Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:41:18 -0800 From: Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com Subject: Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: c75ba6de.9b%sc...@tactilemedia.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Recently, James Hurley wrote: go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/downloads/textspinner.rev I tried to add one more element: Disembodied text, i.e. a text field field with zero border width and opaque set to false. Unfortunately it crashes RunRev 4.0, build 950 on my Mac running 10.5.8 every time. Works fine here (Rev 4, OS X 10.5.8 laptop) with the source field's opaque disabled and borderWidth set to zero. As an alternative, if you don't mind creating the text image on an unlocked screen, you might try importing a snapshot of the field to the card. Comment out the portions of the script that deal with the templateImage (lines 15 - 21), and use this: import snapshot from rect (rect of fld 1) of fld 1 set resizeQuality of last img to best set loc of last img to tLoc Remember you also need to comment out the lock screen command at the beginning of the script since import snapshot will fail if the screen is locked. Good luck. Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design Scott, I went back and stepped through your handler one line at time to see where it failed. Alas, it never did. And now it doesn't when running full bore in the IDE. There is indeed a Ghost in the Machine. Sorry to put you to the extra effort. Thanks for humoring me, Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:18:11 -0800 From: Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com Subject: Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Message-ID: c758fe73.95%sc...@tactilemedia.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII You can't physically rotate text, but you can create an image of text and rotate that. Here's one example of doing this. Execute the following in your Rev message box: go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/downloads/textspinner.rev If you want to print out the results, you could try creating your text at 4x the final size and then scaling down the imported text image/s to 25%. Kind of a pain to do but should give better print results. You could do all the manipulation in a hidden stack if necessary. Hope this helps. Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design Scott, Thanks. This is a great utility. All the bells an whistles. I tried to add one more element: Disembodied text, i.e. a text field field with zero border width and opaque set to false. Unfortunately it crashes RunRev 4.0, build 950 on my Mac running 10.5.8 every time. Any thoughts? Jim Hurley ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
Recently, James Hurley wrote: go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/downloads/textspinner.rev; I tried to add one more element: Disembodied text, i.e. a text field field with zero border width and opaque set to false. Unfortunately it crashes RunRev 4.0, build 950 on my Mac running 10.5.8 every time. Works fine here (Rev 4, OS X 10.5.8 laptop) with the source field's opaque disabled and borderWidth set to zero. As an alternative, if you don't mind creating the text image on an unlocked screen, you might try importing a snapshot of the field to the card. Comment out the portions of the script that deal with the templateImage (lines 15 - 21), and use this: import snapshot from rect (rect of fld 1) of fld 1 set resizeQuality of last img to best set loc of last img to tLoc Remember you also need to comment out the lock screen command at the beginning of the script since import snapshot will fail if the screen is locked. Good luck. Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
Le 24 déc. 2009 à 20:35, Mark Swindell a écrit : Does anyone know whether the Rev development team looking seriously at improving text management/manipulation in future releases? Mark Recurrent question, since the beginning ! Typical case of selective deafness... A firm promise from Edinburgh would be a very nice Chrismas gift for everybody on this list. Happy Chrismas Jacques ** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax:++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.haus...@unil.ch *** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
On 25/12/2009 10:39, Jacques Hausser wrote: Le 24 déc. 2009 à 20:35, Mark Swindell a écrit : Does anyone know whether the Rev development team looking seriously at improving text management/manipulation in future releases? Mark Recurrent question, since the beginning ! Typical case of selective deafness... There seems to be an increasingly large amount of this. Either RunRev should demonstrably listen to their loyal customer base, fairly quickly and responsively; or they should stop pretending while sending out other signals. Of course the situation with the Edinburgh conference DVDs also gives a 'funny' impression. A firm promise from Edinburgh would be a very nice Chrismas gift for everybody on this list. In the light of earlier 'promises' I am not entirely sure whether any future promises would have much value. Commercial companies ALWAYS cross their fingers behind their backs when making promises. Also; as I once discovered to my chagrin; RunRev, despite its social image, is a commercial company trying to make money. RunRev will bother about better text management/manipulation stuff when, either, enough financial pressure is brought