Re: OT2: The 'realness' of languages
She began talking about how I might help with the design, but that of course when the design was finished a software firm would take over the development (presumably in some 'real' language like C). I didn't bother to tell her I COULD write in C, Java, PERL, PHP and so on, because it would be extraordinarily painful to do so. Has anyone else run into this issue? Do you dodge the 'what is it written in' question? How can we raise the profile of Revolution as a 'real' language? (Never mind what religion it might resemble!) What I do is I make it clear that if they want me to do something, then they are hiring me to produce something for them and the final program is merely the deliverable. I do point that I am proficient in over half a dozen languages and operating systems but it is still my *time* that they end up paying for and my choice of development language and operating system has to do with my *productivity* which equates to time savings. I then offer to quote to do it in some other language (or OS) if they like and usually that amount is about 2X what we were previously negotiating at. I also remind them at that point the maintenane costs would be higher and that it would require lots of billable training before I can hand the stuff over to one of their staff should they want to take over the entire project at some point. Usually they'll back off. That happened about 18 months ago because some new IT 'expert' came into the company and wanted to move everything to a Windows only environment and it meant that fundamentally changing the way some things were done in that particular system and was going to pose to be a real hassle especially mid way into the whole project. My rationale is simple, it takes me more time, the hassle factor is higher and in certain situations, my maintenance costs (which will be passed down to the client) is also much higher. So ultimately the price tag becomes the deterrent. In the Hypercard days, we were able to show by way of full scale demos of actual working apps that our 'toy' language version worked better than the 'real' language stuff that some other competitors were doing. Only once did a client (in 1990) actually ask for it to be faster and that was only after we had gone through lots of prototyping and had a finished app and in those days, we didn't have too many more optimizations left that we could do. At that point I fired up Prototyper to generate the code for the UI and rewrote the whole thing in Object Pascal in under 2 weeks and yes, it did work much faster. I've always found such questions odd and especially since they are based more on perception than anything else. Afterall, there was a time when PERL, PHP and Java were not considered 'real' languages since the prevailing 'wisdom' at the time was that you can't do 'real' work in an interpreted or bytecode based language and that real men only wrote in Assembly and that the really brave men coded directly in 1s and 0s (reminds me of a Dilbert episode). It is possible that question is used as a way to determine (very superficially) who macho a developer you are based on the language that you use. Its like the old days when management promoted a programmer based on how many more lines of code he produced than the other guy. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two)
I'm sorry to hear that this happened to you. I've been there, many years back but what I lost was in the hands of the operating system, not in the hands of a thief. I was 3 days away from submitting my project when I had been putting in lots of code changes in the past 2 days. A thought popped into my head that I should save the source so that I had a copy of the latest changes, which were the result of an extensive development session. It was at that precise moment that the mini computer system (bad old days of multi user terminals) decided to choke on its virtual memory system and ALL my code was scrambled randomly just as it was being saved to the disk. WHAM! not only was my code messed up, so was my drive copy. My only back up was a print out that was 2 days old. After throwing some chairs around in the terminal room (while in tears), I went back to my old source and rewrote everything with a vengeance, from memory and improved on it at the same time. In retrospect, perhaps I should have done that more often in some of my projects - throw the code away and rewrite it again - this would have worked better. I'm sure once you get over the emotional upheaval, you'll bounce right back and what you create this time around will be even better. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Image File Picker
Rev just calls the operating system to display its standard file dialog. If the OS doesn't support previews in that dialog, there isn't much you can do. That's why it works automatically in Leopard (where this feature was added) but not in Tiger. It works in Windows if the user sets the view to thumbnail, but of course the developer has no control over that. I suppose one could write an external to do it. Ah, I've found out what's going on. Nobody caught it earlier but the solution was to use answer file and not ask file. I've had a habit of mixing up the two of them ever since 1989 when I was using Hypercard. The previews now show up correctly. What added to the confusion was that in OS X the dialog windows were very similar, with only the previews disabled, but they would still show a file icon for preview, unlike Classic OS and I was very used to distinguishing the 2 diferent dialog windows by how they look. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Image File Picker
Hi, I'm wondering if anybody has already rolled out an image file picker that allows for image previews when asking a user to select an image? Maybe I'm missing something here because as far as I know, this is currently not possible using the ask file command and you let the user select a graphics file. So I'm assuming that there would be a need to implement something of our own. Does someone already have a sample stack that does that? Thanks, Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Image File Picker
on OS X 10.5 you get an image preview in the Rev import dialogs! Tested with Rev 2.9 and 3.0. Regards Klaus Major Going back to my original question - none of this works when you use the ask file command to get the user to specify a file. Does anybody have a stack or a solution where you can ask the user to specify a file and then be able to preview all the OS X graphics files that can be previewed from inside the file dialog window? I'm not asking about importing files in the development environment but providing such an interface to the end user in my own app. Thanks, Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: NEWS FLASH -iPhone SDK event -- iTunes APP store
