Re: Milgram and the Unabomber [OT]

[Marian Petrides]

In case anyone misinterpreted my earlier reply let me offer the following 
clarification:  By that I mean we all are so, ahem, "unique" that our story 
would not be believable, NOT that no one would believe David.

On Oct 22, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Yeah, but no one would believe him, even if he wrote a book.
> 
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:57 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 10/22/10 6:48 AM, David Glasgow wrote:
>>> As a forensic psychologist...
>> 
>> Uh oh. After reading this list for so long, you've probably got enough 
>> material for a book by now.
>> 
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Re: Milgram and the Unabomber [OT]

[Marian Petrides]

Yeah, but no one would believe him, even if he wrote a book.

On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:57 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 10/22/10 6:48 AM, David Glasgow wrote:
>> As a forensic psychologist...
> 
> Uh oh. After reading this list for so long, you've probably got enough 
> material for a book by now.
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Re: The Scripter's Scrapbook (was: Online Snippets library)

[Marian Petrides]

Which is one of the many reasons I prefer to run the standalone alongside of 
LiveCode instead of from within it.

On Sep 23, 2010, at 12:56 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> Will all due respect, Hugh, I've always cringed with the upgrade process
> with SS. It was never clear what to do with the mess in the folder that was
> left, and what was what.
> 
> On 23 September 2010 10:19, FlexibleLearning 
> wrote:
> 
>> A hanging app has been reported when using an old version of the standAlone
>> with ssBk. Go to www.flexibleLearning.com/ssbk, click FREE DOWNLOADS and
>> download a replacement standalone application in the "Extras: Application
>> Programs" section of the page.
>> 
>> After an update, the 'new folder' is always generated in the same folder as
>> the folder you started in. You simply archive your old set-up and move the
>> new files back into the original folder. This is a fail-safe so you can
>> always revert.
>> 
>> Hugh Senior
>> FLCo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> JosepM wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Hugh,
>> 
>> I tryed to update to the last version, but the app is hang up, and still
>> "Startup..."
>> 
>> Exactly what I must do after update and see the NEW Scripter's Scrapbook"?
>> I
>> have version 5.2.16, inside the 5.2.17 and now inside of this the 5.2.19...
>> :(
>> Only I can use the 5.2.16...
>> 
>> Salut,
>> Josep M
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Re: OT: Ft Gay, GA

[Marian Petrides]

Actually, it was on MSNBC.  And the town is in WV not GA as I had incorrectly 
remembered.  Here's the link.

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/08/5071101-xbox-live-gamer-suspended-for-saying-he-lives-in-fort-gay


On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> Bob
> I don't have it at the moment,  but it was in some gaming throw-away or maybe 
> on a gaming website that I read in the last 24 hours.  If I find it, I'll 
> send it on to you.
> 
> M
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> Honestly that sounds like an Urban Legend! Do you have the link to the 
>> article? I want to look into that. 
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:
>> 
>>> Jackie
>>> It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article about how 
>>> Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily throwing a gamer 
>>> off because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay, Georgia and that using the 
>>> word somehow violated the TOS.  Say what?
>>> 
>>> So, don't feel bad (not that you do). There are neanderthals everywhere.  
>>> They live, they breed, they make me scared for the future of this nation 
>>> and the world.
>>> 
>>> Marian
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OT: Ft Gay, GA

[Marian Petrides]

Bob
I don't have it at the moment,  but it was in some gaming throw-away or maybe 
on a gaming website that I read in the last 24 hours.  If I find it, I'll send 
it on to you.

M
On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Honestly that sounds like an Urban Legend! Do you have the link to the 
> article? I want to look into that. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:
> 
>> Jackie
>> It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article about how 
>> Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily throwing a gamer 
>> off because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay, Georgia and that using the 
>> word somehow violated the TOS.  Say what?
>> 
>> So, don't feel bad (not that you do). There are neanderthals everywhere.  
>> They live, they breed, they make me scared for the future of this nation and 
>> the world.
>> 
>> Marian
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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Marian Petrides]

Jackie
It's more than jokes these days. :-(  I just read an article about how 
Microsoft's X-Box gaming network (?X-box Live) summarily throwing a gamer off 
because the name of his hometown is Ft. Gay, Georgia and that using the word 
somehow violated the TOS.  Say what?

So, don't feel bad (not that you do). There are neanderthals everywhere.  They 
live, they breed, they make me scared for the future of this nation and the 
world.

Marian

On Sep 9, 2010, at 12:28 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 9/9/10 9:15 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:
>> 
>> On 9 Sep 2010, at 15:11, Richmond wrote:
>> 
>>> Kevin's face must be looking a bit craggier,
>> 
>> I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
> 
> ROTFL! I thought I was the only one who could make jokes about my last name. 
> :)
> 
> It's a good day for humor, I'm ecstatic.
> 
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Re: how to totally make Kevin's day

[Marian Petrides]

Kevin

This is fantastic news!!  I only wish Apple had been more forthcoming earlier, 
so y'all wouldn't have had to waste all the time and money you did regrouping.  
I can't wait to get my grubby little mitts on RevMobile!!

What is going to happen with the conference that was once scheduled? (At this 
point, I can't even remember if it was cancelled or merely postponed).

Marian



On Sep 9, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 09/09/2010 15:54, "Andrew Kluthe"  wrote:
> 
>> Does this mean RevMobile is back on for iOS?
> 
> You bet!
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
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Re: Rodeo, revServer etc.

[Marian Petrides]

Well, I for one would hate to see you banned from the list, Sarah.  I've always 
found your posts to be extremely helpful, even if they ARE often way, way over 
my head.

Hoping to see you continue on here...

Marian 
Sent from my iPad

On Aug 4, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Sarah Reichelt  wrote:

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Re: Rodeo, revServer etc.

[Marian Petrides]

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 4, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Sarah Reichelt  wrote:

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Re: News on revMobile

[Marian Petrides]

Geez, thanks Steve. Just what we Apple loyalists needed-NOT.

Do I sound just a wee bit annoyed. You bet I am.  But my annoyance is at Apple, 
not Run Rev.  RunRev did their level best, but what could we really expect when 
logic plays second fiddle to the whims of Sir Steve of Jobs? 

On May 10, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> Here is the information you have been waiting for about revMobile for the
> iPhone/iPad. Thank you all for your patience, this has been the soonest we
> have been able to bring you this news.
> 
> http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
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Re: [OT] GameOver Mr. Jobs

[Marian Petrides]

Only the part of the world that actually INTERESTS him. ;-)

On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:56 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

>> I'm just glad Steve Jobs is not trying to take over the world. (Is he?)

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Re: Interesting discussion on iPad content

[Marian Petrides]

FWIW, this amateur (OK, near amateur) finally bit the bullet on RevMobile when 
I got a special offer that dropped the price to something like $550 because I 
REALLY want to be able to develop for the iPad.  

OTOH, my subscription to Rev Enterprise is paid up until 2016 or so and I 
bought into On-Rev Founder, so I'm hardly a tight wad when it comes to buying 
Rev products.  That said, even I agree that the current _list_ price for 
RevMobile is prohibitive for anyone who does not already have a product ready 
to be deployed on the iPad.

Not sure what the answer is, just making an observation



On Mar 30, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Rodney Somerstein wrote:

> But trying to convince anyone that Rev-mobile is for the amateurs with the 
> current pricing model is pretty much a nonstarter, I suspect. 

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Re: RevMobile first impressions?

[Marian Petrides]

I'd love to hear your more detailed impressions, Sarah, and I bet others would 
too.  Meanwhile, thanks for the early preview!

On Mar 4, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> 2010/3/5 François Chaplais :
>> I received by mail the availability on the pre alpha revmobile release. I 
>> still have a week to use a coupon that entitles me 5 years for the price of 
>> one (reason is I have done the same for studio). Still, this is 700€, which 
>> is a lot considering I probably will never make any money of it.
>> 
>> So, has someone jumped in the wagon and can share his/her impressions?
>> 
>> This would be very appreciated.
>> 
>> I went though the buying process and cancelled at the last moment when I saw 
>> the price...
>> 
>> On the other hand, I love the idea of programming for the iPhone/iPad.
> 
> Just started it up and tested my first stack, so these are really very
> superficial first impressions. I don't see any problem telling you
> about since there is already so much detail on the runrev site - I
> just can't give you my downloaded copy or login details.
> 
> You install a plugin to Rev. Open your stack file and tell the plugin
> to use this stack. You can give it various other parameters like a
> bundle name, icon etc, as well as setting it up with a profile for
> distribution (although I don't know if this bit works yet). Then just
> click the "Start" button on the plugin and the iPhone simulator pops
> up and your stack is running.
> 
> I just dragged some basic interface elements in to see how they looked.
> First impression - the display is very like MetaCard used to be: grey
> & blocky. However RunRev has said that the native iPhone look will be
> coming later, so that isn't something to worry about.
> It feels very fast - certainly faster to get started in the iPhone
> Simulator than my XCode projects, and then the response feels snappy.
> The basic interface elements just work: clicking in an unlocked field
> pops up the keyboard, clicking away makes it disappear. Radio buttons,
> check boxes, sliders all work.
> Dialogs: answer works fine and produces a native alert box, ask does nothing.
> You cannot test on the iPad simulator yet.
> 
> I'm really excited about this. Now a single language and IDE allows us
> to deliver on the desktop, web, server and mobile. It's going to be
> fantastic.
> 
> Should you spend the money? That's a tricky one. I spent a
> considerable time last year learning XCode so I could program on the
> iPhone, and I believe that anyone who can program in Rev can learn to
> program in XCode - it all just takes longer. While XCode itself is
> free, you will need to buy books and invest a lot of time learning.
> And you do need an iPhone developer license to get any apps on to an
> iPhone. So it comes down to the value of your time and whether you
> think you can get the return on investment.
> 
> I will be exploring revMobile further during the day, and if people
> are interested, I am happy to post my more detailed impressions later.
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: RevMobile first impressions?

[Marian Petrides]

That's interesting Francois, since the offer I received (same details, 
different expiration) expired a week or so ago.  Too bad I didn't take 
advantage of it.  The video of Ben designing his Sheep Herder app certainly was 
impressive!

On Mar 4, 2010, at 3:02 PM, François Chaplais wrote:

> I received by mail the availability on the pre alpha revmobile release. I 
> still have a week to use a coupon that entitles me 5 years for the price of 
> one (reason is I have done the same for studio). Still, this is 700€, which 
> is a lot considering I probably will never make any money of it.
> 
> So, has someone jumped in the wagon and can share his/her impressions?
> 
> This would be very appreciated.
> 
> I went though the buying process and cancelled at the last moment when I saw 
> the price...
> 
> On the other hand, I love the idea of programming for the iPhone/iPad.
> 
> TIA
> 
> François
> 
> 
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Re: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save

[Marian Petrides]

Excuse me? How can RR be perceived as behaving responsibly, when we get 
non-responses from queries about shipping status, when it takes more than 6 
months for the DVDs to arrive and when there are such disparities (MORE THAN A 
MONTH) in shipping.  Even if you sub-contract out a part of production of an 
item, you are still responsible for the behavior of the people you hired and it 
is YOU who are answerable to the customer.

People on this list have been MORE THAN PATIENT waiting, waiting, waiting, 
patiently, quietly. There comes a time when you have to exercise the only 
recourse available to you--public protest.  RunRev should not be surprised at 
the level of annoyance expressed here. The only thing that they should be 
surprised about is that people waited this long before "pitching a hissy fit," 
as they say in the American South. 

We've cut RunRev a LOT of slack on this issue (this time AND last time--with 
the '08 Conference DVDs).  It's time they made good on their promises--instead 
of making even more empty promises.



On Feb 25, 2010, at 2:16 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> RR behaved responsibly regarding the DVDs, and this particular snafu was not 
> their fault. If you want the reason, wait for the email.

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Re: Conference-DVDs arrived

[Marian Petrides]

Nothing from Kevin here either.  

I DID get a response from Heather, but that only contained instructions to 
contact her yet again (fourth time) if they don't arrive by tomorrow.  NO 
indication of what RunRev will do if they don't arrive.  Not acceptable, no way.

On Feb 25, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 25/02/2010 18:17, "Marian Petrides"  wrote:
> 
>> Apologies are nice, but getting the DVDs is much better.
> 
> There are genuine, exceptional reasons for this delay which relate directly
> to the tragic events that occurred earlier this year. Unfortunately I'm not
> willing to go into the details. Nonetheless we are very sorry for this delay
> and I have written to the very small number of you that still do not have
> DVDs to address this further.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
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Re: RunRevLive.10: 72 hours left to save

[Marian Petrides]

Exactly my point, Richmond. That's why I passed up on the deal.  And I didn't 
even get the chance to avail myself of the simulcast (or to attend the 
conference itself) because of time constraints. The ONLY benefit I will get out 
of what I paid will be when (if?) I get the DVDs.

Not a happy camper.  And I wrote to support 3 weeks ago (X2 before I got any 
response) and then yesterday (was told the shipper CLAIMS to have shipped mine 
no later than 10 days ago--yeah, sure).  

As I said in my earlier post, at this point, RunRev should find out who has NOT 
yet received a copy and immediately express them a set OR refund their money.


