Re: RunRev logos
On Aug 22, 2006, at 2:30 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Garrett Hylltun wrote: On Aug 21, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: [snip] The license still 'encourages' us to place these logos. U, without trying to start something here. You mean that we're suppose to be putting a logo or some credit to Runtime in our apps? -Garrett In the license agreement, there is a Revolution copyright statement that you must include along with your own copyright statements. Including the rev logo is optional, but encouraged. Ok... Well that just put the nail in the coffin for me and Rev. I didn't pay all this damn money so I could put their copyright statement along with mine on anything I do. If this was a free version I was using then I could see doing something like that, even putting their logo all over it, but not after having to pay so much money, and continue to pay so much money if I want updates or upgrade/ updates, or whatever they want to call them. It's buggy, too expensive, price structure that's intended to suck the blood of it's users, introducing new features, err, bugs in updates instead of focusing on smashing as many bugs as possible already in Rev On and on and on the list goes why Rev is such a major disappointment. I feel like I've been totally ripped off here. The rest of you can continue to keep your blinders on and praise it all you want, but for me, I'm out of here! -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev logos
On Aug 21, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: [snip] The license still 'encourages' us to place these logos. U, without trying to start something here. You mean that we're suppose to be putting a logo or some credit to Runtime in our apps? -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Character length limit in fields - Part Duex!
On Aug 11, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Aug 11, 2006, at 5:54 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote: I am using "Lucida Grande Typewriter" as the font at size "12" I'm trying to make a simple text editor that uses monospaced only fonts, with a character grid/guide so I know at what character position I am at when typing text. I suspect that the pixel width limit is much less than it was or I misunderstood what the pixel limit was. And/or there may be a separate limit on the scroll. I suspect there are arithmetic errors from overflows. I tried 12 point courier. That is 7 points wide so I thought I should be able to put 4570 characters on the line (assuming 32000 pixel limit). Boy did that go goofy. The line was cut off and the scroll went way beyond the end of the line. I was only able to put in about 3700 characters in the first line and scroll right. The formatted width was messed up, so you might want to go to much less. Gotta go. Dar Scott LOL.. Yeah, plays a bit of a game on it doesn't it. Thanks Dar for at least trying to figure that one out. I have never had the need for a line of text that's 32,000 or 65,000 or whatever, so maybe setting up my own code to limit lines to say 1024 or 2048 should be fine for me. Thanks again, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Character length limit in fields - Part Duex!
Rev 2.6.1 / Mac OS X Greetings, Recently I asked about the text width limit in characters of a field. It seems that 65,536 characters is the limit, but there are definitely some issues with stuffing that much on one line of a field. I am using "Lucida Grande Typewriter" as the font at size "12" * Field set to no wrap, disabled and focusing not allowed; the characters do not show up if you toss in over 32,000 characters. If I keep at 32,000 characters, they are visible in the field. * Field set to no wrap and has scroll bars; Single line has only 28,750 characters, characters are showing, but scrolling stops at about 665 characters. But if break the line at 665, then the scrolling is allowed to go to about 995, break that second line down with a return and the scrolling is allowed to go even further. I'm trying to make a simple text editor that uses monospaced only fonts, with a character grid/guide so I know at what character position I am at when typing text. Screenshot of the scroll and length issue here: http://www.paraboliclogic.com/fieldproblem.jpg Does anyone have any insight into this issue? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Character length limit in fields?
On Aug 10, 2006, at 7:11 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Aug 10, 2006, at 7:52 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote: What is the character length limit in fields in Rev 2.6.1 on OS X, Linux and Windows? The number of characters is bounded memory and processor addressing, so is effectively larger than what you need. The number of characters per line is limited to about 64K. Ummm, my memory is a bit off these days... So is that about 65,500 characters? (give or take some.) -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Character length limit in fields?
On Aug 10, 2006, at 7:11 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Aug 10, 2006, at 7:52 PM, Garrett Hylltun wrote: What is the character length limit in fields in Rev 2.6.1 on OS X, Linux and Windows? The number of characters is bounded memory and processor addressing, so is effectively larger than what you need. The number of characters per line is limited to about 64K. That is found from the limits documentation. The number of pixels per line after any wrapping is limited to about 32K, even if the field is not that wide. The last one might be old; I haven't checked that on 2.6.1. It might turn out that the 64K limit per line assumes 8- bit characters and might be less for Unicode. Is that what you are looking for? Yes yes, thanks.. I needed per line and should have been more clear on that. I didn't realize there was a section in the docs on the limits. I was looking in the wrong place of course, checking the objects section of the docs to see it noted the limits. Thanks a bunch Dar, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Character length limit in fields?
Rev 2.6.1 / Mac OS X Greetings, What is the character length limit in fields in Rev 2.6.1 on OS X, Linux and Windows? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Drawers Conflict :-(
Rev 2.6.1 / Mac OS X Greetings, This is really the oddest thing and I've spent two days trying to figure it out and fix it, but am having no luck at all. In the preOpenStack handler of my main stack, I drawer two sub stacks of that main stack. I then hide stack both stacks. When I click button and use show stack on the first one, it slides right out as it is suppose to. But when I click the button to and use show stack on the second one, it does not slide out, it's detached but is in drawer form. Now I can still click the first button to hide stack the first drawer and it slides back in, but if I click the second button to hide stack the second drawer, it does nothing. In another combination, I did not drawer the stacks in the preOpenStack, but in the buttons, I would drawer each stack and then close them. But the problem there was that if one drawer was out, clicked the button for the second drawer, the first drawer would be closed, and vice versa. I have checked and rechecked my code, checked and played with the properties of all windows I've read and re-read the docs and can't figure out why this behavior is happening. One more thing... The first drawer can't be close as even when it is hidden, it's still be used to maintain a list of files open on the main stack. The second drawer is just for additional tools and can be closed. Besides the above examples, I did try a few other variations on how to drawer these stacks and show and hide them. Has anyone else experienced this issue? Has anyone a suggestion or fix for this issue? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Studio License Renewal Cost
On Aug 4, 2006, at 12:32 AM, dreamscapesoftware.com - List wrote: Does anyone else cringe at the thought of dropping down $199 or more for a few new [snip] license once. Do I really need to pay Rev $199 for the "reLaunch" command?!!! Give me a break. If anyone else agree's that the upgrade cost is too high, let me know and speak up. I've already expressed my dislike of the pricing structure. But expressing it here on the mailing list does nothing but cause unwanted and unneeded dissension among everyone on the list and in the end, won't change Runtime's pricing structure anyway. The pricing structure was I'm sure intended to create a constant financial source from businesses which are typically used to paying through the nose for software and repeated high priced updates and upgrades. It wasn't really setup with the home or hobby developer in mind. Basically, if you don't like the price structure for Rev, ya might want to consider an less expensive alternative which might fulfill your needs and expectations. Best regards, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Registration Key Storage
On Jul 30, 2006, at 2:48 PM, Phil Zimmerman wrote: Hi, I am contemplating the various avenues on how one would release a cross-platform Rev application that has demo functionality with the opportunity to input a registration key for full functionality. Does anyone have any opinions on how the storage of the key should be accomplished? Is it more advantageous to store the key data in the Windows registry rather than in a file somewhere on the machine? In general I tell people to avoid even touching the Windows Registry unless they are seriously familiar with it. One little mishap and you can destroy a users system and or cause data loss. Stick with using files. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: "Hello World"
On Jul 24, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Shouldn't xTalk/Transcript be here: http://guides.macrumors.com/ Compiling_and_executing_a_Hello_World_application If not, you can find it on the "99 Bottles of Beer" site: http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/t.html -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
So the answer to the original question is "No", xTalk can't be considered an open source language syntax. Someone would have to come up with a separate xTalk like syntax and release that as open source. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: Mark... Are you sure? Copyrighting language syntax is pretty tricky stuff and I'm not at all sure that ANY of those *languages* was ever so protected or is now. I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondering what your source of such certainty is. Tricky yes, but not impossible of course. The language syntax to Visual DialogScript is copyrighted. But it's a language that is definitely unique enough to be able to get away with being copyrighted. I'm not sure xTalk and variants can say the same. And of course, how could anyone get a copyright on this if there are prior works that they are based on? -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] xTalk Legal Status
On Jul 22, 2006, at 6:06 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: [snip] Anyone can make a compiler/interpreter that speaks an xTalk variant, as long as you don't reverse engineer. A legal approach would be to make an xTalk environment first and then make it compatible with existing xTalk platforms, but maybe you don't even need to consider what's legal, as long as you're not reverse engineering or copying. So the compiler and ide are copyrighted, but the xTalk language itself is not copyrighted? -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: screensaver question
On Jul 20, 2006, at 3:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to create a screensaver with Rev? On Windows, you'll be limited to how involved you can get with using Rev for screensavers. First, you need to either hide the windows task bar, or be able to make your Rev stack sit above the task bar. If you hide the task bar, don't forget to set it back to show before you close your saver. Nothing worse than not putting the task bar back. ;-) Now, for Windows to interact with your saver you need to setup your Rev made app to accept 3 possible command line parameters. /s <-- which is windows telling you to run your screensaver now /c <-- which is windows telling you to run your configuration (if you have one) window /p <-- which is windows telling you to toss up your preview screen, which you can't do in Rev since it requires the use of Window ID's other than what Rev is capable of listing and using. That, and you would need to be able to affix a preview window on another non-Rev window. But it's not a major issue as you can still get away with the rest of this. So basically take in the command line parameter on this, but simple close your app and do nothing with it on this. If I ever get around to it, I'll make an external for Rev that allows the Rev user to at least toss up an image file for the preview screen. But that'll take a while since I have no experience with externals for Rev yet. On the preview issue, you could however, open a preview window when this parameter is sent to your app, but it would be a separate window from the Windows Screensaver Preview window. The draw back is that the user will have to close your preview window since it's not controlled by the Windows Screensaver Preview. There are more parameters sent with the /p parameter, but they are Window ID's, and as I noted above, we can't do anything with those in Rev. And be sure to monitor for any key presses and mouse movement while your saver is in use so you can close it down when the user presses any key or moves the mouse. And of course, rename the extension from .exe to .scr, then drop it into either the Windows directory or the System directory. Also consider whether or not you want to deal with multiple monitor setups. Be mindful of CPU usage in your repeats. What's the point of it if your saver is totally tasking out the CPU. I could just picture the emails you'd get if your saver burns out a bunch of CPU's. ;-) Can't help you for Linux or OS X on this as I've never tried making savers for either of them. Good luck, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DreamHost In-Depth (was Re: Dreamhost?)