And check this out - the iTunes App store?? AWESOME FOR DEVELOPERS Native iPhone apps will be distributed through the iTunes App Store, with wireless downloads. Developers pick the price, and get 70% of revenue. The 70% will be paid out to developers monthly, and there are no other recurring fees. The iTunes App Store will handle over the air updates to your applications. Developers of free applications will not be charged for Apple to deliver their applications through iTunes. Awesome stuff. Now the development is all done using Xcode and Cocoa. I'm wondering if it would be possible to port the Revolution engine over? What the App Store needs is the kind of explosion of applications that we enjoyed when Hypercard first came on the scene and Steve Jobs said that they would be hosting FREE applications, not just software for retail. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: NEWS FLASH -iPhone SDK event -- iTunes APP store
The iPhone version of XCODE is designed for the iPhone (XCODE Touch) - input and the other features of the iPhone require it. Also, there is a technical requirement that you use an Intel Mac with Leopard. Looks like a major (maybe impossible) job for Rev to be involved in this. sims Actually modified xcode code generation for the iPhone has been around for many months, but unsupported by Apple because this was done by the developer community. That's how a number of iPhone apps were developed, though without the benefit of being able to use a debugger or the simulator. That meant that prior to the release of this SDK, standard code (with some limitations of course - no multiple windows etc) was already being used to make apps for the iPhone. Apple's SDK just takes all this much further. All the input stuff is in the OS code or frameworks that's built in so you get to inherit lots of stuff automatically as long as you are using Cocoa. There's some new capabilities that are available, but for now, being able to create the kind of apps that we are able to do today (ok, 1 window apps) would already be nice. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Question about Revolution ofer
Hi, I just paid up for the following offer as a renewal to my existing license: http://www.runrev.com/offers/rshb/index.php?id=frontdoor The thing I can't figure out is where do I go to download all the other stuff that's bundled with the package. So far, I got an email that tells me about my GLX2 license and how to download Revolution. Did I misread the offer or misunderstand something? Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Question about Revolution ofer
Thanks for the replies. The offer is truly wonderful and I hope it has been good for the participating software publishers also. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: All this talk about DataBases
One huge advantage of using an external databsase like SQLite is the ability to store data outside of RAM. HyperCard used to use a non-RAM based design, but Rev stores everything in RAM. So, if you have an address book which has 100,000 records in a single stack, then all the records would need to be stored in RAM simultaneously, creating performance problems. Plus, there are a number of huge advantages of using real databases. Concurrent users, real transaction management, stored procs, etc.. What I can't understand is the given the huge difference in hw performance since the days of HC, we should at least expect to have something that performs reasonably well and on par with whatever we had back then. But we've gone through all the reasons and I understand, not posting this to gripe. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Standalone building Look and Feel
The problem is that in the current version of Rev, the standalone builder does not always copy the display plugin bundles to your new app, so they look like they are running under OS 9. You have to find the Plugins inside the Rev app package and copy them to the empty Plugins folder in your app. This is definitely NOT good. I managed to move the plugins into my standalone by viewing the package and then copying those files but it's going to be a nuisance to keep doing that unless I create a simple app that launches all the other external stacks. Might have to do that for now. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Standalone building Look and Feel
Hi, After quite some time, I've decided to try to release a standalone for testing and I've found some problems with the Look and Feel. I'm using 2.7.4 and I have global floating windows under OS X and was trying to build a Universal Binary. For some reason, while everything looked fine in the development environment, whenever I attempted to build the stack as a standalone, it showed up with an EMULATED MacOS Platinum look instead. It works fine under StackRunner if I drag and drop the stack on it. Am I missing an update or is there something that I missed out? I have the Default Appearance but it seems to explicitly default to Platinum. Apologies if this was something already covered, I did try to do a search but only found stuff about appearance on Linux. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OMG!!!! Steve Jobs is launching the iPhone and it runs MacOS X.
Apple already has a dev tool in beta (Dashcode) for Widgets so someone should check that out before they ventured into creating their own. You can get access to it with a free ADC developer account. -- Trevor DeVore The bigger implication here is that the iPhone runs on a version of OS X. That means that there's the possibility of us creating Apps for the iPhone via Revolution. You don't even need Widgets. Phone apps are one category, but there's also the internet enabled iPhone apps which is where Rev apps on the Mac desktop excelled in previously. Couple that with database iPhone apps which are connected over the internet via either Wi-Fi or EDGE and things get exciting - think of even corporate apps or apps that previously required a PDA with wireless comms that can now be replaced by Rev apps running on the iPhone using a finger gesture user interface. Also it would seem from the way Safari is running on the iPhone that there is some resolution independence. While we don't know what processor the iPhone is running on, it's probably not an Intel chip, so that means a different binary for the app. It would be nice to ultimately have a way to build Rev apps on this device. It would sure be much easier compared to developing apps for the Palm. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OMG!!!! Steve Jobs is launching the iPhone and it runs MacOS X.
