RevSudio on sale for $50

[François Chaplais]

see
http://www.themacsale.com/
spread the word!

Best, 
François

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Re: dragDrop an image into a graphic rectangle

[Mark Wieder]

Gabel-

Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 8:43:10 PM, you wrote:

> Hello everyone:

> I need a little help on a script. I can dragDrop an image from
> the desktop into a field (the field containing a script like the one
> below), but I'd like to drag the image into a graphic rectangle,
> which is not handled automatically.

See if this helps...

http://lessons.runrev.com/buckets/784/lessons/7124

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Re: HyperCard was huge in its day, Jobs said

[Colin Holgate]

Unfortunately, Steve was making the point that Flash being big doesn't prove 
that it will live forever, after all, look at HyperCard. The blog I followed 
reported that the crowd laughed at his HyperCard comment.

He also seems to be making the mistake that a lot of people have, thinking that 
Flash is only used for video, and that if Flash dropped to 50% of use for 
playing video, that means that all Flash usage has dropped to 50%.



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HyperCard was huge in its day, Jobs said

[Richard K. Herz]

Blog report on interview of Steve Jobs at D: All Things Digital, June 1, 
2010

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20006442-56.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1

at 6:31 in blog:
HyperCard was huge in its day, Jobs said.. Jobs suggests it was bigger 
than Flash.


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dragDrop an image into a graphic rectangle

[Gabel Paul]

Hello everyone:

I need a little help on a script. I can dragDrop an image from the desktop into 
a field (the field containing a script like the one below), but I'd like to 
drag the image into a graphic rectangle, which is not handled automatically. 
The Dictionary says:

"To accept drops to a locked field or a control other than a field, handle the 
dragDrop message, using the dragData property to determine what data is being 
dragged. For these objects, your dragDrop handler must get the dragged data and 
put it into the object (or perform whatever action you want to do on a drop); 
the behavior is not automated as it is for unlocked fields."

I underlined the part that's giving me trouble. I'm not sure how to go about 
it. Can anyone give me an example script for that part of the handler?

on dragDrop
   put the dragData["files"] into theFilePath
   import paint from file theFilePath
   set the name of the last image to "New Image"
   -- ?
end dragDrop

Thanks, Paul Gabel


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Re: never ending scroll?

[Nicolas Cueto]

Bernd,

Wow!

Thank you so much.

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DataGrid Headers not showing.

[Andrew Kluthe]

I recently redid the multiple datagrids that I have across several cards into
one datagrid placed as a background. All of a sudden the datagrid headers
disappear randomly. It happens when changing from card to card. I can get
them back if I select the datagrid and push the Refresh Data Grid Button in
the Property Inspector. 

Is there a way to prevent this from happening or a way to script the refresh
of the datagrid on preOpenCard?
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Re: inconsistent field appearance

[Nicolas Cueto]

Terry,

Won't have a chance to test your function right away but, it looks
very promising.

Thank you!

Others have said it before. Without the generosity and patience of
members here, Rev just wouldn't be what it is.

Three cheers for the list!

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Single Record Updates Only???

[Mark Stuart]

on Fri May 28 18:45:35 CDT 2010, Bob Sneidar wrote: 
>>
If so, I am wondering if this is something that can be addressed in a future
update, or if there is perhaps another way of doing this.
<<

Hi Bob,
Have you considered mySQL Stored Procedures to do what you want? It is
possible.
Here's a link to get you started:
http://www.mysqltutorial.org/stored-procedures-parameters.aspx

Regards,
Mark Stuart

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Re: never ending scroll?

[David C.]

> I liked the idea of a scrolling field and gave it a try. I tested on Mac
> with Safari and Firefox, on Windows XP with Firexfox and Internet Explorerer
> 6. It worked. Under MacOS X 10.6.x with the scrollwheel or the trackpad the
> system gives a "iPhone" like scrolling, not with Firefox though.

That's some really nice work, Bernd!
...thanks for sharing.

Best regards,
David C.
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Re: inconsistent field appearance

[Terry Judd]

If you were prepared to set the height of the 'tramlines' dynamically then
you could use the following function to return the appropriate value based
on the true height of a visible lowercase z of the relevant font and size
(the test character must be visible as the function relies on the
mouseColor). Watch out for line wraps.

