date:20070606

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>> Any stack which launches everytime Rev does, goes into the
>> memory footprint and possibly adds frontscripts, backscripts
>> providing more opportunity to mess with the fragile IDE.
>
> I agree completely with Chipp. Good readily and obviously available
> template stacks much as Judy outlined them would be far more useful
> and much less dangerous.

I should clarify that I do too. The Home stack is currently a necessity 
in any IDE, so the impact in memory would not change.  And in keeping 
with MetaCard's central mandate, "Do No Harm", I can't imagine why any 
Home stack would need any frontScripts or backScripts.  HC never 
supported either feature, and we needn't much up any new Home stack with 
them.  It should be simple and self-contained, far simpler than 
RevOnline and, unlike RevOnline, open source for user modification.

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Re: There's no place like Home


On 6/6/07, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



As for any new Home stack, at the moment this is just a thought
experiment so the definition of Home stack for the 21st century is in
flux, to be determined by whatever people here express. :)

Here's the backstory:





OK, I understand it now. Frankly, I think my answer is the same with one
exception: I would like for the Home stack to do absolutely nothing other
than launch a list of other stacks and then get out of the way. That way, if
one creates a tutorial stack, they can drop it into the "Home stack" folder
and it will launch on startup. Or, one could put altToolbar (or whatever
utility stacks they have) in a folder and they will launch automatically on
startup. This way, you could ship MC IDE with all the functional 'home
stacks' you wanted, and the user only has to remove them from the Home
folder and they will no longer launch.

IOW, there is nothing within the Home stack which, when missing, would
hinder or prevent the MC IDE from running.

Just my 2 cents.
c
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Re: There's no place like Home


Chipp Walters wrote:

You can turn RevOnline off...In fact it's the first thing I do when I launch
a new version of Rev. If you could turn the 'Home' stack off..would it still
be a Home stack?


One could close the HC's Home stack, at least if some other stack was open.

As for any new Home stack, at the moment this is just a thought 
experiment so the definition of Home stack for the 21st century is in 
flux, to be determined by whatever people here express. :)


Here's the backstory:

Some substantial revisions are underway with the MetaCard IDE project, 
the original IDE stacks for this engine which have since become open source.


While working on some other parts it occurs to me that since Rev 2.7 the 
Home stack is really just a launcher.  It no longer handles the 
licensing stuff (that's handled much more securely and robustly in the 
engine itself now), and it's only role is that it's the stack that the 
development engine looks for on startup, and in turn it can open any 
other stack to start an IDE.


Since it was just sitting there, I've been pondering whether it makes 
sense to just hide it or perhaps have some useful stuff in it.  And of 
course it would be closeable, just like RevOnline.


So Home is at this point a clean slate.  It could be discarded, but I 
thought it would be fun to brainstorm with the folks here to see if 
maybe something valuable could be done with it.  Just maybe there is a 
way to redefine the concept of a Home stack for the 21st century


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Re: There's no place like Home

2007-06-06 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

I agree completely with Chipp. Good readily and obviously available  
template stacks much as Judy outlined them would be far more useful  
and much less dangerous.


Joe Wilkins

On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

Nothing. Absolutely Nothing. Any stack which launches everytime Rev  
does,
goes into the memory footprint and possibly adds frontscripts,  
backscripts
providing more opportunity to mess with the fragile IDE. Until the  
IDE runs
in it's own thread, I'd rather see some good demo stacks than a  
Home stack.


As I recall, the Home stack did a number of things for HC users. It
introduced them to HC, provided a place for permissioning, showed some
samples along with code, provided clip art and buttons, allowed  
users to use
it as an Address book, etc.. To pollute the Rev IDE with all of  
this seems a

bit overwhelming to me.

There certainly must be a better way to create a strong first time  
user

experience?

-Chipp

On 6/6/07, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


IWhat would you expect to see in a Rev Home stack?


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Re: Problem with Browser Sampler Stack in Rev/Mac 2.8.1

2007-06-06 Thread Bob Warren

Bob Warren wrote:

 Report #5121 
> Attachment #794 
> 
> 
> I've included the whole log (not very long since it's a new computer).

Jacque wrote:

Thanks for doing that, Bob. An update on the guy in the support queue 
who had the same problem: he had a demo version of Rev installed prior 
to installing the licensed version. He says when he uninstalled the demo 
and reinstalled the licensed version, he no longer had any problems and 
it all worked fine. Again, he's on Windows so it might be different. But 
we've heard of other folks having some issues if they've left an older 
demo in place. Do you have any demo versions installed?

No. On my new Mac Mini, I just downloaded the studio version from 
http://downloads.runrev.com/revolution/ and when I got my unlocking code 
from Heather, I put it in and began using the IDE.

Before getting my unlocking code, I did try running it on one occasion, 
but I had to abandon it because I didn't have the key yet. I wouldn't 
have thought that this could have affected anything.

As a matter of fact, I wasn't aware of the fact that there is such a 
thing as a "demo version". I thought that it was all the same piece of 
software that could be activated either by a "demo unlocking code" or a 
"licensed unlocking code".** If that is simply another way of viewing 
what you are really talking about, then certainly I did not receive any 
kind of "demo unlocking code" from Technical Support at any stage.

[** Or is it that anyone who has activated the software with a demo code 
has to uninstall it and re-install it again to enter the new licensed 
code? It's so long since I did any of this, I really don't remember.]

I could try uninstalling it and installing it again, if you think that 
would do any good. In fact, I think I'll do it now out of curiosity..

I uninstalled Rev completely, downloaded it again, and reinstalled. No 
change. It didn't fix anything regarding the Browser Sampler Stack.

Oh well, back to the drawing board. There must be something in my 
particular machine that is aggravating the problem of course, but other 
people's temporary difficulties with this stack seem to indicate that 
there is definitely something wrong with it. Perhaps even a problem of 
timing or something. If the engineers cannot find the problem, then as I 
said, the only thing I can do now is to make some stacks of my own to 
try and provoke problems that have a more obvious cause and rise to the 
surface more easily.

Bob

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Re: There's no place like Home


You can turn RevOnline off...In fact it's the first thing I do when I launch
a new version of Rev. If you could turn the 'Home' stack off..would it still
be a Home stack?

On 6/6/07, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Would that include RevOnline?


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Re: There's no place like Home

2007-06-06 Thread Judy Perry

Depending upon the audience, RevOnline is too disorganized and
unintuitive.  Plus, you have to hunt for it.

Judy

On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Chipp Walters wrote:
>
> > There certainly must be a better way to create a strong first time user
> > experience?
>
> Would that include RevOnline?
>

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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


Samuel M. Smith wrote:
The problem I have with runrev is not open source per se but that  
with a paid model the incentive is for the developer to release

"feature" updates that sound good to justify paying upgrade fees but
that for the most part are not nearly as valuable to a developer as  
maintaining stable quality code.


A lot of folks here used to cry out for free bug-fix upgrades, but last 
time Rev delivered one they complained it didn't address all of them and 
left out too many feature requests. ;)


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XCode 2

2007-06-06 Thread -= JB =-


If I have some code written in C that was used in HyperCard
and want to rewrite it for Revolution is the best program to
use for the job Apple XCode 2.

Where can I find the best examples of XCode 2 being used
in Revolution.

Are there versions of Codewarrior that work in OS X and will
do the job.

-=>JB<=-

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Re: There's no place like Home


Chipp Walters wrote:


Nothing. Absolutely Nothing. Any stack which launches everytime Rev does,
goes into the memory footprint and possibly adds frontscripts, backscripts
providing more opportunity to mess with the fragile IDE.

...

There certainly must be a better way to create a strong first time user
experience?


Would that include RevOnline?

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Re: Center text within a field?

On 6/6/07, J. Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> I realize it would take a lot of initial work, but you guys seem up for
> it: why not just use a lookup table with the exact values you need for
> each font "condition" listed?

Geek rule #26: It isn't cool unless you can build an algorithm to do it.
;)

Geek rule #27: And coding the algorithm should take at least as long as any
brute force mechanism would.
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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


On 6/6/07, Samuel M. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The problem I have with runrev is not open source per se but that
with a paid model the incentive
is for the developer to release "feature" updates that sound good to
justify paying upgrade fees but
that for the most part are not nearly as valuable to a developer as
maintaining stable quality code.
Mature open source on the other hand has the opposite incentive,
stable code and only add features that
people are willing to invest time in to get so you get a different
evolution of features over time.



Brilliant.
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Re: There's no place like Home


Nothing. Absolutely Nothing. Any stack which launches everytime Rev does,
goes into the memory footprint and possibly adds frontscripts, backscripts
providing more opportunity to mess with the fragile IDE. Until the IDE runs
in it's own thread, I'd rather see some good demo stacks than a Home stack.

As I recall, the Home stack did a number of things for HC users. It
introduced them to HC, provided a place for permissioning, showed some
samples along with code, provided clip art and buttons, allowed users to use
it as an Address book, etc.. To pollute the Rev IDE with all of this seems a
bit overwhelming to me.

There certainly must be a better way to create a strong first time user
experience?

-Chipp

On 6/6/07, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


IWhat would you expect to see in a Rev Home stack?


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Re: There's no place like Home

2007-06-06 Thread Judy Perry

Funny you should ask, Richard ;-)

I've been pondering this very thing for the ED-MEDIA attendees.

I'd personally like to see an "intro" to the product, that used commented
scripts that the user could 'take apart' too see how
strategically-employed basics worked.  I'd like to see an updated version
of the 'button' and 'field' stacks.  I'd like to see a basic little
complete app.  I'd like to see jumping-off points to the language model
and the docs.  I'd probably like to see little proof-of-concept stacks
illustrating various interesting topics:

*handling graphics
*handling video
*handling audio
*file I/O
*Hyperlinks
*UI elements (including the Tabs issue that comes up repeatedly)
*simple interactivity (ask and answer; global & local variables;
branching constructs)
*internet/communications
*text/chunk handling
*links to RevCentral newsletters, new features, etc.
*links to Rev-approved tutorial sites/developers
*links to join the use- and other lists
*links to video tutorials

... Just for you, Richard.  Because you cared enough to ask  :-)

Judy

On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> If you had a Home stack in Rev like there was in HyperCard, what would
> you use it for?

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Re: OT: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


On 6/6/07, Luis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It does
not mean that whatever changes are made are forced upon you, as for
that same reason, you can change it.

GPL has given
us Linux, Firefox, etc.



OOPS, not so fast...have  you seen the stir GPL 3 is causing? Turns out if
you plan on using GPL 3 code in a commercial product, there will be several
pending restrictions-- which your customer/client may find not only
objectable, but in TiVo's case, completely destructive.

And I quote:
*(The GPL 3) no longer works in the "fairness" sense. It's purely a
firebrand, and only good for the extremist policies of the FSF. It's no
longer a nice balance that a lot of people can accept, and that a lot of
companies can stand behind once you explain it to them.*
--Linus Torvalds, Linux founder

See "Torvalds critical of new GPL draft"
<
http://news.com.com/Torvalds+critical+of+new+GPL+draft/2100-7344_3-6099475.html?tag=item



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Re: Curious QT playback problem

2007-06-06 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins


Jacque,

Sounds as if the same sort of thing is occuring as when we call  
multiple beeps and only hear one unless we build in a delay. Why not  
try playing several from the message box with a built in delay when  
one ends? I'm probably being a bit naive, but sometimes the simplest  
things are true. It seems obvious that speed enters the equation  
someway.


Joe Wilkins

On Jun 6, 2007, at 7:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


I'm hoping someone has a clue to this:

I wrote an app for a client 3 years ago which has the ability to  
loop through a list of .mov files, playing one after another in  
sequence. The .mov files are audio-only, played via a player  
object, and require QuickTime. In the Rev version I compiled it  
with, there was a bug where a playStopped message was not sent at  
the end of playback, so to work around that the script gets the  
currentTime, checks every 250 milliseconds, and when the  
currentTime remains unchanged, assumes the playback is done. Then  
it moves on to the next file.