I've got my fingers crossed but if Apple opens up the iPhone to apps other than widgets I will be in heaven. Especially if we can get access to the GPS data to determine where folks are. -- Trevor DeVore My guess is that there will have to be a special developer track at the WWDC to cover iPhone applications. Also the keyboardless capability is interesting in that Apple is probably using the iPhone to open up a whole new category of devices including larger handheld computers that do not have keyboards but have larger screens. Either way, developing in Rev is the way to go as opposed to using XCode. Oh yes, I did find out on an article that the iPhone runs on an unknown Intel processor. So that means that we can probably already generate applications for it. http://techdigest.tv/2007/01/apple_iphone_th_1.html Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Automatic tagging of text
Hi, I'm trying to automate something very repetitive here and I'm wondering if anyone has an example stack that does automatic generation of html anchor tags for email addresses and URLs? I would assume that this would include ensuring that the resulting email address and URIs are properly formed and that checking is done in case some tags are already there - properly dealing with cases like: http://www.runrev.com/ vs www.runrev.com and then taking the appropriate action to a href=http://www.runrev.com/;http://www.runrev.com//a Has anyone done this yet? We have a situation where we get long text articles and this automatic capability will help tremendously in helping us eliminate the amount of work by hand. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multi-standalone communication
Hi Jim, In my case, Applescript would be far too slow, since my messaging can be as many as 6-10 packets per second between the data service provider, 4 Rev apps local, and 6 Rev apps remote (and 3 of the remote apps are running on Windows) Two of the apps are running on the other side of the Atlantic on a Mac Mini Solo. I wasn't talking about AppleScript, but AppleEvents. These are far simpler and much faster to send/receive and decode than AS. 6 to 10 per second is probably not a problem for AppleEvents given that back in the 90s, AppleEvents were used to process CGIs on webservers running on Mac OS 8 and 9. AE wasn't quite a fast back then and it has improved quite a bit on OS X. Basically, it would be used as a simple messaging mechanism that could incorporate the packaging of parameterized data. The OS would automatically queue the messages so that you can process it in sequence. The key advantage is that is is simpler to manage than packet sending/receiving while still retaining much of the speed advantage. Do a search on the online document for AppleEvent and also Send. There's a built in handler for receiving AppleEvents and also a way to extract data from an AE object. You can use the send command as follows (quoting the online doc): send get field 3 to program Corporate Zone:Other Mac:Revolution send thisMessage to application FileMaker without reply send field ID 9 to program someProgram with GURLGURL If you notice the 1st example, it actually sends it across the network to a specific app on a specific machine. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multi-standalone communication
I agree, AppleEvents are easier and faster than AppleScript. However, in my particular case, it was UDP I used. -1- I need both Win and Mac -2- the Rev 'do script' was broken until 2.7 When I was using 2.6 I could not be sure when this would be fixed and could not wait -3- the data service uses UDP to broadcast, not AppleEvents -4- low traffic rate for UDP is about 150 packets per second so that I do not have to worry about not being able to receive fast enough, thus lost data is due to problems in my code AppleEvents is managed by the OS and since it gets queued for you, you never have to worry about not being able to receive fast enough. Once your app is receive to process the next AE, it's there sitting in the queue. One advantage over the data file approach is that you don't have to poll the file system regularly to see if there's something for you or not. Granted it eventually gets cached, but you still need to hit the file system (in memory) all the time. With AE, you are now event driven and only need to respond when you receive such an event. Otherwise, your app is just sitting pretty. It would be cool if you could make some useful example stacks that would show 3 apps using AppleEvents. I know Ken Ray has some good tips on his web site, which I have happily used. How would you use AppleEvents in your work flow? Jim Ault Las Vegas In the past, I had 2 apps running on the system. This was an interactive kiosk app plus a controller app. The controller app was written in C++ and basically did most of the AE handling and the kiosk app had some rudimentary AE capabilities. I had a 3rd app (sysadmin's app) running from across the network that would send AppleEvents to the remote machine's controller app. This app could then shut down the kiosk app, while it puts up a full screen that simply had a message saying that the system was currently under maintenance. It had the ability to then automatically download the latest version of the kiosk app (signalled by the sysadmin), update its local copy of the database and even reboot the machine if need be. The controller app also did other things like managed log files and it receives log data from the kiosk app to track what users did on the system. I can't remember how the log files were transmitted, but I think it was through AppleEvents across the network to the sysadmin's app (it's been at least 8 years or more). Once done, it would launch the kiosk app again. The kiosk app only needs to understand the quit AE, which is standard on the Mac and is sent everytime an app on OS X is required to quit itself. So basically the sysadmin's app did most of the sending, the controller app simply received AEs and responded and the kiosk app mostly did what it was designed to do and in addition, responded to the Quit AE and sent log data via AE to the controller app. Given the bandwidth limitations that I had back then (19.2kbps leased line modem connection bridging to a fibre network), it didn't make sense to use something like Timbuktu and I found this approach far more reliable. All this worked very nicely considering that we were running on OS 8.x without the kind of multitasking kernel that we have on OS X. My original inspiration for all this was the concept of remote debuggers where data was exchanged between the app being debugged and the debugger. I had hacked up a remote debugger for one of my server apps so that I could monitor the status via AE and grab information and this eventually morphed into the controller app that I used for networked kiosk management. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Multi-standalone communication
Hi, I've only been skimming through this discussion, but IF you are only running on the Mac, you might want to try using AppleEvents to communicate between the 2 apps in a peer to peer manner. You can design specific AE messages to mean certain things and then have the receiving app take appropriate action. You are able also to pass parameters and it need be, even have these 2 apps work across the network on different machines. I haven't had a chance to attempt all this on OS X, but since AppleEvents have been migrated over, it should pretty much just work with some minor modifications. Years back, I was able to even have this work across a LAN bridge that used a modem so that I could remotely control apps that were on a large fibre network, all from the comfort of home. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] - REALBasic Claims 100K Users
They are probably counting users of old versions also. I'm still on their mailing list and my old license going back to 2000 is still valid for upgrading so I think that makes me a Realbasic developer in their eyes. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Progresss while executing AppleScript
Not that I've been able to find. Even the syntax: send theHandlerName to this stack in 1 millisecond doesn't stop the AppleScript blocking the whole app. The only workaround I can think of is to have a second helper app with no GUI which you use to handle all the AS functions in the background, but this gets a bit over-complex. Ian The problem with this is that I have to use a more complex approach to figure out WHEN the Applescript has finished execution. It is easier if my app blocked during the execution, but I bring up a GUI app that shows the passage of time (but not progress) while the Applescript is executing. Once the Applescript is done, I can make that other app to quit via AppleEvents. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Progresss while executing AppleScript
Hi, I'm experimenting using Sean Shao's NSProgress widget and I'm using it to trigger the progress flower just before I execute an Applescript. The thing that I've discovered is that the Applescript execution seems to block everything else and that means that even though NSProgress widget attempts to send messages to itself regularly, as long as the AS is not completed, the progress flower stops spinning. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a workaround for this - whether it would be possible to use a send command to trigger the execution of the AS instead so that we are able to have the main user interface continue to operate while the AS operates in the background. Right now, the Applescript runs from within a handler. I know that one possibility would be to launch a precompiled Applescript from the app itself so that both can continue running, but I do forsee that this may not be possible in some cases as I would like to have a result returned via AS to my app. I know we don't have threaded execution right now, but is there a way to simulate that when executing an Applescript from within Rev? Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Attain Corp's IN Control - Anyone know where to get an old copy?