Terry...

put the formattedRect of [chunk expression for target character] into tRect
put zHeight(tRect) into tHeight
-- insert some routine to separate the 'tramlines' by tHeight

function zHeight pRect
   put the mouseLoc into tM
   put round((item 1 of pRect + item 3 of pRect)/2) into tX
   put "" into tColorData
   lock screen
   repeat with i = (item 2 of pRect) to (item 4 of pRect)
  set the screenMouseLoc to globalLoc((tX,i))
  put i&comma&mouseColor() &cr after tColorData
   end repeat
   filter tColorData with "*,0,0,0" -- black points only
   put (item 1 of line -1 of tColorData)-(item 1 of line 1 of tColorData)+2
   set the screenMouseLoc to globalLoc(tM)
   unlock screen
   return ((item 1 of line -1 of tColorData)-(item 1 of line 1 of
tColorData)+2)
end zHeight


On 2/06/10 8:10 AM, "Nicolas Cueto"  wrote:

>> How are you positioning the guidelines?
> 
> The guidelines don't get positioned each time. I positioned them once
> during initial development and that's it.
> 
> In more detail, I put the text in the field, drew the two lines, then
> manually nudged the lines until they looked in the right place, and
> finally locked their positions.
> 
> 
>> Can you use the formattedRect
>> property of an offscreen field to determine the correct positions?
> 
> Didn't know about that property. I'll try.
> 
> 
>> Could you do a spot of preliminary 'image analysis'
> 
> Thanks Terry, but that's way beyond what I'm up to.
> 
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Re: [OT] Google Drops Windows

[Bob Sneidar]

HAAH HAAH AHAHAHAH HAHA A! 

I remember when a bunch of pot smoking hippies were dreaming of a world without 
borders. They are all politicians in California and the Fed Govt now. Wonder 
how that dream is working out for them? ;-)

Bob


On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:21 AM, stephen barncard wrote:

> Another big shift:
> 
> http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/33627/Google-drops-Windows
> 
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Re: inconsistent field appearance

[Nicolas Cueto]

> How are you positioning the guidelines?

The guidelines don't get positioned each time. I positioned them once
during initial development and that's it.

In more detail, I put the text in the field, drew the two lines, then
manually nudged the lines until they looked in the right place, and
finally locked their positions.


> Can you use the formattedRect
> property of an offscreen field to determine the correct positions?

Didn't know about that property. I'll try.


> Could you do a spot of preliminary 'image analysis'

Thanks Terry, but that's way beyond what I'm up to.

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Re: inconsistent field appearance

[Terry Judd]

On 2/06/10 4:02 AM, "Scott Rossi"  wrote:

> How are you positioning the guidelines?  Can you use the formattedRect
> property of an offscreen field to determine the correct positions?

I think that would give you the same height value irrespective of the font
or case your using.

Terry...

> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
> 
> Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> 
>>> Hi Nicolas - can you provide a screengrab of how the problem manifests
>> 
>> Here are the screengrabs Terry suggested I post:
>> 
>> Vista view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIo9J
>> Vista view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIqES
>> 
>> XP view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIt90
>> XP view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIlFA
>> 
>> The first two (Vista) are what I'm expecting. I.e., the minuscules are
>> between the guide lines.
>> 
>> The second two (XP) show the problem. I.e., the letters have become
>> larger and so go over the guide lines.
>> 
>> To repeat, all the font settings are manually cleared and reset by a
>> script. And the jpgs show that both XP and Vista stack versions show
>> the correct font, albeit at the wrong size.
>> 
>> Hope that illustrates the problem.
>> 
>> --
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Re: RTF documents as templates

[Andrew Kluthe]

Tinkering with the demo version of wordLib. It seems wordLib enters it into
the field as HTMLText. This should make searching and replacing very easy,
no?  But i've noticed the formatting doesn't stay exact on the import. The
alignments are off on even the sample documents. Is there anyway to prevent
this I wonder?
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Re: [OT] Google Drops Windows

[Neal Campbell]

I would be just a tad skeptical of a story sourced by a guy that works for
Google. Based on what I know, they couldn't possibly purge all PCs out of
their shop.

