Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On 01/05/2010 04:34, Kay C Lan wrote: On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Peter Alcibiades palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Some very wise comments on this issue: Yes, many of the reader 'comments' made about this article are very wise. Unfortunately the article itself seems to be written by someone who believes they live in an idealistic world where people are forced to buy Apple products. Well; nobody is forced to buy Apple products, but there is a tremendous amount of peer pressure among the 20-40 year olds (who make up the majority of the tech consumers) which almost amounts to compulsion. Steve Jobs, like it or not, does have dictatorial tendencies, and, like it or not, he does have tremendous power. It is entirely possible, of course, to pop round the corner, buy a cheapo PC and run whatever form of Linux grabs your fancy for next to nothing - I know because that is very much my bag; but I'm a 48 year-old non-conformist who has had people being rude to and about him for so long that he has ceased to care; having a sufficiently self-confident ego that it hasn't been crushed over the years. Unfortunately (at least from my point of view) the world that buys new computers (i.e. North America, Europe, Australia and the Pacific Rim) does not consist of lots of goats; it consists of sheep mainly. Last year, in Edinburgh the most informative thing for me (even more than the conference) were the looks my wife's 7 year old G4 iBook was getting in the Student halls of residence from Japanese students; several of them came over and asked me why I didn't have a whizz-bang, spiffy-bananas macBook - I don't think any of them could understand my reply: When it breaks down completely I will buy a new laptop, if I still need one. I have a similar problem with 3 spoilt rich kids I teach English to who cannot understand why I have a G3 iMac at the front of the class rather than some newer machine attached to a monster flat-screen VDU. I have told them that when I put my fees up from £4 for 90 minutes to £40 I will get a flat-screen for myself upstairs; but that the G3 is just the ticket for the school. - Yes, there are many wise remarks; but they are probably tempered by a realisation that most of the spending public are fairly foolish and prone to the winds of fashion. The woman who helps my younger son with his Bulgarian literature came round to borrow some money the other day because she had seen a whopper flat-screen TV at half price in some trade mag a week earlier and spent the month's food-and-bills money on it so she could be just like the people next door (who enjoy a much larger income): I forwent the temptation to give her a suitably pompous lecture . . . :) Quod erat demonstrandum (kept the pomposity for here). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] MicroSheep follow a bad Apple
Adobe must be sweating: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/30/microsoft-looks-to-a-future-of-h-264-based-html5-for-web-video-content/ Well; happy RunRev developers; it is proabbaly better in the long run if Flash becomes less all-pervasive, especially if the revWeb plugin for Linux can get sorted out. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
The article starts out by endorsing Jobs' criticism of Flash and agreeing with him that the problem with Flash is that it is proprietary, and that an Internet in which much of the content is coded in a proprietary format which requires a particular software package from one vendor to access it, is a bad thing. By 'a bad thing' people who make this argument usually mean that an outcome may result from the rational, informed and independent choices of the individuals who make up a society. But were they collectively to be asked whether it they like or approve of it or prefer it, they would say no. The ensemble of choices rational for the indiviiduals, when taken as a whole, diminishes utility for all. We might prefer there to be clean fuel regulations, but if there are not any, coal is cheaper and its rational for us as individuals to burn it, because going to coke is more expensive for us, and will make no difference to total emissions. Now consider revWeb. Jobs would have the same objection to it. If it were simply an easy and cheap way to write apps which run in a browser, that would be fine. But if it were to get out and be, like Flash, a medium in which much public Internet content was coded, everyone would have to install the revWeb plug-in, and that would be only available from one vendor. Both Jobs and the EFF would object to this even if, as with Flash, its adoption resulted from free individual choices by content developers and web users. Jobs is then strongly critical of cross-platform development suites. Rev is, or is trying to be, fully cross platform, and revWeb makes it cross platform in spades: it makes it possible to compile to a browser application, as well as a standalone desktop application. So this is cross platform between desktop and web browser app, and it also tries to be cross platform across browsers, and finally it is cross-platform in the traditional sense, between different operating systems. The article points out that the grounds on which Jobs objects to Flash are also applicable to much of Apple's own conduct, and it points out in addition that the real problem for Jobs with cross platform development tools is that they allow 'write once run everywhere', whereas what Jobs would like is to have total control over applications and content on 'his' platform, and so would like to have writing for Apple be a dedicated exercise tailored to their platform. Rev is clearly in the sights on this one. There is an odd idea, in some recent defenses of Apple, and in the comments on Ars, that the only legitimate reply to a company doing something whose effects on society one does not approve of, as a citizen, is to refrain from buying their products. This makes as much sense as the idea that if one disapproves of the potentially catastrophic effect of the mass adoption of financial derivatives in the finance sector, one should restrict one's action to not buying them. The EFF is pointing out that proprietary content formats on the Net are a Bad Thing for everyone who wants to see information in non-proprietary formats, on grounds of intellectual freedom. People who feel this, like me, often feel it because of hard experience of orphaned data. There are cases in which nationally important content has simply vanished in electronic form, because of proprietary coding. Now, we may not have been the authors or copyright owners of it. But we have an interest in there being continued access to our cultural heritage, as readers and customers, yes, and as citizens. The EFF would have the same problem with revWeb if it became adopted in the same way that Flash has been, for the same reasons. Unless the approach of the company were to change. Its then going on to point our that Apple achieves the same end, restriction of availability of content and of what people can do with their platforms, by different and additional means. So the bottom line of the article is: Adobe and Apple are two versions of closed and proprietary, and for one to criticize the other for being proprietary is rather hilarious, and both are bad for society. The lesson for us however should be that Rev meets two of Jobs' criteria for being linked to the Anti-Party clique: One, its proprietary and on the net. Two, its cross platform. So watch out: the next stop is a knock on the door at 3am and a long holiday in sunny Siberia. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2107283.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
I guess someone else agrees with Apple: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-will-not-support-flash.aspx What a hoot :-)) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On 01/05/2010 10:34, Kay C Lan wrote: I guess someone else agrees with Apple: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-will-not-support-flash.aspx What a hoot :-)) Is that person's name really Hachamovitch? Hack - em - over - itch. Must be the lack of sleep last night . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
I don't like or approve of Flash either! But it is hilarious to see the people who are opposing it and why. To an outside observer it seems like MS, Adobe, Apple are all about as alike as Coke and Pepsi on this one. Maybe Apple is a bit worse but there's not much in it. HTML5 is not open. Its a different flavor of proprietary, by the way. H264 is proprietary. Its like Italy and Portugal should suddenly express pious horror about the fact that Greece is running large deficits. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Apples-actual-response-to-the-Flash-issue-tp2075668p2111625.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
If this were April 1st I'd certainly think you were on to something, but a Google search of 'Dean Hachamovitch' reveals he really is who they say he is. Bye Bye Flash... Almost seems like a Tech Lynching. Now let me guess, there'll be a whole bunch of rumours surrounding this event, followed by legal action, accusations, investigations; but inevitably a slow an painful death. On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/05/2010 10:34, Kay C Lan wrote: I guess someone else agrees with Apple: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-will-not-support-flash.aspx What a hoot :-)) Is that person's name really Hachamovitch? Hack - em - over - itch. Must be the lack of sleep last night . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: how to zip a bundle, keeping all locked attributes
Hello, I am missing some Mac know-how. I tried different zip tools and with all my locked file (inside a bundle) is unlocked after having the bundle zipped and unzipped. So obviously it is not a matter of ditto, but of the system. So Marks advice to set the locked of the file by program after having it unzipped, seems to be the only solution. Or am I missing something obvious? Thanks for any advice Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB Gesendet: Freitag, 30. April 2010 20:49 An: 'How to use Revolution' Betreff: how to zip a bundle, keeping all locked attributes, was: need ditto zipping help Hello, I think I posted the wrong question to understand the problem. Is it a normal behavior on Mac, when zipping and unzipping a bundle that a containing file loses its locked attribute? Or does it depend on the zip tool or its parameters? Other way around, if it is a standard behavior for ditto and there is no other parameter to keep the status, is there a recommended zip tool, where all files keep their locked/unlocked attribute? Thanks for any advice Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB Gesendet: Freitag, 30. April 2010 14:23 An: 'How to use Revolution' Betreff: need ditto zipping help Hello, still not very familiar with the Mac and its specialities I need some help with zipping with ditto. I have a locked file in my App bundle. After zipping and unzipping the whole bundle (in an update process) the locked file isn't locked anymore. The ditto parameters I am using for zipping are: Ditto -c -k --sequesterRsrc Can anybody shed some light on this, how I can preserve the locked file being locked? Thanks for any hints Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is rev Oracle support just a joke?