It's a long story, but I'm looking to find a copy of IN Control, Attain Corp's outliner/to do app. I know they went out of business about 10 years ago, and I've scoured the web looking for a copy - if you happen to have one or know someone who has one (any version), please let me know offlist. Oh, BTW, I am looking *specifically* for this software, and not for an alternative... Thanks! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I got InControl 4.0. I used to use it for project management and outlining, but still prefer using MORE. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language
If you poke about on the krugle site it is stated that it is devoted to Open Source languages. and, Here, We, Go, Again . . . So xTalk is not a real language, but it can be used to build real applications. Hmmm. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is WMV possible in Rev
Jesse, Have you tried Flip4Mac? Having to install additional software is not very attractive for software that is distributed, but if re-encoding is not an option, Flip4Mac might be the solution. Best, Mark Flip4Mac works as a Mac solution. But what if you want to embed WMV inside a stack running on Windows? Is there a way to do that? The problem is simply that my source material (not within my control) is in WMV. Else I would have had everything running on mp4 or AVC with Quicktime on both OS X and Windows. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is WMV possible in Rev
Hi RJ, I have Flip4Mac installed and can play WMV files in Revolution, running on a Mac with Mac OS X. The best option for cross-platform compatibility probably is avi or mpg. These formats can still use a variety of encodings and you will want to make sure that the encoding is available for all platforms. But assuming that you already have a library of stuff in WMV files, how do we implement playback of WMV from within a Rev stack that will work for BOTH OS X and Windows? Is there a way where this can be done? This is assuming that there's a bunch of WMV files and it is not possible nor desirable to transcode them to some other format (losing quality in the process). Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev on Universal Binary
We'll publish more information on this when we start the test cycle for a universal version. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Ok. Thanks Kevin, I look forward to hearing more news about this, especially also information on how Rev is currently doing on Rosetta for those who might have to work with that during the interim. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Rev on Universal Binary
Jesse, Ok. Thanks Kevin, I look forward to hearing more news about this, especially also information on how Rev is currently doing on Rosetta for those who might have to work with that during the interim. What is Rosetta? Scott Rosetta is the PowerPC emulator that runs on the Intel Macs. It allows existing PowerPC code to be executed on the new intel macs transparently. That includes the current version of Revolution which I assume is able to run flawlessly already. The question of course is whether the plug-ins will run smoothly including things like video capture and so forth. Again I'm guessing but it's probably quite transparent. The issue is whether there is a significant performance hit or not. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Rev on Universal Binary
Thank you for taking the time to explain it. It's the fist I've heard of Rosetta. Scott It's supposed to run really fast on the new Macs and that's the only reason why Apple can release their Intel Macs so soon without fear of incompatible software or the lack of upgrades. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev on Universal Binary
Hi, Now that Apple has shipped some machines that are running on Intel processors, I'm wondering if there are announcements on the part of RunRev as to when there might be Universal Binary editions of Revolution? What are the implications with respect to plug ins? Potentially it could mean that an Intel based Rev calling a PowerPC plugin. Has anyone done some evaluation of those things? Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: mTropolis Refugees
I used mTropolis 2.0 for an interactive CD/ROM that was used to promote Singapore. We had QTVR's of Raffles hotel and other famous landmarks, quicktime video, stills, maps and most innovatively at that time live links to the updatable information on the web for hotel bookings and theme park availability etc. Oh, those were the days. What a fantastic product it was, and I still say Damn Adobe and Quark for killing it between them... Cheers John T Hi John, Interesting. I'm also in Singapore and we were looking at using the brand new (then) mTropolis 2.0. Anyway we got burnt by that and it took me many years before I got rid of the mTropolis box that was sitting on my shelf. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Browser Fields
Hi, Has anyone attempted to implement the kind of browser set of fields that you see in iTunes and in the OS X Finder? I need to design something like that for a particular application that will allow the user to browser a hierarchical set of data that is partitioned into categories and subcategories. Currently, that's set up as a series of hierarchical folders and subfolders on the file server and I want to provide an easy way for them to browse and then use the data files. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Early Update Pack
Hi, I'm curious about what's the advantage of the Early Update Pack for Rev Studio. As a developer who's delivering a project, is it advantageous to sign up for it? I guess what I'm trying to figure out is whether the Early Update allows me to tap in early into bug fixes or is this more to tap into early releases of new features? When bringing a new system online, I would rather take more bug fixes and less new features so I'm not sure if this is for me or not. Perhaps someone who's on the programme might want to comment on this. Thanks. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
re: RunRev PDAs
One application I urge people to try is CASL www.caslsoft.com Wow, I haven't seen anything about CASL for a number of years and it's definitely progressed quite a bit. The ability to target the app to Windows, Palm and PocketPC is impressive. I would much rather work in xTalk though. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ISAM