BTW I heard from the mouth of the AT&T CIO that they were purging PCs
because of security concerns and going to a linux desktop, It was at a
software security meeting in DC. The next speaker was the Chief Security
Officer of Microsoft! All he could say was "Its going to get better".

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On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Alex Adams  wrote:

> Wow!
> --
> Alex Adams
>
> hawkVision ‹ tools for solving Wicked Problems
>
> (a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
> 831-726-8013
> a...@a2technology.com
> hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com
> universalConnector.wordpress.com
>
>
> > From: stephen barncard 
> > Reply-To: How to use Revolution 
> > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:21:40 -0700
> > To: How to use Revolution 
> > Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows
> >
> > Another big shift:
> >
> > http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/33627/Google-drops-Windows
> >
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> > San Francisco
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Re: [OT] Google Drops Windows

[Alex Adams]

Wow!
-- 
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hawkVision ‹ tools for solving Wicked Problems

(a)2 Technology Partners, Inc.
831-726-8013
a...@a2technology.com
hawkVisionInfo.wordpress.com
universalConnector.wordpress.com


> From: stephen barncard 
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution 
> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:21:40 -0700
> To: How to use Revolution 
> Subject: [OT] Google Drops Windows
> 
> Another big shift:
> 
> http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/33627/Google-drops-Windows
> 
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> -
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[OT] Google Drops Windows

[stephen barncard]

Another big shift:

http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/33627/Google-drops-Windows

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AW: How to launch an app invisible?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hi Jeff and Mark,

I forgot to say that the target platform is Win. I tried Jeffs approach
first without result. But because of your quick replies I started thinking
if my ghost-windows perhaps doesn't comes from my rev launcher, but from the
other (non-rev) app, I want to launch...
I think have to dig in that direction
Thank you for your replies
Tiemo

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: use-revolution-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Schonewille
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Juni 2010 19:58
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: How to launch an app invisible?
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> I found the following on the internet somewhere, I think it was the
> AppleScript newsgroup.
> 
> > - Open de application package to see its contents.
> > - open the Contents folder
> > - Open the file "info.plist" in a text editor and add the following
> > two lines inside the
> > outermost  tags:
> > NSBGOnly
> > 1
> > Example:
> > 
> > [lots o' XML, possibly including
> >  other nested  tags]
> > NSBGOnly
> > 1
> > 
> > The following two lines should also work:
> > NSUIElement
> > 1
> > but the latter solution hasn't been confirmed. If you tried it, let
> > us know.
> 
> This applies to Mac OS X only. I think (guess) that hiding the window
> suffices on Windows.
> 
> More info in the archives at http://qurl.tk/bn
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> 
> Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a
> quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html
> Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and
> share the clipboard of your computer over the local network.
> 
> On 1 jun 2010, at 19:48, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, I know this must have been asked a couple of times, but I
> > didn't got
> > the right search terms for the archives.
> >
> > I want to build a tiny launcher app to launch another app and quits
> > afterwards, without any notice for the user, so that he doesn't even
> > knows
> > of its existence.
> >
> > Technically everything is easy, beside I don't get the launcher
> > totally
> > invisible. I tried it with setting the stack property invisible.
> > Hiding the
> > stack at startup, setting the topleft to -1000,-1000 at startup,
> > getting rid
> > of every title controls, BUT whatever I try, a "window frame" (which
> > is much
> > larger as the stack size) blinks up for a moment, before the launcher
> > disappears. It's just a nice to have, but I am sure there must be an
> > easy
> > solution.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Tiemo
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Re: inconsistent field appearance

[Scott Rossi]

How are you positioning the guidelines?  Can you use the formattedRect
property of an offscreen field to determine the correct positions?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design



Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

>> Hi Nicolas - can you provide a screengrab of how the problem manifests
> 
> Here are the screengrabs Terry suggested I post:
> 
> Vista view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIo9J
> Vista view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIqES
> 
> XP view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIt90
> XP view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIlFA
> 
> The first two (Vista) are what I'm expecting. I.e., the minuscules are
> between the guide lines.
> 
> The second two (XP) show the problem. I.e., the letters have become
> larger and so go over the guide lines.
> 
> To repeat, all the font settings are manually cleared and reset by a
> script. And the jpgs show that both XP and Vista stack versions show
> the correct font, albeit at the wrong size.
> 
> Hope that illustrates the problem.
> 
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Re: How to launch an app invisible?