to bear, or one of their big-time customers (???) demands it. If you want to believe RunRev's propaganda, they are doing 'fine-and-dandy' right now with people trampling bodies in the streets just to get a copy of Studio or Enterprise; personally I don't believe that at all - the rather low level of attendance at the Edinburgh conference what a complete shock to me; as was the number of attendees (like myself) who can count the shillings they have made from using RunRev on the fingers of one hand. Many, many of Runtime Revolution's long-term users (and 'abusers' like myself) do a lot of FREE advertising for RunRev; they could, at the very least, demonstrate some sort of gratefulness for that by demonstrating that they really care about these users and their opinions. Supercard can do all sorts of things with text that RunRev cannot; now, it seems that RunRev look down their collective nose at Supercard because it is no doing all the jazzy things that RunRev is doing. One wonders why, when the text manipulation capabilities in Supercard are better than those in RunRev. For RunRev to really better than Supercard it has to have ALL the capabilites of Supercard and then all sorts of stuff that Supercard does not. The argument that RunRev can deploy on Mac, Win, Lin and all sorts of other funny platforms that most people have absolutely nothing to do with; while Supercard cannot, is not enough in and of itself to claim superiority over Supercard. I am sorry if my RANT upsets your post-festal digestion (whether Christmas, Pancha Ganapati, or Kwanza [ and, Please, do not take offence that I did not pop the name of your festival down here, just ascribe it to my ignorance and forgive me]), but on this topic I feel extremely strongly. -- I wish everybody, regardless of persuasion, an Extremely Happy and Fruitful New Year. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
Thanks, Mark, your attempt works. Here's my functioning handler: on doSpine -- called on closing the field Spine Text and again when printing, to be safe set tool to pointer --to delete existing spine graphic click at 49,166 delete click at 455,166 delete set tool to browse select empty --to be sure source field is not selected, otherwise blue hilite border is included in snapshot import snapshot from field Spine Text set the angle of the last image to 90 move the last image to 49,166 in 1 ticks copy the last image paste set the angle of the last image to 270 move the last image to 455,166 in 1 ticks end doSpine The rotated text is a bit fuzzy but is perfectly adequate for the purpose. I'm very happy to be aboard this list and get such good and speedy help. RunRev is beginning to be fun to use. I bought a copy way way back when Rev had a special offer for HC users, paid good money for the package, gave up in frustration. Just last week I decided to have another go with the free version since SheepShaver has been getting on my nerves lately. In fact it crashed the whole machine last week... On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:44:14 -0800, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: If there is a way to rotate text in Rev I would have an easy solution. I didn't find it, nor can I find a text as graphic tool in Rev to do it the HC way... TIA for help. Here's my attempt at it - this code in a button script will create a graphic from the text, then rotate it 90 degrees: on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo import snapshot from field fldTextToRotate set the angle of the last image to 90 end mouseUp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
Richmond Mathewson wrote: RunRev will bother about better text management/manipulation stuff when, either, enough financial pressure is brought to bear, or one of their big-time customers (???) demands it. Or when they can work out how to provide seamless text capabilities across multiple operating systems, each with its own specs. This will require a complete rewrite of the field object. I've spoken to Mark Waddingham about this and believe me, it isn't a trival task. Rewriting the field object, which is indeed on their list of things to do, will also integrate unicode so that it works without any special commands or settings. When I asked Mark when this might happen, he told me to go read the 6,000 pages of the unicode specs and get back to him. The field object is one of the most complex and snarly bits of code in the entire engine. Raney called it the beast and I'd be surprised if privately the team didn't have even stronger words for it. If you want to believe RunRev's propaganda, they are doing 'fine-and-dandy' right now with people trampling bodies in the streets just to get a copy of Studio or Enterprise; personally I don't believe that at all - But you should. As a RevSelect vendor, I see how many new people are coming in and the response has been astounding. Most of the newcomers do not join the mailing list, some are on the forums instead. And many don't join either one. The current megabundle promotion has been one of the most successful in RR's history. Kudos to them for that. the rather low level of attendance at the Edinburgh conference what a complete shock to me It shouldn't have been. I almost didn't go myself. Scotland is far away and fairly costly to get to if you live in a distant country. Supercard can do all sorts of things with text that RunRev cannot Yes. They only have to write for OS X, which has built-in hooks for all sort of text manipulation. Now multiply the effort by several operating systems, each of which does it differently. The scope of the endeavor is huge. Mark's been working out how to manage it for some time now. The argument that RunRev can deploy on Mac, Win, Lin and all sorts of other funny platforms that most people have absolutely nothing to do with; while Supercard cannot, is not enough in and of itself to claim superiority over Supercard. RR supports OS X, three kinds of Windows, and Linux. Seems pretty standard to me. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