I still see that the RunRev website advertises that it works with Oracle. Last time I checked this was far from the thruth. Is this still the case? Best Regards, Sakari Ruoho ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is rev Oracle support just a joke?
On 01/05/2010 12:45, Sakari Ruoho wrote: I still see that the RunRev website advertises that it works with Oracle. Last time I checked this was far from the thruth. Is this still the case? The documentation says that one can run RunRev on SPARC, HP-UX, SCO Open DeskTop, Silicon Graphics IRIX and Solaris for x86 architecture: http://docs.runrev.com/Function/platform (accessed today) so I wouldn't put too much faith in the documentation. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is rev Oracle support just a joke?
Ok :D Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 01/05/2010 12:45, Sakari Ruoho wrote: I still see that the RunRev website advertises that it works with Oracle. Last time I checked this was far from the thruth. Is this still the case? The documentation says that one can run RunRev on SPARC, HP-UX, SCO Open DeskTop, Silicon Graphics IRIX and Solaris for x86 architecture: http://docs.runrev.com/Function/platform (accessed today) so I wouldn't put too much faith in the documentation. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] MicroSheep follow a bad Apple
On May 1, 2010, at 2:20 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Adobe must be sweating: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/30/microsoft-looks-to-a-future-of-h-264-based-html5-for-web-video-content/ Not really. By saying that only H.264 is support, they mean that they are not going to directly support other HTML5 video formats, such as Ogg Vorbis ones. Flash video, On2VP6, was never due to be supported. You will still be able to play both On2VP6 and H.264 by using Flash, as you can now. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On May 1, 2010, at 3:34 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: I guess someone else agrees with Apple: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-will-not-support-flash.aspx What a hoot :-)) That article has been quoted all over the place, and fortunately most of the debate has been about what bad reporting it is, and not about IE9's support of Flash. The IE9 support mentioned in the original blog (http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/04/29/html5-video.aspx) is only talking about video formats, and not about Flash in general. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] MicroSheep follow a bad Apple
On 01/05/2010 15:10, Colin Holgate wrote: On May 1, 2010, at 2:20 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Adobe must be sweating: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/30/microsoft-looks-to-a-future-of-h-264-based-html5-for-web-video-content/ Not really. By saying that only H.264 is support, they mean that they are not going to directly support other HTML5 video formats, such as Ogg Vorbis ones. Flash video, On2VP6, was never due to be supported. You will still be able to play both On2VP6 and H.264 by using Flash, as you can now. Expectng Microsoft to support something open source like Ogg Vorbis is expecting too much. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path?
Hello, since I don't find a way how to preserve the lock status of a file, when zipping, I am now trying to follow Marks plan B, but am shipwrecking without Mac experience. I have the rev path of my file like: /foo/myfile in myFile. I have an oneliner applescript set the locked of myFile to true. I stored the applescript in a field and wanted to replace a placeholder for the filename like filename in the applescript by the revfile path myFile. Now I replaced slash with colon, so that I get :foo:myFile. But applescript doesn't likes it. Probably because applescript needs an absolute path like Macintosh HD:foo:myFile. How do I achive that, without knowing the name of the users HD? Add: What user rights does a user needs to change the locked attribute by applescript? Or what happens, if a user, without full rights, runs my prog with this applescript? Thanks for any help Tiemo ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path?
Le 1 mai 2010 à 14:50, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit : Hello, since I don't find a way how to preserve the lock status of a file, Hi Tiemo, This command did work for me on Snow Leopard : ditto -v -rsrcFork /source /destination I could keep all hidden and immutable flags ! HTH Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path?
2010/5/1 Tiemo Hollmann TB toolb...@kestner.de: Hello, since I don't find a way how to preserve the lock status of a file, when zipping, I am now trying to follow Marks plan B, but am shipwrecking without Mac experience. I have the rev path of my file like: /foo/myfile in myFile. I have an oneliner applescript set the locked of myFile to true. I stored the applescript in a field and wanted to replace a placeholder for the filename like filename in the applescript by the revfile path myFile. Now I replaced slash with colon, so that I get :foo:myFile. But applescript doesn't likes it. Probably because applescript needs an absolute path like Macintosh HD:foo:myFile. How do I achive that, without knowing the name of the users HD? Add: What user rights does a user needs to change the locked attribute by applescript? Or what happens, if a user, without full rights, runs my prog with this applescript? Thanks for any help Hi Tiemo, Have you tried to use the POSIX path in applescript? POSIX path of file Macintosh HD:foo:myFile HTH, Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Data Grid] Duplicate large amount of rows
2010/5/1 Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.com: On Apr 30, 2010, at 2:04 PM, zryip theSlug wrote: However the Data Grid command AddData does more than a simple creation of a new index in an array. This is where I'm suspicious with my code. AddData has to update any caches that are created when setting the dgData. If you are updating the array and assigning the dgData then you are good to go (assuming the array is created properly). Great, thanks Trevor! Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
iPhone?
