exporting snapshot with cursor visible?
is there a way to make the cursor visible on the image with the export snapshot with rect command? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
I'm with Richard on this one. I can't imagine any features in a post 2.6version of Rev you'd *NEED* for Classic. Of course, I may be missing some. best, Chipp It is not only about new features. What about having to keep two different versions of Rev as a developer? As Enterprise customer, I'd rather use the same version for all my development work instead of switching depending on the project. What about people who don't upgrade (and thus give money to RR) on that account? Have you noticed how many people mention staying still with 2.6.1 (makes me wonder how many more don't mention that). RR kept saying that newer version for OS9 is coming, for whatever that is worth, but haven't delivered. Just like you want RR to fix your favorite bugs, Linux users want to get Linux version up to date, people who are stuck with OS9 want to get a newer version. The fact that my favorite bug does not affect you can't be a reason for RR ignoring it, and this is what some people seem to be saying. Ending full OS9 support would be easier if RR did proper branching of their releases, so they could continue to fix critical bugs in whatever is the last OS9 release. But they do a single-trunk releases, so to get any bug fixes we have to upgrade. We don't expect RR to support OS9 for ever, but it is in RR's interest to leave it at a feature-rich and low-bug release, particularly if they stay with a single-trunk release model. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Hi Jacqueline, Nice work investigating this bug! Now we have three types of work-arounds, my the recentcards approach, your explicit stack reference approach, and your set the defaultstack approach. I have tested the latter in myBigComplexApp and it seems to work. I most prefer your defaultstack approach. Thank you so much! Now, would you go one step further and agree that this bug is very serious because it causes data loss? Let me explain... Jacqueline wrote: If a second answer dialog is executed immediately after the first, subsequent lines of code in my handler do not execute. What's odd, however, is that the pass shutdownrequest line at the very end of the handler *does* run -- but that seems to be the only thing. Upon Quitting myBigComplexApp, the user is offered a chance to Save, Do Not Save, or Cancel. If the user Saves, the only part of my handler that executes correctly is the pass shutdown request. Thus the app quits without saving the data. One other thing... I do not feel that this bug has been fully characterized. In the simple example that I first posted (and that Jacqueline tested), the bug crops up only when the Quit dialog is cancelled and then called up again. In myBigComplexApp the bug occurs on the *FIRST* Quit dialog. That, by the way, is how I discovered this bug (data loss upon quitting). I doubt that I would have discovered this bug if I had to Quit, Cancel, and Quit again to elicit it. I don't (yet) know why it behaves differently in myBigComplexApp. Until I do learn more about it, I cannot be 100% confident that the work-arounds will always work (but I am 99% confident in Jacqueline's diagnosis and work-around. And one last thought for today... upon rereading this thread and rerereading the documentation I have an hypothesis to try and test... From the dictionary: The topStack is the frontmost stack with the lowest mode. From the documentation: A stack that is closed, but loaded into memory has a mode property of Zero. If the rev engine closes a dialog stack but fails to remove it from memory, its mode would be zero. I don't see how it could also be frontmost if it is closed, but the behavior of the bug (usually occurring on the second dialog), suggests that the dialog must be loaded into memory once before it can cause problems. Perhaps when the dialog is called a second time the engine makes it frontmost *before* the engine changes its mode from 0 to 5. In that instant the dialog could become the topstack and the defaultstack. --Michael Binder ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WOW -New Features in 2.8.1
You wrote: I was just going over the new features article in the Rev newsletter. Wow! Now I get how 'Private Handlers' and the 'split by row and column' features could really be useful.. speed.. very well done explanatory article. Thanks Marcus and Oliver. Nice to get details from the coder/designers! http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue26/newsletter1.php Double WOW!! Okay this may seem as a VERY VERY good feature for experienced coders. And it is. Howerver, this is the one thing that will enable novices and intermediaries like myself write apps a lot faster adn easier. Rather than have to declare things all over the place and wonmder if you have missed something elsewher ethat may conflict. Simply make it private to the object. I've not done anything recently, however, I expect I'll be back in June and hammering away and grabbing rev by the privates. I know, I know, I couldnt resist. :-) Cheers Bob; sunny Scotland ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Message box history menu (was: Re: ctrl-y does a paste on Mac?)
