious)
- 
however, once I have selected a Linux font the size 
that was set on the Mac returns - regardless of which
font I select.

Unfortunately, if one just sets the font for the stack
or card the text-fields don't seem to inherit
properly.

I am using an old version (5.04) of Ubuntu on the PCs
in my school - maybe Ubuntu handles fonts rather
differently to other Linux distros.

I made a font inside the user-home called .fonts (the
. at the start is necessary) and popped all sorts of
TTF fonts in there from all sorts of places -
including from other font folders lurking in my Ubuntu
systems.

There are lots of good TTF fonts freely available on
the internet.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



"Its time to do Philosophy and stop worrying about what dead men said."

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Re: Geometry No Longer Supported?

[Mark Smith]

Sivakatirswami, this sounds like bug #3693. Please feel free to add  
some votes.


Best,

Mark

On 19 Dec 2006, at 05:03, Sivakatirswami wrote:


Is the Geometry Editor no long supported?

I used to do my own geometry and then tried using rev's Geometry and
thought it was pretty "cool" and did a few stacks with that as my  
tool.

Now I see it doesn't appear in the 2.7 menus.

Then in Galaxy it appears the custom prop with Rev Geometry got
clobbered and my stack controls are "all over the place" and I'm
stuck... how do I clear that? if it's no longer supported, fine, I'll
write my own handlers but for the moment I just need to get the  
current

"went insane" geometry out of the stack.

I turned on Rev show rev props in the UI, but all I see is something
called "Master" in the custom props set to "true"

I deleted that... after removing Galaxy I used rev application  
broswer to

select objects (now sent way off screen to crazy locations like
top=2012...) So I have everything back in the main window of the card,
but some objects are still resizing in ways I am unable to edit or
control... I would revert to an earlier version, but I put a lot of  
work

into an upgrade today...

Help!

Thanks

Sivakatirswami

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Re: Fun with fonts on Linux

[Peter Alcibiades]

I can only report what actually happens.  Are we doing the same thing?  I am 
running 2.6.1 IDE and engine on Linux - specifically on AMD64, Etch.  I can't 
test compiling a stack on another platform, but with Linux as the target, not 
having a Windows or Mac installation that will do that.  The results might 
well be different.  This is running the engine and IDE in 'native mode'.

I too have a file /home/peter/.fonts, and it has around 350 fonts in it.  But 
none of these fonts seem to be available either to the MC or RR IDEs, and it 
makes no difference if the RR installation is in /opt or in /home/peter 
or /home/peter/Desktop.  They are however available to every other 
application I've tried.

I'd love to be told I'm doing something idiotic and there is an easy fix!  

Peter
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Report Builder

[Gregory Lypny]

Hello Everyone,

Revolution's built-in help tells me that there's something called a  
Report Builder under the Tools menu.  I have only a Menu Builder and  
a Database Query Builder.  Does the Report Builder exist?


From the help documents

Definition:
Part of the Revolution development environment, the window where you  
create settings for a printed report.


To display the Report Builder, choose Tools menu Report Builder.

Regards,

Gregory

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PDF and Rev

[jbv]

Hi list,

In my quest for a way to open a PDF file from a Rev script,
I've found a freeware that converts PDF files into executables :
PDF2EXE (http://www.pdf2exe.com).
Then it becomes easy to launch the executable with a single
line of code in a script.

I thought some of you might find this useful...

Best,
JB

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[ANN] possible RPC mechanism for rev

[Mark Smith]

I've been thinking about Andres excellent post on the subject of  
revolution and the web etc. He suggested that to start off, we need a  
few basic elements, one of which would be an rpc mechanism, so I've  
come up with one. It's at a very early stage, but includes a stack/ 
tool for managing sets of rpc libraries.


I have only Mac OS X to work with, so a few assumptions about paths  
and so-on would have to be tweaked to work on other OSes :(


I've made a zip archive of it, along with a 'read-me' that describes  
what I've done, available for download at


http://www.futility.co.uk/futsoft/revolutionstuff.html

named simply "RPC".

Anyone who's interested and would care to comment on it, please do  
so, either on or off list.


Best,

Mark
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Re: Fun with Icons on Linux

[Stephen Barncard]

But we Enterprise users like to know we can deploy to Unix if needed 
and we get it with the package.I did not plan on any Unix apps, but I 
might 'fool around' with it. I'll probably never use the Windows part 
either.




and will ship with every Linux distro.  So its not clear, even if the Linux
version is cleaned up and totally slick, how many copies will realistically
sell at a few hundred a copy.


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Re: PDF and Rev

[Stephen Barncard]

Why would this be useful? Isn't the idea of a PDF to be a 
cross-platform document? EXEs lock it into a platform again.



Hi list,

In my quest for a way to open a PDF file from a Rev script,
I've found a freeware that converts PDF files into executables :
PDF2EXE (http://www.pdf2exe.com).
Then it becomes easy to launch the executable with a single
line of code in a script.

I thought some of you might find this useful...

Best,
JB


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Re: Internet Enabled Desktop Apps Alive and Well

[Tereza Snyder]

On Dec 19, 2006, at 4:57 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:



They could have at least hired Tereza to put a few cherry blossoms  
on the GUI...


Happy Solstice Celebrations!



Solstice salutations!