Unfortunately I don't know where to find such things. I spend a fair part of my life sucessfully avoiding database work, and would hate to break that record now. :) Hopefully someone here who's worked with ODBC will be able to help out Man after my own heart Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution vs other solutions
I am familiar with much of what you describe as being part of the solution set you have to craft and I don't know of a single obstacle in Revolution that would not make it not only a viable choice but clearly the best choice given all you've said about your background and experience. Designed properly, my guess is there's a significant market for the finished product beyond your main client. I'd go for it. I was planning to go for it anyway, but just wanted to be sure that there are no stones left unturned. My choice was an intuitive one, but given that there were folks on this list who are developing on more than one environment, I thought I might ask and see if someone could give me an objective answer. I'm up against pretty tough competition - the Old system. That one was left unmaintained for the better part of 12 yrs or longer and it's still running fine today. IF the machine or the system goes down today, they are pretty much out of business and so it's got to be pretty robust. The question of course is whether I'm going to be able to achieve that with Revolution/AppleScript/InDesign as opposed to Think C++/QuarkXpress. I'm pretty much fighting against my past. I'm also being careful here because I had to backtrack once in the early stage of a major project after things pretty much were working even in a prototype demo running on SC and I had to rewrite everything using Macromedia Director just so that I could have finer control over display elements on the screen. That was an exercise in frustration because every month that went by was a constant nagging reminder that I could have wrapped up the whole system months ago, cashed in the billables and gone on vacation! Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution vs other solutions
Hi, I'm writing this to all those who had made their own evaluations to switch to Revolution for comment. I've been monitoring this list and reading the discussions for some time while doing some small evaluations of Revolution from time to time as I was anticipating a rather large project that would kick off in the near future. Well after quite a bit of time, it looks like things are definitely going to kick off real soon. The project involves the automation of page layout from a set of text data, integrating that with the workflow of a graphics dept in a publishing company to build a final document within Adobe InDesign. This will involve tracking of graphics files (photoshop, tiff, PDF), XML, text parsing, AppleScript integration with InDesign and also building a publication database out of the exported text data that will come to us. That will mean that I will also need some sort of robust but lightweight database solution that's integrated with Revolution and can support multiple users. This project is an entire REWRITE of a 15 yr old system that I had delivered to them in 1990. The system was built around QuarkXpress and I had written a plug in to do all that using Quark's ver 2.x APIs. It's interesting that because of the CEO's insistence that they do not upgrade to Quark 3.0 and they milk every bit of the system for what it was worth, that we have this desperate situation today that they must go for a full rewrite as the system can no longer be upgraded. It has been running since then and my last bug fix was somewhere in 1992 and they are still running on the old Quark 2.1x application. They could not go past System 8.0 without breaking QuarkXpress and that meant that they could not go with a machine more recent than a Mac blue white G3. Nothing can move forward now without breaking one of the key components and it's so long ago that none of the source code exists as my original company has ceased to exist some years ago. The fact is that I've been making most of my assumptions that I will be building this using Revolution, integrating with InDesign and Finder via AppleScript. I might also work with them on integrating Photoshop and Illustrator/Freehand so that everything works very smoothly. At this point in time, I guess what I'm looking for is to find out if there's any good reason for me NOT to use Revolution. I've worked with Hypercard/Supercard since the late 80s and am at home with xTalk, but used to write lots of plug ins for HC/SC and also Quark though I much prefer not to. Key considerations here are 1. commitment to move Rev from PowerPC to Intel and I will probably be eligible for MacTel seeding so this is something I want to test. 2. Stability - it's nice not to have the system break because of my own code but I and the users would be very helpless if the underlying engine breaks for reasons beyond our control.3. the existence of a pool of smart friends, something that I'm already certain exist on this mailing list. I would probably need to look at some form of XML manipulation library that is not memory based and is also fast. I have considered using Supercard 4.5 and also RealBasic - both of which I'm extremely familiar with but I have doubts at this point in time as to whether SC can give me everything I need plus it's checkered history makes me wary. RealBasic can do the job, but somehow I won't have as much time to work on this as I used to, plus I don't think I'm going to enjoy the development experience quite as much as I've built working apps with it before. So I guess this is a rather strange request - does anyone have a good reason why I should not use Rev at all? :-) I'm being pulled out of retirement from software development to do this thing and right now, I'm starting from scratch including having to incorporate a company just to do this thing. The users have searched for the last 5 or 6 years to find someone who can replace the system and it keeps coming back to me even though I tried to turn them down some years ago. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: two questions (was Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?)
We will be providing complete support for this transition. Kind regards, Kevin Thanks. One thing is for sure, Rev will be the best way to go when it comes to bulletproofing your code against any processor architecture transitions. One more reason to spend more time developing in Rev instead of using XCode. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?
