Re: [OT} is WebP going anywhere, and if it is how will LiveCode cope with it?

[Ian Wood]

WepP doesn't really offer anything over JPEG, I honestly can't see any reason 
for it to take off.

File sizes can be slightly smaller, but it has the same bit depth, *smaller* 
pixel dimension limits, doesn't appear to include a progressive download spec 
like JPEG, doesn't include an alpha layer for transparency like PNGs etc. etc.

Ian

On 4 Oct 2010, at 17:04, Richmond wrote:

> http://code.google.com/speed/webp/download.html
> 
> Is this just Google trying to extend its imperialistic influence
> even further, or is this s serious competitor up against
> PNG and GIF?
> 
> Is RunRev/LiveCode going to be able to import and export WebP
> in a future recension?
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Re: iPad's competitor from RIM

[Ian Wood]

On 28 Sep 2010, at 23:21, viktoras d. wrote:

> IPad soon will have a serious competitor - PlayBook from producers of 
> Blackbery:
> http://na.blackberry.com/

'Soon' being March next year, and nobody appears to have seen an actual 
physical device yet, outside Blackberry - the video of the interface is all 
rendered CGI. :-(

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Re: The currently playing track & revMobile

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Neat idea.

After a quick bit of searching, this was added to the SDK with OS3 - so it's 
possible, but I've no idea if it's possible with Rev.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/741847/iphone-sdk-accessing-current-song-information-through-an-app

Ian

On 23 Sep 2010, at 19:30, Terry Vogelaar wrote:

> I want to write an iOS app that allows me to edit the tags of the tracks on 
> my iPod Touch. Often when I listen to music on my iPod, I want to edit the 
> data of the currently playing track. For example, I want to set the genre, or 
> at least add some comments to it. And when I connect the iPod to my iMac, I 
> want that data to sync back to iTunes automatically. 
> 
> I don't know of any app that has similar functionality, so I doubt whether 
> the SDK allows it. But it sure would be great if it did.
> 
> As far as I know, the only information that is synced back from my iPod to 
> iTunes is: star ratings and play counts. But I would love to do more. 
> 
> If this is simply impossible, could there be some kind of workaround? For 
> example: the app records the title & artist of the currently playing track to 
> a text file on the iPod, along with the data I would like to add/modify. When 
> connected to the Mac, an AppleScript could process that text file to make the 
> changes to the corresponding track(s) in iTunes.
> 
> Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Colors in LiveCode

[Ian Wood]

On 21 Sep 2010, at 10:33, René Micout wrote:

> All this is still annoying, almost every new version of Revolution (Pardon 
> LiveCode) is the same thing ...

On the other hand, some of us have been waiting *five years* for ICC profile 
support in Rev/LiveCode, because it's not possible to do proper photographic 
apps without it!

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Re: [OT] Dead video card

[Ian Wood]

On 17 Aug 2010, at 18:42, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> In fact, this was the reason that emulators like Virtual PC could never 
> attain the performance on graphics intensive tasks that people needed. 
> EVERYTHING graphics had to go through a translator. Nowadays, a lot of 
> emulated tasks can access the processor directly with little or no 
> translation, giving us the exceptional performance of emulators like VMWare 
> and Parallels produces. 

Virtual PC was an emulator, trying to run an OS on a different type of 
processor. VMWare and Parallels are virtualisation programs with no emulation 
involved.

They do drastically different things under the hood, which is why the 
performance is so different.

Ian

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Re: [OT] Dead video card

[Ian Wood]

On 16 Aug 2010, at 21:08, Jeff Massung wrote:

> No such thing as a "Mac Compatible" video card... or a "PC Compatible" one
> for that matter. That's just a matter of branding.

Like Bob says, this is not true. Mac and Windows versions of the same graphics 
card models have different firmware. Apparently it's possible to flash 
Windows-compatible cards with the correct firmware to run in a Mac, but I've no 
idea how complex the process is.

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Re: Rodeo: 1st naive question.

[Ian Wood]

On 26 Jul 2010, at 10:22, Richmond wrote:

> Ahah; what I don't understand is why RunRev don't seem to have a problem
> about something that could be seen as a direct competitor advertising on 
> their use-list:

Probably because it's powered by On-Rev/revServer under the hood... ;-)

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Re: OT: Rodeo and media

[Ian Wood]

The red rings look like Mouseposé which is mostly designed for screencasts, 
tutorials and presentations. It's separate from whatever software was used to 
capture the screen video. You can also set up Mouseposé to show keystrokes on 
screen.

http://www.boinx.com/mousepose

Ian


On 25 Jul 2010, at 19:59, John Dixon wrote:

> Would you tell me the name of the software you used to make the video of the 
> video, as it were... I am intrigued by the red rings that appear with the 
> mouseClicks...

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Re: New Window App allows programming for iPhone!

[Ian Wood]

It's been around since November at least, but information about it is *very* 
sparse. I'd be wary, myself.

Ian 

On 7 Jul 2010, at 15:38, charles61 wrote:

> 
> I just came across a link to a new Windows program, DragonFireSDK, that
> allows Windows users to program for the iPhone without using Apple's SDK. I
> believe the program sells for $49. I went to the site last night but did not
> write down the details. I tried to go to the site a moment ago to confirm
> the price but I could not access it. I guess the site may be getting a lot
> of hits today! 
> DragonFireSDK includes a cross-platform library and an iPhone simulator. The
> program uses C/C++ language. Here is the link: http://www.dragonfiresdk.com/
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Re: File browser extension

[Ian Wood]

I thought Rev used the UNIX-style '/' delimiter for all internal  
paths, regardless of platform?


Ian

On 22 Jun 2010, at 01:24, Bob Sneidar wrote:


set the itemdelimiter to "/" -- for macs. use \ for windows paths


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Re: Checkbox script

[Ian Wood]

Try something like:

Put text of field "disability" into tConcat
Put "egg allergy" into tDis
if tConcat does not contain tDis then
   Put tDis & space & tConcat into field "disability"
End if

Ignore the caps, I'm on the iPhone...

Ian

On 19 Jun 2010, at 15:06, charles61  wrote:



Ian,

Thanks for your suggestion! How do I set up a script to add to a  
string when the script resides in each checkbox?


Charles Szasz
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You're only putting one term into the field. Try getting the text of
the field and adding it to your string before setting the text of the
field.

Ian

On 19 Jun 2010, at 14:18, charles61 <[hidden email]> wrote:


Unfortunately, this script does not put "Egg Allergy" followed by
"Fish
Allergy" into field "disability" when both checkboxes are checked.
Instead,
only "Egg Allergy" or "Fish Allergy" are inserted into the field.

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Re: Checkbox script

[Ian Wood]

You're only putting one term into the field. Try getting the text of  
the field and adding it to your string before setting the text of the  
field.


Ian

On 19 Jun 2010, at 14:18, charles61  wrote:

Unfortunately, this script does not put "Egg Allergy" followed by  
"Fish
Allergy" into field "disability" when both checkboxes are checked.  
Instead,

only "Egg Allergy" or "Fish Allergy" are inserted into the field.

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Re: Is there hope for RevMobile on iPad after all???

[Ian Wood]

I just spotted it myself, but given the need for written acceptance  
from Apple and their previous response to Runrev I'd be doubtful.


Looks like it's more for scripting engines in games.

Ian

On 11 Jun 2010, at 19:47, Jim Lyons wrote:


John Gruber just linked to this:

http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/06/10/hello-lua

pointing out a new change to that critical section of the Developer  
License Agreement for iThingies about built-in interpreters. Does  
this give us hope?