On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Save what?
> 
> As I am still waiting for an awful lot of what I paid for last year I don't 
> feel like
> paying more money for stuff that will either never materialise or will, but 
> when it
> does it is so out of date it is not worth having . . .
> 
> "Free Bonuses"
> 
> Once bitten, shy ever afterwards.

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Re: Conference-DVDs arrived

[Marian Petrides]

Apologies are nice, but getting the DVDs is much better.  What does RunRev plan 
to do for those of us that have NOT yet gotten our DVDs?  For me, the only 
options I would consider acceptable at this late date would be either direct 
shipment by express carrier or refund of my money.  

I realize the problem is with the company you chose to fulfill orders.  But YOU 
(RunRev) chose that company and are, thus, responsible for its actions. There 
is NO reason on this earth that it should take 5 or 6 weeks to finish shipping 
this relatively small number of DVDs.  Yet, people have posted that they 
received their DVDs 5 to 6 weeks ago (in the US), yet some of us are still 
sucking air (also in the US).  I certainly hope you will not be using the same 
company again.

And, for the record, problems with fulfillment on the last 2 sets of conference 
DVDs has lost RunRev at least one sale (mine) of a subsequent product a 
significant part of which was conference DVDs from the upcoming 2010 
conference.  

M


On Feb 25, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 25/02/2010 14:51, "Marc Siskin"  wrote:
> 
>> When did you order your DVDs?  Were you an early adopter (back in June) or 
>> did
>> you order them later?
> 
> Most of you have your DVDs at this point. I do sincerely apologize to those
> the small numbers that still don't. We will be writing to you today with an
> explanation and update.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
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Re: Best Release Practices and the word "fortnight"

[Marian Petrides]

No, 'rubbers' are something you put ON to avoid GETTING in a jam. :-)   OK.  
I'll stop now with the sophomoric humor. Sorry.


On Feb 18, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> What is, arguably the funniest thing of all is that the literal translation 
> of the
> Bulgarian word for what North Americans call 'rubbers' is 'preservative' . . .
> 
> and I always thought that was something you put in jam!

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Re: DVD set (somewhat OT )

[Marian Petrides]

Ahem, Missouri may have been a border state, but wasn't part of the CSA AFIK. 
And I still haven't gotten my DVDs either. 

Nice try, Richmond, but that explanation won't fly...


On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> On 05/02/2010 18:18, Neal Campbell wrote:
>> Still waiting for mine here in Virginia!
>> 
>>   
> Presumably the half that seceded from the Union!
> 
> It is a devil of a job getting things posted to the CSA these
> days as they are not a member of the universal postal union . . .  :)
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Re: AW: little OT: Did anyone from Germany receive the Conference DVDset, yet?

[Marian Petrides]

I could have sworn someone in New York reported getting their DVDs, but here in 
Missouri there's been no sign of them yet.  In fact, it's been so long, I  
emailed support to check to see if   a) they had been sent yet  and b) that 
they were sent to the correct address.  Still no reply.


On Feb 4, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> On 04/02/2010 19:43, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>> Nooop :(
>> Germany doesn't seems to be on the line in Edinburgh
>> Tiemo
>> 
>>   
> Hey, guess what: Bulgaria is further away, both geographically and
> conceptually. However I have pencilled in 24 March 2013 as a suitable
> date to celebrate the DVDs' arrival here: I hope I have set that date too
> late rather than too early . . .  :)
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Re: iPadding around?

[Marian Petrides]

I rarely watch videos on my iPhone because I want the battery to be there when 
I need to use it as a phone. BUT I watch them all the time on my iPod nano on 
long flights.  It's so much more convenient than hauling out my laptop. 
On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:24 PM, RevList wrote:

> Bob Sneidar  on January 28, 2010 at 11:50 AM -0800 wrote:
>> Honestly, does anyone seriously watch video, like movies and tv shows on
>> their iTouch? Really??
> I don when I am travelling all the time.  If the airline does not have
> in-seat video displays, watching a video on my iPhone is far superior to
> watching some move that I have probably already seen on some small screen
> at some angle that I can't see.
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Re: Edinburgh Conference DVDs

[Marian Petrides]

Great news!  Thanks for the update, Jacque!!

On Jan 7, 2010, at 11:06 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I asked about the DVDs. Production was completed just before Christmas. As 
> was mentioned, the office (like most of the country) was closed for 2 weeks 
> during the holidays and they have just returned. They will begin shipping 
> soon.
> 
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Re: Interesting blog post - comments anyone?

[Marian Petrides]

Mikey wrote:   The HC comparison is exactly what brought me here.  Otherwise I 
would have ignored RR.  I suspect there are many old-school HC fans that are an 
easy audience.

Ayup.  I got Rev in the first place because it looked like just what I 
wanted--a cross-platform version of Hypercard.  I continue to purchase updates 
(I think I am now good until 2015 or so) because it is that AND SO MUCH MORE.



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Re: Interesting blog post - comments anyone?

[Marian Petrides]

True, true, and unrelated.

My take on the same scenario is that Apple had a great product, and Supercard 
and Metacard after them. They all just dropped the ball. RunRev came along 
picked up that ball and have been running with it ever since--despite what I 
perceive to be major obstacles along the way.  Why shouldn't they have my 
loyalty?  They are the only folks who've stuck with it for the long haul.

Marian


On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Randall Reetz wrote:

> I mean ANY form of loyalty.  ALL LOYALTY is based on the perception of 
> belonging which is always defined by exclusivity.  It is the friendly face 
> put on every negative trait exhibited by humans: nepitism, racism, sexism, 
> religious and every other form of superiority.  Nobody joins a group to 
> assert their equality with those not of the group.  Though we are often 
> fooled, cool-aid is cool-aid, no matter how long it has been aged.  A simple 
> commitment to truth is a much more moral (fair) alternative.  That and 
> compassion.
> 
> It would be instructive here to place run-rev in historical and genealogical 
> perspective.  In 1987 apple introduced a product based on the genius of 
> smalltalk that it called hypercard.  A few years later, when apple failed to 
> keep hypercard modern, supercard brought color to the xtalk family.  When 
> supercard ignored the other platforms (windows and unix), metacard came to 
> the rescue.  What back-room finagleing prompted the metacard people to change 
> their name to "run time revolution" the single most awkward product name in 
> the history of product names, god only knows.  But here we are.  And it is 
> good to remember that the real genius of the entire lineage of programming 
> tools was based upon the insights of two men, alan kay (smalltalk, objects 
> and message passing) and bill atkinson (the simplification of the object 
> stack to a few predefined layers, and a wysiwyg interface).  Nothing done 
> since has been anything but standard version, product management, and 
> customer relations.  Not to diminish the importance of or difficulty keeping 
> a product current and supporting customers, but the real value of xtalk IP 
> was handed free of charge to everyone after apple and owes much to the work 
> of alan kay 30 years earlier.
> 
> Lets keep some perspective here.  If rev wants loyalty, then at the very 
> least they should share it with the guys who invented all of the stuff it 
> brags about in its sales pitches.   Cause almost none of it was naively 
> derived at "run time revolution".
> 
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Re: RunRevLive.09 Conference DVD set

[Marian Petrides]

I'm hoping really soon, since it is advertised as part of the megabundle we 
just got an email about.  But, official world from RunRev would be nice.

On Nov 27, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> ??
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Re: Interesting blog post - comments anyone?

[Marian Petrides]

Heather, 

I hope the following is tame enough for you, although I suspect it may not be.  
:-)))

Marian



I'm a full-time physician educator with a medical school faculty appointment 
and no formal training in programming.  I've been using Revolution since it 
first came out and have been able to write several fairly complex interactive 
applications that are published by the leading press in my field using 
Revolution.  Frankly, without Revolution I would not have had the time to even 
THINK of undertaking such an endeavor.

To my mind, what Revolution offers to people like me is the ability to create a 
customized application that would take me forever to explain to a professional 
programmer who knows nothing about Transfusion Medicine and would likely cost a 
fortune to implement.  All it took was some time learning basic syntax and the 
ability to set down the logic I created in a series of IF-THEN or CASE 
algorithms--not exactly rocket science. 

So, before you belittle Revolution for the statements you quoted, namely:

>>>>>>“Empowers people who would never have attempted programming to create 
>>>>>>successful applications,” and that this, ”Enables software construction 
>>>>>>for everyone.” 

please consider that even non-professional programmers are capable of logical 
thinking and that some of us just need to get the job done in way that works 
properly and preferable that doesn't interfere with our day jobs.

I could not have written the two apps I have published thusfar were it not for 
Revolution, so Revolution DID empower me to take on an unfamiliar task and 
construct software that "just works."  I'm sure my code is not nearly as 
elegant as that I've seen other folks do with Revolution, but it did the trick 
for me and for that I am forever grateful.

Marian Petrides, MD
Associate Professor of Clinical Pathology
University of Missouri School of Medicine
Columbia, MO, USA
On Nov 25, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Heather Nagey wrote:

> I just came across this:
> 
> http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10014516o-2000458459b,00.htm
> 
> Thought it would interest you guys! If you feel the urge to post a comment, 
> the blogger is inviting debate - just keep it positive... it's probably best 
> not to wade in guns blazing if you disagree with his view. I think there is 
> an interesting debate to be had here.
> 
> Nice to see Rev starting to attract widespread media interest :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
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PDF version of dictionary?

[Marian Petrides]

Is there a PDF version of the Dictionary for v 4.0 available?  If so, where can 
I find it?

Also, does anyone know whether the hard copy (print edition) of the Dictionary 
that is offered on RunRev's website is for v 4 or some earlier version?  TIA

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Re: Re-2: [OT] Anyone using an ebook reader with the RunrevDictionary PDF?

[Marian Petrides]

Matthias,
I have heard rumors (on the Kindle boards)  that at an international  
Kindle DX will be announced soon--can't remember exactly when.


Yes, I believe keyword searching is also not possible.  I KNEW there  
was a reason I had my Rev Dox on the DX but wasn't using them much.   
Or maybe that's just  because I haven't had time to use Rev at all  
lately. :-)


Marian


On Nov 5, 2009, at 4:54 PM, runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote:


Hi Marian,

thanks for the feedback.

Long story short, the only thing that does this adequately at present
is the Kindle DX.  The only downside to reading PDFs on the DX is  
that

the page is displayed as a graphic not as reflowing text, so can not
be highlighted or annotated.


So searching is also not possible, right?

But anyway, Amazon only offers the Kindle2 with International  
wireless coverage.

So the DX is not recommended for use in germany.

Regards,

Matthias




Marian

On Nov 5, 2009, at 4:27 PM, runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote:


Hi,

i am thinking of buying an ebook reader, either Sony PRS505, Sony
PRS600 or Amazon Kindle. The main use would be, reading pdf
documents with it.

Now i heard that there  could be problems with Pdfs on ebook  
readers.


Does anyone on this list know, if there are problems with the pdf
dictionary of Revolution on ebook readers.

Regards,

Matthias


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Re: [OT] Anyone using an ebook reader with the RunrevDictionary PDF?

[Marian Petrides]

Matthias

I have the Kindle 2, Kindle DX and used to have a Sony 505.

I would recommend using the Kindle DX, since it will give you nearly  
full size display of your PDF (albeit as a graphic PDF, not a reflowed  
text PDF).  I've tried the Sony 505 (same size screen as 600) but PDFs  
were so small I couldn't read them.  Same problem would be present if  
the Kindle 2 were capable of native display of PDFs (without  
conversion to AZW)--and I can't recall offhand if it even can.


Long story short, the only thing that does this adequately at present  
is the Kindle DX.  The only downside to reading PDFs on the DX is that  
the page is displayed as a graphic not as reflowing text, so can not  
be highlighted or annotated.


Marian

On Nov 5, 2009, at 4:27 PM, runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote:


Hi,

i am thinking of buying an ebook reader, either Sony PRS505, Sony  
PRS600 or Amazon Kindle. The main use would be, reading pdf  
documents with it.


Now i heard that there  could be problems with Pdfs on ebook readers.

Does anyone on this list know, if there are problems with the pdf  
dictionary of Revolution on ebook readers.


Regards,

Matthias


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Error message on loading revLet

[Marian Petrides]

I just converted a fairly complex stack that includes quicktime  
movies, embedded images, etc. for the web.  The stack runs fine as a  
desktop app but when I try to use it as a revlet, I get the  
following error message:



		"There was an error loading the revlet - unexpected data encountered  
at end of revlet."


Any idea what the problem might be, where I might look to find it, and  
how I might fix it?


TIA
Marian
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Snow Leopard

[Marian Petrides]

I've got Snow Leopard on order for delivery tomorrow.  Is there any  
word on Rev's compatiblity with Snow Leopard? Any known problems with  
either Rev itself or with On-Rev?   TIA.


And the waiting begins :-)



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Re: in defense of Pascal

[Marian Petrides]

Oh, yeah, joy and rapture. (NOT)  Three steps before you can even use  
a simple variable--how wonderful.  Alas,  those of us who were brain- 
damaged early in life by BASIC don't have the patience for Pascal (or  
at least I never have!).  Quick and (not so) dirty wins the race!!





On Jun 25, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:


I love Pascal.  Just like those high school kids, it was the first
language I was taught.  It enforces excellent habits such as strong  
typing

which then carry over into other languages.