This has been working fine on both Mac and Windows machines for  
several hundred customers over the last 3 years until today, when  
one customer says there is a playback problem. She's running XP Pro  
on a fast machine with lots of RAM. When she chooses to play a  
sequence, it loops through them all very fast, with no playback of  
any kind, until it hits the last one in the list which it then  
plays. It almost sounds like it isn't loading the .mov files.


The thing is, she can play each file fine by manually choosing it  
from a list, so the problem isn't with missing or bad files. They  
only fail when played in a sequence. And it only fails for her.


She installed the program on her husband's XP machine and it works  
fine there. The only difference she can think of between the two is  
that he has the free version of QuickTime and she has QuickTime  
Pro. I'm not sure this matters, since the files all play okay  
individually and, as I understand it, the QT framework is identical.


Any ideas what would stop playback on that one, single machine?

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Re: Would someone be so kind?

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Bump

I did, but that archive contains the Classic version of Revolution, not
the OS X version.

All in all it doesn't matter.  It turns out that Revolution 2.6.1 is NOT
compatible with Mac OS X 10.0.  My information that it was came from the
listing on VersionTracker.com, but it must have been an error.

Thank you to everyone who did help me out.  I'll just wait a few more
months and see if I can continue the upgrade then.

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software

Compress photos easily with JPEGCompress
www.dreamscapesoftware.com

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Derek Bump wrote:
>> I did a little research and Revolution 2.6.1 will run on Mac OS X
>> 10.0.4, but the download from RunRev is in the new form of DMG that is
>> not openable on Mac OS X 10.0.
>>
>> I just tried converting the DMG and even opening it with MacDrive (on
>> Windows) and burning it to a CD and nothing is working.
> 
> Did you try this?:
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Curious QT playback problem


I'm hoping someone has a clue to this:

I wrote an app for a client 3 years ago which has the ability to loop 
through a list of .mov files, playing one after another in sequence. The 
.mov files are audio-only, played via a player object, and require 
QuickTime. In the Rev version I compiled it with, there was a bug where 
a playStopped message was not sent at the end of playback, so to work 
around that the script gets the currentTime, checks every 250 
milliseconds, and when the currentTime remains unchanged, assumes the 
playback is done. Then it moves on to the next file.


This has been working fine on both Mac and Windows machines for several 
hundred customers over the last 3 years until today, when one customer 
says there is a playback problem. She's running XP Pro on a fast machine 
with lots of RAM. When she chooses to play a sequence, it loops through 
them all very fast, with no playback of any kind, until it hits the last 
one in the list which it then plays. It almost sounds like it isn't 
loading the .mov files.


The thing is, she can play each file fine by manually choosing it from a 
list, so the problem isn't with missing or bad files. They only fail 
when played in a sequence. And it only fails for her.


She installed the program on her husband's XP machine and it works fine 
there. The only difference she can think of between the two is that he 
has the free version of QuickTime and she has QuickTime Pro. I'm not 
sure this matters, since the files all play okay individually and, as I 
understand it, the QT framework is identical.


Any ideas what would stop playback on that one, single machine?

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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

2007-06-06 Thread Samuel M. Smith

The problem I have with runrev is not open source per se but that  
with a paid model the incentive
is for the developer to release "feature" updates that sound good to  
justify paying upgrade fees but
that for the most part are not nearly as valuable to a developer as  
maintaining stable quality code.
Mature open source on the other hand has the opposite incentive,  
stable code and only add features that
people are willing to invest time in to get so you get a different  
evolution of features over time.


Like when was the last time RunRev updated the cgi engine for RunRev?  
How long do bugs go without getting
fixed? The first day I tried serious development with runrev I found  
3 bugs with no reasonable work arounds.
End of project day one. I posted them and it took over a year before  
the first one got fixed.


I don't mind paying for software, but unless somebody besides the  
marketing director is deciding where
to expend programmer resources you get a different product. So it is  
possible to get a powerful feature set
but it takes visionary leadership and some courage to forgo the easy  
profits from rapid paid update cycles
fir the long term profitibility of bullet proof code and well  
designed functionality. many times software
starts out that way. Visionary technologists with the skill and  
determination to make good software but
once the VC's and others get involved the vision gets lost and it  
becomes software by buzz factor.
As an example of good paid software I suggest Google's sketchup. I  
have been a user for years and those guys
agonize over every feature. At first I thought they over did it by  
not having enough features but with time

I find the simplicity makes the program all that much more powerful.

In my opinion when the number of new bugs exceeds a small fraction of  
the number of new features then the bias is way too much on the make  
new features side so we can justify
a paid upgrade (which of course comes along with we don't support the  
old version anymore so if you want any
bug fixes you have to get the new version with the new new bugs).
The unpaid model of open source forces an economy of development  
resources that usually means power over hype. Whereas in the paid  
sphere the only thing motivating economy of development is  
discipline, a much weaker motivation.



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Re: Launching Visual C++ 2005 Applications

2007-06-06 Thread Mark Wieder

Doug-

Wednesday, June 6, 2007, 8:44:10 AM, you wrote:


> I agree that the program is launching but I don't know why it's
> not running. It runs fine when I double click it in windows and even
> when I launch it from the command prompt manually
> (Start>Run>"cmd">exe path).

Well, it's a little hard to guess at what you want. You say the
program is "launching" but not "running". What's it not doing that you
expect it to do?

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Re: Would someone be so kind?


Derek Bump wrote:

I did a little research and Revolution 2.6.1 will run on Mac OS X
10.0.4, but the download from RunRev is in the new form of DMG that is
not openable on Mac OS X 10.0.

I just tried converting the DMG and even opening it with MacDrive (on
Windows) and burning it to a CD and nothing is working.


Did you try this?:



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Re: Center text within a field?


Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
I realize it would take a lot of initial work, but you guys seem up for 
it: why not just use a lookup table with the exact values you need for 
each font "condition" listed?


Geek rule #26: It isn't cool unless you can build an algorithm to do it. ;)

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Re: There's no place like Home

Would be nice to have a list of Rev installed components, where, and what
they are used for.  Rev is so different, why not give new users a picture
(and a tour) of the Rev neighborhood.

Little descriptions about the included plugins, how do you get them to work,
put them away, make your own, add someone else's,
What makes a plugin not-a-plugin, or a stack a plugin?
How would this interfere with the message heirarchy (front, back, and stacks
in use)?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 6/6/07 5:23 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you had a Home stack in Rev like there was in HyperCard, what would
> you use it for?
> 
> Keep in mind that Rev is a different beast than HC, so let your
> imagination run wild:  What would you expect to see in a Rev Home stack?

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Re: There's no place like Home


some quick demo of the features:

1) couple casual games such as the ones Malte builds :D
2) couple network related desktop apps, that are better than web
browsers based apps.
3) quick PIM just so that people know it's easy.
4) some video testimonial by us! :D where the user could browse
categories or something like that and see some little video clips
on-demand of the community talking about itself. (that alone demos
rich apps, network and multimedia features)



On 6/6/07, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If you had a Home stack in Rev like there was in HyperCard, what would
you use it for?

Keep in mind that Rev is a different beast than HC, so let your
imagination run wild:  What would you expect to see in a Rev Home stack?

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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


David Bovill wrote:

On 06/06/07, Randy Will  wrote:


What I see as an optimal model for RR isn't far at all from what we have
now.  I believe that the engine should stay closed as the core team seems
pretty well able to handle that.  I think the plugin structure and SDK needs
to be developed into more of a FOSS community (by this, I mean that Rev
should put some resources behind source hosting and versioning, something
like freshmeat or wxcode, forums with effective moderation, etc..).



I'd go for that. Its a good solid option. They should open up the
documentation as well.


There's nothing stopping you from doing that now.  Some already have.

Most recently, Bjoernke von Gierke wrote BvG Docu, described in this 
week's newsletter:



I'd love to use it, but alas it only runs in the Rev IDE, and I use 
MetaCard.



Some years ago I wrote my own shell which imports Rev's dictionary 
entries into a single convenient stack, and with some help from Ray 
Miller, Jacque Gay, and Ken Ray it's been keeping us conveniently happy 
for years - it's named "mcTranscriptDict.mc" in the File/Extras/ section 
of the MetaCard IDE working group site:



mcTranscriptDict.mc is fully self-contained and designed to run in any 
IDE, so you can use it in Rev, MC, Galaxy, or wherever you like.


It has yet to be updated to work with the changes Rev made to their XML 
format (it's just XML, why does it need to keep changing?), and if you 
or anyone else here has time to do that it would be very helpful.


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There's no place like Home


If you had a Home stack in Rev like there was in HyperCard, what would
you use it for?

Keep in mind that Rev is a different beast than HC, so let your 
imagination run wild:  What would you expect to see in a Rev Home stack?


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Re: Center text within a field?

2007-06-06 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

I realize it would take a lot of initial work, but you guys seem up  
for it: why not just use a lookup table with the exact values you  
need for each font "condition" listed? Of course, you can limit the  
amount of preparation by just limiting the acceptable fonts and  
perhaps some of the other ranges as well. This way the table of  
values could be expanded over time and by others if need be without  
coming up with any "exact" formulation at the outset. Just a thought!


Joe Wilkins

On Jun 6, 2007, at 4:47 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Trevor DeVore wrote:

On Jun 6, 2007, at 4:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

Version 2:

on mouseUp
  set the width of fld 1 to the width of grc 1
  get the textsize of fld 1
  if it < 20 then add 5 to it
  set the textheight of fld 1 to it
  set the height of fld 1 to it
  set the loc of fld 1 to the loc of grc 1
end mouseUp

For this one, set the fixedLineHeight of the field to true, and  
the margins to 0. (It also depends on the font and size of the  
field rather than individual textchunks.)


It seems to work with the webdings example and a few others I  
tried up to a textsize around 100. More than that and it starts  
to drift downward, depending on the font. If the above isn't  
suitable I guess your image solution is the way to go.
This one works for webdings for me as well. I tried it with Arial  
(on Mac), textsize set to 48 and the "1" drifted towards the top  
of the circle. Does Arial work on your machine?


Pretty close to center, but yeah, it drifts up a bit. What the  
handler needs is a math calculation. I stuck in the "if" clause  
because very small fonts got clipped at the top without adding some  
overhead, whereas larger sizes shouldn't have any additional  
textheight at all. So the math would ideally calculate a variable  
textheight based on the text size. Small sizes would get extra  
textheight and large sizes would get less.


For example, the Ariel 48 text works if the textheight is 55, so  
the textheight needs to be calculated by multiplying the text size  
times about 1.15. For 12-point, a textheight of about 20 seems  
right. For 100 point, textheight (using Ariel) requires about 135.  
But for Webdings, 100 point text needs 100 textheight.


So it's font dependent and we're back where we started. :( You may  
be stuck with your images after all, since there is no good way to  
read the actual positioning of the glyph inside its text box.


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Re: Center text within a field?


Trevor DeVore wrote:

On Jun 6, 2007, at 4:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Version 2:

on mouseUp
  set the width of fld 1 to the width of grc 1
  get the textsize of fld 1
  if it < 20 then add 5 to it
  set the textheight of fld 1 to it
  set the height of fld 1 to it
  set the loc of fld 1 to the loc of grc 1
end mouseUp

For this one, set the fixedLineHeight of the field to true, and the 
margins to 0. (It also depends on the font and size of the field 
rather than individual textchunks.)


It seems to work with the webdings example and a few others I tried up 
to a textsize around 100. More than that and it starts to drift 
downward, depending on the font. If the above isn't suitable I guess 
your image solution is the way to go.


This one works for webdings for me as well. I tried it with Arial (on 
Mac), textsize set to 48 and the "1" drifted towards the top of the 
circle. Does Arial work on your machine?