Oddly enough I see that RunRev are still marketing their revMobile (which I understand to work with Windows mobile as well as the iPhone OS): We will be introducing a brand new product, revMobile, which will initially support Maemo, Windows Mobile, the iPhone and iPad. However, as far as I can understand, while revMobile supports iPhone and iPad; Apple doesn't support revMobile on these platforms. you'll be able to use revTalk rather than Objective-C try telling that to Steve Jobs. The question I have is not about revMobile's capabilities as such, but why it is still being touted for iPhone and iPad after everything that wasn't built Steve's way was excluded from the App store. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
Dear Richmond, I think it is possible to create application for iPad without putting it into the App Store. For my own it is enough... My application (my project are not to be sold) But how many people (here) make application 1. for themselves 2. directly for a company (App store not necessary...) 3. free (gratuit !) ? That is the question Bon souvenir de Paris René Le 1 mai 2010 à 15:54, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Oddly enough I see that RunRev are still marketing their revMobile (which I understand to work with Windows mobile as well as the iPhone OS): We will be introducing a brand new product, revMobile, which will initially support Maemo, Windows Mobile, the iPhone and iPad. However, as far as I can understand, while revMobile supports iPhone and iPad; Apple doesn't support revMobile on these platforms. you'll be able to use revTalk rather than Objective-C try telling that to Steve Jobs. The question I have is not about revMobile's capabilities as such, but why it is still being touted for iPhone and iPad after everything that wasn't built Steve's way was excluded from the App store. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
In 1987 this was the primary purpose of HyperCard (oh Bill [Atkinson] where are you !?) Le 1 mai 2010 à 16:02, René Micout a écrit : Dear Richmond, I think it is possible to create application for iPad without putting it into the App Store. For my own it is enough... My application (my project are not to be sold) But how many people (here) make application 1. for themselves 2. directly for a company (App store not necessary...) 3. free (gratuit !) ? That is the question Bon souvenir de Paris René Le 1 mai 2010 à 15:54, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Oddly enough I see that RunRev are still marketing their revMobile (which I understand to work with Windows mobile as well as the iPhone OS): We will be introducing a brand new product, revMobile, which will initially support Maemo, Windows Mobile, the iPhone and iPad. However, as far as I can understand, while revMobile supports iPhone and iPad; Apple doesn't support revMobile on these platforms. you'll be able to use revTalk rather than Objective-C try telling that to Steve Jobs. The question I have is not about revMobile's capabilities as such, but why it is still being touted for iPhone and iPad after everything that wasn't built Steve's way was excluded from the App store. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
On May 1, 2010, at 10:02 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: I think it is possible to create application for iPad without putting it into the App Store. While that is true, it would also break the SDK agreement. The agreement doesn't say that you can only use certain languages for Store apps, it says you can only use certain languages. Same with the interpreter, you can't make things with an interpretive layer. No mention of whether it's intended for the App Store or not. Now, it is unlikely that Apple would track you down, but if you ever mentioned the application online, Apple could revoke your iPhone developer status. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
Bill is making photographs now. He also published an iPhone application called PhotoCard :-) http://www.billatkinson.com/aboutPhotoCard.html -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net Op 1 mei 2010, om 16:06 heeft René Micout het volgende geschreven: In 1987 this was the primary purpose of HyperCard (oh Bill [Atkinson] where are you !?) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
I think it is not legal (clause leonine)... In France I think this clause is not possible. I think it is a juridic debat... Le 1 mai 2010 à 16:24, Colin Holgate a écrit : On May 1, 2010, at 10:02 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: I think it is possible to create application for iPad without putting it into the App Store. While that is true, it would also break the SDK agreement. The agreement doesn't say that you can only use certain languages for Store apps, it says you can only use certain languages. Same with the interpreter, you can't make things with an interpretive layer. No mention of whether it's intended for the App Store or not. Now, it is unlikely that Apple would track you down, but if you ever mentioned the application online, Apple could revoke your iPhone developer status. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
On May 1, 2010, at 10:31 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: I think it is not legal (clause leonine)... In France I think this clause is not possible. I think it is a juridic debat... Perhaps Europe could sue Apple like they sued Microsoft! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
Yes, I know, but in French Où es-tu ... ? is an expression to invoque somebody to remind the present greatness of the past... Le 1 mai 2010 à 16:29, Mark Schonewille a écrit : Bill is making photographs now. He also published an iPhone application called PhotoCard :-) http://www.billatkinson.com/aboutPhotoCard.html -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer We have updated TwistAWord. Download TwistAWord 1.1 at http://www.twistaword.net Op 1 mei 2010, om 16:06 heeft René Micout het volgende geschreven: In 1987 this was the primary purpose of HyperCard (oh Bill [Atkinson] where are you !?) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
If I develop MY application for MY iPad and if I dont put it into the App Store, Apple cannot do anything against me The only possibility for Apple to prohibit other language that C, C++ and Objective C is when you submit an application for App Store approbation... How can they do otherwise ? There is enough work with the App Store application, then the others... Le 1 mai 2010 à 16:36, Colin Holgate a écrit : On May 1, 2010, at 10:31 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: I think it is not legal (clause leonine)... In France I think this clause is not possible. I think it is a juridic debat... Perhaps Europe could sue Apple like they sued Microsoft! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
And if I do that and Apple make me a procedure. In France (it is not USA) the court, if I am wrong, condamn me, perhaps, ONE euro (symbolistic) in damages... Le 1 mai 2010 à 16:40, René Micout a écrit : If I develop MY application for MY iPad and if I dont put it into the App Store, Apple cannot do anything against me The only possibility for Apple to prohibit other language that C, C++ and Objective C is when you submit an application for App Store approbation... How can they do otherwise ? There is enough work with the App Store application, then the others... Le 1 mai 2010 à 16:36, Colin Holgate a écrit : On May 1, 2010, at 10:31 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: I think it is not legal (clause leonine)... In France I think this clause is not possible. I think it is a juridic debat... Perhaps Europe could sue Apple like they sued Microsoft! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
On May 1, 2010, at 10:40 AM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: The only possibility for Apple to prohibit other language that C, C++ and Objective C is when you submit an application for App Store approbation... How can they do otherwise ? They can change the iPhone OS to not run apps that were made from other languages, or make iTunes automatically delete those apps when you connect the phone. My guess is that they will allow some tools, like Rev, to work, even in the store, and that it will all continue to just be a vendetta against Flash. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
On 01/05/2010 17:36, Colin Holgate wrote: On May 1, 2010, at 10:31 AM, René Micoutrene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: I think it is not legal (clause leonine)... In France I think this clause is not possible. I think it is a juridic debat... Perhaps Europe could sue Apple like they sued Microsoft! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sovereign_State_of_ITT ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
On 01/05/2010 17:48, Colin Holgate wrote: On May 1, 2010, at 10:40 AM, René Micoutrene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: The only possibility for Apple to prohibit other language that C, C++ and Objective C is when you submit an application for App Store approbation... How can they do otherwise ? They can change the iPhone OS to not run apps that were made from other languages, or make iTunes automatically delete those apps when you connect the phone. My guess is that they will allow some tools, like Rev, to work, even in the store, and that it will all continue to just be a vendetta against Flash. Let's hope so; although having made a blanket statement I don't quite see how Apple will get out of part of it without having to rescind all of it. The whole thing looks as crude as gang warfare between Apple and Adobe; but, as in all cases of gang warfare, others get injured by flying glass and so on. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
In some areas (mainly trade), it is true that multinationals are sometimes more powerful than states, but in other cases (and freedom is part of it) states and their legislation is far more powerful than the companies . Le 1 mai 2010 à 16:54, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : On 01/05/2010 17:36, Colin Holgate wrote: On May 1, 2010, at 10:31 AM, René Micoutrene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: I think it is not legal (clause leonine)... In France I think this clause is not possible. I think it is a juridic debat... Perhaps Europe could sue Apple like they sued Microsoft! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sovereign_State_of_ITT ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
For now, I dont see the color of an iPad... :-) or :-( at the end of this month ?) Le 1 mai 2010 à 16:58, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : On 01/05/2010 17:48, Colin Holgate wrote: On May 1, 2010, at 10:40 AM, René Micoutrene.mic...@numericable.com wrote: The only possibility for Apple to prohibit other language that C, C++ and Objective C is when you submit an application for App Store approbation... How can they do otherwise ? They can change the iPhone OS to not run apps that were made from other languages, or make iTunes automatically delete those apps when you connect the phone. My guess is that they will allow some tools, like Rev, to work, even in the store, and that it will all continue to just be a vendetta against Flash. Let's hope so; although having made a blanket statement I don't quite see how Apple will get out of part of it without having to rescind all of it. The whole thing looks as crude as gang warfare between Apple and Adobe; but, as in all cases of gang warfare, others get injured by flying glass and so on. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
I guess someone else agrees with Apple: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/173519,microsoft-announces-ie9-w ill-not-support-flash.aspx I could be wrong, but I believe several sites are quoting this link: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/04/29/html5-video.aspx I don't think he is saying Flash won't work in IE 9, only that H.264 is the only native video format that will run. Did IE 9 drop the IE 8 plugin architecture? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is rev Oracle support just a joke?