I blush!


t


(Giovanni Dowd)

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   www.califexsoftware.com

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Re: Solstice salutations!

[Stephen Barncard]

That is SO much better than the generic "Happy Holidays"!
thanks.


Solstice salutations!

I blush!


t


(Giovanni Dowd)

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Re: Fun with Icons on Linux

[Robert John Warren]

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

And finally, the Linux development people don't seem, my casual impression, to 
be very oriented towards RR type stuff.  They are much more hard core.  
Whenever you read the FAQ on the rapid development packages, they always seem 
to start out by noting key contrasts with C.  So its not clear if there is an 
appropriate RR Linux developer market.  


---
A static way of looking at markets is to consider what they ARE.
A more positive way of looking at markets is to realize that they are also MADE.
To launch an important and promising RAD system for Linux which is riddled with 
bugs is NOT the way to MAKE a market. To neglect it for years on end is also 
NOT the way to MAKE a market.

The highly expert programmers who helped create Linux probably don't need RAD solutions like Rev very much. Ordinary people (i.e. the new Linux users) DO need RAD solutions, and Rev is the best one I know - by far. That's why its neglect is so tragic. 


Regards,
Bob Warren


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Re: Fun with Icons on Linux

[Stephen Barncard]

And why I anticipate the upcoming Unix release of REV. I want to try 
it with UBUNTU.


The highly expert programmers who helped create Linux probably don't 
need RAD solutions like Rev very much. Ordinary people (i.e. the new 
Linux users) DO need RAD solutions, and Rev is the best one I know - 
by far. That's why its neglect is so tragic.

Regards,
Bob Warren


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Re: PDF and Rev

[jbv]

Stephen,

Your remark makes sense, but let me know how to open a
PDF document in Acrobat Reader from a Rev script...

For the moment I'm using Rev 2.5 and am in a hurry to
complete a small app for a client that will run on Windows
only and needs to open a PDf file... If anyone happens to
be in a similar situation, then PDF2EXE is useful...

JB

> Why would this be useful? Isn't the idea of a PDF to be a
> cross-platform document? EXEs lock it into a platform again.
>
> >Hi list,
> >
> >In my quest for a way to open a PDF file from a Rev script,
> >I've found a freeware that converts PDF files into executables :
> >PDF2EXE (http://www.pdf2exe.com).
> >Then it becomes easy to launch the executable with a single
> >line of code in a script.
> >
> >I thought some of you might find this useful...
> >
> >Best,
> >JB
>

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Re: PDF and Rev

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi JB,

In order to master the process completely in Rev, you might be  
interested in Chipp's really fine AltBrowser:
We use it to open hundreds of pdfs directly in a Rev viewer stack  
that is a part of a Rev app.

Works really well without any extra exe.

Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet

Le 19 déc. 06 à 16:23, jbv a écrit :


Stephen,

Your remark makes sense, but let me know how to open a
PDF document in Acrobat Reader from a Rev script...

For the moment I'm using Rev 2.5 and am in a hurry to
complete a small app for a client that will run on Windows
only and needs to open a PDf file... If anyone happens to
be in a similar situation, then PDF2EXE is useful...

JB


Why would this be useful? Isn't the idea of a PDF to be a
cross-platform document? EXEs lock it into a platform again.


Hi list,

In my quest for a way to open a PDF file from a Rev script,
I've found a freeware that converts PDF files into executables :
PDF2EXE (http://www.pdf2exe.com).
Then it becomes easy to launch the executable with a single
line of code in a script.

I thought some of you might find this useful...

Best,
JB



 
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Re: PDF and Rev

[Geir A. Myrestrand]

jbv wrote:


Stephen,

Your remark makes sense, but let me know how to open a
PDF document in Acrobat Reader from a Rev script...

For the moment I'm using Rev 2.5 and am in a hurry to
complete a small app for a client that will run on Windows
only and needs to open a PDf file... If anyone happens to
be in a similar situation, then PDF2EXE is useful...

JB


This was discussed on the list a few days ago under the topic "launch 
doc with app".


It should be something like this:

get shell("start" && tFilePath)

You need to wrap quotes around the path if it contains spaces.

You should not force the use of Adobe Acrobat or Adobe Reader, just let 
the OS handle the application used to view the PDF file. The Windows 
shell will launch the associated application if you execute "start 
" or just "" where  is the document you want to launch.


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Re: Variables in DB Query Builder

[Horst]

Hola Jan,

thanks for answering!

You wrote:
For now the easiest way to achieve dynamic queries is
to save a template query somewhere, and fill in the
dynamic parts, then update the SQL of the query using
the undocumented command "'revSetSQLOfQuery ,".
An example :
##
on mouseUp
  put "123456" into tCustomerID # or some field data
  put "SELECT * FROM orders WHERE customerid='" & \
 tCustomerID & "'" into tSQLStatement
  revSetSQLOfQuery "orders",tSQLStatement
end mouseUp
##
-
Well, but what does this do? I don´t understand that. What to do with 
revSetSQLOfQuery "orders",tSQLStatement

best regards 

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Re: Fun with Icons on Linux

[Richard Gaskin]

Robert John Warren wrote:

To launch an important and promising RAD system for Linux
which is riddled with bugs is NOT the way to MAKE a market.
To neglect it for years on end is also NOT the way to MAKE
a market.