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Tiemo,

I found the following on the internet somewhere, I think it was the  
AppleScript newsgroup.



- Open de application package to see its contents.
- open the Contents folder
- Open the file "info.plist" in a text editor and add the following  
two lines inside the

outermost  tags:
NSBGOnly
1
Example:

[lots o' XML, possibly including
 other nested  tags]
NSBGOnly
1

The following two lines should also work:
NSUIElement
1
but the latter solution hasn't been confirmed. If you tried it, let  
us know.


This applies to Mac OS X only. I think (guess) that hiding the window  
suffices on Windows.


More info in the archives at http://qurl.tk/bn

--
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Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a  
quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html
Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and  
share the clipboard of your computer over the local network.


On 1 jun 2010, at 19:48, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

Sorry, I know this must have been asked a couple of times, but I  
didn't got

the right search terms for the archives.

I want to build a tiny launcher app to launch another app and quits
afterwards, without any notice for the user, so that he doesn't even  
knows

of its existence.

Technically everything is easy, beside I don't get the launcher  
totally
invisible. I tried it with setting the stack property invisible.  
Hiding the
stack at startup, setting the topleft to -1000,-1000 at startup,  
getting rid
of every title controls, BUT whatever I try, a "window frame" (which  
is much

larger as the stack size) blinks up for a moment, before the launcher
disappears. It's just a nice to have, but I am sure there must be an  
easy

solution.

Thank you

Tiemo


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Re: How to launch an app invisible?

[Jeff Massung]

Untested, but could you just put this in the first card of the main stack:

on preOpenStack
   if the environment is not "development" then
  hide this stack
   end if
end preOpenStack

Jeff M.
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How to launch an app invisible?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Sorry, I know this must have been asked a couple of times, but I didn't got
the right search terms for the archives.

I want to build a tiny launcher app to launch another app and quits
afterwards, without any notice for the user, so that he doesn't even knows
of its existence.

Technically everything is easy, beside I don't get the launcher totally
invisible. I tried it with setting the stack property invisible. Hiding the
stack at startup, setting the topleft to -1000,-1000 at startup, getting rid
of every title controls, BUT whatever I try, a "window frame" (which is much
larger as the stack size) blinks up for a moment, before the launcher
disappears. It's just a nice to have, but I am sure there must be an easy
solution.

Thank you

Tiemo

 

 

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RE: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video)

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Linux strikes me as an OS that hit the market too late to tip 
> the scales, and with no real incentive for new developers to 
> invest money into an OS whose reputation was "the OS where 
> you could get free stuff". I think that Open Source, while a 
> great and very successful approach in terms of community, 
> works contrary to itself in that developers do not want to 
> invest in a market where people who charge for software are 
> rather resented. 
> 
> I know I am going to get lots of responses from all the Linux 
> people. I apologize in advance. But if my opinion is worth 
> anything, I would say let Runrev focus on IDE's and engines 
> for OS'es with a demonstrable hold on existing markets. 

Linux as a "market" is still evolving - I don't think tipping works the same
way with it, and that in itself is a frustration to those who were banking
that it would. Linux absolutely has a place, and there are many ways to make
money off of it. I just think making money from Linux requires a different
sort of focus than what many are used to.

As a desktop OS, its coming along at its own pace and Ubuntu is looking
better and better. In fact, I think Android in the market will help Linux,
too, because it demonstrates that there are alternatives to Mac OS and
Windows.

Runrev cannot drop Linux without seriously damaging the promise of cross
platform development, and that would reduce overall sales.

Ive sold a lot of software over my 20 odd years in the industry. One
phenomenon I am aware of is the Mac Mirage. For example, in some markets,
you'll see a jump in the sales of Windows products if there is a Mac version
available too. The number of units of Mac product sold may be significantly
less than Windows, but there are Windows units sold BECAUSE there is Mac
version. The absense of the Mac version would reduce sales; looking at
overall sales then means the Mac version deserves more consideration than
just looking at the number of units sold.

