Re: [OT-Rodeo] Still waiting for the aha moment
Jerry, Are there sample Rodeo apps posted on the web as pages that can be viewed with a webkit browser? Links? Thanks. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
HyperCard was huge in its day, Jobs said
Blog report on interview of Steve Jobs at D: All Things Digital, June 1, 2010 http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20006442-56.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 at 6:31 in blog: HyperCard was huge in its day, Jobs said.. Jobs suggests it was bigger than Flash. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revWeb - revlet - examples please
Robert Mann wrote: nice initiative! I really wonder how large is revTalk community... Anyway good opportunity to be able to test what actually work and what does not. 1) audio on revlet seems to be problematic : # RGB Music RENGAhttp://www.kenjikojima.com/rgbmusicrenga/ by Kenji Kojima : no sound (macBook mac os x 10.5 / on safari and firefox) Click on the image on the right side of the link above - or go directly to http://www.kenjikojima.com/999ViewsRenga/index.html and click Allow Once in the security notice. Then, on the lower right of the window, there is set of Play, Pause, Stop buttons - click the Play button - I hear music on Mac on Firefox OK. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revWeb - revlet - examples please
Thank you Pierre - I've added your link to my list. Pierre Sahores wrote: Here is one more, a simple secret sentence game. The revlet is getting its contents from an on-rev mysql db. http://www.wrds.com/phrase-secrete.html Best, Pierre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revWeb - revlet - examples please
A few days ago I asked for links to web pages with revlets - here is my list so far: # Link 4 Game http://www.gemetest.ihouse.on-rev.com/ by John Dixon # Guess game http://jacque.on-rev.com/guess/guess.irev by Jacqueline Landman Gay # Chance lab and physics impulse lab http://gcb.luceatlux.com/teachablemoments/teachablemoments.irev by George Brackett # Color puzzle http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/colorpuzzle/ by Bernd Niggemann # K12 educational example http://jperryl.ecs.fullerton.edu/Rev/Plurals.html by Judy Perry # Language and History http://lkirkhagen.com/portfolio.htm educational revlets by L. Kirk Hagen # RGB Music RENGA http://www.kenjikojima.com/rgbmusicrenga/ by Kenji Kojima # University staff database http://mobile.kangaroo.on-rev.com/ by Rolf Kocherhans, - click allow once to allow network communication to database, then revlet opens as iPhone emulator, click on slider button (don't drag), type rolf without return, etc. # Developer's examples http://www.troz.net/rev/index.irev?category=Revlets#stacks by Sarah Reichelt # Chemical reactors http://simzlab.com/revlets/ by Rich Herz Thanks to everyone who sent their own links, or recommendations. One thing I learned is that my graphics aren't up to par - the others are beautiful! The speed at which graphics are updated in a revlet, as displayed in a browser, is slower than in a desktop app, not surprisingly. But that is the only limitation I have encountered so far in converting stacks to revlets, and that may only affect a relatively large number of objects updating rapidly. I hope that the number of web pages with revlets grows fast. Revlets seem to have a lot of potential. Rich Herz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revWeb - revlet - examples please
Do you have web pages with revlets? I would appreciate receiving a link to your site. I plan to present a talk about making interactive simulations with revMedia at an on-line learning conference in July. My revlets are math-oriented. I would like to provide links, with attribution, to revlets that also demonstrate graphics, multimedia, database use, etc. So far, I know of Sarah's page and that of Kirk Hagen. Thanks! Rich Herz --- Sarah's revlets http://www.troz.net/rev/index.irev?category=Revlets#stacks Kirk Hagen's revlets http://lkirkhagen.com/portfolio.htm My revlets www.simzlab.com/revlets Link to talk abstract: http://www.sloanconsortium.org/et4online/you-can-build-interactive-web-simulations-yourself ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re; Custom Widget Technique Question
Len Morgan wrote: I'm working on a new project and I'd like some advice on how to create controls to use on a graphical process display. This will display a water pipeline system with all it's tanks, pipe, valves, ... Len, In addition to the comments by Richard Gaskin and Roger Guay, there is a stack by Glenn Fisher - Flow Analysis - posted on RevOnline that you should check out, if you haven't already. You might also be interested in my stack Dynamic Simulation v.2 and stacks by Roger Guay, also at RevOnline. I am also interested in simulation of pipelines and other flow systems, and have a simulator under development. Download the app at www.SimzLab.com - open SimzLab and go to course PureWaterLab, Division D3, Lab L2, then click the Simulations button. See the unit palette on the right side - these are groups which can be added to the flowsheet, where the script copies the group in the palette to the flowsheet. This was developed before Rev 3.5 behaviors, so the scripts are in library stacks. Please keep us informed of your developments in this area. Rich Herz h...@ucsd.edu ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev presentation tool - PowerPoint alternative?