On May 1, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Sakari Ruoho wrote: I still see that the RunRev website advertises that it works with Oracle. Last time I checked this was far from the thruth. Is this still the case? What version of Rev do you have? Integrated support for Oracle database connectivity is only available in Rev Enterprise. See: http://www.runrev.com/products/the-rev-platform/editions-comparison/ Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] MicroSheep follow a bad Apple
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/30/microsoft-looks-to-a-future-of-h-2 64-based-html5-for-web-video-content/ Not really. By saying that only H.264 is support, they mean that they are not going to directly support other HTML5 video formats, such as Ogg Vorbis ones. Flash video, On2VP6, was never due to be supported. You will still be able to play both On2VP6 and H.264 by using Flash, as you can now. Im glad to see someone else went back to read the source, Colin :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AW: How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path?
Bon soir Thierry, your proposal seems to be half the way. Doing it your way, ditto creates a folder as the output, containing the app and the file within the app is still locked. That looks good, beside the output is a normal folder and isn't a zip file anymore. Using the parameter Ditto -c - k -rsrcFork the output is a zip file, but the locked flag of my file within the app is gone. It seems I don't understand ditto and it's handling of files, folders and bundles. Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Thierry D. Gesendet: Samstag, 1. Mai 2010 15:46 An: How to use Revolution Betreff: Re: How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path? Le 1 mai 2010 à 14:50, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit : Hello, since I don't find a way how to preserve the lock status of a file, Hi Tiemo, This command did work for me on Snow Leopard : ditto -v -rsrcFork /source /destination I could keep all hidden and immutable flags ! HTH Regards, Thierry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] MicroSheep follow a bad Apple
If Messrs Jobs and Gates (et al) really cared about open standards for the internet and so on, they would not be restricting Flash or code-bases; quite the opposite; they would be falling over each other to implement support for absolutely everything - whether proprietary (such as Flash) or open (such as Ogg Vorbis). While buying a computer or an operating system is a fairly free choice, there is only one internet. However, knowing that Apple and Microsoft are what they are I shall make sure that my website continues to be fairly basic (no moving parts to start with) so that it is in with a chance of being seen by the maximum number of people from their machine, OS and browser of choice. It seem that by investing in expensive proprietary software to spice up our websites with wiggly bits that in the long run we are only shooting ourselves in the foot. My recipe is cheap, effective and cheerful: GIMP + KompoZer http://www.gimp.org/ http://www.kompozer.net/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On 1 May 2010, at 08:55, Peter Alcibiades wrote: HTML5 is not open. Its a different flavor of proprietary, by the way. H264 is proprietary. H264 is proprietary, but h264 is NOT part of HTML5. HTML5 just specifies a video tag without specifying the type of video. HTML5 is no more proprietary than previous versions of HTML. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On 01/05/2010 19:24, Ian Wood wrote: On 1 May 2010, at 08:55, Peter Alcibiades wrote: HTML5 is not open. Its a different flavor of proprietary, by the way. H264 is proprietary. H264 is proprietary, but h264 is NOT part of HTML5. HTML5 just specifies a video tag without specifying the type of video. HTML5 is no more proprietary than previous versions of HTML. Maybe I'm being a bit stupid, but it does seem as if the word 'open' as used in phrases such as 'open source' and 'open standards' is a bit hard to pin down; what is one person's open-ness seems to be a bit closed to another person and vice-versa. Also; for the sake of argument: I offered to Ubuntu, a few years back, Linux builds of a couple of Phonetics programs I had cobbled together (and at that time my level of skill was such that they were literally 'cobbled') with RunRev 2.0.1. Ubuntu refused them on the basis that I had made them using non-open source code (which annoyed me). Now how far back does one push things? Is there such a thing as really 'open' code? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
Here's a thought for Rev - put revMobile on Android. Pete Haworth ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
But what about iPad ? Le 1 mai 2010 à 19:09, Peter Haworth a écrit : Here's a thought for Rev - put revMobile on Android. Pete Haworth ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
Colin Holgate wrote: On May 1, 2010, at 10:02 AM, René Micout wrote: I think it is possible to create application for iPad without putting it into the App Store. While that is true, it would also break the SDK agreement. The agreement doesn't say that you can only use certain languages for Store apps, it says you can only use certain languages. Same with the interpreter, you can't make things with an interpretive layer. No mention of whether it's intended for the App Store or not. Now, it is unlikely that Apple would track you down, but if you ever mentioned the application online, Apple could revoke your iPhone developer status. Actually, according to John Sullivan of the EFF in his Ars Technica article, that would be a criminal act, implying that it if convicted one could face fines and jail time: Jobs has hit the nail on the head when describing the problems with Adobe, but not until after smashing his own thumb. Every criticism he makes of Adobe's proprietary approach applies equally to Apple, and every benefit attributed to the App Store can be had without it being a mandatory proprietary arrangement. Apple can offer quality control and editorial selection over available free software, and encourage users to exclusively—but voluntarily—use their store. Instead, Apple chooses to enforce legal restrictions, the transgression of which is punishable by criminal law, on users who want to make changes to their own computers, like installing free, non-Apple, software. http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/pot-meet-kettle-a-response-to-steve-jobs-letter-on-flash.ars Who wants to be the next Gizmodo? Go ahead, choose your own tools. But if you don't get them from the company store they'll send the Pinkertons around -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