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Re: Rev 4 beta status

[Marian Petrides]

Well, even though I have NEVER been known for waiting patiently for  
anything, I'm actually glad to have been told a tentative target date  
for the beta--it makes it easier for me to see the light at the end of  
the tunnel. ;-)


Marian

On Jul 10, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Bill Marriott wrote:


Patience, grasshopper :)

You wouldn't want a plugin that opened your computer to security  
threats or crashed your browser would you? I'm not saying Beta 1  
won't do those things, but they won't be as obvious or frequent.


Keep in mind we also are supporting the following "platforms:"

Safari Mac
Firefox 3.0/3.5 Mac
IE7/IE8 Windows XP
IE7/IE8 Vista/7
Firefox 3.0/3.5 Windows XP
Firefox 3.0/3.5 Vista
Firefox Linux
... and variations like Chrome and Opera

We're discovering each of these has its own little quirks. Point  
taken about not being so optimistic about beta announces.


"Len Morgan"  wrote in message news:4a572091.2030...@crcom.net 
...

Now TWO weeks and not a peep.  Any kind of update on the progress?

For future reference: I would have been far happier getting a  
"surprise" email letting me know a beta was available than getting  
told one would be available and then not seeing it.  Sometimes,  
ignorance IS bliss.




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Re: Rev 4 beta status [OT-humor]

[Marian Petrides]

=={) Richmond
(cream pie)

 :-

On Jul 7, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


" 7 July" was not sent in a "hey you slack lot, stir your stumps"
kind of way, but just a gentle sort of "keep us posted, Please" sort
of way. If Marian and Colin can't tell the difference between
aggressive and friendly question marks I really don't know what
to say, except, possibly: !:)


Marian Petrides wrote:
OK, gang.  I'm as eager as the rest of you, but how about we cut  
the RunRev team a little slack here.  Personally, I'd prefer to get  
a beta without known problems rather than a beta on-time that will  
need replacement in a day or two because there are known problems  
that couldn't get addressed prior to release.


My 2 cents.

Marian
On Jul 7, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:



On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:23 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


 7 July


Up to the end of today would still be "early next week". After  
that it becomes "middle of next week". But I suppose it's best to  
have a version that runs ok!



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Re: Rev 4 beta status

[Marian Petrides]

OK, gang.  I'm as eager as the rest of you, but how about we cut the  
RunRev team a little slack here.  Personally, I'd prefer to get a beta  
without known problems rather than a beta on-time that will need  
replacement in a day or two because there are known problems that  
couldn't get addressed prior to release.


My 2 cents.

Marian
On Jul 7, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:



On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:23 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


 7 July


Up to the end of today would still be "early next week". After that  
it becomes "middle of next week". But I suppose it's best to have a  
version that runs ok!



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Re: It's monday, I smell betas coming this week...

[Marian Petrides]

Welcome to the kids-at-Christmas party, Andre. :-)

On Jun 29, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:


Hello Folks,
Today I woke up and run thru the bed and the sheets to my faithful  
macbook
and woke it from slumber pressing shift like there's no tomorrow.  
After 3
minutes which is the time it takes my macbook to remember who it is,  
what it
should be doing and how that silly intel core 2 duo thing works, it  
showed

me my cursor. I went straight to my email account to check if any
beta/alpha/something had
arrived. I felt like  child waiting for Santa, so far, I had been a
bad boy or no beta has been released, but I am still here waiting,
anxious!!!

I want my new plugin, even if I will break it in the first hour! :D


Morning all, I still happy with the webinar and the direction the  
things are

going.

Cheers
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Re: 4.0 Webinar Invite - Its Today!

[Marian Petrides]

ROTFLMAO, Andre :-))
On Jun 23, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:


"OMG He's Wearing Black!!"
Sorry folks, I just felt like it's WWDC and I am waiting for Steve  
Jobs






On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Marian Petrides >wrote:


I think we are a tad early, William-.  It is around 20 minutes  
before the

hour right now and I have the same message. (Central time zone, USA)

On Jun 23, 2009, at 12:35 PM, William de Smet wrote:

Same here!


2009/6/23 viktoras d. 

Is the webinar postponed? It displays: 'waiting for Organizer' :-)


Viktoras


Heather Nagey wrote:

Dear List Folks,


Have you signed up yet? The biggest and most important Revolution
Webinar
yet is happening today, Tuesday 23rd June, at 2.00pm EDT. That's  
7pm if
you're in the UK or on British Summer Time, 8pm for most of  
Europe, and

if
you're still not sure what time it is for you, sign up and the  
webinar
software will tell you, or check Mark Waddingham's patent world  
time

checker, here:

http://samples.on-rev.com/world-clock/world_clock.irev

Here's the link:

https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/920553874

Here's why you want to be there:

Revolution 4.0 is the breakthrough version that brings the power  
and
ease-of-use of Rev scripting to the Internet via multimedia  
plugin and
server scripting. Your hosts Runtime Revolution CEO Kevin Miller  
and
Marketing Director Bill Marriott will show you live examples of  
stacks
embedded in Web pages and communicating with server scripts also  
written

in
Rev.

Additionally, we are ready to take off the wraps on some very  
exciting
news we know you’ll love, so it’s not to be missed. This free  
event is

open
for all Revolution fans.

After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing
information about joining the Webinar.

System Requirements
PC-based attendees Required: Windows® 2000, XPHome,
XP Pro, 2003 Server, Vista
Macintosh®-based attendees Required: Mac OS® X 10.4 (Tiger®) or  
newer


See you there!

Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
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Re: 4.0 Webinar Invite - Its Today!

[Marian Petrides]

I think we are a tad early, William-.  It is around 20 minutes before  
the hour right now and I have the same message. (Central time zone, USA)

On Jun 23, 2009, at 12:35 PM, William de Smet wrote:


Same here!

2009/6/23 viktoras d. 


Is the webinar postponed? It displays: 'waiting for Organizer' :-)

Viktoras


Heather Nagey wrote:


Dear List Folks,

Have you signed up yet? The biggest and most important Revolution  
Webinar
yet is happening today, Tuesday 23rd June, at 2.00pm EDT. That's  
7pm if
you're in the UK or on British Summer Time, 8pm for most of  
Europe, and if
you're still not sure what time it is for you, sign up and the  
webinar

software will tell you, or check Mark Waddingham's patent world time
checker, here:

http://samples.on-rev.com/world-clock/world_clock.irev

Here's the link:

https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/920553874

Here's why you want to be there:

Revolution 4.0 is the breakthrough version that brings the power and
ease-of-use of Rev scripting to the Internet via multimedia plugin  
and

server scripting. Your hosts Runtime Revolution CEO Kevin Miller and
Marketing Director Bill Marriott will show you live examples of  
stacks
embedded in Web pages and communicating with server scripts also  
written in

Rev.

Additionally, we are ready to take off the wraps on some very  
exciting
news we know you’ll love, so it’s not to be missed. This free  
event is open

for all Revolution fans.

After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing
information about joining the Webinar.

System Requirements
PC-based attendees Required: Windows® 2000, XPHome,
XP Pro, 2003 Server, Vista
Macintosh®-based attendees Required: Mac OS® X 10.4 (Tiger®) or  
newer


See you there!

Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com
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Re: On-Rev: Also a Founder

[Marian Petrides, MD]

This was too good a deal to pass up. So, I took the leap and am now a  
Founder.  Unfortunately, I'm a total neophyte to web hosting, so it'll  
take me a tad longer than Tim to get up and running.


And now, the big question for the day:   Is "Neophyte Founder" a true  
oxymoron?  :-)


Thanks, Run Rev!!

Marian
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Re: On-Rev: We've listened

[Marian Petrides, MD]

This sounds like a great deal, even for people like me that have no  
idea yet how we would use it. ;-)


A quick question, Kevin--one that may well demonstrate how much of a  
neophyte I am when it comes to server apps--if so, sorry.  What  
happens when the server app goes beta or even live?  Will we founding  
members still be able to use it?  Will use of it depend on renewing  
our Rev subscription?  Or will it be a totally separate subscription?


Thanks.

Marian

On Apr 16, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:


Hi everyone,

Just wanted to announce something big, and let you behind the scenes a
little bit.

Periodically we see posts on the Use and Improve lists about using
Revolution on a server. We all know what a great language Rev is, and
there's been a free server engine out for many years that many  
people have

enjoyed using. I've tried it myself, but found a lot of the same
frustrations that other have reported. Finding the right engine,  
putting it
the right place, setting permissions, frustrating and confusing  
errors.
Wading into Linux-land to figure things out. Dealing with ISPs who  
don't

want to spend the effort making things work.

A spat of messages on this topic came up recently. I think what  
you've been
asking for boils down to this: "Why can't we have a best-of-breed  
hosting
package combined with a pre-configured Rev server scripting  
environment,
that just works! No hassle!". Well the timing of this discussion was  
good,
as we're now ready to introduce something we've been planning for a  
while: a

proper server version of Revolution.

Its been a fun process developing the service. We've put our newest
scripting technology up there, so people can start using short, easy
snippets of Rev code in their HTML pages. The engineers have come up  
with
some neat stuff. A new Internet library that is super-fast and low- 
overhead.
A scheme for hooking into the server for live debugging. And they'll  
have
more to bring to the table soon: new syntax for working with  
databases that

is crystal-clear.

The plan caught on like wildfire in the office. Everyone had  
something to
contribute. The enthusiasm was palpable both in the offices and in  
our Skype

meetings across the oceans. The result in our brand-new On-Rev Server
product, which you can see at http://www.On-Rev.com.

With On-Rev, we've put it all together for you. This is an extremely  
simple,
friendly, and easy-to-use server scripting environment compared to  
anything

else out there or any previous Rev server scripting engine.

- We've nailed the hosting side of it... you'll find it really  
attractive

compared to whatever you're using now. Ample disk space and bandwidth,
world-class data center and screaming fast hardware. Ultra-reliable.  
The
ability to host unlimited domains, spam filtering, one-click  
installs, the

works. No question this is a hosting plan you'd love.

- And we've paired it with the alpha release of our amazing new server
scripting platform. Already, as of today, you can play with the new  
server

Script Editor and Debugger, using the all-new second-generation server
scripting engine. You can a write simple snippet of code, like put the
time ?>, into your HTML page and boom it just works! If there is a  
problem,
you can *step through* your server code and watch all your  
environment,
global and script variables live in real-time! Dear heavens, if you  
have any
love of Rev coding at all, this should rock your world! Not to  
mention that
you'll have the chance to give input and help shape the direction of  
the
service, at the same time you're first in line for all of our new  
goodies

coming down the pike.

Ok... there's "one more thing." We appreciate our customers, and we  
want to

make sure everyone has the opportunity to learn and use Rev server
scripting. We want to see what you can do! Rev-based content  
management
systems? Online games? A really easy-to-use storefront? Multi-user  
database
systems? We know you can do it! So... to make this irresistible...  
to make
it so you have absolutely no reason not to get into our new server  
scripting

platform at the ground level... we asked one more question:

"Can we introduce it at $499 for life?"

We ran the numbers and the answer was a resounding YES... as long as  
we kept
it to limited numbers and a very short introductory period, we could  
do it.
Of course we want to reward our loyal customers. But we also want to  
reward
the early adopters who will be vital in helping us shape the  
service. And we
need an active community of people using the platform so that we  
have lots
of experts sharing advice, code for games, blogs, CMS systems...you  
name

it...

Now, I already mentioned this is an amazing deal just considering the
hosting. Shop around and you'll find this caliber of hosting going  
for as
much as $250 a year or $25/month. (We didn't want to compete with  
those
cramped shared services of "unlimited-but-not-real

Re: [OT] Open Source, EULA - the Big Bad Bogeyman

[Marian Petrides, MD]

Ummm isn't that an oxymoron.  Government patent office, efficient  
patent reviews?


On Mar 23, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


maybe
someone some time ago came up with a great and truly efficient  
method of

managing patent reviews - and patented it ;-)


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Re: Revolution on Amazon - Please Discuss, Tag and List

[Marian Petrides, MD]

Ok, I added mine (under my nickname Woody).  How about it guys and  
gals, where's YOUR review?


For the folks from RunRev, FWIW, please note that when I tried to find  
the product using the search term "Revolution," I got a whole bunch of  
other hits but didn't find Rev, at least not on the first few screens- 
worth of hits.  Methinks this could be an impediment for people who've  
heard of Rev in passing and come to Amazon looking for more information.


M




On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Lynn Fredricks wrote:

We've gotten Rev up on Amazon. Amazon now features customer custom  
tags,
reviews and discussion groups (you already know there's a referal  
program
too, right?). Programming products don't get a lot of attention on  
Amazon so
far, but there's a growing list of discussions and invariably they  
are about

mainstream languages like C++.
http://www.amazon.com/Runtime-Revolution-Studio/dp/B001K42BW0/
http://www.amazon.com/Runtime-Revolution-Enterprise/dp/B001K53I12/


Well done.

With the product listed there under its actual name, I did not  
hesitate to add my comments.  I agree that it's helpful for all of  
us for others to do the same.


--
Richard Gaskin
Fourth World
Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
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Re: The "stinking truth".

[Marian Petrides, MD]

Richard

Thanks for the illuminating history of RunRev.