Pretty close to center, but yeah, it drifts up a bit. What the handler 
needs is a math calculation. I stuck in the "if" clause because very 
small fonts got clipped at the top without adding some overhead, whereas 
larger sizes shouldn't have any additional textheight at all. So the 
math would ideally calculate a variable textheight based on the text 
size. Small sizes would get extra textheight and large sizes would get less.


For example, the Ariel 48 text works if the textheight is 55, so the 
textheight needs to be calculated by multiplying the text size times 
about 1.15. For 12-point, a textheight of about 20 seems right. For 100 
point, textheight (using Ariel) requires about 135. But for Webdings, 
100 point text needs 100 textheight.


So it's font dependent and we're back where we started. :( You may be 
stuck with your images after all, since there is no good way to read the 
actual positioning of the glyph inside its text box.


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Re: Center text within a field?


On Jun 6, 2007, at 4:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Version 2:

on mouseUp
  set the width of fld 1 to the width of grc 1
  get the textsize of fld 1
  if it < 20 then add 5 to it
  set the textheight of fld 1 to it
  set the height of fld 1 to it
  set the loc of fld 1 to the loc of grc 1
end mouseUp

For this one, set the fixedLineHeight of the field to true, and the  
margins to 0. (It also depends on the font and size of the field  
rather than individual textchunks.)


It seems to work with the webdings example and a few others I tried  
up to a textsize around 100. More than that and it starts to drift  
downward, depending on the font. If the above isn't suitable I  
guess your image solution is the way to go.


This one works for webdings for me as well. I tried it with Arial (on  
Mac), textsize set to 48 and the "1" drifted towards the top of the  
circle. Does Arial work on your machine?


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Re: OT: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


Jim Carwardine wrote:

Wasn't HyperCard "semi-open-source" way back because of XCMDs and XFCN?... A
tool like CompilIt made it easier for non-C coders to develop an extension
for HC for their own purpose.  I don't think Rev has that facility that same
way, but couldn't Rev become "semi-open-source" by providing a tool like
CompilIt, fully documented and supported with an easy path designed to bring
cool and widely used X-things into the IDE  ... Jim


HC was closed and proprietary, and Apple still guards the code even 
though they aren't using it any more. They provided info about the hooks 
required to use externals, just as Rev does, but no one outside of Apple 
knows how the engine works.


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Re: Center text within a field?


Trevor DeVore wrote:

Unfortunately it won't work in all cases. Using a field with the text 
set to "1" and the textfont set to "webdings" is a good test case. The 
problem is that even though you may have the textsize set to 100, the 
vertical space taken up by the character is only 70 pixels (on my Mac). 
Other characters in the font might take up more or less vertical space.


Version 2:

on mouseUp
  set the width of fld 1 to the width of grc 1
  get the textsize of fld 1
  if it < 20 then add 5 to it
  set the textheight of fld 1 to it
  set the height of fld 1 to it
  set the loc of fld 1 to the loc of grc 1
end mouseUp

For this one, set the fixedLineHeight of the field to true, and the 
margins to 0. (It also depends on the font and size of the field rather 
than individual textchunks.)


It seems to work with the webdings example and a few others I tried up 
to a textsize around 100. More than that and it starts to drift 
downward, depending on the font. If the above isn't suitable I guess 
your image solution is the way to go.


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Re: Resize Script Editor Panes?



On 6/6/07 12:21 PM, "Scott Rossi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi List:
> 
> Stupid Question...
> Is it possible to resize the handler list pane in the script editor?
> 

Of course, one workaround is to use the handler menu instead of the handler
list.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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Re: embedding a large number of copyrighted images

2007-06-06 Thread Terry Judd

 
>> An application I've made works with 1000's of images (and sounds). Up
>> to now, I've used:
>> 
>>set the filename of [image object] to [file path]
>> 
>> However, the copyright holder of the images advises me that, should I
>> wish to share/sell my application, all the images need to be embedded
>> into it.
>> 
>> are there other ways of working with referenced images?
> 
> You can embed images in external stacks, so the format is protected from
> folks exploring directories, but you can reference the images from within
> Rev/your standalone.
> 
> You can also embed images into custom properties of external stacks.  You
> reference this by scripting something like:
> 
>   put the uCoolImage57 of this stack into image 1
> 
> In both cases you can create arbitrary collections of images, of say 50 to
> 100 images, so that you don't wind up loading 1000's images all at once into
> memory.

I'm probably a bit late on this but a solution I've used in the past is to
'wrap' each image in a Rev file. The rev file contains the image, its height
and width in custom properties and has the same name as the image file
(except for the extension of course). If you set the destroystack of each
'image' stack to true then you don't get the sort of memory hit that can
occur when loading image libraries. The rev wrapper also adds little in the
way of size to the original image.

Regards,

Terry...

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Re: OT: Dreamhost FTP passwords compromissed.

2007-06-06 Thread Stephen Barncard

I read a copy of the entire letter (that was posted online, I didn't 
get one). They informed those on the servers affected, but didn't 
create a panic. I think they handled it professionally.




If you weren't notified by Dreamhost themselves, you may not have 
cause for alarm.  According to posts in their discussion forum, 
affected users were notified by Dreamhost already via email.


Just the same, it is a good reminder that it's smart to change 
passwords periodically.


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Re: Center text within a field?


On Jun 6, 2007, at 1:07 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Does this work? :

on mouseUp
  set the width of fld 1 to the width of grc 1 -- the circle
  get the textsize of fld 1
  set the textheight of fld 1 to it + (it div 3)
  set the height of fld 1 to the formattedheight of fld 1
  set the margins of fld 1 to the textheight of fld 1 div 3
  set the loc of fld 1 to the loc of grc 1
end mouseUp

The field must have fixedLineHeight set to false. You might have to  
jiggle the margins and textheight calcs a little bit.


Unfortunately it won't work in all cases. Using a field with the text  
set to "1" and the textfont set to "webdings" is a good test case.  
The problem is that even though you may have the textsize set to 100,  
the vertical space taken up by the character is only 70 pixels (on my  
Mac). Other characters in the font might take up more or less  
vertical space.


While webdings isn't a font that will be used in what I'm doing it  
does illustrate the problem nicely. The textsize of a char does not  
return the actual vertical space taken up by the char so it makes it  
difficult to find the exact center of text that is being displayed.


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Re: OT: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

2007-06-06 Thread Jim Carwardine

Wasn't HyperCard "semi-open-source" way back because of XCMDs and XFCN?... A
tool like CompilIt made it easier for non-C coders to develop an extension
for HC for their own purpose.  I don't think Rev has that facility that same
way, but couldn't Rev become "semi-open-source" by providing a tool like
CompilIt, fully documented and supported with an easy path designed to bring
cool and widely used X-things into the IDE  ... Jim


on 6/6/07 12:32 PM, Shari wrote:

> 
> 
>> A lot of coders I know are moving to the Open Source world for the
>> simple fact that they can fix it. One case: Seeing RunRev lacking
>> certain 'facilities' (3D was high on his list, and yes, I am aware
>> of the plugin from igame3D) he couldn't believe that a modern
>> 'language' didn't have it built in and wasn't about to 'write an
>> external' for something that should have been 'internal'.
> 
> I don't mind having plugins available to enhance something.  And I
> know that many of the plugins available for Rev were created by folks
> on this list, often to make their own lives easier and later, shared
> with us as a community, or available for sale from independent
> developers. I've finally just installed my first one :-)
> 
> This makes more sense to me than Open Source.  There is a definitive
> command structure, and responsibility structure, and while things
> don't always flow exactly as one person might wish, they do flow and
> it does work.
> 
> The whole issue of GUI's comes to mind, as well.  Folks created
> various user interfaces for how we use Revolution (I use the Metacard
> interface personally).  This doesn't mean they are Open Source.  Nor
> does it mean that Revolution itself should be.  They simply add
> functionality to Rev, and a person could easily just use Rev without
> ever knowing that plugins or other GUI's even exist.
> 
> The primary product remains solid as a commercial software product,
> as it should be.
> 
> Shari

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Re: Resize Script Editor Panes?

On 6/6/07 12:21 PM, "Scott Rossi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stupid Question...
> Is it possible to resize the handler list pane in the script editor?

Short answer is 'yes'.  Long answer is what manner to get the solution.
One way is to do the following

This will affect all currently open editor windows only.  Closing and
reopening will require re-running the script to affect any new script editor
windows that have been opened.

---watch for word wrapping in your email client ---
on setHandlerWidth newWidth
  if newWidth is not a number then exit to top
  if newWidth < 140 then exit to top
  repeat with wh = 1 to 99 --all 99 open editor windows
try
  set the width of fld "handler list" of stack ("revScriptEditor "& wh)
to newWidth
  set the left of fld "handler list"of  stack ("revScriptEditor "& wh)
to 0
  set the left of fld "breakpoints list" of stack ("revScriptEditor "&
wh) to (newWidth)
  set the left of fld "script" of stack ("revScriptEditor "& wh)  to
(newWidth)
catch errr
  exit to top --no more editor windows left
end try
  end repeat
end setHandlerWidth

you could make this a back/front script and then invoke it from the message
box when you wanted.

Another option is to set the textAlign to right so you can see the last
part.

 If you want a more permanent fix, you will need to go into Application
Browser, turn on 'view Rev list items' in Rev prefersnces, find the stack
"revTemplateScriptEditor", right click to inspect the card script, then dig
around until you see the right spot to make the width adjustments at the
time the script-editor-window stack is created.

Of course, you should do this on a copy of Rev in case you want to go back
to 'out of the box' behavior

((Note:  If you want to see Rev in action, open the Application Browser,
open a stack, then open a script or two or three.  Scroll to the bottom of
the App Broswer list on the left side and you will see the " revScriptEditor
1" stack showing.  You can use the Inspector to tweak this temp stack. ))

I am sure someone on the list will propose a more elegant and perhaps
automatic width adjuster front script, or such

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


On 06/06/07, Randy Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


What I see as an optimal model for RR isn't far at all from what we have
now.  I believe that the engine should stay closed as the core team seems
pretty well able to handle that.  I think the plugin structure and SDK needs
to be developed into more of a FOSS community (by this, I mean that Rev
should put some resources behind source hosting and versioning, something
like freshmeat or wxcode, forums with effective moderation, etc..).



I'd go for that. Its a good solid option. They should open up the
documentation as well.

I remain interested in where Adobe will go with Flex and Apollo. They say
they will continue to sell Flex as a commercial package. It currently sells
at between $499 and $749, and i would not be surprised if the price drops
hardly at all after they open source the IDE.

If I was RunRev I'd go for well designed products that use the engine for
the end consumer - along the lines of the current Rev Media, and support,
services, closed licenses and custom add-ons for the resellers and larger
customers. I believe that Richard was right about the dangers of the middle
ground in trying to please developers and hobbyists alike - the middle
ground is not a fun place for tool developers.
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Re: Problem with Browser Sampler Stack in Rev/Mac 2.8.1


Bob Warren wrote:


Report #5121 
Attachment #794 



I've included the whole log (not very long since it's a new computer).


Thanks for doing that, Bob. An update on the guy in the support queue 
who had the same problem: he had a demo version of Rev installed prior 
to installing the licensed version. He says when he uninstalled the demo 
and reinstalled the licensed version, he no longer had any problems and 
it all worked fine. Again, he's on Windows so it might be different. But 
we've heard of other folks having some issues if they've left an older 
demo in place. Do you have any demo versions installed?


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Re: Resize Script Editor Panes?

2007-06-06 Thread Devin Asay



On Jun 6, 2007, at 1:21 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:


Hi List:

Stupid Question...
Is it possible to resize the handler list pane in the script editor?


Doesn't work here. But it's needed Sounds like an enhancement  
request.


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Center text within a field?


Trevor DeVore wrote:

On Jun 6, 2007, at 3:43 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

I'm trying to center text in a field within a graphic (circle). The 
text can be any font and any size.


