Revolution at MacWorld
Dear List members, Revolution will have its biggest presence ever at MacWorld San Francisco (5th-9th Jan). We'll be showing off Revolution at booth number 935 and we would love to see as many of you there as can come! Don't forget also on the 9th and 10th will be the first ever Revolution Seminar and its shaping up to be a hugely fun and exciting event: www.runrev.com/macworldseminar.html If any of you live locally or will be attending and have products made with Rev you'd like to bring along and evangalise on the booth, please contact me directly asap, [EMAIL PROTECTED], and we'll see what we can arrange. We've already got some great offers (can't wait to try out If Monks Had Macs). Looking forward to seeing you there! Warm regards Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Screenshots for boxed Revolution
Dear Listees, Runtime Revolution is looking for exciting, dramatic, breath-taking, comical Gee, that looks COOL! screen shots of applications made with Revolution. If you have a product that you'd like to see on a boxed version of Revolution, please send us a screen shot, Product Name, a one- or two-sentence description of what the product does, and your website. Deadline: IMMEDIATELY Please respond directly to me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], NOT to the list... Warm regards Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Seminar
Are you planing to video tape it and post it (at least an edited version of the best parts) on the RR website ? I'm sure all the poor guys who can't make it to SF would apreciate that... It's certainly on the cards, but I can't make any promises at this stage, Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Seminar
Dear Listee, I'm delighted to tell you that the first ever Revolution Seminar will be held in San Francisco, in association with MacWorld. Here's what we have planned: A 2 day seminar on the 9th and 10th of January. A positive Revfest of goodies including sessions by Kevin Miller, Richard Gaskin, Dan Shafer, Geoff Canyon and other illustrious Revolutionaries. Sessions to cover such hot topics as database implementation, table objects and the report generator, using and making plugins, net applications, the state of the Revolution and a session where you have your say on where you'd like us to go next. Hands on experience with the Revolution team. Freebies, prizes and special offers on Revolution licenses and Dan Shafer's book. Meet the author and get your copy of Software at the Speed of Thought autographed! Lunch and coffee breaks in a beautiful hotel included. The venue for this will be the luxurious Argent Hotel, just a step away from the Moscone center and a great place to stay for your trip. All this for $250 for both days, or $150 for one day only. Book your place now, space is limited so first come first served... Price goes up on 15th December. Buy now from our online store: http://secure.runrev.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGYStore_Code=RROS; Category_Code=SMR I look forward to seeing you there! Warm regards Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
New Linux Engine
Dear listees, Just to let you know, we have rebuilt the engine for linux for 2.1.2. There was a problem with the previous engine. If you downloaded this engine before midday today (GMT) please go and download it again and replace your existing engine. Apologies for any inconvenience, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution Seminar?
Dear listees, We are considering holding a paid Revolution seminar, in conjunction with attending MacWorld in San Francisco in January. If such a thing were to come about, how many of you would be interested/able to attend? What topics would you like to see discussed? If you think you would be likely to attend, please send an email to me, personally, NOT to the list, [EMAIL PROTECTED], with seminar in the subject line. If you have an idea for a topic you'd like to see addressed, feel free to post to the list, it should be an interesting discussion. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.1.2 announced
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: Will there be a version localized for Californians?: Dude, these warez are way cool. Full-on rockin' power like a south swell under your board. Check it -- you'll be so stoked. Dude. (translation: Mr. Gaskin, I wholeheartedly agree with your amusing and yet most eloquent post to the list.) Och noo, be reasonable laddie. That would mean we'd be having to rewrite Revolution in broad scots too, ye ken. For why wad we no be having that, an we translated to californian? It's a braw, bricht nicht the nicht laddie... Scots wah hey and other unintelligable noises, Heather Regards, Scott Rossi -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2.1.2 announced
Dear listees, As some of you have so observantly already noticed, we are now shipping 2.1.2, final. We've addressed many minor and not so minor issues with this version, and hope you find it an improvement on 2.1. This is a maintenance release, free to all valid 2.1 license holders. You can download from the usual url: http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/downloads.html Some of the areas addressed include: *Support for Polish language in Unicode functions * Improved OS X compatibility * Better support for older versions of Mac OS (pre-8.5) and OS X (pre-Jaguar 10.2) * Improvements in the script editor and debugger Download and enjoy! Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes
DROP DEAD Would you like all list members to die or one in particular? At the moment I'm having trouble fulfilling your request due to it's ambiguous nature. Please let me know who kill and your preferred method. Are there any other people that are trying to help you that you would also like assassinated? On receiveInsultingMessage switch case apology received accept apology end incident break case incident not repeated ignore incident break case incident repeated inform moderator end switch End receiveInsultingMessage -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Losing the amateur
There are two sentiments bouncing around here - one of a personal ownership of the 'revolution', snip The other group, fondly referred to here as the profit motive group, sees this all as a software tool whose purpose is to enable one to generate income. snip Some of those here have a foot in both camps, as does the company. snip Hi John, Like others, I thought this was an exceptionally well balanced exposition of the current situation. I just wanted to say a few things myself. First off, this is a great community. No, a Really Great community. You, the users, and especially the users who contributor so freely to this list, are a vital part of the Revolution. I know I'm speaking for everyone in the company when I say we recognise the debt we owe you all. It's a partnership, always has been a partnership, and will continue to be a partnership, even though we're growing so fast that sadly I no longer know all or even most of our users by name... It's inevitable that as Revolution grows, we become less seat of the pants and more corporate. However, this has to be a Good Thing. We will have better systems, more staff, faster response times and an end to problems such as the horrendously delayed manual printing (yes, they really are coming, no, they aren't mythical, and yes, I'm very sorry for the incredible delays). Everyone should experience a consistently better level of overall service. Whenever we make big changes, to licensing or support, or interface or whatever, we try very hard to support our existing loyal customer base. We listen to feedback, and though we cannot always give everyone everything they want (especially as this is often contradictory ;)) we pay attention and make the best choices we can in the interests of the most people we can. One thing that is in everyone's interest, is that the Revolution thrives. I'm genuinely happy to say that the future has never looked brighter. We've a great, enthusastic team, a great user base, and a great future. Onward! Heather Taking off customer services manager hat and examining it, then putting it on again. It seems to fit... Peace, John Flowing Thought Educational Solutions === -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Software at the Speed of Thought - ebook imminent
Dear listees, I'm happy to be able to announce that we go live with volume one of Dan Shafer's book Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought on Monday, November the 3rd. This will be an ebook available for immediate purchase and download from our brand new Revolution Press webstore. The printed version will follow in approximately four weeks time. We're very excited about this partnership, we hope you find the book as useful, exciting and Revolutionary as we do. Warm Regards Heather Listmom, webmistress and publisher -- . Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Waiting for PlayCommandAgent for Windows
Message: 11 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:04:21 -0700 From: Ken Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Waiting for PlayCommandAgent for Windows To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hello all, Jonathyn Bet'nct is sending a new PlayCommandAgent for Windows. Just like the one for Mac, this will allow you to do HC-like music notation, only for Windows. He's not a member of this list, so I hope it gets here OK. Heather, is that OK with you? I know there are some here who have been wanting this. Sure, I've just been and approved it. Sorry you had to wait :) Regards, Heather Ken N. -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 131 7184334 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Testing new server upgrade for HTML
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:38:15 -0600 From: Dar Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Testing new server upgrade for HTML To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 04:35 PM, Jim Hurley wrote: This is a test of the emergency HTML broadcast system. Tune to your ... This sentence was formatted in bold face. I got plain text. This can be great for those who have trouble turning off HTML. Yes, that's correct. The new list software now strips out all that gibberish and html formatting, so you needn't worry about it any more. :) Regards, Heather Dar Scott -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 131 7184334 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Welcome back!
