Re:Educational uses for Rev / typing Japanese
Nicolas Cueto said,
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the corresponding result onscreen is...
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Oh well...
Watch your language! Women and children may be listening!
:-P
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Re: Disabled Button in Object Inspector - redux
Jim Carwardine said: I have a button (checkbox button) that appears disabled (grayed out) in the object inspector. I can use it so it's enable property is true What gives? Jim Jim, this has happened to me with all sorts of btns: I think the corners get bent :-P You can easily waste 2 to 5 hours trying to fix it; and it still won't look/behave correctly. My permenent solution is to create a NEW one, (DO NOT CLONE the old one!), after first noting its layer (this may or may not be important for your project). I can usually cut paste the bent btn's script into the new one. Delete the bent btn. As Sun Yet-Sen once mumbled, S*% happens! Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Application Icons in Mac classic
From: Mark Brownell [EMAIL PROTECTED] SNIP Has anyone successfully created a standalone Mac 9 app with Rev 2.2 that included an icon for the app? I used Iconographer to create recommended icons and tried to build in Rev 2.2 Mac 10 and native in an I-Mac 9.0 using Rev 2.2 Classic. In either case I can't get Rev to accept and show the icon. The standalone builder won't add it properly. Is this a known bug? Mark, I use the lazy method. 1) Copy the icon to the clipboard 2) Cmd I the in the Finder 3) select the Icon in the info window 4) Paste the clipboard Icon The bndl packages are set in the resource fork Ta da! Ray PS I reaeaaly miss the resource fork. As Jobs would say: One giant step backward for programmers... Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 7, Issue 169
Jacque said yesterday: [snip] On a Mac, however, buttons cannot receive focus and the first editable field will receive focus instead. On Macs, you have to use a hack -- either make sure none of your fields are focusable, or else hide an editable field offscreen somewhere whose layer is set to 1. Then that hidden field gets the focus and your card looks untouched. However, if you do that, the user will eventually tab into the unseen field and wonder where the focus is. This must be problem with the current version of RR. In MC, openField does not generate a dirty stack message. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re :revDocs, indexed
Great job on the indexed RevDocs. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AutoTrace?
From: Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anybody found a way to accomplish similar results to SuperCard's autotrace feature? I'm wondering if there are any 3rd party apps out there that can trace a bitmap image and output vector lines that can be read into Rev. I'm familiar with Freehand's autotrace tool, but in my experience this usually rounds out edges making for slightly distorted looking linework. Scott, I use Adobe's Streamline. Converts bitmap to EPS. From Illustrator to ClairsWorks via the clipboard for vector grafix. Really simple :-P I'm not sure whether or not Streamline will work in MOS X++ Ray Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Screen vs Page vs Card
Your vote will have little influence on my style unless you get the engine folks to get rid of full words. And, of course, if you're not really sure of the nature of the beast, you can simply: put thisData into part dataMunger ;-) Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Text issues with Mac Cube
From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a customer who's experiencing a very odd circumstance: when displaying a text file in a field, clicking in specific character offsets in the text causes several paragraphs to effectively disappear, moving the text below them up. Clicking elsewhere in the field causes the text to be redrawn normally. I've had this happen when I changed a fld's appearance from label to scrolling (Mac OS 9.2.2). It's also happened for no good reason :-P Instead of fussing over it, I delete and duplicate a good fld. (The price of a new field is pretty cheap...) Ray -- Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT two+ buck a gallon gas AAARRRGGGGHHH
On Mar 17, 2004, at 2:14 PM, Frank Leahy wrote: We moved to England from San Francisco last September and bought a Ford Galaxy, 7 seat mini-van, diesel, that gets 45 miles to the gallon, and can cruise all day at 110 mph (I've driven 100+mph from Cornwall to London several times -- try that in California without spending all day looking in your rear view mirror). (And why is it that the same car gets under 20 miles per gallon in the States?) Frank, don't you really mean 45 km/gal? And 100 km/hr? Barreling down the A4 at 100 miles per hour really boggles the mind! ;-) Richard and others: I've bitten my tongue long enough; I can't stay out of this energy debate even tho it doesn't really belong here. First, thanks for posting the google search results. Most people have little idea what the energy game is all about. I've been in the oil business for 40+ years. My background includes nuclear and geophysics. I've served as president of two medium-sized and one fairly large (2500+ employees) energy company. Currently, we are not exploring for new oil and gas in this country (too long a story to tell here) but are reviving old or abandoned pools. As you may or may not know, 70% of the oil of ALL the oil field discovered has been left in the ground. And that is a conservative estimate. That's three times the amount of oil we've consumed is still there. But that is another long saga. One of the primary reasons these so-called alternative energy aren't in use is because they are very expensive. Solar panels cost more environmentally, as well as monetarily, than digging and producing and refining oil. Oil and gas are cheap. When I started out in the oil business, crude oil was selling for $3.00 per barrel (42 US Gal.) and we were lucky to get 25 cents per thousand cubic feet (MCF) of natural gas. That was in the