I don't think you are understanding what Rosetta is. It reads the binary of one machine and Compiles it on the fly into the binary of a new machine. The result is the the new machine is not interpreting the other machines instruction set, but conceptually recompiling at the binary level and executing at machine code speed. This method introduces very little overhead. You should see 80-90% of native speed. I can live with that. A good virtual machine might give you 10% of native speed. That is why I keep telling you that this is revolutionary and will change the nature of cross platform development. But for now Apple seems content to just use it to make their transition seamless for the users and developers. This is the same as the dynamic compiling 68K emulator that Apple switched to on all their PowerPC Macs. It is still there after more than 10 years and is running fine as I have apps dating back to 1990 that work under Classic. But that's the whole point - it is totally transparent and seamless. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Podcasting
Jesse, Check out the 'record sound' command in the documentation. Also, you may want to check out Trevor's Quicktime externals at: http://www.mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/ as they may be of help in recording audio, too. -Chipp Thanks. I was wondering actually if someone had been doing the work of generating the RSS 2.0 code with enclosures? Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Podcasting
Hi, Has anyone tried writing tools in Rev to support Podcasting? I'm interested in using Rev to automate many of the production related tasks in Podcasting and even automating uploads. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Adobe kills Director
You know, Jesse, I COMPLETELY get it now. xTalk is the main reason why I decided to check out (and then buy a copy of) RR a couple of months ago. I'm completely hooked on the language, which is stupid and crazy, since I've worked in 30+languages, most of them BEFORE xTalk, and I had more-or-less given up on xTalk for the last 10 years. I've been in the same situation. I could do the other stuff better than most people but there was something about XTalk that was unmatched. I compared it to writing novels vs writing poetry. XTalk development was like poetry, you do it in small chunks, in small, elegant bits and instead marching down the timeline of a project, you could sprint in short spurts and then get to enjoy the scenery at the same time. It isn't rational to like xTalk more than BASIC. OK, no, that's so not true. I'm shutting up now. I actually was pondering writing an xTalk interpreter/cross-compiler earlier this year until I discovered RR. With the innovations that SC brought after I gave up on it that were then incorporated into RR I'm glad I didn't. Of course, RR has quirks in it that are extremely annoying, but with some suggestions from Richard, I'm hopeful that I can ultimately overcome them. Folks used poo-poo the stuff I did in SC, saying that they could better with all their advanced tools and superior brains, but nothing ever came out of those projects, while I moved it from black and white Hypercard to Hypercard with 24 bit colour using my own externals, to SC. While lots of things took very little code in SC, you can build very sophisticated things with much code. Getting to enjoy Rev a bit more and it helps when you try it out, do some stuff, back off, think a bit before going back to it some more. Getting into Rev isn't quite the same as SC or HC, but it isn't difficult either. Ultimately, I think it's because the development model better suits the playfulness in my mind when I'm initiating a new project. It invites the playfulness and the experimentation, very much like messing around with your kids' Lego bricks. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Using OS X Services
Hi, One of the things I'm trying to figure out is whether it is possible for a Rev application to call on OS X services? Is is just a simple matter of using the domenu command or do I need to use some external to accomplish this? Also, if the service is a text service, do I need to actually have a field with a selection so that it would work? Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software
I have my own theories about the best audiences for RR to pursue, and I won't burden the list with them because I don't get to vote anyway, but those abandoning VB isn't on my list. dan Those abadoning VB want to go to something that allows them to get their apps up and running with very little code changes. They have an existing investment in their codebase and need to move it. The differences between VB and Rev are so fundamental that it would require learning a totally new paradigm and this is not something that many in-house corporate developers would bother. Many of them also would stumble over their misconceptions about dealing with a scripting language as opposed to a compiled language like VB and all the usual debates over code performance will be thrown about. RB, which after all uses the same basic (pun intended) language and development paradigm as VB, is in a much better position to capture those refugees than RR is. This is true for developers who don't mind picking up a new development environment, but many aren't going to want to do that. If they were building a new app, that's a possibility, but the fear would be that the cost of rewrites is prohibitive when coupled with the cost/time of learning RR. Those who have had experienced with similar environments to RR have no problems with this and it probably only needs a few minutes reorientation to get off the ground. Not so for your VB developer. For a professional developer (as opposed to in-house), picking up a new environment that's going to save you a tremendous amount of time is not a problem and is definitely a plus. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Analyzing competitors - In this case Real Software
Back in the 80's and 90's, when I was a strong advocate of OOP in general and Smalltalk in particular, I continually ran into the obstacle I came to think of as the IASFBSIDHTTT syndrome: I Am So Far Behind Schedule I Don't Have Time To Think. Whether dealing with in-house or out-house (never did like that in-house thing!) developers, the problem was the same: even if you could prove absolutely that this new language was more powerful and effective than my current tool set, I don't have time to evaluate it, learn it, and rebuild all my libraries and tools in it. dan I always found that strange because when I was running my own firm, you cannot NOT afford to check out something that's going to revolutionize what you've been doing thus far - even if it means obsoleting everything you've already done. Not having the time to learn or relearn - is a CHOICE. I've always hated writing lots of code, so I spent my energy writing code to eliminate the need to write more of the same code in the future. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Using Rev as a screensaver
Hi, I know there are some isues pertaining to Revolution not being able to generate a Cocoa code bundle that can then be deployed as a screen saver. I'm wondering if someone knows of an existing screensaver module that will Launch a user defined application? That way, I can have my own Revolution based screen saver launched for playback. I'm using this to create an app that will launch a Rev app that will playback a user definable list of QT movies. This list can be configured, edited and in later versions, I intend to have them check periodically with a main server to pull down new updates and new playlists automatically. My idea is so that we can have marketing messages played back on the screensavers of idling computers at a retail store and I can have centrally administered control for all of these. So I figured that all I will need is a simple player that can be launched and it will have a palette window that will put itself on the topmost layer among all the windows. It is possible to do this in RealBasic but from my preliminary analysis, the player is easy in RealBasic but it will take more time to deal with all the other functions including auto-download/cache across the network etc. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How do you guys make sure you get paid?
