RE: Opening Files in OS X
Thanks again Monte, I've done the reading, and I have a follow-up question, if you don't mind (or if anyone else has advice on this). My understanding is that Mac OSes use fileType to determine if a file belongs to an application. Furthermore, it seems that the OS prevents my app from opening files that don't belong to it (judging from the docs and the way my app is currently behaving). So what I need to do is set the fileType when my app saves a file, and then the app will be able to reopen that file later. Is that right? If so, what happens if a Windows user of my app creates a file and tries to share it with a Mac user of my app? The docs suggest that Windows ignores fileType, so will the Mac user be prevented from opening files created by Windows users? These files are just text files that have a *.upf extension in Windows. Thanks! Jim At 08:48 AM 6/20/2003 +0930, you wrote: Read the docs on ask file. You need to use type codes on MacOS rather than extension filters. Hopefully we will get extension filters for OS X soon. You will also need to read up on stackFileType and/or fileType to handle your custom file type on MacOS OS X. --- http://www.biancolo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Opening Files in OS X
Hi folks, I have a RR app that saves a text file (with a *.upf extension) like so: ask file Save play as: with filter Ultimate Play File (*.upf),*.upf if it is empty then exit mouseUp -- do some stuff to txt variable put txt into url (file: it) ... and it loads files like so: answer file Open Play: with filter Ultimate Play File (*.upf),*.upf,All Files (*.*),*.* if it is empty then exit mouseUp put url (file: it) into txt This works great on Windows, but my OS X testers (sadly I just have the Windows machine) report that they can't open files. To quote one user: The file picker dialog still appears, and I can see the file I save, but I can't click it (it is dim, and apparently unavailable to the program. Can anyone tell me if there's something Mac-specific I need to do in my app? Thanks! Jim --- http://www.biancolo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Opening Files in OS X
Hi Ken, I'm running RR 2.0. I think Monte's right in that I have some more reading to do. I should have known saving/opening files wouldn't be *completely* platform-independent. Thanks for the tip though, on this being a possible version issue And thanks, Monte, for the link to your enhanced distribution builder! Take care, Jim At 05:53 PM 6/19/2003 -0500, Ken Ray wrote: Jim, What version of Rev is it? The reason I ask is that an earlier version of the MC engine required that you save *twice* in order for files to get the right creator codes to be seen in the file picker... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Biancolo Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 3:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Opening Files in OS X Hi folks, I have a RR app that saves a text file (with a *.upf extension) like so: ask file Save play as: with filter Ultimate Play File (*.upf),*.upf if it is empty then exit mouseUp -- do some stuff to txt variable put txt into url (file: it) ... and it loads files like so: answer file Open Play: with filter Ultimate Play File (*.upf),*.upf,All Files (*.*),*.* if it is empty then exit mouseUp put url (file: it) into txt This works great on Windows, but my OS X testers (sadly I just have the Windows machine) report that they can't open files. To quote one user: The file picker dialog still appears, and I can see the file I save, but I can't click it (it is dim, and apparently unavailable to the program. Can anyone tell me if there's something Mac-specific I need to do in my app? Thanks! Jim --- http://www.biancolo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use- revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution --- http://www.biancolo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: So now we've got 2.0.1 out
I haven't used it extensively yet, but so far 2.0 hasn't given me any problems under Windows except for when it initially tried to find a CD that wasn't there (and that went away on reboot). My lack of problems combined with not wanted to grab a new full install over my 56K dialup have kept me from upgrading. If I'm a typical Windows developer, that might explain it the lack of response. Or shyness. That's also a viable theory. :-) Jim At 03:21 PM 6/10/2003 +0100, Heather Williams wrote: Would anyone care to go and express an opinion on it on Version tracker and or Download.com? The Windows update, in particular is feeling rather neglected. Plenty of people seem to have opinions on the OSX version, but are Windows folk really so shy? --- http://www.biancolo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.0 ERROR on Windows XP
I had this happen to me in Win2K. I had just gotten through burning a CD, but had removed it. I think that's what Rev was trying to find, because after I rebooted it went away. Not sure if rebooting will work for you; I might just be lucky. Jim At 01:41 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have installed Rev 2.0 on Win2k and MacOSX with good results. However, My Windows XP installation is not usable because the following error repeatedly pops up as a prompt window. Insert disk into drive \Device\Harddisk1\DR3. Has anyone else seen this on Windows XP or know of a solution? Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Revolution 2.0 released