Greetings again, list members! Great to see you all again. My sincere apologies for not having warned you all that the lists were about to go down - they went offline a day earlier than scheduled and my message informing you never got through. The good news is the server upgrade includes some great new upgrades to the list software. Among them is the option to obscure email addresses when they are presented on list web pages, even when in the text of the message. This is turned on, and I wait with interest to see the effect. During the transfer it is possible that some of your list settings may have become unset or altered. You may want to go and check your settings and make sure everything is to your liking. You can do this here: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution You have all been assigned new passwords. To obtain your password, enter your subscribed email address in the box at the bottom of the page and click on unsubscribe or edit options. If you have any problems you know my address :) If you get an authentication failed message when you try to access the web interface, (and you've checked and re-entered your password), wait an hour or so and try again - it takes a little while for the new server address to propagate around the world, your ISP may not have received it yet. If you sent a message to the list between Thursday 9th October and today, Friday 17th of October, I regret it must be recorded as missing in action. Please send again (unless it was to ask what had happened to the lists...) The bug database is still offline. This should be back up on Monday, and its return to service will complete the entire operation. Once again, we apologise for any inconvenience, but the server upgrade has been well worthwhile, and is part of a far reaching program of improvements we're putting in place to make our services to you the best we possibly can. Warm Regards, Heather Your local and international listmom -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 131 7184334 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.1 availability for other unix flavors
I clicked the link below since it was announced that Rev 2.1 has been released, but in the engines directory there are only files for Linux or Windows. Heather wrote: You can download it from http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/downloads.html The instructions on the download page says to download the distribution for unix, then get the engine for the specific platform. I need the file Iris.gz to get this running on an SGI Irix machine. When will it be available? http://runrev.com/revolution/downloads/engines/2.1/Iris.gz The unix distributions will be available in the next few days. They are not up yet. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Release Candidate 1 Available -- Special Offers End Soon
I don't think we have any plans to withdraw this offer in the short or medium term, but in the long term obviously, we are likely to stop supporting the subscription model in favour of the new licensing. You should be pretty safe to wait until December, but if we do have any plans to discontinue the subscription renewals, we will certainly tell everybody and give you a last chance to renew. Hmm, now this is confusing. You say that your new licensing model is not subscriptions?! What is the difference? Are we now required to maintain valid license at all times? So far, we were allowed to renew even if it was expired. Maybe I'm using confusing terminology. What I mean by the subscription model is the kind of licensing system we've had where you buy a license for a year, and get all upgrades free during that year (and before anybody asks, no, that doesn't mean your Revolution will stop working after a year, it just means you don't get any more free upgrades). Enterprise still works that way: buy an Enterprise license or renewal and it includes all upgrades for a year. However, Studio and Express are now single version licenses. You buy a license for the shipping version of Revolution only, and purchase further upgrades as and when you need them. Actually, to be strictly accurate, you get one free upgrade with Studio, and then you have to start paying for them. Express gives you no upgrades at all. We are maintaining the subscription model for the moment, for existing customers only, who hold licenses to 2.0.1 or earlier. The question of renewal after expiry is a different issue. To date we have never required that you maintain your license at all times, and I can't see us doing that. We'd prefer you to renew within a reasonable time interval of course... Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: General license questions
I have some general license questions. I hope it is OK to ask general questions here as others might elaborate on the questions, supply interpretations and also appreciate answers. Seems reasonable to me. 1. The new license table has a Create applications for column. I assume that means standalones and all licenses can build stacks for all platforms. Is that correct? Yes it means standalones, but no, Express can't build for all platforms. It only builds applications for the platform you license it for. Other licenses all build for all platforms. 2. I assume that WIN32 for the time being is one platform. Is that correct? Yes. 3. Are printed manuals included in Enterprise renewals? No, renewal doesn't include manuals. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2.0.3 release info
Just a follow up on last nights post. The 2.0.3 release has the following items addressed since 2.0.2: *Fixed issues with revdb external library *Fixed issues with revxml external library *Fixed aspects of the user interface including libraries, menu bars, distribution builder and application overview *Stability improvements. *Fixed several other minor technical issues with version 2.0.2 Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Release Candidate 1 Available -- Special Offers End Soon
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:26:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Release Candidate 1 Available -- Special Offers End Soon From: Dar Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 12:14 PM, Heather Williams wrote: Dar: The ability to renew early without license period penalty is great! What do we need to do to make sure that works right? Well, you shouldn't have to do anything, since I will have your record, look up when you expire (er, I mean your license, goodness, don't want any valuable customers expiring) and generate your new license to run from the end of the old one. If you want to be doubly sure I don't miss the fact that you still have time on your old license, drop me an email when you order. If you want to switch to the new licensing, you can buy a new discounted license, but you will not then be able to switch back to the old model. I am a little confused, too. I received an email from support that my license was converted to Commercial Enterprise back on July 29. It also said, ...you are still bound by your previous license agreement. On the licensing page in the License Renewals table is this row: SBE - existing customers only | none | Renewal | $299 Does your statement above mean that Pro people can take advantage of that? Or is that an error? Is there a time limit on that? What do I miss besides support if I take the $299 option instead of the $399 renewal? Basically, I need to upgrade that page... The situation is this: Current Small Business Edition license holders can continue to renew on the old model, for $299, and get a modified Studio license that can author and build cross platform. They don't get the same database privileges as Enterprise users though. They continue to get upgrades for a year. OR they can switch to a pay per release model and buy a $49 upgrade to Studio. If they do this however, they can't go back to the subscription model. Current Professional license holders can also continue with the subscription model, for $299. For this they get an Enterprise level renewal, with full database access, but no support. They also have the option to buy an Enterprise renewal at $399, which includes 5 support incidents. Graham: I'm ashamed to say I still don't really understand this. I have now read the descriptions on the 'Revolution Editions' page and I am still a bit fuzzy. Personally, I need to maintain the multiplatform development and deployment option as long as I can afford it. Can I just wait till December (my normal renewal date) to optimise my cash flow, and still pay $299 to renew at Enterprise level (minus tech support) or is this offer likely to be withdrawn? I don't think we have any plans to withdraw this offer in the short or medium term, but in the long term obviously, we are likely to stop supporting the subscription model in favour of the new licensing. You should be pretty safe to wait until December, but if we do have any plans to discontinue the subscription renewals, we will certainly tell everybody and give you a last chance to renew. When I do renew, how can I get back onto a higher tech support level, supposing I'd want to? I see that Enterprise users get more tech support (10 incidents) in the first year than in subsequent years (5 incidents). So we have people with Enterprise-level licences potentially with 3 different levels of support. Well, you could choose the $399 option and get 5 technical support incidents. Or you could buy a support package, a full description of what we offer is available here: http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/support.html BTW in the 'Online Store' part of the RunRev web site (where I first looked for a definition of the different Editions), none of the terms such as 'Enterprise', 'Studio' etc are mentioned, although one can get at them indirectly via the Store Front, as suggested in the Store page. IMHO this could confuse new potential purchasers. Point taken. I'll try and address it soon. I hope my above statements go some way to clarifying the position. If not, please ask again... Cheers Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
licensing problem? [was Re: Revolution 2.0.3 now available]
Is there a licensing problem with this release? It won't accept my license that worked fine with 2.0.2 release. Not that I know of... yet :) Anybody else seeing this? If not, Alex could you write me off list and we'll figure out what's wrong, Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Strong language thread
Guys, this thread is now way way off topic and officially dead. Thanking you for your kind cooperation, please do not respond to this posting... Cheers Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Release Candidate 1 Available -- Special Offers End Soon
I am slightly confused. I have an old-style 'Revolution Pro' licence, and my renewal date is in December. Is there any advantage for me in using/taking up any of the special offers, or should I lie low and say nuffin? Professional license holders can renew on the old terms, for $299 and get a year's renewal (no tech support). If you renew early, your license will run from the end of your existing license. You will get an Enterprise level renewal. If you want to switch to the new licensing, you can buy a new discounted license, but you will not then be able to switch back to the old model. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Whassup With Version Numbers?