On Jul 17, 2006, at 7:07 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: [snip] >- Everything DreamHost has been down since around 6:30pm Eastern today. My email, my website, even their own home page and control panel. Seems they are no more reliable than my previous provider. :( Looks like I'll be going back to my prior host, ChiHost.com. (I was able to use Rev CGI on ChiHost, no problem.) http://www.pgware.com/ Brief instructions on how I setup rev for cgi on pgware.com hosting: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=308 Been a reliable host for me, low prices, cpanel and much more. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ummm, Eeeeee, How do you this again?
Since I'm using htmltext, I have disabled fixedlineheight of the field. What about getting a percentage value of the scrollbar to formattedheight of the field, then after changing fon't size and reapplying the htmltext, then finding the appropriate position under the new circumstances. This is what I was trying to do in the first place, but my mind just is not clicking at all. I can't even remember how to get a percentage value of the scrollbar's position within the formatted height of the field. :-( -Garrett On Jul 15, 2006, at 11:20 PM, PDS Labs - RevDev wrote: Hold on there, Baba-Louie! I think what you want is this: (field names changed to hopefully avoid wrapping) put (the vScroll of fld "x" / the effective textHeight of fld "x") \ into tLineScroll -- set your font size -- insert your html text set the vScroll of fld "x" to \ (the effective textHeight of fld "x" * tLineScroll) -- the above code should work as long as all lines of fld "x" have the same textHeight - otherwise don't you get "mixed" (or something like that) as the textHeight value? Regards - Phil Davis Ken Ray wrote: On 7/15/06 6:43 PM, "Garrett Hylltun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rev 2.6.1 on OS X Greetings, Somebody showed me how to do this before, but for the life of me can't find the code or the email on it. I need to record the vscroll position, increase the font size of the field, then reapply the htmltext, then adjust the vscroll to take into account the increased formattedheight. Basically, put the vscroll back to the same line as it was before the font size increase. I can't find anything specific to doing this in the docs, and even attempted to figure this out on my own, but I just can't seem to grasp it. Could someone please point me in the right direction? put the vScroll of fld "stuff" into tScroll -- set your font size -- insert your html text set the vScroll of fld "Stuff" to tScroll HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Ummm, Eeeeee, How do you this again?
Rev 2.6.1 on OS X Greetings, Somebody showed me how to do this before, but for the life of me can't find the code or the email on it. I need to record the vscroll position, increase the font size of the field, then reapply the htmltext, then adjust the vscroll to take into account the increased formattedheight. Basically, put the vscroll back to the same line as it was before the font size increase. I can't find anything specific to doing this in the docs, and even attempted to figure this out on my own, but I just can't seem to grasp it. Could someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks a bunch, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AppleScript Question
On Jul 14, 2006, at 4:15 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Ummm. Ok, don't laugh at me, but I don't use Dashboard and have it disabled. So I don't know much about that. Where would I find the widgets for dashboard? :-( [snip] If you actually want the Dictionary app to open, how about trying UI Scripting. It's fiddly, but it does allow AppleScripting of non-scriptable apps. You can read about it on the Apple website. Cheers, Sarah "UI Scripting" ? Is this part of AppleScript or something? I'll see if I can find that on the site. Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AppleScript Question
On Jul 14, 2006, at 3:03 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: I'm trying to get the Dictionary.app to cooperate with my project, [snip] Safari hidden, send the data to it without it getting http:// stuffed in front of it? There is an AppleScript scripting addition called XSpell that provides AppleScript commands for checking spelling but that doesn't help if you want the definitions. Actually, I do want the dictionary app to open. My program is intended to be like a compliment to the dictionary app. That and I figure why try to reinvent the wheel. I would check out the Dictionary Dashboard widget (open the widget's package and browse through the files there). You may find it uses shell commands or something that you can modify for your purposes. Ummm. Ok, don't laugh at me, but I don't use Dashboard and have it disabled. So I don't know much about that. Where would I find the widgets for dashboard? :-( Alternatively, what happens if instead of revGoURL, you use load URL "dict:///"? If you can get the data directly that way, it would probably be the best solution. I haven't tried that, but just for the fun of it will try it. As noted above, I really don't want to mess with the data at all. My next task will be to try and figure out how to get Dictionary.app to send a word to my program. Probably not possible though. Cheers, Sarah Thank you Sarah :-) -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Words becoming bunched up over each other?
I think Sarah has it pegged. There are hundreds words being sent to the field in a variable, and no returns. But on a side note, I tried using other fonts, and some fonts did not encounter this problem though. So I'm using Monaco and it bunches up, then I change to Chicago and it all shows. Really strange. And I do have the fixedLineHeight turned off, because it does play havoc on htmltext in general. But good to point that out for others who may not know that. Thanks Dan and Sarah :-) -Garrett On Jul 14, 2006, at 3:32 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: Another time I've seen this is when you have the fixedLineHeight of the field set. I routinely unset that property now and am much happier with field displays in general. On 7/14/06, Sarah Reichelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone ever encountered words being bunched up on top of each > other in a field when using htmltext? > > I'm displaying a list of words padded with an amount spaces so that > each word is equal in length, and then adding a tab after each word, > and using a mono spaced font. > > This does not happen all the time though, only on certain conditions > it seems. But I was wondering if anyone else has run into this and > has figured out how to keep it from happening. Yes, this happens when a line exceeds the 64K maximum number of characters. Either split the data into multiple lines or store it as is in a custom property and only display sections of it at a time. Cheers, Sarah [snip] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Words becoming bunched up over each other?