Update - I haven't been able to find a reliable means of calculating the 
center of text using any field properties so I resorted to exporting a 
snapshot of the field (opaque = false) to an image, grabbing the 
alphadata of the image and determining extreme left, top, right, bottom 
of the text by looping through it.


Does this work? :

on mouseUp
  set the width of fld 1 to the width of grc 1 -- the circle
  get the textsize of fld 1
  set the textheight of fld 1 to it + (it div 3)
  set the height of fld 1 to the formattedheight of fld 1
  set the margins of fld 1 to the textheight of fld 1 div 3
  set the loc of fld 1 to the loc of grc 1
end mouseUp

The field must have fixedLineHeight set to false. You might have to 
jiggle the margins and textheight calcs a little bit.


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Re: Center text within a field?


On Jun 6, 2007, at 3:43 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

I'm trying to center text in a field within a graphic (circle). The  
text can be any font and any size.


Update - I haven't been able to find a reliable means of calculating  
the center of text using any field properties so I resorted to  
exporting a snapshot of the field (opaque = false) to an image,  
grabbing the alphadata of the image and determining extreme left,  
top, right, bottom of the text by looping through it.


I've included the function for anyone who is interested in taking a  
look. It seems to be working but I'm severely sleep deprived right  
now so who knows :-) This function is part of a group script that has  
one field and one invisible image.


function FindCenterOfText
local theAlphaData,theByte,theColumnCount,theColumnNo
local theOpaque,theRect,theRowNo
local theValue

lock screen
put the opaque of field 1 of me into theOpaque
set the opaque of field 1 of me to false

## CREATE IMAGE WITH ALPHADATA
export snapshot from field 1 of me to image 1 of me as PNG
put the alphadata of image 1 of me into theAlphaData
set the text of image 1 of me to empty

## DEFINE OUR GRID
put the width of image 1 of me into theColumnCount

## LOOP THROUGH ALPHA DATA LOOKING FOR PIXELS THAT MEET THE  
VISIBILITY THRESHOLD

put 1 into theRowNo
put 0 into theColumnNo
put 0,0,0,0 into theRect

repeat for each char theByte in theAlphaData
add 1 to theColumnNo

put chartonum(theByte) into theValue
if theValue > 100 then
if item 1 of theRect is 0 then
put theColumnNo into item 1 of theRect
put theRowNo into item 2 of theRect
put theColumnNo into item 3 of theRect
put theRowNo into item 4 of theRect
end IF

put min(theColumnNo, item 1 of theRect) into item 1 of  
theRect

put min(theRowNo, item 2 of theRect) into item 2 of theRect
put max(theColumnNo, item 3 of theRect) into item 3 of  
theRect

put max(theRowNo, item 4 of theRect) into item 4 of theRect
end if

if theColumnNo is theColumnCount then
add 1 to theRowNo
put 0 into theColumnNo
end if
end repeat

set the opaque of field 1 of me to theOpaque
unlock screen

put item 1 of theRect + (item 3 of theRect - item 1 of  
theRect) / 2 into item 1 of theLoc
put item 2 of theRect + (item 4 of theRect - item 2 of  
theRect) / 2 into item 2 of theLoc


## YEAH, THIS IS FOR GETTING THE FLOOR
replace comma with cr in theLoc
set the itemdelimiter to "."
delete item 2 of line 1 of theLoc
delete item 2 of line 2 of theLoc
replace cr with comma in theLoc
set the itemdelimiter to comma

add the left of field 1 of me to item 1 of theLoc
add the top of field 1 of me to item 2 of theLoc
return theLoc
end FindCenterOfText


--
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com-www.screensteps.com
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Resize Script Editor Panes?

2007-06-06 Thread Scott Rossi

Hi List:

Stupid Question...
Is it possible to resize the handler list pane in the script editor?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: A glimpse of the future

2007-06-06 Thread Bob Warren

Andre Garzia wrote:

Hello Bob,

RevBrowser works with WebKit on the mac and IE engine on windows. It

needs an embedable engine to work, on linux it could use Gecko.

Right now Opera doesn't ship an embedable engine that I know of. You
have opera running on all kinds of machines such as Game Boy Advance
and PCs but you don't have an SDK where you can embed opera anywhere
so, you can't count on that for your MHTs.

Hi Andre!

Of course, all this stuff (like most other things) is way over my head.
But take a look at the page below and tell me what you think in
comparison to what you said above. However, I am so ignorant that it is
possible that what I am pointing out has absolutely nothing to do with
the issue really!

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4293703474.html

Andre wrote:

>What you can do however is to make Rev convert your MHTs on HTML + CSS

+ Image files, this would be a simple single loop conversion and then
you could use it by shell to firefox on linux. Or if you're planning
to ship a software where you control both ends (generation of content
and display of content) you can make zip files with the HTML + Friends
and use the new external to decompress to temporary location for
display. This would be true cross platform and allow you to bundle
even more resources such as audio, video and INTERACTIVE STACKS! ;-)

In fact, my aim was not to be able to display a lot of MHTs I have, but to create
software for the purpose of producing MHTs. I've done this in Windows already with a
program called "Webpage Editor" (see http://www.howsoft.com/windows.htm and
http://www.howsoft.com/webed/). I hoped to vastly improve it in Ubuntu/Revolution. In
fact, I have never been able to understand why MHTs weren't more popular, even amongst
Windows users. They have their limitations, for example they cannot be used on the web,
only off-line. And although they are nothing more than glorified e-mails, most e-mail
progs refuse to send them, probably because of security considerations. But the very fact
that they consolidate text + images (base 64) into a single ascii file makes them ideal
for Help applications and so on, without having to keep track of all the bits and pieces.

However, in light of what you say, I probably need to re-consider. Perhaps as you say, I need to widen my horizons and find a "zippy" solution! :-)

Thanks for that Andre!

Bob

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Re: Don't you just wish Rev would do this?

2007-06-06 Thread Randy Will

The really terrible part of this is that the common interfaces that we know and 
love aren't all that usable.  There are substantially better (or should I say 
"well founded and researched") methods of interfacing, but they require a 
learning curve due to insimilarity with what we know already know.  Said 
learning curve removes any benefit, leaving us back with "what I already use is 
the best solution for me".

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/6/2007 9:36 AM >>>
>Randy Will wrote:
> > What all this comes down to is that "ease of use" is in the eye
> > of the beholder.

>In many areas I would have to agree, but this need not be the case. 
>There was a time when usability was more the result of research findings 
>than marketing slogans.

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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

2007-06-06 Thread Randy Will

What I see as an optimal model for RR isn't far at all from what we have now.  
I believe that the engine should stay closed as the core team seems pretty well 
able to handle that.  I think the plugin structure and SDK needs to be 
developed into more of a FOSS community (by this, I mean that Rev should put 
some resources behind source hosting and versioning, something like freshmeat 
or wxcode, forums with effective moderation, etc..).  I've seen many projects 
go both ways (buy 3rd party plugins, FOSS 3rd party plugins) and I can't really 
say that one approach is better than the other, but my personal druther is FOSS 
plugins.  It leads to the FOSS model of release-early-release-often giving nice 
feature enhancements quickly as technology and market forces make them 
reasonable; but on the other hand, it keeps the core engine solid and free from 
Open Source Politics:  you will always have a default setup that you know Just 
Works.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/6/2007 10:44 AM >>>
I see many threads on the list about open source but no one is talking
what this move would bring to RunRev...

I don't want to talk about the philosophy of the thing, I like sharing
stuff, everyone here knows that, I just want to make this thread
productive and not some eternal thread about opinions, the blogosphere
is there just for that.

We know there will be no OSS rev now, and even if the guys at Scotland
decide to open it now, it would take months if not years till a
workflow and community start working like they do there. It is not as
if everyone would to a SVN checkout and start patching the engine.

So now that we know that this will not happen and that if it did it
would take a lot of time and organization to make it work on the same
level as we have it working now, can someone please tell me what would
we gain? I am not talking about OpenGL and adding features to the
language, this can be done with a new external SDK and I know no
language that has things as 3D implemented on their core level, they
are always libraries, they might be bundled with the standard
distributions.

So let us talk about benefits, what benefits can we gain from an OSS
approach, and then think do we really need OSS approach to get those
benefits? Can't we create new hybrid or brand new original approaches
that would grant us the same benefits?

For example:

Adding features - We don't need OSS for that, we need a better FFI.
Porting to new platforms - We don't need full OSS for that, we need an
abstraction layer, like a simple engine that would bootstrap the rest,
this simple engine could be OSS while the rest is closed, like Darwin
and MacOS X.
Attract users - We don't need OSS to attract users, we need a better
Starter Kit, demos and marketing, specially with new marketing toys
such as blogs, podcasts, videos.

So again, except for the fact that there might be a tsunami that sinks
Scotland and RunRev with it, why do we need open source? We have
engineers and developers working full time in the product. They are
paying their bills and we're paying ours.

I just want to make a theoretical conversation about open source
become an useful conversation about goals and ways to reach such
goals.

andre
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Would someone be so kind?

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Bump

I did a little research and Revolution 2.6.1 will run on Mac OS X
10.0.4, but the download from RunRev is in the new form of DMG that is
not openable on Mac OS X 10.0.

I just tried converting the DMG and even opening it with MacDrive (on
Windows) and burning it to a CD and nothing is working.

Would someone be so kind as to download and open the DMG, compress the
Revolution files with StuffIt, and upload it somewhere so I can download it?


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software


Compress photos easily with JPEGCompress
www.dreamscapesoftware.com


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[ANN] "Thumbs and Slides"

2007-06-06 Thread Wilhelm Sanke

I have "revved up" an older "thumbs" stack since we started the 
discussion about creation and modification dates of images and have 
added a "slides page" to the stack where the images can be displayed 
full-screen either step-by-step or as a slide show.


( or from the 
"Samples" page of my website)


Although there are a number of slide stacks around in the Rev community 
and elsewhere, I offer this stack for public use and for those that 
would be interested to test yet another variant. I find it satisfactory 
and in some respects better than the image and slide tool supplied with 
WindowsXP.
The layout of the controls on the "slides page" adapts to any screensize 
and the height of the stack is chosen to enable the use of the stack 
even on most modern laptop screens with a size of 1280x800.


With most controls turned off on he slides page (using the "hide 
controls" button) the slide show offers an almost undisturbed view of 
screensize images, whose display tempo can be adjusted any time even 
during a slide show.


From the "Introduction":

Thumbs page:

The first 12 JPG images from the chosen folder are displayed as 
proportionally resized to fit into the maximal width and height of the 
240X180-pixels thumbs.

The total number of images is shown in the field above image one.
You can choose a different image to begin with using button "choose 
start image"
The date shown after the image names is the "modification date", which 
is in most cases identical with the creation date of the image.
Clicking on "next images" or "previous images" will load the next or 
previous 12 images from the folder.


Clicking on one of the thumbs will display the chosen image in 
full-screen view on the "Slides page".


Slides page:

Left-clicking on the full-screen image returns to the "Thumbs Page".

Button "controls" shows or hides the controls for setting the image 
dimensions, to expand or shrink the image, and to start and stop a slide 
show beginning with the actually displayed image.


The options to be chosen from the grouped radio buttons in the topleft 
corner are:


- "screen size": the image will be resized to the screensize 
irrespective of its own dimensions.
- "real screen size": the image will be resized proportionally to fit 
into the rect of the screen.
- "real size": the image is displayed in its proper size, meaning that 
when the image is larger than the screen rect it is displayed enlarged 
and mid-centered (which is a tolerable and nice enlargement effect 
possibly up to image sizes 284x2136, depending of course on the screen 
size and the fact that essential image information is contained in the 
middle of the image.


Button "enlarge" enlarges the image proportionally in subsequent steps.
Button "shrink" does just  the opposite.

Right-clicking with mousedown on the image and dragging moves the image 
around on the screen, which may be useful for inspecting details of an 
enlarged picture.