On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 07:10 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote: Hasn't someone reported that the update link is bogus and one needs to go directly to ftp? Check the list archive of past couple days. No, the link from the homepage is bogus (or was yesterday).. Precisely, thank you Alex. It's now fixed. There was a temporary filepath problem. Anyone who got the wrong version, or lost in a maze of 30 day trial pages, is now safe to go and download again. Apologies Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution 2.0.3 now available
Dear listees, We've now uploaded Revolution 2.0.3. This is purely a bug fix release and can be downloaded from the usual downloads page at: http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/downloads.html Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Using strong language on the lists
Dear listees, Please don't. Not just because it may cause offence and because I personally prefer a more moderate tone. It is a simple fact that using such language actually prevents not only your message, but the entire digest in which it appears, from reaching a number of list members. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you think it a symptom of a nanny state or heartily endorse such policies, many universities for example, have spam filtering in place which will bounce the entire list if certain words appear in it. I know, because these bounces end up in my inbox and add to my already extensive email backlog. So please, if you feel strongly about an issue, be creative. Use interesting adjectives. Consider the wording that will get your message across most effectively. Let your email simmer overnight. And don't use the kind of language that will get this list marked as potential porn. With kind regards to the community, Your listmom Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Upgrade: where to buy?
Looking at the bottom of the licensing page http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/licensing1.html I see Studio Upgrade from 2.0x to 2.1 $49 (which is an awesome price!), but I can find no buy button for these upgrade prices. If i go back to the home page and follow the link for pay for a license and then pick upgrades and crossgrades, I can find no reference to this $49 upgrade price. How do I purchase this? Thanks! Well... Since 2.1 isn't quite shipping yet, there isn't a product to buy it just yet. The price is up for your information, so that people can make informed decisions about which product to buy when. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution 2.1 Release Candidate now available
Dear Revolutionaries, We are happy to tell you that Revolution 2.1 Release Candidate is now available for download and testing. This should be relatively bug free but may still have minor glitches. If you find any, please do report them via Bugzilla: http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/bugzilla/ You can download the Release Candidate here: http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/downloads.html For a full description of improvements and fixes in this version, please see the readme file, the text of which is posted here: http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/latesttestversion.html Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: APPLE EXPO in PARIS
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:51:28 +0200 Subject: APPLE EXPO in PARIS From: Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Use Rev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Heather, I write this quesiton to the list because it can show interests for much Revolution users : Will you be present at the Apple Expo in Paris as previous year ?? If you mean me, personally, no I won't be attending this year. Whether Runtime will be there or not I think has not yet been decided. We'll certainly let the list know if we're going to attend, Regards, Heather Greetings. Yves COPPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
New engine for 2.1 beta on Windows
Dear folks, There is a new engine available for the current 2.1 beta on Windows only which fixes a problem with importing snapshots and backdrops. You can download it here: http://www.runrev.com/revolution/downloads/distributions/2.1/updates/ To use it, decompress it, and replace the existing revolution.exe file at the top level of your Revolution directory. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Plain text only please!
Just a reminder, and information for new list members. Please, if possible, only post in plain text, turn off your html formatting before posting to the list. It comes through as garbage for digest listees, wastes bandwith, and annoys the multitudes. And we don¹t want that do we? If you need help to do this, search the archives for lots of good information. Note that I did say if possible. There are a few circumstances where members simply can't post in plain text, and we don¹t want to lose your valuable contributions. But if you can turn off html, please do. Regards, Heather Beating the email backlog with your kind assistance in not sending me duplicate messages asking where the previous one went... I'm getting there folks, be right with you... -- Heather Williams ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Proposal - the use-revolution list
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 13:52:42 +1000 From: Sarah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Proposal - the use-revolution list To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's not strange at all. A mailing list comes to you and demands your attention. A message board sits there lurking 24/7, but unless you bother to check it, it generally won't remind you. This is my problem with a forum/message board/newsgroup. The list comes directly to my inbox and I can easily scan through the new items, discarding the threads that don't interest me and reading those that do. Most of the emails come during the Australian night, so I don't even have to wait for them to download :-) If I had to log in to a web site and click my way painfully through a series of links, I wouldn't read most of them and therefore would be in no position to respond. So please, whatever else is set up in parallel, don't drop the list! Just a note to say that we have no intention of dropping the list. This model works well for a large number of people. What, if anything, we set up in parallel, is open to debate. It's certainly possible that at some time in the future we will add a web forum. Regards, Heather Cheers, Sarah [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.troz.net/Rev/ -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Ressource unavailable (CGI capabilities)
Hi Erik, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is there for your general problems, andmy guess is that one person goes through these mails as they come in, and forwards them to the appropriate person. That is where installer problems and the 10-incidents package calls go to. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is there when we need to specifically talk to the listmom, webmistress or customer-relations-lady. So if you know you need her for a specific item, mail Heather directly, otherwise email support. At least that's my conclusion ;-) Thanks Jan! just to add a little to that, I deal with licensing issues also. If your support query is about licensing, it's going to end up in my inbox sooner or later. Other than that, couldn't have said it better myself. Cheers Heather Jan Schenkel. -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2.1 Beta now in public testing
Dear listees, As some of you may have noticed, Revolution Beta 2.1 is now available for testing from http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/latesttestversion.html Please remember this is a beta, and back up your stacks before using it. Bug reports should be made to our bugdatabase at http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/bugzilla/index.html Enjoy! Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Inexcusable? (Was Re: Rev 2.0.2 is availalble)
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:24:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Inexcusable? (Was Re: Rev 2.0.2 is availalble) From: Donald Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 02:24 PM, Alex Rice wrote: Yep I got mine. I'll append the message sans the unlock code. I don't see what the fuss is about. The message says exactly what is going on. Maybe the poster who thinks it is inexcusable has not yet got their message from RR? Alex, This was not the point of my original posting. By the way the poster who thinks it is inexcusable ( namely me ) has a name. ; ) In fact I had not yet received my unlock code. The point I was trying to make was that the information concerning what old license category would be replaced with which new category and at what price has not been forthcoming. Or has everyone else received that information by divine absorption as well. If Rev were the only tool required to do my job I guess I wouldn't give a flip. Truth is I need to stay within a fixed budget in order to be able to upgrade all the tools I require as well as perhaps new hardware. I don't appreciate being kept in the dark on this matter, makes for budget problems that I don't need. Gentlemen. I appreciate there is always room for improvement in the way we handle things. I'm sorry some of you are less than happy with the situation. Some of the blame for this rests with me, rather than Runtime collectively. I have missed some work due to personal issues, in addition to attending MacWorld, and this means many of you have not received individual responses yet regarding the new pricing policies. My backlog has reached monumental proportions, and however hard I try, I simply cannot answer 1000 emails in one day. We do care very much about our existing customers, and greatly appreciate the patience you have shown. If you have not yet received your new unlock code for 2.0.2, and you think you should have, I suggest that in order for me to fasttrack these enquires, you email me (again if you have already done so previously) with the subject line Missing New Unlock Code in the title of the email. Further information about upgrades for expired licensees will be forthcoming very shortly. Once again, my apologies. Regards, Heather Regards, Don -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Fix to distribution builder available
Dear listees, We have uploaded a fix to the 2.0.2 distribution builder, here: http://www.runrev.com/revolution/downloads/distributions/2.0/updates/ Please download this, unzip it, and place it in your components/tools directory inside Revolution. This will substantially enhance your ability to build standalones for OSX... It should also fix a few other issues with this release, such as unwanted personal preferences. Apologies for the inconvenience. We intend to use this directory in the future for patches and fixes, so it's worth bookmarking it and checking there periodically between releases, to see if we have uploaded anything for your comfort and convenience. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Update available for license.rev