Rev 2.6.1 on OS X Has anyone ever encountered words being bunched up on top of each other in a field when using htmltext? I'm displaying a list of words padded with an amount spaces so that each word is equal in length, and then adding a tab after each word, and using a mono spaced font. This does not happen all the time though, only on certain conditions it seems. But I was wondering if anyone else has run into this and has figured out how to keep it from happening. Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
AppleScript Question
Rev 2.6.1 on OS X Greetings, I'm trying to get the Dictionary.app to cooperate with my project, but can't figure out how to do what I need. What I want to do is when you highlight a word in a a field, right click and select a menu entry, to send that word to the Dictionary.app so that it will look up the word. No problem on the highlight, right click and menu stuff, but getting the Dictionary.app to open and look up the word is the problem. I checked Apple's site to see if Dictionary.app was scriptable, but it's not. But! It says that if you type into Safari Dict:///word (word being the word you want to lookup) that Safari will open the Dictionary.app program and have the Dictionary.app lookup the word. So I tried using revGoURL, which opened Safari, and Dict:///word was sent to Safari, but Safari added http:// in front of Dict:///word, which of course did nothing. I thought that I'd try to see if there was an AppleScript solution to this using the Dict:///word idea, but my knowledge of AppleScript is nill and my attempts so far have done nothing at all. Does anyone have any suggestions, ideas or maybe even some code that might accomplish what I need for this? Something maybe that opens Safari hidden, send the data to it without it getting http:// stuffed in front of it? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Colour of a pixel?
On Jul 12, 2006, at 6:35 PM, John Tregea wrote: Hi again, Can anyone tell me if there is a way of getting the rgb value of a specified pixel within a jpg graphic file that has been imported into rev? I have read the docs but cannot see anything that tells me if I can or how... The two items needed are mouseColor function: Returns the color of the pixel that the mouse pointer is over. screenMouseLoc property: Specifies the position of the mouse pointer relative to the screen. (Also allows you to set the mouse to a specified location) Example: put the screenMouseLoc into varMouseCoordinates put the left of this stack + 225 into varStackH put the top of this stack + 40 into varStackV set the screenMouseLoc to varStackV,varStackH put the mouseColor into varColor set the screenMouseLoc to varMouseCoordinates answer varColor Grab the current location of the mouse, then get the left position of the stack and add how many pixels to the position that you need to the pixel you want, and then top of your stack plus how many pixels to the pixel you need, then move the mouse to that position, then using the mouseColor, get the color of that pixel, then put the mouse back where it was when you started. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Get colors for... ?
Rev 2.6.1 on OS X Greetings, I could swear I saw something in the docs about getting a list of the default colors that are to be used for all the controls. Such as getting what the default color to be used for text, or the default background color of what an edit field will have. Anybody know what I'm talking about, and or, am I dazed and confused? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Determine if file exists? - I know I saw this on the list!
On Jul 10, 2006, at 12:03 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: If there is a file tFilePath Thank you Chipp, :-) -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Determine if file exists? - I know I saw this on the list!
Rev 2.6.1 / OS X I know I saw this come through the list, and just recently too. Can someone repost the code example for determining if a file exists. Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open .tiff files in Rev?
The AppleScript route that Ken Ray suggested works just fine. Thanks to everyone who helped out, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open .tiff files in Rev?
Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, Is it possible to set the background of the QT Player object to transparent when loading a .tiff file into it? And or, is it possible to save out the .tiff image in the player to a .png? If no to both then I'll stick with the applescript method that Ken Ray pointed out. Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open .tiff files in Rev?
On Jul 9, 2006, at 4:53 AM, Ian Wood wrote: On 9 Jul 2006, at 10:46, Garrett Hylltun wrote: On Jul 9, 2006, at 2:12 AM, Ian Wood wrote: A player object also doesn't have the image size limitation of image objects on OS X. Thanks, but this also reminds me of another question. I could swear that just the other day someone posted some code that allows you get the proper dimensions of an image. Does anyone still have that email? Thanks, -Garrett Once the file is loaded up you can get the formattedWidth and formattedHeight of the player or image. On OS X 10.3 and above you can also use Image Events via Applescript, in a similar way to being able to convert formats. Of course, that's not much use fro cross-platform work... This project is OS X only, so no problem there. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open .tiff files in Rev?
On Jul 9, 2006, at 2:12 AM, Ian Wood wrote: [snip] You can also load TIFFs into a QuickTime player object, although this will be slower than command line conversion. A player object also doesn't have the image size limitation of image objects on OS X. Thanks, but this also reminds me of another question. I could swear that just the other day someone posted some code that allows you get the proper dimensions of an image. Does anyone still have that email? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open .tiff files in Rev?
Garrett Hylltun wrote: Ken Ray wrote: Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, For some reason I had it in my mind that Rev could open .tiff files, but I found that I was wrong. Does anyone know of a way to load .tiff files into Rev, or of a way to convert the images via command line through Rev? What platform(s)? >> Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Does anyone have the tiff2png program from Fink on their system already compiled? If so, would you be willing to email it to me? And the man page if possible. Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open .textclipping file in Rev?
J. Landman Gay wrote: Garrett Hylltun wrote: > J. Landman Gay wrote: >> Garrett Hylltun wrote: >>> Rev 2.6.1 / OS X >>> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Does anyone know how on earth to open a .textclipping file in Rev? >> >> Like this: >> >> put getResource(theFilePath,"TEXT",256) into theClipText >> > > Thank you Jacqueline :-) You're welcome, but I should probably have mentioned that clipping files often have long file names of more than 32 characters, which means the names get internally hashed by the OS. When that happens, you'll hit the problem where Rev thinks the file isn't "found". The file name of .textclipping files I'll be dealing with are the same, which is "Attribution.textClipping", which is only 24 characters total, not including the path though. That doesn't apply to the path and the file name does it? -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open .textclipping file in Rev?
J. Landman Gay wrote: Garrett Hylltun wrote: Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, Does anyone know how on earth to open a .textclipping file in Rev? Like this: put getResource(theFilePath,"TEXT",256) into theClipText Thank you Jacqueline :-) -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open .tiff files in Rev?
Ken Ray wrote: Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, For some reason I had it in my mind that Rev could open .tiff files, but I found that I was wrong. Does anyone know of a way to load .tiff files into Rev, or of a way to convert the images via command line through Rev? What platform(s)? >> Rev 2.6.1 / OS X -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Open .tiff files in Rev?
Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, For some reason I had it in my mind that Rev could open .tiff files, but I found that I was wrong. Does anyone know of a way to load .tiff files into Rev, or of a way to convert the images via command line through Rev? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Open .textclipping file in Rev?
Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, Does anyone know how on earth to open a .textclipping file in Rev? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Close non Rev apps via Rev apps?
Sarah Reichelt wrote: [snip] I don't think it's possible to close the program directly from my Rev app, but is it possible via AppleScript? Here is an AppleScript that will check if Mail is running & quit it if so. tell application "Finder" if exists application process "Mail" then tell application "Mail" to quit end if end tell Just replace "Mail" witht he name of your app and it should work for anything. The check is necessary because a "tell" will open the app first before doing the rest, which you don't want if you are only trying to quit it anyway. Thank you Sarah :-) -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Close non Rev apps via Rev apps?
Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, Is it possible to close a program that is not related to my own Rev made app? I want to close and re-open another app after some changes have been made to it's settings file. I don't think it's possible to close the program directly from my Rev app, but is it possible via AppleScript? Any info, pointers, or links to instructions greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: send "subCheckNow" to me, or? - Thanks a bunch! :-)
Alex, Mark and Jacqueline, Again, thanks so much for all the help and info. I had concerns since this program is to be expected to run 24/7 for me. But it looks as if it'll be good to go now. Thanks a bunch, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dreamhost?
Thomas McCarthy wrote: Stephen Barncard gave me the heads up on Dreamhost. Do it. [snip] I posted in on the rev forums about this. I use pgware.com hosting and have been for sometime now. Due to this thread I thought I'd try rev on my server. It works but with only one catch. I could not get the cgi-bin directory to cooperate so I made a new directory named rev-bin and it worked fine from there. Plans start at about $5 usd a month at pgware and I've had no problems at all with the server or the service. The guy who runs it is a long time programming buddy of mine. But his operation is a small one and he does not have a large support team or anything like that. So support can be delayed anywhere from an hour to the next day depending on the time you submit for help. I'm sure he'd be more than flexible if you need something changed, tweaked or fixed. Also, the accounts come complete with CPanel which allows you a lot of options for your server, easy access to setting up forums and so on. http://pgware.com/solutions/hosting/ -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: send "subCheckNow" to me, or?