M
On Dec 1, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:




The misunderstanding here is simply that the MC engine *is* the Rev  
engine.


It began life in 1992 under the name "MetaCard", back when it was  
owned and maintained by Scott Raney's MetaCard Corp.


While it was still owned by MetaCard Corp., Kevin Miller's company  
at the time, Crossworlds Computing, built a nifty alternative IDE  
for it, and arranged a licensing agreement with MC Corp to  
distribute the engine with their IDE for a much lower licensing fee  
to their customers in consideration for Crossworlds providing  
support for it.


Later, Kevin et al formed a new company under the name Runtime  
Revolution Ltd., and in 2003 acquired the rights to the MC engine  
and its source, rebranding it as "Revolution":



Since RunRev Ltd. had their own IDE they had no use for MC's more  
"primitive" one, so MC Corp retained the rights to that IDE and  
worked with their loyal customers to arrange for it to be maintained  
under an open source license (X11, aka "MIT License").  Under those  
terms, MC Corp. remains the copyright holder of all portions of the  
original code that are still in the MC IDE today (most of it,  
although a couple dozen of us have been contributing bits here and  
there, with Klaus Major doing most of the heavy lifting in recent  
years - thanks Klaus!), but also allowing the project to be forked  
and any portion of it to be used for any non-commercial or even  
commercial work if desired.  In fact, we chose the X11 license (as  
opposed to LGPL and some others with derivative use restrictions)  
specifically in anticipation of the possibility that we might come  
up with something there that could be useful to RunRev, so they  
would be fully protected if they chose to take advantage of anything  
in it; a modest consideration in exchange for their good work in  
maintaining and enhancing the engine running.


In 2006 RunRev strengthened their engine licensing security in a way  
which makes it easier for third parties to create their own IDEs.   
Today it's relatively simple for anyone to create the custom  
environment of their dreams, while the engine itself requires only  
that a Rev installation has been successfully licensed on that  
machine.  Win-win for all:  RunRev ensures their revenue for the  
engine license, while we get total freedom in our workflows (a  
brilliant move, Mr. Waddingham - thanks!).


So while the MC IDE is open source, and anyone can make any other  
stacks they like within the Rev license terms, to run any of these  
still requires the proprietary closed-source Rev engine.

.



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Re: Tablet PC And Rev

[Marian Petrides, MD]

I doubt it is a bug... seems more like a feature request to me.  Alas,  
I have no idea whether it has been entered as either. Sorry.

On Nov 20, 2008, at 3:18 PM, Tim Bleiler wrote:

Thanks. Your experience with text input is consistent with older  
comments I found in the archives of this list. Has this problem been  
reported as a bug or is it more appropriately entered as a feature  
request? Sometimes my searches miss things.



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Re: Tablet PC And Rev

[Marian Petrides, MD]

Tim

I just created a stack with a single button and a single field named  
"MyField" containing the following script:


On MouseUp
Ask "What is your name?"
Get it
put it into field "MyField"
End mouseUp

It runs fine in both orientations, but the sticky wicket is that it  
does not allow input from the stylus--not even if you try to use the  
Tablet PC Input Panel (the insert button is dimmed out on the Input  
Panel).  So the only way to enter text is by the keyboard.   And THAT  
is problematic when the tablet is in portrait orientation because the  
keyboard is hidden behind the tablet screen.  It IS possible but it is  
very kludgy.  And, more importantly, you can NOT enter handwritten  
text.  Or maybe you can and I just don't know how to capture such input.


Sorry.

M
On Nov 20, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Tim Bleiler wrote:


Marian,

Thanks for your reply. It sounds like most simple stacks should run  
fine. Most of my text input would be pretty simple. I wonder if when  
the screen is rotated the working ScreenRect returns values  
consistent with the new screen orientation.



Tim Bleiler
Instructional Designer, HSIT
University at Buffalo
Phone: 716-829-3867


On Nov 20, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Marian Petrides, MD wrote:



On Nov 20, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Tim Bleiler wrote:


Hi,

Anyone try using Rev with a Tablet PC lately. I don't have one of  
these machines but I have a client who is thinking of getting one.  
There hasn't been any discussion on the list about these devices  
recently but in some older posts there were issues with stylus  
input into Rev fields. Is that still an issue?

Tim,

I have a tablet but do most of my development on a Mac and then  
port over to Windows.  So I don't have experience actually CREATING  
stacks on a tablet but I do have a little experience running ported  
stacks on it (see my reply to your second question below.


If you are talking about entering text into an input field using  
the stylus, I haven't tried that, but I'll see if I can get around  
to creating a little stack to test it.  If you could give a  
specific example, I'll try to implement that.


Are there other issues related to the touch screen? Is it possible  
to accommodate the screen twisting and changing orientation at  
runtime?


I have a stack that was initially designed to be 800X400 (to allow  
it to play even in Win 95). It uses graphic buttons, radio buttons  
and check boxes and works fine on my HP 2710p tablet running  
Vista.  The only issue is that when I rotate the screen, the stack  
is a bit too wide to display completely in portrait view.  The fit  
is pretty close, so I didn't even notice it until you asked, but I  
suspect a stack that is much wider than 800 pixels won't work very  
well.


HTH.

Marian
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Re: Tablet PC And Rev

[Marian Petrides, MD]

On Nov 20, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Tim Bleiler wrote:


Hi,

Anyone try using Rev with a Tablet PC lately. I don't have one of  
these machines but I have a client who is thinking of getting one.  
There hasn't been any discussion on the list about these devices  
recently but in some older posts there were issues with stylus input  
into Rev fields. Is that still an issue?

Tim,

I have a tablet but do most of my development on a Mac and then port  
over to Windows.  So I don't have experience actually CREATING stacks  
on a tablet but I do have a little experience running ported stacks on  
it (see my reply to your second question below.


If you are talking about entering text into an input field using the  
stylus, I haven't tried that, but I'll see if I can get around to  
creating a little stack to test it.  If you could give a specific  
example, I'll try to implement that.


Are there other issues related to the touch screen? Is it possible  
to accommodate the screen twisting and changing orientation at  
runtime?


I have a stack that was initially designed to be 800X400 (to allow it  
to play even in Win 95). It uses graphic buttons, radio buttons and  
check boxes and works fine on my HP 2710p tablet running Vista.  The  
only issue is that when I rotate the screen, the stack is a bit too  
wide to display completely in portrait view.  The fit is pretty close,  
so I didn't even notice it until you asked, but I suspect a stack that  
is much wider than 800 pixels won't work very well.


HTH.

Marian
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Re: OT: Conference DVD anyone already received?

[Marian Petrides, MD]

Whoopeee!!!   I can't wait.  Thanks for the update, Heather.

On Nov 12, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Heather Nagey wrote:

These are now starting to arrive. I've had confirmations of arrival  
from several customers already, it just depends on where you are in  
the world. I think the US ones should start hitting any day now.


Regards,

Heather

On 12 Nov 2008, at 17:51, Stephen Barncard wrote:

I've been told by Heather that they're 'on the way' sent by the  
Royal Post.



sqb



Still waiting.

Jim

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:50 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,

> did anyone receive the Conference DVD already? It´s now about 3  
weeks after the "Shippingadress confirmaton" email.


--


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -



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Re: OT: Conference DVD anyone already received?

[Marian Petrides]

Still waiting here, too.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 12, 2008, at 9:51 AM, "Jim Kanter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Still waiting.

Jim

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:50 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,

did anyone receive the Conference DVD already? It´s now about 3 we 
eks after the "Shippingadress confirmaton" email.

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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

[Marian Petrides, MD]

Come now, let's not be silly. The entire email discusses the  
updates to his site in regards to Rev tutorials. Hardly off topic.


I second Trevor's statement, quoted above.  Frankly, the best thing  
that came out of the complaint was the fact that the sheer number of  
responses attracted plenty of attention to the original post--which  
is, IMHO, a good thing.


Thanks for the original post, Scott!

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Re: conference videos

[Marian Petrides]

I haven't gotten mine either.  Just emailed support as per Kevin's  
request.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2008, at 5:07 PM, Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 26/9/08 20:54, "Stephen Barncard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


Anyone know what happened to the videos from the RunRev conference?
This year. I paid for them when the first announcement came out, then
got an email saying it would be delayed for an unspecified time.


Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools

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Using arrow keys to move from card to card

[Marian Petrides, MD]

I have a stack which functions just as I intend it except for one  
card.  When run from a splash screen standalone, that arrow keys on my  
Mac can be used to go forward and backwards in the stack--UNTIL I get  
to cd 10.  On Cd 10 the arrow keys do not navigate to the next or  
previous cd, they just seem to do nothing.  If I get to CD 11 by using  
scripted buttons, then keyboard arrow keys work fine, as they do on  
every other card.


For the life of me, I can't find the spot where keyboard navigation  
got toggled off on CD 10.  Can anyone help me?


TIA

Marian
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Re: Is RR too easy? Or too hard? (was) Is RunRev marketed to developers mainly?

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

That's a *great* idea, Richard.


On May 29, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

But it would be helpful if some of the introductory materials in the  
docs discussed Rev as a second language for JavaScripters as it does  
for HC and VB.


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Re: PAYPAL [was] [ANN] The reason why I was so quiet recently.

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Bummer :-(
On May 19, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:


I found the Buy Now page, but alas it won't work in Firefox either.

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Re: PAYPAL [was] [ANN] The reason why I was so quiet recently.

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

On May 19, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:


At 9:15 AM -0500 5/19/08, Marian Petrides, M.D. wrote:
No problem when I switched to Firefox and attempted the same  
transaction.  Maybe you have a browser issue?


Of course, you mean THEY have a browser issue. I have no problem  
using Safari, I enjoy it. But I will try Firefox when I work out the  
next issue: where can you go to buy it? I got to the Buy Now page at  
home, after using up the trial time, but I can't find a way to get  
there without running out of trial time, not even by looking at the  
site.


Hmm... I've only used Firefox once or twice.  Haven't encountered  
problems, wasn't aware there even WAS a trial period. Can't help you  
there. Sorry.



About PayPal and just using a credit card, yes, that's how a lot of  
sites are, but this one (wherever it is) only has options for  
signing into, or signing up for PayPal. There doesn't appear to be a  
way to do just credit card payment. Like others, most of my online  
purchases have involved eSellerate or Kagi, and those do allow use  
of credit cards without signing up for PayPal.


Actually, I set up my PayPal account to automatically use my PayPal  
credit card (I made it the default payment method). So all I needed to  
be able to do was sign in from the eBay auction.  I'm not crazy about  
PayPal either but this seemed to be an adequate compromise.  They  
never get my cash money (to put a hold on) and I have the usual credit  
card protections. If I have a dispute, then it is handled through the  
credit card issuer. But, this is the first time I have used this  
method (the other time I did a single purchase using a credit card),  
so I really don't know how well it will work. YMMV.




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Re: PAYPAL [was] [ANN] The reason why I was so quiet recently.

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

>>>still cannot confirm the card details.

FWIW, I solved that one by getting a PayPal credit card.  I use it  
ONLY for PayPal transactions, making it easy to figure out if it has  
been misused and also giving me the same consumer protections that any  
other credit card affords.


I DID, however, find it impossible to pay for an eBay item (couldn't  
log into PayPal from eBay) with Safari.  No problem when I switched to  
Firefox and attempted the same transaction.  Maybe you have a browser  
issue?




On May 19, 2008, at 8:04 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

Another issue with PayPal, which I've just been reminded of, it can  
be desperately hard to get it to take your details. I managed to get  
logged into my dormant account, and tried to enter payment details,  
and after five minutes of repeatedly trying two credit cards, it  
still cannot confirm the card details. So I can't use PayPal even if  
I do risk the spam.



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Re: RevCon kudos

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

As one of the attendees of the pre-conference day, I can honestly say  
it was VERY valuable.



On May 16, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Devin Asay wrote:



On May 16, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

Out of curiosity, how did the "learn programming in a day"  
attendees get on?


They all learned programming in a day, of course! ;-)

Seriously, the workshop was a challenge because we had a wide range  
of ability and experience levels in the class (and there were about  
45 people!) But we tried hard to address everyone's needs by  
offering lots of basic stuff and some more advanced concepts, all  
backed up with lots of one-on-one attention. Judging by the  
favorable comments we heard, the workshop was a success. If any  
participants are on the list we'd love to hear your comments--on or  
off list. And I am sure RunRev will be sending out followup surveys  
to get your feedback.


Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: RevCon kudos

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

On May 16, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Lynn's choice of the venue was originally a concern for me, not  
being a fan of Vegas.  But the Alexis resort is as he promised not  
at all like the rest of the town: clean, spacious, quiet, without a  
slot machine in sight and with three (count 'em three!) pools.  All  
for very affordable rates.  Good job, Lynn.


AND, I might add, not smoke-filled either (unless you chose a smoking  
room).


I agree. This was my first RevCon, but I certainly hope it will not be  
my last.  I thoroughly enjoyed it!!



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Re: Semi-OT: Almost in Vegas...

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Got this too late. Would have loved to get together yesterday.

On May 7, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:


Hello Friends,

I am already at Alexis Park, anyone arrived yet?