early '60s. Today's price of crude is less than $38 per barrel and natural gas is about $5 per thousand. Discounted to the present money value, that's about $3.50 per barrel and 50 cents per MCF and the US public is screaming for lower prices go figure. I agree, the price of crude oil is way too low. About $70 per barrel MIGHT get the SUVs parked. That would get gasoline prices up to the $5/gal the Brits and Europeans are paying now. It would also slow any growth in the world economy to a dead crawl at best. The Alternatives Are Coming The Hydrogen Economy is THE answer! Not so fast, Tonto. The hydrogen alternative doesn't begin to meet the minimum energy balance (get-more-out-than-you-put-in). The binding energy of water is three times greater than the hydrogen energy it would release.And stripping hydrogen from natural gas is throwing away at least 2/3rds of the energy of the methane molecule (aside from the fact that vehicles running on methane/propane is about as environmentally clean as it gets.) What else is there? Well, there's solar, biomass, water (dams), coal, wind, nuclear and fusion. Without all the tax gimmicks, which one holds the best promise to deliver cheap, reliable, safe energy to the moving consumer? Hint: it ain't corn which costs more to produce (environmentally and monetarily) than crude oil. It's that old, nasty energy balance thing again. Diluting gasoline with ethanol actually lowers the efficiency of the gasoline. But don't tell that to the Congresscritters from the corn belt Ss. Solar to hydrogen: http://www.usc.edu/CSSF/History/2002/Projects/J0710.pdf presents an interesting case of solar to hydrogen. Not likely but interesting. I've been looking for decades for alternatives. I'm open to new ideas. Someone once mentioned unobtainium ;-) Ray P.S. I, too, walk to work every day. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: PDF
From: Brian Yennie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ken, I believe the 4000 pixel limitation was meant as a single dimension, not the total number of pixels. So you can have 4000x4000 = 16 million pixels. Yep, my bad... I meant to say 4000 pixels per dimension. You can create a view window by creating an image part, locking the location, setting its fileName (the map pix should reside on the HD), then group the image part, and set the vScroll and hScroll of the grouped part. Use the mouseDown to determine the vertical and horizontal scrolling relative to the actual topLeft of the mapPix and topLeft of the image part to the set the scroll bars. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 6, Issue 39
From: Springer, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Rotating Graphics To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain I am trying to rotate a graphic (or image), but not around its center - I need to rotate it around and endpoint, like the end vertex of an isosceles triangle. Imagine the overhead view of a wind sock or smoke plume changing with the wind direction. I lazily solved that problem by creating an invisible mirror image (set the visible of mirrorImage to true) and then grouped the two images. The center of gravity is preserved ;-) Ray Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: PDF
From: Alejandro Tejada [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 04 Mar 2004 Ken Norris wrote: Could not open San Juan road map.pdf because this is not an Adobe PhotoShop PDF image. The people I'm doing work for don't have OSX either (Windows machines or OS9 Macs). Notice Ken, a file of this size (36 * 48 inches), will create a huge bitmap, even at 72 dpi. Surely, you will prefer to work with tiles of this map, not with an unique image. If you're going to use this mongoMap on a Mac, be aware that there is a 4000 pixel limitation. Altho Photoshop and others can display very large images, MC/Rev for the Mac cannot. Tiles would be your best bet. I had a similar problem last May. Scott wrote: We're stumped. Works fine on Win32 and on UNIX systems, including the Darwin engine. But it fails in both the PPC and Mach-O (OS X) engines. It must be a problem in the JPEG library we're using, which means it's not going to be practical for us to fix it. But I'll put upgrading that library on the to-do list for 2.5.1 and will put checking this image on the QA list for that release. Mean time, I don't have much in the way of suggestions for getting these things to display. Have you tried recompressing them with some other tool, or maybe just scaling them down? At 4795 pixels, they're pretty wide... Regards, Scott Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Printing problem
Recently, David Squance wrote: Sometimes computers drive me crazy. and Scott Rossi added: Let me be the first to welcome you to the Asylum -- I've been a resident for some time now. Enjoy your stay I must be in the West Wing... Recently, my old HP scanner sprang to life when I started an OCR... A bit surprised, because the text I was scanning was in the newer Epson 52000! Ever since the Epson was hooked up, the HP lay dormant. After wasting an hour or so, I finally determined that the Epson TWAIN had disappeared. Macs don't disappear files, everything stays where you put it... especially in MOS 9.2! I re-installed the Epson drivers and now the HP lies dormant one again... Ray PS Shouldn't the EPSON Smart Panel be nominated for the worst ported product of the year? Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Transcript handling of OR and AND expressions
From: Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is, relatively speaking at least, how all of the major programming languages work. There's even a name for it. I think it might be called something like lazy Boolean evaluation. In any case, while Jim is right that this can be an issue if you use expressions with side effects, the professional coders I've discussed this with -- and there haven't been that many -- have essentially said, Don't include expressions in Boolean logic statements if thos expressions have side effects. Rather, evaluate the expressions outside the Boolean logic statement. In other words: Cleanliness is next to buglessness. Ray Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Spooky