Buttons "next slide" and "previous slide" (or the arrow buttons when 
they are hiddden) navigate to the next or previous image. If the last or 
first image of the folder is reached, "next" or "previous" are continued 
nevertheless according to the image order in the folder.


Button "start show" starts a continuous and possibly endless slide show, 
button "stop" stops the show - as does using any of the buttons "next 
slide", "previous slide", or the arrow buttons (or returning to the 
Thumbs Page by clicking on the image).


During a slide show the dimensions of the displayed image (sreen size, 
real screen size, real size) can be changed any time - or "hide 
controls" and "show controls" can be applied - without interrupting the 
show.
It is also possible to change the "display time" of the image during a 
slide show by adjusting the slider control in the bottomright corner.


--Wilhelm Sanke





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Re: OT: QuickTime in web pages

2007-06-06 Thread Ian Wood

Not forgetting that any time an object/embed tag appears in the HTML  
you'll get activex warnings in IE, :-(


Ian


On 6 Jun 2007, at 18:04, Jim Ault wrote:


Quick tip:
For some, this might be preferable.


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Re: OT: Dreamhost FTP passwords compromissed.


Jim Sims wrote:

On Jun 6, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Brent Anderson wrote: 

Where did you see this? I have a DH account and obviously I'm
concerned about any potential compromise of my data. 


http://daringfireball.net/
http://www.extrapepperoni.com/2007/06/06/dreamhost-screwed-the-pooch/

Quote from the web site above:

"Dreamhost Hacked ?
Dreamhost, in a letter to over 3,500 shared hosting customers:

We're still working to determine how this occurred, but it appears  
that a 3rd party found a way to obtain the password information  
associated with approximately 3,500 separate FTP accounts and has  
used that information to append data to the index files of customer  
sites using automated scripts (primarily for search engine  
optimization purposes).


Sites that were hacked got a bunch of spammy links inserted into  
their index.php and index.html pages, in an HTML block that started  
with . Dave Shea got hacked, as did a bunch of  
the readers who contributed to his comments. Shea wrote to Dreamhost  
and their tech support blamed him. Crooked Timber got hacked four  
days ago."


If you weren't notified by Dreamhost themselves, you may not have cause 
for alarm.  According to posts in their discussion forum, affected users 
were notified by Dreamhost already via email.


Just the same, it is a good reminder that it's smart to change passwords 
periodically.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Media Corporation
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Re: OT: Dreamhost FTP passwords compromissed.

2007-06-06 Thread Jim Sims



On Jun 6, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Brent Anderson wrote:


Where did you see this? I have a DH account and obviously I'm
concerned about any potential compromise of my data.



http://daringfireball.net/

http://www.extrapepperoni.com/2007/06/06/dreamhost-screwed-the-pooch/


Quote from the web site above:

"Dreamhost Hacked ★
Dreamhost, in a letter to over 3,500 shared hosting customers:

WeÅfre still working to determine how this occurred, but it appears  
that a 3rd party found a way to obtain the password information  
associated with approximately 3,500 separate FTP accounts and has  
used that information to append data to the index files of customer  
sites using automated scripts (primarily for search engine  
optimization purposes).


Sites that were hacked got a bunch of spammy links inserted into  
their index.php and index.html pages, in an HTML block that started  
with . Dave Shea got hacked, as did a bunch of  
the readers who contributed to his comments. Shea wrote to Dreamhost  
and their tech support blamed him. Crooked Timber got hacked four  
days ago."






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Re: OT: Dreamhost FTP passwords compromissed.

2007-06-06 Thread Brent Anderson


Where did you see this? I have a DH account and obviously I'm
concerned about any potential compromise of my data.

On 6/6/07, Andre Garzia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Friends,

I just saw that about 3500 passwords for Dreamhost company FTP
accounts were compromissed. I know some folks here have accounts there
so this is a note to them to check and maybe switch to a new password
for there may be hackers coming upon their accounts.

andre
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Re: Legacy stack woes


Rob Cozens wrote:

Go to preferences, "Files and memory" pane, and turn off the option 
that automatically adds the ".rev" extension. Also turn on the option 
in the same pane that preserves the stack file type when saving a 
legacy stack.


Thanks.


I guess this is broken, as per a recent list post. While I do have the 
option set in my own preferences, I also run a little startup handler 
that resets the stackfileversion to 2.4 so that all my stacks are saved 
as legacy. So if the option isn't working for you, you can just set the 
stackfileversion in the message box before saving your stacks for now.



Is there ever a need to reset stackFileVersion?


I guess it depends on how you work. Some people want each stack saved in 
its original format, others want it always saved to a particular format. 
It's mostly personal preference.


--
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HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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OT: Dreamhost FTP passwords compromissed.


Hello Friends,

I just saw that about 3500 passwords for Dreamhost company FTP
accounts were compromissed. I know some folks here have accounts there
so this is a note to them to check and maybe switch to a new password
for there may be hackers coming upon their accounts.

andre
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Re: OT: QuickTime in web pages

Quick tip:
For some, this might be preferable.

put quote into q

  put "" into h1
   put "" into h2
   put ""&fsn&"" into h3
   put "" into h4
   put "" into h5
put cr & "

Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


From: "Andre Garzia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

So again, except for the fact that there might be a tsunami that sinks 
Scotland and RunRev with it, why do we need open source? We have
engineers and developers working full time in the product. They are paying 
their bills and we're paying ours.


Well... Some scientists think Lock Ness might sit on a super volcano.   
But seriously - I totally agree with you.  Each point.


Scott 


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Re: OT: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


From: "Luis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


There's a little of everyone in each of us. Human nature.


Well I can't argue with that.  :-)

Scott
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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


I see many threads on the list about open source but no one is talking
what this move would bring to RunRev...

I don't want to talk about the philosophy of the thing, I like sharing
stuff, everyone here knows that, I just want to make this thread
productive and not some eternal thread about opinions, the blogosphere
is there just for that.

We know there will be no OSS rev now, and even if the guys at Scotland
decide to open it now, it would take months if not years till a
workflow and community start working like they do there. It is not as
if everyone would to a SVN checkout and start patching the engine.

So now that we know that this will not happen and that if it did it
would take a lot of time and organization to make it work on the same
level as we have it working now, can someone please tell me what would
we gain? I am not talking about OpenGL and adding features to the
language, this can be done with a new external SDK and I know no
language that has things as 3D implemented on their core level, they
are always libraries, they might be bundled with the standard
distributions.

So let us talk about benefits, what benefits can we gain from an OSS
approach, and then think do we really need OSS approach to get those
benefits? Can't we create new hybrid or brand new original approaches
that would grant us the same benefits?

For example:

Adding features - We don't need OSS for that, we need a better FFI.
Porting to new platforms - We don't need full OSS for that, we need an
abstraction layer, like a simple engine that would bootstrap the rest,
this simple engine could be OSS while the rest is closed, like Darwin
and MacOS X.
Attract users - We don't need OSS to attract users, we need a better
Starter Kit, demos and marketing, specially with new marketing toys
such as blogs, podcasts, videos.

So again, except for the fact that there might be a tsunami that sinks
Scotland and RunRev with it, why do we need open source? We have
engineers and developers working full time in the product. They are
paying their bills and we're paying ours.

I just want to make a theoretical conversation about open source
become an useful conversation about goals and ways to reach such
goals.

andre
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Re: Launching Visual C++ 2005 Applications

2007-06-06 Thread Doug Heywood


Hi Mark,

I agree that the program is launching but I don't know why it's not running. It 
runs fine when I double click it in windows and even when I launch it from the 
command prompt manually (Start>Run>"cmd">exe path).

There must be some other hidden variable that I don't know about, like a 
command line parameter or something that windows specifies when launching the 
program - but I'm not sure.

Doug


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:44:31 -0700
> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Launching Visual C++ 2005 Applications
> 
> Doug-
> 
> There's no reason why that shouldn't work, although you might try the
> "launch" command instead of "open process". But they both work on
> everything I've tried.
> 
> If you've got a command window open, then how do you know your program
> isn't running? Is it waiting for user input perhaps? You won't get a
> command window unless you've launched something.
> 
> --
> -Mark Wieder
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Re: OT: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

2007-06-06 Thread Robert Brenstein

Isn't Open Source about the same as creating freeware?  Lots of 
people enjoy the benefits, one or few people do all the work, 
without ever getting paid for it.


Open-source products mustn't necessarily be free. And even if the 
software is available to use for free, in many instances, the people 
producing it are still making money through support contracts, custom 
versions, etc. As a matter of fact, some open-source products survive 
only because there is an organization of some sort that brings money 
to provide bread and butter to key people. Of course, there are quite 
a few true free open-source products, which are usually driven by 
something else than money.


Robert
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Re: OT: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)



On 6 Jun 2007, at 16:32, Shari wrote:




A lot of coders I know are moving to the Open Source world for the  
simple fact that they can fix it. One case: Seeing RunRev lacking  
certain 'facilities' (3D was high on his list, and yes, I am aware  
of the plugin from igame3D) he couldn't believe that a modern  
'language' didn't have it built in and wasn't about to 'write an  
external' for something that should have been 'internal'.


I don't mind having plugins available to enhance something.  And I  
know that many of the plugins available for Rev were created by  
folks on this list, often to make their own lives easier and later,  
shared with us as a community, or available for sale from  
independent developers. I've finally just installed my first one :-)


This makes more sense to me than Open Source.  There is a  
definitive command structure, and responsibility structure, and  
while things don't always flow exactly as one person might wish,  
they do flow and it does work.


The whole issue of GUI's comes to mind, as well.  Folks created  
various user interfaces for how we use Revolution (I use the  
Metacard interface personally).  This doesn't mean they are Open  
Source.  Nor does it mean that Revolution itself should be.  They  
simply add functionality to Rev, and a person could easily just use  
Rev without ever knowing that plugins or other GUI's even exist.


The primary product remains solid as a commercial software product,  
as it should be.


And that is the crux of it: Choice.

Cheers,

Luis.




Shari
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Re: OT: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


There's a little of everyone in each of us. Human nature.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 6 Jun 2007, at 16:18, Scott Kane wrote:


From: "Luis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

There is great misconception in the commercial world regarding  
Open Source, principally due to the heavy coating of FUD.


And there's absolutely, positively no FUD in the Open Souce  
community.? ;-)


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Re: OT: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

2007-06-06 Thread Shari




A lot of coders I know are moving to the Open Source world for the 
simple fact that they can fix it. One case: Seeing RunRev lacking 
certain 'facilities' (3D was high on his list, and yes, I am aware 
of the plugin from igame3D) he couldn't believe that a modern 
'language' didn't have it built in and wasn't about to 'write an 
external' for something that should have been 'internal'.


I don't mind having plugins available to enhance something.  And I 
know that many of the plugins available for Rev were created by folks 
on this list, often to make their own lives easier and later, shared 
with us as a community, or available for sale from independent 
developers. I've finally just installed my first one :-)


This makes more sense to me than Open Source.  There is a definitive 
command structure, and responsibility structure, and while things 
don't always flow exactly as one person might wish, they do flow and 
it does work.


The whole issue of GUI's comes to mind, as well.  Folks created 
various user interfaces for how we use Revolution (I use the Metacard 
interface personally).  This doesn't mean they are Open Source.  Nor 
does it mean that Revolution itself should be.  They simply add 
functionality to Rev, and a person could easily just use Rev without 
ever knowing that plugins or other GUI's even exist.


The primary product remains solid as a commercial software product, 
as it should be.


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Re: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


From: "Shari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Think of the battle that authors of shareware wage against the very 
perception of shareware being the equivalent of freeware in the minds of 
many.  How do you convince someone to buy it, when everybody is  telling 
your consumers that it's supposed to be free?