Cheers
andre

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Andre Garzia  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Friends,

I am now at Houston Airport waiting for my flight to Vegas, contrary
to popular belief my luggage actually arrived with me this time. For
those going to RunRevLive and wanting to meet early, I think I'll
arrive at the hotel about 13:30 or something like that.

Looking forward to see everyone!

Cheers
andre

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Re: HEELLLPPPPPP w GLX2 problem

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Oops.  Nevermind.  I am an idiot!

I found the menu command for hiding Rev's toolbar icons under the  
IDE's VIEW menu.  All is now well with the world.  Sorry to have  
interrupted your (more cogent than mine) thinking. HTH someone else in  
the future.


M
On Apr 17, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Marian Petrides, M.D. wrote:

RRRG.  I am now addicted to GLX 2 but have managed to  
royally bollix up my system--somehow have moved the window for the  
GLX2 script editor to where it is now stuck behind the (permanent)  
icon bar at the top of my stack.


I can't get to the script editor title bar to move it and hiding  
Rev's menubar doesn't help because the title bar of the script  
editor window doesn't extend that far.  I CAN use the Rev script  
editor without problem, but like I said, I'm addicted to GLX2.


Removing GLX2 and re installing it doesn't help.

HEEELPP!!  How do I get GLX2 out from under the Rev IDE icon  
bar?


(And, yes, I am CCing Jerry on this, too.)

Thanks.

M
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HEELLLPPPPPP w GLX2 problem

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

RRRG.  I am now addicted to GLX 2 but have managed to  
royally bollix up my system--somehow have moved the window for the  
GLX2 script editor to where it is now stuck behind the (permanent)  
icon bar at the top of my stack.


 I can't get to the script editor title bar to move it and hiding  
Rev's menubar doesn't help because the title bar of the script editor  
window doesn't extend that far.  I CAN use the Rev script editor  
without problem, but like I said, I'm addicted to GLX2.


Removing GLX2 and re installing it doesn't help.

HEEELPP!!  How do I get GLX2 out from under the Rev IDE icon  
bar?


(And, yes, I am CCing Jerry on this, too.)

Thanks.

M
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Re: Hardcopy documentation for 2.9

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Thanks!
On Apr 11, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:



On 11 Apr 2008, at 17:12, Marian Petrides, M.D. wrote:
3.  Is there an easy way to print out the Transcript Dictionary,  
the way you can print out the PDF of the User Guide?


I don't know about 1 and 2, but you can easily make a printing  
script on top of my documentation reader, to create the dictionary  
as pdf, or print it.


For example (untested):

on mouseUp
 repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in field "list" of stack  
"bvg docu"

   set the hilitedline of field "list" of stack "bvg docu" to x
   send "selectionchanged" to field "list" of stack "bvg docu"
   put the htmltext of field "text" of stack "bvg docu" after theText
 end repeat
 revPrintText theText --or whatever
end mouseUp

Note that you need lots of time, as well as a tree's worth of paper  
to print onto (best to test it first with just few entries in the  
field "list").


BvG Docu can be found on my page:
bjoernke.com/runrev/stacks.php

have fun
Björnke

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Hardcopy documentation for 2.9

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

I have a few questions about the hardcopy documentation for 2.9 that I  
hope one of you can answer:


1.  Is it available right now or just preorder?  How long will  
delivery to a US address take?


2.  Is it simply a hardcopy printout of the User Guide PDF that comes  
with 2.9?  or does it include a Transcript Dictionary, too?


3.  Is there an easy way to print out the Transcript Dictionary, the  
way you can print out the PDF of the User Guide?


Thanks.

Marian



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Re: Rev GM1?

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Mark

I think GM1 (presumably Gold Master 1) is the release version  (2.9.0   
Build 610).


If you have a current update package you qualify for it.  I believe  
certain purchasers of 2.7.x (those who purchased before a particular  
date) are also entitled to a free upgrade to 2.9.0 but I don't recall  
all the details.


Marian

On Apr 10, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:

I don't find that I received notification of a download for this.   
Am I entitled to it?  Where is it located?

Thanks,
Mark



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Re: 2.9 Freeze on OSX

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

I am experiencing Rev 2.9 freezups (requiring that I force quit to get  
out, sometimes necessitating a reboot), but I'm thinking they occur  
when I try to quit Rev rather than when I try to save changes.   
Haven't worked the details out yet (sorry!) and haven't had enough  
problem to stop in the middle of working on my current project to  
figure things out.


M

On Apr 10, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Ok, now that the 2.9 version has been out for a little while I need  
to know how many people are experiencing the Freeze while performing  
a Save problem (computer lock up with force restart the only way out).


I can not use 2.9 at all since it now happens every time I go to  
save after writing some code. I have installed RR from scratch and  
repaired permissions on my HD and removed most extra preference  
panes etc. from my system and still have the instant freezes when  
saving with 2.9.


This does NOT happen with 2.8 which I am using everyday. The same  
stacks will freeze in 2.9 but not in 2.8.



How many people are experiencing this Freeze on Save???


Thanks

Tom
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Re: Icons don't appear

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Thanks everyone!  I thought I was going crazy.

On Apr 8, 2008, at 2:30 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Devin Asay wrote:

On Apr 8, 2008, at 10:23 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Hi Marian,

You have to add the icons to the stack manually, now. This is a  
problem where patterns are concerned, since there is no way to  
include patterns manually.




On 8 apr 2008, at 18:13, Marian Petrides, M.D. wrote:
One more thing.  This arrangement worked just fine in 2.1.2 and I  
have no idea what has changed to make it not work on import into  
2.9.


Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!

Is this related to
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4298
It's marked as resolved, but perhaps it needs to be reopened or  
another report filed. While 2.9 now allows you to select brushes  
for inclusion in the standalone, it doesn't give you a way to  
include patterns and images from the standard and MC libraries.


I noticed the same thing, and have re-opened the bug report:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4298>

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Re: Icons don't appear

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Devin

I'm not sure but it certainly sounds like it might be.  I updated the  
report just now to indicate that this probably needs to be reopened.


M
On Apr 8, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Devin Asay wrote:



On Apr 8, 2008, at 10:23 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Hi Marian,

You have to add the icons to the stack manually, now. This is a  
problem where patterns are concerned, since there is no way to  
include patterns manually.





On 8 apr 2008, at 18:13, Marian Petrides, M.D. wrote:
One more thing.  This arrangement worked just fine in 2.1.2 and I  
have no idea what has changed to make it not work on import into  
2.9.


Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!


Is this related to

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4298

It's marked as resolved, but perhaps it needs to be reopened or  
another report filed. While 2.9 now allows you to select brushes for  
inclusion in the standalone, it doesn't give you a way to include  
patterns and images from the standard and MC libraries.


Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Icons don't appear

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Thanks, Mark.  I've been tearing my hair out.  That appears to do the  
trick!!!  Phew.


If I import and paste the desired icon as an image and overlay the  
icon image for the button, the image appears correctly in the target  
stack when accessed from standalone.


I wonder why the IDE will allow you to select an icon that isn't  
already part of a stack's image library, at least not without  
prompting you to import it first?  Well, no matter, since you have  
solved my number one vexing problem of the day. Thanks again for the  
swift help!!


Marian


On Apr 8, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Marian,

Open the Image Library. Click in the stack that needs to get an  
icon. Select the picture in the Image Library and click on the Place  
button.


It is strange that I can't find any info about the Image Library in  
the User Guide, even though there is a place where it says "see the  
section about the Image Library for more information".


Best regards,

Mark Schonewille



Mark
How do I manually import icons?  Thanks.

Marian

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Re: Icons don't appear

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Mark
How do I manually import icons?  Thanks.

Marian
On Apr 8, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Marian,

You have to add the icons to the stack manually, now. This is a  
problem where patterns are concerned, since there is no way to  
include patterns manually.


Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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On 8 apr 2008, at 18:13, Marian Petrides, M.D. wrote:
One more thing.  This arrangement worked just fine in 2.1.2 and I  
have no idea what has changed to make it not work on import into 2.9.


Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!

M

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Re: Icons don't appear

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

One more thing.  This arrangement worked just fine in 2.1.2 and I have  
no idea what has changed to make it not work on import into 2.9.


Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!

M
On Apr 8, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Marian Petrides, M.D. wrote:

I'm having the devil of a time with icons not appearing on buttons  
in a stack accessed from a standalone.


Here are the details:
   Target stack is a rework of a stack imported from v 2.1.2
   Target stack has buttons with generic icons on them (from the  
metacard icons list)--selected in the object inspector
   Target stack works just fine and icons show up fine when run from  
within IDE


   (OSX) Standalone stack has single button which has mouseup script  
that goes to cd 1 of the target stack:

go to cd 1 of stack "WTFO.rev"
   In setting up standalone, I do not see any option to include the  
icon library, but I have tried both "search for required  
inclusions"  and "select inclusions" followed by selecting all  
inclusions listed in the first scroll box.


Ok, so I compile the OSX standalone, move the target stack to the  
same folder as where it is located, run the standalone, it branches  
to the target stack and button is there but NO icon appears on the  
button.


HPPP!  What am I doing wrong???

Marian
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Icons don't appear

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

I'm having the devil of a time with icons not appearing on buttons in  
a stack accessed from a standalone.


Here are the details:
Target stack is a rework of a stack imported from v 2.1.2
Target stack has buttons with generic icons on them (from the  
metacard icons list)--selected in the object inspector
Target stack works just fine and icons show up fine when run from  
within IDE


(OSX) Standalone stack has single button which has mouseup script  
that goes to cd 1 of the target stack:

go to cd 1 of stack "WTFO.rev"
In setting up standalone, I do not see any option to include the  
icon library, but I have tried both "search for required inclusions"   
and "select inclusions" followed by selecting all inclusions listed in  
the first scroll box.


Ok, so I compile the OSX standalone, move the target stack to the same  
folder as where it is located, run the standalone, it branches to the  
target stack and button is there but NO icon appears on the button.


HPPP!  What am I doing wrong???

Marian
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Re: Disappearing Documentation

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

2) Never use a beta product to supply a distribution to a customer.  
Beta
software is not for redistribution, and the engine will expire on  
them. (In

the case of RC's on April 15).



Boy, I somehow missed that.  (Big error on my part!)

What does one do if one needs to ship a standalone before Rev goes  
Gold Master?  I've been working in 2.9 but will soon need to ship my  
software (not before April 15 but hopefully not long thereafter).


M
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Re: [ANN] Visual Application Browser at RevLive!

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Looks/sounds great. Can't wait to see it in action!

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Re: Beware! GTX2 can cause problems

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

One quick suggestion if I might offer it if this appears to be an  
isolated problem with a beta version of GLX2, maybe we should retire  
this discussion to the Daniel-Mara site.
The reason I suggest this is that previous negative comments about  
Galaxy (years ago) had kept me from installing GLX2 for months after I  
bought it as part of the Christmas bundle.  Then several very positive  
comments last week finally caused me to work up the courage to install  
it--which I wish I had done a long time ago.


Thusfar, it hasn't caused any problems (I'm using 2.0.2 not a 2.1  
beta) and it is so much easier to use (ability to see code for  
multiple objects at once is just GREAT!).


I'd hate to think that our discussions here about a _beta_ might scare  
others away from using this very helpful tool. Just a thought...  I'll  
go back to lurking now.


M


On Mar 18, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Len Morgan wrote:

Believe me Jerry, I have (for the most part) gotten over my prior  
tendency toward immediate condemnation of GLX (and Galaxy before  
that, and Constellation before that) whenever anything goes flaky  
with Rev.  I was merely saying that in a similar situation to Dave's  
it happened on or around the time I uninstalled the beta, went back  
to the stable version, then back to the beta again.


When I watch the Windows Task Manager, it is Revolution that is  
taking 60-100% of the CPU time so I'm not sure where else to look.   
Perhaps there has been some sort of Windows update that doesn't show  
up in the TaskManager.  GLX is still usable,

just slow at times.

len morgan


Jerry Daniels wrote:
Len, there are quite a few people using that version without that  
problem or anything like it. Many of us use GLX2 many hours a day,  
day after day. One wonders what it is about your system that's  
causing it. Memory? Some specific to your machine?


On Mar 18, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Len Morgan wrote:


2.1b40

Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote:

Which beta were you using when you had problems?

On Mar 18, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Len Morgan wrote:

I've started having the same problem: Massive slow down of the  
whole system when I've got GLX2 running.  This was after  
deleting the preferences file.  To try and solve another  
problem, I was advised to go back to the stable version.  After  
the problem had been resolved, I went back to the latest beta  
and that's when the slow down started.  Sometimes it gets to the  
point of being almost unusable.


len morgan

Dave wrote:

Hi,

It doesn't appear to be doing that on my system, also it  
started running so slowly so as it be unusable, so I  
uninstalled it. Spent a weird hour trying to figure out where  
my changes had got to last night!


All the Best
Dave

On 17 Mar 2008, at 14:28, Trevor DeVore wrote:


On Mar 17, 2008, at 5:35 AM, Dave wrote:

Ran into this and it caused me no end of grief, I'm using two  
versions of RunRev, 2.8.1.472 and the 2.9 Beta. I also use  
GTX2 and this is where the confusion came in. If you edit a  
script in one version of RunRev/GTX2, then open the Script in  
the version of RunRev/GTX2, the changes don't appear! I think  
that GTX2 must be caching the Script Source code somewhere  
that is Private to the Version of RunRev you are currently  
using?