At 06:16 PM 5/28/2003 +0100, Kevin Miller wrote: We are very happy to be able to tell you that Revolution 2.0 has been released. You can download the final version from our website at: Congratulations! I've been using 2.0 on Windows, and it's a much nicer interface over 1.1.1. I've had no problems with the installation, legacy stacks, or building distributions. Granted my work isn't particularly sophisticated, but it's still been a very nice transition so far. :-) Thanks for all the great new features! You've obviously put a lot of work into this, and it shows. Take care, Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Shao Sean's POP3 Library
Hi folks, I've been hunting around for Shao Sean's POP3 library mentioned previously on this list to no avail. I did find his home page with his SMTP library and a note not to e-mail him directly, so I thought I'd try this list. Does anybody have an old copy they can share with me (assuming such sharing doesn't go against Shao's wishes)? Thanks! Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How real is the embedded web-page technique?
At 07:19 PM 10/10/2002 -0700, Richard Gaskin wrote: What are the advantages of putting a browser inside on your app's window? What sort of apps are you folks making? Hi Richard, Specifically, I was thinking about building a news aggregator in RR, and a true browser control would be very helpful for that. Generally, I tend to find the browser as helper app approach kinda jarring. I either like my apps to reside entirely within the browser or entirely within the desktop app. Kinda like HTML in e-mail (whose merits are dubious, I'll admit) - I'd find it very annoying to have my e-mail client fire up a separate browser window every time somebody sent me an HTML-formatted message. That's just my personal preference though. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: How real is the embedded web-page technique?
At 07:38 PM 10/11/2002 +0100, you wrote: I agree that an embedded rendering engine would be a killer feature. Embedded or higly integrated ? --snip-- There's no reason why you can't currently use rev as your control panel and a browser as your display mechanism with the users monitor as the pane. I was going to ask for a better definition of the difference between embedded and highly integrated but I think based on your example I'd have to say embedded. I refer again to my e-mail client example: the model currently used in several clients is a mailbox pane, a subjects pane, and a message viewer pane. If I wanted to create such an application in RR that supported HTML mail, I don't think I could without an embeddable HTML rendering engine. Clicking on a message in the subjects pane and having it fire up an external browser would be too kludgey, IMO. But maybe this is a Windows bias . . . I'm a bit more used to having my apps self-contained. Those few times I've had the opportunity to work on Macs I've found it disconcerting to have the menu floating off detached from the working area of its application. Windows-conditioning aside, I stand by my wish: I'd love to see a cross-platform control in RR that can render any well-formed HTML thrown at it. Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: How real is the embedded web-page technique?
At 09:36 PM 10/11/2002 +0100, Gary Rathbone wrote: But maybe this is a Windows bias . . . I'm a bit more used to having my apps self-contained. Those few times I've had the opportunity to work on Macs I've found it disconcerting to have the menu floating off detached from the working area of its application. So that fact that the functional units are contained within a single window/frame/pane gives the comforting perception/illusion of an integration application ? I fear we're starting to stray off-topic for the list, but yeah, I find it to be a helpful visual cue. Again, might be years of conditioning talking, but I'm trying to imagine running several applications at once where the functional units are divided into discrete panes and my mind recoils. I mean, just trying to visually distinguish which panes belong to which apps when there are other panes/apps in the background would be icky. If I'm running three apps and toggling between them I'd much rather deal with three total panes than six (two each) or nine (three each). Then again, the last Mac user I visited had this monster plasma screen, so maybe it's just a question of expensive hardware screen real estate vs. cheap hardware screen real estate. I'm sure I wouldn't mind the multi-pane apps so much if I could put them in a dedicated portion of such a vast expanse of pixels. Windows-conditioning aside, I stand by my wish: I'd love to see a cross-platform control in RR that can render any well-formed HTML thrown at it. Must admit, it would be nice ;-) :-) A guy can dream, right? Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: How real is the embedded web-page technique?