On 01/05/2010 20:09, Peter Haworth wrote: Here's a thought for Rev - put revMobile on Android. Pete Haworth Can we? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
On 01/05/2010 20:12, Richard Gaskin wrote: Colin Holgate wrote: On May 1, 2010, at 10:02 AM, René Micout wrote: I think it is possible to create application for iPad without putting it into the App Store. While that is true, it would also break the SDK agreement. The agreement doesn't say that you can only use certain languages for Store apps, it says you can only use certain languages. Same with the interpreter, you can't make things with an interpretive layer. No mention of whether it's intended for the App Store or not. Now, it is unlikely that Apple would track you down, but if you ever mentioned the application online, Apple could revoke your iPhone developer status. Actually, according to John Sullivan of the EFF in his Ars Technica article, that would be a criminal act, implying that it if convicted one could face fines and jail time: Jobs has hit the nail on the head when describing the problems with Adobe, but not until after smashing his own thumb. Every criticism he makes of Adobe's proprietary approach applies equally to Apple, and every benefit attributed to the App Store can be had without it being a mandatory proprietary arrangement. Apple can offer quality control and editorial selection over available free software, and encourage users to exclusively—but voluntarily—use their store. Instead, Apple chooses to enforce legal restrictions, the transgression of which is punishable by criminal law, on users who want to make changes to their own computers, like installing free, non-Apple, software. http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/pot-meet-kettle-a-response-to-steve-jobs-letter-on-flash.ars Who wants to be the next Gizmodo? Go ahead, choose your own tools. But if you don't get them from the company store they'll send the Pinkertons around Bully-boys Rule, OK! This just confirms my feelings that the ONLY reason I won't abandon Mac as my 'development platform of choice' when my current Macs go 'bang' (i.e. go 100% Linux) is because RunRev for Linux still cannot do what the Mac and Windows versions can. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
Mark- Saturday, May 1, 2010, 7:29:52 AM, you wrote: Bill is making photographs now. He also published an iPhone application called PhotoCard :-) http://www.billatkinson.com/aboutPhotoCard.html Bill's also *very* involved with Numenta: http://www.numenta.com/ but when I talked with him a couple of years ago he wasn't aware of rev. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User Extensions/Externals
Graham- Friday, April 30, 2010, 10:34:00 PM, you wrote: In the first rev lesson on externals at http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/7116-How-to-safely-attach-an-external-to-your-stack, after saving the stack this statement is issued: send revert to me in 5 ticks -- the equivalent of quit then restart. When I use this under rev 4.0.0 on Mac OS X 10.6.3, it causes the card to go into strobe mode. Any explanations?___ Try looking in the externals instead of the externalPackages. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
don't you guys get it? Adobe is the biggest creep in techdom. Do you remember how they screwed apple over post script? They are the patent hogs who have stymied computational evolution for 30 years. The only company worse then them was micromedia and adobe acquired flash by buying them outright. Apple and microsoft aren't against flash! They are pressuring adobe to lighten up on the use agreements. Maybe something so core as graphics description shouldn't be proprietary? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] Control tRev's Browser default action via Magic Menus
I'd love to use it. However, Jerry does not make a version for Linux, and has no intention of doing so. Meanwhile, over on Planet Python, there are lots of fabulous editors that don't crash on cut and paste. Maybe Jerry's is better than any of them, probably is. But they exist for my OS, his does not, and never will. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-Control-tRev-s-Browser-default-action-via-Magic-Menus-tp2077181p2122326.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is rev Oracle support just a joke?
Hi Devin, I got Rev Enterprise. This is an old mail chain, which I just did revive today. Some info should be available if you track back the chain. BR, Sakari Ruoho Devin Asay wrote: On May 1, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Sakari Ruoho wrote: I still see that the RunRev website advertises that it works with Oracle. Last time I checked this was far from the thruth. Is this still the case? What version of Rev do you have? Integrated support for Oracle database connectivity is only available in Rev Enterprise. See: http://www.runrev.com/products/the-rev-platform/editions-comparison/ Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: How to translate a rev path to an absolut unix path?
Le 1 mai 2010 à 17:47, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit :
Bon soir Thierry,
your proposal seems to be half the way.
Bonsoir Tiemo,
So, did check with your specs.
add a bundle folder in my dir, hide and lock a test file inside the bundle
folder
and did this :
-- create a zip file keeping all specifics macos flags
ditto -c -k --sequesterRsrc SrcFolder testditto.zip
-- check what is inside the zip file
unzip -l testditto.zip
Archive: testditto.zip
Length Date TimeName
6148 04-23-10 19:05.DS_Store
0 05-01-10 21:28__MACOSX/
82 04-23-10 19:05 __MACOSX/._.DS_Store
0 04-18-10 07:32 .localized
13 05-01-10 15:32 f1
82 05-01-10 15:32 __MACOSX/._f1
15 05-01-10 15:32 f2
0 05-01-10 21:10tdzx.bundle/
0 04-27-10 11:22 tdzx.bundle/Contents/
1225 04-27-10 11:26 tdzx.bundle/Contents/Info.plist
0 04-29-10 09:17tdzx.bundle/Contents/MacOS/
216920 04-29-10 09:17 tdzx.bundle/Contents/MacOS/tdzimgdatafilter
0 04-27-10 11:22 tdzx.bundle/Contents/Resources/
0 04-27-10 11:22 tdzx.bundle/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/
92 04-27-10 11:22
tdzx.bundle/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/InfoPlist.strings
13 05-01-10 21:10 tdzx.bundle/test
0 05-01-10 21:28__MACOSX/tdzx.bundle/
82 05-01-10 21:10 __MACOSX/tdzx.bundle/._test
-- You can see these __MACOSX/ files. they store the flags values.
ditto -x -k testditto.zip Z
Done !