Hi Jim, Le 18 mai 07 à 01:57, Jim Ault a écrit : Actually, in Hypercard 1.0, one of the things that Kevin Altis created and I (in my Portland, Oregon days) expanded on was a msg box and command history menu. Very cool to have the most recent commands in a menu that was easy to maintain. You might have a look at Message Box Picker: http:// www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolutionl=en Additional functionalities for the message box: This utility reorganizes the message history and puts the messages into chronological order, deletes any doubles and installs in the message box a drop-down menu that can be completely personalized and that makes it possible to bring up or to send a message with one mouse click. Bilingual utility (installer and uninstaller.) Help stack included. :-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
problems with standalone maker in 2.8.1
Hi, with that new release I have very annoying problems : everytime I want to compile my project I get these warnings : -- a stack answer dialog in file xxx is already in memory... etc. then REV saves my project again with the answer dialog stack which I DO NOT have incorparated in my stack... then REV continues the building process and comes up again with this message : -- a stack revMacCursors (which I do not have included neither into my project) is already in memory same story as above : saving and continuing process... ...after the process I have my project modified : now these stacks mentioned above are in my project... --- Another thing I remarked is that actions (here : like hiding objects) which work in the development environment don't in the standalone... very strange (I tried to trace every action in the button script and it seemed that it stopped at the middle of the script wihtout reason... no there is no exit whatever...) I'll continue trying to find out what this is ; perhaps you have similar problems ? Greets, Christian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: problems with standalone maker in 2.8.1
Hi Christian, I reported this bug before. Feel free to add your comments, including those concerning revMacCursors, I will change the summary accordingly. Don't forget to vote, if you have any votes left. http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3960 The second problem sounds like an error in your script. You might want to post your script here. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 19-mei-2007, om 15:13 heeft Christian Langers het volgende geschreven: Hi, with that new release I have very annoying problems : everytime I want to compile my project I get these warnings : -- a stack answer dialog in file xxx is already in memory... etc. then REV saves my project again with the answer dialog stack which I DO NOT have incorparated in my stack... then REV continues the building process and comes up again with this message : -- a stack revMacCursors (which I do not have included neither into my project) is already in memory same story as above : saving and continuing process... ...after the process I have my project modified : now these stacks mentioned above are in my project... --- Another thing I remarked is that actions (here : like hiding objects) which work in the development environment don't in the standalone... very strange (I tried to trace every action in the button script and it seemed that it stopped at the middle of the script wihtout reason... no there is no exit whatever...) I'll continue trying to find out what this is ; perhaps you have similar problems ? Greets, Christian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Chipp, We had to make the OS 9/OS X decision on the business system we sell. We estimate there are about 500 OS 9 computers still in use by our customers. But we decided to support OS X only with the new version. The thought was: those who are satisfied with the old OS are satisfied with the old version of our software. I suspect this is true in education as well. One could make an Apple II version of a program but even schools still using A IIs will be unlike to buy it. All of the local schools, public and private, here in San Dimas use modern computers. Of course, with the exception of the Looney household, SD is an affluent community so it may not be typical. Still, as a business person, I think it better to invest time, talent, and expertise in building software for those who are ready, willing, and able to buy it. And, in my experience, those who are running really old hardware and OSes are not looking to upgrade other software. There may be a lot of classic computers in education but that doesn't mean there is a big market for classic programs. I, too, agree with Richard: OS 2.6.1 provides almost everything a classic programmer is likely to need. Let Rev deploy its resources elsewhere. Paul Looney ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Private commands
Sounds kind of pornographic doesn't it :) Hope it doesn't get trapped in you spam filters! A little complex this one - changing a command to a private command has stopped a script working for a reason I can't work out. The situation is: 1) I have a getprop handler layout_Outline that calls a... 2) Recursive command 3) The recursive command hander uses a call by reference parameter Nothing else. No call to any other handlers inside or outside of the script. Now it works as a straight command but not when changed to private command. Does anyone know if private command handlers fail with either getprops, recursive, or call-by-reference thingies ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: problems with standalone maker in 2.8.1