At 11:07 PM 10/11/2002 +0100, Gary Rathbone wrote: Thanks Jim, as you suggested we're straying off-topic, so I'll leave you to have the last word (if you wish...) Thanks for the interesting thread Gary (and other participants). Having too much fun to quit now, so you can have the last word if you wish. :-) Getting back on-topic . . . Fair point. But when many people on this list ask for features to be included in Rev there is often another way of doing the same task. We don't request spreadsheet capability in word, cos we've got excel, and the two are compatible. It often seems to me that cos a user can't do something then they request a feature, all I'm trying to do is suggest 'reasonable alternatives'(look sidewards). I see my computer as a working unit, not each individual application. So really the question is whether or not an HTML renderer should be considered a fundamental component or whether it's specialized enough to be left as a separate tool, yes? I'd vote for the former. My rationale: * For better or worse, HTML seems to be the lingua franca of the web, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon. Rather than give browsers a monopoly on HTML rendering, I'd like to see pretty much every application/development environment be able to render it. Indeed, I think the ability to render HTML is more noteworthy by it's absence rather than it's presence. Consider all the tools that can process it: most word processors, pretty much every Microsoft product, many e-mail clients, off-line news readers, heck there are even java applets, activeX objects and flash components that allow you to do WYSIWYG editing of HTML as a FORM INPUT so it can be passed for storage in some backend DB. * Not that everybody should rush to jump off the same bridge, but I think it is in recognition of this trend that Microsoft makes IE embeddable in Windows apps (and it's trivially easy to do so), and Mozilla makes Gecko embeddable pretty much anywhere (although I personally don't have the skills to take advantage of this). * The existence of the htmlText property is a nod in the direction of a full-fledged renderer. Why not go all the way? * Another point in this regard: from the RR What Can I Build page, item #1: Internet front ends - Create your own custom browser for your own content, offering capabilities and responsiveness you can't match with cobbled-together DHTML pages. Internet-ready Revolution makes this quick and simple, with the ability to display data from any URL (including text, HTML, pictures, video and sound) right in your application windows, perform POST and GET operations with a single command, and use sockets for direct communication with an Internet host. Only one major component missing! :-) Take care, Jim (who probably won't be back online until Tuesday, so you really can have the last word :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How real is the embedded web-page technique?
I agree that an embedded rendering engine would be a killer feature. I have no experience with such integration work, but Gecko (Mozilla's rendering engine) might be a good choice for this: http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/ There's a Gecko Embedding Overview here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/embedding/embedoverview/EmbeddingBasics.html I *think* the licensing might allow for some forms of commercial distribution as well, but don't take my word for it; I only have a vague recollection or reading some legalese that I really didn't understand. :-) Jim At 09:21 PM 10/10/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd pay another $300 for just that feature alone - - - would OmiWeb or iCab or Opera be able to work cross-platform, so I could create a Revolution app with an embedded browser - - - authoring it once, and building it for both Mac and Windows? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: XML
Hi Ken, If possible (not sure how secrecy-sworn folks that have access to 1.5 are) can you tell me how your parser for 1.5 differs from the native XML support I've heard will be in 1.5? Or are they one and the same? Thanks, Jim At 10:29 AM 10/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: Thanks for the plug, but unfortunately my XML parser is based on the Perl Compatible Regular Expression engine, which is not in Rev 1.1.1 (it *will* however be in the next version of Rev that is released). Sorry, Alex... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ - Original Message - From: Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:31 AM Subject: RE: XML Alex, Check out Ken Ray's most excellent XML parser at: http://www.sonsothunder.com I think you'll really like it!!! -Chipp However, is there no XML parser available for RunRev 1.1.1? Even an External that wraps Expat or something? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Q. how to drag-n-drop?