Tres belles fetes du muguet :)
Thierry
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Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
On 01/05/2010 22:23, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: don't you guys get it? Adobe is the biggest creep in techdom. Do you remember how they screwed apple over post script? They are the patent hogs who have stymied computational evolution for 30 years. The only company worse then them was micromedia and adobe acquired flash by buying them outright. Apple and microsoft aren't against flash! They are pressuring adobe to lighten up on the use agreements. Maybe something so core as graphics description shouldn't be proprietary? ___ Nonsense: there is nothing to choose between Apple, Microsoft and Adobe; and Macromedia wasn't any better, but for companies to survive they have to eat smaller ones. While simple Darwinian theory may not make all that much sense for explaining biology it seems pretty good for describing certain aspects of corporate behaviour. All these companies remind me of Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia: sign a treaty of 'eternal friendship' for as long as it serves your needs and then turn around and kill each other's foot soldiers when the wind blows the other way. The ones who really fuss me are characters like Mark Shuttleworth, who looks, on the surface, a bit too good to be true. How long is it until he makes his move? --- Maybe something so core as graphics description shouldn't be proprietary? Well, err, yes . . . but who did the donkey work and shouldn't they get some sort of reward for their labours? --- Maybe something so core as graphics description shouldn't be proprietary? Yup; maybe everything should be FREE and we can all run around wreathed in garlands of pansies singing paeons of praise to the mysterious forces that labour without a thought in their pretty little heads about their own needs. -- Patent hogs . . . oink! I wonder if the hard working folk who are employed by Adobe to do all the marvellous things they have done would have done any of that work if, by not having legal protection for the end products of their labours, Adobe would have been unable to pay them a living wage because every person with some sort of knowledge of programming would have been churning out 'Fotoshop', 'Photoboutique', 'Snapshop' and so forth based on pinched ideas. I am a great believer in Open Source software, but I am also well aware that in almost all cases a proprietary bit of stuff came first. Without Photoshop we would have no GIMP, Without Illustrator we would have no Inkscape, Without Microsoft Office we would have no Open Office, and so on. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RevStore
There has been a number of threads about Apple and revMobile that really tempted be to go trolling and flaming... I have let some time pass, and I think it is time to reverse the question and forget about Steve Jobs. The topic is: one of the reasons of the success of the iPhone is the AppStore. Here, law abiding developers can find a place to market their product. If the software is free, the developer is not charged for anything; if it is not, Apple takes 30%, if I recall correctly. For that amount, Apple takes cares of credit card handling, manages the currency exchange rates for you, pays relevant taxes like VAT, etc... Now let us forget about the iPhone and concentrate on the App Store. What does RunRev do to promote, distribute and sell software that has been developed with revolution? I mean the traditional stuff: desktop applications. The answer: nothing (as far as I know). And its stupid. Because the best way to promote a development environment is to promote/ sell the apps that have been coded with it. I am waiting to see a revStore. With everything on it. This way John Doe (not to mention Steve Jobs) will be able to judge if apps developed with revolution can be great, inspiring, or if it's all crap. An the more apps there will be, the better it will be for everybody. Heather, I put you on copy as I think you are the best person in the rev team to ponder on that. Best regards François ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Semantics
Speed and standards. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361444,00.asp All the 'stuff' that we have been chewing over re Steve Jobs, Apple, Adobe and, now Internet Explorer 9, come down to Speed and standards. The question is not really about Apple's, Adobe's or Microsoft's motivation (their motivation is to compete with each other and make money); it is about who defines what constitutes 'speed' and who should define 'standards' and how to force the maximum of people to adopt those 'standards' so that is what they become by /force majeur /even if for no other reason. We, as supporters of RunRev ought to be worrying about how to help, urge, kick RunRev to get their 'standards' adopted by more people; because if we don't, and Runrev doesn't, we will all wake up one day to find that we and RunRev have become either 'substandard' or 'nonstandard', at which point we can either adapt or pop along to the local main road with a will work for food notice; neither of which exactly thrill my gorilla. Apparently Runrev's chances on the iPhone and the iPad have just got trampled on in Steve Jobs' elephantine squishing of Adobe; now maybe just the time to start pushing the mobile platform capabilities of RunRev like Billy-Oh so that there is a chance that when/if Apple caves into pressure with some sort of compromise (that excludes Adobe Flash) RunRev is one of those who get a backdoor pass to rejoin the party. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: iPhone?
Richmond asked Can we?: On 01/05/2010 20:09, Peter Haworth wrote: Here's a thought for Rev - put revMobile on Android. Pete Haworth Can we? Yes, we can (someday, maybe). Rev's FAQ used to say not at this time, but we will keep an eye on it. Now, it says We do intend to support Android but it will not be available in version 1.0 of revMobile.. http://www.runrev.com/products/revmobile/revmobile-faq/ ~Roger Eller ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevStore
François Chaplais wrote: What does RunRev do to promote, distribute and sell software that has been developed with revolution? I mean the traditional stuff: desktop applications. The answer: nothing (as far as I know). What are RevOnline and RevSelect? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User Extensions/Externals
Graham Heather Harrison wrote: In the first rev lesson on externals at http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/7116-How-to-safely-attach-an-external-to-your-stack, after saving the stack this statement is issued: send revert to me in 5 ticks -- the equivalent of quit then restart. When I use this under rev 4.0.0 on Mac OS X 10.6.3, it causes the card to go into strobe mode. Any explanations? Sounds like some kind of script loop. Try omitting the revert command. Just close your stack (removing from memory,) go back to the Finder, and re-open it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevStore
Le 1 mai 2010 à 23:24, Richard Gaskin a écrit : François Chaplais wrote: What does RunRev do to promote, distribute and sell software that has been developed with revolution? I mean the traditional stuff: desktop applications. The answer: nothing (as far as I know). What are RevOnline and RevSelect? -- RevOnline (the one I know from studio) requires revolution and has a crappy interface. Plus you cannot do business there. http://revonline2.runrev.com/ : just have a look at the top downloads and the the screen shot: it's ugly. Plus it does not sell. I assume revselect is http://www.runrev.com/products/related-software/ 15 apps: ha! Is that all? The revstore should be accessible directly from the store tab of the runrev site. At this time, unless you *know* that the pages for revonline and revselect exist, there is no chance to find them. The truth is that runrev does not help the promotion of its customers'apps. The result is that it gives the impression that it his a second class development tool. I have never been aggressive towards runrev, I have a 5 year mac renewal Studio license, a 5 year renewal revmobile license. I do not like saying what I said about runrev. But if were a newbie to runrev, I would say yechh when looking at the two previously mentioned pages, provide I can find them. An thanks for the feedback, Richard. Best regards François ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] Semantics
Standards only work to the extent that they apply protocol at the most effective strata in the stack. When adobe restricts graphics protocol that should live down near the lower reaches of the OS or below, to above the application level, they create an unstable and ultimately untenable imbalance in the stack that only serves to put the breaks on innovation and forward looking change. In any evolving system, progress towards optimization must supersede temporary success. Unstable awkward architectures act as dams that prevent natural flow. Only putrification and stagnation will result. And the dam will eventually burst as it is digested by its own content or overwhelmed by less artificially restrained flows that have found their own way towards progress despite the unnatural abomination in their way. Standards and optimal hierarchical placement thereof. Nothing else succeeds in the long run. Is rev or any xtalk solution really the future? The future belongs to those who optimize the stack. Adobe has a better mix of language and graphics than anyone else. That is why apple and microsoft are focusing their angst at adobe. If adobe didn't hold the ball, there would be no reason for such big players to throw such a tantrum... they would just join together and create their own protocol. The idea that rev should go its own and build towards less awkward standards is simply laughable. Rev is the poster boy for companies that hang on the coat tails of the work of others. Bottom feeders. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it isn't where you would go looking for red hot trail blazing innovation and standards. Hilarious. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevStore
RevSelect is really about add-ons to Rev. I considered opening a stack store and ran the business case. A lot of work and sizable risk. Still can't get it out of my head,tho. I would be as dictatorial as Steve Jobs, probably. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 1, 2010, at 5:09 PM, François Chaplais francois.chapl...@mines-paristech.fr wrote: Le 1 mai 2010 à 23:24, Richard Gaskin a écrit : François Chaplais wrote: What does RunRev do to promote, distribute and sell software that has been developed with revolution? I mean the traditional stuff: desktop applications. The answer: nothing (as far as I know). What are RevOnline and RevSelect? -- RevOnline (the one I know from studio) requires revolution and has a crappy interface. Plus you cannot do business there. http://revonline2.runrev.com/ : just have a look at the top downloads and the the screen shot: it's ugly. Plus it does not sell. I assume revselect is http://www.runrev.com/products/related-software/ 15 apps: ha! Is that all? The revstore should be accessible directly from the store tab of the runrev site. At this time, unless you *know* that the pages for revonline and revselect exist, there is no chance to find them. The truth is that runrev does not help the promotion of its customers'apps. The result is that it gives the impression that it his a second class development tool. I have never been aggressive towards runrev, I have a 5 year mac renewal Studio license, a 5 year renewal revmobile license. I do not like saying what I said about runrev. But if were a newbie to runrev, I would say yechh when looking at the two previously mentioned pages, provide I can find them. An thanks for the feedback, Richard. Best regards François ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Semantics
Harsh. Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 1, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Randall Lee Reetz rand...@randallreetz.com wrote: Standards only work to the extent that they apply protocol at the most effective strata in the stack. When adobe restricts graphics protocol that should live down near the lower reaches of the OS or below, to above the application level, they create an unstable and ultimately untenable imbalance in the stack that only serves to put the breaks on innovation and forward looking change. In any evolving system, progress towards optimization must supersede temporary success. Unstable awkward architectures act as dams that prevent natural flow. Only putrification and stagnation will result. And the dam will eventually burst as it is digested by its own content or overwhelmed by less artificially restrained flows that have found their own way towards progress despite the unnatural abomination in their way. Standards and optimal hierarchical placement thereof. Nothing else succeeds in the long run. Is rev or any xtalk solution really the future? The future belongs to those who optimize the stack. Adobe has a better mix of language and graphics than anyone else. That is why apple and microsoft are focusing their angst at adobe. If adobe didn't hold the ball, there would be no reason for such big players to throw such a tantrum... they would just join together and create their own protocol. The idea that rev should go its own and build towards less awkward standards is simply laughable. Rev is the poster boy for companies that hang on the coat tails of the work of others. Bottom feeders. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it isn't where you would go looking for red hot trail blazing innovation and standards. Hilarious. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
To look at photshop or illustrator as chronos as perfect form in their categories is like looking to some awkward plated dinosaur as pattern for the future of land animals. If the target of open source is restricted to the application layer we should expect nothing more than crippled duplicates of 20 year old ideas. And from this you push innovation? I have yet to hear an open source advocate talk to the evolution of technology. It is largely an ayn rand anarchist after school club for all white mall arcade raised nerds lacking in any real vision. That said, adobe kicks itself in the same profit seeking foot when it can't imaging a more profitable means of leveraging its IP than a suite of software in boxes and a hyper-aggressive junk yard dog approach to market access. Profit seeking isn't the devil... Stupid profit seeking is. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevStore
François Chaplais wrote: RevOnline (the one I know from studio) requires revolution and has a crappy interface. Plus you cannot do business there. http://revonline2.runrev.com/ : just have a look at the top downloads and the the screen shot: it's ugly. Plus it does not sell. I assume revselect is http://www.runrev.com/products/related-software/ 15 apps: ha! Is that all? The number of products in RevSelect isn't a RunRev problem; that's a developer problem. Like that AppStore, that's where developer sell their wares, so if you want to see more there write some. :) Ugly can be fixed, and since the RevSelect stuff is already sold through their store, linking it from the front page of the store is a two-minute job for someone there. Have you considered writing RunRev with your suggestions? I agree they're useful ones. When people look at a tool like Rev they want to see there's a sizable afternarket as an indicator of viability. So it benefits RunRev more than anyone else to improve the presentation of third-party offerings all over their site. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Webinar Client (like Dim-Dim) | ITunes Alternative (like Song Bird)
Hi Scott, Scott Rossi wrote: I've built many music and video players over the years with RunRev. The one major limitation you will find is that media support will be limited to those media that are supported by Apple's QuickTime (and QT must be installed on the user's system). [snip] Have you build a FLV and MP3 player using Flash plugin running inside a revBrowser window? Just curious to know if this combination works as smooth as Quicktime players. Have a nice weekend! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Webinar-Client-like-Dim-Dim-ITunes-Alternative-like-Song-Bird-tp2077383p2122432.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Ink Settings and Printing
I'm trying to print a card with a jpeg image on it and have noticed that when I set the Ink to anything other than the standard srcCopy that the image quality suffers noticeably. I think I tired every setting that allows underlaying objects to show through the white bounding box of my jpeg - which is what I need. Has anyone else tried something like this? I've tried this also with png images and gif images as well- all seems to suffer when set to (for example) blendMultiply. Thanks for any input, Marty Knapp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: logistic example of Runrev Revolution?
Hi Shani, Shani-2 wrote: Hi, thanks for your reply. You are welcome! :-) Shani-2 wrote: I am talking about trucks, fields, plants. Simulation. Trucks bids to the field or plant and go for loading, etc. A simulation like Harvest Moon or FarmVille? No, i have not seen anything like this, but in this platform, Runrev, there is a game named Gladiator Trials. The game's creator posted the source code on the Rev forums. Please, visit the forum and look for the keywords Gladiator Trials and you could find the stack file. Maybe someone could point you directly to the message where he posted his stack. To create an agriculture simulation in Rev, you will need many sprites. If you are not going to draw them, collect from the web and start experimenting. Download too these stacks that could be useful: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/walkingman_Rossi.zip http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/walkingman_2.zip and a revlet to run in your browser: http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test03.html Have a nice weekend! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/logistic-example-of-Runrev-Revolution-tp2074975p2122444.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[Demo] The Slug's Data Grid Library is on the road
Hi all, As soon as I have started to study seriously the Data Grid object, I fallen in love for it. Again, a big thanks to Trevor to have built this powerful object! The last week, I have found time to really work on it in my Lab. I started to try different things, and step by step I built a sort of library. This is the list of the features I have implemented in this library: - add / delete / duplicate rows. - import / export in CSV or XML. - mark / unmark lines. - search in Data Grid columns with operators : is, is not, begins with, not begins with, ends with, not ends with, contains, not contains, =, , =, , =, - select lines after a search in the Data Grid. - populate a Data Grid Table with another Data Grid Table by selecting lines in the first datagrid. Only same columns names are copied. Order of columns can be redefined. - populate a Data Grid Form with a Data Grid Table. - create a datatree (a node and a child level). Nodes and childs are rows of the Data Grid. I'm not sure what I'm going to do exactly with this library. For the moment I still working on it and I have a lot of features to implement. Can I have your feedback and impression on it, please? 8-) I created a dictionary and demo stack. You can tried it. Just open your Rev's msg box and copy paste this line. go to url http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc/demo/DG_Lib_Demo-Dictionary.rev; For the moment, I only put some brief descriptions of functions written. The demos should be more talking. Thanks a lot for testing ;) Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
User Extensions/Externals