Still lurking after all these years,
Jim


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Re: Scale9

[Ian Wood]

That's certainly something I'd consider purchasing if it was available.

Ian

On 10 Jun 2010, at 14:13, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

> If Chipp's tool doesn't do everything you need you may find it worth the time 
> to roll your own.  And you could sell it through RevSelect to recoup some of 
> the cost.  You certainly have the tools experience to make a good one, and 
> I'll bet others would find it useful.
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Re: RevSudio on sale for $50

[Ian Wood]

On 2 Jun 2010, at 15:22, Mark Swindell wrote:

Is this Rev 4?  What is the difference between the free RevMedia  
version and this one if one is just developing private stacks for a  
classroom?


Apart from the ability to build standalones, revMedia doesn't include  
database access, externals or the datagrid.


http://www.runrev.com/products/the-rev-platform/editions-comparison/

 I did discover that RevStudio is not compatible with aspects of  
tRev, which is a bad thing because tRev is such a good thing.


I've seen no difference between revEnterprise & revStudio regarding  
tRev.


Ian
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Re: revServer ?

[Ian Wood]

As far as I remember, revServer is the name for the planned version of On-Rev 
that can be installed on your own server. In other words, not a shipping 
product at this time.

Ian



On 2 Jun 2010, at 10:47, Kee Nethery  wrote:

> Took the survey and saw mention of revServer. Not something I am familiar 
> with. When I go to the RunRev web site and search for revServer it appears 
> there are tutorials but no product information. None of the web site menus 
> list revServer as a product.
> 
> Is revServer an unreleased product? Or is it functionality in the enterprise 
> edition that I can have IT install on some of our production servers?
> 
> Are there docs on how to use it? Lynn's question asking for a CGI version 
> said that it is an Apache module which is exactly what I want. 
> 
> Pointers to docs and downloads would be most welcome.
> 
> Kee
> 
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Re: revMobile and SDK

[Ian Wood]

On 30 May 2010, at 07:37, Mark Smith wrote:

I have a question for the group. I've been reading about the recent  
changes to the Apple SDK for the last couple of hours (here and on  
Appleinsider) and one thing I don't understand is how Apple can  
actually do this? Is it only for products that are intended to be  
marketed through the app store? If you choose to market your product  
through some other means do they still have any say over how you  
develop your application? Seems nuts or illegal to me.


The App Store is the only public distribution channel for Apple's  
mobile devices, outside the enterprise market there's no way to  
'sideload' apps other than HTML5 webapps.


Maybe nuts, but there doesn't appear to be anything illegal about it.

Ian
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Re: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue

[Ian Wood]

On 28 May 2010, at 22:21, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Ian Wood wrote:

I've had similar thoughts but simply haven't had time to see if  
externals can be used with Revlets.


I can save you some time. They can't.


Ta. I still have a few uses for Franklin 3D & panoramas up my sleeve,  
though, once Aperture Assistant is re-written and some On-Rev stuff  
set in motion.


Ian
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Re: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue

[Ian Wood]

On 28 May 2010, at 19:03, Colin Holgate wrote:

The shockwave version doesn't use QuickTime, but then it does have  
hardware 3D as a feature.


Which is a *big* thing when it comes to panorama players.

I suppose you could do the same thing in Rev using the Franklin 3D  
add-on.


I've had similar thoughts but simply haven't had time to see if  
externals can be used with Revlets.


Anyway, here's the updated version, not quite so many stitching errors:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianjameswood/4647933907/

Although Zaphod Beeblebrox's younger brother appears to still be at  
the head of the queue.


Ian
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Re: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue

[Ian Wood]

On 28 May 2010, at 17:16, Colin Holgate wrote:



On May 28, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Ian Wood wrote:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianjameswood/4647100478/



Is that Zaphod Beeblelbrox in the gray hoodie?


No, just a stitching error. ;-)

Like I said, it's the 'rough' version.


On 28 May 2010, at 17:45, stephen barncard wrote:

I am envious of the Euro way of selling phones separately from the  
carrier.

You have FOUR CHOICES OF CARRIER!!


Yep. I think that's one reason why the iPhone has been so successful  
over here, not being tied to AT&T.


Ian
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OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue

[Ian Wood]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianjameswood/4647100478/

It's a bit rough around the edges as it was stitched while I waited in  
the queue.


Now on with some On-Rev iPad webapp stuff...

Ian
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Re: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler?

[Ian Wood]

On 27 May 2010, at 13:57, Richard Gaskin wrote:

But I don't know of a way to even emulate closures in RevTalk  
(though it might be handy at times if we could).


The Engine Change Log included with the install covers changes back  
to v3.0, and I don't see anything there like this.


Can you recall more details about the feature you're thinking of?


Sounds like I was getting garbled, in that case. Oops.

Ian
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Re: Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler?

[Ian Wood]

No, that keeps it local to the object that contains the handler. I  
*think* I'm talking about one handler nested inside another one.


Thanks,

Ian

On 27 May 2010, at 13:36, Phil Jimmieson wrote:


I think the term you're looking for is "private" e.g.

private function xx


On 27 May 2010, at 13:34, Ian Wood wrote:


I remember that one of the recent(ish) versions of Runrev introduced
handlers that sit inside handlers and can only be called from within
that handler, but what's the proper name so that I can look up how to
use them?

Thanks in advance,

Ian
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Brainfade time - what's the proper name for a 'local' handler?

[Ian Wood]

I remember that one of the recent(ish) versions of Runrev introduced  
handlers that sit inside handlers and can only be called from within  
that handler, but what's the proper name so that I can look up how to  
use them?


Thanks in advance,

Ian
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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Ian Wood]

Note that the battery capacity is only 1600mAh so battery life won't  
be too amazing with the 7" screen.


At least it has non-iPad app icons over the familiar background,  
unlike the 8" model which just has the standard iPad home screen  
comped in on the rendered images. ;-)


http://www.euogo.com/8-inch-ipad-style-android-slate-tablet-pc-with-wifi-office-youtube-skype-msn_p258.html

Ian

P.S. Anyone know what the retail price is for something like that?

On 23 May 2010, at 17:37, roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote:


Lynn,

You just cured my Android buying fever.  I may still grab a low-end  
tablet
just to play around with the OS and gain some familiarity, but I  
will wait
until we see what minimum version Rev supports before getting  
something

better. I really like the smooth look of this one though.

http://www.euogo.com/7-inch-google-android-16-tablet-pc-umpc-mid-notebook-with-wifi_p229.html

~Roger Eller


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OT: article about a mobile app success story

[Ian Wood]

http://blog.iteleportmobile.com/quality-over-quantity-how-we-built-iteleport

Even though it's in iPhone/iPad-specific app, I thought this made  
interesting reading - they bucked the trend for really cheap mobile  
apps by charging $25 and it seems to be paying off for them.


Ian
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Re: HyperCard for the iPad

[Ian Wood]

On 20 May 2010, at 22:02, Richard Gaskin wrote:


The night is young. :)


Definitely. Interesting times ahead. :-)

Ian
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Re: HyperCard for the iPad

[Ian Wood]

On 20 May 2010, at 18:08, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Blowing off the other 83.9% of the mobile market (Apple says they  
have only 16.1%) just to appease His Steveness would have been  
suicidal, so if that was the intent we can all be glad the proposal  
was rejected.