Need: A way to show presentation slides in one window along with a Rev stack or other media in another window. The problem with PowerPoint is that it takes over the entire screen during a slide show, and switching to another window, e.g., with Mac Spaces, is distracting. One solution is to write your slides in a Rev stack. But to get the formatting options of PowerPoint or Keynote, I also had success with this: - create slide show in PowerPoint or Keynote - capture slides to JPG images - create a Rev stack and import images - set image geometry so image scales as card is resized JPG's appear to rescale without messing up text edges much. GIF's from PowerPoint's Save as Web Page did not rescale well. To capture to jpg, I viewed each slide full size (in PowerPoint, menu View Slide), captured with Mac Grab to tiff, then resaved as jpg. Rich Herz www.SimzLab.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev presentation tool - PowerPoint alternative?
Is there a good Rev alternative to PowerPoint? I just attended a conference sponsored by the American Society for Engineering Education. Most talks said that traditional lectures are not effective and we need new methods. But almost all speakers gave that message in traditional lecture format using PowerPoint! In my talk I wanted to show interactive software built with Rev. Waiting until the very last minute, I didn't have time to make slides in a Rev stack, so I used PowerPoint. The biggest problem is that PowerPoint takes over the entire screen. It's hard to go back and forth to a Rev stack without distraction. I ended up saving the PowerPoint as web pages, then using Full Screen Slide Show option which puts slides (as gifs) in a popup window that can be resized smaller to allow access to the Rev stack with both windows for the slides and stack on screen at same time. Would be nice to have a Rev alternative that can do things like resize text to match screen size, allow full or partial screen mode, etc. Rich Herz www.SimzLab.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Calculating Numbers
Scott, See stack ease255 on RevOnline under user ReactorLab - a variation of the old ease in stack for graphics. Rich ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Parallels Desktop
For the week I've been running Windows XP on an Intel MacBook with the *free* beta of VMware's Fusion virtualization product. Works well so far. http://www.vmware.com/products/beta/fusion/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Simple Computer Simulator, Anyone??
Judy, Intel has web pages which may be of interest, although I haven't seen a simulator there: http://www.intel.com/museum/onlineexhibits.htm See for example, see page 3 of 7 of How Microprocessors Work: http://www.intel.com/education/mpworks/step1.htm Depending on how simple-minded you want to get, you might check out the animations in my program TB Ref http://maeresearch.ucsd.edu/herz/basicRef/ See Category Assignment, Topic sample programs # assign. Also see, Category Arrays, Topic sample program # sort, a screen shot of which is shown on the web page. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] snowflakes for the season
Check out http://snowflakes.lookandfeel.com/ Click Make your own snowflake. Clever. Might give someone ideas for a Rev game. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Making the move...
I had the pleasure of serving tiramisu A gracious host, Richard G. is! Thanks for your full meal of a post as well as your deserts. Rich ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2.6.1 very slow on Win XP?
Kurt Kaufman wrote: Rev. 2.6.1 is *very* slow to startup on my 2 gHz Win XP box (at the point at which menus and plugins are loaded it appears to all but hang). One change between 2.6 and 2.6.1 is that QuickTime is loaded during startup of 2.6.1 rather than on first switch from select to browse tool in 2.6. Rev 2.6.1 opens fast on my two Win XP machines. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Looking for a cheap web hosting ISP
andre wrote: I use JaguarPC.net and never had any problem. It's cheap, fast, their support crew is fantastic and I am running Rev fine. I also use www.jaguarpc.com and have done Rev CGI on it with no problem. Some history - I started using www.aletiahosting.com just because the MetaCard web site was on it at some point, then jaguarpc bought aletiahosting. Scott Raney made some recommendations concerning ISPs on the MC email list, including having your domain name registered at a different company than your web site host - he had some problems once. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Windows Command Code Resolved
Something to be wary of... If the file path to your document contains spaces, it might confuse the start command. Also see the entries under Command Line/Shell Info at http://www.sonsothunder.com/index2.htm?http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm?_dply001 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Greek text in Rev fields under Linux
Dar wrote: Try a simple test like this (with or without setting the font): on mouseUp set the useUnicode to true set the unicodeText of field field to numToChar(0x222A) end mouseUp You should get a union symbol. Didn't work. Got a dashed box in the field. Thanks. Rich ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Greek text in Rev fields under Linux
For scientific notation, I need to display Greek text characters in Rev fields in Linux using a font in a standard Linux distribution. On Win and Mac, one simply uses Symbol font in a Rev field. This doesn't display properly in Rev under Linux (Redhat Core distribution). The Rev docs suggest this involves using UTF-16 unicode font. The standard fonts on Linux appear to be UTF-8 and my experiments have been unsuccessful. Does anyone have a stack with a field which displays Greek text on Linux they can share? Thanks Rich ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Suggestions?