Dear good folks, We have posted an update to the license stack for Revolution, since a few people are having trouble with the new codes. If you are having problems registering 2.0.2, go to the updates directory http://www.runrev.com/revolution/downloads/distributions/2.0/updates/ and download the appropriate license.rev file. Unzip it, rename it, and replace your existing license.rev file with it, to be found in the Revolution folder, on the top level directory. We have also updated the distribution builder fix, to account for a small remaining problem on the Windows platform. If you are still affected by a size issue on Windows you may want to go and download this latest fix, My warm regards to you all, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2.0.2 now available
Dear listees, Revolution 2.0.2 is now available for download from our regular download page at www.runrev.com/Revolution1/downloads.html This is a free upgrade to all existing customers. If you have an old style license, you should have received a new unlock code by email. If you have not yet received this or are having any problems with it please let us know off list. Thanks for your patience in this time of growth and change for the Revolution! Warm Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 4 and a bit mice......missing the point
what we need is an article that siezes one by the cough-cough-coughs and makes us really inspired. The MacUser review does not do that. It should be realised by Software reviewers that computers are no longer wierd, arcane machines that are tended by alchemists in pointy hats with 25 diplomas in funny computer languages: but tools that can, and should, be used by anybody with a drop of creativity in their bones to express themselves in a multitude of ways. :-) Welcome to the Revolution. Your enthusiasm is a warming thing. How about you try your hand at writing an article or some letters on Revolution and send them in to some magazines? And you could do some reviews on Versiontracker and Download.com if you feel like it. Wow; got a bit carried away there - but some of us do feel passion for software that allows us to go all artistic and try to dxrag some our sense of wonder screaming into the real world. Please, feel free. It's good to get inspired from time to time, in between hammering out kinks in the code. Regards, Heather Richmond Mathewson -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: read/write Palm DBs
BTW my e-mail account gets rapidly flodded with posts from this list. Wouldn't it be more comfortable to have a forum instead of a mailing list? Set your list preferences to digest. Then you will only get one or two messages a day, consisting of all the posts that have come in during the day. Much more manageable that way, Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WWDC news and pictures
But how come we only got to see the guys? What about a few photos of Jeanne Heather. Thanks Sarah. Unfortunately there don¹t seem to be any pictures at all of Jeanne, I'll have to get someone onto that. I'm not at WWDC - we can't all go you know, or who would be here to keep an eye on you lot? But I did find a pic with me in from the Macuser awards, and have posted it, for what it's worth. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Message for Joel Gillod
I'm sorry to use the list for this but... Joel, your ISP is blocking my emails as spam. Please could you either give me another email address to contact you on, or contact your ISP and ask them to allow mail from runrev.com? Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
WWDC news and pictures
Hi Guys! Just a note, to let you know that for once, I've managed to acquire and upload some pictures of the team in action at WWDC. Also a rather nifty video taken with the new iSight camera, if you're interested... www.runrev.com/Revolution1/news.html Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: list email address security
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:47:02 -0500 From: curry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: list email address security To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Filters are good, but preventing spam is just as legitimate and important as dealing with it when it happens. I'd be surprised if that were considered a controversial viewpoint! I understand your concerns, and I do have this matter on my to do list. I think the suggestion to implement a graphically displayed password as a front door to the archives should be relatively simple to implement. However, I have a very long to do list so you should expect some unavoidable delay before I can attend to this matter, Regards, Heather Curry -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] revclips: CLIPS external library for Revolution
C Language Integrated Production System CLIPS is a productive development and delivery expert system tool which provides a complete environment for the construction of rule and/or object based expert systems. Created in 1985, CLIPS is now widely used throughout the government, industry, and academia. http://www.ghg.net/clips/CLIPS.html -- Revolution is a multi-platform software development tool that enables developers to easily and quickly create powerful applications for OS X, classic Mac OS, Windows, Linux, and popular Unix systems... with native look and feel on all platforms. http://www.runrev.com/ -- revclips is an external (native code library) for using the CLIPS expert system software from Revolution. Using the external it's not necessary to call the CLIPS command line program with shell() calls, because the external loads the CLIPS environment and makes it available directly via transcript handlers and functions. Handlers implemented so far are: clipsInit clipsRun clipsEval clipsPrintRouter clipsClear clipsReset clipsBuild clipsAssertString clipsLoadFactsFromString clipsFacts revclips is written in C and available for Win32 and Mac OS 10 or newer. Linux and UNIX builds can be be made on request. If you are interested in helping test and develop this library, please contact me off list. Thanks, Alex This is cool Alex. Congratulations. Where can we look at this library? Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
New bug reporting database
Greetings! We're happy to tell you that we now have a new and improved bug reporting system, open to all. We now ask you to log bugs through our new bug database, available at http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/bugzilla/index.html Please take a minute to read all the information and instructions before submitting a bug. If you have previously submitted a bug report to [EMAIL PROTECTED], there is no need to enter it in this database - we already have it. If you have recently submitted a bug on 2.0.1 to this list, but not cc'd it to [EMAIL PROTECTED], we'd appreciate if you would resubmit to the new database. Bugs submitted to this list will no longer be registered by Runtime Revolution staff - we will be using the new bug database to track bugs and give you feedback. We hope that you will appreciate this new development as much as we will, and look forward to improving our service to you, Warm regards Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Applications for WWDC
Dear listees, I'm doing the whip round for applications made in Revolution to feature at WWDC. If anyone has a shipping program they're proud of, that isn't already on the Made with Rev pages, firstly, why not? Get over there and upload it! and secondly, email me a description off list for consideration and we'll pick the best to feature at WWDC. The made with Rev pages are at: http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/developercentral/madewithrev.html Warm regards to all, Heather P.S. Don't forget, I'm counting the votes tomorrow for listee of the year...if you haven't voted yet, send your nomination to me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], with the name of your nominee in the subject line. -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
So now we've got 2.0.1 out
Would anyone care to go and express an opinion on it on Version tracker and or Download.com? The Windows update, in particular is feeling rather neglected. Plenty of people seem to have opinions on the OSX version, but are Windows folk really so shy? Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Yikes! E-mail harvesting possibility?
Greetings! If I can snip and match a few different posts on this issue: Might want to check out The Mail Archive, a free archiving service used by some other listservs I subscribe to. It obfuscates any embedded emails, whether in signatures or in headers or in the text of the emails. Not sure how they manage this, but it's a great way of making the list archives pubicly available and still protected. Thanks Mark, I'll look into it. It is perfectly reasonable to communicate with individuals via the list. If the RR list moderators could remove e-mail addresses from the digests I belive they would do us all a favour. Perhaps, but sometimes on-list conversations become off-list ones, and in order for someone to email someone off-list, they need to know what the person's email address is. If there is a direct connection between the email addresses on the list and an increase in spam, I'd agree with you, but until that is proven, I think it is beneficial to have the email addresses in the digest. The consensus on that very quickly became clear. The benefit of having non anonymous posts far outweighs the spam risk for most people. Apart from the harvesting aspect there is the simple fact that the e-mail digests contain all the e-mail addresses of the contributors. So far I have not been able to identify any of the piles of SPAM I seem to get as originating from somebody having subscribed to the e-mail digest - but any SPAMMER must be incredibly stupid if they don't see this possibility. Yes, but to take advantage of these email addresses, the would be spammer first has to subscribe to the list. That's why this is a double opt in list. It protects you from the vast majority of spammers, because they are robots, not people. Spam is a problem. I say this as one who gets vast quantities of the stuff every day. But to let it diminish the value of our legitimate activities is to let it win! Spam filters, the delete button, and a philosophical attitude are my current preferred weapons in the war against spam. I think for the moment, if the spam risk really worries you, you should mung your email address in some way so that it won't get quoted in usable form. We will continue to look at other possible solutions that don't diminish the value of the list. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Hybridisation? RR 1.1.1 GUI fronting RR 2 ?