Revers, The internet loves me. It loves me so much that it won't let me go! Any time I go on-line, * with Netscape, * with (ugh) IE, * with Adobe/Illustrator/Pagemaker/Photoshop looking for those needed files, * with MC/Rev I must re-boot to kill the connection! I've purchased IPNetSentry --the nerdiest APP since DeBabbelizer-- it tells me it's added Trigger and that I'm connected via port 80! I've purchased internet Cleanup: it chugs along and finds no viri or worms or anything remotely sinister like spyWare I checked and rechecked all my TCP/IP settings. No changes. But when I try to disconnect from SBC DSL, I'm immediately reconnected! I'm running a spiffy G4 under the kindly eye of MOS 9.2.2. The one clue I get is Welcome, pause about 10 ticks Welcome when I first connect to SBC DSL. Is the Welcome coming from SBC or the NetScape browser? Is there a closeDammitClose socket command in Transcript? Re-booting is not that much fun, although it gives me a chance to stretch and grab another cuppa. Anyone got a suggestion? I mean, besides drinking less coffee (Peet's Mocha Java). Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:Manipulating Old Dates
Ken Norris asked: Rob, In the product I'm working on with a client right now, we keep track of birthdates. And the way we manage it is by setting the centuryCutoff to one less than the current year (so right now it's 03). This means that as long as someone is 99 years old or less, we're OK. It's not a perfect solution, but it's working so far. What do we do with _really_ old dates, like weather logs from California missions 300 years ago? Ideas? Ken N. The centuryCutoff is a real bad idea. HyperCard had it almost correct: true date up to +/- AD 32000... About a thousand cycles ago on the MetaCard list, this basic flaw in the engine was hammered around for a month or more, I believe Rob Cozen was one of the contributors. Someone came up with a Julian/Gregorian convertor: worked up to (down to?) Jan 1, 1801. I battled with it for another month or so, but it's pretty much a kudge: lookup tables for really olden times. This is not merely quirky, it's needed in lots of APPs. I have three projects going which require time spans greater than 100 years. If the filks at Apple had this solved, surely the RevTeam can do it... or this group. Let's see, there's 365.24+... days in a year ;-) Ray Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Setting the window rect and splitter loc in the Variable
From: Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] It drove me crazy that the VW window kept resetting, so I worked out this technique: open it up and set it how you would like it. Then hold down ALL the modifier keys (Shift, Control, Option Command) and click in the Variable Watcher. Do you use your elbow to hold'em down or ask the cat for help? ;-) Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windowscript
From: Stephen Quinn Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] But Compilit! - Whoa, Tom Pittman, what a genius...maybe he could make a cross platform XCMD generator that runs Transcript... Tom is out the loop. He's realy bitter about Apple and HC. He even offered CompileIt! to the hyperCard team but they snubbed him.The last time I talked with him, he said that he was finished with all xTalks. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT the spirit of Spirit
Revers, One final word on the MER Rovers: Rand Simberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] sez: I'm pretty sure that flash in this context is the same as the flash memory that stores your computer's BIOS (Basic Input-Output System--the hard-wired program that allows the computer to boot when you turn on the power), or like that used in digital cameras. Most of the time, flash memory is read-only (hence, ROM-BIOS). But when the appropriate voltages are applied to the appropriate pins, the ROM (read-only memory) becomes writeable, and a new version of the ROM code can be installed without having to swap chips. Most Intel-compatible motherboards these days have flashable ROM BIOSes, and the manufacturers will provide BIOS flash utilities and updated BIOS programs on their web sites, just like manufacturers of various peripheral devices will provide updated driver programs. It makes a great deal of sense to have most, if not all, of the rover's software in non-volatile memory of some sort (provided, of course, there isn't a critical bug buried somewhere in the code...). Yes, the Spirit was willing, but the flash was weak... Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windowscript
From: Stephen Quinn Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stephen said: With all due respect, Ray, I think you must be thinking of something else. I used Windowscript for years but it had no report generator. Windowscript was a GUI layer that ran on top of Hypercard...brilliantly I might add. Using Windowscript, Compilit, Printreport and a few others, one could make a real double clickable app completely in Hypercardyes I used Hyperbasic as well... My confusion... I used Windowscript, Compilit, and PrintReport as a unit with HC. Users never saw the HyperCard itself. PrintReport was written by John A. Nairn. I talked with John a number of times about expanding PrintReport to the PC world. He would, he said, if there was a usuable HC there to receive it. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT the spirit of Spirit
From: Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT the spirit of Spirit TD The program Maestro http://mars.telascience.org/ which allows you to TD see the data that the robots are sending back is written in Java. I TD don't know what the robot has but perhaps this is what they were TD talking about? AFAIK that's the only part of any of this that's written in java. Buggy and s-l-o-w, to boot. I believe Spirit's OS was done by Wind River Systems. On top of that, it probably running WIN 98! Or, better yet, CP/M I can't believe they'd use Java or Java script. I've seen it choke on Hello, World ;-) -- Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What is Rev doing?