I think if anyone is looking solely at Linux IDE (as in Rev Studio for
Linux) sales, then they would be missing the point. There are a lot of free
tools for developing on Linux, and that makes it very challenging to sell
IDEs on Linux. A different sort of sales model could be built around a
RevServer/On-Rev.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
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http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 

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Re: Cross-Platform Fonts

[J. Landman Gay]

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

Thanks Jacqueline,


I have some notes about it here:






All you ever wanted to know about Cross-Platform
"Fonts", but were afraid to ask !


:) But like I said, it's out of date. The info is just a collection of 
things previously mentioned on the list here, so if anyone has newer 
info about more modern OS font implementations, I'll add it to the document.


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Re: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video)

[J. Landman Gay]

Bob Sneidar wrote:


Let's face it, Revolution is an odd duck. It really is. A most
amazing, magical, useful and inspiring duck, but still odd.


Ugly ducklings are really swans.

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Re: RTF documents as templates

[Peter Haworth]

I've been trying to figure out how to use an RTF document as a  
template using pretty much this same methodology.  The problem I ran  
into is that sometimes, for reasons I don;t understand,  the token  
names I put into the document get interspersed with RTF commands, so  
something that looks like "[myToken]" when displayed in Word ends up  
looking like "[mytoken]".  That stops my search for  
tokens dead in it's tracks.


Another method I've tried is to set up a Word document with merge  
fields in it and have my application write out a comma delimited file  
that is the source for the merge data.  That works well if you have a  
predictable number of lines you want to print, not so good for  
variable number of lines.


Right now, I've settled on writing out html code from templates that  
are defined within my Application.  I have some conventions to deal  
with "repeating lines".  For example, if I was printing an invoice,  
I'd define one html line in the format of an invoice line and its  
definition would include a code that tells me I need to repeat that  
line for each invoice line I'm printing.  That works quite well  
although so far I haven't figured out how to deal with printing a  
heading at the top of each page.


I guess I should break down and spend some money on a real report  
writer, especially since all my data is stored in an sqlite database  
but it's a fun challenge to figure this stuff out sometimes!


Pete Haworth

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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:38:10 +0200
From: Robert Brenstein 
Subject: Re: RTF documents as templates
To: How to use Revolution 
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"

On 31.05.10 at 10:50 -0700 JosepM apparently wrote:
Nop. My solution was store the entire document and search and  
replace before
to build the document, and then out as PDF using Quartam PDF  
Library and

Quartam Reports, but also you can print from a card.



If you need to just print, producing PDF files might be a way to go.
Using RTF works as well. I used RTF documents as templates to produce
Word docs. Basically, I created a full blown, properly formatted Word
doc as template, then replaced variable elements with tokens, in my
case things like [title], [description]. Rev stack read RTF directly
into a variable and replaced the tokens, then saved new file. One
needs to use RTF commands for marking new paragraphs, styles, and
code non-English characters. I even used to produce Word table with
varying numbers of rows by marking a repeating code for row in RTF
and replicating it as many times as needed. Some sleuthing required,
though, to decipher blocks in RTF.

Robert


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Cross-Platform Fonts

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

Thanks Jacqueline,


I have some notes about it here:






All you ever wanted to know about Cross-Platform
"Fonts", but were afraid to ask !

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"


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Re: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video)

[Bob Sneidar]

I get the impression that Jerry likes the built in editor just fine the way it 
is. ;-)

Let's face it, Revolution is an odd duck. It really is. A most amazing, 
magical, useful and inspiring duck, but still odd. What other paradigm in the 
software development world is like Revolution? It's BECAUSE it's not Java or 
C++ or ObjectiveC or even Pascual that I can use it. But some of it's edges are 
unpolished. Still, it's come a long way from where it was when I first got 
ahold of it, and one of the reasons I pony up each year, and recently for 5 
years in advance, is because I see it as an investment. So long as revolution 
thrives and continues to become even just a little bit better, I will be a 
happy camper. 