If tens of millions of dollars from IBM and another billion from Wall
Street can't make a market for Linux, I doubt there's much more that
a handful of developers from Edinburgh could do.

Look at all the other development systems already available for Linux,
and look at Linux' dismal market share on the desktop after all these years.

Oh, there's a problem alright, but it isn't a lack of development tools.

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Saving stack changes under Player

[Mark Swindell]

Is it possible to save changes made to stacks when run under the  
Player?  If so, what is the mechanism?  At this point I just want  
field text changes to be retained between sessions.  But what about  
adding cards and such as that?


Thanks
Mark
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Re: Fun with Icons on Linux

[J. Landman Gay]

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

There are two problems, and they are identical whether you use the MC or the 
RR IDE.


The first is the icons supplied are miniscule and don't apparently scale.  So 
you can make your buttons bigger, but they still have tiny artwork in them.  


This is not a Linux problem, this is just how it works across all 
platforms. All icons are bitmapped art. They will appear smaller at 
large screen resolutions, and will appear larger when the screen 
resolution is less.


You also cannot seem to get rid of minimum 10 point font text under the 
artwork, which displaces the icons upwards.


You can, but there is no interface in the inspector for it. Just set the 
textfont/size/style of the button to whatever you want, via the message 
box or a script. You can also set margins to nudge the icon to the 
position you want. Again, not a Linux problem. Just how it works.


 You can only replace it with a 
space, which increases the ratio of white space to artwork on your buttons.  


Or you can just turn off the "showName" property of the button which 
will remove the label entirely. Then set the bottomMargin to whatever 
you want.


This means that if you want one of the old scaleable forward/backward arrows 
that used to come with Hypercard, you have to either dig out the old 
diskettes -  or make your own from scratch.


HyperCard didn't have scalable icons either, they were bitmapped artwork 
like all the others. However, if you want to scale an icon, just import 
the icon image into the stack and then scale that image. Whatever size 
you have scaled it to will be reflected in your button icon. Note that 
since all icons are bitmapped art, scaling to a large size can cause 
jagged edges.


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Re: [ANN] Name Generator

[J. Landman Gay]

Scott Rossi wrote:

You've heard of a random number generator? Here's a stack for anyone who
wants to generate one or more random *names* of people.


I bet you did stuff like this on purpose:

 Rocky Baskett
 Conception Big

What a riot. Anyway, thanks for this. I'm late coming to the party but 
it's still a fun one.


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CPU timings

[J. Landman Gay]

I am trying to estimate the different timings between CPUs so I can 
adjust some animation scripts accordingly. My available hardware for 
testing is limited though.


I have a Mac PowerBook G4 that runs at 864 MHz. I want to know how this 
would compare to a Pentium III running at 800 MHz. I think Pentiums are 
a little faster than Motorola chips, but in general, do you think they'd 
run at about the same speed? Or close?


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Re: CPU timings

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I have a Mac PowerBook G4 that runs at 864 MHz. I want to know how this
> would compare to a Pentium III running at 800 MHz. I think Pentiums are
> a little faster than Motorola chips, but in general, do you think they'd
> run at about the same speed? Or close?

IMO, I would say there may not be any "real" way to know.  If your stack has
any kind of visual component to it, then the capabilities of the graphics
cards can affect performance as well, or at least perceived performance.  If
your stack is processing only, then perhaps the systems may be close, but
someone else may have a better answer.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: CPU timings

[Jim Ault]

On 12/19/06 10:12 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am trying to estimate the different timings between CPUs so I can
> adjust some animation scripts accordingly. My available hardware for
> testing is limited though.
> 
> I have a Mac PowerBook G4 that runs at 864 MHz. I want to know how this
> would compare to a Pentium III running at 800 MHz. I think Pentiums are
> a little faster than Motorola chips, but in general, do you think they'd
> run at about the same speed? Or close?

You could build a little test stack that did some operations and stored a
baseline value for these, then in the operating environ, trigger these, get
the new values and prorate.

For example (typed and not tested)

on authorTime
get the ticks
repeat 3000
add 1 to tempp
end repeat
set the cp3KBaseline of this stack to the ticks - it div 3000
get the ticks
runIntro
set the cpIntroBaseline of this stack to the ticks - it
save this stack
end authorTime

on openstack
if the filename of this stack contains the cpAuthor of this stack
then authorTime
get the ticks
repeat 3000
add 1 to tempp
end repeat
get the ticks - it div 3000
set the cp3KRate of this stack to it/the cp3KBaseline of this stack
get the ticks
runIntro
get the ticks - it
set the cpIntroRate of this stack to it/the cpIntroBaseline of this stack

put "cp3KRate = " & the cp3KRate of this stack & \
 " cpIntroRate = " & the cpIntroRate of this stack into msg
end openstack

___and now you have two ratios that can be used in animation or other timing
calcs.  This is just an idea, but it should get you in the ball park.  If
you are running the stack on your computer, then both ratios should be
1.0

Now have someone run the stack and let you know their ratios.

Hope this helps in some way

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: PDF and Rev

[Stephen Barncard]

Launch?
Launch document?

These are native rev calls. These don't work?

in MacOS of course there's applescript.


Stephen,

Your remark makes sense, but let me know how to open a
PDF document in Acrobat Reader from a Rev script...