Lotsa folks probably use the command-option click in their apps. I prefer to hover, myself. That way there's no conflict. How does everyone else feel about it? Command-Option Click gets my vote. I realy hate re-training my fingers to do an old (known) task... Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ReportsPro
From: Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] I feel curiosity about ReportsPro. How different is this program from the Report stack created by Scott Raney? You could download this stack from the tools.metacard.com stack within the MetaCard development environment. The Report Generator stack has a mysterious GUI and will take some studying of the code to figure out how to use it. Remember WindowScript? It was *almost* MetaCard, but a lot slower. It had an excellent report generator, altho the script was rather arcane. The creator of WS had two to four ways of doing the same task. He's (or was) the prof of a computer dept at Utah State, I think. The report generator was quasi-postscript: Very fast and reliable. Meebee he would be interested. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re:OT the spirit of Spirit
Revers, Anyone really know the OS of the Mars Rovers? The NOVA special a couple of weeks ago hinted that the command structure was in JAVA or Java script: can this be true? Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Weirdness with global variable declaration
Robert Brenstein said, I haven't tested this with the newest engine but earlier it was like Richard mentioned: globals had to be declared within a handler. There was some technical reason for that if I recall. Yes, the globala are *declared* within a handler, but setting the globals for all can set, usually at the top of the script editor, for each section (card script, background script, button script). For example: In the card script, at the top you could set: global gCatNames, gDogNames, gGreatToys on preOpenStack doTheNeatFldLocs doEmptyLitterBox -- setTheGlobals end preOpenStack on setTheGlobals put fld catNames into gCatNames put fld dogNames into gCatNames put fld greatToys into gGreatToys end setTheGlobals ... then, in the stack script (or any control script), simply start each script page with: global gCatNames, gDogNames, gGreatToys and those globals are available to all handlers on that page. This of course, works across all subStacks as well. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 4, Issue 135
Dar Scott wrote: On Tuesday, January 20, 2004, at 12:01 PM, Ray G. Miller wrote: Yes, the globala are *declared* within a handler, but setting the globals for all can set, usually at the top of the script editor, for each section (card script, background script, button script). I like the word globala! Ok, smarty pants, I forgot to double-check the spellingn ;-) Actually globala is a pretty neat word. I'm gonna try to develop a function around it... If I understand you right, this is not the way I use declare and setting. I think of this as the declaration: global aaa I think of this as the setting: on yyy put ransom into aaa -- == end yyy Depending on the circumstances this might also be the initialization. Or did I misread your point, Ray? Dar Scott (Thinking of ways to use globala in a sentence.) Yea, it's not really clear. I just put the globala at the top and set their values in a handler. I then cut and paste the top globala into any script page I need them. Ray -- Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: strange reply message
Revers, For every message I sent to the list, I get a Mailbox full. Can't deliver message! Yet all the messages are delivered. Anyone else getting this strangeness? Ray developer of the famous globala Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: function for listing all objects in a stack.
From: J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] put the number of parts in this stack into bNum This interested me because I didn't know you could do that. But when I tried, I only got the number of parts on the card. Are you able to get an accurate count of all stack controls? Since I usually script one-card stacks, I've never had a problem. It might be necessary to cycle thru the cards of a stack and check the part ID against the stuff gathered so far, and add the part if its ID is unique... Ray -- Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apologies to all
From: Sannyasin Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sannyasin said: Apologies to all for the major blooper on the auto-responder. With only 24 hours left before departure I told the sys admin to implement the auto-responder. (not worried about spam as we have a macho filter on the mail server.) So you weren't eaten by cannibals after all... ;-) Ray Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: function for listing all objects in a stack.