Get paid/deliver in phases, timeout the last delivered version, perhaps with an unlock code, until final payment is received (and cleared). Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design I'm no longer doing any of this stuff for a living, but this is what we used to do: 1. Go for 50% downpayment or as high a downpayment as possible 2. We usually compute our downpayment quantum to be high enough to cover our COSTS of doing the whole job 3. this ensures that in our worst case, we've already recovered our cost of doing this job even if everything falls apart after that. This is necessary in our case because the standard practice where I live is that even big businesses have a nasty habit of working with smaller firms on the basis of 90 days or even 6 months credit (so sue me). This can create a massive problem with your cashflow if you allow it. So if I ensure that I cover myself in the downpayment or initial payments, then I can stay cool while the client starts to waste valuable time and this also gives me room to move in cases where things get stalled for reasons outside of our control. Once you start sweating about the payments being delayed, if you have a lousy client, they know they control you and you're in trouble. On the other hand, if they know that you can afford to walk away from the project without hurting, they're the ones with the problem and they need to work on 'motivating' you. Contracts may not mean very much, neither do court judgements. We won a summary judgement before and the client was told to pay up and what they did was to ship out every piece of furniture and equipment they had and the owner left town and went to another country. We never recovered the money and 2 years later, he showed up in their local media as an entrepreneurship hero there. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RunRev vs RealBasic
Yes, I could use externals or you could argue that rev is UI/multimedia-centric and not intended for serious scientific computing, but does that have to mean that it could never be? Why not just use Revolution for all the things that it is good for and then pass the rest of the nasty stuff over to another app? On the Mac, you can AppleEvents to send the data (or even via a file) to another app that is faceless and this will work for both OS X and OS 9. If you want cross platform, then implement something using sockets to communicate XML data back and forth. That way, you can have a natively compiled app that can multitask and do all the heavy hitting, without having to compromise on the time taken to develop a good user interface and operating environment. The interesting thing will be if you have faceless BSD command-line type apps, you can fork multiple instances of that process and return the results, while you still have a front end that is free for the user to do other things. I've done that kind of stuff before using Supercard and a C++ app running in the background and I didn't have to tie the front end to waiting for something to be completed before I allowed the user to do something else. I would think that this is a good way to go as Revolution doesn't support multiple threads of execution at this point in time. The whole front end can be event driven in that once the faceless app finishes, it could send an AppleEvent back and this triggers the front end to do some appropriate handling and transformation of the results into something that it can use for display purposes. That being the case, you could in theory have 1 front end app and have the these background apps run on multiple machines on the network and this would be very nice for scientific apps that may need quite a bit of computing. I had a front end control a whole network of kiosk macs using AppleEvents before and everything was done via one single machine using a stack based interface. I even went so far as to Timbuktu remotely via a dialup connection into that administration machine to control the entire network remotely without having to travel 30 miles to get to that location. I would suggest opening your mind up to the possibility of using Rev on the front end and using RealBasic, Objective C or whatever you wish on the backend and have a client-server type configuration. All this can be easily done using Revolution and RealBasic in concert. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Convert Rev app to run inside browser
Get a browser script to call some Rev CGIs and the cgis can also talk to some other rev app that is running in the background that can do all the monitoring, gathering of stats etc and this can all run on the server machine. My feel is that it is probably less secure than if it were to be entirely a desktop app. But then again, some people have very strange notions about what a browser can do. Given that this is an internal application, I would feel safer that this is not available off a commonly available web browser. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Widgets in Tiger Dashboard
Has anyone figured out whether it would be possible for Revolution to be used in creating Dashboard Widgets for Apple's upcoming Tiger operating system release? There's a new paper that's released on how to write widgets and I'm wondering if someone's been thinking about it? Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Widgets in Tiger Dashboard
Jesse Sng wrote: Has anyone figured out whether it would be possible for Revolution to be used in creating Dashboard Widgets for Apple's upcoming Tiger operating system release? If memory serves, I believe those are spec'd as JavaScript only. It is designed to work with also code bundles. The test environment is apparently Safari, where the stuff is invoked via some Javascript. But you can also have html code to specify a bundle to be loaded instead. They are already talking about being able to load Shockwave (basically anything that can be loaded into Safari) as a widget also. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RealBasic 5.5 vs Revolution article
Hi, Just thought you might want to know that there was a brief comparison between Revolution and RealBasic 5.5 in this article: http://www.applelust.com/reviews/archives/realbasic55/ Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Cross platform search database
Hi, I would like to build a cross platform app that would be shipped on a CD-ROM that contains a whole collection of html files. Previously, we had to depend on a Java applet, but that had all sorts of problems with XP and also OS X and works on certain browsers only. I would like to abandon that and use Revolution as the engine if possible. My question is this: What would be the best approach to building this? I did have some preliminary code to recursively decend down a series of folders and then the general idea would be to load up the text into cards and allow text searching on those cards? My understanding from some of the previous discussions is that the entire stack is loaded into memory and that would mean that the more content there is, the more memory would be required for that. Are there any other approaches to this? Can a stack keep most of its data on the hard disk and still be searchable for its text? I don't have a problem with keeping the redundant text inside Revolution stacks. My goal in the long term is to do away with the html files totally (lots of legacy files) and to have everything presented from within Revolution itself. The goal is to allow text searching, which will show up a bunch of hits in a window and a scrolling list and then allow the user to click on one of those choices and then launch back into the browser window to see the actual file. I would appreciate it if there are any pointers or suggestions as to how to best go about doing this. In the old days of Hypercard and Supercard, it would have been a matter of just throwing everything into individual cards on a stack and the stack contents are paged from the hard drive. If everything is preloaded into memory in Revolution, then I might have a problem ultimately as the contents grow before I am able to make a full transition a cd-rom that's entirely done using Revolution. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Threads of Execution
I have suggested it many times... The network commands work somewhat in a threading manner. But without that, you must use send amesg to x in z seconds... Cheers Xavier Ok. I was hoping to be able to have something like: send doThisMsg to this stack in new thread put it into threadID or something along those lines. Either that or even having the ability for a new window to be opened and then exist inside its own thread of execution so that we can message it. That would keep the whole thread metaphor very much in the background while still being able to think in terms of windows, cards etc. That way, I just need to send a message to the window and it runs in a different thread. You can then use custom properties as a locking mechanism. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Threads of Execution
Hi, I'm wondering if there is a way to have a multi-threaded Revolution application? Perhaps there is a way to SEND a message and have that executed while doing something. I'm aware that this would introduce all the other implications - locking mechanisms etc. Has anyone tried doing this or if this is not something that's in Revolution, what kind of workaround did you have to use? Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: PDF large images
Hello everybody, 1 - Is there any way to display a pdf in a revolution stack ? 2 - I want to display a 500*800 pixels image on a 640*480 card. Is there a way to add scollers to this image ? I used the QT movie player to do this (for PDF I mean). But I don't think you have much control over the PDF other than the standard QT controls. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Changing Image FileName Based on QT Time...?