Richard Miller asked: I've got a dedicated Mac server available, on which I want to place a Rev application to gather and disseminate the required information. The first 100 computers will continually inform that central application of their status, and the other 100 will continually ask this application for the status of the first 100 users. I suggest having a Rev stack running permanently on the server that communicates with clients using TCP/IP sockets. This should work since the data sent in each of your messages is small (socket messages are around 1400 KB max). For example scripts see the Rev site Video Tutorials Sample Projects Internet Chat (also the chatRev examples in Rev Online, User Spaces, General). The alternative of sending posts to a Rev CGI causes an instance of Rev to open for each post, as I understand things, so would seem to be more resource intensive. Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Math wizardry
Richard Miller asked: I've got two line graphics drawn on the screen. I need to find out if they intersect and, if so, what the angle is that is formed by their intersection. Any simple way to do this? See, e.g., http://www.ugrad.math.ubc.ca/coursedoc/math100/notes/zoo/eqline.html for each line defined by endpoints x1,y1 and x2,y2 st line equation y = m*x + b (m = slope, b = y intercept at x = 0) m = (y2 - y1)/(x2 - x1) = slope of line b = y1 - m*x1 = intersection of line with y axis at x = 0 for two lines, get m1 and m2, b1 and b2 Any two nonparallel lines (m1 not m2) intersect find x such that y's are equal m1*x + b1 = m2*x + b2 x = (b2 - b1)/(m1 - m2) = x at intersection y at intersection = m1*x + b1 = m2*x + b2 slope m1 = tangent of angle A1 between line 1 and x-axis angle A1 = inverse tangent(m1) = atan(m1) in Rev angle A2 = inverse tangent(m2) see http://www.mathwords.com/t/tangent_inverse.htm A2 - A1 = one pair of the two pairs of angles formed by the intersection of two straight lines, with the other pair being pi radians (180 degrees) minus this angle Note that Rev and most other languages refer to angles in radians rather than degrees in their trig functions. Of course, work out a few examples and graph them to double-check this and to understand the angle values returned. Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
how to download and install externals
At http://reactorlab.net/intro/externals.html are brief instructions for downloading externals from a server and using them on a client in a Rev application. The instructions are trivial for Windows but nontrivial for Mac OS X. In my application, I wanted a client Rev app without the revxml external to be able to download and use stacks which require the revxml external. The instructions should apply to other externals. Rich Herz ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New RunRev site...
The pages at the new site load slowly here (fast connection at university in western US on 2.2GHz PC). Maybe it's slow because we are all hitting the site today or, hopefully, all the new customers are hitting it... Also would expect rollover effects on the main navigation links but don't see them. Rich Herz ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is Rev too Mac focused?
Chipp wrote: Also, as you recall at the Rev Summit in CA, Chris Bohnert demonstrated how easy it is to create an external for RR. One which can call a Win32API if needed. So, it seems to me, an interim step would be a really good primer for creating externals for RR. 'Cause even with a An externals primer would be a great contribution! Rich ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Program Testing and Persistent Properties - Thread Conclusion
Bob Warren wrote: Some days ago I published a worst case scenario account of what it might be like for a VB programmer to make the switch to the Rev IDE and the confusions he might encounter when presuming that the setup of distinct project design /project testing existed as he had been used to. For those of you who might have missed the thread, the original illustrated story of the VB programmer's demise is at http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/article.htm . A small aspect of this is related to the design of the tools palette. I suggest that better graphics be added to show that the browse and pointer (edit) tool buttons toggle each other. The current design in 2.5b1 of making the selected button's arrow icon black is bad since the selected cursor icon doesn't look like the active cursor!. In addition, there should be a stronger graphical connection between the pointer tool and the control selection buttons below on the tools palette. Perhaps the browse and pointer buttons should be over/under each other, with the browse button on top and the pointer on bottom next to the control selection buttons - or have some other graphical feature connecting the pointer button to the control buttons. Perhaps the control selection buttons should dim when the browse tool is selected. Rich ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Performance Testing of Rev CGI?