Hi Mark, ok, I added my comments and addionnally this I forgot to mention : after the building process I do refresh the application browser and see that the revMacCursors stack is there as a main stack ; I remove it from memory and refresh the app browser again ; now it appears as a substack of my mainStack and additionnally there is a stack revExternalLibrary as a substack of my project ; so I delete these intruders and finally save my stack... Christian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Ask Answer dialogs
Hi Everyone, I’m always in the IDE of Revolution and I use Mac OSX. It seems to me that the ask and answer dialog boxes come up VERY slowly. Also, I can’t seem to get a beep to sound simultaneously with those dialogs. Is there a way to address this simply? Joe in Orlando Florida ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Branching would require Rev to use an old, outdated compiler. Not gonna happen. The inclusion of OS9 at this time is depends on parallel development. Separate code for 9 would be a total waste of time. Ending full OS9 support would be easier if RR did proper branching of their releases, so they could continue to fix critical bugs in whatever is the last OS9 release. But they do a single-trunk releases, so to get any bug fixes we have to upgrade. We don't expect RR to support OS9 for ever, but it is in RR's interest to leave it at a feature-rich and low-bug release, particularly if they stay with a single-trunk release model. Robert -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ask Answer dialogs
Hi Joe, I completely agree with you. The answer dialog comes up way too slow in Revolution, compared to e.g. AppleScript, SuperCard, or Apple's XCode. Interesting is that the problem doesn't go away if I use a really fast Mac with a CPU speed of 2.5Ghz or thereabout. Also, if I make my own dialog window and show that window as a modeless stack using my own script, the problem doesn't occur. I suspect that there are so many scripts executed to make the answer dialog look right, that slow down the disaply of the dialog in a noticeable way. I did a test and noticed that Rev 2.0.3 does not have this problem, which means that it must be possible to solve this. I have reported this as a bug. You can find the report here: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4999 Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 19-mei-2007, om 16:46 heeft [EMAIL PROTECTED] het volgende geschreven: Hi Everyone, I’m always in the IDE of Revolution and I use Mac OSX. It seems to me that the ask and answer dialog boxes come up VERY slowly. Also, I can’t seem to get a beep to sound simultaneously with those dialogs. Is there a way to address this simply? Joe in Orlando Florida ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Michael Binder wrote: Hi Jacqueline, Nice work investigating this bug! Now we have three types of work-arounds, my the recentcards approach, your explicit stack reference approach, and your set the defaultstack approach. I have tested the latter in myBigComplexApp and it seems to work. I most prefer your defaultstack approach. Thank you so much! No problem. I like that approach best too. Now, would you go one step further and agree that this bug is very serious because it causes data loss? I've entered the bug into the Quality Control Center, but marked it as minor. There are specific requirements listed for rating a bug's status, and if there is a work-around available (and we have three) then that's the correct rating. If you would like to add your comments, you can do it here: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4994 One other thing... I do not feel that this bug has been fully characterized. In the simple example that I first posted (and that Jacqueline tested), the bug crops up only when the Quit dialog is cancelled and then called up again. In myBigComplexApp the bug occurs on the *FIRST* Quit dialog. That, by the way, is how I discovered this bug (data loss upon quitting). I doubt that I would have discovered this bug if I had to Quit, Cancel, and Quit again to elicit it. I don't (yet) know why it behaves differently in myBigComplexApp. Until I do learn more about it, I cannot be 100% confident that the work-arounds will always work (but I am 99% confident in Jacqueline's diagnosis and work-around. I'm pretty confident about it, I think you can implement the change without worry. I agree that my bug report, based on my tests, may not represent the full extent of the problem but I think it's probably enough for the engineers to see what's going on and fix it. If you have other examples though, it would be great if you could add them to the report. If the rev engine closes a dialog stack but fails to remove it from memory, its mode would be zero. I don't see how it could also be frontmost if it is closed, but the behavior of the bug (usually occurring on the second dialog), suggests that the dialog must be loaded into memory once before it can cause problems. Perhaps when the dialog is called a second time the engine makes it frontmost *before* the engine changes its mode from 0 to 5. In that instant the dialog could become the topstack and the defaultstack. Maybe, who knows what's going on in the engine. What I suspect is that the engine is losing track of the defaultstack, and it may be that the report you got about this stack was based on an earlier value which is no longer valid, or else the engine is just reporting a spurious result. By the way, I was talking to Richard Gaskin about this and he noted that he'd seen a similar problem in his stacks with the answer dialog (not on quitting, just in general use.) It just cropped up recently; previously the same scripts worked fine. He thinks the bug was introduced when RR fixed a separate window layering problem. That makes sense and fits the data, including your observation that sometimes the problem occurs on the first iteration of the dialog. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Error in docs about file creation date