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Re: PDF and Rev

[Stephen Barncard]

Launch document?


This was added in Rev 2.7.1

Just tested, this works in Rev 2.7.4gm Mac (without word wrap):

launch document "/Applications Third 
Party/PROGRAMMING/REVOLUTION/Revolution 
Enterprise/2.7.1-gm-1/Documentation/pdf/users_guide/all.pdf"




These are native rev calls. These don't work for you?



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[OT] Fun with icons on Linux

[Richmond Mathewson]

Richard Gaskin wrote:

"Oh, there's a problem alright, but it isn't a lack of
development tools."

For what its worth - my few thoughts:

1. Microsoft Windows has, for better or worse,
successfully dominated the desktop market.

2. Linux, being a diffuse, amorphous "thing" (unlike a
tightly centred organisation like Microsoft) has not
pumped big bucks into an advertising campaign to put
some of the myths promoted by Microsoft in
perspective.

3. People are suspicious of a free lunch.

4. Runtime Revolution for Linux is not up to scratch.
But why would a commercial organisation bother to
invest vast amounts of effort in developing something
for an operating system that is largely used by
"wierdos" with no financial clout? The answer to this
is rather like the answer I recieved when I queried a
version of Runtime Revolution for RISC OS - nothing at
all, because anybody with a few more business-like
braincells than me would have realised that nobody was
going to buy it.

My feeling about this is that if you want to develop
childish language teaching tools for Linux (which is
what I do) then RR is absolutely super - and the
Novell 2.2.1 version suffices.

But if you want to develop the sort of more
sophisticated stuff that other people are developing
with RR for Mac and Windows on Linux you should use a
different RAD, or, perish the thought, an
"old-fashioned" computer language.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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international Date

[Sivakatirswami]

Am I the  only one who continues to be perplexed as to why the
international date format is not a standard engine function?

Hypenated: -MM-DD,  zero padded comes standard with SQL
but in Rev we have to do little dances like:

FUNCTION internationalDate tDate
convert tDate to dateitems
IF len(item 2 of tDate<2) THEN put "0" before item 2 of tDate
IF len(item 3 of tDate<2) THEN put "0" before item 2 of tDate
return   (item 1 of  tDate &"-" & item 2 of tDate &"-" & item 3 of
tDate)
END internationalDate

?? am I missing  something?

Worthy of a feature request?

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com

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Re: Geometry No Longer Supported?

[Sivakatirswami]

OK, right 3693 yes, looks like similar same issue... some fields with 
left point anchored had

their right point way off  card and a few tool buttons running along the
bottom of the card dropped out of sight into nether worlds below
along with a verticle field list whose top was anchored..
the bottom also dropped out of sight.

 I was able to solve it by  re-installing Galaxy, but using Rev'
props pane for changing everyones size back to 20 pixel wide so everything
popped back onto the card,  and *then* resetting the geometry for each
object by clicking the red connector in the Geometry panel and removing
geometry for each object, resizing and re-positioning all the objects
then adding the geometry back to each one then saving again.  (Wheh!)
Was able to create my distribution stack and send it off to users..

Meanwhile on next iteration I will probably write my own geometry
handlers for this one.

Question remains: let's say you just want to "wipe out Rev Geometry"
 clean it out of the stack entirely
what do you do?  I note in the docs I should be able to find some
revGroup  and delete that... anything else?


Mark Smith wrote:

Sivakatirswami, this sounds like bug #3693. Please feel free to add
some votes.

Best,

Mark

On 19 Dec 2006, at 05:03, Sivakatirswami wrote:


Is the Geometry Editor no long supported?

I used to do my own geometry and then tried using rev's Geometry
and thought it was pretty "cool" and did a few stacks with that as
my tool. Now I see it doesn't appear in the 2.7 menus.

Then in Galaxy it appears the custom prop with Rev Geometry got 
clobbered and my stack controls are "all over the place" and I'm 
stuck... how do I clear that? if it's no longer supported, fine,

I'll write my own handlers but for the moment I just need to get
the current "went insane" geometry out of the stack.

I turned on Rev show rev props in the UI, but all I see is
something called "Master" in the custom props set to "true"

I deleted that... after removing Galaxy I used rev application
broswer to select objects (now sent way off screen to crazy
locations like top=2012...) So I have everything back in the main
window of the card, but some objects are still resizing in ways I
am unable to edit or control... I would revert to an earlier
version, but I put a lot of work into an upgrade today...

Help!

Thanks

Sivakatirswami

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Re: Saving stack changes under Player

[André.Bisseret]

Le 19 déc. 06 à 17:08, Mark Swindell a écrit :

Is it possible to save changes made to stacks when run under the  
Player?  If so, what is the mechanism?  At this point I just want  
field text changes to be retained between sessions.  But what about  
adding cards and such as that?


Thanks
Mark


Yes it is possible, with a handler in the script of the stack

on saveStack
save this stack (or save stack "suchStack"
end saveStack

and a button (where you want) the script of which  could be :
on mouseUp
saveStack
end mouseUp

If you want you could have a handler to allow the user to choose in  
case he is trying to close ;

something like :

on closeStackRequest
  answer "Save this stack ?" with "Yes" or "No" or "Cancel"
if it is "Yes" then saveStack
if it is "No" then
close this stack
exit closeStackRequest
 end if
 if it is "cancel" then exit closeStackRequest
 pass closeStackRequest
end closeStackRequest

Best regards from Grenoble
André


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Re: PDF and Rev

[jbv]

Stephen,

I'm using Rev 2.5...