In addition to Sarah and Jerry's comments I would also add  
that GLX2 stores the script you are working on (hasn't been  
compiled yet) in the object itself. So the script you are  
working on follows that object around. So opening the script  
of the object in another version of Rev running GLX2 should  
still show the script in progress (done this plenty of times  
myself).


Opening the script in the Rev script editor will NOT show the  
working script, however, since Rev doesn't know about GLX2  
custom properties.


So if you aren't seeing changes as you move between two  
versions of Rev that are both using GLX2 then my guess is that  
you have the stack open in both versions at the same time and  
aren't reloading the stack into memory. If a stack file has  
been loaded in memory and you change the stack file on disk  
the changes on disk will not show up in the stack in memory  
until it is reloaded. Is it possible that this is what is  
happening on your end?


Regards,

--
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com-www.screensteps.com

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Re: OT: Programming as a profession-the "practice" model

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Oops. Sorry, Joe. That was not supposed to be an all-inclusive list  
(it didn't include, for example, my sister's profession either-- 
educator). And there are many others, too.


No offense was intended--I hope none was taken.

I entirely agree that the lessons learned from programming have made  
me a better physician and vice versa.  In fact, what I like best about  
programming is the application of the scientific method in a context  
that SHOULD be internally consistent. That is to say, if I do the same  
thing twice it should yield the same result.  (Try that with human  
patients if you want an exercise in frustration.) Then again, I'm one  
of those weird people who actually enjoys beta testing.  Hmm...  
diagnostic medicine as beta testing... works for me. ;-)


>>>I only wish Architects had a similar resource, but I'm afraid  
we're too egotistical to admit that we don't have all the answers  
ourselves. You never hear an Architect self-label themselves as  
"newbies".  (enormous smile!)


Oh, yeah.  And I hear my residents calling themselves "newbies" every  
day.  (NOT!) :-)


M

On Mar 16, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:


Some excellent points, Marian.

I'm a little disappointed that you didn't include Architecture in  
your listing of "practices"; even more so by computer science's use  
of the term architect in various aspects of the work to be done.  
Actually, following my involvement with computers, I became a much  
better Architect due to several realizations. I've mentioned this  
before, elsewhere; but I believe it is worth mentioning again. In my  
earlier days as an Architect, I found myself procrastinating, being  
unwilling to actually start work on a project; mostly by being  
overwhelmed with the magnitude of what needed to be done.


Once I started breaking things down, solving "little" bits and  
pieces, the project started to be less imposing. Then it even  
started to be fun. But I always felt guilty about the earlier  
procrastination. After spending some time trying to program Macs,  
reading a lot of books on many programming languages, making a whole  
bunch of false starts, I came upon the concept of breaking the  
problem down into small, resolvable pieces; solving what I knew how  
to solve; and researching how to do the things that I didn't already  
know how to resolve.


Unfortunately, this was never taught "specifically" at U.C. Berkeley  
where I got my architectural degree. Maybe it was implied, since we  
did spend an enormous amount of time with preliminary designs and  
working with "programs" for projects; however, the programs for the  
projects were always handed to us as a part of our assignments, with  
no realization of the process. Had I been studying Computer Science,  
that would have been one of the first things I would have be taught.  
(I think!) I learned this very quickly when I started writing  
Handlers and Functions for my computer programs.


I now apply this mentality to Architecture, and have come to realize  
that "procrastination" (but by a different name) is part of all  
problem solving. It is during this "procrastination" process that we  
digest the requirements of a project, and start breaking it down  
into "aha! I can solve that" bits and pieces. The time is not  
wasted. Sometimes it even saves time by coming up with a better  
approach than might have been taken had we plunged right into "doing  
it". Incidentally, this list is a great resource for that  
"procrastination process", and then for the subsequent "researching"  
process. I only wish Architects had a similar resource, but I'm  
afraid we're too egotistical to admit that we don't have all the  
answers ourselves. You never hear an Architect self-label themselves  
as "newbies".  (enormous smile!)


Joe Wilkins

On Mar 16, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote:

At the risk of opening a can of worms, I offer the following as a  
synopsis of the  sentiments underlying the posts about the "Learn  
Programming in One Day" ad. The common thread seems to me to be  
that programming, like any other profession, is not so much taught  
as practiced.  Just as medical or law schools teach the rudiments  
of the profession, the real learning takes place in the day-to-day  
practice.  Without lifelong learning, no lawyer, doctor, or  
programmer will come close to achieving his/her full potential.


Someone once told me in my first year of medical school that  
"medicine is a personal philosophy, tempered by science and  
experience, and put into practice."  It seems to me that the  
statement applies equally to programming.  My 2 cents.


M




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Re: Learn Programming in 1 Day

[Marian Petrides, MD]

On Mar 14, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Frankly, Rev's bold claim has already been the subject of near 20
messages on this list-- I'd say it's doing it's job nicely promoting
the 'before' session. Well done.



That it has. I had figured this conference was WAY over my head until  
I got the pre-conference session email yesterday. Now, I'm planning on  
attending the full conference + pre conference and also am trying to  
rope one or two of my other colleagues into coming along. Good show!

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Re: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman!

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Hey, that's why even though I am still stuck in version 2.1.2 or some  
such (no time to learn about features of newer versions), I renew my  
license every year and why I jumped at the chance to renew now and get  
this package!


Merry Christmas, all!!

On Dec 13, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:


If you want to look at it that way, by all
means do purchase, so as to encourage more development of great add- 
ons to

Revolution.


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Re: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman!

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Thanks, Bill.  That's the way I'll go. Great deal either way!

On Dec 12, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:


Marian,

Right on both counts.

The products are cross platform...

And yes, buy your Enterprise early update, pay $399 more and get  
Studio +

the bundle.

Bill

"Marian Petrides, M.D." wrote...
I'm assuming that all the included software would be cross-platform
(at least Mac and Windows, right)?

So a person who is eligible for an early update on Enterprise (at
$499) could order the early Enterprise update + the Studio Bundle--new
Studio license ($399) and end up with the same bundle for $100 less
than simply purchasing the Enterprise + bundle, correct?  Or am I
missing something?

I realize the number of us in this position is probably small but I
wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something before I ordered this
way.

Any way you look at it the bundle is fantastic!




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Re: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman!

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Bill

I'm assuming that all the included software would be cross-platform  
(at least Mac and Windows, right)?


So a person who is eligible for an early update on Enterprise (at  
$499) could order the early Enterprise update + the Studio Bundle--new  
Studio license ($399) and end up with the same bundle for $100 less  
than simply purchasing the Enterprise + bundle, correct?  Or am I  
missing something?


I realize the number of us in this position is probably small but I  
wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something before I ordered this  
way.


Any way you look at it the bundle is fantastic!

Marian
PS  I sent Heather an email with the same question off-list but then  
saw your post and made mine in the hope that I can figure out which  
way to go ASAP can't wait to get my grubby little paws on this  
bundle!!  Thanks.


On Dec 12, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:


Hi Luis,

I'm not sure if you're saying the fine print is good or bad :)  
Hopefully

there's nothing frightening about it. The main limitation is the
updates/upgrades... and we just can't offer this kind of deal  
($1886.65 of

value-added software) for the price of a Studio early update pack (for
example). The participating RevSelect vendors have to be paid for  
their

products, after all. For $399, here's what you get:

Programming Productivity
---
Revolution Studio  $399.00
 (new license or 1yr extension)
NEW GLX2 Script Editor  $99.00
tm|Gauges  $99.00
tm|Color & tm|Gradient  $18.00

Business Add-Ons
---
NEW Quartam PDF  $149.00
Quartam Reports Express  $129.00

Industrial-Strength Database
---
Valentina 2 for Macintosh  $199.00
Valentina 2 for Windows  $199.00

Multimedia Utilities
---
tm|Audio  $79.00
Animation Engine 2.1  $49.00
ScreenSteps  $39.95
Professional Iconography
IconPeople Centaury  $99.00
IconPeople Valerian  $99.00
IconPeople Aspen  $99.00

Audio Clips
---
Mojo Audio Explosions  $19.95
Mojo Audio Interface  $19.95
Mojo Audio Arcade  $19.95
Mojo Audio Sci-Fi  $19.95
Mojo Audio Motor  $19.95
Mojo Audio Magic Spells  $19.95
Elven Village Vols. 1 & 2  $80.00
Halfling Village Vols. 1 & 2  $80.00

Professional Development
---
NEW RunRevLive Day 1 Pass  $250.00

TOTAL RETAIL VALUE  $2,285.65 (You pay $399)

In short, nothing like this bundle has ever come along before. So I  
really
recommend giving it serious consideration if you want to get a  
comprehensive

collection of Revolution goodies for a great price.

http://www.runrev.com/offers/rshb

- Bill
RunRev marketing guy



"Luis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Small Print from that page:

Offer terms: Receive the RevSelect bundle when you pay the full
retail price for Revolution Studio ($399 or £199 for customers
outside the USA) or Revolution Enterprise ($999/£499). Active license
holders and recent purchasers may choose to extend their license by
one year in lieu of receiving a new license. Not valid with update
packs or upgrades. Training is offered at the RunRevLive conference
on 8th May 2008; travel and lodging not included. See http://
www.runrevlive.com for details. Not valid in combination with any
other offer. Promotion valid only from December 10, 2007 through
January 10, 2008.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 12 Dec 2007, at 16:59, Jerry Daniels wrote:

Fellow coders, revolutionaries, anarchists, nihilists, babies and   
lovers

of light-love-levity...

Have you checked out the Revolution Mega Holiday Bundle? http://
www.runrev.com/offers/rshb/index.php

NEVER have I seen such a package of goodies under a Christmas tree--
and I mean that in a Dr. Bronner's All-in-one-faith-God way!   
Enhancements
to Revolution (and our work products thereof) worth  over a couple  
of thou

in USD. For the price of Revolution! Such a  deal!!

Many thanks to Kevin, Heather, Bill, Robin and the whole Rev gang   
for
putting together such a great offer--and a beautiful landing  page  
on top
of it all! Our ability to deliver killer apps and  utilities just  
got much

better.

Some additional benefits to the Mega Bundle above and beyond the   
money

(thousands!) saved:

1. If you love celebrating the holidays, this is one great way to   
do it.
2. If you hate the holidays, this is one great way to make them go   
away.
3. If you need something to do over the holidays to get away from   
in-laws

and others who don't understand the power of new icons,  industrial
databases, self-navigating code, click-click-snap-snap  tutorial  
writing,

new sound effects and color gradient tools...THIS  is it.

Check it out, dudes and dudettes!

Much love from the heart of Texas,

Your buddy, Jerry

Daniels & Mara, Inc.
Makers of GLX2
http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2




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Re: OT: looking for recommendatinos for games

[Marian Petrides, M.D.]

Judy
Have you tried The Manhole, Cosmic Osmo, and Spelunx and Caves of Mr.  
Sudo ((?sp).  They are HyperCard stacks that are of the explore/have  
fun variety--and, although short for an adult, quite enchanting  
nonetheless.  I bought each of these despite not having children and  
had a ball with them! Since they are strictly point and click, they  
can be used for kids of almost any age.


Because they run in Hypercard only, you'd have to have an older Mac  
capable of running them in Classic.


M

On Oct 29, 2007, at 4:49 PM, User wrote:

My twins (boy-girl) are 6-1/2... both like the Jumpstart (Preschool,  
Kindergarten, 1st grade...) series.  They've also enjoyed I Spy,  
Disney 1st Grade and a couple of others.


HTH,

Judy

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Re: ANN: New free game "Eier-Eggs" :-)

[Marian Petrides]

Cute and fun!  Thanks, Klaus.

On Oct 7, 2007, at 6:59 AM, Klaus Major wrote:


Hello friends,

I put a new game on my website: 
Scroll down the page...

This has been in my drawer for about 6 years and I finally found,  
finished and compiled it today.


"Eier" = "eggs" in german, stupid name I know, but what the egg :-)

I could also have named it:
-> Getting started and having fun with the "mousemove", "move",  
"movestopped" and "send in..." commands!

but you will agree that this would have just been a bit too stupid.

Instructions:
Select the number of chicken and (egg-dropping!) speed, start a new  
game, move the egg-catcher with the mouse
and collect as many eggs as you can, but beware or the very rare  
purple spotted eggs! :-D


No highscores or something, just simple and pure time wasting!

Oh, yes, you can let your kids play it, too, of course!

Have fun!


Best

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de


P.S.
Again a very big "Thank you" goes to Klaus Junghans (whereever you  
are) for the wonderful illustrations

of the egg-catcher and the chicken!

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Re: [ANN] New, Faster GLX2 Script Editor Released!

[Marian Petrides]

Thanks.
On Oct 6, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:


Marian,

You only need to get an upgrade to Rev and you automatically get  
GLX2 for free. No codes or coupons.


We explain it pretty well on our site:

http://daniels-mara.com/glx2/get_it_free.html

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Daniels & Mara, Inc.
Makers of GLX2
http://www.daniels-mara.com



On Oct 6, 2007, at 1:09 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:


Jerry
When I go to buy the update, I don't see a place to enter a code  
for the free copy of GLX2--at least not before I enter billing  
info.  How does this work? Is it automatic or do I have to buy it  
and enter a code for the $99 discount?