Message: 8 From: Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hybridisation? RR 1.1.1 GUI fronting RR 2 ? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 09:17:14 -0400 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I still have this hangup about certain aspects of the RR 1.1.1 GUI that I prefer over that of RR 2. However it does not seem possible to replace some of the RR 2 components with those from RR 1.1.1 to allow the RR 1.1.1 GUI to be used with RR 2 under the hood. This especially refers to the property inspector (frankly the RR 1.1.1 seems to involve fewer mouseclicks). Does anybody have any bright ideas on the feasibility of this...? Just be aware shudder there is no way we'd support you doing this shudder and if you break Rev doing this and lose work and your computer explodes we bear no responsibility in any way... :-) Regards Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution Birthday Present
Dear list members, Revolution's anniversary is fast approaching. To mark the occasion, and celebrate the arrival of 2.0, we'd like to show our appreciation of this great community. This list and the people on it are a great resource for all Revolutionaries. I hereby institute the annual Revolution listee of the year award. This award will consist of a bottle of whisky, and will be awarded to the person voted by the list members as having been the most consistently helpful member of the list over the previous year. You all have one vote, which you may award entirely at your own discretion, and by your own parameters as to what constitutes helpful. Your vote must be sent to me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], personally. Any votes sent to any other address or to the list will not be counted. You must put the name of your candidate in the subject line of your email. I will count the votes and announce the winner next Friday, 13th June. This should allow me to ship the bottle in time for Revolution's birthday, on 3rd July. Happy Posting! Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Rev 2.0 ERROR on Windows XP
From: Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Rev 2.0 ERROR on Windows XP Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:44:24 -0500 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roger, I, too, have seen this problem. I think it has to do with either a removable drive or a pending CD-write to a XP folder (do you have a CD-RW?). This is what worked for me: Reboot the machine and see if you still get it (after removing all CD's). If that doesn't work, reboot the machine, uninstall RR2.0 (and any other version of 2.0 beta) and reinstall. That should do the trick. Also, and maybe quicker, if you don't need to use the CD drive... I'm told just putting a blank CD in the drive keeps Revolution sane and content... Regards, Heather best, Chipp -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learning RR's Transcipt
You can order a paper manual, but it probably won't include the new things in the latest version (someone yell at me if I'm wrong, please) Not yelling, but just for the record, you are wrong. The 2.0 docs will be totally up to date, hence the delay in getting them to print. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mpossible to save
What is this ' ~ backup file', and where is it? -- I still think it expects you to open a backup copy of your stack, but it needs to be in the right path for 2.0 to find it, and apparently isn't. Revolution attaches a ~ to files it has had problems saving to. What happens then is that it reverts to the last clean save it made, and attachs a ~ to the problem stack. So remove the ~, and it should open again. You may have lost a few very recent changes. But Ken is totally correct also, in that it is good practice, always, in any programming environment or indeed in any program you create work in, to make frequent backups. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
30 day trial unlock problem
Greetings! As some of you are already aware, the 30 day trial code has not been working correctly. We have now fixed this problem, as of 10am GMT, but you will need to go and enter your email address again here: http://www.runrev.com/revolution/previews/30daytrial.html And get a fresh unlock code, if you want to try this option. Thanks for the feedback! Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: Math question: How to compute the area of polygons
One more solution for you all to consider. Tomas had some posting troubles so he asked me to post this for him. From: Tomas Nally, P.E. on behalf of Tomas Nally, P.E. Sent: Tue 3/18/2003 9:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Math question: How to compute the area of polygons Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:06:57 +0100 Subject: Math question: How to compute the area of polygons From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Malte Brill) Hi List, this one goes out to the math experts. How does one compute the area ( I hope it is the correct Term for flaecheninhalt in german) of a polygon with n sides. Not a math expert here, but finding the areas of irregular polygons was the one of the first things that I did with my very own computer (a Commodore-64) when I bought it in 1985. (Actually, I wasn't finding the area of polygons, per se. I was performing numerical integration to see how close the result would be to the answer when traditional calculus is used. But that operation is almost identical to finding the area of a polygon.) I'm not too much of a Transcripter, so let me give a BASIC version, from which a transcript version could be generated. -- First, make sure that the x- and y-coordinates of the polygon -- are stored in an array. Also, the array members should identify -- the points of the polygon as you trace the polygon CLOCKWISE -- around it's perimeter. In BASIC, this is how arrays are -- dimensioned. dim x(100) dim y(100) -- Additionally, each differential element of the polygon will have -- its own differential area, so we need an array for that also. dim trapArea(100) -- Identify the number of nodes of the polygon. (Or, you might -- just as well call them vertices, or points.) n = 20 -- Just an example, here. -- Now, going clockwise around the perimeter of the polygon, -- find the area of the virtual trapezoid under each line segment. -- A line segment is defined as the segment connecting -- the ith node and the (i + 1)th node. Do this inside a -- counted loop. In BASIC, a convenient loop for this is -- the For...Next loop. for i = 1 to (n - 1) -- note that I'm stopping at (n - 1) x1 = x(i) y1 = y(i) x2 = x(i + 1) y2 = y(i + 1) trapArea(i) = y1 * (x2 - x1) + (1/2) * (x2 - x1) * (y2 - y1) next i -- This doesn't quite close the loop around the perimeter -- of the polygon. In order to close the loop, we need to -- find the area under the line segment between the nth -- node and the very first node. x1 = x(n) y1 = y(n) x2 = x(1) y2 = y(1) trapArea(n) = y1 * (x2 - x1) + (1/2) * (x2 - x1) * (y2 - y1) -- Now, we have to add up all the areas of the elements TotalArea = 0 for i = 1 to n TotalArea = TotalArea + trapArea(i) next i -- When I've discussed this elsewhere, there's usually -- some skepticism about whether it works. The reason -- it works is because when the (i + 1)th node is on the -- right-hand side of the ith node, then trapArea(i) has -- a positive value. However, as you traverse around -- the perimeter of the polygon, when the (i + 1)th node -- is on the left-hand side of the ith node, then the -- value of trapArea(i) is negative. When you add all -- of these positive and negative areas, then the result -- is the area on the interior of the polygon. -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: T-shirts and the Americans
Message: 8 From: Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: T-shirts and the Americans To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:27:25 -0500 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some of us are Scots (RunRev, is, after all, a Scottish thing!) and wonder why we have to order T-shirts from 'over there' - can we not order them from somewhere over here in Pounds Sterling, or, heaven forfend, Euros ? Richmond Mathewson Ideally, yes. However, I have not yet turned up an equivalent service to CafePress in the UK. If anyone can come up with a suitable site, which will allow me to upload the images, offers a shop for our customers, and takes care of the order fulfilment, I will be more than happy to open an account with them. Likewise, for our Australian users, if you can show me a shop, I'll be happy to upload. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
T-shirts url
Ahem. That should have been http://www.cafeshops.com/runrev Apologies, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Pricing.
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:26:30 -0800 (PST) From: Judy Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pricing. Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding is that university educators are also eligible for the ed pricing; that it's the institutional pricing area where it matters if you are K-12 or higher ed. Am I wrong? Only partly. In general, individual university *students* are eligible for the $99 license. Normally, university lecturers must purchase the full Educational Edition, at $497.50. If you are teaching K12 teachers or a multimedia course we will extend the K12 multiuser licensing to your class. This is known in the company as a Judy Perry Special :-) Regards, Heather Judy -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: latest pre-beta 2?
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 20:44:39 +0100 Subject: Latest pre-beta 2? From: Michael Kristensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi there Is Revolution 2.0 pre-beta 2 the latest release? Yes. Will we hear about new pre-beta releases here? Yes, if they are public ones. If we do a private alpha or beta, these will only be available to professional license holders, Regards, Heather Kind regards Michael Kristensen -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
T-shirt competition
Greetings, again. The t-shirt voting is hotting up, and a winner is emerging. However, I have just received two late entries which I felt had such merit I had to put them up. So... If you want to go and look again, I'll accept an altered vote for either of the last two entries if you tell me you already voted and want to change it. The url once again: http://www.runrev.com/revolution/tshirt.html Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
T-shirt competition
Greetings! The t-shirt competition is now open for voting. If you point your browsers here: http://www.runrev.com/revolution/tshirt.html you can admire all the entries. Choose the one you like best, and email me the number of your selection. Please send votes to me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], NOT TO THE LIST. You may vote once, and once only for a t-shirt and likewise, once and once only for a mug design. The winner will be the design with the most votes (no, really?). In the event of a tie, the winner will be decided by our esteemed managing director, Kevin. Voting will close at 9am my time, next Monday, the 10th March. May the best design win! Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: T-Shirts competition
Thank you all for the t-shirt entries. Officially the competition ends today, but if you've still got an entry you'd like to send in, it's not too late for the next few days. We've begun the preliminary screening :-) Got some great creative minds on this list. Are you going to share the entries publicly? I would love to see what concepts people created. Certainly. As soon as everyone in the team has had a chance to look and comment, I will be putting a page up for listmembers to vote on. You all get to decide which design makes the t-shirt. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
T-Shirt competiton and Tagline
Greetings! Ladies and gentlemen, as you will see from my signature, we have a new tagline at last. If you are entering the t-shirt competition, you might like to incorporate this in your design. Anyone who has already entered is welcome to modify their entry to take account of this. Looking forward to seeing you all wearing it :-) Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: T-shirt design competition
i am all excited with this competition, and i do have one question. RunRev folks will sell thru cafepress so we'll be able to buy from shirts to drinkwear. drinkwear design space is much smaller than shirts design space, so can we enter the contest with specific entries like: andre garzia entrie for clock.png andre garzia entrie for tshirt.png Sure. But I think we need to keep the designs themed and clearly related. So it might be best to offer a series of designs in different sizes perhaps, but as one submission. So maybe you could submit one large design and one related small design, together. Or one design only that can be scaled. Entirely up to your judgment. it would give us more power (power to the designe!!!) to create and the end product will be better, we'll not think hell this stamp would be better big on a tshirt and not this small on a clock that of course leads to contest winner problems since there are different categories, and i think RunRev will not give that many licenses, but it still be good to have specific desings... I think the problem with offering separate categories is more that we wouldn't want to use two widely different designs. So there will remain one winner, one prize, and one category, but we will be more than happy to see you submit two related designs. Regards, Heather cheers -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
public beta?