16% of the market that make up half the mobile web traffic and (at  
least back in January) an estimated 97% of all mobile app sales.


http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/19/apples-app-store-said-to-have-99-4-percent-of-all-mobile-app-sa/

I've not managed to find estimates that are more recent, but that's a  
scary ratio for anyone hoping to make money from Android apps as an  
alternative to the iPhone/iPad. :-(


Ian
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Re: HyperCard for the iPad

[Ian Wood]

On 20 May 2010, at 16:46, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Richard Gaskin wrote:

I believe Apple would allow a HyperCard-like app for the iPhone/ 
iPad only if they could have complete assurances it would be  
available EXCLUSIVELY for iPhone OS.


Kevin offered to do exactly that, and was still refused. It's in his  
blog post.


Important distinction - Runrev offered to do a *dev environment* that  
would build exclusively for the iPhone/iPad.


At no point has Runrev (to my knowledge) offered to build something  
equivalent to Hypercard *ON* the iPad. Probably because it would  
immediately fall foul of 'no interpreted code' and would be a end-user  
product in the first place.


At the moment the only way I can see a Hypercard equivalent on the  
iPad would be if it then used Webkit as a VM, so in effect it's output  
would be HTML/JS/CSS. Which would then make it rather hard to transfer  
stacks to other people.


Jerry's eventual plan for an iPad front-end to edit Rodeo apps online  
is about the closest I've heard of from anyone, on this list or  
anywhere else.


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revMobile on Slashdot

[Ian Wood]

http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/05/17/1849215/iPhone-SDK-Agreement-Shuts-Out-HyperCard-Clone

The usual signal-to-noise ratio for /. though...

Ian
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revIgniter chat tutorial

[Ian Wood]

I've just worked my way through the chat tutorial, very handy as one  
of my main uses is going to be pulling and pushing info to a DB!


Notes for anyone on the list following the tutorial:
- Make sure to replace all the EOT characters with spaces when copying  
text from the web page (as others have mentioned).
- If using phpMyAdmin to create the test table, make sure that you  
remove all the single-quote characters from the MySQL statement!



The results:
http://ijw.on-rev.com/ign/chat/


Ralf:
"As we don't want page redraws while sending new chat messages we use  
Ajax requests and therefor load the Jquery library:" is missing an e  
on the end of "therefor".


Thanks again,

Ian
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Re: revigniter - Model-View-Controller in Rev terms?

[Ian Wood]

Thanks Sarah, Ralf & Jeff, I've read through the MVC pages in the  
revIgniter docs again and it's making more sense.


I can see that it'll be enormously powerful when understood. Watch  
this space. ;-)


Ian
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revigniter - Model-View-Controller in Rev terms?

[Ian Wood]

I'm investigating Ralf's revIgniter framework (fantastic work, by the  
way), and start running into my 'narrow' experience of programming...


Model-View-Controller is a programming approach that is new to me.  
Separating presentation & data (as in most CMS-driven websites) is  
another matter.


A bit of help from Google & Wikipedia & I *think* I've got an idea how  
it works, but would like some reassurance/pointers from the list in  
translating concepts into what I know (Rev).



MVC in Rev terms would be (roughly):

View is a Stack visible to the user (or audio etc.). Everything is  
presented through this to the user.


Controller takes input from the user (mouse-clicks, typing, keystrokes  
etc.) and does the major processing? e.g. Rev handlers that handle the  
bulk of the logic in an app?


Model would then be equivalent to all the 'utility' handlers and  
libraries?



I'm aware that there may not be a one-to-one equivalency here, but is  
this along the right lines?


Thanks,

Ian
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Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement

[Ian Wood]

Presumably Jerry is asleep at the moment but from what I've read and  
watched...


Rodeo is written in Rev and creates *online* HTML webapps, hosted on  
On-Rev. Xcode is not involved in the end-user's workflow at all*. The  
'originally written in' clause is irrelevant because all that ends up  
being accessed by someone using a Rodeo-created webapp is HTML/CSS/JS.


Basically, using Rev's strengths in text/file manipulation to generate  
all the relevant web files from a Rev-like syntax. What I'm not sure  
of is whether the Rodeo service is set up to generate the web files on- 
the-fly or to compile them when you finish editing an app. Presumably  
the second option, or the server load would get a bit heavy.


Ian

* Jerry has spoken about a future possibility of advising authors on  
PhoneGap-style wrapping of webapps for submission to Apple, but again  
all the code is processed within Webkit and therefore bypasses the  
restrictive parts of the SDK agreement.



On 13 May 2010, at 10:55, David Bovill wrote:

I'm sort of assuming that Rodeo is an app written in Cocoa Touch/ 
Objective

C/Xcode which reads and writes structured data to the web server. You
therefore have an authoring app and a web service. The web service  
is able
to customize an Xcode project, and therefore create an app from this  
data

for you, which you then aim to submit to the App store.

Questions:

  - Is this right?
  - Is this not simply using web services to do the same thing as  
any other
  framework that automatically generates Objective C for Xcode - and  
therfore
  "could" fall foul of the "originally written" clause on the new  
license?


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Re: Android Culture

[Ian Wood]

On 13 May 2010, at 08:29, jim sims wrote:

Being ignorant of Android behavior and where they can be found,  
would someone please tell me where I might find great places to see  
apps for them? Is the an Android-like iTunes store? Are there famous  
Android download sites?


http://www.android.com/market/ is the 'official' store from Google but  
can only be viewed fully from an Android handset, and then the  
different carriers sometimes have their own stores as well. There's  
then a few other sites offering apps via sideloading.


In other words, don't expect there to be anything as cohesive as  
Apple's App Store. :-(


Ian
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Re: On-Rev question - can you 'upload' to other web services?

[Ian Wood]

Andre & Michael,

Thanks a lot, those two pointers should get me far enough to do a few  
tests.


Ta,
Ian


On 12 May 2010, at 16:01, Michael Kann wrote:

Ian, a guy has written a framework to do it in PHP. Scroll down  
about 7/10 of the way to see where he writes about "uploading images."


You could just use his script to do it in PHP on the on-rev server,  
or translate the PHP into irev.


http://phpflickr.com/phpFlickr/README.txt

-
Ian asked:

I'm researching some web gallery stuff powered by On-Rev, but would
like the ability to add images hosted on On-Rev to Flickr via their  
API.


Is it possible to do things like FTP *from* the On-Rev server?






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On-Rev question - can you 'upload' to other web services?

[Ian Wood]

I'm researching some web gallery stuff powered by On-Rev, but would  
like the ability to add images hosted on On-Rev to Flickr via their API.


Is it possible to do things like FTP *from* the On-Rev server?

Thanks,

Ian
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Re: [OT] Licensing question

[Ian Wood]

Did he buy an upgrade or a full install? If he just has an upgrade  
then it's s definite no-no.


Ian

On 12 May 2010, at 12:47, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


A friend of mine has just gone and bought a Windows 7 install
disk and is busy installing it on his expensive, bells-n-whistles
PC. He wants to give me his Vista install disk so that I can bung it  
on

a P4 for testing. As he is upgrading to Win 7 he doesn't feel that
this is a "wicking" thing to do.

Any bright ideas about the legality of his idea?
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Re: [OT] InfoWorld's Peace Plan for Apple vs Adobe

[Ian Wood]

Unfortunately step 1 in their peace plan shows a frightening lack of  
technical knowledge, and the other points aren't much better. :-(


VP6 and Spark would both have to be decoded on the CPU, leading to  
*exactly* the kind of battery draining performance that Jobs  
complained about. h264 plays acceptably on mobiles because they have  
dedicated h264-decoding chips built in. Plus as far as I'm aware  
Mobile Safari doesn't have a plug-in architecture in the first place...


Ian

On 10 May 2010, at 22:43, Chipp Walters wrote:


http://www.infoworld.com/print/122878

Interesting read. I suspect Adobe may play, but will Apple?

Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc
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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone

[Ian Wood]

On 9 May 2010, at 14:05, René Micout wrote:

3.3.1 ... Applications that link to Documented APIs through an  
intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are  
prohibited.


Again - that is the OLD version of 3.3.1. The new one is much more  
restrictive.


Ian

P.S. 
http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/iphone_agreement_bans_flash_compiler___
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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos

[Ian Wood]

On 8 May 2010, at 21:28, Michael Kann  wrote:


Randall Reetz:

What I have always wanted is a browser that goes way beyond
"view source", allowing instead an "edit mode" that allows
direct manipulation of page elements in vitro.

Your wish is my command:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843


Or turning on the debug menu in Safari, then right-click on anything  
in the page and 'inspect element'.


It's been a few years since all a browser would do was show you the  
source code.


Ian
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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos

[Ian Wood]

It's pure coincidence, I'd been thinking earlier this week that Rev  
would be perfect for generating HTML5 stuff online/on-the-fly, but  
without having the required amount of web knowledge.


I'll be watching with interest, and it's sparked off a few ideas for  
'intelligent' photo galleries...


Ian

On 8 May 2010, at 14:44, Jerry Daniels  wrote:

Ian, YES that's exactly right. revServer is excellent for this chore  
and ones like it.

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On-Rev v. revBrowser v. revWeb etc. (was: Check out Jerry's new videos)

[Ian Wood]

On 8 May 2010, at 10:30, Peter Alcibiades wrote:



OK, just to be clear, is this how it is?

--  If you have subscribed to the on-rev hosting service, you can  
then write

and host pages on it, using any text editor, which will allow any web
browser to run your web apps, but only (at least at the moment) from  
the

on-rev server run by Rev itself.


Yes, because it's server-side scripting. All the compilation and  
execution of Rev script is taking place on the On-Rev server. The  
viewer's browser just sees the results of the script, usually as HTML.


-- if you have the desktop rev-web client, you can debug the pages  
you have
written for the rev-web hosting service, online.  However, you don't  
have to

have this to run and manage the pages.


Correct.

-- If you have revBrowser, you can display any web pages in Rev  
stacks.


There's no revBrowser separate revBrowser product any more, it's part  
of the core engine these days. But yes, it's basically a browser  
window embedded within your Rev stack.


-- if you have the browser plugin, you can run revlets, ie stacks  
you've
compiled for the web, in the browser with that plugin, and these can  
be

hosted anyplace you can get anyone to host them, including locally.


Yes.

Is that how it goes?  So if you're running and writing for Linux,  
you can
write pages for the rev-web server, and they will run in any browser  
on any
OS including Linux, but the only way to do that is by subscribing to  
the

hosting service.


Yes. I think the On-Rev engine is still due to be released for people  
to install on their own servers at some stage.


Ian
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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos

[Ian Wood]

On 8 May 2010, at 02:21, Colin Holgate wrote:

people like me who want to do iPad apps will realize that your tool  
won't work offline, and so won't be interested.


That depends on how Rodeoapps sets up the pages - the HTML5 spec  
allows for data to be stored locally on the browsing device via SQLite.


On 8 May 2010, at 09:16, Peter Alcibiades wrote:


"Peter, you don't need the On-Rev client app to use On-Rev."

But don't you need the browser plug-in to use the pages you've  
made?  For

instance, I seemingly can't get to the parts of your site that are Rev
based, because of no plug-in.   Or is this a mistake?


On-Rev is equivalent to things like PHP - it's ALL server-side. I use  
it for a number of more complex utility pages that I'd never have time  
to learn how to do in PHP. Like Sarah says, all you need to do is  
upload .irev text files. The desktop client then gives you the ability  
to debug remotely.


Sarah's site has both information about On-Rev and information about  
the plug-in, two separate things.


Can you step through it,  you want to make a web app, usable through  
the
browser, either on the local machine  or on a local server, or on  
the On-Rev

server.  What bits exactly do you have to use from Rev?


I assume that their service is using the On-Rev server to generate all  
the HTML5/CSS/JS files.


Ian
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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos

[Ian Wood]

On 8 May 2010, at 00:52, Peter Alcibiades wrote:


Of course they thought of this.


Yes, we *know* that Apple thought of it - it's one of the recommended  
methods for creating iPhone/iPad content, with tons of documentation  
on Apple's developer site and with specific tools in Xcode. Plus  
PhoneGap has been confirmed as working this way without breaking the  
SDK terms.


http://developer.apple.com/tools/dashcode/

;-)

Ian
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Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work?

[Ian Wood]

On 8 May 2010, at 00:12, Bob Sneidar wrote:

The vast majority of ANY kind of video these days is flash or  
windows media. quicktime is small potatoes.


Please don't make the standard mistake of thinking in terms of Flash  
v. h264. The vast majority of video is h264-encoded, whether that file  
is then shown in a Flash viewer, QT, HTML5 etc.


Ian
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Re: Programming on iPad

[Ian Wood]

On 5 May 2010, at 23:57, René Micout wrote:


Not if it is develop with Objective C (or C++)...


If it actually *runs* anything in the dev environment then it falls  
foul of the 'no interpreted code' clause no matter what is was written  
in, but then so do most of the games on the store.


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Re: OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition

[Ian Wood]

On 3 May 2010, at 06:47, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:


Why don't you ask the guys at adobe if their content is really aware.


So your only response to someone taking the time to go through your  
email in a serious manner and discuss the topics included is to take a  
pot-shot and not respond to any of the points?


Yep, put me down as another person who's putting your email address  
into the spam filter as a troll.


Ian


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OT?: AI, learning networks and pattern recognition (was: Apples actual response to the Flash issue)

[Ian Wood]

Now we're getting somewhere that actually has some vague relevance to  
the list.



On 2 May 2010, at 22:39, Randall Reetz wrote:


I had assumed your questions were rhetorical.


If I ask the same questions multiple times you can be sure that  
they're not rhetorical.


When I say that software hasn't changed I mean to say that it hasn't  
jumped qualitative categories.  We are still living in a world where  
computing exists as pre-written and compiled software that is  
blindly executed by machines and stacked foundational code that has  
no idea what it is processing, can only process linearly, all  
semantics have been stripped, it doesn't learn from experience or  
react to context unless this too has been pre-codified and frozen in  
binary or byte code, etc. etc etc.  Hardware has been souped up.  So  
our little wrote tricks can be made more elaborate within the  
substantial confines mentioned.  These same in-paradigm restrictions  
apply to both the software users slog through and the software we  
use to write software.


As a result, these very plastic machines with mercurial potential  
are reduced to simple players that react to user interrupts.  They  
are sequencing systems, not unlike the lead type setting racks of  
Guttenburg-era printing presses.  Sure we have taught them some  
interesting seeming tricks – if you can represent something as  
digital media, be it sound, video, multi-dimentional graph space,  
markup – our sequencer doesn't know enough to care.


So for you, for something to be 'revolutionary' it has to involve a  
full paradigm shift? That's a more extreme definition than most people  
use.


Current processors are capable of 6.5 million instructions per  
second but are used less than a billionth of available cycles by the  
standard users running standard software.


From a pedantic, technical point of view, these days if the processor  
is being used that little then it will ramp down the clock speed,  
which has some environmental and practical benefits in itself. ;-)


As regards photo editing software, anyone aware of the history of  
image processing will recognize that most of the stuff seen in  
photoshop and other programs was proposed and executed on systems  
long before some guys in france democratized these algorithms for  
consumer use and had their code acquired by adobe.  It used to be  
called array arithmetic and applied smoothly to images divided up  
into a grid of pixels.  None of these systems "see" an image for its  
content except as an array of numbers that can be crunched  
sequentially like a spread sheet.