Dan Shafer asked: Are there any other limitations of using Rev engines as CGI environments that you've encountered that i should know about? In a bubbling first attempt at doing chat, I used posts to Rev CGI on a shared Linux server at a commercial web host. It worked well but the host shut it down because of too big a load on the server. My understanding is that each CGI post starts up a new instance of the Rev engine, producing the excessive load in my case. It seems that Rev CGI on a shared server is good for things that don't produce a lot of simultaneous posts, like web forms. It appears the way to do chat is to open one Rev CGI engine instance which runs continuously and communicates with multiple clients over sockets, though I haven't tested it with a a lot of users yet. Rich Herz ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating bulletin boards, chat rooms...
My second version of a Rev chat/message board uses multiple socket connections to a single Rev engine/server stack instance. It was developed starting with Tuviah's SimpleChat, the very first (at the very bottom) contribution on Rev's web site user contributions page. The first client connecting, when it finds it can't establish a socket, sends a cgi post to the server which starts the Rev engine/server stack which then starts accepting sockets. The server stack shuts down when there is no activity. On a dedicated server, you could leave it running. When a client first connects, the Rev server stack sends it a portion of the log file. When a client sends a message, the server stack appends it the the log file, broadcasts it to all connected clients, and also broadcasts a separate status message with the number of current connections for display at the client stacks. My first version worked well but my web host shut it down. It relied solely on individual cgi posts for all communications (hey, I'm an amateur at this) and my web host said all the Rev engine instances starting up was too big a load on the shared web server. Rich Herz ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Web design software
Richard Gaskin wrote: Since you'll have to deliver a player app for users to run them, why not save them the extra step of using a Web browser and build a directory right into your app which can download and run your stack files? Jim Hurley replied: My thought was to simply create a standalone consisting of the entire stack (it won't be large) and store that on a web site with the url to be cited in the book. From my own experience, I recommend Richard's approach - something similar to his RevNet. This will give you a way to get corrected or revised stacks to users easily, as well as new stacks you think up later. A user can download your existing standalone set of stacks in a single archive file. Then, when a web connection is available, the standalone can check for updates. My approach is described at http://reactorlab.net/intro/InternetApp.html . Rich Herz ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is Transcript's English orientation a plus or minus?
Kevin wrote, The syntax is neither amateurish, nor only for beginners. The... We're not about to spend time making our virtually self-commenting code... Hurray! Rich Herz Mechanical Aerospace Engineering Dept. University of California, San Diego ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Dan Shafer's comments on positioning...
Dan Shafer wrote: That said, I also tired quickly as I did that study for Intel of educational institutions and educators who (not universally but often enough to come to my attention): (a) demanded free or low-cost stuff even though they recommend textbooks that cost hundreds of dollars, some of which the recommending profs wrote; (b) garnered substantial I'll speak here about getting profs to use software in regular non-programming courses. Even today there's a big hurdle to get profs to use software in courses. It's easy for a prof to fill out the textbook order form the bookstore sends over each term, let students provide all money involved, then assign them to work the odd-numbered problems at the end of chapters. It takes a lot more energy, and is something many profs don't know how to start doing, to get software budgeted and licensed, installed in a lab, and then tested to make sure everything works. Rich Herz ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Sculley on lost opportunity with HyperCard
Interesting comment from John Scully on lost opportunity with HyperCard at http://news.com.com/2008-7351-5085423.html?tag=nefd_gutspro Interview with John Sculley, former CEO of Apple Computer, October 2, 2003, 4:00 AM PDT, By Dawn Kawamoto, Staff Writer, CNET News.com Any missed opportunities that you wish you could do over? As I look back on things that I wished we would have done differently when I was at Apple, I think one of the biggest missed opportunities, and it was on my watch, so I feel responsible and disappointed that we didn't do more with it, was Hypercard. It was created back in 1987 by Bill Atkinson, Apple's first software programmer. We could never figure out exactly what it was... We weren't insightful enough to recognize that what we had inside of Hypercard, essentially, was everything that later was developed so successfully by Tim Berners-Lee with HTTP (Hypertext Transfer Protocol) and HTML (Hypertext Markup Language)... ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Way to cache stacks from web and update when changes?