Alex Tweedly wrote: [snip] Is it better to use "send" or just use the name of the handler? [snip] My script compiler doesn't object to it at all (Rev 2.6.1., WinXP). Did you maybe have both options in the script at the same time (in which case the script compiler would complain because there were two handlers with same name) ? Greetings Alex, I actually didn't try the second option since I did not know if there would be any adverse effects of doing that. So I only had the first one running. The second option calls the handler directly - i.e. in the same execution context, so as written it is indeed infinite recursion. Of [snip] handler you want to execute is not in the message path. Since you were sending to the same handler, it is in the message path, and also you had no delay specified - so it would seem you should never do option 1 in preference to option 2. Before I try it I have one reservation which I note further down in this reply. NOTE that a ""delayed send" (such as "send xxx to me in N ticks") is commonly used, because it queues the message, and therefore affects the order of execution. As the docs say, I've got a delay of 500 milliseconds at the top of the handler. This was the full handler that I was using: on subCheckNow wait for 500 milliseconds with messages -- < Delay here put field "fCounter" + 1 into field "fCounter" if field "fCounter" > 1800 and field "fAppMode" is "1" then get URL "http://www.411on911drivingschool.com/data/guestid.txt"; put it into field "fResult" put "1" into field "fCounter" if field "fResult" is field "fPrevious" then put "Checked at: " & short time into field "fStatusLabel" else put field "fResult" - field "fPrevious" into varDiff put varDiff & " new message(s)" into field "fStatusLabel" put field "fResult" into field "fPrevious" set the visible of this stack to true put "4" into field "fAppMode" set the disabled of button "btnRefresh" to true set the disabled of button "btnDismiss" to true set the label of button "btnPause" to "Resume" play audioclip "tick.wav" wait 500 millisec play audioclip "tick.wav" wait 500 millisec play audioclip "tick.wav" wait 500 millisec play audioclip "tick.wav" wait 500 millisec play audioclip "warn1.wav" end if end if if field "fAppMode" is "1" then send "subCheckNow" to me in 1 tick -- < A 1 tick delay here end if if field "fAppMode" is "3" then close this stack end if end subCheckNow [snip] but there seems to be no reason to use the "immediate" send to the same handler. What I was worried about is the fact that just using the handler name is kind of like doing a "GOSUB" in other languages, and that it expects to return to it's original calling handler when the new handler has completed. SEND seems like a "GOTO" and doesn't return to the calling handler. Unfortunately I did not find info in the docs that covered this aspect. What worries me more is, knowing that just calling the handler by name is like "GOSUB", is a queue being filled up in the engine, just waiting for the "GOSUB" like calls to be returned to their original calling points. And if they are not returned, what happens to the queue that has built up? And what will the engine do if that queue gets too large? I know that in other languages this would likely lead to a crash. I think at the moment I'd better stick to using send until I can find out whether the engine will get mucked up by using just the handler name. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: send "subCheckNow" to me, or?
Mark Smith wrote: The 2nd won't work, I'm pretty sure. I've used the 1st (usually send "subCheck" to me in n seconds) without problem. [snip] Alrighty then, 1. it is! :-) Thanks a bunch Mark and Scott, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
send "subCheckNow" to me, or?
Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, Is it better to use "send" or just use the name of the handler? on subCheckNow -- do stuff here send "subCheckNow" to me end subCheckNow Or this? on subCheckNow -- do stuff here subCheckNow end subCheckNow Is the second even allowed? And, if it is allowed, is their any ill effects from doing this? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev for Linux "Seal of Approval"
Mark Wieder wrote: Bob- Thursday, July 6, 2006, 11:07:18 AM, you wrote: great list of live CDs at http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php which can be downloaded and burned. !!! Thanks for the link. I've got a few of those archived, but I had no idea this list existed... Which outnumbers the other, linux software or linux distros? ;-) There are of course only a few that do stand above the rest, but the massive amounts of home brew distros really do dilute the market and confuse potential users. The other factor which works against linux is the amount of Window Managers available. Gnome and KDE being the most common. But KDE uses QT which has license issues which really leaves Gnome as the WM with the most potential at being the standard WM for linux. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dependence on Programming Experts
GregSmith wrote: I'll just repeat what I initially stated: I think multimedia authoring software should be intuitive enough, and well documented enough to allow a fairly non-technical user to do amazing things without constantly needing to ask assistance from local forum gurus. The foundational educational material for learning Revolution from the standpoint of a total non-programmer seems to be missing. That's the gist of my own personal dilemma. I do appreciate most of your replies, but having to go through this kind of verbal ordeal in order to learn a thing is precisely the reason I don't want to use a forum as a learning tool or depend upon the reactions of the local gurus. I want to learn alone. The resources which would allow me to do this from the ground up, using Transcript and Revolution, as a single tool, do not exist. You had the answers to your questions within a few of the users replies, but you persisted and of course, got more replies. No person here verbally abused you at all. Simple media presentation tools are what you want them to be, and Rev is not a simple media presentation tool, it's the bridge between that and full programming tool. A simple media presentation tool as you want will not accomplish what you want. If you want to do what you want to do, then you're going to have to get over your misconceptions and get dirty with learning a programming language. These things will never be so simple that anyone can use them, it's just impossible. Even though the car you spoke of only had 300 parts, that doesn't mean that the average Joe is capable of replicating it or working on it, unless they got dirty and learned how to do it. And I can bet you there was no tutorials or forums to help out. Nothing will ever be intuitive enough for every single person to do amazing things. The only way amazing things will happen is if you take the time to learn something and then use your knowledge to create that something amazing. If you are not able to begin learning to use Rev with what is already available for tutorials and such, then programming and or creating media presentation type projects is just not going to be your cup of tea at all. There is no magical spell that will allow anyone to learn without digging in and getting dirty. When you were a child, was riding a bicycle so intuitive that you did not need to learn how to ride it? When you began to use a computer, was it so intuitive that you did not have to ask for help? When you began to learn to read and write, was it so intuitive that you didn't have to go to school to learn how read and write? There's a price to pay for everything in life and if you're not willing to pay that price then you're just not going to get what you want at all. There's no amount of conjecture or debates that will change that. If you do find what you are looking for, I can assure you that you will never create anything amazing with it. Maybe you should look around the VPL development tools, or maybe try Flash or shockwave or something like that. Maybe those will be more intuitive. I think I can understand why the other forums were abrupt with you or just ignored you. You weren't willing to really learn at all, instead, you probably complained about how impossible it is to learn and it should be more intuitive so that a three-leg cross-eyed weener dog with brain damage could just start using it with no learning curve at all. Honestly, you've really kind of pissed me off on this completely. There should be no reason at all that you can't learn to use Rev! I have a hard time just living life itself because of my disabilities, but yet, I was able to learn to use Rev! And I bet you that I could put any one of my three teens at the computer with Rev and they'd learn and understand it within a few months, and not one of them knows jack about programming! My suggestions is go find something else to do and stay away from programming completely, don't even think about scripting, coding, batch, automation, nothing related to any of it. Take up coloring books! Oh Wait!, that might not be intuitive enough and you'd want the pictures to color themselves! Ok, I'm obviously off the deep end now, so take care and good luck on whatever you decided to do. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dependence on Programming Experts
J. Landman Gay wrote: [snip] But as Greg says, not everyone wants to be a programmer. I'm not sure how Rev could dumb itself down enough to do what Greg wants without any programming at all. I think Media with its templates is a step in the right direction, but Rev is definitely a programming environment and without at least some scripting it can only do so much. I just read what he says he wants to do. Adventure Game Kits and such. In that context, there's just no way around the infamous word *Programming*. I'm not really familiar with KeyNote, but I do understand "Presentation" tools, and I do not think that any presentation tool is going to be able to accomplish what he wants. Greg, did you know that Myst was originally written in HyperCard, the inspiration for MetaCard, which is now Revolution? So if you're thinking of really taking that Myst like creation kit to a final product, then you know for sure that Rev can accomplish it. Well anyway, I think you've got enough research into this now on the Rev side. With all the replies I read, there was some excellent advice and information there. It's up to you now and how dedicated to your projects that you want to be. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dependence on Programming Experts