It was only when object recognition concepts were applied to photos  
that any kind of compositional grammar could be extracted from an  
image and compared as parts to other images similarly decomposed.   
This is a form of semantic processing and has its parallels in other  
media like text parsers and sound analysis software.


You haven't looked up what content-aware fill *is*, have you? It's  
based on the same basic concepts of pattern-matching/feature detection  
that facial recognition software is based on but with a different  
emphasis.


To paraphrase, it's not facial recognition that you think is the only  
revolutionary feature in photography in twenty years, it's pattern- 
matching/detection/eigenvectors. A lot of time and frustration would  
have been saved if you'd said that in the first place.


Semantics opens the door to the building of systems that  
"understand" the content they process.  That is the promised second  
revolution in computation that really hasn't seen any practical  
light of day as of yet.


You're jumping too many steps here - object recognition concepts are  
in *widespread* use in consumer software and devices, whether it's the  
aforementioned 'focus-on-a-face' digital cameras, healing brushes in  
many different pieces of software, feature recognition in panoramic  
stitching software or even live stitching in some of the new Sony  
cameras.


Semantic processing of content doesn't magically enable a computer to  
initiate action.


Data mining really isn't semantically mindful, simply uses  
statistical reduction mechanisms to guess at the existence of the  
location of pattern ( a good first step but missing the grammatical  
hierarchy necessary to work towards a self optimized and domain  
independent ability to detect and represent salience in the stacked  
grammar that makes up any complex system.


Combining pattern-matching with adaptive systems, whether they be  
neural networks or something else is another matter - but it's been a  
long hard slog to find out that this is what you're talking about.


Adaptive systems themselves are also quite widespread by now, from  
Tivos learning what programmes you watch to predictive text on an  
iPhone, from iTunes 'Genius' playlists & recommendations through to  
Siri (just bought up by Apple, as it happens).


Such systems will need to work all

Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

[Ian Wood]

On 2 May 2010, at 21:24, Randall Reetz wrote:

Now at cafe and ready to respond to substantive questions and  
comments.


So what's stopping you? Why not start with explaining why facial  
recognition is the only revolution in photo programs in two decades?


Ian
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Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

[Ian Wood]

On 2 May 2010, at 20:13, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

So, how about some content?  A substantive rebuttal?  Putting your  
ideas out there for all to see?


How about replying to direct questions asked of you, for instance why  
facial recognition is revolutionary but content-aware fill isn't? Or  
why the examples of things facial recognition is being used for *now*  
in consumer products is 'Almost nothing'.


It would also be useful if you could explain what you mean by  
revisionist applications. I *assume* you are talking about apps that  
are evolutionary rather than revolutionary in how they change what  
people do with them, but it's not clear and 'revisionist' has some  
very specific connotations.


Ian
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Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

[Ian Wood]

On 2 May 2010, at 12:16, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:


Are you kidding?


No.


 These are revisionist applications exactly as I have noted.


Again, I have no idea what you are talking about.

The only revolution in photo programs in the last 20 years is face  
recognition.


Why is facial recognition revolutionary, but content-aware fill, non- 
destructive/parametric adjustments etc. etc. *not* revolutionary?



But what has been done with it?  Almost nothing.


What's 'almost nothing'? There are apps such as iPhoto which can auto- 
crop images to show just the faces, cameras which use facial  
recognition to choose where to focus or wait for the subject to smile  
to take the photo. At the moment you are just making yourself look  
ignorant.



Is it available to rev programmers?


As far as I know there are command-line apps around.


 Can it be generalized to learn any object?


It's the other way around - facial recognition algorithms are mostly  
based on more general feature-recognition code (feature as in distinct  
areas of an image, not necessarily part of a face). Look up SIFT and  
similar stuff, it's what's revolutionised all kinds of panorama  
stitching and image alignment apps over the last 5-6 years.



 Does it get better as we all work with it?


Yes, most software that includes facial recognition *only* works at a  
useable level by using user-confirmed results to improve the hit-rate.


Ian
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Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

[Ian Wood]

On 2 May 2010, at 12:06, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

Revolutionary?  A supercomputer that has been trained to know where  
to paste a postal code?  Doing alan turing proud!


Please explain your comment. It makes no sense. :-(

Ian
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Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

[Ian Wood]

On 2 May 2010, at 11:29, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

What I am frustrated with is the continual revisionist approach to  
software development... that photshop seemed great 20 years ago  
really doesn't mean we should still be subjected to it's awkwardness  
today.


Which is why a lot of photographers now use LightRoom, Aperture or  
similar...


Ian
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Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

[Ian Wood]

On 2 May 2010, at 11:07, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:


I am talking revolutionary innovations, not feature creep.


It's not clear who you're responding to here, but if it was my remark  
about content-aware fill then you have no idea how revolutionary some  
examples of feature creep can be in their field.


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Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

[Ian Wood]

On 1 May 2010, at 23:44, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

 I have yet to hear an open source advocate talk to the evolution of  
technology.


Depends on your definitions. One of the big new features for CS5  
(content-aware fill) was already available as a plug=in for the GIMP.


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Re: Apples actual response to the Flash issue

[Ian Wood]

On 1 May 2010, at 08:55, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

HTML5 is not open.  Its a different flavor of proprietary, by the  
way.  H264

is proprietary.


H264 is proprietary, but h264 is NOT part of HTML5. HTML5 just  
specifies a video tag without specifying the type of video.


HTML5 is no more proprietary than previous versions of HTML.

Ian
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Re: OT Exporting movie clip to stills

[Ian Wood]

On 29 Apr 2010, at 23:41, Mark Swindell wrote:

The down side is one can't set the parameters of how many frames per  
second to export


Click the 'Options...' button in the save dialog, but for best results  
make sure you pick a frame rate that is a nice divider of the actual  
video framerate.


QT Pro is *enormously* powerful for this kind of thing, but the  
interface sucks.


Ian
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Re: launch URL not working with a # character in the URL string

[Ian Wood]

On 29 Apr 2010, at 21:10, Richard Gaskin wrote:


I believe you'll need to specify a page with that, so this:

 launch url "http://www.example.com/index.html#foo";

...should work.


That's correct. "http://www.example.com#foo"; isn't a valid URL, as far  
as I'm aware.


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Re: OT Exporting movie clip to stills

[Ian Wood]

On 28 Apr 2010, at 17:16, Mark Swindell wrote:

I own Quicktime Pro.  I don't see this feature in it.  Can you point  
me to how to achieve this as a batch function in QT Pro?



Again, in case you missed this reply the first time around. This  
functionality is built in to QT Pro.


Ian


On 28 Apr 2010, at 17:52, Ian Wood wrote:

1. QuickTime Pro. Export..., Movie to Image Sequence will do roughly  
what you want.


2. Remember that a video file is a series of discrete frames. Making  
a selection and then exporting an image sequence with an arbitrary  
number of frames or arbitrary framerate is a recipe for a mess...


Ian


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Re: OT Exporting movie clip to stills

[Ian Wood]

On 28 Apr 2010, at 15:45, Mark Swindell wrote:


Select a dive (a five second section of .mov file)
Select 10 frames
Click export
You get 10 evenly spaced stills of the dive (a stop action  
sequence)  exported to the folder of your choice


1. QuickTime Pro. Export..., Movie to Image Sequence will do roughly  
what you want.


2. Remember that a video file is a series of discrete frames. Making a  
selection and then exporting an image sequence with an arbitrary  
number of frames or arbitrary framerate is a recipe for a mess...


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Re: Heather Are You All OK with the Ash!