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:18:16 +0100 Subject: public beta? From: Toma Tasovac [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know that it is not politically correct to whine about the delay of 2.0 on this list, since complaints are usually bombarded with the wise and ethically superior they're working so hard, give them a break and we want a good product, we're ready to wait... kind of answers -- but the Revolution Website claims that their development process is better advanced now, allowing us to make a more accurate estimate than previously and that they will be shipping a public beta of 2.0 in mid January. Come on, guys, we all love Revolution -- that's why we're here, yet I would still like to get a response from the Revolution team: what went wrong this time, and how much longer do we need to wait, again? A small slippage. Soon, soon. No really. I'm not saying anymore, because dates always get me into trouble. The reason the team is not responding is because they're all working so hard to get that beta out. I can't give you details about the delay because I do admin, not coding. Everybody that could give you more info is busy coding like mad. The best to you too, and please, be patient, once more, just a little longer... Regards, Heather All best, Toma Toma Tasovac ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Politics on the list
And here I was, hoping that list mom hat could stay on the shelf for a further six months. Ladies and Gentlemen. Do not post political remarks to this list. We all have views, some more strongly held than others. We are all entitled to our views. We are all entitled to express our views. BUT NOT ON THIS LIST. To the several hundred silent members on this list, who doubtless all have opinions and reactions to what has been said here lately, may I express my gratitude for their restraint in not responding on list? To those who responded to me privately, thank you, you did the right thing. To those who are still posting responses on list, however deeply felt or well intentioned, please, please, cease and desist. Let the thread die. If you still have things you must say, send an email off list to the relevant parties. There are political discussion lists in abundance for this sort of debate. Can I recommend a google search to locate the appropriate forum? My warm regards to you all, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: make code, not war ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: List etiquette and general helpful hints
Guys! Please! take a look at the last digest that just arrived in my inbox. More than half of it was Not Discussing Revolution. You've all had your say. I've listened, laughed at some, torn my hair out at others, and now I'm saying Subject Closed. If you still have strong feelings on how the list should be moderated, write to me direct, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do Not Respond On The List. -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution: The Peaceful Solution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Fwd: Revolution 2.0 To Be Previewed At Macworld
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:30:14 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fwd: Revolution 2.0 To Be Previewed At Macworld Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the scoop on this? Does it just mean a recent build is on someone's laptop ready for demoing at Macworld? :-) Well, yes... We are demoing a recent build. We will be doing a public beta later in January, as indicated on our website - the FAQ for 2.0, in case anyone has forgotten, is at http://www.runrev.com/revolution/20faq.html I wish they'd put up some photos on the web... I'm very much hoping to be able to. There is a digital camera among those present. A big thank you to everyone who contributed applications for demoing! We've got a really excellent array of demos, and were able to create an impressive fact sheet listing them all, to hand out. I'd like to ask everyone who hasn't already done so, to contribute their applications to the Made With Rev webpages. The submission form for users is accessible via the Developer pages of the website. http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/ Regards, Heather -- atb sims -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution - Developing Power! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Applications to make us proud
Hi all, Happy New Year! As you may know, we are exhibiting at MacWorld San Francisco. To help make this our best show to date, we want to demonstrate some excellent applications made with Revolution. I know there are some great apps out there, and I've already emailed some of you for permission to show off your work. If you've got something you're proud of, or you know of something someone else has made that you think really shines, please let me know, tell me who and where I can find it. But you'll need to be quick... We need permissions by tomorrow night, Monday at the latest... Thank you one and all, Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
The Whisky Draw
Ladies and Gentlemen! I am happy to announce the winner of the Runtime Revolution Whisky Draw. As you may remember, this was to go to a randomly selected poster of an ontopic post, after the 10th Dec and before Dec 25th. I put all posts into a virtual hat, and a random mouse click brought me the result. Are you all ready and hanging on the edge of your seats? drum roll And the winner is Klaus Major, with his post Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:48:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Standalone Button Font Bloat Congratulations Klaus. A well deserved win. I'll make arrangements for the despatch of one bottle of single malt whisky if you'll just confirm privately that the address I have in my database is still current. Cheers! Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Sending attachments to the list
Please don't do it! Even if your attachment is very small, hardly noticeable etc... It will come over as gibberish on the digest. Many, many listers are on digest mode, and your gem will be lost on them, as well as causing a certain amount of annoyance. Besides, in these days of rampant viruses sending an unexpected attachment to people can cause distress. Another small point while I'm here. To reach the widest audience, it's advisable to avoid using strong language in your posts. Recently, someone quoted the famous remark about HyperCard's imminent demise... And a number of listers did not receive that digest as it was filtered out on the recipients end by ever vigilant anti spam software that took offence at the language. (I know, I get the bounces). Just something to be aware of folks. A very happy holiday season to you all, Heather (wearing the listmom hat) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: not getting digests
Maybe we should think about how to put SPEWS in their proper place and inform people about their techniques! I totally agree with you, it's appalling. Unfortunately most of my copious spare time (TM Jeanne DeVoto, thank you Jeanne) is already being taken up with the fallout from this occurrence, trying to contact people by alternative means and general damage limitation. If anyone wants to take the matter up in any way they have my full moral support. Hopefully the situation will be resolved shortly, Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: not getting digests
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:20:10 -0800 Subject: Not getting digest email From: Ken Norris (dialup) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello RR list, I'm used to getting 2 or more digest versions of this list daily, but Ihaven' received anything since Sunday morning. Either things are really slow or else there's a problem. Any response? Best regards, Ken N. We are having a small problem at the moment. A smallish percentage of our users are being affected by an incorrect blacklisting of our IP address by SPEWS, an anti spam organisation. Apparently, this organisation takes it upon itself to blacklist not only IP addresses that are sending spam, but also all neighbouring, innocent IP addresses, and in some cases entire ISP's. A number of reputable ISP's then use this blacklist to block all email from those addresses. Your ISP is probably one of them. Unfortunately, SPEWS is uncontactable, unresponsive, and as far as I can tell, actively does not want to remove innocent businesses from their blacklisting, since it relies on us to complain to our ISP's and get the spam operations shut down. We are attempting to do this. How long it will take and how successful we will be, I do not know. In the meantime, all I can suggest is that you contact me directly if you have specific enquiries about Revolution, and I can respond through my backup email address. You can reach the digests online, from the archives, or at http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com For a searchable list. My apologies for this very annoying interruption to our usual service. Regards, Heather ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: thank you notes
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:27:12 -0800 (PST) From: erik hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: thank you notes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i am going to start sending my thank you notes directly to the person who sent the advice. this does mean a little extra cut paste, but should reduce the info deluge if only by a little. has this ever been an issue in email etiquette? Guys, this is your list. However, I must say it has never been an issue in the past, and my personal feeling is that it's nice for people to get a public acknowledgement of how much help they have given. Sometimes a nugget from the list can be a life saver, and it's good to let people know you appreciate it. Obviously, if it started to take over the content, or people became annoyed by it, then I'd ask you all to cut down on public thankyous. At present I don't think this is the case. While active, this list isn't overwhelming... Yet :-) Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: General Lists vs Special Lists
I trust in Heather to keep this from becoming a General List. Why, thank you Rob. Actually, it's the good folks on the list who make it what it is. The amount of cheerful, friendly, incredibly erudite advice that gets dispensed round here never ceases to astound me. Personally, I enjoy the occasional off topic thread - though the operational word there is occasional - as I think do most folk. When people start getting irritated is when to stop however. As, I think, we all know. I give fair warning to Erik, miscdas, and anyone else who wants to make this into a Special List: I will fight you every step of the way. Rob, if I thought you were planning to start posting regularly on politics, artwork and the state of the nation, those words would alarm me... Since we all have seen and benefited from your regular, excellent, on topic postings, I think I should be safe to leave it entirely up to your own good judgement. A little bit of sugar now and then helps the coding go better. Can I just slip in a reminder here about html formatting? Please, plain text only for your postings, turn off all that fancy formatting before you hit send. It's very indigestible for those folks who don't get single messages. Oh, and my contribution to the off topic list... How about novel writers? Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Compressed Digest