I can actually write useful apps with this thing!! Given my lack of patience, 
and the time needed to write a really professional looking app, Revolution 
feels like it was made just for me. I don't mind then a few feathers out of 
place here and there, especially since others like Jerry and Trevor and so many 
others that don't get as much credit as they deserve, are doing a bit of 
preening on our beloved duck. I rather like the whole crazy odd little setup we 
have going here. 

Bob


On Jun 1, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> I would rather have 'chosen' to use tRev because of its great features (of 
> which it has many, many great features), than having 'had' to use it because 
> the internal editor just doesn't work well enough for professional 
> development. I think Peter's inclusion of the Editor points to a real problem 
> and to the impressions that he points out. 

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Re: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video)

[Bob Sneidar]

The word "bootstrap" comes to mind. Microsoft tipped because they got into the 
market at it's infancy and lots of investors were inspired and saw an 
opportunity for returns on their investments. Later the Macintosh OS was able 
to tip because they were a unique way of going at the computer experience that 
promised, again, new markets for people heretofore unwilling or incapable of 
grasping computer interfaces. And also they shipped several usable apps bundled 
with the device to get them going, until other developers got up to speed. 

Linux strikes me as an OS that hit the market too late to tip the scales, and 
with no real incentive for new developers to invest money into an OS whose 
reputation was "the OS where you could get free stuff". I think that Open 
Source, while a great and very successful approach in terms of community, works 
contrary to itself in that developers do not want to invest in a market where 
people who charge for software are rather resented. 

I know I am going to get lots of responses from all the Linux people. I 
apologize in advance. But if my opinion is worth anything, I would say let 
Runrev focus on IDE's and engines for OS'es with a demonstrable hold on 
existing markets. 

Bob


On May 31, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Currently, Linux is at the pre-tipping-point stage characterized by this 
> catch-22 as a key contributing factor:  end-users want more apps on Linux 
> before they switch, and developers want to see more end-users on Linux before 
> they deploy.

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Re: Create mySQL database structure from Rev

[Bob Sneidar]

This is exactly what I am working on, more for importing a foreign database 
that backing up, but it could be used for both. Unfortunately I am in the early 
alpha stages, so I don't have much to offer you, except that I have a card 
where you enter the connection information for 2 databases, which then connects 
to them and reads the database schema. After that there are 2 phases: Table 
links and column links. Once you set those up, you click the go button and it 
will import just the tables and columns you selected from the second database 
into the first. 

One of the features is that it will add tables and columns that do not already 
exist in the first database for you. Very handy. But as I said I am writing it 
really as an import/merge from a Spiceworks database so I can get all the 
devices collected by Spiceworks networks scanner into my own database where I 
can handle software licenses and other resources associated with the device the 
way I want them handled. 

Still, the techniques I use are very much along the lines of what you describe. 

Bob


On May 31, 2010, at 11:35 AM, JosepM wrote:

> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I need to create and backup mySQL database from Rev. I have created the
> database, so only I need to run the schema, but I have no clear what can be
> the best solution for.
> 
> Any experience?
> 
> Salut,
> Josep
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Re: Behaviors handlers not found when re-opening stacks

[Andre.Bisseret]

Le 1 juin 10 à 14:49, Trevor DeVore a écrit :


On May 31, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:


But
If I save and close these 2 stacks when I reopen them that does not  
work anymore (I get a "can"t find handler" error, and in tRev, the  
tab of the group's script opens up with some empty lines in it !!!??)


http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8280


OK, (I am working with rev 4.0). I will try 4.5 dp3

Thank you much for your attention and your answer Trevor

André

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Re: never ending scroll?

[BNig]

Nicolas,

I liked the idea of a scrolling field and gave it a try. I tested on Mac
with Safari and Firefox, on Windows XP with Firexfox and Internet Explorerer
6. It worked. Under MacOS X 10.6.x with the scrollwheel or the trackpad the
system gives a "iPhone" like scrolling, not with Firefox though.

You might want to have a look at it as revlet:
http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/scrollfield/
as a zipped stack:
http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/scrollfieldstack/

regards
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Re: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video)

[Thomas McGrath III]

I agree with both Andre and Richards responses to these issues brought up in 
this excellent thread. One of the things Peter brought up was about the idea of 
having to buy a 3d party add on to get expected functionality out of the Rev 
IDE. Andre and Richards responses were right on/spot on about this. But, Peter 
mentioned the editor as one of these and I agree with him that the internal 
editor is too flaky (thanks Andre) and as a result of too many crashes related 
to the built-in editor have had to buy tRev/switch to tRev in order to get some 
of my latest projects out the door. 