> >Launch document?
>
> This was added in Rev 2.7.1
>
> Just tested, this works in Rev 2.7.4gm Mac (without word wrap):
>
> launch document "/Applications Third
> Party/PROGRAMMING/REVOLUTION/Revolution
> Enterprise/2.7.1-gm-1/Documentation/pdf/users_guide/all.pdf"
>
> >
> >These are native rev calls. These don't work for you?
> >

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Re: Solstice salutations!

[FlexibleLearning]

>Solstice salutations!

>>That is SO much better than the  generic "Happy Holidays"!
>>thanks.

I concur, and perhaps the  best we can hope for in these hyper-sensitive, 
criticism-aware times.
 
But *please* don't get me started on that!
 
/H
 
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Re: CPU timings

[J. Landman Gay]

Jim Ault wrote:

On 12/19/06 10:12 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I am trying to estimate the different timings between CPUs so I can
adjust some animation scripts accordingly. My available hardware for
testing is limited though.

I have a Mac PowerBook G4 that runs at 864 MHz. I want to know how this
would compare to a Pentium III running at 800 MHz. I think Pentiums are
a little faster than Motorola chips, but in general, do you think they'd
run at about the same speed? Or close?


You could build a little test stack that did some operations and stored a
baseline value for these, then in the operating environ, trigger these, get
the new values and prorate.


I've done this in the past and maybe I'll have to do it again. Was 
hoping to avoid it. ;(


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: CPU timings

[J. Landman Gay]

Scott Rossi wrote:

Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:


I have a Mac PowerBook G4 that runs at 864 MHz. I want to know how this
would compare to a Pentium III running at 800 MHz. I think Pentiums are
a little faster than Motorola chips, but in general, do you think they'd
run at about the same speed? Or close?


IMO, I would say there may not be any "real" way to know.  If your stack has
any kind of visual component to it, then the capabilities of the graphics
cards can affect performance as well, or at least perceived performance.  If
your stack is processing only, then perhaps the systems may be close, but
someone else may have a better answer.


I think you're probably right, but I was hoping. I guess Jim's test 
method is the one I'll have to use.


Isn't a Pentium III/800Mhz a pretty old machine? Anyone know what's 
"average" out there in PC land? That is, if you were going to aim for a 
generic speed, what hardware would you use as a best-guess value?


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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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Re: Fun with Icons on Linux

[Robert John Warren]

Robert John Warren wrote:


> To launch an important and promising RAD system for Linux
> which is riddled with bugs is NOT the way to MAKE a market.
> To neglect it for years on end is also NOT the way to MAKE
> a market.
  


Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal wrote:


If tens of millions of dollars from IBM and another billion from Wall

Street can't make a market for Linux, I doubt there's much more that
a handful of developers from Edinburgh could do.

Look at all the other development systems already available for Linux,
and look at Linux' dismal market share on the desktop after all these years.

Oh, there's a problem alright, but it isn't a lack of development tools.


I agree there is a problem, and you have just demonstrated it very clearly. 
Thanks for the insight.

Best regards,
Bob


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Re: Report Builder

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 12/19/06, Gregory Lypny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Revolution's built-in help tells me that there's something called a
Report Builder under the Tools menu.  I have only a Menu Builder and
a Database Query Builder.  Does the Report Builder exist?



Not any more. There was a report builder in earlier versions, but it
wasn't much good and has now been removed.

Sarah
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Re: Saving stack changes under Player

[Sarah Reichelt]

On 12/20/06, Mark Swindell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Is it possible to save changes made to stacks when run under the
Player?  If so, what is the mechanism?  At this point I just want
field text changes to be retained between sessions.  But what about
adding cards and such as that?



I seem to remember hearing about some setting that needed to be
changed first, is it "secureMode"? It prevents file access and stack
saving and I think it may be set to true by default in the player.

HTH,
Sarah
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Re: international Date

[Tereza Snyder]

On Dec 19, 2006, at 5:13 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:


Hypenated: -MM-DD,  zero padded comes standard with SQL
but in Rev we have to do little dances like:

FUNCTION internationalDate tDate
convert tDate to dateitems
IF len(item 2 of tDate<2) THEN put "0" before item 2 of tDate
IF len(item 3 of tDate<2) THEN put "0" before item 2 of tDate
return   (item 1 of  tDate &"-" & item 2 of tDate &"-" & item 3 of
tDate)
END internationalDate

?? am I missing  something?


For the padding problem, look up the format function, especially this  
bit :


  Note:  If a zero is included immediately before the charLength  
parameter in any formatting incantation that allows padding, the  
resulting value is padded (if necessary) with zeroes instead of  
spaces. For example, the incantation %03s transforms "H" to "00H".




Worthy of a feature request?


It would be fun to have something like:

   set the dateFormat to "-MM-DD"
   put the formattedDate

and

   set the timeFormat to "HH:MM"
   put the formattedTime

where I could even specify:

   set the timeFormat to "H hours and M minutes"

and have the formattedTime return "03 hours and 55 minutes"

or something similar.