On Fri, 18 May 2007, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wilhelm Sanke wrote: While trying to add the creation date to the filename in a thumbs application I noticed that the creation date is actually item 5 of the detailed files rather than item 4, number 4 really containing the modification date. Since the detailed files was introduced in Rev version 1.0 and modified in 1.1 nobody seems to have made use of the creation date over the last years? On my OS X machine, it's the way the docs say. What OS are you using? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com I observed this while working on a WindowsXP machine, and I have now checked what happens on MacOS (still 10.3.9 on my G4 Powerbook). For the testing I used two JPG-images, both taken on March 4 with a digital camera. I modfied one of these images today - May 19 - by changing the contrast with PaintshopPro 11 and saving the image under the same name. For purposes of comparison, let's call this image M for modification. I did not touch or change the second image in any way, let's call it O for original. I copied both images to the Powerbook using an USB stick. Looking at the EXIF data of the images (with PaintshopPro on Windows) I get this information: Image M: date and time : May 19 original date : March 4 digitalized: : March 4 Image O: date and time : March 4 original date : March 4 digitalized: : March 4 Loading the two images into my thumbs application and using the detailed files I get with item 5 of the detailed files image M: May 19, and for image O: March 4. With item 4 of the detailed files I get March 15 for both images, which is apparently the date I transferred the images from my camera to the computer, a value not contained in the EXIF data. On my Mac: The photo information in iTunes reads for image M: created (aufgenommen in German): March 4 digitalized: March 4 modified : March 4 imported : May 19 for image O: created:March 4 digitalized: March 4 modified : March 4 imported : May 19 Now the corresponding image information in the thumbs stack on the Powerbook: With item 5 of the detailed files I get May 19 for image M and March 4 for image O. With item 4 of the detailed files I get Jan 18, 2038 for both images!(?); maybe this is an effect of the USB stick? (The date information in the systems folder shows correctly the date of today May 19.) Here is the script snippet I use to append the creation date to the image name field under the thumb: put item 5 of line i of tdetfiles into Datum convert Datum from dateitems to long date put Tabitem 2 to 3 of Datum after fld Feld Summary: - modification and creation dates are not exactly corresponding to EXIF or iTunes information - using item 4 of the detailed files which somehow returns a transfer date is not really useful. It probably only returns a creation date when an image was created on the computer and not transferred from elsewhere. -- Wilhelm Sanke http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
Hi, Le 19 mai 07 à 01:26, Luis a écrit : Oh Essex 10.4.9 Judging from Devin Asay's post this may point to a processor issue, as his worked ok on an Intel box, whereas Thierry's crashed too (assuming PowerPC as he didn't mention otherwise). I did try on MacBook ( Intel Core 2 Duo ) / Mac OSX 10.4.9 / 2 GRam Didn't do anything special, only walk through the Demo and stay playing with the google link but it crashes quite quickly ( the last 2 pages ) Sorry, no time to investigate more precisely at the moment. Regards, thierry Cheers, Luis. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple of seconds later boom! Cheers, Luis. On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an error dialog that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page, then it loads and looks normal. Probably just badly formed javascript. What platform is experiencing the crash? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Robert Brenstein wrote: It is not only about new features. What about having to keep two different versions of Rev as a developer? Indeed, if they spent tens of thousands of dollars a handful of their customers could enjoy the relatively minor convenience of clicking one Build button rather than two. But think about it: Even if they gave us a Classic engine today, the feature parity would be short-lived. Soon after there would be a new version of Rev, and we all understand they can't support forever an OS Apple themselves abandoned long ago. Within weeks of any new Classic engine the parity convenience would be gone as the engine continues to move forward. RR kept saying that newer version for OS9 is coming, for whatever that is worth, but haven't delivered. Just like you want RR to fix your favorite bugs, Linux users want to get Linux version up to date, people who are stuck with OS9 want to get a newer version. I think the order you listed them makes good business sense. Fortunately that also seems to be the order in which they're being addressed. The fact that my favorite bug does not affect you can't be a reason for RR ignoring it, and this is what some people seem to be saying. Stephen Barncard raised an interesting, perhaps definitive point: Branching would require Rev to use an old, outdated compiler. I believe he's right: AFAIK, there's no compiler which will let you build for both Intel Macs and Classic. All modern compilers have