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:57:21 -0800 (PST) From: Alejandro Tejada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Compressed Digest To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everyone on the list, I was looking for the compressed digest at: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/revolution/ I believe the link you are looking for is http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/ Regards, Heather The files are gone! Where can I get them? Can you post a link for download? Thanks in advance. Alejandro -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Sending large files to Runrev
Greetings, Some of you may have noticed that if you sent a message to runrev or the lists a day or so back, it returned to you as temporarily undeliverable. This was owing to an unfortunate incident with some *very* large files somebody unexpectedly sent us. Our server was unable to cope. We think all the delayed mail has now arrived, and no mail was permanently lost. We would be grateful if, before sending any unusually large files, you checked with the recipient first. We can always make arrangements to receive something big if we know it's coming. Whilst waking up to a completely empty inbox makes a refreshing change, it's not something I'd like to experience every day... Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: REALbasic vs. Revolution
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:47:40 -0400 Subject: Re: OT Re: REALbasic vs. Revolution From: Troy Rollins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/11/02 11:01 PM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how about libURL? Talk about 'real new capabiities'! In fact there are a number of revolution 'stacks' that are scripted completely with transcript which are *very* powerful tools. I myself have built an asynchronous http file transfer utility file upload (RFC1867 compatible) completely within RunRev which works very well. I believe there are a number of very interesting possiblilities for plugins which can be developed wholly inside RunRev. OK. Whatever. I give up. This is my last post on the topic. Maybe at all here. -- Troy At the risk of prolonging this thread, I really wanted to chip (oh, sorry Chipp ;-) in here. Troy, I hope you're not going to withdraw your valuable contributions :-). I for one have been reading this exchange with very great interest, and I'm sure other members of the team have as well. It's vital for us to know everyone's hopes and dreams for Rev, as well as the more practical visions of our power users. I don't consider it off topic at all, though others may differ :-) I'd agree it's played out now, I think everyone has said what they wanted to, but I hope you'll all go back to programming in a positive frame of mind from this exchange, perhaps with some new ideas and inspirations, rather than on an exasperated note. On a more list mom note, guys (and gals) a reminder please, to never, ever, post your unlock codes to the list :(. A most unfortunate accident. Oh, and please, do turn off your html renderings before posting. Plain text only please when posting to the list. Warm regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution - the Power Solution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
List Etiquette
Hi folks, I see it is time once again for me to raise my head and remind all you good people of a few things that help to make this list run smoothly and remain the great resource that it is for all. I've been noticing rather a lot of html garbage on the list lately. I remind you that to the majority of users of the list, fancy formatting comes over as unnecessary garbage which is almost unreadable. The digest can *only* cope with plain text. Please turn off html formatting in your email client before posting. Please, No Attachments! Again, they arrive as garbage, clutter up the list, and in the majority of cases will be filtered out by the list software anyway. A small one slipped through I see... If you have something you want to share with list members, please post a url where they can go and look at it, or send it privately. Remember to change the header if you are in digest mode, so that it reflects something more useful than Re: use-revolution digest no 6003. Please do snip your posts so that you are only quoting enough for people to understand what you are replying too. Six layers of nested quoting in pretty colours may look pretty, but it is almost never necessary and adds to the bandwith burden for those of us still on dialup pay-per-minute connections. All subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent directly to me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], if you were unable to resolve them by visiting the list webpage. I'm always happy to help. Most such requests sent to the list will be automatically filtered out by the list software, unless you can't spell unsubscribe... To protect you from spam this list is a double opt in list. This means, that if you post from an address you are not subscribed with, your post will be held for approval by the list moderator - that's me, folks. If this happens, don't panic, I'll get in there and approve it asap, once I've checked it's not spam. You can avoid this happening however, by subscribing all email addresses you are likely to post from, and setting all but one to nomail so that you don't get duplicate posts. And finally, I would like to say thank you once again to everyone who contributes to this great community. It was lovely meeting some of you at Paris Expo. Onward and Upward! Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution - The Solution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Subject heading prefix
Ladies and Gentlemen. Clearly I cannot please everyone on this delicate subject, a prefix is either there or it isn't. However, surely a couple of letters, say, RRU to designate use rev and RRI to designate improve rev wouldn't be too ugly to tolerate? Would it actually break anything? Could add the desired functionality for those that wish, and hardly obscure much of the subject heading for those that don't need it. You can still colour it pink if you like... Nice, friendly colour, pink. Warm regards to all Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution - The Solution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Manual announcement
Shipping to Switzerland is even more, USD 55, from UK (while actual shipping cost isn o more than around USD10). Switzerland is still in Europe. No, shipping to Switzerland is rated at $35. We count it as part of Europe, even if not part of the EU. However, all this is rather a moot point at the moment. I have sold out of manuals. How much interest is there still in purchasing manuals from the people on this list? We need to assess whether there is sufficient demand for a reprint. The price will go up to $99 (since a smaller number of books would be printed, costing us proportionately more). Please, please, do not respond to the list. Respond to me, personally, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Manuals offer ends soon
Hi all, Just a note to remind you. If you haven't already ordered your copy of the Revolution printed manuals, better do so soon. The $79 offer finishes at the end of the month. Stocks are getting low... I think I have now sent out all manuals due to Professional license holders. If you have a pro license (EXCLUDING the HyperCard/SuperCard cross grade license, which was specifically excluded from the offer of free printed manuals) and you still haven't got your set of manuals please contact me OFF LIST. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution - The solution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revolution on basilisk II - Attn list admin
Dear list admin: Is it possible to prevent the inconsiderate members of the list from posting the additional HTML version of their important message? Either that or block all their posts? I'm on digest mode. I do send out reminders on this from time to time... Sent one quite recently. I can't block posts that have html added. You should bear in mind that it is easy to do accidentally and forget that you have the html settings on, especially as if you post in that format you usually can read it too without it becoming garbage. However, on the digest it always comes out garbled, and causes annoyance. So if we could all be a little careful... Thank you, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: license
Servaas has been blocked from the list. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Manual announcement
I tried to place an order today for the manuals and was informed that a $25.00 was to be charged for delivery and a sales tax ??? Of $13.82 was to be added. This is for an address at Southampton UK. I expected the total charge to be $79.00 as per your email. Can you please confirm this? Richard Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry about the tax, the store should no longer be adding tax to your orders. If it does, email me and I'll take it off before processing. Regarding the postage... There is a typo (wouldn't you know) in the original announcement. Should read Excluding postage round the world... :( Sorry, but we do have to charge this. It's a substantial cost we cannot absorb in the price of the manuals. We did consider fixing a price that included postage, but this would have been unfair to those living closer, in the EU and UK, who would have been subsidising postage to the US and further flung regions. So there is an option to select the correct postage for your area in the online store. If anyone has any problems ordering, or any further questions about the pricing, tax, shipping, etc, of manuals, can you address them to my mailbox? [EMAIL PROTECTED] This list is getting a bit cluttered with stuff best dealt with direct, Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Manual announcement
Dear all, I am happy to announce that at last, finally, the long awaited printed documentation for Revolution is AVAILABLE TO ORDER!! You can go to our online ordering pages at http://www.runrev.com/ and place your order for a full set of Revolution manuals, comprising the Transcript Dictionary in two volumes (yes, there really is that much of it) and the User Guide, a substantial volume in its own right. The total cost is $99, for all three volumes, *including* postage and packing to anywhere in the world. For a limited period until the end of June, we are offering a $20 discount on that price. So don't delay, get on over to our website and place your order now. Stocks are limited, first come first served. Need I remind you of the excellence and clarity of Jeanne DeVoto's meticulous documentation? Not forgetting the valuable contributions from Raymond Griffith, Kevin Miller and Tuviah Snyder. For anyone using Revolution, these books are a must have. You should allow up to 28 days for delivery, although I would expect orders to most corners of the globe to arrive well before that. IMPORTANT NOTE: If you are a Professional license holder, or have a full Educational license (not a student license), you need do nothing. Your manuals are included in the license, and will be shipped to you asap. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution - Power to the Developer! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Manuals and Professional licensing