Thanks Ken! I love this language more and more every day. And that solves the lag quibble I mentioned. Perfect. At 09:44 PM 10/3/2002 -0500, Ken Ray wrote: Jim, Even easier: on mouseDown grab the target end mouseDown Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Q. how to drag-n-drop?
Hi Alex, I'm still new to RunRev, so I'm not sure if this is the best way to do it, but this is what I did to allow drag-and-drop of images: on mouseDown repeat while the mouse is down move the target to the mouseLoc end repeat end mouseDown The thing I thought was nifty was that this code goes in the handler for the group that contains the images, so all the images in the group are draggable without needing their own mouseDown handlers. One quibble with this approach would be that if you move the mouse fast the object you're dragging tends to lag behind so you have to wait for it to catch up as you hover over your intended destination. Jim At 06:09 PM 10/3/2002 -0600, you wrote: So far I haven't seen any examples of handling drag-n-drop in the tutorials or user contributions section. Is it hard to do in Rev? For instance drag-n-drop to reorder the contents of a ListField. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Windows Build Problem
Hi folks, I successfully built my first prototype for Windows and the Mac and both run! Very exciting! :-) I am having a problem on my only Windows XP installation though. The app throws this error then fails to start: Windows cannot open this program because it has been prevented by a software restriction policy Seems fine on Win2K and 98. Has anyone run into this before on XP (or otherwise)? Thanks! Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows Build Problem
Sorry for the overly hasty e-mail. Upon further (and obvious) reflection it seems like this is probably not a RunRev issue, but rather an XP security issue. I'll try to run it to ground in the Windows NGs. Thanks! Jim At 01:25 PM 10/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: Hi folks, I successfully built my first prototype for Windows and the Mac and both run! Very exciting! :-) I am having a problem on my only Windows XP installation though. The app throws this error then fails to start: Windows cannot open this program because it has been prevented by a software restriction policy Seems fine on Win2K and 98. Has anyone run into this before on XP (or otherwise)? Thanks! Jim ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looping Over Groups?
Thanks Ken, that's perfect. It's not quite the behavior I'd expect being used to other languages (I thought by referencing my group in the repeat structure it would implicitly reference elements in that group during iteration), but I think I'm finally getting into the spirit of this language. :-) At 10:59 PM 9/23/2002 -0500, Ken Ray wrote: Jim, Try this for your second line: answer the name of image i in group players_group The problem is that the number of the images change when you add an image to the card. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ - Original Message - From: Jim Biancolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Looping Over Groups? Hi folks, I've run into an additional problem here, and I hope you can help . . . I've created a group of 14 images. As advised, I loop over them like so: repeat with i = 1 to the number of images in group players_group answer the name of image i end repeat Works great. When I click on the Object -- Edit Group menu, all 14 show up as expected. However, when I add another image to the card (but not to the group) and run the same code, the new image is included in the loop (even though it's NOT in the group), and the last image in the group is not (even though it should be). When I click on the Object -- Edit Group command my original 14 images are there and the new image is not, which is what I'd expect. It's the looping behavior that is not what I'd expect. It seems (just guessing though) to be pulling the image at positions 1 through 14 regardless of whether or not they are in the group. Am I doing something wrong, or is there another approach I should be taking? Thanks! Jim At 03:42 PM 9/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: At 3:09 PM -0700 9/18/2002, Jim Biancolo wrote: Is there a way to loop over the images in a group? I tried these: repeat for each image I in group my_group repeat for each item I in group my_group repeat for each object O in group players_group All failed to compile. Then I hit on: repeat for each element E in group players_group It compiled, but then when I tried to run it I got this error: Error description: Chunk: source is not a container I fear I'm missing something obvious. Any advice? I think people have been so enthusiastic about advising the efficient repeat for each form that the other forms have gotten a little eclipsed. ;-) The repeat for each form can be used to iterate over chunks in a string - characters, words, lines, items - or over each element in an array, but it can't be used to iterate over objects. The first and third variations you tried wouldn't compile because repeat for each image and repeat for each object aren't valid forms of the repeat loop. The second one, repeat for each item, is valid... but in this context, an item is a part of a string, not an object, so this doesn't work either. And the fourth, while a valid form, requires an array, not a group reference. Here's a form that will work: repeat with x = 1 to the number of images in group my_group answer the name of image x -- or whatever end repeat -- Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development http://www.runrev.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looping Over Groups?