Though with format() and merge() you can pretty much get the same  
thing :


FUNCTION internationalDate tDate
 constant k4pad="%04d", k2pad="%02d"
 constant kDateStr="[[ format(k4pad,item 1 of tDate) ]]-[[format 
(k2pad, item 2 of tDate) ]]-[[format(k2pad, item 3 of tDate) ]]"

 convert tDate to dateitems
 return merge(kDateStr)
end internationalDate

Which you can customize for different formats.


t


(Alfredo Dawes)



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   Califex Software, Inc.
   www.califexsoftware.com

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Solstice salutations!

[Richmond Mathewson]

I really believe the people who are really
"hyper-sensitive, 
criticism-aware" are those with some sort of slightly
unpleasant axes to grind. As I am not particularly
insecure or worried that other people's points of view
are going to dent my belief system I can take all the
"Happy Ramadans", "Happy Diwalis" "Happy Christmases",
"Happy Janmashtamis" and so on that are wished to me -
and in every case I take it as I assume it is
delivered; in a spirit of love and genuine good
wishes. (And, if these wishes are delivered in a
spirit other than that of love and so on, that is
surely a problem for the wisher and not for me).

For various rather complicated reasons (which I am
neither going to explain nor justify) I think that
Jesus was "a good egg" and, as such would like to
extend (admittedly 6 days early) my best wishes to one
and all on one of the days on which people celebrate
his birthday.

And for those who cannot fathom what I mean by that:

Happy Christmas!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



"Its time to do Philosophy and stop worrying about what dead men said."

   Mathewson 2006


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Re: Solstice salutations!

[Stephen Barncard]

I too will refrain from any sectarian comments and just state what we 
can agree on; Jesus was a great guru among the other major gurus and 
we can celebrate his birthday without the politics ... and a lot of 
people can get off work and have a well deserved holiday with their 
loved ones!


Merry Christmas and REV 2.75 for the new year!!


I really believe the people who are really

For various rather complicated reasons (which I am
neither going to explain nor justify) I think that
Jesus was "a good egg" and, as such would like to
extend (admittedly 6 days early) my best wishes to one
and all on one of the days on which people celebrate
his birthday.

And for those who cannot fathom what I mean by that:

Happy Christmas!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson


--
stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -
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Re: Solstice salutations!

[Richard Gaskin]

Stephen Barncard wrote:
I too will refrain from any sectarian comments and just state what we 
can agree on; Jesus was a great guru among the other major gurus and 
we can celebrate his birthday without the politics ... and a lot of 
people can get off work and have a well deserved holiday with their 
loved ones!


First you say you'll refrain from sectrian comment and then you launch 
an attack against those who prefer making their employees work rather 
than fritter away time with their families.


Are you anti-capitalism?

Why do you hate freedom?

Bah!

- Ebeneezer
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Re: Saving stack changes under Player

[Mark Swindell]

Thank you.  Pretty complex stuff.  :-)
Mar

On Dec 19, 2006, at 11:58 AM, André.Bisseret wrote:


on saveStack
save this stack
end saveStack


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Re: Saving stack changes under Player

[Mark Swindell]

Sarah,
It seemed to work without changing modes.  Thanks for the heads up,  
though. I've saved it in the event something comes up.

Mark


On Dec 19, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


On 12/20/06, Mark Swindell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Is it possible to save changes made to stacks when run under the
Player?  If so, what is the mechanism?  At this point I just want
field text changes to be retained between sessions.  But what about
adding cards and such as that?



I seem to remember hearing about some setting that needed to be
changed first, is it "secureMode"? It prevents file access and stack
saving and I think it may be set to true by default in the player.

HTH,
Sarah
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playSelection problems

[Brad Sampson]

I am having a problem.  I am using the playSelection property because
I want my movie to end at the endTime.  However, the playStopped
message doesn't seem to be sent.  What is the problem?  Is there a way
to make it be sent, or do I have to use a repeat loop that constantly
checks if the currentTime is past the endTime?
Thanks
Brad
CMSEC
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Re: international Date

[Josh Mellicker]

Just in the remote chance this is at all helpful to anyone, here are  
my SQL date/time conversion routines, I'm sure they could be  
streamlined...


Also, HAPPY HANNUKAH AND XMAS EVERYONE!!!

-
-- NowSQLTimeStamp
-
FUNCTION NowSQLTimeStamp
return (convert2SQLDate(the english date) && convert2SQLTime(the  
english time))

END NowSQLTimeStamp

-
-- RegDateFromSQL
-
FUNCTION RegDateFromSQL pInDate
set the itemdelimiter to "-"
put item 2 of pInDate & "/" & item 3 of pInDate & "/" &  char 3  
to 4 of item 1 of pInDate into tRegDate

set the itemdelimiter to "/"
IF char 1 of item 1 of tRegDate = 0 THEN delete char 1 of item 1  
of tRegDate
IF char 1 of item 2 of tRegDate = 0 THEN delete char 1 of item 2  
of tRegDate

IF tRegDate = "//" THEN put empty into tRegDate
return tRegDate
END RegDateFromSQL