Mark Wieder wrote: Try looking in the externals instead of the externalPackages. It wasn't me looking in the externalPackages, Guv. Honest to God. Never went near 'em. Swelp me. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Also, adobe isn't doing any of its code donkeys any favors when it under exploits the market through old world protectionist business practices and an avoidance of future looking technology. As with retirement pools, an entity will never be able to sustain old obligations on the profits of old ideas. New ideas and new levels of profitability are the only way to pay the obligations owed to the inventors for efforts towards past innovations. If adobe really wants to profit from its own past it will have to figure out how to generalive and subsume the salient aspects of its IP to a layer new products and markets can build on top of. Holding on to software application markets born 20 years ago is a strategy born to fail. I think IBM Is a good lesson on how a company needs to think about maturing. Don't push your past solutions, push the human resources and resource management and infrastructure knowhow that your old product successes make evident. Sell the ability to make solutions, not solutions themselves. Give away the source as a way to market the minds. More money will flow in. Stock holders (the original innovators) will benefit more than thy would through draconian measures to extend the natural life of a product category. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ink Settings and Printing
Marty Knapp wrote: I'm trying to print a card with a jpeg image on it and have noticed that when I set the Ink to anything other than the standard srcCopy that the image quality suffers noticeably. I think I tired every setting that allows underlaying objects to show through the white bounding box of my jpeg - which is what I need. Has anyone else tried something like this? I've tried this also with png images and gif images as well- all seems to suffer when set to (for example) blendMultiply. If I remember the change notes right, you bascially get a screen shot if there are blended inks on the image. The engine can't render those. Wish I could remember which set of notes to point you to, it was somewhere around when the revised image capabilities kicked in. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: User Extensions/Externals
Graham- Saturday, May 1, 2010, 5:03:01 PM, you wrote: Mark Wieder wrote: Try looking in the externals instead of the externalPackages. It wasn't me looking in the externalPackages, Guv. Honest to God. Never went near 'em. Swelp me. Hmmm. You sure we're looking at the same lesson? -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevStore
Richard Gaskin wrote: When people look at a tool like Rev they want to see there's a sizable afternarket as an indicator of viability. So it benefits RunRev more than anyone else to improve the presentation of third-party offerings all over their site. But with caution. I'm in favor of keeping it out of the spotlight until there are many more apps available, hundreds hopefully. A few meager offerings is not inspiring. And they have to be quality offerings. As someone who had to review and release hundreds of HC stacks to the AOL libraries, I know that 99% of what came in was pure crap. Because HC was so accessible, everyone thought they were a developer. Avoidance of even the suggestion of a HIG was the norm. Radio buttons used as checkboxes or pushbuttons (because I like how they look,) menus missing or out of order (I don't need an Edit menu,) known commercial app icons (MacWrite) used for private stack purposes (go cd images,) you name it. Virtually everything about these stacks was wrong. Outsiders scoffed. Rightfully. And then there were the kids. I wavered between disgust and delight. Their stacks were invariably flip card animations done with crude line drawings, generally on topics humorous to nine year olds. Kill Barney was very popular, we had probably a dozen of those, not counting the rejected ones. The weapon of choice varied from guns (all models) to swords and knives; one stick man farted old Barney to death. We had to make a separate library for these and tag them with editorial code words like simple line drawings so that everyone else would know not to download them. This lack of professionalism in HC stacks was one of the reasons it was rarely regarded as a serious tool, and it gave HC a bad name generally. The number of really good stacks was pretty small. Unfair as it is, the quality of the output often reflects on the tools used rather than the authors. If there is ever a Rev app store, it needs to have lots of files, all of which pass a certain standard of professionalism. That means someone has to check and verify every submission, which would open a whole other can of worms. I confess though, in retrospect I really do wish I'd saved a copy of Man Gets Beheaded By a Ceiling Fan. You had to be there. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ink Settings and Printing
I was afraid of that. Oh well - thanks for letting me know. Marty Marty Knapp wrote: I'm trying to print a card with a jpeg image on it and have noticed that when I set the Ink to anything other than the standard srcCopy that the image quality suffers noticeably. I think I tired every setting that allows underlaying objects to show through the white bounding box of my jpeg - which is what I need. Has anyone else tried something like this? I've tried this also with png images and gif images as well- all seems to suffer when set to (for example) blendMultiply. If I remember the change notes right, you bascially get a screen shot if there are blended inks on the image. The engine can't render those. Wish I could remember which set of notes to point you to, it was somewhere around when the revised image capabilities kicked in. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevStore
My boys made games like that when they were younger! lol - that brings back some funny memories. Marty I confess though, in retrospect I really do wish I'd saved a copy of Man Gets Beheaded By a Ceiling Fan. You had to be there. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
An Erlang IDE and interactive shell
I'm not sure if anyone else here also happens to program in Erlang, but it's something I do quite often and I really hate that there's no real good IDE for it. Anyway, last weekend I decided to put one together in Rev... just something simple that had syntax highlighting and would allow me to interact with the Erlang shell like a simple REPL, but from the editor: http://massj.on-rev.com/im/Erlang_IDE.png Current feature set: * Scratchpad mode where nothing is saved * Syntax highlighting (as you type) * Tabbed editor let's you edit many files at once * Compile modules directly to a running Erlang shell * Send any line of code in the editor directly to the REPL * Errors from the shell are captured and turn into links to the source files * See a list of all running, named processes If no one here programs Erlang, well, just know that this was another shining point for Rev... an entire editor in a weekend, communicating with another programming language's REPL shell. But, should someone here be interested in trying it out to help offer some wishlist items, etc, please feel free to email me and let me know your operating system and I'll send you a compiled version to test. Cheers, Jeff M. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: An Erlang IDE and interactive shell
VERY cool! Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch On May 1, 2010, at 9:56 PM, Jeff Massung mass...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure if anyone else here also happens to program in Erlang, but it's something I do quite often and I really hate that there's no real good IDE for it. Anyway, last weekend I decided to put one together in Rev... just something simple that had syntax highlighting and would allow me to interact with the Erlang shell like a simple REPL, but from the editor: http://massj.on-rev.com/im/Erlang_IDE.png Current feature set: * Scratchpad mode where nothing is saved * Syntax highlighting (as you type) * Tabbed editor let's you edit many files at once * Compile modules directly to a running Erlang shell * Send any line of code in the editor directly to the REPL * Errors from the shell are captured and turn into links to the source files * See a list of all running, named processes If no one here programs Erlang, well, just know that this was another shining point for Rev... an entire editor in a weekend, communicating with another programming language's REPL shell. But, should someone here be interested in trying it out to help offer some wishlist items, etc, please feel free to email me and let me know your operating system and I'll send you a compiled version to test. Cheers, Jeff M. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
User Extensions/Externals
Jacque and Mark (W) I started with the lesson I quoted but sort of diverged and only had a small section of the code. By the time I posted the question on revert I was more interested in just that, than the full externals bit. Jacque: I was wondering in the back of my mind how rev could process my code without looping, without twigging that it was looping - Doh. So you were right on with the diagnosis. The cure is not so much trying a different approach but getting the current one right. Mark: When I answered your message I had forgotten the original code had the test for externalPackages. When I put that together with Jacque's point the penny dropped. However, since then I have tested the existence of both externals and externalPackages and it doesn't seem to matter which. Finally (for now), this problem is solved but I have not solved this approach to externals recognition. I may be back.___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue
Great short article that I believe accurately describes the corporate culture behind Apple's platform lock down. Mark Bernstein: Platform Control http://www.markbernstein.org/Apr10/PlatformControl.html (via Instapaper) Best, Jerry Daniels Use tRev's buy link during your free trial to get 20% off: http://reveditor.com/tag/shouldiswitch ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