GregSmith wrote: Dan & Malte: O.K., you asked for it. First, though, let me explain my own personal dilemma. I would have to agree with many of you out there, that there are limitations that come bundled with whatever single use tool you commit yourself to. None ever provides everything you wish they did. Though a product like Keynote does many of the things I need, it doesn't do them all and leaves me wishing and waiting for a time when it might. Or might not. User requests for new features only go so far. And moving a megaladon like Apple could prove to be next to impossible. So, you're right. Revolutioon offers an environment that seems very appealing from that point of view, alone. Make something that does precisely what you want it to do, the way you want it to do it. Expand such a creation at any point in the future. It does, indeed, seem limitless with regard to creative possibilities. So, yes, I'm sold on that aspect of the Revolution offering. But, English-like, or not, I just don't take to programming like ducks do to water. The very nature of performing all the teeny tiny little steps that you must perform to get even the most basic things done is an exercise in patience that may go beyond my capability to endure. I wish it were not so. I wish I were smarter and had the patience of Yoda. Maybe, someday I'll attain to it, but, today, I lack. I forgot to mention one more thing in my reply. I understand what you are saying with regards to being able to understand the syntax used in Rev. Upon first look it really seems intimidating to anyone, not just a newbie. At first, I was totally lost with Rev, and I'm not a newbie either, as I've been programming in one form or another of basic or other exotic scripting language since 1996. But! It's one of those things that after you spend a few weeks to maybe a month, it all of a sudden hits you like a brick in the forehead... BAM! "Oh Yeah... I get it now!" It's not an instantaneous effect. And it won't take years to comprehend, or years to become capable for someone to use. It's merely a matter of weeks or months, and I'd even say a newbie would be able to catch on within months. I even suffer from A.D.D., and was totally lost at first, even working the IDE was causing me some frustration, but then one day... BAM! And now it's like taking the dog for a walk. Transcript does become as logical as the English language... Errr, not that the English language is really logical, but you know what I mean. It's not exactly like speaking English, but it's as close as I think you can come to such an attempt. I'd say ride it out a little bit longer. Grab some of the simple examples and just keep looking at the source code. Lookup the commands and functions you see in the source codes to see what they are doing. Then maybe take a chance and make a few changes in that example. Check out some of the tutorials available. Try it for 30 days, and if you're not fully capable of understanding Rev, we'll give you back your life! Ok, we won't give you anything back, but at least you'll have tried. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Linux on PPC and RR
Richmond Mathewson wrote: [snip] Now, for some daft reason, I thought I would pop RR for Linux 2.2.1 on the G4 - and, it, did, not, work (and, the, commas, signal, something, which, is, probably, better, not, put, into, words). Does this mean that: Runtime Revolution for Linux only works on Intel machines? I believe so, as I tried running Rev itself and Rev produced exectuables on Ubuntu PPC also. I was hoping that it would work, but doubted it would since x86 linux apps and PPC Linux apps are not compatible at all. IMO though, PPC is probably nearing an end on the desktop computer market. With Apple even dumping it, there's not a whole lot left out there for the PPC except for specialty markets such as handhelds and such. PPC boxes will soon be a thing of the past, like 8086's and 8088's, 286's and 386's. As I am gently moving away from all forms of commercial software towards OpenSource (on my income in Bulgaria, I have a straight choice: do what most Bulgarians do: i.e. live in a totally Pirate, totally Windows world - not good, and potentially a bit risky when the country manages to sneak into the European Community - or use Free software), the only software I am likely to pay for in the future is Runtime Revolution. But my Macs (despite their not being the most modern) will be good and servicable for many years to come (believe me, I still use a BBC Master to teach PASCAL and BASIC) - especially if they become dual-system with both Mac OS and a form of PPC Linux. Please don't tell me I am the only person running Linux on a PPC; because I am not! No, you're not. I dual boot my PPC MacMini here with Ubuntu. Why? Ummm, just because I guess. I had no legit reason, just wanted to see if could be done. Running Rev off of it was just another thrill seeking quest. :-) [snip] PS. By the way . . . has anybody else discoverd "GIMPSHOP" ? its GIMP "tarted up" for those of us who got used to Photoshop but can no longer stump up the money - its really very good indeed! Straight up 100% pure Gimp for me. For me I need the consistent setup for whatever OS I am working on. So I have Gimp on Windows, Linux and OS X. The last thing my feeble mind needs is complication and confusion. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dependence on Programming Experts
GregSmith wrote: [snip] To tell you the truth, after several days of probing, I'm not so sure about Revolution being that simple to get a grasp on. I really want it to be so, [snip] There's not a whole lot out there that can match what Rev offers. The thing is, Rev is not just a single minded specific tool such as KeyNote. Rev is multipurpose tool which can cover a lot of territory that other tools of this nature can't even come close to. While it may not seem as simple as one thinks it should be, but that's because it's a much larger tool, with which, is not going to be as simple as single purpose tool like KeyNote. There are literally hundreds of thousands of things you can do with Rev that KeyNote is just not capable of doing, and never will be capable of doing. Really, if you're just looking for a narrow single purpose tool, then Rev is not it. But if you want flexibility and something that gives you a much broader ability, then Rev is it. You have to decide what the scope of your project is, then decide which tool will best fit you and the project at hand. If you don't need Rev, then don't get Rev. If KeyNote will do what you need, then use KeyNote. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The ICFP Programming Contest
Andre Garzia wrote: Hi Folks, anyone want to gather a team to participate in The ICFP Programming Contest of this year? Its usually very fun and one can learn much from it. While I'm not a Rev expert, I think I know enough to help out on a team for whatever they might toss out as the target. So I'm open if anyone wants me on that. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Newsletter Mailing List?
Björnke von Gierke wrote: On Jul 04 2006, at 20:09, Garrett Hylltun wrote: Is Runtime automatically subscribing it's user base to this? Or am I going crazier than I thought? ;-) That's the newsletter you received before.. only it's now managed in a mailing list. see issue 3 for details, and read at the bottom right of this page: http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/june/issue3/ Ah. So I'm not getting crazier than before! :-) Thanks for the heads up Björnke, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev Newsletter Mailing List?
Greetings, Did anyone else get an email notifying you that you were just subscribed to a newsletter mailing list for Rev? I don't remember subscribing to it. And it went to an email address I don't use for mailing lists. Is Runtime automatically subscribing it's user base to this? Or am I going crazier than I thought? ;-) -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A Newbie's ramblings.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I chip in? I have just finished my trial period of Media. Seems to be what I have been looking for since Hypercard days. However, I am a bit put-off buying by the several posts on this list about bugs in the latest version. Have they or will they all be sorted out soon? No and Never. As they fix one bug, and skip one, they create another bug. If I were you, I'd just consider them as features and not bugs. Not that they aren't trying work out bug, because they are, but it seems like they'll never actually get on top of all of them. [snip] As for the List itself. Isn't the PC/Mac controversy ever going to drop out of places like this? I have room on my desk for both as well as a Penquin box. Revolution is a product that knocks down the barricades, let's try not to rebuild them! Maybe people who cite dubious data about Marketing Shares might like to contemplate the following: "Statistics are like bikinis, what they show is interesting but what they hide is essential!". This list has a good mix of Mac, Win and Linux. In my short time here I have rarely seen any debates about which is better and such. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Using GPL'd Images?
Greetings, I want to use some GPL'd images in a Rev made executable, but I'm not sure if I can or not. These licenses are too confusing for me, so I hope someone here already has some experience with such things as GPL. If I use icon images from the Gnome project, I know I must include the GPL license that comes with them, but I do not need all of the images. I know I would have to give access to images to the user. But, do I need to include the entire package that the images came in, or merely the images I used along with the GPL and information on how to obtain the full package? And, does my program have to be GPL'd because I used these GPL'd images? Do I have to include the source to my program just because of this? Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Viewing or extracting .icns files?
Hi Klaus, I should have mentioned that I wanted to do this using Rev. But from your answer I believe that what I want to do is not possible from Rev. Thanks for the help, -Garrett Klaus Major wrote: Hi Garrett, Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, Does anybody know if it's possible to either view the icon files or extract the icon files from a OS X .icns file? on OS X you can use "Preview" to view and also extract *.ics files :-) Or, view or extract icon files from Windows .exe, .dll or resource files? You will need some utility here, no ida which one... Thanks, -Garrett Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Viewing or extracting .icns files?
Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, Does anybody know if it's possible to either view the icon files or extract the icon files from a OS X .icns file? Or, view or extract icon files from Windows .exe, .dll or resource files? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: U3 apps and rev
Richard Gaskin wrote: Andre Garzia wrote: [snip] A "U3" drive is essentially a flash drive partitioned into two parts: one read-only with the autorun.inf file and the Launchpad app, and the other partition the user writes to. Windows sees the locked partition, finds the autorun.inf, opens Launchpad, and for anyone who's never seen a CD do this in Windows it looks like magic. :) And there's a fault with the logic of this technology, and that is, that all Windows installations allow the autorun functionality. A lot of Windows users turn that feature off because they get so tired of Windows going through all the BS when all they want is to grab some backup files off of a CD. In my mind, you don't need any association with U3 at all, you have everything you need right in Rev Studio or Enterprise. In fact, you have it better than U3 since you are cross platform, you can offer a portable app that is cross platform and not limited to Windows. In fact, if you wanted, any one of you could come up with the software needed to do exactly what U3 is doing with the partitioning and auto launching, provided you wanted to even bother with such a thing. But! If you need to make a push into the Windows market, then maybe U3 might be of use. Anyway, that's my 1/100th of a euro worth. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT (slightly) ] Re: Please confirm your message
Alex Tweedly wrote: Every time I send a message to the use-rev list, I get an email such as the one below. It's from a list member who hasn't had the good grace to set up his spam filters to accept mail from the list that he (or she) joined. Seems to me it's kind of impolite to join a list and then expect every other contributor to take extra action to accommodate your spam filters. I haven't yet taken the action suggested, and in fact, I'm not ever going to take it, because it violates my idea of how things "should" work, so pretty soon, I'll get around to blacklisting "[EMAIL PROTECTED] domain" in my filters so I don't see these messages. Am I the only grumpy old man who doesn't like this ? Is it reasonable to ask the "guilty" party to fix their filters if they wish to remain on the list ? (Yes, I do realize he or she is probably not seeing this message :-) No, you're not the only one grumpy about that. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Global freeware laptop diary tool in REV
Mark Schonewille wrote: Dear Garrett and Bill, Maybe you and everyone else on this list remember that Kresten asked you for your opinions. Have you told Kresten how bad the interface really is in your view? Also, my impression is that one needs to look just a little bit further than the interface. The idea behind it is very nice and it might help people change their lives. I also know that for researchers, the interface is the least important thing. Researchers want to collect data and don't have time to be bothered by something silly like an interface. (Even though as a software developers and researcher, I know that good interfaces help collecting accurate data). Now, I agree that the interface needs some severe adjustments and I expect Kresten and his team to work on this in the future. However, I think that the way Garrett and Bill critisize this work is indeed a bit harsh. I know that Kresten is fully aware of the problem, but if you're a scientist, it may be a little difficult to pay equal attention to functionality and looks. Perhaps, as a member of this great Revolution community, you could help him? After my email I did attempt to look further into the program. The whole glyph idea just doesn't work for me. I'm just not able to associate the glyphs in my mind to functions of a program. Of course we're all accustomed to visual representations of cut, copy, paste and the sorts, but this is just too much glyph to mind processing for me. The gui might also have a major play in this problem since the gui is far more distracting than the glyphs themselves. It's too hard to concentrate on the representations when the gui is screaming at you like that. I also think that the whole idea is (IMO) bad since it will require users to think more upon the what the glyphs represent than thinking of what they want to convey from their mind to the program itself. There's just too much involved for the task that it's suppose to handle. If my previous email was considered harsh, I'm glad I didn't say what I really wanted to say. I wanted to be helpful with that last email, but hey, I tried. Don't shoot me for at least trying. -Garrett "Rush Rush, Straight Up, Opposites Attract" ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ANN: Global freeware laptop diary tool in REV
Greetings, I don't want this to come across as being harsh on this program, but I did see some things that really turn me off in a program. The interface is a big thing with me. So right now my focus is on the gui of the program. The initial screen of this program really turned me off. There was a mix of 3d buttons and then flat buttons. Some flashing and some not. Some text going off the buttons. Buttons that are square, buttons that have rounded ends. And no consistence with placements and dimensions of the buttons. Then I open the diary section, and again, there are many gui issues. Elements overlapping other elements, mix of different styles and colors of buttons, different fonts used on buttons of the same sections, and no consistence with the dimensions and placements of buttons and other elements. Calendar is a mix of fonts and has all the same gui issues as already noted. Addresses, ditto. The diurnal Glyph sections looks well organized compared to the other sections I've seen so far, but suffers from edit field alignment problems, and dimension issues also. Some of the numbered labels are focusable with focus border, and a few have the 3d border instead of 2 pixel colored border. And that's as far as I will go on this. I'm probably over picky about the interface of programs, or expect too much of them. And contrary to belief that people don't judge a book by it's cover... They Do! If your program looks crappy, then the user is going to assume that the code that runs the program is crappy too. I feel bad for bringing this up because it looks like you put a lot of time and effort into this. But the interface is going to kill any hope of this program being taken seriously. I'm really kind of bad when it comes to giving constructive criticism of something, because I'm not very good with using words and end up insulting someone. Please do not take this as anything other than someone trying to help you by pointing out some problems. Best regards, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ubuntu Linux - fun with fonts
Richmond Mathewson wrote: I may be repeating a well-known fact - even if that be so, it should bear repeating: I recently authored a silly little stack for kids to type words into fields on one of my Macs; set the standard font size in the fields to 36 . . . nothing mind-blowing popped them on my Ubuntu boxes up at the language school and experience a lovely case of shrinking fonts I had to set the font (vera bitstream something-or-other) for each field - then the text size was restored: And the fonts ain't pretty in Rev under linux either since there is no antialias support for fonts on Rev's linux gui library, err, at least this is true for 2.6.1 of Rev. :-( -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: open a palette window over a modal window under OS 9
Robert Brenstein wrote: Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Chris, This is not bug. In fact, I am very happy that this works properly in Mac OS 9. There is no workaround that is practible and complies with Apple's GUI rules. In every operating system, an application should halt while a modal dialog is open, until the dialog closes. I suggest you just accept that the Help window is not available, as Mac OS 9 users would be surprised if they could access the Help window while a modal dialog is open. They would consider it a bug in your software. Ok, sounds logical to me, but, is it possible for Chris to change the mode of the modal stack to non-modal and change the palette stack to modal until the palette stack is dismissed and then set that stack back to modal after the palette is dismissed? -Garrett Yes, Chris can try shuffling modes. However, I once needed to display some help info from a modal stack and if I recall correctly, I simply displayed another modal stack, which showed on top of the other modal stack. Closing it, returned control properly to the other modal. This was several releases of Rev ago, but should still work the same. I think that would be the way to go. I've used that before myself. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: open a palette window over a modal window under OS 9
Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Chris, This is not bug. In fact, I am very happy that this works properly in Mac OS 9. There is no workaround that is practible and complies with Apple's GUI rules. In every operating system, an application should halt while a modal dialog is open, until the dialog closes. I suggest you just accept that the Help window is not available, as Mac OS 9 users would be surprised if they could access the Help window while a modal dialog is open. They would consider it a bug in your software. Ok, sounds logical to me, but, is it possible for Chris to change the mode of the modal stack to non-modal and change the palette stack to modal until the palette stack is dismissed and then set that stack back to modal after the palette is dismissed? -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revCacheGeometry - Working in 2.6.1 or not?
Rev 2.6.1 I change the height of a field and then issue the revCacheGeometry command right after that, then I resize my stack and the field pops back to it's previous height and continues with resizing as it would have prior to the change of height. Does the revCacheGeometry work at all in 2.6.1? I should note that this is while working in the IDE. I have not tried this with a standalone yet. Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Webcam and Rev?