This is one battle we seem to have lost.  No matter what organizations like 
the ASP have done the public (and worse the so called "Computer Whizzes" - 
I'd like to choke those guys ) insist on this line in relation to the 
shareware marketing model.  Nothing is ever going to change that.  So - the 
only solution is to drop the term "shareware"and use the words "30 Day 
Trial" or "Commercial  Demo".  People who insist on calling (and demanding 
it to be) shareware free are not generally inclined to buy software anyway. 
A smart author knows that the trick is to sell to the people who are 
prepared to buy and thankfully there are plenty of them as Winzip, Jasc 
(Paint Shop Pro) and other big names (all shareware and ASP members BTW) 
have proven.


Cheers

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Re: OT: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


From: "Luis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

There is great misconception in the commercial world regarding Open 
Source, principally due to the heavy coating of FUD.


And there's absolutely, positively no FUD in the Open Souce community.? 
;-)


Scott 


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Re: Don't you just wish Rev would do this?


On 6 Jun 2007, at 15:53, Lynn Fredricks wrote:



NDAs are all required when you get that close to the bone of a  
company. But
you don't think its obvious that actual business size/structure and  
strength

within its market space have a direct impact on its strategy?


That's where I'd prefer RunRev to be: It's their product, their choice.

It's a big planet out there, choose the right tool for the job.

Cheers,

Luis.





Best regards,

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Worldwide Business Operations
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Re: OT: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)


Shari wrote:
I wouldn't want an Open Source Revolution.  Where nobody is 
ultimately responsible for the bugs they create.


It is hard to beat the incentive of having your daily bread provided by 
product revenue.  It keeps the food chain simple and direct, and 
provides perhaps the ultimate accountability:  you don't produce, you 
don't eat. :)


I think there are a lot of merits to the traditional proprietary model 
which are often overlooked as we explore new philosophies.  While 
revolutions often provide excitement, evolutions tend to produce more 
sustainable results in the long term.  Market dynamics have evolved the 
proprietary model in ways that may not be so bad for a great many 
products, not bad at all.


Doesn't Open Source mean that one person can randomly make that 
decision, and implement it at his will?  One person with a particular 
set of beliefs, that all people should have the newest computers out 
there with the latest and greatest OS's, goes into the source code 
and "breaks" it for anything older.


Then a week later, somebody else goes in and makes it backwards 
compatible again?


I imagine some FOSS projects are managed with the sort of anarchy, but 
the good ones have strong project managers who determine which 
contributions go in, and how.   It's been said that the art of FOSS 
project management is ultimately the art of saying "No".


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Re: OT: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

Open Source is not how software is written, it's the philosophy  
behind it: If what you're given doesn't work for you, you can change  
it (yourself, someone else, contracted, free or whatever). It does  
not mean that whatever changes are made are forced upon you, as for  
that same reason, you can change it.


Deciding to adopt the differing licensing schemes available in the  
Open Source community, gives you the choice of whether, to name two,  
you want to contribute freely (GPL) or use it for commercial purposes  
(BSD, without the 'requirement' to release the code). GPL has given  
us Linux, Firefox, etc. BSD: Microsoft had used the BSD TCP/IP stack  
in Windows 2000 (modified of course) in its commercial OS product.


A lot of coders I know are moving to the Open Source world for the  
simple fact that they can fix it. One case: Seeing RunRev lacking  
certain 'facilities' (3D was high on his list, and yes, I am aware of  
the plugin from igame3D) he couldn't believe that a modern 'language'  
didn't have it built in and wasn't about to 'write an external' for  
something that should have been 'internal'.


There is great misconception in the commercial world regarding Open  
Source, principally due to the heavy coating of FUD.


There's a newsagent (kiosk) near me that cellotapes the cover of the  
magazines shut, so you can't have a look before you buy.


Imagine they did the same at your local Library.

Personally, I appreciate the fact that I can tinker with it.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 6 Jun 2007, at 15:35, Shari wrote:

I've heard for years that open source is going to overcome closed  
source. I've listened to various people espousing it, heard  
examples of where this is said to be taking place - yet it isn't.   
Open Source is no more logical than "Open Supermarkets" where food  
is given away.  Neither work in what is a Capitalistic world - a  
world I whole heartedly support as the only model we have that  
works most of the time at least for some of the people.  It's not  
perfect but the alternatives are worse.


Scott


Bottoms up to Ayn Rand!  Hear hear!



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RE: Don't you just wish Rev would do this?

2007-06-06 Thread Lynn Fredricks

> > Adobe "owns" all of the best selling commercial tools for 
> > producing/supporting content for the Flex platform.
> 
> 
> And how did they get there - not by selling software but 
> giving away an easy to install and useful piece of software?

They got there by the acquisition of Macromedia :-)

Seriously though, there are some excellent, open SWF oriented products out
there, and they are probably getting used more and more for professional
work. But the toolset that made the entire platform a success is not open.

Sure, the Flex SDK is open. That didn't get them where they are now though.


> By open sourcing Flex, they still maintain dominance because 
> so many people
> > will use their tools to generate Flex related stuff. Yet they also 
> > appeal to open source/free software communities and can 
> leverage any 
> > work generated there as a result - that looks good to shareholders, 
> > too.
> 
> 
> Yes- you could add that they are probably seriously worried 
> by the long term implications of AJAX style open standards 
> for a pure closed source business model.

I doubt they are that worried - they have come up with their own AJAX
toolkit that is receiving some good press, and have already integrated some
good language support anyway for other languages like PHP. They may be
worried, but if I were they, I wouldn't be. Its far easier for them to let
various toolkits play in their garden rather than trying to keep them out.
They already have the tool market as it is.


> Something that works for one company (or even a group of 
> companies) doesn't
> > necessarily mean the strategy is sound for everyone else - those 
> > strategies are built with the structure of those companies 
> in mind. I 
> > have had clients and partners of clients that have emulated 
> Apple or 
> > Microsoft for example
> > -
> > and at best its helped not at all, at other times disasterous.
> 
> 
> Nice hand waiving - I guess there is an NDA lurking there 
> somewhere - but seriously it would be more interesting to 
> here some arguments :)

NDAs are all required when you get that close to the bone of a company. But
you don't think its obvious that actual business size/structure and strength
within its market space have a direct impact on its strategy?

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution Ltd
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Re: Don't you just wish Rev would do this?

Randy Will wrote:
> What all this comes down to is that "ease of use" is in the eye
> of the beholder.

In many areas I would have to agree, but this need not be the case. 
There was a time when usability was more the result of research findings 
than marketing slogans.

While it's true than even the best research will be flawed due to its 
nature (my friend refers to cognitive psychology as the act of doing 
watch repair where the only tool you have is another watch ), we have 
sufficient evidence to suggest that earnest research in which dogma is 
kept out of the methodology as much as possible does result in 
objectively measurable productivity enhancement.

FWIW, I've been subscribed to the Gnome Usability discussion list for 
some months now, and I've been impressed with the thoughtfulness and 
thoroughness of the discussion there. While research is expensive, there 
does seem to be a strong effort to apply heuristics to solving problems 
cost-effectively.

I have no doubt that as Linux grows it'll attract more usability 
specialists, and perhaps some of the development funding will be used 
for usability research, providing within perhaps as little as ten years 
or less an OS which is the unquestioned world leader.

> Since you brought up the Mozilla foundation and "paid open source
> development";  Personally, I like this model.  Of course it leads
> to licensing issues leading to stupid forks like Iceweasel and
> Icedove, but to me, it's a nice muddying of the waters between
> commercial development and FOSS.

Agreed.  Dual licensing has the ring of fairness to it:  free for free 
software, paid for paid software.

But paying developers does raise the question of who pays the piper?

In most FOSS models, more than 80% of users are simply enjoying a free 
ride, only a relative handful actually contribute to the code base, and 
very small number of players are putting in the big bucks to drive it 
all.  With RunRev's more traditional model, the piper is paid in the 
most egalitarian way possible:  each person pays an equal amount to 
support the ongoing development effort.

It's important to note that FOSS investment is coming from companies who 
also sell proprietary works, or in the case of universities the money 
comes from public funds which in turn come from taxes derived from 
proprietary works.  So in the big picture it is largely proprietary work 
which makes FOSS work possible.  Even with smaller all-volunteer 
efforts, without open source housing and open source food the money 
needed to sustain the developer is coming from somewhere, and it's 
extremely rare when donations alone cover all expenses.

So as long as the owner of the engine relies on revenues from the engine 
as its primary source of income, I think it's safe to say the engine 
won't go open source.  If someone here wants to pony up the cash to buy 
it from RunRev and open source it themselves that may change, but I 
don't see it happening anytime soon.

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Re: Legacy stack woes

2007-06-06 Thread Rob Cozens


Bless you, Jacque!

I don't think there is such a property, but you can read the binary 
file to see the format. If it starts with "REVO" then it is the new 
format. But for what you are doing, I don't think you'll have to 
resort to this.


Thanks to you it was simple for me to create a menuItem and general handler:

on CheckStackFormat
answer file "Select the stack."
if the result is empty then answer "Legacy Format ="&&(formatIsLegacy(it))
end CheckStackFormat

function formatIsLegacy stackPath
  put false into legacyFormat
  if there is a stack stackPath then
open file stackPath for binary read
read from file stackPath for 4
close file stackPath
if it is not "REVO" then put true into legacyFormat
  end if
  return legacyFormat
end formatIsLegacy


Go to preferences, "Files and memory" pane, and turn off the option 
that automatically adds the ".rev" extension. Also turn on the 
option in the same pane that preserves the stack file type when 
saving a legacy stack.


Thanks.


I think a script would be the easiest way for the initial stack 
creation. For a single file:


on mySave
 set the stackfileversion to "2.4"
 save this stack as 
end mySave


Is there ever a need to reset stackFileVersion?


[snip]
If the Rev preference is set to respect legacy stacks, you don't 
need to run a script at all after the stack has been saved the first 
time. Cmd-S will just work.


Cool!

Rob
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OT: Open Source (was Don't you just wish Rev would do this?)

2007-06-06 Thread Shari

I've heard for years that open source is going to overcome closed 
source. I've listened to various people espousing it, heard examples 
of where this is said to be taking place - yet it isn't.  Open 
Source is no more logical than "Open Supermarkets" where food is 
given away.  Neither work in what is a Capitalistic world - a world 
I whole heartedly support as the only model we have that works most 
of the time at least for some of the people.  It's not perfect but 
the alternatives are worse.


Scott


Bottoms up to Ayn Rand!  Hear hear!

Isn't Open Source about the same as creating freeware?  Lots of 
people enjoy the benefits, one or few people do all the work, without 
ever getting paid for it.  Which means either you are doing it as a 
hobby, or are independantly wealthy which takes us back to it being a 
hobby, or you have a strong desire to give something to the world, so 
you are doing it as a contribution.  Or maybe you're doing it because 
you need it, and choose to give it away rather than sell it.  Or 
using it to practice your programming skills, as with a school 
project.  Yes, in some cases not as common, freeware can be used as a 
marketing tool for selling something else, but this method only works 
for a select few.


I wouldn't want an Open Source Revolution.  Where nobody is 
ultimately responsible for the bugs they create.  Where anybody can 
muddle and there's no telling what mischief goes forth.  Case in 
point, the whole discussion about whether a Mac Universal build 
should work on all flavors of OSX, or only the newer ones.


Doesn't Open Source mean that one person can randomly make that 
decision, and implement it at his will?  One person with a particular 
set of beliefs, that all people should have the newest computers out 
there with the latest and greatest OS's, goes into the source code 
and "breaks" it for anything older.


Then a week later, somebody else goes in and makes it backwards 
compatible again?


Maybe I don't know enough about Open Source, but it sounds more like 
anarchy to me.  Or am I misunderstanding what Open Source means?  I'm 
under the impression it means any programmer, anywhere in the world, 
can modify the code, without permission from anyone.  Or am I 
misunderstanding it?


I am also under the impression that Open Source software is geared 
toward programmers who are willing to modify the code if needed or 
broken, rather than a non-programmer who just wants to use a piece of 
software, and trust others to maintain it.