From: Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, It's late here 5:58 AM, i didn't sleep yet... I can't think on a way to list all objects in a stack. Actually I want to list all fields in a stack.. anyone here got a quick function for that? Hi Andre, Better hit the sack, I think your brain is trying to tell you something... ;-) Below is the script I stick in an option btn. I use it on every stack I'm building. It gives me quick access to any number of propereties... === on mouseUp put the label of me into pName ## script any if the the ShiftKey is down then set the visible of part pName to not the visible of part pName else editTheBtns pName end if end mouseUp on editTheBtns which edit the script of part which end editTheBtns on mouseEnter put into stuff put the number of parts in this stack into bNum repeat with x = 1 to bNum put the name of part (x) into temp if there is a part temp then put the visible of part temp into vizz put the rect of part temp into TL end if ## include any property you want put the name of part (x) -- \ vizz \ TL cr after stuff end repeat sort stuff -- or not put stuff into me end mouseEnter Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Metacard support
From: Alejandro Tejada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, as long as end users only design crap interface for their own IDE, it's not a too big problem (although it might affect their productivity by several orders of magnitude)... What do you think of the interfaces that Kai Krausse and his team created for their MetaCreations line of softwares? Almost as useful as the DeBablizer GUI ... ;-) Kai seemed to think he'd just invented the wheel and decided that five-sided was just hunky-dorey... Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: About object alingment in transcript...
From: Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not sure if you can get at the alignment scripts in Rev, but if not, alignment scripts are accessible in MetaCard. On a related note, I've always believed that object alignment is somewhat non-standard in Rev and MC. In most layout applications, when you align objects to the left, for example, all objects move to the extreme left of all selected objects, not the first object selected In MetaCard, your choice of the starting object determines the leftmost object, although I've noticed inconsistent behavior here. Sometimes it obeys the first to last selected rule, and sometimes it takes the layer order of the objects to much cursing on my part, I may add. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 2, Issue 121
From: J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How Rev saved Thanksgiving To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed On 11/23/03 8:31 PM, Bruce Laidlaw wrote: Interestingly, send answer GoToBed? with Yes to me in 30 seconds works, as does send answer GoToBed? with Maybe to me in 30 seconds but send answer GoToBed? with No to me in 30 seconds does not! Interesting. It must be an engine thing, because it fails in MetaCard too. Might be a Scottish thing send answer GoToBed? with Nae to me in 30 seconds really works... ;-) Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac OS X default button = 100% CPU usage
Richard opined: A logical progression of this design philosophy would be: OS X 10.4: the default button becomes an animated loop of a dancing chicken. OS X 10.5: The animation is expanded to become a really nifty five-minute gorgeously produced movie of a large predatory cat hunting and feeding its young, with voiceover by Steve Jobs. In order to make room for this expanded animation the dialog's content will be removed altogether. It'd be really funny if it weren't so close to the truth... It's probably true that Jobs never uses a computer, only looks at neato demos. maybe we could just hook him up with Carson Kressley to get him out of that frumpy jeans-and-sweatshirt look. :) But wouldn't hurt his inner icon? Our battlecry should be: Death to eye candy! Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes
From: Wilhelm Sanke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Can cards in a stack be of different sizes On Nov 2, 2003, at 11:47 AM, Russell wrote: Hello people Can cards in a stack be of different sizes Nope (snip) Alex Rice Sure, they can: Have a look at the Glossary stack. All cards have different sizes. (Gosh, Captain Marvel, are they allowed to do that?) In the preopencard handler you may find some hints: -- set the height of the card to the total needed height put the top of this stack into savedTop set the height of this window to the formattedHeight of this card set the height of graphic Border to the formattedHeight of this card set the top of graphic Border to zero set the top of this stack to savedTop Yep, you can resize each card, but it'll drive the user nuts. Test it yourself; build a stack with twenty cards with stuff on each. Test the above script for two days straight and see if YOU survive... ;-0 Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Off Topic! Auto-opening socket
From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ray G. Miller wrote: I have DSL with SBC and I always close the DSL when I go off-line. Since yesterday afternoon, something is opening a socket to my server. Every 15 minutes, a socket is opened to SBC. If you have a licensed copy of the ultra-cool FTP tool Interarchy, part of its coolness is one of its most powerful but seldom-needed features: it lets you log all Internet activity in and out of your Mac. (For the record I don't have any business relationship with Interarchy, just a deep appreciation for a solid tool sold at a good price.) Thanks Stephen Richard, I just bought the InetSentry and I also have the Interarchy app (but I've never used it.) I'll try out both to see what the name of the gremlin is called. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Off Topic! Auto-opening scocket