Rob Gould wrote: I'm trying to figure out a way to write an app that automatically updates itself from the web when it determines that a stack on the web-site changes. Has anyone done this before? I do something related in the new net version at www.reactorlab.net. The approach is described at http://reactorlab.net/intro/tools.htm (link Building a Rich Client or Internet App in Revolution). Version info is kept in text files on the server and client, rather than using a script to get file info automatically. Disadvantage is that you have to hand-edit list on server when a new stack is posted, advantage is that you can keep drafts or backup stacks in the directories and not have them presented to client. Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dragging a line between points
T. R. Ponn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been fiddling with this all afternoon...and I have to be missing something obvious. How do I click on one button (representing a Pin on a connector) and have a straight line follow the mouse until I click Well, I didn't exactly as you asked but this should get you started (irritating technique I use on my students ;-) Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] # script of stack with a graphic Pin 1 global gWireEnds, gDrawWire, gWires on mouseDown if the mouseLoc is within the rect of graphic Pin 1 then put the mouseLoc into gWireEnds set the style of the templateGraphic to line # increment wire count if gWires is not a number then put 1 into gWires else add 1 to gWires end if put wire gWires into tWire create graphic tWire put true into gDrawWire end if end mouseDown on mouseRelease # use mouseRelease since mouse may go up outside graphic if gDrawWire is true then put false into gDrawWire # create a new pin end if end mouseRelease on mouseMove if gDrawWire is true then put the mouseLoc into line 2 of gWireEnds put wire gWires into tWire set the points of graphic tWire to gWireEnds end if end mouseMove ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: double-clicking stack on desktop
Thanks to Jackie and others for suggestion to change double-clicking stack on desktop behavior of Rev stacks to that of MetaCard by renaming application file. Here's the details, at least on Windows OS: I have many personal stacks (calendar, database, address) that I, or family, normally just want to double-click and use rather than edit. In MC, double-clicking a stack on the desktop opens the stack in Player, and ctrl-double-click opens stack in Development - opposite behavior to Rev. MC behavior is preferrable for these personal stacks you want to simply use most of the time. Would be nice if Rev had an option in Preferences for double-click behavior. Here's fix, at least for Windows OS: In Revolution distribution folder, copy Revolution.exe to a new file whose name doesn't start with rev, e.g., Copy of Revolution.exe or mc.exe or mcrev.exe (but not revmc.exe). In Windows Folder Options (file types) control panel, create a new file type for personal stacks, e.g., RV (.rv extension) and then click Advanced button to specify they are to be opened by the renamed copy of Revolution.exe in Revolution distribution folder. Now, double-clicking an .rv stack on the desktop opens the stack in Player mode (with MC hand cursor and default font size but with Rev title-bar icon). Ctrl-double-click opens file in licensed MC Development if you have a licensed MC home stack somewhere on disk, or opens file in Starter Kit MC Development if you have an unlicensed MC home stack somewhere, or opens file in Player if there is no MC home stack on disk. Change extension of .rv file to .rev to edit file in Rev Development, then change it back to .rv to open in Player with double-click. Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reactorlab.net ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
double-clicking stack on desktop
OK, starting to convert from using MC to Rev... In MC, double-clicking a file on the desktop opens the file in Player environment; command-double-click opens stack in Development. The reverse is true in Rev. I prefer MC's way for personal stacks (calendar, addresses, etc.) used by myself and family - who definitely don't expect to see the Development stacks open (and will refuse to remember to hold command key down!) Is there a way to change this behavior in Rev to the way it works in MC? My current fix is to hide the development stacks in openStack of the douible-clicked stack. Thanks Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reactorlab.net ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
MC hand when command-double-clicking stack
When command-double-clicking a Rev stack on the desktop to open the stack in Player environment, the hand cursor that appears (here at least) is MetaCard's, not Rev's, and the font size in the answer stack is the larger MC default size, not the smaller Rev size. Apparently the Rev cursor and default font sizes get applied to Player environment during the standalone build process at some point. Does anyone have an explanation of what is going on? Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reactorlab.net ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: safe shell command