Hi folks, I've run into an additional problem here, and I hope you can help . . . I've created a group of 14 images. As advised, I loop over them like so: repeat with i = 1 to the number of images in group players_group answer the name of image i end repeat Works great. When I click on the Object -- Edit Group menu, all 14 show up as expected. However, when I add another image to the card (but not to the group) and run the same code, the new image is included in the loop (even though it's NOT in the group), and the last image in the group is not (even though it should be). When I click on the Object -- Edit Group command my original 14 images are there and the new image is not, which is what I'd expect. It's the looping behavior that is not what I'd expect. It seems (just guessing though) to be pulling the image at positions 1 through 14 regardless of whether or not they are in the group. Am I doing something wrong, or is there another approach I should be taking? Thanks! Jim At 03:42 PM 9/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: At 3:09 PM -0700 9/18/2002, Jim Biancolo wrote: Is there a way to loop over the images in a group? I tried these: repeat for each image I in group my_group repeat for each item I in group my_group repeat for each object O in group players_group All failed to compile. Then I hit on: repeat for each element E in group players_group It compiled, but then when I tried to run it I got this error: Error description: Chunk: source is not a container I fear I'm missing something obvious. Any advice? I think people have been so enthusiastic about advising the efficient repeat for each form that the other forms have gotten a little eclipsed. ;-) The repeat for each form can be used to iterate over chunks in a string - characters, words, lines, items - or over each element in an array, but it can't be used to iterate over objects. The first and third variations you tried wouldn't compile because repeat for each image and repeat for each object aren't valid forms of the repeat loop. The second one, repeat for each item, is valid... but in this context, an item is a part of a string, not an object, so this doesn't work either. And the fourth, while a valid form, requires an array, not a group reference. Here's a form that will work: repeat with x = 1 to the number of images in group my_group answer the name of image x -- or whatever end repeat -- Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development http://www.runrev.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Performance Issues With Move Command
Hi folks, Thanks for the helpful responses to my Looping Over Groups thread. I have one more question and then I think I'm all set for awhile . . . I'm having a very hard time getting the move command to perform adequately. Is this common? Specifically, here's what I've tried: I have a simple red circle image (an Import as Control jpg). This moves easily and well: move image o01 to 200,200 in 2 seconds Creating three such images and moving them all sequentially also works well: move image o01 to 200,200 in 2 seconds move image o02 to 200,200 in 2 seconds move image o03 to 200,200 in 2 seconds But when I try to move them simultaneously things kinda fall apart: set the lockMoves to true move image o01 to 200,200 in 2 seconds move image o02 to 200,200 in 2 seconds move image o03 to 200,200 in 2 seconds set the lockMoves to false It takes a few seconds for anything to happen at all. Then the first image flickers from its current position to 200,200 without traversing the space in-between (no animation). Then the second, and then the third do the same thing. The don't move, they skip. And they don't do so simultanously as I'd expect. Any advice on how to get simultaneous motion to perform? I'm running on a PIII 500Mhz. BTW, Quicktime or the Animation Manager probably won't work for me (although I'm not positive) as I ultimately want to let the user click-and-drag these images to various points to create their own animation paths. Thanks! Jim P.S. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