abandoned Classic. This would mean that not only would building for Classic require forking throughout the codebase, but would require forking every element in their process, and maintaining a separate set of outdated headers, some of which may be incompatible with modern replacements and require additional forking. In short, an extremely costly mess. And all to deliver 15 minutes of feature parity for people who can't really use most v2.7 and 2.8's new features in Classic anyway. I hadn't thought about the compiler angle before, but if it's as hairy as I guess it would REALLY benefit RunRev to just have a frank discussion here about the disproportionate costs, encourage people to use v2.6.1 for Classic builds, and move on with their busy day. Ending full OS9 support would be easier if RR did proper branching of their releases, so they could continue to fix critical bugs in whatever is the last OS9 release. We're currently seven years past Apple's kill date for OS 9. Apple themselves no longer provides any patches for it, and haven't for more than half a decade. Exactly how long do you feel it would be reasonable for a third-party vendor to exceed Apple's commitment to the OS they abandoned? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Error in docs about file creation date
Wilhelm Sanke wrote: snip with item 5 of the detailed files image M: May 19, and for image O: March 4. This is correct, yes? With item 4 of the detailed files I get March 15 for both images, which is apparently the date I transferred the images from my camera to the computer, a value not contained in the EXIF data. I see that on my Mac sometimes too. It seems to happen when copying a file between volumes (like when you transfered the file from the USB stick.) On my Mac: The photo information in iTunes reads for image M: created (aufgenommen in German): March 4 digitalized: March 4 modified : March 4 imported : May 19 for image O: created:March 4 digitalized: March 4 modified : March 4 imported : May 19 Now the corresponding image information in the thumbs stack on the Powerbook: With item 5 of the detailed files I get May 19 for image M and March 4 for image O. This also looks right to me. Item 5 is the modification date. With item 4 of the detailed files I get Jan 18, 2038 for both images!(?); maybe this is an effect of the USB stick? (The date information in the systems folder shows correctly the date of today May 19.) Here is the script snippet I use to append the creation date to the image name field under the thumb: put item 5 of line i of tdetfiles into Datum convert Datum from dateitems to long date put Tabitem 2 to 3 of Datum after fld Feld Shouldn't line 2 be convert Datum from seconds to long date? Does it work if you change that line? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Jacqueline wrote: I was talking to Richard Gaskin about this and he noted that he'd seen a similar problem in his stacks with the answer dialog (not on quitting, just in general use.) It just cropped up recently; previously the same scripts worked fine. He thinks the bug was introduced when RR fixed a separate window layering problem. How long ago does he think this bug was introduced? If its the same bug that Steve Wagenseller reported to this list on Jan 19, 2006 at 10:35, then its been around for a while: I'm trapping the Quit message from the menubar via a shutdownrequest handler, but in the standalone, something curious occurs. The first time I choose Quit I can get the trap script to run (basically, an Are you sure? prompt along with some save options). The second time I choose Quit from the menu, the trap is not implemented. I am not passing the handler along, it sits at the stack level, and I am using an exit to top to get out of the shutdownrequest handler when Cancel is chosen. Have any of you experienced this strange problem -- that the trap only works once -- and do you have suggestions? --Steve Being only 6 weeks into revolution I don't have any old versions of rev to test this bug on. --Michael Binder (who's ready to move on from this thread and try out some of these exciting new private commands) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Error in docs about file creation date
J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the script snippet I use to append the creation date to the image name field under the thumb: put item 5 of line i of tdetfiles into Datum convert Datum from dateitems to long date put Tabitem 2 to 3 of Datum after fld Feld Shouldn't line 2 be convert Datum from seconds to long date? Does it work if you change that line? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software With from seconds to long date I get the same results as with dateitems, namely March 15 for item 4 of the detailed files - which is the transfer date, i.e. *not* the creation date that is part of the EXIF information. Same for item 5, May 19, and March 4 who could indeed be construed as modification dates. But then, it seems there is no reliable procedure to get at the creation dates when you use the detailed files - meaning the docs are not fully correct here. Like with the EXIF image information in PaintshopPro, Alex Tweedly's libEXIF stack correctly returns the creation dates of the same images in question, i.e. the very same images at the same place which return transfer dates when you use the detailed files I will take a closer look at Alex's stack to see whether part of the functions could be incorporated into my thumbs stack to display reliable creation.data, depending, of course, on Alex's agreement. Regards, Wilhelm Sanke http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: Descent FTP Client for Windows?