Revolvers, I have a poltergeist or gremlin running my Mac (MOS 9.9.2). I have DSL with SBC and I always close the DSL when I go off-line. Since yesterday afternoon, something is opening a socket to my server. Every 15 minutes, a socket is opened to SBC. At first I thought it was errant script dribbled into the stack I was working on or into the home stack. Today, I closed all apps except Launcher and Stickies and the dohicky strip at the bottom. At precisely 12:45 the socket opened. Every 15 minutes it opened again! I cleared all the cookies. I just check the cookie jar and appears normal except for a site called atwola.com Anyone got an inkling what's happening? Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Please make it plain
Thanks Graham, I was about to send my comments about html'ers. Great disclaimer, Richard! Can I use it? ;-) Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT--Who's On First/21st Century
From: Ken Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] You folks have to read this. I fell off my seat twice laughing. Gets funnier everytime I read it. Got it from the MacMin list: Abbott Costello take on the 21st century and computers. Good stuff, Ken. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Radio buttons as indicator lights
From: Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just want to zap this last effect but I don't know how to do it. If I can't find a solution, I will have to stand down the whole radio button idea and do it all by scripting - perfectly possible, but a pain. Graham, If the user has no control over the radio buttons, the user will be fustrated... It's an incorrect user interface. Change to something else. How about colored oval graphics? create an filled dark-gray oval to indicate one situation (like off) and one which is colored deep green, when a condition is met then: on chooseThisOne grafName lock screen -- the graphics are named: test.1, test.2, etc. -- without the quotes repeat with x = 1 to 5 -- the number of indicators (graphics) put test. x into grafTempName set the backGroundColor of graphic grafTempName to 100,100,100 -- gray -- or -- set the backGroundColor of graphic grafTempName to white -- white end repeat set the backGroundColor of graphic grafName to 51,102,51 -- green unlock screen end chooseThisOne This way the user is never confusing radio btns with indicators. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: visual effect between stacks
From: Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recently, Monte Goulding wrote: Is it possible to get smooth transitions and visual effects between stacks? I've been mucking around with this for a while now and it seems that lock screen just doen't work if you are opening or showing a new stack between lock and unlock. The built-in visual effects only apply to individual stacks and their contents -- there is no built-in transition that works across multiple stacks. In any event, when you say smooth it sounds as if you're using the dissolve transition or similar. Not sure if this is an option but if you're looking for something more than a simple open or go, you might consider progressively changing the rect of a newly opened stack. Or you could: lock screen put stack BB into window AA -- where AA is open unlock screen with visual iris open Of course, stack BB would need to be the same rect as stack AA, or you could adjust the size of window AA. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scrollbar oddity
Listers, Have a possible bug in the scrollbars. I have a window which displays thumbnail-sized pix-- 2 columns by 3 rows-- that is, six pictures are displayed at one time. The user can mark any pix by a checkBox under each picture. He can then switch between the main database and the marked list by flipping a toggle. The problem is than if the user selects less than 7 pix, then flips to the marked list and then back to the main list, the lineIncrement and the pageIncrement go wonkie. The scrollBar sez it's set to 5 and 76, repectively! Selecting 7 or more pix will normalize the scrollBar. Any ideas? on setTheScrollBar global gLineInc,gPageInc -- gLineInc is set elsewhere at 152 put the number of lines in fld ed.thePixDB into theNum put 6 into numOfPix ## in the display put ((theNum) + (theNum mod 2) - numOfPix) * gLineInc into theEnd if theEnd gLineInc then put gLineInc into theEnd ### less than 6 pix to show set the startValue of part thePixScroll to gLineInc set the endValue of part thePixScroll to theEnd put 2 * gLineInc into theLineInc ### to scroll properly 'cause it's 2 pix wide set the lineIncrement of part thePixScroll to theLineInc set the pageIncrement of part thePixScroll to gPageInc ## put theLineInc , gPageInc ## should be 912,304 but becomes 76,5 if number of pix 7 !! set the thumbPos of part thePixScroll to gLineInc ## set the thumb size put (gPageInc/numOfPix) + (theLineInc/4) - gLineInc into theThumSiz set the thumbSize of part thePixScroll to theThumSiz ## show how many marked record put 1 of theNum records into fld theCount scrollThisList gLineInc ### reset to top of scroll end setTheScrollBar Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: image pasting
On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 04:02 PM, Andrew wrote: I'm copying them from Claris Works I may be missing something here, but it sounds like you are making it much more complicated than it needs to be... In Claris/AppleWorks SAVE the pix as .gif or .jpg and then IMPORT that pix from MC/Rev. This has the added benefit that the pix can be opened again in Claris if editing is required Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Proposal - the use-revolution list
Sannyasin said: Second the motion to keep it as a list. We are missing one thing though: search capabilities for the past archives. Google doesn't seem to keep up with indexing the mail list archives and I really don't have time to read all these posts, but then when you need to know something chances are it has been well clarified here some time or other... I think 3 years ago Run Rev's list serve had search capabilities, but now it doesn't. So maybe there is a happy medium where the list is kept as it is but we get a more robust archive mechanism online? Or perhaps there is a way to make Google believe that Run Rev is worth indexing weekly. They index all our sites weekly... I also vote to keep the list. The list is dynamic vs. a passive message board. It becomes out of sight, out of mind. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Spell check for Rev?