Thanks.

Marian
On Oct 6, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:


Arnim,

I think I can help you here:

1. There is no trial version of GLX2.
2. As regards the pricing, I know the price in US Dollars is $99,  
but perhaps if you enter the Rev store from a UK IP address, it  
shows the price in pounds? Not sure about that.


In lieu of a trial version, we have made the documentation, many  
screen shots, testimonials and such available on the GLX2 web site:


http://daniels-mara.com/glx2

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Daniels & Mara, Inc.
Makers of GLX2
http://www.daniels-mara.com



On Oct 6, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Arnim Weggen wrote:


Hello out there,
I just cannot find a link to download a trial version and  
besides: in the RunRev Store GLX2 is priced at GBP 49,-.

Every help is welcomed.
Thanks
Arnim Weggen

Am 05.10.2007 um 05. 10 .07 21:29 schrieb Jerry Daniels:

That's correct, Paul. If you get the early update, you get GLX2  
free. We'll see if we can make that a bit clearer on the Rev  
Store.


I think it's real clear on our site:

http://daniels-mara.com/glx2/get_it_free.html

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Makers of GLX2
http://www.daniels-mara.com



On Oct 5, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Paul Gabel wrote:


Jerry:

Just to be sure I'm doing the right thing, if I purchase the  
Revolution Studio Early Update Pack (which I qualify for),  
GLX2 comes with it free. Right? It's not all that clear on the  
Rev Store site.


Paul Gabel
--
On Oct 5, 2007, at 7:35 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:


Fellow Revolutionaries...

On behalf of Daniels & Mara and in partnership with Runtime  
Revolution, it is my pleasure that I announce to you today  
the arrival of GLX2 version 2.0.1.


This faster-smaller-better point release has a lot of punch:

1. Binary is ONE THIRD the size of its predecessor.
2. Most major operations are TWICE AS FAST.
3. It has several new features requested by our users.
4. Until the end of October, there are a couple ways to get  
it free. It has a $99 (USD) value.


Details of the 2.0.1 Release:

* GLX2 binary is one third the size of v2.0.0 and auto- 
updates itself three times faster.
* Opening, editing, typing, clairvoyance and most major  
functionality is twice as fast.
* A new Status Bar now attaches itself seamlessly to the  
bottom of the Revolution Dock and then shows either status  
messages or the name of the object beneath the mouse pointer.
* Three new script formatting features now make your code  
even more readable at a glance.
* Handler lists now have icons indicating whether they are  
private, public or custom property handlers.
* Extended Bread Crumbs option creates a more detailed  
history by adding the name of any handler that you have  
modified to the Crumb Bar.

* Registration code can now be updated within GLX2.
* Change history and license expiration date can be viewed  
instantly.
* Execution errors now handled through standard Revolution  
error dialog.


Same great features of 2.0.0: tabbed code browsing,  
clairvoyance, bread crumb histories, linked handlers and no- 
click inspection. They're just faster and in some cases  
enhanced with new functionality.


Find out what else GLX2 can do and how to get it for free:

http://daniels-mara.com/glx2

Read an astounding news item on performance improvements:

http://daniels-mara.com/glx2/news.html (warning: humorous  
content)


NOTE: GLX2 is only compatible with Revolution version 2.8.1  
and higher on Mac OS X and Windows XP/Vista operating systems.


Thanks for your kind attention!

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Makers of GLX2
http://www.daniels-mara.com



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Re: [ANN] New, Faster GLX2 Script Editor Released!

[Marian Petrides]

Jerry
When I go to buy the update, I don't see a place to enter a code for  
the free copy of GLX2--at least not before I enter billing info.  How  
does this work? Is it automatic or do I have to buy it and enter a  
code for the $99 discount?


Thanks.

Marian
On Oct 6, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:


Arnim,

I think I can help you here:

1. There is no trial version of GLX2.
2. As regards the pricing, I know the price in US Dollars is $99,  
but perhaps if you enter the Rev store from a UK IP address, it  
shows the price in pounds? Not sure about that.


In lieu of a trial version, we have made the documentation, many  
screen shots, testimonials and such available on the GLX2 web site:


http://daniels-mara.com/glx2

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Daniels & Mara, Inc.
Makers of GLX2
http://www.daniels-mara.com



On Oct 6, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Arnim Weggen wrote:


Hello out there,
I just cannot find a link to download a trial version and besides:  
in the RunRev Store GLX2 is priced at GBP 49,-.

Every help is welcomed.
Thanks
Arnim Weggen

Am 05.10.2007 um 05. 10 .07 21:29 schrieb Jerry Daniels:

That's correct, Paul. If you get the early update, you get GLX2  
free. We'll see if we can make that a bit clearer on the Rev Store.


I think it's real clear on our site:

http://daniels-mara.com/glx2/get_it_free.html

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Makers of GLX2
http://www.daniels-mara.com



On Oct 5, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Paul Gabel wrote:


Jerry:

Just to be sure I'm doing the right thing, if I purchase the  
Revolution Studio Early Update Pack (which I qualify for), GLX2  
comes with it free. Right? It's not all that clear on the Rev  
Store site.


Paul Gabel
--
On Oct 5, 2007, at 7:35 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:


Fellow Revolutionaries...

On behalf of Daniels & Mara and in partnership with Runtime  
Revolution, it is my pleasure that I announce to you today the  
arrival of GLX2 version 2.0.1.


This faster-smaller-better point release has a lot of punch:

1. Binary is ONE THIRD the size of its predecessor.
2. Most major operations are TWICE AS FAST.
3. It has several new features requested by our users.
4. Until the end of October, there are a couple ways to get it  
free. It has a $99 (USD) value.


Details of the 2.0.1 Release:

* GLX2 binary is one third the size of v2.0.0 and auto-updates  
itself three times faster.
* Opening, editing, typing, clairvoyance and most major  
functionality is twice as fast.
* A new Status Bar now attaches itself seamlessly to the bottom  
of the Revolution Dock and then shows either status messages or  
the name of the object beneath the mouse pointer.
* Three new script formatting features now make your code even  
more readable at a glance.
* Handler lists now have icons indicating whether they are  
private, public or custom property handlers.
* Extended Bread Crumbs option creates a more detailed history  
by adding the name of any handler that you have modified to the  
Crumb Bar.

* Registration code can now be updated within GLX2.
* Change history and license expiration date can be viewed  
instantly.
* Execution errors now handled through standard Revolution  
error dialog.


Same great features of 2.0.0: tabbed code browsing,  
clairvoyance, bread crumb histories, linked handlers and no- 
click inspection. They're just faster and in some cases  
enhanced with new functionality.


Find out what else GLX2 can do and how to get it for free:

http://daniels-mara.com/glx2

Read an astounding news item on performance improvements:

http://daniels-mara.com/glx2/news.html (warning: humorous  
content)


NOTE: GLX2 is only compatible with Revolution version 2.8.1 and  
higher on Mac OS X and Windows XP/Vista operating systems.


Thanks for your kind attention!

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Makers of GLX2
http://www.daniels-mara.com



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Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

[Marian Petrides]

Well, I must admit (ducking for cover), I'm using the 30 incher  
primarily as an HDTV (using an El Gato tuner), for watching videos  
and for (yes, I admit it!) playing games.  "Apple TV, I don't need no  
steenkin' Apple TV, I've got my mini."  :-)))


The gaming function, in particular, pretty much requires a dedicated  
graphics card.  I'd love to be able to just leave my mini hooked up  
to the 30 inch display full time instead of attaching and detaching  
the MBP.



On Jul 15, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

I think it also supports the 23 Cinema display. Unless one is  
editing video or doing real high rez graphics, this is the biggest  
practical size. Just as 15" is the biggest practical laptop...


OK, I signed too.  I rarely use my mini, preferring the MacBook  
Pro, but I still like having it.


I thought about adding support for 30 inch Apple cinema display to  
the wish list (the mini currently drives a 20 inch cinema display  
but having it run the 30 incher would be fantastic!). However,   
I'm sure that would add way too much to the cost.  I'd be happy  
with a dedicated graphics processor.


On Jul 15, 2007, at 11:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



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Re: Why Save the Mac Mini

[Marian Petrides]

OK, I signed too.  I rarely use my mini, preferring the MacBook Pro,  
but I still like having it.


I thought about adding support for 30 inch Apple cinema display to  
the wish list (the mini currently drives a 20 inch cinema display but  
having it run the 30 incher would be fantastic!). However,  I'm sure  
that would add way too much to the cost.  I'd be happy with a  
dedicated graphics processor.


On Jul 15, 2007, at 11:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Judy,
I remember you telling me about "Katheryn" at one of the conferences.
I agree that (despite possible allegations of "age discrimination")  
600 year
old people should not vote (so far the petition seems to be honest  
and I like
that). Having studied her for "about 30 years", you may have lived  
her life

longer than she did!
Paul


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Re: [OT] iPhone anyone?

[Marian Petrides]

That's correct.  A neighbor kept trying to tap mine with his  
fingernail no response.



On Jul 1, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Ian Wood wrote:



On 1 Jul 2007, at 02:39, Chipp Walters wrote:

(Side note: there WILL be a huge market in 3rd party styluses for  
this thing.)


Given that the touch screen is working off skin conductance it  
might not be as straightforward as that. Simply tapping the screen  
with a solid object doesn't work, from what I've read.


Ian
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Re: [OT] iPhone anyone?

[Marian Petrides]

Actually, I'm able to type quite fast with a single finger on my  
iPhone, but my hands are quite small.  It'll take a while for me to  
be able to type with two thumbs, but I rarely do that anyway.  One  
trick that really does work is to just type and depend on the  
predictive typing to actually work--most of the time it does quite  
well, although I bet it wouldn't do as well with esoteric words (like  
medical terms).


As for zooming with the map, I found tapping to work well, but it was  
possible to tap to a zoom level for which there were no images--which  
at first looked like the map application had hung up.  Then I tried  
used the finger-squeeze technique to zoom back out a little and poof  
the satellite map came back.


M

On Jun 30, 2007, at 8:39 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

Well, I finally went down to the Apple store to check it out. Of  
course the
place was packed. They had about 30 iPhones there people could play  
with.

Some observations:


  - Most definitely 'perfectly sized' form factor. Beautiful finish.
  - Software and interface extremely intuitive. All of it works well
  (except Map*)
  - When operating it, there really is a WOW factor. It really is
  beautiful software. Reminds me of a futuristic demonstration  
video prepared

  by Hollywood.
  - Very surprised at the data rate. I was able to see YouTube vids
  quickly. The browser seemed a little slow, but not bad. Not until  
later when
  Chris reminded me I was on a WAN did I realize it. I imagine the  
Edge
  network would be slow. If it's like the Sidekick, it's too slow  
to really

  surf the net.
  - Tried using the Map application, but it kept crashing. The two
  finger 'zoom in' and 'zoom out', while cool, is very confusing to  
the Map
  application. Much better would be a zoom slider switch you could  
drag with

  one finger.
  - Absolutely could not type on the keyboard. Very difficult. Perhaps
  my fingers are too large. Where's the stylus when you need one?  
(Side note:
  there WILL be a huge market in 3rd party styluses for this  
thing.) My guess
  is they'll have to fix the keyboard input. AFAICT, it's just not  
usable.



I know I'll wait for them to get the kinks out.
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Re: [OT] iPhone anyone?

[Marian Petrides]

I stood online after work last night but didn't snag one.  Had to  
drive 2 hours into St. Louis today, but was able to get one.  I like  
it a LOT but really wish that it supported disk mode--I have a ton of  
text files and PDFs I'd really like to store on my iPhone.  The EDGE  
network is slower than molasses in January, but I guess if you're  
someplace where there isn't  WIFI it's better than nothing!


Marian
On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:51 PM, Dave Cragg wrote:



On 30 Jun 2007, at 19:15, Chipp Walters wrote:

OK, fess up. Which ones of you (Stephen?) waited in line yesterday  
to get

their hands on iPhone? How was/is it?


Better than any iPhone, get a 20 inch iMac and run Vista on it.  
With the sleek, glassy interface, it looks just like a huge iPhone.  
(I bet Jobs is seething.) Install Skype, and you can even make  
calls. And  when you go out you can't take it with you, so no one  
can bother you. Perfect. :-)


Cheers
Dave
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Re: Last Post (OT: "Schizophrenic" )

[Marian Petrides]

Ummm... there's the literal definition of schizophrenic (see #1  
below) and then there is the broader use of the term (see #2).


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/schizophrenic
schiz·o·phren·ic (skts-frnk)
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or affected with schizophrenia.
2. Of, relating to, or characterized by the coexistence of disparate  
or antagonistic elements.


I believe the second definition would apply the to manner in which  
Bob used the word in the quoted sentence and, furthermore, that the  
use was in no way intended to insult or malign anyone.


Now can we change the topic.  Please.