-
-- RegTimeFromSQL
-
FUNCTION RegTimeFromSQL pInTime
set the itemdelimiter to ":"
delete the last item of pInTime
IF item 1 of pInTime > 12 THEN
put item 1 of pInTime - 12 into item 1 of pInTime
put " PM" after pInTime
ELSE IF item 1 of pInTime = 12 THEN
put " PM" after pInTime
ELSE
put " AM" after pInTime
IF char 1 to 2 of pInTime = "00" THEN
put "12" into char 1 to 2 of pInTime
ELSE IF char 1 of pInTime = 0 THEN
delete char 1 of pInTime
END IF
END IF
IF pInTime = " AM" THEN put empty into pInTime
return pInTime
END RegTimeFromSQL

-
-- Convert2SQLDate
-
FUNCTION Convert2SQLDate pOldDate
IF pOldDate = "" THEN
put "" into tNewDate
ELSE
set the itemdel to "/"
IF the number of chars of item 1 of pOldDate = 1 THEN put  
"0" before pOldDate
IF the number of chars of item 2 of pOldDate = 1 THEN put  
"0" before item 2 of pOldDate
IF the number of chars of item 3 of pOldDate = 2 THEN put  
"20" before item 3 of pOldDate
put item 3 of pOldDate & "-" & item 1 of pOldDate & "-" &  
item 2 of pOldDate into tNewDate

END IF
return tNewDate
END Convert2SQLDate

-
-- Convert2SQLTime
-
FUNCTION Convert2SQLTime pOldTime
set the itemdel to ":"
IF the last word of pOldTime = "PM" AND (item 1 of pOldTime <>  
"12") THEN

add 12 to item 1 of pOldTime
END IF
IF the last word of pOldTime = "AM" AND (item 1 of pOldTime =  
"12") THEN

put "00" into item 1 of pOldTime
END IF
IF the number of chars of item 1 of pOldTime = 1 THEN put "0"  
before pOldTime

delete the last word of pOldTime
put ":00" after pOldTime

IF pOldTime = ":00" THEN
put empty into pOldTime
  END IF
return pOldTime
END Convert2SQLTime

-
-- DateAndTimeFromSQL
-
FUNCTION DateAndTimeFromSQL pSQLDateAndTime
put word 1 of pSQLDateAndTime into tDate
IF tDate = "-00-00" THEN put "" into tDate
put word 2 of pSQLDateAndTime into tTime
IF tTime = "00:00:00" THEN put "" into tTime
IF tDate & tTime = "" THEN
--return ""
ELSE
put RegDateFromSQL(tDate) && RegTimeFromSQL(tTime) into tReturn
END IF
return tReturn
END DateAndTimeFromSQL


On Dec 19, 2006, at 3:13 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:


Am I the  only one who continues to be perplexed as to why the
international date format is not a standard engine function?

Hypenated: -MM-DD,  zero padded comes standard with SQL
but in Rev we have to do little dances like:

FUNCTION internationalDate tDate
convert tDate to dateitems
IF len(item 2 of tDate<2) THEN put "0" before item 2 of tDate
IF len(item 3 of tDate<2) THEN put "0" before item 2 of tDate
return   (item 1 of  tDate &"-" & item 2 of tDate &"-" & item 3 of
tDate)
END internationalDate

?? am I missing  something?

Worthy of a feature request?

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com

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Re: Report Builder

[Josh Mellicker]

This might be helpful:

http://www.quartam.com/


On Mar 17, 2006, at 4:22 AM, liamlambert wrote:


How do I add Report Builder to the tool menu in 2.7
It is there in a file ToolSet but does not show up in the
tool menu
thanks
Liam Lambert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
IRELAND


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Re: Internet Enabled Desktop Apps Alive and Well

[Josh Mellicker]

On Dec 19, 2006, at 6:27 AM, Tereza Snyder wrote:



Solstice salutations!



I am highly offended. Worship of the seasons is associated with  
unwholesome pagan ritual and witchcraft, and threatens our American  
way of... never mind, I can't even finish this sentence with a  
straight face. ;-)


Back atcha Tereza, you are the only one who appreciated my Fireworks  
import stack. :'-(lol

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Re: international Date

[Dave Cragg]

On 19 Dec 2006, at 11:13, Sivakatirswami wrote:


Am I the  only one who continues to be perplexed as to why the
international date format is not a standard engine function?


Worthy of a feature request?


Go for it!

For what it's worth, if you only have to insert into a MySQL datetime  
field (not sure about other SQL databases), it will accept any  
delimeter in the formatting, including commas. So you can use item 1  
to 6 of a dateitems variable and use it directly without any conversion.


Happy Day Before Boxing Day.

Cheers
Dave (aka Sebastian Boyette)
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Re: PDF and Rev

[Bruce A. Pokras]

Stephen,

I'm using Rev 2.5...


 >Launch document?

 This was added in Rev 2.7.1

 Just tested, this works in Rev 2.7.4gm Mac (without word wrap):

 launch document "/Applications Third
 Party/PROGRAMMING/REVOLUTION/Revolution
 Enterprise/2.7.1-gm-1/Documentation/pdf/users_guide/all.pdf"

 >
 >These are native rev calls. These don't work for you?

 > >


JB,

Here are some shell scripts that were actually posted a long while 
ago, so they might work under Rev 2.5.  They will launch the default 
browser, PDF reader or text editor (depending upon the type of file 
it is you are trying to launch). I have them in an app of mine, and 
they seem to work fine.