Especially with something as complex as Revolution, where many people 
are relying on it working properly for their bread and butter.   At 
least we have someone right now who knows the code inside and out, 
the history of, and the future of.  I sure wouldn't want Revolution 
to become some grand experiment.  It is far too complex for that.


I think they have created an unbelievably awesome product, and they 
absolutely should profit from it.  Their profit is our best hope of 
continuing our own profits.


I believe that hard work should always be rewarded.  We already have 
too many people in this world who think everything should be free, 
and that somebody else should do all the work.


Think of the battle that authors of shareware wage against the very 
perception of shareware being the equivalent of freeware in the minds 
of many.  How do you convince someone to buy it, when everybody is 
telling your consumers that it's supposed to be free?



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Re: strange (german) system date

2007-06-06 Thread Eric Chatonet


Yes I confirm here in France...
Rev says we are Thursday 6 :-(
In French...

Le 6 juin 07 à 16:18, Klaus Major a écrit :


Looks like this affects all non english systems.
Mark S. reported this bug first (#5035) with a dutch system.


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

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Re: strange (german) system date

2007-06-06 Thread Klaus Major


Hi Richard,


Klaus Major wrote:

...
Rev 2.8.1, WIN XP Home SP2.
In the msg:
put the long date -> Tuesday, June 5, 2007
which is correct.
put the long system date -> Mittwoch, 5. Juni 2007
which tells me it is wednesday (Mittwoch), NOT correct


Verified here.
This is an engine bug introduced with version 2.8.1, meaning  
that  Rev in their attempts to be progressive are one step ahead  
of  themselves in this particular instance.
Filed under bug #5112, but Mark S. was faster than me and so #5122  
is  a duplicate of #5035 :-)


It might also be helpful to know whether this issue is unique to  
German systems, or all non-US systems, or which set of systems are  
affected.


Looks like this affects all non english systems.
Mark S. reported this bug first (#5035) with a dutch system.

Anyone else with a non english windows system seen this?

One of the things that impressed me about RunRev's handling of  
v2.8.1's development was how much longer they extended the beta  
test period.  Do we know if this bug was introduced while fixing  
something else late in the game, or did we really have so little  
testing done by our European friends?


That's not meant to sound provocative; we all get busy, and I've  
missed whole beta cycles in the past when I've had project  
deadlines to meet.


But for the future it would of course be ideal to have a test cycle  
long enough to allow folks to run their own stuff sufficiently to  
catch regression issues like this.


What recommendations could we make to minimize the potential for  
these sorts of errors going forward?

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Best

Klaus Major
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Re: A glimpse of the future


Hello Bob,

RevBrowser works with WebKit on the mac and IE engine on windows. It
needs an embedable engine to work, on linux it could use Gecko.

Right now Opera doesn't ship an embedable engine that I know of. You
have opera running on all kinds of machines such as Game Boy Advance
and PCs but you don't have an SDK where you can embed opera anywhere
so, you can't count on that for your MHTs.

What you can do however is to make Rev convert your MHTs on HTML + CSS
+ Image files, this would be a simple single loop conversion and then
you could use it by shell to firefox on linux. Or if you're planning
to ship a software where you control both ends (generation of content
and display of content) you can make zip files with the HTML + Friends
and use the new external to decompress to temporary location for
display. This would be true cross platform and allow you to bundle
even more resources such as audio, video and INTERACTIVE STACKS! ;-)

Andre

On 6/6/07, Bob Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It's 17th October, 2007. Bob goes into his studio and turns on his
Ubuntu computer. As soon as Ubuntu is up and running, a little yellow
icon appears in the top right-hand corner of his screen. He clicks on
it, and Ubuntu tell him that there are some software updates for him to
download. He gladly accepts, and within a short time, the updates are done.

The first thing Bob does is to go into his system settings. He makes
Opera his default browser, rather than Firefox. He has a lot of MHTs to
display, and Opera is the only browser capable of displaying them. In
fact, Bob uses MHTs not only for compiling Help files and the like, but
in many circumstances he uses them instead of the old Word documents
nowadays. Not only are they more versatile for general use, but Bob
likes them because he can easily superimpose text on background images.
And of course all the HTML content and image data is contained within a
single file for easy distribution.

So now Bob wants to see whether the default Opera browser is used
successfully in the revBrowser example stack provided by Runtime
Revolution. He opens it up, runs it, and clicks on the appropriate
button.  Damn!  It didn't work. But before he has a chance to get too
disappointed, he notices that the "Rev Online" icon at the top of his
IDE screen is dancing up and down. He clicks on it and sees the
following message:

"Hello! Runtime Revolution here. We have some crucial update patches for
your IDE. Do you want to download them?"

Bob downloads the patches, re-starts his IDE, and opens up the
revBrowser example stack again. Lo and behold, there is a beautiful
display of an MHT shown in an Opera-based browser. The patches worked!


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Re: strange (german) system date


Klaus Major wrote:

...
Rev 2.8.1, WIN XP Home SP2.
In the msg:
put the long date -> Tuesday, June 5, 2007
which is correct.
put the long system date -> Mittwoch, 5. Juni 2007
which tells me it is wednesday (Mittwoch), NOT correct


Verified here.
This is an engine bug introduced with version 2.8.1, meaning that  
Rev in their attempts to be progressive are one step ahead of  
themselves in this particular instance.


Filed under bug #5112, but Mark S. was faster than me and so #5122 is  
a duplicate of #5035 :-)


It might also be helpful to know whether this issue is unique to German 
systems, or all non-US systems, or which set of systems are affected.


One of the things that impressed me about RunRev's handling of v2.8.1's 
development was how much longer they extended the beta test period.  Do 
we know if this bug was introduced while fixing something else late in 
the game, or did we really have so little testing done by our European 
friends?


That's not meant to sound provocative; we all get busy, and I've missed 
whole beta cycles in the past when I've had project deadlines to meet.


But for the future it would of course be ideal to have a test cycle long 
enough to allow folks to run their own stuff sufficiently to catch 
regression issues like this.


What recommendations could we make to minimize the potential for these 
sorts of errors going forward?


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Re: embedding a large number of copyrighted images

2007-06-06 Thread Brent Anderson


Hello.

Another option would be to zip up your folder full of images, set it  
as a custom property, and at runtime decompress it to a temporary  
folder (specialFolderPath will help here), access your images, and  
then delete the folder when you're done. As an extra precaution, you  
should encrypt the stack before compiling it so that the custom  
properties aren't accessible within the stack.


It is important to note that the images themselves can be accessed  
since they are being displayed on the screen. A quick Apple + Shift +  
4 and then a mouse drag over the area is enough to get any image off  
the screen. A watermark is your best bet for protecting your images.


Thanks,
Brent Anderson
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Re: Don't you just wish Rev would do this?

2007-06-06 Thread Randy Will

The issue with this is that "easier to use" is a very subjective area.  
Generally, in the tech sector, "easier to use" actually means "easier to use 
for someone who has been entrenched in the MS Windows world for the last 10 
years."  This is how MS gets all of their Cost of Ownership studies to work out 
for them.  "To upgrade Windows 98 to Windows XP on 100 client machines costs 
$x.  To install Linux on the same 100 machines, bring in a big-gun consultant 
to train your staff, send your in house IT staff to outsourced training 
exercises, and pay for commercial support for your FOSS solution will cost 
$x^2."  Of course it will.  But your IT staff's MCSE sure wasn't free either.  
If you want to look at the logical path for any business, of course it is 
cheaper to simply upgrade what you already have than to go in a completely new 
direction.

In my opinion, the Linux desktop in general is easier to use than the Windows 
desktop.  Nowthen, as I said before, I've been using the Linux desktop for ~15 
years.  If I have to use a Windows machine for any length of time, the first 
thing I do is get the X-Mouse and Virtual Desktop Power Toys.  These two very 
simple concepts more than double my productivity on a workstation.  The 
downside of the Power Toys is that they're a hack.  X-Mouse works quite well, 
but VD has some pretty obvious issues of which speed is the most paramount.  
Going further, there are shell alternatives such as Litestep and various 
flavors of Black Box.  Again, as I mentioned before, these are not solutions 
either.  Litestep makes me feel more at home on my XP machine, but still does 
not provide the power and flexibility of the Linux desktops that I have become 
reliant on.  

Just for the record, I have a long history of Linux GUI environments including 
KDE, GNOME, Xfce, Sawfish, Sawmill, FVWM, and WindowMaker.  The only one that I 
would call less functional than any MS shell is FVWM.  Disclaimer: my only 
experience with Vista was a beta run that hard locked my computer every 3 
minutes or so, so other than "ooh, look, the eye candy than OSX had three years 
ago" I don't have the experience to comment on it.

What all this comes down to is that "ease of use" is in the eye of the 
beholder.  Yes, for the general public market that already knows Windows, 
Windows is going to be the more effective route.  (I could pose arguments in 
opposition as both my wife and technophobe parents [yes, both of them] run 
Linux on their laptops and home-office machines, but that's for another time.)  
However, for the programmers and daily hacks, FOSS provides some very nice 
solutions.

As for your commentary on assembler:  I wrote a little game in assembler once 
on a TI-85.  Flexibility, I'll give you.  Not so much feature rich. =)

Since you brought up the Mozilla foundation and "paid open source development"; 
 Personally, I like this model.  Of course it leads to licensing issues leading 
to stupid forks like Iceweasel and Icedove, but to me, it's a nice muddying of 
the waters between commercial development and FOSS.  

Some commentary on FOSS projects vs commercial counterparts:

OOWriter does not work well with MS Office Templates
OOCalc will not give you the equation for a best-fit line
OOo is general is bloated
MSWord does not work with damn near anything that it didn't personally produce
MSExcel is a reasonable tool for data sets with less than 65,xxx datapoints.
MSOffice defines bloated

To sit down and write a letter, they're about the same.  OOo feels less "mushy" 
to me, but again, I use it daily and have gotten used to it.  If I were used to 
MSO, OOo would probably feel "jagged" or something.  OOo has native export to 
PDF.  That's a very nice thing in the accessibility sector.  No, "print to PDF" 
is not the same as native export to PDF.

The Mozilla products have already been covered...

Other FOSS projects worth looking at:
Audacity, GIMP, Gaim, K3B, Amarok, the Ubuntu / GNOME Update thingy, wxWidgets

There are many others, but those are a few that I use on a daily basis.

Ok, that was a lot longer than I expected it to be...  

Back to work--

   -r


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/5/2007 5:47 PM >>>
I thought about an hour, and couldn't think of any open source software 
that was easier to use then its (almost always existing) commercial 
counterpart. Meanwhile OS products have often many more features.
I however use Runtime Revolution because of it's ease of use, if I'd 
want features I'd probably use assembler.

PS: Firefox/Thunderbird/Camino: the Mozilla foundation has paid 
developers.

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A glimpse of the future

2007-06-06 Thread Bob Warren

It's 17th October, 2007. Bob goes into his studio and turns on his 
Ubuntu computer. As soon as Ubuntu is up and running, a little yellow 
icon appears in the top right-hand corner of his screen. He clicks on 
it, and Ubuntu tell him that there are some software updates for him to 
download. He gladly accepts, and within a short time, the updates are done.


The first thing Bob does is to go into his system settings. He makes 
Opera his default browser, rather than Firefox. He has a lot of MHTs to 
display, and Opera is the only browser capable of displaying them. In 
fact, Bob uses MHTs not only for compiling Help files and the like, but 
in many circumstances he uses them instead of the old Word documents 
nowadays. Not only are they more versatile for general use, but Bob 
likes them because he can easily superimpose text on background images. 
And of course all the HTML content and image data is contained within a 
single file for easy distribution.


So now Bob wants to see whether the default Opera browser is used 
successfully in the revBrowser example stack provided by Runtime 
Revolution. He opens it up, runs it, and clicks on the appropriate 
button.  Damn!  It didn't work. But before he has a chance to get too 
disappointed, he notices that the "Rev Online" icon at the top of his 
IDE screen is dancing up and down. He clicks on it and sees the 
following message:


"Hello! Runtime Revolution here. We have some crucial update patches for 
your IDE. Do you want to download them?"