The other way is to generate a SMIL file which can then be played back in the QT player. You can then set the QT Player to open the file which is a SMIL file. This is a text file containing XML code telling the QT player how/where/when other media can be synchronized. That way, you don't have to use any idle scripts but just playback the SMIL file. Check the Apple web site for examples. You probably might want to develop a little editor in Revolution to generate the text file. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Displaying Generating PDF
Is there a way to Display PDF in Revolution? I'm ok if this is only on OS X but I'm looking for a way for this to be done. I would eventually like to be able to manipulate the PDF document and then rearrange the page order, flip things around before saving the final output. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing to multiple printers
In OS X the printer is chosen from the print dialog rather than from the Page Setup dialog. So issue your print command like this: print this card with dialog That will allow the user to choose a printer. There is no way in either OS 9 or OS X to choose a printer without user intervention. The problem with allowing the user to change it is that they are bound to make mistakes, especially when in a hurry. This will lead to lots of forms and paper being printed wrong and then the need to rectify it plus reprint again, leading to further delays. I know there is a way to do this in 4th Dimension but I'm hoping to avoid having to do my development in 4D instead of Revolution. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
URL and email regex
Hi, Does anyone have a handy regex for detecting and selecting a chunk of text that is a to be made into a URL or an email address? I want to create a quick utility to automatically mark up my text with some html tags that will form the URLs and email addresses into links without having to go through every single one of them. Even in a visual html web page editor, it can take quite a bit of time. What I want to do is to search for those URLs and then embed tags in them. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Can't read text from file on OS 9
Hi, Good idea. I just tried it, and under OS X there is a process called Classic Support. I suspect this doesn't run in OS 9, so maybe checking for that would tell you if you are in OS X. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com Actually to think outside of the box, ALL you need to do is to detect ANY essential lower level process that can be found ONLY in OS X but will not be found in OS 9. Examples are the Window Server or /System/Library/Core/pbs (pasteboard). If you really need to check for classic then you will have to look for the string TruBlueEnvironment when the list of processes is returned to you. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Styled text pasting
I'm trying to paste styled text that could be copied from a word processor or some other app over into a stack. How do I do that? I'm familiar with the htmlText trick, but assuming that I can only get access to the styled text from eg. AppleWorks - is there a way to directly paste the text into an editing field? I am using it to generate html code in the final output, but my source is going to be styled text from other apps and I do not have the luxury of being able to first have it converted to html before being pasted into the editing field. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Playing back remote mp3 files
Recently, Jesse Sng wrote: I'm trying to build a standalone browser that will allow the user to select from a list of mp3 files and then either stream or download them to his hard drive for local playback. What I'm trying to figure out now is what do I have to do to get the QT player to reference a file that's located on a web server? Which property do I set to specify that? The fileName property. This can be set to a file path or a URL. Thanks to all who replied to my question. I did eventually find that you could use a URL in the filename property. I had to do a little digging and eventually discovered that I could try that. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Styled text pasting
Silly question, but have you tried paste? I just checked a standalone I am working on and the styled text from MS Word was pasted as styled text into a field in the standalone juisng the pste command. I'm using RR 2.5 and Windows XP. Not silly actually because I tried pasting from Safari and it does not work and I only get plain text. However I did take you up on that and did a paste from Appleworks and it works. The thing now is that if I do a Paste from Safari into Eudora, I get styled text. So does that mean that my app needs to be able to register itself as being capable of interpreting styled text that comes from the clipboard? So obviously Safari is capable of exporting styled text to the clipboard but for some reason Revolution can't accept it. Why would it work in some cases but not in others? I'm not sure that this is something to be put up as a bug report yet. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Styled text pasting
One thing you could do to check is to copy the text to the clipboard, switch to Revolution, and then put this in the messagebox: put the clipboardData[html] And see if it gives you any html style tags back. If so, you can set the htmlText of the destination field to the clipboardData[html]. Thanks Ken, That seems to be the case with Safari. It's returning html tags instead of styled text. Jesse ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Playing back remote mp3 files
Hi, I'm just starting to explore Revolution and have used Hypercard and Supercard extensively for stack and externals development since 1988 through the 90s. I'm trying to build a standalone browser that will allow the user to select from a list of mp3 files and then either stream or download them to his hard drive for local playback. What I'm trying to figure out now is what do I have to do to get the QT player to reference a file that's located on a web server? Which property do I set to specify that? Seems like it is specified during the open command but my understanding is that it requires a file and not a URL. Also if I were to download this in the background as a user option, do I need to use the libURL functions to bring this down and store it myself or can I use the load command to cache this instead? I apologise if the questions are too simple, but as a former developer on a similar environment, I'm trying to orientate myself as to what Revolution can or cannot do for me. The reason I'm doing this that I want to have a library of mp3 files that are available online but are not accessible via the web browser but through our own custom navigation and standalone app. The idea is to both simplify the task of navigation and also the task of updating that information as I'll probably be working on a tool that will allow someone to easily post that information up. Jesse Sng ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
GLX2 on Rev 3.0
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Re: GLX2 on Rev 3.0
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