Rev 2.6.1 Is it possible in Rev 2.6.1 to access usb or serial webcams? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Linux installation
Richard Gaskin wrote: I'd like to make an installer for Linux versions of my app which handles the basics: - Puts the application in its own folder - Puts a shortcut to the app in the Start menu - Assigns appropriate file types to the app - Assigns icons for the app and its documents When I went fishing for this info a couple years ago, it seemed each desktop manager had their own way of doing these things, with little if any consistency between them. What's involved in making one installer file that works with most common Linux distros today? This installer will be made with Rev, so as much as I appreciate any tips about third-party installers it's essential to my workflow that I roll my own (I have an end-to-end automated build system). The location of your app can be /usr/bin or usr/home/username/yourapp Of course /usr/bin will require password to be able to be installed. Sudo or su will get you through that (ask the user for the password in advance.) Their menu specs are here: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fmenu_2dspec For more specs linux related: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards Here are some locations found for shortcuts on linux: /usr/share/applications /usr/share/applications/kde /usr/share/gnome/apps <- some sub dirs with shortcuts /usr/lib/menu <- text config files for shortcuts /usr/share/menu <- text config files for shortcuts /etc/menu Setting up a menu entry is still iffy if you ask me, but if you stick with the freedesktop specs, you're more likely to have a working menu entry since most distro's are adopting it. Otherwise, as you already know, there's a mess when it comes to the shortcuts. Gnome used it's own location, KDE another, and all the other WM's probably have their own location also. :-( For file types, I don't remember at the moment. I don't believe there is a way to actually assign an icon to an executable in any of the window managers. At least I didn't see of any way under KDE or Gnome, just the shortcuts and menu entries have the icons. And I can't remember how to assign a specific icon to associated files at the moment. Been a while since I mucked around the innards of a linux system. Personally, I think the menu shortcuts are still the only major issue you will run into. And imo I'd setup shortcuts in the KDE, Gnome and freedesktop locations to insure that you get most, if not all of the users. The other issue might be, what the equivalents of sudo and su are on other flavors of linux. I know sudo and su are on debian, but not sure about the others. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Players and Long Filenames
J. Landman Gay wrote: Alex Tweedly wrote: Garrett Hylltun wrote: I'd use iTunes, but iTunes is too much for a simple task of just playing an mp3. It's great for managing my iPod or managing playlists. But ya can't just drop a song and go without iTunes adding it to the library. OK, it's not actually drag-n-drop, but you could just right-click / Open With ... / QT Player One extra mouse action (plus you need to hit the space bar to make it play.) You might even be able to set the default action for mp3 to be play with QT Player - but that's beyond my level of Mac knowledge ... It is even easier than that in OS X. Just set your Finder window view to "column" and when you select a QT-compatible file, a teeny little QuickTime controller appears and you can play the file from right in the Finder. You don't even have to open it. Well I'll be! You are so very correct, it sure does do that doesn't it. :-) Problem Solved! :-) Thanks a bunch! -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Players and Long Filenames
Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Garrett Hylltun wrote: Much appreciate all the information and efforts on this from everyone. It does explain the problems I've been having making an MP3 Player for myself. I believe that this isn't just a dragData issue either, as I've had problems with trying to load files into the "player" with long file names on OS X. Well nix the MP3 player for me. Garrett: Maybe hope is not completely lost. Using long file names with players has been an issue for some time. If you look in the archives, there are some mentions of techniques for addressing the problems: I appreciate this. But this isn't a mission critical task. It was just a whim. I've been wanting a simple drag and drop MP3 player for when I rip my cd's. Just wanted to be able to drag the new mp3 and drop it on a player and have it play so I could make sure the song was ripped properly. I have looked for a simple drag and drop mp3 player for OS X, but only found one, but it runs from the dock and I didn't want a dock app. I'd use iTunes, but iTunes is too much for a simple task of just playing an mp3. It's great for managing my iPod or managing playlists. But ya can't just drop a song and go without iTunes adding it to the library. [snip] It's a great testament to the community where the contributions of various folks come together to create solutions. We may not have a complete solution yet, but still, nice job guys. :-) I agree. :-) -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: dragData["files"] problem
Much appreciate all the information and efforts on this from everyone. It does explain the problems I've been having making an MP3 Player for myself. I believe that this isn't just a dragData issue either, as I've had problems with trying to load files into the "player" with long file names on OS X. Well nix the MP3 player for me. :-( Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
dragData["files"] problem
Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, I've run into a bit of an odd thing that I can't figure out. I have a file with the following path: /Users/garrett/Desktop/My Music/Metal Rules/Alice In Chains - Man in the box.mp3 But when I drag and drop it on my app I get the following instead: /Users/garrett/Desktop/My Music/Metal Rules/Alice In Chains - Man#88B1F.mp3 Is there a character length limit on incoming file names for the dragData["files"]? Here's the code I am using: on dragEnter set the acceptDrop to true end dragEnter on dragDrop if the dragData = empty then exit dragDrop else put dragData["files"] into varDroppedFile --answer varDroppedFile put number of lines of varDroppedFile into varFileCount if varFileCount > 1 then put the first line of varDroppedFile into varDroppedFile end if set the itemdel to "." put the last item of varDroppedFile into varFileExt if varFileExt is "aif" or varFileExt is "m4a" or varFileExt is "mp3" or varFileExt is "wav" then subNewFileToPlay varDroppedFile end if end if end dragDrop Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
libeay32.dll and ssleay32.dll
Rev 2.6.1 Studio / OS X Greetings, Working on the same program here for months now, but tonight all of a sudden when I compile a Windows exe from OS X, libeay32.dll and ssleay32.dll are now showing up in the output folder. I didn't add any new code, just moved a couple of lines of code down about 50 lines. What are these dll files for? And, any reason they would need to be with a windows exe? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Use emulated look for app permanently
Thank you Sean, That did the job :-) -Garrett Sean Shao wrote: on startup you can set the "lookAndFeel" (i believe that's the command) look in the dictionary _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Use emulated look for app permanently
J. Landman Gay wrote: Garrett Hylltun wrote: Rev 2.6.1 / Linux Greetings, Is it possible to permanently use one of the emulated "look & feel" themes in a standalone rev app? That motif is just so ugly that I'd rather use the Windows emulated look all the time for any Linux app I make. Try setting the "lookandfeel" property to either "windows 95" or "macintosh". This is a global property that affects the entire environment. I haven't actually tried it in a standalone but it is worth a test. I did try that. But it doesn't stick with the standalone :-( Which amazed me since I've seen several people ask how to get the look & feel emulation to not stick with their standalones. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Hue, Saturation and Value question
Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, Does anyone know what the math equations are behind getting the Saturation and Value of a color? H, maybe I should elaborate more. I have sliders setup for RGB, and I actually have figured out how to setup a slider for Hue, but I can't figure out how to code some sliders for Saturation and Value. Does anyone have any info on this topic? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Use emulated look for app permanently
Hi Judy, Well, I don't mean the title bar and resize, just the gui elements that are actually affected when we use the look & feel emulation in Rev itself. Whether it's Gnome or KDE, the title bar and resize stuff is all fine, it's just that ugly motif look that comes with using the linux engine in Rev that's a bummer. Using the Windows emulated or Mac OS Platinum emulated looks far better than the Motif. Thanks, -Garrett Judy Perry wrote: Hi Garrett, I think the only thing you can do is take screenshots of the various look'n'feel elements and paste them in individually, scripting each part that's supposed to do something (e.g., maximize/minimize/close elements, etc.). I don't know how you'd handle resizing, though. Maybe by making the overall window look'n'feel larger than the stack's size and script movement of the resizing handle. Judy On Sat, 20 May 2006, Garrett Hylltun wrote: Rev 2.6.1 / Linux Greetings, Is it possible to permanently use one of the emulated "look & feel" themes in a standalone rev app? That motif is just so ugly that I'd rather use the Windows emulated look all the time for any Linux app I make. [snip] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Use emulated look for app permanently
Rev 2.6.1 / Linux Greetings, Is it possible to permanently use one of the emulated "look & feel" themes in a standalone rev app? That motif is just so ugly that I'd rather use the Windows emulated look all the time for any Linux app I make. Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Compressing Rev Compiled Apps?
Greetings, Has anyone ever compressed rev compiled apps with UPX or any other executable compressor? I tried the latest UPX on a rev windows exe, and the rev made exe didn't agree with being compressed by UPX. At least that is using default settings with UPX. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Get object name under mouse cursor?
Mark Schonewille wrote: Garrett, put the short name of the mouseControl put the long name of the mouseControl put the id of the mouseControl Mark Thank you Mark :-) -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Get object name under mouse cursor?
Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, Is there a way to get the name of an object under the mouse cursor? I saw "mouseControl", but it gives the number of the object. I don't know how to compare that to a list of objects on my stack and get the name. Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Get color of clicked area on image? [Solved]
Garrett Hylltun wrote: Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, I have a small image that represents a customized color palette on my card. Now I want to be able to click on that image and get the color of the area clicked. Is that possible in Rev Studio 2.6.1? Thanks, -Garrett Ok, now this is really getting on my nerves! Why is it that I search the docs for something, don't find it, ask on the list, and then right after I send the question to the list that I find the freaking answer! LOL! "mouseColor"!!! Arrgggh!!! :-) And I even double checked the docs before I asked the question. Well, at least I did find the answer to my question. :-) Thanks Anyway, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Get color of clicked area on image?
Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, I have a small image that represents a customized color palette on my card. Now I want to be able to click on that image and get the color of the area clicked. Is that possible in Rev Studio 2.6.1? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
import snapshot [Solved]
Garrett Hylltun wrote: Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, Does anyone know if it's possible to tell the "import snapshot" command to place the resulting snapshot into an already existing image on the card, instead of creating a new image and dumping it in the center of the card? Thanks in advance, -Garrett Figured out that I needed to use "export snapshot" instead. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
import snapshot
Rev 2.6.1 / OS X Greetings, Does anyone know if it's possible to tell the "import snapshot" command to place the resulting snapshot into an already existing image on the card, instead of creating a new image and dumping it in the center of the card? Thanks in advance, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Field modified function?
Rev 2.6.1 OS X Greetings, Browsed the docs for this one but didn't find anything... Is there a function that tells me if the text in an field has been changed by the user? This is needed for a multi lined field that will contain large amounts of text. So keeping a copy of the text in another field or variable may not be viable. Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: CSV and REV?
Stephen Barncard wrote: It's not a Mac thing. Filemaker has been a cross-platform application for years.. Stephen Barncard wrote: FILEMAKER (PRO OR OTHERWISE) FMP ? Shows ya what a newb to MacOS I am! 8-) Sorry, just never heard of it until I moved over to the Mac. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: CSV and REV?
Stephen Barncard wrote: FILEMAKER (PRO OR OTHERWISE) FMP ? Shows ya what a newb to MacOS I am! 8-) -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: CSV and REV?
Richard Gaskin wrote: If you absolutely must support CSV, please consider joining a handful of us curmudgeons on a mission to save the world from the unnecessary horror that is CSV: support for reads, but not for writes. Do I get an official membership card and all? Decoder Ring too! :-) The last thing the world needs is yet another app keeping that half-baked format alive. :) Yeah, but it's like poking someone in the side with your finger and annoying the hell out of them. ;-) Actually, just working on this for myself, not for a public consumption app. I have a lot of csv files from days gone by, and as time goes on I'll be updating older apps to use tab delimited instead of comma. It was a crappy idea when it was created (how did it even survive more than two minutes in the first meeting where it was proposed?), and it just gets more self-evidently crappy every year that passes with more and more variant implementations polluting the datasphere. I'll never understand why the comma was used as the delimiter in the first place. I can think of several characters that would have better served the purpose. Was there ever an RFC or anything for CSV? I have an app that reads CSV but will export only in tab-delimited format -- and it will use the most sensible form I've seen yet: FileMaker Pro's, in which in-data returns are gracefully accommodated as ASCII 11, and any quotes in the file are only part of the data, never a delimiter. Sounds so sweet and logical. But doesn't that make things too easy? ;-) Not long ago I had an opportunity to help contribute to a specification for a format for affiliate data feeds, and at its heart it's the FMP tab format. [snip] FMP ? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: CSV and REV?
Alex Tweedly wrote: Not a tutorial as such - but there was a long and fruitful discussion that can be found in the archives (June and July 2004, under the subject line "Another Revolution Success Story"). My summary : If possible and practical, use TSV instead (tab separated values). If it needs to be CVS, then find this thread in the archives. There's code in there to handle the more common cases, and there was some discussion on just how weird and varied the different versions of "csv" can be. If you want to skip the discussion and go straight to the code - see Richard Gaskin's posting in that thread on July 1st 2004 Greetings Alex, Thanks for all the info. Yes, I'd prefer to simply use TAB delimited files since it's much easier to deal with in Rev, but I will still need to implement the ability to open and save COMMA delimited files too. And it sounds like everything I need is in those threads, so thanks a bunch :-) -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
CSV and REV?
Rev 2.6.1 Greetings, I'm trying to setup a small CSV editor. I was using the itemdel and setting it to a comma, but that's not good enough for working with CSV files since most use a quote comma quote separation which allows commas to be used within the item. In another language I used, I was able to set the item delimiter to more than one character which worked wonderfully for CSV files, but I tried using three characters as the itemdel and that's a no go. Does anyone know if there's a tutorial floating round for using CSV files in Rev? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Add buttons to group already created - Solved
Garrett Hylltun wrote: Rev 2.6.1 Greetings, Is it possible to create a group first using Never mid! :-) create button "buttonname" in group "groupname" Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Add buttons to group already created?
Rev 2.6.1 Greetings, Is it possible to create a group first using create group "newgroupnamehere" and then add some buttons to it after the group has been created? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Windows, Shortcut, Strange.........
Rev 2.6.1 Greetings, I was putting a project through it's paces before sending it to the beta team, when I encountered something really strange. I used an installer to install my program to Windows, setup a shortcut and uninstaller and then I ran the program by clicking the shortcut. Program launches just fine, but when I type a word in an edit box and hit the enter key, or return key, my program did not respond. I have the messages set. But also, I have a button that will send to the same code that the enter and return keys would send to, and again, nothing, as if the code in the stack just didn't exist. Closing the program and launching it again, either via the shortcut or directly double clicking on the program exe in the program files directory resolves the problem. Everything works as intended. This does not occur on OS X, and I haven't tried Linux, but I suspect it won't happen there either. Has anyone ever encountered such a strange thing like this before on Windows? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stop IDE from executing stack when opening stack?
David Burgun wrote: Hi, I insert the following code into the preOpenStack handler: if (the environment = "development") and (the tool = "pointer tool") then exit preOpenStack end if This has the effect of stopping the message paths from executing IF the stack is being run with the IDE in "Pointer" mode, that way you can look at your Script and make changes. To actually run the script, you close the stack, put the IDE into "Browse" mode and then relaunch the stack. Dave, That's a sweet nugget there... Thanks a bunch for sharing that. :-) -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stop IDE from executing stack when opening stack?
Robert Brenstein wrote: "messages" button. It does the same as "lock messages". Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you! :-) I was completely freaking out over this as I have put weeks into this and thought I was going to have to start all over again. Thanks, -Garrett When programming such potentially problematic actions, it is usually a good idea to program an escape. Like when holding the control and shift key down disables the check or disables executing the quit. Or more complicated: if the check fails and alt is down, beep and wait for key input. One specific key aborts the quit, others make it continue normally. You get the idea :) Originally I did have such a routine in place. All was working just fine until last night when I dumped my harddrive and re-installed OS X (Spring Cleaning). Then today I get back to work on my project and this happened. Turns out a duplicate control somehow got on my stack and throwing off the entire program. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stop IDE from executing stack when opening stack?
Björnke von Gierke wrote: On Apr 26 2006, at 21:49, Garrett Hylltun wrote: ... How do I get the Rev Studio IDE to not run the preOpenStack and openStack when I first open the stack in the Rev IDE? ... In the ide, there's the toolbar, and on that you can check/uncheck the "messages" button. It does the same as "lock messages". Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you! :-) I was completely freaking out over this as I have put weeks into this and thought I was going to have to start all over again. Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Stop IDE from executing stack when opening stack?
Rev 2.6.1 Greetings, How do I get the Rev Studio IDE to not run the preOpenStack and openStack when I first open the stack in the Rev IDE? In my preOpenStack I have some code that closes the stack if certain conditions are not met, and it's gone stray on me and I can't fix it because the IDE runs preOpenStack when I merely just open the stack in the ide :-( Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Making custom skins for your app
Gimp works fine if you're already familiar with larger graphic programs of this nature, and also it's easy on the wallet, as in open source. Layers friendly, alpha channel and transparencies capable. Plugins capable etc... Got just about everything you might need. http://www.gimp.org/ I've been using it for years for just about all my graphic needs. If I don't use that, I revert back to my ancient PaintShop Pro 5.? on Windows. -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Determine if stack is maximized?
Rev 2.6.1 Greetings, I found in the docs how to determine if a stack is minimized(iconic) by checking it's "mode" to see if it's "12", but saw nothing for determining if my stack is maximized. Does anyone know how to find this out? Thanks in advance, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Making custom skins for your app
Josh Mellicker wrote: I strongly recommend Fireworks over Photoshop for GUI creation. Happen to have a link for the Fireworks site? Thanks, -Garrett ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