I would rather have 'chosen' to use tRev because of its great features (of 
which it has many, many great features), than having 'had' to use it because 
the internal editor just doesn't work well enough for professional development. 
I think Peter's inclusion of the Editor points to a real problem and to the 
impressions that he points out. 

I think this impression is accurate only in the case of the built-in editor 
which, I hope, will be fixed in the next release. The other Rev-Select Add-ons 
fall into the 'really great enhancements to RunRev' category and do not 
necessarily fall into the 'need to make up for something that should work but 
doesn't ' in RunRev category.

I think the more important thing to learn here is what some of the current 
impressions of RR are and why. How RR is perceived (especially by new comers to 
the world of RR) should help point us/RR to the areas that need the most 
improvement.


Great thread,

Tom McGrath III
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Re: Behaviors handlers not found when re-opening stacks

[Trevor DeVore]

On May 31, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:


But
If I save and close these 2 stacks when I reopen them that does not  
work anymore (I get a "can"t find handler" error, and in tRev, the  
tab of the group's script opens up with some empty lines in it !!!??)


http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8280

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Re: Example of scrolling group?

[Trevor DeVore]

On May 29, 2010, at 9:20 PM, Jeff Massung wrote:

Anyone have a good example of how to make a group that scrolls (like  
the
data grid)? I haven't seen anything in the User's Guide or on the  
RunRev

site - although I could have missed it.


This lesson shows how to use a group to scroll large images.

http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/11788-How-do-I-scroll-a-card-that-is-taller-or-wider-than-the-window-

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Re: RTF documents as templates

[Robert Brenstein]

On 31.05.10 at 10:50 -0700 JosepM apparently wrote:

Nop. My solution was store the entire document and search and replace before
to build the document, and then out as PDF using Quartam PDF Library and
Quartam Reports, but also you can print from a card.



If you need to just print, producing PDF files might be a way to go. 
Using RTF works as well. I used RTF documents as templates to produce 
Word docs. Basically, I created a full blown, properly formatted Word 
doc as template, then replaced variable elements with tokens, in my 
case things like [title], [description]. Rev stack read RTF directly 
into a variable and replaced the tokens, then saved new file. One 
needs to use RTF commands for marking new paragraphs, styles, and 
code non-English characters. I even used to produce Word table with 
varying numbers of rows by marking a repeating code for row in RTF 
and replicating it as many times as needed. Some sleuthing required, 
though, to decipher blocks in RTF.


Robert
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Re: Survey Caution

[Trevor DeVore]

On May 29, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Jim Kanter wrote:


This is becoming an interesting survey about who actually reads
instructions and who just assumes the way things are...


I had a graphics teacher in high school that became so fed up with  
students not reading instructions (and thus wasting materials) that he  
began puttingspecial instructions at the top of every test. The  
instructions spelled out how you should take the test, which questions  
to answer, etc. If you didn't read them you definitely wouldn't pass.


I've been an instruction reader ever since :-)

A favorite quote: "If all else fails—Please! Follow instructions."

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Re: inconsistent field appearance

[Terry Judd]

Could you do a spot of preliminary 'image analysis' on a field containing a
standard lowercase letter. By programatically moving the mouse (I guess you
can do this with the cursor hidden) and querying the mouseColor you could
determine the actual height of the character on the target platform and
adjust the distance between the two lines accordingly.

There's sure to be an easier way.

Terry...