Bob downloads the patches, re-starts his IDE, and opens up the 
revBrowser example stack again. Lo and behold, there is a beautiful 
display of an MHT shown in an Opera-based browser. The patches worked!



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Re: base64encode and jpg problem

2007-06-06 Thread Eric Chatonet


Hi Nicolas,

Images are binaries: use 'binfile' instead of 'file'.

Le 6 juin 07 à 14:13, Nicolas Cueto a écrit :


I can't figure out why the following doesn't work:

put (base64encode(URL "file:img/000.jpg")) into URL "file:img/000.if5"
...
put (base64decode(URL "file:img/000.if5")) into URL
"file:img/000new.jpg"

The files "000.if5" and "000new.jpg" are created,
and "000.jpg" and "000new.jpg" are the same size,
but "000new.jpg" doesn't display.

Thank you.

--
Nicolas Cueto


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
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base64encode and jpg problem

2007-06-06 Thread Nicolas Cueto

I can't figure out why the following doesn't work:

put (base64encode(URL "file:img/000.jpg")) into URL "file:img/000.if5"
...
put (base64decode(URL "file:img/000.if5")) into URL
"file:img/000new.jpg"

The files "000.if5" and "000new.jpg" are created,
and "000.jpg" and "000new.jpg" are the same size,
but "000new.jpg" doesn't display.

Thank you.

--
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Re: Don't you just wish Rev would do this?


From: "Andre Garzia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



 Also if we have a better way to create externals 


I agree with this.  The method to create externals in C++ is a total PITA. 
That certainly should be improved and IMHO to the point where a standard dll 
(etc) can be referenced without out the hoop jumping needed presently.


Scott 


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Re: Don't you just wish Rev would do this?


From: "David Bovill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Google seems to be doing better with a business strategy based around open 
source software.


Eh?  That is not backed up by installed base and respective profits of the 
two companies.  MS has the lead in both.


I've heard for years that open source is going to overcome closed source. 
I've listened to various people espousing it, heard examples of where this 
is said to be taking place - yet it isn't.  Open Source is no more logical 
than "Open Supermarkets" where food is given away.  Neither work in what is 
a Capitalistic world - a world I whole heartedly support as the only model 
we have that works most of the time at least for some of the people.  It's 
not perfect but the alternatives are worse.


Scott 


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Re: Don't you just wish Rev would do this?


I see only three reasons for anything to go open source:

1) To attract more users - For example, Revolution Enterprise costs about
600 USD which in turn costs about 1,030 of my Brazilian Reals, the minimum
wage is 404 BRL, students such as me earns less than that per month. For
example, my university pays an student-assistant the amount of 300 BRL per
month. Now if you make the math, while buying Revolution for business is
extremelly cost effective, a student will only buy Rev if he trully
undertands and appreciate the software. There´s no room for shareware like
impulse to buy. And  I´ll not enter the topic of piracy in here, anyone
wanting to know about piracy in Brazil drop me a note and I´ll send a pic
with what happens in front of my university. Truth is, student users prefer
OSS mostly because of cost, if it´s payware then piracy is a better option,
visual studio.net costs about 3 USD in front of my university.

2) To attract more developers - Making a big development pool and solving
bugs/adding features/porting. Most revolution users will stay away of C/C++
code so the question is, who will help manage the engine?!

3) To look cool and try to aim to become a standard - All OSS projects aim
to become important enough to become a standard, not in the sense of RFC and
IEEE but in the sense of thinking about a software category and matching it
with the software such as we do with Apache and Web Servers. There are a lot
of web servers out there but we always think of Apache, not because it´s
chepeast or the best but because thats a standard way to think.

I think everyone would like to RunRev to go open source but the question
remains: "how do we make money?". We should ask ourselves this question, if
I ask RunRev to open source the language, why I am delivering closed source
software? Let each of us try to delives an OSS project and think, how we
will pay our bills. I just received as a gift from google a nice book on
Open Source Software Project management, the author tries to answer the
question of how to manage a successful OSS project, it´s harder than people
think, specially if it involves paying bills.

Now that we know that in the short and medium time frames, runrev needs to
be closed source to pay their bills and all the ROI thing. Let us focus on
the three objectives above, attract more users, attract more developers,
look cool!

1) Attract more users - To do that RunRev needs to appear more in the media,
more articles, more software made, it needs to be on the spotlight. Also it
needs something more than a trial version, something that the wannabe user
might use and get hooked and think, I need to buy this. It doesn´t need to
be OSS but it needs that felling of: "I am paying nothing for this and this
is marvelous, if I pay for this it will become even better and I need to do
it". That was my felling with the Revolution Starter Kit. I could do things
but that scriptLimits was such an obstacles to all the things I wanted to
build that I could not stand it any longer. I think we need something better
than the scriptLimited starter kit, but a starter kit would be good.

2) Attract more developers - I use some niche operating systems that don´t
have an xTalk. I am very sad about that, I wish I could do something but I
cannot. I´d work, even for free, with rev to port the engine, even an old
engine, to such platforms, but since Rev is a closed source, I can´t do it.
What can be done? If runtime revolution could Open Source some parts of
hardware and operating system dependent code so that developers could help
porting the system to new hardware and OS. This I belive would not hurt the
company and could make we go back to the days of "it compiles even to
HP-UX". Also if we have a better way to create externals or a better way to
do FFI, we can add whatever we want to Rev, even if it is closed source.

3) Look cool and aim for a standard - Adobe did that with PDF and the Adobe
Reader. If the Revolution player was wide spread and famous, the internet
would be like a dream land beyond all the promisses of FLEX and AJAX.
Something like that would only be possible if rev had more users. That get
us back to the starter kit thing and marketing. We need something people can
download and make stuff, something better than time limited demo. We need
viral marketing such as blogs, podcasts and youtube videos, fun youtube
videos. Just launch RunRev, create a simple application on Mac OS X, build
for windows, transfer the files and run on windows, record the screens and
show that to a java guy, he´ll be in tears. The current flavor of the month
is AJAX, Web 2.0 and online apps. Show the world what Rev can do in those
camps or near those camps, give people a starter kit to start playing and
look cool.

I think that the only real advantage of open source software is that OSS
never dies. If a company behind an OSS folds, some group can take it from
there. RunRev appears very healthy so I am not afraid of that.

A

Re: Don't you just wish Rev would do this?

On 06/06/07, Scott Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: "Peter T. Evensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Microsoft seems to be doing very well without open-sourcing its
> development tools.

Google seems to be doing better with a business strategy based around open
source software.

On 05/06/07, Randy Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have to agree that Open Source is currently a fad in the tech market.  All
of the monthly rags are really starting to get into it.  On the other hand,
you have to give some value to the movement away from a completely closed
development model.

Disclaimer:  I am a cross-platform accessible software developer.  I am an
Open Source zealot.

:)

Don't under-estimate fads. There logic may suck - but a lesson I personally
learned (rather painfully) - is that the technological advantage of a
platform never beats the social logic of the people using it. In the
1980-90's it was IBM / M'soft trained engineers influencing technophobic
accountants against a technically superior platform. Now the "fashion"
element is more important with regard to getting a mind-share of the
development community - a significant part of which you can refer to with
the term "geek".

In my opinion, the big companies going Open Source are looking much more at
public opinion than technological advancement.  With everyone hating the
RIAA / MPAA / whateverelseAA, why not take a chance at making your company
look like you care about the little guy?  In my experience, it costs about
the same to develop software in-house as it does to Open Source it.  Given
the minimal cost differences, public opinion could be a cheap buy.

Public opinion has a little to do with it - but not directly in terms of
users. I have never met a "user" that "likes" open source. Companies want to
influence and attract developers and the developer community around their
products - the bigger ones like SUN / IBM are interested in the big
government contracts - and open solutions have a political USP there.

The reason that OpenRevolution could succeed is that there are interested
parties.  The reason it would almost definitely fail is that RR is pretty
well designed for low-effort programming.  Anyone seriously interested in
developing with RR doesn't have the time to muck around in a bunch of
C/C++.  That's why they're using RR.  GUI / RAD developers interested in C++
are already over at the wxWidgets camp and I don't see that changing any
time soon.

Very true. But again the aim of an open source strategy would be precisely
to attract those developers in order to add value to the platform. That may
not be easy, but without them the platform will die. In the age of open
source development frameworks, you have to be very very big or very very
clever to survive without attracting an extended and talented developer
community.

For some of the advantages this platform had - RunRev may now be too late. A
couple of years ago, all the open source widget / gui stuff was so awful
that an open source cross platform solution to their GUI nightmare would
have gained a lot of developer mind-set - in the age of AJAX and fairly good
widget sets the GUI advantage is rapidly becoming a disadvantage - watch Rev
get dragged into altBrowser territory more and more. Cudos to Altuit and
Chipp for that one - always ahead of the crowd.

Interestingly that is the way Adobe seem to be going with this:

  -
  http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo:developerfaq#What_is_Apollo.3F
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Re: Don't you just wish Rev would do this?


On 05/06/07, Lynn Fredricks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Adobe "owns" all of the best selling commercial tools for
producing/supporting content for the Flex platform.



And how did they get there - not by selling software but giving away an easy
to install and useful piece of software?

By open sourcing Flex, they still maintain dominance because so many people

will use their tools to generate Flex related stuff. Yet they also appeal
to
open source/free software communities and can leverage any work generated
there as a result - that looks good to shareholders, too.



Yes- you could add that they are probably seriously worried by the long term
implications of AJAX style open standards for a pure closed source business
model.

Something that works for one company (or even a group of companies) doesn't

necessarily mean the strategy is sound for everyone else - those
strategies
are built with the structure of those companies in mind. I have had
clients
and partners of clients that have emulated Apple or Microsoft for example
-
and at best its helped not at all, at other times disasterous.



Nice hand waiving - I guess there is an NDA lurking there somewhere - but
seriously it would be more interesting to here some arguments :)

There is no reason I can see why Rev does not slowly migrate to an open
source business strategy. That migration is dangerous no doubt - but so is
doing nothing. I would argue that Adobe have got that, and the reasons why
they and their shareholders support this strategy apply to the majority of
tool development companies in the age of Web2.0. Exactly how these companies
respond will vary yes - but respond they will need to.

I would add that it is a pity that RunRev did not get this early - as they
have lost a serious earry mover advantage over competitors.
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Center text within a field?

I'm trying to center text in a field within a graphic (circle). The  
text can be any font and any size.


I've been experimenting with code to center text within the field and  
then set the loc of the circle to the loc of the field. I have yet to  
find a method that perfectly centers text of any given font and any  
given size within a field though.


Among other things I tried using the formattedRect of char X, but  
that doesn't report the true size of the character as it appears on  
the screen (textheight seems to be used for the reported height).  
While this works for some fonts, it doesn't for others.


So I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas or has done this before?

Thanks,

--
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com-www.screensteps.com
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Re: Don't you just wish Rev would do this?


On 05/06/07, Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Are these young minds concerned about cost, or do they need to modify
the C++ source?



Cost makes little difference to the students I know - if they need a piece
of software in their studies they "know" how to get it :) Access to the
source code - for hacking and learning - maybe.

The reasons I pick up on are a mixed bunch: - a mixture of:

  - the philosophy - what are the ideas behind it / is it cool?
  - more important is a sense of "follow the leader". They want to be in
  the same crowd as other cool coders they respect.
  - Add to this a bit of long term business nous - is this framework
  going to be around when I qualify = "open source is the way to go"

The cost factor is particularly perverse - in poorer countries where money
is much more of an immediate factor than pure geek credentials - proprietary
software (ripped off) is the way to go. In some notable cases governments
and goverment contracts try to encourage open source in these situations -
again largely for "political" reasons, or a mistaken idea that it will be
cheaper.
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Re: Don't you just wish Rev would do this?