I'm looking for a descent FTP Client for Windows XP. I loved Transmit on the Mac, but I'm unable to find anything that compares to it's ease-of-use. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm looking for something that supports Drag Drop, Queuing, and Multiple Sockets. Derek Bump Dreamscape Software Compress photos easily with JPEGCompress www.dreamscapesoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Descent FTP Client for Windows?
SmartFTP (http://www.smartftp.com/) ?.. Viktoras ---Original Message--- From: Derek Bump Date: 05/20/07 00:10:06 To: How to use Revolution Subject: OT: Descent FTP Client for Windows? I'm looking for a descent FTP Client for Windows XP. I loved Transmit on the Mac, but I'm unable to find anything that compares to it's ease-of-use. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm looking for something that supports Drag Drop, Queuing, and Multiple Sockets. Derek Bump Dreamscape Software Compress photos easily with JPEGCompress www.dreamscapesoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
On 5/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thought was: those who are satisfied with the old OS are satisfied with the old version of our software. snip I suspect this is true in education as well. One could make an Apple II version of a program but even schools still using A IIs will be unlike to buy it. There may be a lot of classic computers in education but that doesn't mean there is a big market for classic programs. Excellent points Paul. I hadn't thought of it that way, but of course you're right. If you're not interested in upgrading hardware, why would you upgrade software? -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Descent FTP Client for Windows?
I like portable FileZilla, which can be put on a thumbdrive (or ANYWHERE on your computer) and does all that you're looking for...plus it's free. www.portableapps.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Message box history menu (was: Re: ctrl-y does a paste on Mac?)
Excellent utility! I find that with Rev I don't use the message box as often as I used to (in the HCard days) I was much more into using stacks rather than creating them. I will check this out. Thanks Jim On 5/19/07 5:52 AM, Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jim, Le 18 mai 07 à 01:57, Jim Ault a écrit : Actually, in Hypercard 1.0, one of the things that Kevin Altis created and I (in my Portland, Oregon days) expanded on was a msg box and command history menu. Very cool to have the most recent commands in a menu that was easy to maintain. You might have a look at Message Box Picker: http:// www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolutionl=en Additional functionalities for the message box: This utility reorganizes the message history and puts the messages into chronological order, deletes any doubles and installs in the message box a drop-down menu that can be completely personalized and that makes it possible to bring up or to send a message with one mouse click. Bilingual utility (installer and uninstaller.) Help stack included. :-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Descent FTP Client for Windows?
Chipp Walters wrote: I like portable FileZilla, which can be put on a thumbdrive (or ANYWHERE on your computer) and does all that you're looking for...plus it's free. www.portableapps.com Also of course there's a regular version of FileZilla which is at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/filezilla Martin Baxter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Error in docs about file creation date
Wilhelm Sanke wrote: With from seconds to long date I get the same results as with dateitems, namely March 15 for item 4 of the detailed files - which is the transfer date, i.e. *not* the creation date that is part of the EXIF information. I think Rev just makes a call to the OS to get the info. If the detailed file info matches the Finder (or the info in Windows Explorer) then I think the behavior is correct. Rev doesn't actually read any of the files itself, it just gets whatever the OS returns. Same for item 5, May 19, and March 4 who could indeed be construed as modification dates. But then, it seems there is no reliable procedure to get at the creation dates when you use the detailed files - meaning the docs are not fully correct here. See if they match what the OS thinks they should be. If they do, then I think it's working. If you need to read the stored EXIF data instead, then you'd need to use Alex's utility or something similar. When I copy files to my Windows box, it too changes the creation date sometimes. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Michael Binder wrote: Jacqueline wrote: I was talking to Richard Gaskin about this and he noted that he'd seen a similar problem in his stacks with the answer dialog (not on quitting, just in general use.) It just cropped up recently; previously the same scripts worked fine. He thinks the bug was introduced when RR fixed a separate window layering problem. How long ago does he think this bug was introduced? If its the same bug that Steve Wagenseller reported to this list on Jan 19, 2006 at 10:35, then its been around for a while: Can't remember when that was, maybe Richard does. I don't think it was as long ago as January 2006 though. Being only 6 weeks into revolution I don't have any old versions of rev to test this bug on. Looks to me like you're doing a pretty good job after only 6 weeks. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
I hate to raise yet another point; but what about brand new, inexpensive software targeted specifically at young children with eduction more in mind than profit? Joe Wilkins On May 19, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: On 5/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thought was: those who are satisfied with the old OS are satisfied with the old version of our software. snip I suspect this is true in education as well. One could make an Apple II version of a program but even schools still using A IIs will be unlike to buy it. There may be a lot of classic computers in education but that doesn't mean there is a big market for classic programs. Excellent points Paul. I hadn't thought of it that way, but of course you're right. If you're not interested in upgrading hardware, why would you upgrade software? -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
But think about it: Even if they gave us a Classic engine today, the feature parity would be short-lived. Soon after there would be a new version of Rev, and we all understand they can't support forever an OS Apple themselves abandoned long ago. Richard, Chipp, Paul, and others Those tirades for uselessness of OS9 and its support are missing the point. Nobody is arguing that effort in producing OS9 version could not be used better, although whatever RR does, somebody won't be happy. It is a business decision of RR what they do. Let me just remind that what started this thread was an innocent inquiry whether we can expect 2.8.1 for OS9 since 2.7 was promised but never materialized. This is along the same lines as the other thread discussing RR starting public beta for 2.7.5 but releasing 2.8 and 2.8.1 instead. Inquiring minds want to know about OS9, but obviously this is a wrong forum to ask this, and thus this whole discussion is waste of time and electrons. I believe he's right: AFAIK, there's no compiler which will let you build for both Intel Macs and Classic. All modern compilers have abandoned Classic. This would mean that not only would building for Classic require forking throughout the codebase, but would require forking every element in their process, and maintaining a separate set of outdated headers, some of which may be incompatible with modern replacements and require additional forking. I don't know how Rev is building different releases, so there is no point to speculate as to what is involved and what stalled them from releasing 2.7 build for OS9. And all to deliver 15 minutes of feature parity for people who can't really use most v2.7 and 2.8's new features in Classic anyway. To be honest, feature parity is not it. If something makes no sense for OS9, there is no reason to have it included. There is no and has never been full feature parity for all platforms anyway. However, considering a decent number of fairly old bugs being fixed in 2.8.1, I suspect that many of these are present in 2.6.1, so it may be prudent for RR to make 2.8.x the end of life for Rev for OS9. We're currently seven years past Apple's kill date for OS 9. Apple themselves no longer provides any patches for it, and haven't for more than half a decade. Microsoft does not provide upgrades for W98 anymore, so by the same measure, you should also advocate for RR to abandon supporting Windows versions prior to XP. W98 is more buggy than OS9 I dare say. Exactly how long do you feel it would be reasonable for a third-party vendor to exceed Apple's commitment to the OS they abandoned? As I said earlier, if RR announced in due time that 2.6.1 was the last OS9 version, we could have lived with that. The only thing I would expect of them would be to retain a capability to release a OS9-specific fix should any critical bugs (yes, critical not just any bugs) need addressing later on. That simply requires keeping one computer that can produce 2.6.2 build for OS9 from the 2.6.1 codebase (or whatever the last OS9 release is). Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Descent FTP Client for Windows?