M

On Jun 17, 2007, at 7:33 PM, Scott Kane wrote:


From: "Bob Warren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Dear Colleagues,


First you write on your page:  "It contributes to the schizophrenic  
nature of this UR-List".  Clearly you are ignorant and possibly  
bigotted and certainly a contributor to the dis-information written  
and perpetrated against people who suffer from schizophrenia.  Your  
use of this word in this manner shows this.  Schizophrenia has  
*nothing* to do with split personalities and is a complex,  
debilitating disease for people who suffer from it.  For the record  
- because you will no doubt jump in and assume of me - I do not  
suffer from Schizophrenia though I do suffer from another disease.   
For your education please see:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophreniaand

http://www.schizophrenia.com/family/sz.overview.htm

If you are going to slander at least have the decency to get it  
right and not act like a typical ignorant biggot.



Second.  I am not your colleague.

Finally - I'm hoping somebody commences legal action against you  
for the way you use their names on your web page.  I myself am  
considering  at least contacting mental illness organizations to  
have them contact your web host and encourage them to have your  
page taken down - in the interest of basic human dignity and rights  
for people suffering from a disease you so willingly make fun of.


Scott Kane
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How to tell which version of Rev created a stack

[Marian Petrides]

Hi, all,

I have an application I created years ago in an early version of Rev   
(somewhere between 2.1.2 and 2.5) in which I am trying to update the  
content. Since I have found the app as written works fine on all  
platforms I am interested in, including Vista,  I see no reason to  
update it to a newer version of Rev before I do the content update.


The problem is I can't remember which version of Rev I originally  
used to develop the app.  Is there some way to determine which  
version of Rev was used to develop a particular app?


Thanks.

Marian
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Vista offer :-)))

[Marian Petrides]

If any of  you are sitting on the fence about the Vista Business  
upgrade that you can get free if you either buy a full version or an  
early update version of Rev Enterprise, let me be the first to say  
that my upgrade just arrived (I did the early update about 10 days  
ago) from Amazon (US).  Sweet!  Haven't installed it yet... we know  
what my weekend is going to look like.


I know there was some grumbling a while ago about bonus DVDs not  
arriving on time.  That didn't sound like the way Run Rev does  
business--in my experience they keep their promises in a timely  
fashion.  So I thought I'd reassure people that the Vista upgrades  
are getting shipped promptly and arriving earlier than I ever  
expected.  If memory serves, y'all still have a day or two to take  
advantage of this generous offer. Go for it!!


Thanks, Run Rev!

Marian
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Re: OT: I am now a CS Student...

[Marian Petrides]

You're not already a CS student? Could have fooled me, Andre.   
Congratulations!


Marian



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Re: [ANN] Son 2.0

[Marian Petrides]

Congratulations!!  Both kids are priceless. Thanks for sharing the  
photo.


Marian
On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Malte Brill wrote:


Hi all,

just wanted to let you know that my second kid arrived today.

Mattis Johan Pfaff
Length 55 cm
Weight 4280 gramm

http://www.derbrill.de/linusundmattis.jpg

All the best,

Malte
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Re: Parallels Desktop

[Marian Petrides]

Joe is completely correct. You still have to buy Windows to install  
using Boot Camp.  Sorry if my post suggested that Boot Camp was a way  
to avoid having to buy WinXP (or Vista). Quite the opposite--neither  
Boot Camp nor Parallels include a Windows install disk, so both will  
require coughing up for Windows.


I was just suggesting that one could buy Windows, try out Boot Camp  
and if it meets ones needs (as it does mine) then avoid the added  
expense of Parallels on top of WinXP or Vista.


Brent gave a very cogent summary of the advantages and disadvantages  
of virtualization.  Thanks.


Right now, when I work on my Mac, I simply save anything I want to  
port to Windows on my XP partition. Then when I reboot into WinXP, I  
have ready access to it.  Of course, that only works if you format  
your WinXP partition using FAT32, leaving you with a 30 (?32) GB  
maximum partition size. Otherwise your Windows partition will not be  
visible/accessible from OSX.


Marian
On Feb 19, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

It would be nice if Boot Camp does the job, but I don't think it  
precludes the need to buy Windows; just makes everything more  
seamless.


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Re: Parallels Desktop

[Marian Petrides]

Mark

If you're going to fork over $$ to get Windows, why run it in  
Parallels. Why not just use Boot Camp?  My thinking is that I'd like  
to have a full Windows install identical (except for Mac drivers) to  
what my customers will be using, rather than testing in a virtualized  
environment.


But that's just my 2 cents worth.

Marian
On Feb 19, 2007, at 7:52 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:


Mark, I'm about to do the same and am looking at "Cross Over Mac" at:




It appears that it's still quite THERE, but I like the idea of not  
having to have Windows.


Joe Wilkins

On Feb 19, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Mark Swindell wrote:

I'm about to bite on an Intel MacBook, I think.  Anybody using  
Parallels with Rev?  Comments?  Suggestions?


Thanks
Mark
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Re: [OT] Building Mac Installers

[Marian Petrides]

I think you meant, read only, correct  Chipp?

On Jan 30, 2007, at 1:21 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


not to mention it is a write-only partition


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Re: [OT] mac help needed

[Marian Petrides]

You might be able to run the iMac's HD in Firewire target mode from  
the Powerbook, if you can connect the two via firewire. If this  
works, then the iMac will appear just like any other an external HD  
on the Powerbook.


For exact instructions, check Apple's support pages and search for  
firewire target mode.  Most Macs can do this but some cannot and, I  
think, the instructions may be slightly different depending on model.


HTH.

Marian
On Jan 22, 2007, at 4:39 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Bob,

You could install VNC on both computers. With VNC, you can display  
the screen of the iMac on the PowerBook and control it remotely, or  
work on the iMac and just show the action on the PowerBook. This is  
rather slow, however.


Best,

Mark

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Op 22-jan-2007, om 11:12 heeft [EMAIL PROTECTED] het volgende  
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I just thought of something.

Could he run it from the powerbook in classic mode via appletalk.  
I remember
years ago running apps on my powerbook that was on another  
machines HD?


Is this possible from classic to OS9.2?

More later
Bob


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Re: [ANN] The Scripter's Scrapbook at Half Price

[Marian Petrides]

My sentiments exactly.  Chalk up another order. Thanks and happy  
birthday, Hugh!


Marian
On Nov 3, 2006, at 9:01 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


Thank Hugh, I have always meant to get into using Scripter's
Scrapbook, but never got around to checking it out very much. This
offer has provided the incentive I needed to get started.

Happy birthday,
Sarah



On 11/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

--
The Scripter's  Scrapbook - Half  Price
-

(This is a  Revolution Users Only special price, valid until 13  
November

2006)

Download the starter-kit of your choice with over 200 code  
snippets  at

www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk.htm, then...

1. To pay the FULL price  use the link in the software or on the  
website.


2. To pay HALF price use  this special link that is only being  
sent to this

list...
http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk/halfpriceoffer.htm

The  link will disappear after this date so you have 10 days to  
make the

right  decision!

Why the special offer? Well, it's the author's 50th birthday on   
that date

and he wants to celebrate the occasion  :-))


What is The Scripter's Scrapbook?
"For Windows and Mac OSX, The  Scripter's Scrapbook from Flexible  
Learning is
a fully-featured cross-platform  personal reference library,  
source code
repository and information organizer  that integrates the  
convenience of the
desktop with the resources of the web.  Suitable for all  
programmers, web authors
and software writers, from novice to  professional, and especially  
for those
who use more than one software language.  It is unique in its  
flexibility to
define and display the platforms, categories  and languages for  
any snippet or
library of code, web hyperlink, article,  tutorial, local or  
networked document,

or embedded file so you can structure,  link, present and access your
information as best suits you. Records can be  searched, selected  
and displayed
either full page or with any of three index  types (alphabetical,  
history and
hierarchical tree). It includes customizable  code colorization,  
import and export

options, compressed backups, presentation  toolkit with images and
annotations, as well as an API for extensions, add-ons,  plugins  
and IAC for
inter-application communications. Includes integrated Online   
updater."



Hugh Senior
The Flexible Learning Company
Home of The Scripter's Scrapbook

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Re: RevCon Malta now...

[Marian Petrides]

Have fun, Andre!  Me, I'm stuck at work with my nose to the grindstone.

On Nov 1, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:


Friends,

I am here on Niterói, BRASIL locking my bags and leaving for the  
airports. Today I leave for the Maltese conference, hope to meet  
many friends there. Any one going thru paris -> milano -> malta may  
add me on iChat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and maybe we'll all get togheter  
in the planes! :D


Cheers and power to the developer
Andre

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Re: Date and Time Manipulation

[Marian Petrides]

Thanks!
On Oct 28, 2006, at 6:59 PM, Marielle Lange wrote:

While we are on the topic of dates, I've been thinking about  
creating a "countdown" calendar, clocking the number of days  
remaining between today's date and some future date (March 31,  
20010 specifically).  Any tips on how I can do this?  Do I have to  
convert dates into seconds in order to subtract one from the  
other?  Thanks.



Hi Marian,

In case this helps, I wrote a minimalist countdown utility for  
christmas last year:

http://revolution.widged.com/stacks/?category=widgets_ecards
Christmas Countdown

You will also find below various date manipulation functions. They  
were written rapidly and haven't been extensively tested. You are  
very welcome to improve them.
That library can be found at ,  
along with other code and libraries.


Other websites with useful codes are listed at:


There are some time related tutorials at So smarts Software, for  
instance ()


Marielle


/* 
|
|   Date Processing Routines
|
|   @Author: Marielle  Lange
|   @Company: Widged.com (http://widged.com)
|   @Date:10 Apr 2006
|   @Version:0.1
|   @Changes since last version:  N/A
|   @License:   Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License   
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/

|   @Dependency:-
*/

on DiffBetweenDates
  put field "DateFrom" into tDateFrom
  put field "DateTo" into tDateTo
  convert tDateFrom from system date to dateItems
  convert tDateTo from system date to dateItems
  put NbYearsBetweenTwoDates(tDateFrom,tDateTo) into field "NbYears"
  put NbMonthsBetweenTwoDates(tDateFrom,tDateTo) into field "NbMonths"
  put NbWeeksBetweenTwoDates(tDateFrom,tDateTo) into field "NbWeeks"
  put NbDaysBetweenTwoDates(tDateFrom,tDateTo) into field "NbDays"
end DiffBetweenDates


--
--  WeekdayFirstOfMonth (function)
--
--
--
function WeekdayFirstOfMonth pYear, pMonth
  --- First of Month
  put pMonth & "/1/" & pYear into tDate
  convert tDate to dateItems
  return item 7 of tDate
end WeekdayFirstOfMonth

--
-- NbDaysInMonth (function)
--
--
--
function NbDaysInMonth pYear, pMonth
  put (pMonth & "/1/" & pYear) into tDate
  convert tDate from date to dateItems
  put 0 into item 3 of tDate
  add 1 to item 2 of tDate
  convert tDate from dateItems to dateItems
  return (item 3 of tDate)
end NbDaysInMonth


--
-- NbDaysBetweenTwoDates (function)
--
-- pStart and pEnd are in dateItems format
--
function NbDaysBetweenTwoDates pStart, pEnd
  put NbMonthsBetweenTwoDates(pStart, pEnd) into tMonthsDiff
  put (item 1 of pStart) into tStartYear
  put (item 2 of pStart) into tStartMonth
  repeat with x = 1 to tMonthsDiff
if x = 1 then
  put tStartMonth into tMonth
  put tStartYear into tYear
  put empty into tDaysPerMonth
  -- put empty into message
end if
if tMonth > 12 then
  put 1 into tMonth
  add 1 to tYear
end if
put NbDaysInMonth(tYear,tMonth) into item x of tDaysPerMonth
add 1 to tMonth
  end repeat
  put sum(tDaysPerMonth) into tNbDays
  return (tNbDays - (item 3 of pStart) + (item 3 of pEnd))
end NbDaysBetweenTwoDates

--
-- NbWeeksBetweenTwoDates (function)
--
-- pStart and pEnd are in dateItems format
--
function NbWeeksBetweenTwoDates pStart, pEnd
  put NbDaysBetweenTwoDates(pStart, pEnd) into tNbDays
  return trunc(tNbDays/7)
end NbWeeksBetweenTwoDates


--
-- NbMonthsBetweenTwoDates (function)
--
-- pStart and pEnd are in dateItems format
--
function NbMonthsBetweenTwoDates pStart, pEnd
  - Nb of Years, Months, weeks -
  put NbYearsBetweenTwoDates(pStart, pEnd) into tNbYears
  put ((item 2 of pEnd) - (item 2 of pStart))  into tNbMonthsDiff
  - Handle cases were from 08/2005 to 06/2006 -
  if tNbMonths < 0 then
add 12 to tNbMonthsDiff
add -1 to tNbYears
  end if
  return tNbMonthsDiff+ (12 * tNbYears) e
end NbMonthsBetweenTwoDates

--
-- NbYearsBetweenTwoDates (function)
--
-- pStart and pEnd are in dateItems format
-- Return an integer, with the number of years
function NbYearsBetweenTwoDates pStart, pEnd
  return ((item 1 of pEnd) - (item 1 of pStart))
end NbYearsBetweenTwoDates


--
-- MonthsAsArray (function)
--
-- Returns an Array with the Month Names, as MonthsA
--
function MonthsAsArray
  - Create an array with the Months Names -
  put empty into MonthsA
  rep