[Ian Wood]

On 20 Apr 2010, at 00:41, J. Landman Gay wrote:

:) I saw something on CNN that said Europe was having a veggie  
shortage because the produce in Africa couldn't be flown in.


OT: the other side of this is that several of the African farmer's co- 
ops are big in trouble, putting thousands of people out of work.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8629079.stm

The effect of the eruptions goes beyond Europe. :-(

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Re: Scrolling in image

[Ian Wood]

Group the image, set the size of the group to the size of the  card  
and lock it's position. You can then add scrollbars.


If you want more 'direct' mouse interaction take a look at the Grab  
command in the dictionary, or wait for one of the other members to  
post some more sophisticated code for grabbing and moving objects...


Ian

On 17 Apr 2010, at 00:35, edward cawley  wrote:

I have a large map image on a card, bigger than the cd window. I  
would like to scroll around the map by moving the image within the  
window using the mouse.

Ed

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Re: [slightly OT] Off for a couple of days

[Ian Wood]

On 13 Apr 2010, at 11:46, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:


Hi all,

for reasons beyond my control, I am forced to take a couple of days  
off (kid #3 is due any day now).
If you have any questions regarding our products and services,  
please allow for a little longer delay before I can respond.
If you have any urgent queries, please send email to  
i...@derbrill.de and I will try to respond ASAP.


All the best,

Malte


Congratulations!

Ian

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Re: Question about RevMobile

[Ian Wood]

On 13 Apr 2010, at 02:47, Andre Garzia wrote:

Still the iPhone OS is quite good, specially version 4 that doesn't  
run on

my iPhone 3G...


It runs, it just doesn't multi-task with third-party apps. :-(

Ian
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Re: [OT] What's an iPad?

[Ian Wood]

On 12 Apr 2010, at 15:41, Colin Holgate wrote:


On Apr 12, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Ian Wood wrote:

The iPad does *not* have a USB port. There's a camera adapter kit  
with a USB port, but nobody knows if this can be used for anything  
but connecting to a camera.


The iPad connects to my Mac via its USB cable, for what that's worth.


A USB cable is not a USB port... ;-)

Like I said, at this point nobody knows if it's possible to plug USB  
devices such as mice into an iPad via the Camera Connector Kit.


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Re: [OT] What's an iPad?

[Ian Wood]

On 12 Apr 2010, at 13:10, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

I see that the iPad has a USB2 connexion - but whether the iPhone OS  
will recognise pointing devices (seems unlikely) . . .  ?


The iPad does *not* have a USB port. There's a camera adapter kit with  
a USB port, but nobody knows if this can be used for anything but  
connecting to a camera.


Ian
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Showcase of Rev-built apps?

[Ian Wood]

Against my own better judgement, I've got involved in one of the  
iPhone SDK threads over on Ars, and of course brought Rev up as  
something that can build native-looking apps (something that is  
apparently impossible!).


Does anyone know of a showcase of Rev-built apps, or have links to  
some which are particularly Mac-like?


Ian
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Re: Do ... as Applescript, bugs??

[Ian Wood]

On 11 Apr 2010, at 19:18, Andrew Meit wrote:

Ahh I had an insight to rework it and now it works. However, am  
always wanting to work smart than hard...
I am creating AS statements on the fly via Rev then sending them to  
Applescript editor to be compiled and saved via clipboard.
Is there a way to send a list of AS statements to AS to be compiled  
and saved?


Like this?

do "Tell process "&"Applescript"&cr&"to compile "&AS_stmts as  
Applescript


thanks, andrew


You can compile AppleScripts via the command line although I've not  
done much of it. Have a look at osacompile and osascript in the  
Terminal.


http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/osacompile.1.html

Ian

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Re: Do ... as Applescript, bugs??

[Ian Wood]

On 11 Apr 2010, at 17:22, Andrew Meit wrote:

I am struggling to figure out why do as Applescript works once  
correctly but second time its fired off, Rev hangs and returns  
"execution error". My As code works correctly within the As editor  
all the time. I am talking directly to the Applescript editor with  
my do statements. I am using 4.0. Are there known bugs with As with  
Rev at this time?

Any As gurus willing to help please contact me off list. Thanks


Can you post a sample of your script?

Also, are you scripting the Script Editor itself? Otherwise there  
should be no need to talk to it.


Ian
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Re: [OT] Mac Batch Converter

[Ian Wood]

In theory anything that's calling QT directly (such as iTunes and  
QuickTime Player) can play a protected MP4 file.


Out of curiosity, how old is the file? The iTunes Store dropped the  
DRM from music files some time ago, or so i seem to remember.


Ian

On 9 Apr 2010, at 16:03, Bob Sneidar wrote:


But I don't think anything but iTunes can even play M4P encoded songs.


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OT?: fonts on the iPhone and iPad

[Ian Wood]

Just came across a handy list of the fonts and styles installed on the  
iPhone and iPad.


http://www.michaelcritz.com/2010/04/02/fonts-for-ipad-iphone/

Handy for the people exploring revMobile.

Ian
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Ewoks Ahoy!

[Ian Wood]

In case you're not subscribed to the newsletter:
http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/april/issue90/newsletter2.php?id=NW0090S15466

Lovely!

Ian
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Re: OT?: heavy weather near the Runrev office

[Ian Wood]

I resemble... err, *object* to that remark... ;-)

Ian

On 31 Mar 2010, at 22:54, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Ergo, seedy programmers who write for the web are drupals.


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Re: OT?: heavy weather near the Runrev office

[Ian Wood]

Sounds about right, with the addition of 'if it's the size of a  
somethingapple and it's a colour you're not used to then it's an  
orange'. ;-)


Ian

On 31 Mar 2010, at 21:45, Andre Garzia wrote:

if it is really small or has little seeds all over it, then, it is  
named

somethingberry
if it is bigger than somethingberry or has not enough seeds around  
it, then,

it is named somthingcherry
if it is bigger then somethingcherry and you can throw at those  
silly guys

that try to rule you, then it is named somethingapple.


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Re: OT?: heavy weather near the Runrev office

[Ian Wood]

On 31 Mar 2010, at 13:27, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

The offices of RunRev are situated in the New Town; a good 500 feet  
above sea level;
so, while they may be able to pop along and tak a keek doun Leith  
Walk to the flooded
Ocean Terminal, they themselves should be as dry as one can get in  
Edinburgh


If you remember, we were in the same NDA meeting, plus I was out Leith  
way the next morning...


Still, it might be that list members find the clip interesting.

Ian
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OT?: heavy weather near the Runrev office

[Ian Wood]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8596344.stm

Waves battering the Leith Docks, a few miles from head office!

Ian
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Re: Interesting discussion on iPad content

[Ian Wood]

On 30 Mar 2010, at 13:01, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


The next, inevitable question is; when do your good folk either:-

produces iPad-functional versions of RunRev?


I suspect that this would be impossible given Apple's stance on no  
runtime-interpreted code in App Store apps. :-(



or

produce a standalone builder that can build iPad-functional  
standalones?


It's already slated for RevMobile, although 'when' is another matter.

http://www.runrev.com/products/revmobile/iphoneipad-q-and-a/

Ian
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Re: scripting applescript menu-clicking questions

[Ian Wood]

On 25 Mar 2010, at 15:02, Bernard Devlin wrote:


Thank you very much, Ian.  Much appreciated.  Amazing how much
knowledge is available on this list. :)


I mostly use Rev to create OS X 'bridges' between different apps, so  
GUI scripting comes in handy.



I'll look into Prefab UIBrowser.  Hopefully it is something I can
distribute with my app.