Whether you go for the standard or the portable edition, FileZilla is the best, bar none. I like portable FileZilla, which can be put on a thumbdrive (or ANYWHERE on your computer) and does all that you're looking for...plus it's free. www.portableapps.com Also of course there's a regular version of FileZilla which is at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/filezilla ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
Thank you, Robert. You've got the essence, which I feel can be summarized with a single word: predictability. Joe Wilkins On May 19, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote: Richard, Chipp, Paul, and others Those tirades for uselessness of OS9 and its support are missing the point. Nobody is arguing that effort in producing OS9 version could not be used better, although whatever RR does, somebody won't be happy. It is a business decision of RR what they do. Let me just remind that what started this thread was an innocent inquiry whether we can expect 2.8.1 for OS9 since 2.7 was promised but never materialized. This is along the same lines as the other thread discussing RR starting public beta for 2.7.5 but releasing 2.8 and 2.8.1 instead. Inquiring minds want to know about OS9, but obviously this is a wrong forum to ask this, and thus this whole discussion is waste of time and electrons. I believe he's right: AFAIK, there's no compiler which will let you build for both Intel Macs and Classic. All modern compilers have abandoned Classic. This would mean that not only would building for Classic require forking throughout the codebase, but would require forking every element in their process, and maintaining a separate set of outdated headers, some of which may be incompatible with modern replacements and require additional forking. I don't know how Rev is building different releases, so there is no point to speculate as to what is involved and what stalled them from releasing 2.7 build for OS9. And all to deliver 15 minutes of feature parity for people who can't really use most v2.7 and 2.8's new features in Classic anyway. To be honest, feature parity is not it. If something makes no sense for OS9, there is no reason to have it included. There is no and has never been full feature parity for all platforms anyway. However, considering a decent number of fairly old bugs being fixed in 2.8.1, I suspect that many of these are present in 2.6.1, so it may be prudent for RR to make 2.8.x the end of life for Rev for OS9. We're currently seven years past Apple's kill date for OS 9. Apple themselves no longer provides any patches for it, and haven't for more than half a decade. Microsoft does not provide upgrades for W98 anymore, so by the same measure, you should also advocate for RR to abandon supporting Windows versions prior to XP. W98 is more buggy than OS9 I dare say. Exactly how long do you feel it would be reasonable for a third- party vendor to exceed Apple's commitment to the OS they abandoned? As I said earlier, if RR announced in due time that 2.6.1 was the last OS9 version, we could have lived with that. The only thing I would expect of them would be to retain a capability to release a OS9-specific fix should any critical bugs (yes, critical not just any bugs) need addressing later on. That simply requires keeping one computer that can produce 2.6.2 build for OS9 from the 2.6.1 codebase (or whatever the last OS9 release is). Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Build for Classic
From: Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Excellent points Paul. I hadn't thought of it that way, but of course you're right. If you're not interested in upgrading hardware, why would you upgrade software? Indeed! It also applies to Windows. In years past I used to survey my customers (who bought online) and of course read the server logs. Most new customers came from OS versions current to one or two before. According to developers of my acquaintance this has not changed with most clients buying (and we're talking 99% here) using currently XP and Win 2K (Vista is increasing but is still a small margin). While the logs show Win 9x users visiting they are not buying. Scott Kane Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending. -- Maria Robinson ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
Well, that's that theory down the toilet! Thanks for checking. Cheers, Luis. On 19 May 2007, at 17:35, 00bioarchimed wrote: Hi, Le 19 mai 07 à 01:26, Luis a écrit : Oh Essex 10.4.9 Judging from Devin Asay's post this may point to a processor issue, as his worked ok on an Intel box, whereas Thierry's crashed too (assuming PowerPC as he didn't mention otherwise). I did try on MacBook ( Intel Core 2 Duo ) / Mac OSX 10.4.9 / 2 GRam Didn't do anything special, only walk through the Demo and stay playing with the google link but it crashes quite quickly ( the last 2 pages ) Sorry, no time to investigate more precisely at the moment. Regards, thierry Cheers, Luis. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple of seconds later boom! Cheers, Luis. On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an error dialog that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page, then it loads and looks normal. Probably just badly formed javascript. What platform is experiencing the crash? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Descent FTP Client for Windows?
Well, I just got done trying out both SmartFTP and FileZilla. I have to say that FileZilla is a little more of what I was looking for. Still, the presence of a nice looking client like Transmit is still absent from the Windows platform. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I really appreciate it! Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/ Bill Marriott wrote: Whether you go for the standard or the portable edition, FileZilla is the best, bar none. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Private commands
Sounds kind of pornographic doesn't it :) Nothing wrong with that ;-) Take a look at the HTTP specs and the codes 416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable and 417 Expectation Failed almost looks like the women of the working group were making fun of the men on the working group ;-) Anyways, back to the topic at hand.. I too attempted to use a private command with parameters passed by reference and was just given a 417 as well (see above for the joke) I also came across another problem with the new private command feature and have detailed it in bug report 4997, but the basic gist of it is you can't use private commands for socket callback messages which is too bad because those are basically the ones I personally want to hide from the public API of the libraries *sigh* http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4997 -Sean ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