I said: I get the same thing with both links on Netscape 7 (MOS 9.2) : the data downloads into an edit window with: #!/bin/sh # MetaCard 2.4 stack # The following is not ASCII text, # so now would be a good time to q out of more exec mc $0 $@ Jim counters: Try the following: Control click the link in Netscape and select Save As from the drop-down menu. HA! Never heard of control-click! That's the trouble with us MACers: we never think to use the control key, that's for PCers... ;-) As it turns out, control-click isn't even necessary. Just click and hold down until the popButton appears; the choose. Ray Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1683 - 16 msgs
Dr Raney said: Um, I was hoping that a mailing list would get set up and some serious discussion would occur about how the maintenance organization should be structured. But even the first step of that seems to have fizzled... Regards, Scott OK, Lets set it up on the MetaCard list. Richard Gaskin, Scott Rossi ? For starters, I think the design by Scott Rossi is an excellent beginning point... Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Filtering Strange characters in text
From: Stephen Quinn Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can make this work in TexEdit - it can replace the offending character with spaces like I need. But not the Replace command in Rev. here's my usage: put Replace(ñ, ,theBlock) into theBlock this doesn't work either... put Replace(numToChar(230), ,theBlock) into theBlock Try this: put numToChar(230) into strangeText replace strangeText with in theBlock The replace command in MC is verrry fast. Ray Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Spell check for Rev?
From: David Kwinter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 7/27/03 9:26 AM, Jim Hurley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I translate this Explorer page into a RR file, or even the script as a text file? I have a Jumble fan who would love this. Explorer on the Mac right, love the M$ Mac treatment here. I made page with a link: http://www.kwinter.ca/wordman.html I get the same thing with both links on Netscape 7 (MOS 9.2) : the data downloads into an edit window with: #!/bin/sh # MetaCard 2.4 stack # The following is not ASCII text, # so now would be a good time to q out of more exec mc $0 $@ Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Universal GUI
From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From one of the designers of Mac OS 1.0: Trends: The Evolution of the Interface http://www.asktog.com/columns/038MacUITrends.html OS X: A First Look http://www.asktog.com/columns/034OSX-FirstLook.html Top 10 Reasons the Apple Dock Sucks http://www.asktog.com/columns/044top10docksucks.html The Tog (Bruce Tognazzini) has a way of cutting the BS out of the PR... ;-) He ends with: Keeping It Simple Some wonder if the age of simplicity has passed Apple by. How can an OS as powerful as X possibly regain the sleek elegance of the Apple of old (no matter how flashy the demos)? The simple truth is that an interface is only as sleek as its OS is powerful. The Palm Pilot works because the interface with its relatively limited universe of functionality sits on a computer with significantly more power and storage than even the original Mac. OS X has the horsepower to command and control a far larger universe of activities than we have ever seen on personal computers. Does Apple still have the talent and the drive to achieve that ultimate simplicity? Will it go down the garden path trod by Microsoft, Sun, and others, building tractors for the masses? Or will OS X live up to its demos and mature into a slippery new sports car? Whether we end up with a Caterpillar or a Porsche, the next year should be an exciting ride. He's the Dr. Phil of the Mac World. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Universal GUI
From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] For example, Photoshop (and sadly, most other programs since) have decided that having every possible feature in front of the user is a good thing, but the resulting migration from to dialogs to palettes has not reduced the number of steps needed to perform most tasks, in some cases making tasks harder because of the smaller target area of palette controls and the lack of a universal way to shift keyboard focus from the document window to a palette. Moreover, reliance on palettes often results in a lot of visual noise and consumes precious screen real estate that distracts from the user's document. Good illustration, Richard. Photoshop, Illustrator and Pagemaker, to a lesser extent, are evolving into mind-numbing tools: where-the-hell-are-they-hiding-it-now! I think Photoshop 3.0 was their best design to date. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Universal GUI (was Re: HIG...)