Greetings. I observe there is some confusion over which Professional licenses qualify for free manuals. My fault, I should have made the original announcement clearer. Only full price $995 Pro licenses have the printed manuals included. If you recall, manuals were specifically excluded from the HyperCard/SuperCard crossgrade deal. Full price $497.50 Educational licenses also qualify. I see there are some other questions also arising. These manuals, as promised, are a printed version of the online documentation. The price is $79. This does not include shipping, which is charged at a variable rate depending on where you are in the world. We are charging this at cost. There is no vat payable on the manuals, books are zero rated in the UK. If you have problems ordering, please feel free to contact me direct. Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Revolution - Power to the Developer! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
A general list motherly post
Hi folks, Time to make another appearance I think. I note the recent discussion about Spam, Viruses and this list. For your information, the only way to use this list for the purpose of distributing spam is to become a member. This is a double opt in list, meaning any potential spammer has to give a valid email address and confirm their subscription before being accepted as as member. Most spammers do not do this :-). In fact, to my certain knowledge, there has been no instance of spam being sent to this list and getting through the moderation procedure. The members email list is not publicly available, and the archives have your email stripped from the headers. I do not think this list is being used to harvest email addresses or add to your spam burden. However, the nefarious Klez virus is very active at the moment, and as another member has noted, is capable of making it appear as though spam is originating from somewhere it is not. Since I'm here, I'll just run through some of the things we like to see, to keep this list friendly and helpful to all. Please send posts in plain text only, no html or fancy formatting. It gets scrambled for the majority of readers, who are on digest mode, wastes bandwidth, and annoys our European friends who pay per minute on dial up connections. Do not send administrative requests such as subscribe, unsubscribe, or help, I've lost my password, to the list. Most will be filtered out automatically, they only get through if you misspell them. If you have a problem, first check that you can't do what you want by going to the online webpage at http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Then email me, [EMAIL PROTECTED], or use the admin address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll be happy to help. If you post to the list from an email address other than that you are subscribed with, your post will be held for moderation. No panic, I'll get in there and check it's not spam, then approve it, usually quite quickly. But to avoid this, you may like to know that you can subscribe more than one email address, and set any extra addresses to nomail so that you don't receive duplicate posts. Although the members of this list are generally quite disciplined about this, it's worth repeating that it's not always necessary to quote everything in the thread you are replying to. Rows of indented quotes in pink, orange and blue are pretty, but generally unnecessary, and again waste bandwidth. Be selective and only quote enough for readers to understand and remember what you are replying to. If you get the digest, do try and remember to change the header of your post from Re: digest no 3670 to something more meaningful. Everyone forgets this once in a while, it's not a hanging offence, but it helps if you try and remember to do this, so that other members can follow a thread. And finally, remember it's very hard to judge tone of voice in an email. Flame wars can start from what was intended to be an innocent comment. By and large the members of this list are great, polite, helpful people with a fantastic attitude to helping each other. It's lovely to see, let's keep it that way. Don't forget the smileys :-) Regards, Heather -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Billing for upgrade?
Dear Heather, I'm not sure if you're the one I should be writing to about this; if not, could you pass it on to the right person? I bought a professional license for Rev 1.1 last fall at the $199 offer price. Recently I downloaded the upgraded to 1.1.1, which I thought was a free upgrade for licensed users. I just received my latest credit card statement and found I've been charged a second $199. My perusal of the license agreement doesn't make it particularly clear to me what is intended, but my experience elsewhere is that bug-fix upgrades are typically free to licensed users. Could you please clarify this for me? Thank you! And by the way, Revolution is a terrific product. Hi Stuart, Yes, I am the right person, but all such licensing issues should be dealt with off list... For the record, you haven't been charged for the upgrade, it's a mix up. I'll write you off list. Regards, Heather Yours, Stuart Milliken ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution book
Hi, I have been using RR daily now for months. I continue to be happy with its capabilities. The only thing that remains an issue for me is the lack of printed documentation and / or third party books on the subject. It is clear that there are additional sources of information because many of the contributors to these lists seem to be extremely knowledgeable about transcript and RR in general. Where did these folks get this information? Was it working w MetaCard? Is there some printed documentation available for Metacard? Don't get me wrong. I'm not angry about this, just frustrated. Does anybody know if there is there a book in the works. What we really need is a book similar to Danny Goodman's Complete HyperCard Handbook. That type of book could make learning the intricacies of Transcript and Run Rev a lot easier than randomly accessing the online help app or going to the lists. A printed version of the existing documentation is in the works. I am working on getting it available as fast as possible, however this could still be several weeks. As soon as it is available I will announce it on this list, as well as the website. We are well aware of the need for this book, and apologise for the long delay in making it available. I would ask for your patience for just a few weeks longer. Regards, Heather Just my 2¢. Steve -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Plain text posts please
Dear all,
Given the numbers of new users we have on these lists now, I thought it
might not be a bad plan to make a list motherly type post. Some simple
guidelines to make this list a friendly, easy to read place for all.
You don't always need to quote every post in the thread you are replying to.
This is becoming a pretty high traffic list, so to keep the length of the
digest down, consider whether you really need to quote three pages of
prettily coloured nested text showing all the posts back to the week before
last in relation to the question.
If you quote the entire digest, along with a request to unsubscribe, I will
unsubscribe you promptly, but I will mutter unpleasant things under my
breath. Most such requests are automatically screened out by the list
software anyway, the proper way to unsubscribe is to use the webpage link,
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo
or send me a request for help to the *admin* address at the head of every
digest. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you get the list in digest form and just hit reply, do try and change the
subject line to something relevant. People find it hard to follow a thread
that becomes mislabeled as Re: digest no 6798
Please send your messages as plain text only. You should be aware that a
high proportion of members are on digest mode, and if you send your post as
html or other strange formatting you will be inflicting this type of
gibberish on a large number of readers (I picked a sample at random):
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And finally, Play nice, children,
Regards,
Heather
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Runtime Revolution Ltd.
Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707
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Re: Read serial data + Kagi?
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:37:00 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Kee Nethery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Read serial data + Kagi? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 3:59 AM -0800 1/21/02, Niklas Almesj wrote: On a related note, has anyone sold shareware through Kagi? if so: - Does it work well? - Have you used pregenerated codes? thanks, /Niklas I do. They were a little rough in the beginning, but now that everything's set up, it's been fine for the past year. I haven't used unlock codes with them, as I have to ship a cd to everyone who buys the software. I believe we calculate reg codes for Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor. Imagine someone on this list would know for sure. :-) No, actually we supply you with a list of precalculated codes, you just insert them. :) Works fine for us. Regards, Heather Our preference is to calculate reg codes, it gives the user immediate access to the software, and there is no list of precalculated codes that has to be maintained and refilled. Kee -- Heather Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707 Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
FW: changing a menu
Except you sent it to me instead... ;) don't worry, I'll just forward it to the list Heather From: Gareth Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:23:25 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: changing a menu Hello from a new subscriber. I've decided to give my friendly contact at Runtime Revolution (hi, Kevin!) a bit of a rest by posting here first. I have a stack and I've created a custom menubar for it by using the Menu Manager. Now I'd like to add and delete items from individual menus, changing things around. Since the menu does not show up now for editing in the Menu Manager window, this will have to be done manually, probably through the Message box. So, for example, how do I put Save as Text File... before the Quit option in the custom File menu? To my credit, I did figure out how to change the script associated with the menu: edit the script of bg btn File of group Addresses menu -Gareth Jones -- ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