On 1/06/10 8:10 PM, "Nicolas Cueto"  wrote:

>> Hi Nicolas - can you provide a screengrab of how the problem manifests
> 
> Here are the screengrabs Terry suggested I post:
> 
> Vista view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIo9J
> Vista view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIqES
> 
> XP view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIt90
> XP view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIlFA
> 
> The first two (Vista) are what I'm expecting. I.e., the minuscules are
> between the guide lines.
> 
> The second two (XP) show the problem. I.e., the letters have become
> larger and so go over the guide lines.
> 
> To repeat, all the font settings are manually cleared and reset by a
> script. And the jpgs show that both XP and Vista stack versions show
> the correct font, albeit at the wrong size.
> 
> Hope that illustrates the problem.
> 
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Re: inconsistent field appearance

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Nicolas Cueto  wrote:
>> Hi Nicolas - can you provide a screengrab of how the problem manifests
>
> Here are the screengrabs Terry suggested I post:
>
> Vista view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIo9J
> Vista view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIqES
>
> XP view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIt90
> XP view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIlFA
>
> The first two (Vista) are what I'm expecting. I.e., the minuscules are
> between the guide lines.
>
> The second two (XP) show the problem. I.e., the letters have become
> larger and so go over the guide lines.


The XP images seem more jagged than the Vista ones. I wonder are the
monitors set to different DPI?
Not that this should make any difference to the overall effect.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: inconsistent field appearance

[Nicolas Cueto]

> Hi Nicolas - can you provide a screengrab of how the problem manifests

Here are the screengrabs Terry suggested I post:

Vista view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIo9J
Vista view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIqES

XP view 1 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIt90
XP view 2 -- http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxzIlFA

The first two (Vista) are what I'm expecting. I.e., the minuscules are
between the guide lines.

The second two (XP) show the problem. I.e., the letters have become
larger and so go over the guide lines.

To repeat, all the font settings are manually cleared and reset by a
script. And the jpgs show that both XP and Vista stack versions show
the correct font, albeit at the wrong size.

Hope that illustrates the problem.

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Re: Download queue with libURL

[Terry Vogelaar]

Hi Mark,

I'm afraid that is not true. I tried it without queue and it worked  
for very small files. If the file is small enough, the upload is done  
on time. Also, when debugging, the script is running slow enough to  
finish downloading. But when I'm just running it and it has to  
download a bunch of JPGs of 125kb each, I only have the last one. That  
was the only one that had enough time to finish.


So I apparently need this queue approach to solve this. And the  
variable contains the right data because it does the first one.  
However, it doesn't call the script like it should. No wachtrij  
message is sent.


I'm puzzled...

Terry

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Hi Terry,

You don't need to do this. LibURL can do this by itself. Just issue
the upload and download commands right-away.

Does item 3 of line 1 of kjoejoe contain a file path? (It should).

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On 31 mei 2010, at 13:28, Terry Vogelaar wrote:


I can't figure out what is wrong with this script:

on wachtrij
 global kjoejoe
 if line 1 of kjoejoe <> "" then
put line 1 of kjoejoe && the number of lines of kjoejoe
set the itemdel to tab
switch item 1 of line 1 of kjoejoe
   case "up"
  libURLftpUploadFile item 2 of line 1 of kjoejoe, item 3
of line 1 of kjoejoe, "wachtrij"
  break
   case "down"
  libURLDownloadToFile item 2 of line 1 of kjoejoe, item 3
of line 1 of kjoejoe, "wachtrij"
end switch
delete line 1 of kjoejoe
 end if
end wachtrij


The global variable 'kjoejoe' contains the prober data, because the
first line gets processed as expected. But then, after
libURLDownloadToFile or libURLftpUploadFile is done, it should call
this command again until kjoejoe is empty. And that isn't happening.
Why not?

Terry


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Troubles downloading .eps files

[As_Simon]

Hello List,
I have used rev to download thousands of files without much trouble until I
came across some .eps files.  The download starts and then stops only after
I have downloaded a portion of the file.  The result is empty or
"downloaded" depending on which method I use.  This error is very repeatable
but twice out of about 60 attempts I did manage to get the file.  I have
downloaded consecutively dozens of files of less than or greater file size
from the same server and network but only the .eps fails, I don't believe
it's a network problem.
I can see that the socket is still open and the file is still downloading
but since rev thinks it's done the rest of the file goes
Using FireFox I can download the complete file without an error.

Looking at the .eps file the common thing I see is that it was saved as an
.eps from Photoshop (but not sure that has anything to do with it).


Thanks for any help you can provide.
Regards,
Simon
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Re: RTF documents as templates

[JosepM]

Let's try :)
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