From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] So maybe we developers could turn the tables: rather than enslaving ourselves to sometimes arbitrary specifications, we take it upon ourselves to make one recommendation for a Universal GUI. One could rightly argue that a Universal GUI could lead to a lowest common denominator GUI. We'd have to be watchful of that, but at the same time the sum of common elements is not bad, and in its simplicity there may be great value. We could still keep unique appearances, since each OS provides a heathly set of hooks for rendering controls. But there's no reason layouts, behavior, and nomenclature couldn't be made consistent, with the option supported by the strongest research setting the standard others would be asked to comply with. I realize it would be an uphill battle and likely without victory. Worth pursuing, or better off left as a thought experiment? ;) A very worthy goal, Richard, but it sounds like a full-time job for a team... Are you willing to head it up? :-/ Apple's not-so-recent turn to the eye-candy design left me cold. It may be neato in the gaming world, but IMHO, it gets in the way. Not very classy. (It reminds me of a 13-year-old girl trying ALL her mother's makeup at the same time.) For starters, we could use the HIG that really worked: The original Apple HIG. I don't mean going back to black and white controls and windows. 3-D buttons are OK as long as they don't swell to three-times their original size and pulsate, all the while screaming CLICK ME! CLICK ME. For a really good example of terrible user interface design check out the free software that came with an Epson color printer. It's called EPSON Smart Panel. You must be reeeaaally smart to use it. It's even worse than the infamous DeBabelizer. If it's typical PC-ware, then I feel it's time to bring the PC world into the kinder, gentler world of the classic Mac... ;-0 Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HIG (How to make an Unclickable Check Box)
From: curry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pardon the intrusion, but it may be worth noting that an unclickable checkbox is a violation of Apple's Human Interface Guidelines and of general UI design rules about user expectations. I'd respectfully suggest some other way of indicating the user's connected state than a checkbox he can't click on or change. I guarantee you'll have frustrated and confused users. snip However, about Apple--I can no longer consider them to be the ultimate example of good interface, as they were before. Agreed, Curry, but what other consistent Guidelines are there? Micro$lot? ;-) the last time they had a great design was Excel 4.0. I'm currently running NetScape 7.+ browser. It looks like it was designed but a gang of 14-year-old kids. Bizarre interface, non-intuitive operation. Tabs, sliders and what-nots all over the place... It's worth every cent I paid for it: $0.00. The real beauty and strength of Apple was the GUI. Companies that followed the Apple HIGs gained a loyal following because the learning curve was tiny from App to App. They respected the users' time and the money spent. I probably own everything produced by Adobe. I think we've had enough of the good-enough design attitude. More time and thought put into the HIG will reduce the coding and de-bug time. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What Gives?
Simtech Publications wrote: I'm just getting back to Rev after a long absence, having fooled around too long with Director MX for Mac OS X. Too bad Macromedia has turned it's back on Mac users with that stinking lousy piece of beta software. Anyway, I'm now running Rev 2.0.1 under OS X v10.2.6 and it's acting extremely flakey (Rev not Jaguar). I mean EXTREMELY flakey. At first I thought the problems were caused by having imported older Rev 1.1.1 stacks into Rev 2.0.1 so I spent all day reconstructing one particular stack. I'm finding that I can't use any keyboard shortcuts at all. None. Can't navigate from the keyboard, can't save the stack from the keyboard, can't toggle the message box. Nothing. Nada. This is extremely frustrating. I thought it might be my machine at work (an older slot loading 300 mHz G3 iMac) so I brought the stack home and the same problems occurred on my brand new 1 GHz G4 iMac. I tried both the PPC and OS X versions of Rev 2.0.1 with the same results. Do you have a commandKey handler? Could be that handler is trapping all your keyboard commands. Be sure to select an edit tool (not the browser) to switch between edit and run mode. Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scrolling Image-window
From: R. Hillen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have some very large Images (4000x4000 pix) (maps of noise in Germany), which I want to show without scaling in a scrolling window with size 200 x 200 pix or so. How to add scrollbars to an Imageobject? What is the solution? Thanx in advance The solution for attaching scrollbars will work, BUT not on images 4000x4000. I had a similar problem in MetaCard a couple of weeks ago. MC/Rev tends to choke on these really big pix. Here's what Scott had to say: I asked: The balky photos all opened in Photoshop, Quicktime, PhotoImpression, or Appleworks. The attached folder contains one of the balky pix. Any ideas? We're stumped. Works fine on Win32 and on UNIX systems, including the Darwin engine. But it fails in both the PPC and Mach-O (OS X) engines. It must be a problem in the JPEG library we're using, which means it's not going to be practical for us to fix it. But I'll put upgrading that library on the to-do list for 2.5.1 and will put checking this image on the QA list for that release. Mean time, I don't have much in the way of suggestions for getting these things to display. Have you tried recompressing them with some other tool, or maybe just scaling them down? At 4795 pixels, they're pretty wide... Regards, Scott Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