UIBrowser lets you see the exact path to any UI element in any app and  
then gives you the AppleScript syntax for performing actions on/ 
getting info about those elements. It also gives you the syntax for  
sending keypresses and all sorts of other info. In some cases you can  
even get values from text fields and sliders for apps without  
scripting dictionaries.


So it's a tool for helping you write the AppleScripts, without any  
need for you to then distribute it.


Ian
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Re: scripting applescript menu-clicking questions

[Ian Wood]

Off the top of my head...

On 25 Mar 2010, at 13:48, Bernard Devlin wrote:


Hi all,

I am having trouble with getting applescript to click on menu choices
in Safari (there is nothing in the dictionary for what I'm trying to
do).  Does anyone have any suggestions for how to handle these things?


Buy Prefab UIBrowser. Absolutely indispensable for this kind of stuff  
even though it hasn't been updated in a couple of years.



Secondly, will Safari be able to do these actions in the background?
I mean, in the script I'm currently working on, Safari is told to
"activate", then everything else happens.  Can I script menu
actions/button clicks without Safari becoming visible?


Anything involving mouse clicks *have* to be done with the target app  
frontmost. Menus will probably be the same.



Finally, assuming that all of this is possible, is there a version of
Applescript/OS X before which such things would not be possible?


10.2 required an additional download for GUI scripting, 10.3 had it  
built-in, but full features came with 10.4 and above.


Ian

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Re: Paris

[Ian Wood]

On 15 Mar 2010, at 15:58, stephen barncard wrote:


What allows this incredible zooming capacity?


Huge numbers of photos, and then being displayed via an image pyramid  
- the image is rescaled several times and then each size is split into  
tiles - as you navigate around the image, only the relevant tiles for  
the that zoom level are downloaded.


It's pretty standard stuff for viewing hi-res images, quite similar to  
Google Earth/Maps etc.


Ian
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Re: AW: ask file different behavior on Win7

[Ian Wood]

On 15 Mar 2010, at 09:15, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

That’s strange, using on Windows the Unix-Slashes instead of the  
Windows

backslashes.


Rev always uses forward-slashes internally. I wasn't even aware that  
you could pass through a backslash-delimited path on Windows and have  
Rev understand it!


Definitely post a bug if it works on other versions of Windows, though.

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Re: RevMobile first impressions?

[Ian Wood]

On 4 Mar 2010, at 22:42, Marian Petrides wrote:

I'd love to hear your more detailed impressions, Sarah, and I bet  
others would too.  Meanwhile, thanks for the early preview!


Ditto!

Ian
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Re: RevMobile first impressions?

[Ian Wood]

On 4 Mar 2010, at 21:02, François Chaplais wrote:

I went though the buying process and cancelled at the last moment  
when I saw the price...


That's my problem as well. As much as I want to do stuff for the  
iPhone and iPad without learning Cocoa, $800 plus $400 per year *on  
top* of my existing licence means a hell of a lot of app sales just to  
break even. For some who isn't primarily a programmer and wears a lot  
of other hats (photography, web stuff, installation artist etc.) it's  
not even in consideration. :-(


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Re: Faking OS X text field behaviour (was: Good books on Cocoa dev?)

[Ian Wood]

On 4 Mar 2010, at 12:42, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

Is this one of those "why not just do it, looks simple" things that  
runs into the apparently huge complexity of the field object? Which  
I seem to recall Scott Raney describing as the "monster" it terms of  
complexity.


That could well be.

Meanwhile, Firefox and other browsers use backgroundcolor to  
identify found text, so that technique is not foreign to  most  
users, though it's not quite what would be perfect.


To some extent that would actually be *worse* than making the text  
red, because by now it's become the most widely used visual trigger  
for finding within a document. To then use that for spell-as-you-type  
or similar would just cause confusion.


Ian
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Re: Faking OS X text field behaviour (was: Good books on Cocoa dev?)

[Ian Wood]

Votes added.

Ian

On 4 Mar 2010, at 00:37, Richard Gaskin wrote:

This inconsistency seems worth addressing, since doing so has  
practical application as you've noted, so I logged it as a request:





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Re: Faking OS X text field behaviour (was: Good books on Cocoa dev?)

[Ian Wood]

I just had a quick try but can't see how to apply a backgroundpattern  
to anything less than the whole field.


Do you have some example syntax for setting it for part of a field?

Ian

On 3 Mar 2010, at 22:03, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Have you tried a transparent GIF or PNG with the dash near the  
bottom, applied as the backgroundPattern of the portion of text  
being indicated?


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Re: Faking OS X text field behaviour (was: Good books on Cocoa dev?)

[Ian Wood]

On 3 Mar 2010, at 21:24, Scott McDonald wrote:

I understand why the RRP SpellCheck doesn't meet your needs, and you  
have certainly made several comments that give me ideas to work on.


Thanks for taking the in the way it was meant! That's partly why I  
changed the direction towards ways of improving the 'nativeness' of  
the existing field object.


If we can put together a standard behaviour set that anyone can then  
use which does the stuff like navigation shortcuts and contextual men  
items like search in Spotlight/Google it'll help everyone. There's  
enough knowledge and interest on this list to do a good job of it.


EDIT - Richard Gaskin has already chimed in with what should be a  
better idea than my overlay plan...


Ian
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Faking OS X text field behaviour (was: Good books on Cocoa dev?)

[Ian Wood]

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. It would certainly save me a lot  
of time if this could be done in Rev, so maybe it's time to look from  
a different direction - how do we make a Rev field as OS X-like as  
possible.


On 3 Mar 2010, at 04:00, Scott McDonald wrote:

The look of the spell check dialogue in the RunRevPlanet SpellCheck  
Stack is
completely "skinnable" so it may be simpler (and much quicker) to  
make it

look the way you need for your Mac application without learning Cocoa.


Your stack (and Sarah's AppleScript driven one) are the first places I  
looked.


If the RunRevPlanet SpellCheck Stack doesn't currently meet your  
needs, any

specific feedback is most welcome, as I work hard to make stacks from
RunRevPlanet do what Revolution users need.


Background - this is an app for metadata text entry for  
photojournalists. They are a fairly impatient bunch and tend to be  
working under a lot of pressure, and tend to have configured their  
Macs 'just so', with things like custom additions to the spell check  
dictionary.


Plus a surprising amount of Mac UI knowledge/fanaticism at the higher  
levels...



So replicating the native text box behaviour as closely as possible is  
a high priority. Here's a little list I've made up of differences  
between Rev fields and OS X fields, some apply to Scott's SpellCheck  
stack, others are general observations.



1. Navigational/selection shortcuts. Things like Rev using Command- 
left/right arrow to skip by word instead of the standard Mac shortcut  
of Option/Alt etc. I've not tried it yet but presumably this could all  
be handled with custom rawkeydown handlers - has anyone worked on this  
in the past?


2. The floating dictionary via Command-Control-D-hover. I'm not too  
bothered about this as it's rarely known let alone used, and there are  
still a few Carbon apps around that don't support it anyway.


3. Spell checking. This breaks down into a number of separate issues.

3a. Including spell checking in the first place. Scott's stack does a  
good job of providing the service, with Sarah's being a good proof-of- 
concept as well.


3b. Dictionaries. The RRP stack uses it's own dictionary, which makes  
it less useful to me as there's a good chance that the target audience  
have been adding words (place names, people's names) to the OS-level  
dictionary. If they are in a rush they won't want to add words again.  
Although this may not be as big an issue as I'm making it out to be.