On Friday, February 21, 2003 9:51 AM, Alex Rice wrote: On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 11:18 PM, Richard K. Herz wrote: My understanding is that you need to get the path to the directory where your exe is, e.g., from parsing get the long name of this stack, and then have the shell cd to that directory before running the exe. This is what the script I sent does. The path to the directory the exe is in gMyappPath originally. I'm probably missing something, but I don't think that is necessary. shell() runs from the defaultFolder, and the only time the defaultFolder is not equal to the path of the main stack, is when you running in development platform, and in that case you can just fix up the defaultFolder property. So you don't need to cd to a path to execute a shell command, unless the command is actually located in an entirely different directory. Testing now with MC on Win XP, it does look like the cmd.exe shell's default directory is the same as Rev/MC (engine's location or by setting the directory). For example, start Rev/MC and from the msg box, answer shell(dir) lists the contents of the directory where the Rev/MC engine is located and answer shell(dir ..\) lists the directory above. So you're right, you don't have to shell cd with the complete path to the exe to start the exe as I did in my original script, just start it with a relative name, e.g., get shell(start \appfolder\app.exe) for an exe in folder appfolder below the current Rev/MC default directory. If I'm understanding you right, a shell cd with the full pathname has problems of potential path differences between Rev/MC and Windows. Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: URL Trouble
Roger Kingston (OmniBus - Stanford) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on mouseUp get URL http://mysite.com/Data/myDataFile.csv; put it into lvData put lvData cr the result end mouseUp This works fine the first time. Then I have to wait something like several minutes (or exit RunRev and reload) before it, or any other file will download again. In the meantime I get Timeout Error in the result. I've had a problem with get/load url with the following configuration: Win XP with Norton Internet Utilities (NIS) installed, MetaCard 2.4.3, libUrl 1.0.8b1. The problem occurs if NIS is installed, even if it is turned off. NIS on Win 98 works OK. The problem I've seen is: after 1st socket of session times out, 2nd socket connection attempt fails, although after wait of approx. 7 minutes with MetaCard (v. 2.4.3, libUrl 1.0.8b1) still open, a second connnection can be made. From previous email to the MetaCard list by Ernst M. Reicher [EMAIL PROTECTED], the product zoneAlarm may also cause problems on Win XP. Rich Herz ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Using Fortran or C code in Rev
Bill Vlahos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A co-worker asked me how to use existing fortran or C code within a Revolution application (or called by a Revolution application)? There are two options I'm aware of: (1) communicate between Rev and compiled program via disk files (acceptable if the compiled program takes at least a second or two to run), (2) build an external (if running on locked volumes or if compiled program executes very fast). Option (1) I'm doing this with MC and a Fortran program on Windows. The MC GUI writes inputs to a disk file, tells the system shell to run the Fortran exe, then reads in the output files and displays results. To get the Windows OS shell command, get the shellCommand in Rev. For command.com on, e.g., Win 98, use start command's /m option to minimize the shell console window, plus set hideConsoleWindows to true in Rev. For list of start options, enter start in command.com console window. For cmd.exe on, e.g., Win XP, use start command's /min or /b option to hide the shell console window, plus set hideConsoleWindows to true in Rev. for list of start options, enter help start in cmd.exe console window. (command.com also available but different behavior than on Win 98) Combine two or more shell commands in one Rev get shell() by using the character, as you have to do with a path with spaces in the name. For example, for the shellCommand cmd.exe, in order to execute C:\Path with spaces in name\myprog.exe, sincecd is immune to spaces in path but start isn't, use get shell(cd C:\Path with spaces in name start /min /high /wait myprog.exe) Command.com on Win 98 returns executable output to the console (e.g., print * from Fortran and STOP) to the Rev it variable on completion so that you can check for a good run. Cmd.exe on Win XP doesn't seem to return anything to Rev, so I delete old output files before a run and then check for new good output files after the run. AppleScript should do the job on Macs. Option (2): I've only found the glue files needed to build XCMDs and XFCNs written in C, C++ and Pascal. To make a Fortran program into an XCMD, the thing to do would be to write a C program that calls the Fortran executable and then build that package into an XCMD using the C glue files. I you translate the glue files into Fortran, please let us know! Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stacks delivered via the web?
Could someone describe to me, on or off-list depending how much you anticipate everyone's gonna groan, just how the below works? I am not certain I am understanding it well enough to present it as a potential solution to the department... Judy My version of doing this is posted at http://mechanics.ucsd.edu/research/herz/web_24/ The stacks could be designed to look like web pages, if that's what your instructors need to see. Note the link to the engine source just above the screen shots. With load and get url, I've encountered problems on Win XP, only, in trying to make a second socket connection after the first times-out. If anyone else is sees that problem, please report it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