Bruce Pokras
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blazing Dawn Software
www.blazingdawn.com


on DisplayFile launchFile -- launchFile is the full path to the file

if the platform is "MacOS" and char 1 of the systemVersion is "1" then
openMac launchfile -- if there is not going to be a Classic 
version, there's no need to test for the systemVersion
   
   
  else if the platform is "Win32" then

get the shortFilePath of launchFile

replace "/" with "\" in it
if the systemVersion contains "Windows 4" then
  openWin4 it
else if the systemversion contains "NT" then
  openWin5 it
end if

  end if

end displayFile

on openMac theDoc
  get shell("/usr/bin/open '" & theDoc & "'" )
end openMac

on openWin4 theDoc
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true
  get shell("cmd /c" && theDoc )
end openWin4

on openWin5 theDoc
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true
  put shell("start" && theDoc )
end openWin5
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Re: playSelection problems

[J. Landman Gay]

Brad Sampson wrote:

I am having a problem.  I am using the playSelection property because
I want my movie to end at the endTime.  However, the playStopped
message doesn't seem to be sent.  What is the problem?  Is there a way
to make it be sent, or do I have to use a repeat loop that constantly
checks if the currentTime is past the endTime?


See "bug":



When a selection is set, you get a "playPaused" message instead of a 
"playStopped".


I've seen the same problem when NO selection is set, though. If I 
remember right, it works okay in Windows but playStopped isn't sent in 
OS X. I ended up having to run a "send in " command every few 
milliseconds to determine if the movie was done. The handler checks the 
currentTime against the duration, and if they are the same, the movie is 
finished. I used this method when bug #1033 hit me, which was mostly 
fixed later on.


There's something wonky about the player in OS X though. When I use this 
looping technique, if I click near the end of the movie and then let it 
play the remaining few seconds to completion, Rev tells me that the 
duration of the movie and the currentTime of the movie are the same. But 
if I drag the controller all the way to the end manually, Rev says the 
currentTime and the duration are not the same.


This is probably related to bug #2283, which RR couldn't reproduce. But 
it hit me again just yesterday.


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Re: Geometry No Longer Supported?

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Sivakatirswami,

My altClean stack has a checkbox for wiping out the RevGeometry stuff. You
can download it by putting in the message box:

go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/revAltCleanStack.rev";

Also, I have my own Geometry Manager which I use for my projects called
altLayout. You can access it at:

go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/AltLayout.rev";

To use it, you'll need to palette the stack first (click on invisible button
upperleft of the stack). I recently added layout support for multiple
cards-- geometry is automatically handled on a preOpenCard message at the
stack level, so you'll need to make sure and pass it if you have one in the
stack script.

It places scripts in stacks, and doesn't use a library. I suppose I could
make it work with a library, but I often have to tweak things for specific
needs and since it's not all inclusive, I've decided to install it in each
stack where it's needed.

best,

Chipp

On 12/19/06, Sivakatirswami <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Meanwhile on next iteration I will probably write my own geometry
handlers for this one.

Question remains: let's say you just want to "wipe out Rev Geometry"
 clean it out of the stack entirely
what do you do?  I note in the docs I should be able to find some
revGroup  and delete that... anything else?

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Re: [OT] SheepShaver and printing...

[Ken Ray]

On 12/18/06 9:05 PM, "Jim Carwardine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Ken Ray, I have another question about running SheepShaver.
> 
> I needed to install a printer driver for my printer (Canon I860 USB inkjet),
> so I downloaded the OS 9 driver from the Canon web site using Explorer from
> inside SheepShaver.  After I installed it, I could see it in the Chooser but
> when I selected it, it couldn't find a port.  Nothing showed on the right
> hand side of the Chooser window.  When I select Page Setup, it shows the
> i860 dialogue but when I close the dialogue box, it tells me that I need to
> choose a printer from the Chooser.
> 
> When I installed OS 9 in SheepShaver, I used OS 9.0 but it still can handle
> USB.  Is there something special I need to do to allow USB access?
> 
> I also have a Brother MFC 7820N laser printer that is networked to my
> computer.  Would that be a better choice because I might then use one of the
> already installed Apple printer drivers to run it?

Sorry, Jim... I haven't been able to get USB to work for anything but
mounting USB hard drives/flash drives... couldn't even get much after doing
a web search either...
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Solstice salutations!

[Judy Perry]

OTOH,

There are, regrettably, those for whom proper usage of the language isn't
even a priority.

Heard last week during student presentations on the subject of the
computer impact on society vis-a-vis telemedicine and the case of Jeri
Nielsen:

"Computers and telemedicine enabled Dr. Jeri Nielsen to perform her own
autopsy..."

The student repeated the phrase at least three times.  When I corrected
him, he said, "biopsy, autopsy.. whatever."

I nearly fell off my chair.

Judy

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> >Solstice salutations!
>
> >>That is SO much better than the  generic "Happy Holidays"!
> >>thanks.
>
> I concur, and perhaps the  best we can hope for in these hyper-sensitive,
> criticism-aware times.
>
> But *please* don't get me started on that!
>
> /H
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Re: Solstice salutations!

[Scott Kane]

The student repeated the phrase at least three times.  When I corrected
him, he said, "biopsy, autopsy.. whatever."


LOL.  I have this picture of the computer with a hack-saw about to slice 
open her ribs.


Scott 


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