3c. Visual representation of incorrect words. For this audience,  
anything but dashed red underlining is going to leap out as being a  
non-native app. Presumably I'd have to have a non-scrolling text field  
plus graphics built into a scrolling group to be able to 'fake'  
putting the red underlining. Again, has anyone attempted this before?


Cheers,

Ian
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OT: Good books on Cocoa dev? (spellcheck woes)

[Ian Wood]

I've got an app coming up which is Mac-only and will involve a lot of  
text entry where spell checking is critical (photographer's metadata  
entry) - no matter which way I look at it the various spellchecking  
workarounds/stacks for Rev just won't cut it as there's no way to make  
them look native enough and keep good performance. although I'd love  
to be proved wrong on that...


So, can anyone recommend a good starting point for Cocoa, for someone  
who's never been past 'Hello World' in XCode? ;-)


Ian
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Re: Here's a concrete example of the linux font problem

[Ian Wood]

Well excuse me for trying to think of a possible reason. ;-)

Ian

On 22 Feb 2010, at 11:24, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

So any explanation that tells me that OO sees one set of names for  
fonts

and RunRev sees another doesn't wash.


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Re: Here's a concrete example of the linux font problem

[Ian Wood]

That makes it looks like Rev is getting the names of the font *files*  
while OO is getting the *display names* of the fonts, as ITC is the  
International Typeface Corporation, one of the bigger companies that  
make fonts.


If you see a font like Garamond listed on a computer, it's *probably*  
ITC Garamond but could be Adobe Garamond, or any one of a whole bunch  
of other (very slightly different looking) versions of Garamond. Go to  
a site like identifont or myfonts and you'll be scared by how many  
variations of a single font turn up when you type in a font name...



You'll probably find that ITC Avatgarde is probably listed as  
Avantgarde by OO etc.



The positive side is that the way Rev is handling the fonts is that  
you know *which* version of the font is being used. The bad side is  
that anyone who cares which version is being used is probably using  
font management software on a Mac for DTP so it's irrelevant for  
Linux,  and that Rev is doing things differently than all the other  
apps on Linux. :-(


Ian

On 22 Feb 2010, at 09:16, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

Here is a concrete example.  I don't understand how Rev can be  
handling

fonts in such a way that this happens.

We open Rev, create a new stack, a new button, and then set the  
fonts.  The

choices available in the 'i' category are these:

itwasntme
itc avantgarde
itc bookman
itc zapf chancery


Now we open OpenOffice and choose a font in a word document, and are
offered, in the 'i' category, these choices:

idautomation3of9
iscopeur
iscocteur
itwasntme
italian garamond

So how exactly is Rev getting its fonts?  And why does it appear to  
get a

bunch that OpenOffice is not getting?  And why does it fail to get the
idautomation?  Just to verify, I tried Kwrite.  This gets the same  
fonts as

OpenOffice, with an additional one, impact.

Very strange.

Peter
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Re: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality

[Ian Wood]

On 8 Feb 2010, at 20:09, Michael Kann wrote:


YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE
YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE
YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE
YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE
YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE
YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE
YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE
YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE
YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE
YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE


Time limit on clips, give Google free distribution rights.
Time limit on clips, give Google free distribution rights.
Time limit on clips, give Google free distribution rights.
Time limit on clips, give Google free distribution rights.
Time limit on clips, give Google free distribution rights.


YouTube is a wonderful thing, IF you don't mind giving Google the  
right to distribute and sell your video with no royalties payable...


Ian
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Re: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet?

[Ian Wood]

Here in the UK my set arrived sometime last week.

Ian

On 4 Feb 2010, at 17:35, runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote:


Hi,

is there  anyone from germany here on the list, who has already   
received the Conference DVD set ?


Regards,

Matthias


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Re: [OT] .eml format

[Ian Wood]

Pretty well any email client should open it, it's just an email saved  
as a text file.


You get the same from Mail if you drag a message to the Finder - and  
Quick Look will actually display the formatted message.


Ian

On 1 Feb 2010, at 21:15, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

Somebody sent my wife a document with .eml as the suffix; this is  
from Microsoft Entourage or
Outlook Express. This is just fine and dandy if you have bought into  
the Microsoft "thang"; but we

haven't.

Thunderbird:

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

opened the .eml format document entirely smoothly (although an  
internet search only

seemed to yield leads to commercial software that  could do the job).
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Re: Rev + PNG Display on OS X 10.6

[Ian Wood]

On 14 Jan 2010, at 18:27, Scott Rossi wrote:

This might be useful for folks delivering image-heavy apps on Mac OS  
X 10.6

and later...

Apparently with Snow Leopard, Apple has changed the default gamma of  
the

system to 2.2 (used to be 1.8).




if "mac" is in platform() and systemVersion() > 10.5 then ...


That's not entirely true - on 10.6 a NEW Mac and any fresh install  
from scratch will default to 2.2. If you have *upgraded* to 10.6 the  
machine will be using whatever gamma it was on before.


Also bear in mind that the majority of photographers and web designers  
will have been using 2.2 for years now regardless of platform.


In other words, you can't assume that all machines running 10.5 or  
lower are using 1.8, and you can't assume that all machines running  
10.6 are using 2.2. :-(


Ian
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Re: OT: Panorama software

[Ian Wood]

Panoramas being my specialist area...

Cheap (free), powerful but a steeper learning curve than some apps  
would be Hugin. Hugin has a *very* active team of developers, so make  
sure you've downloaded a recent version.


Autopano Pro (nowhere near $379, not sure where you got that) is the  
easiest to use and the most automated, but can lack control if things  
don't do what you expect.


PTGui (PanoTools Graphical User Interface is the reason for the  
mouthful of a name) is what I use (the pro version, which has things  
like batch stitching and HDR which you won't need) and combines quite  
a bit of the ease of use of Autopano with a huge amount of control if  
you want to do more complex things.


All three of these work happily with multi-row panoramas and full  
sphericals.


Ian

P.S. Some useful pano-related sites:
http://ivrpa.org
http://panoguide.com
http://wiki.panotools.org/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PanoToolsNG/



On 6 Dec 2009, at 02:34, Sivakatirswami wrote:

I keep dreaming that one day I will get beyond admin and have time  
to do some "creative" well it may be soon.


What are everyone recommendations as of 2010

for best tools for creating panoramas (including 360 degree  
horizontal over head ones) on Mac OSX?


I see a an open source package which runs on Macs:

Hugin -- Free

http://hugin.sourceforge.net/download/

Autopano gets great reviews but $$379.00 seems a bit outrageous?

Panoweaver only outputs Flash...

Lots of windows only options which I can't use.

??

Sivakatirswami





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Re: increasing dpi in export snapshot

[Ian Wood]

On 21 Nov 2009, at 18:12, Durgesh Mishra wrote:

I am using export snapshot on group of text boxes and saving it to a  
JPG
file. Looking at the resulting JPEG file, it does not look very  
smooth. It

is pixelized as if some low resolution image.


What are you viewing the JPEG files in? Anything that displays them at  
actual pixel size should be near-identical to the original fields.


Ian
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Re: Stack magnification?

[Ian Wood]

It's the screen image being enlarged from actual pixels - of course  
it's blurry!


Ian

On 15 Nov 2009, at 21:11, Mark Swindell wrote:

Also, thanks for the tip on control scrolling (first necessary to  
change Universal Access preferences).  Unfortunately even with  
smoothing turned on the magnified display is blurry.


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Re: Does topleft property appears inverted?

[Ian Wood]

On 2 Nov 2009, at 23:47, Alejandro Tejada wrote:


That is, in the coordinate produced by this
property, first appear left and second, top.


That's how it is supposed to read, oddly enough!

Ian
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