On 25/12/2009 21:02, J. Landman Gay wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: RunRev will bother about better text management/manipulation stuff when, either, enough financial pressure is brought to bear, or one of their big-time customers (???) demands it. Or when they can work out how to provide seamless text capabilities across multiple operating systems, each with its own specs. This will require a complete rewrite of the field object. I've spoken to Mark Waddingham about this and believe me, it isn't a trivial task. Well, one would suppose both what you have written and what I have written will combine to a certain extent as motivating factors - I don't quite know why it seems rude to mention the fact that we live in a capitalist world and that Runtime Revolution is part of that world. Rewriting the field object, which is indeed on their list of things to do, will also integrate unicode so that it works without any special commands or settings. When I asked Mark when this might happen, he told me to go read the 6,000 pages of the unicode specs and get back to him. The field object is one of the most complex and snarly bits of code in the entire engine. Raney called it the beast and I'd be surprised if privately the team didn't have even stronger words for it. Why, Jacques, cannot all postings from those in the know be as informative as your are? Wow; integrating unicode would be marvellous. I have read about 300 pages of the unicode specs and can quite honestly say that I understood very little indeed. If you want to believe RunRev's propaganda, they are doing 'fine-and-dandy' right now with people trampling bodies in the streets just to get a copy of Studio or Enterprise; personally I don't believe that at all - Well, as RunRev seem quite good at keeping some of the information you mention below close to their collective chest I can only go on what I see. But you should. As a RevSelect vendor, I see how many new people are coming in and the response has been astounding. Most of the newcomers do not join the mailing list, some are on the forums instead. And many don't join either one. The current megabundle promotion has been one of the most successful in RR's history. Kudos to them for that. I am very glad to hear it; as I am well aware of the very great difference between RR 2.6 (my previous version) and RR 4, and they can only have come about through a tremendous amount of work. It might behoove RunRev to announce the number of sales slap-bang in the middle of their website (lots of other companies do that); it would impress at least one person 'out here'. the rather low level of attendance at the Edinburgh conference what a complete shock to me It shouldn't have been. I almost didn't go myself. Scotland is far away and fairly costly to get to if you live in a distant country. I wonder whether RunRev wouldn't be better, in future, to have a North American conf. and a European conf. However, I suspect a European conf. wouldn't pay for itself. I am sad to see that a Scots Software company is not more supported on the Scots side of the pond. Supercard can do all sorts of things with text that RunRev cannot Yes. They only have to write for OS X, which has built-in hooks for all sort of text manipulation. Now multiply the effort by several operating systems, each of which does it differently. The scope of the endeavor is huge. Mark's been working out how to manage it for some time now. I am well aware of that; I use RunRev because its advantages over Supercard well outweigh its disadvantages (which, as far as I am concerned are only the text aspects). The argument that RunRev can deploy on Mac, Win, Lin and all sorts of other funny platforms that most people have absolutely nothing to do with; while Supercard cannot, is not enough in and of itself to claim superiority over Supercard. RR supports OS X, three kinds of Windows, and Linux. Seems pretty standard to me. Very much so (at the moment); but . . . Um; Intel SPARC, SUN, Iris, UNIX . . . off in the boondocks, nicht? Thank you very much indeed for answering my 'onslaught' in a fairly comprehensive fashion, that, at least in my case, explains all sorts of things I was wondering about for ages and felt nobody had explained adequately. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
Richmond Mathewson wrote: Well, as RunRev seem quite good at keeping some of the information you mention below close to their collective chest I can only go on what I see. Well, I didn't think that a field rewrite was a secret, but now I hope I haven't overstepped my NDA. Mostly I just wanted people to know that RR is aware of the necessity but it isn't easy to do and is going to take a lot of work. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
I think you were merely stating the obvious. I have no connection to RR and I use Rev every day to satisfy many client needs as well as my own. My guess is that there will be more than one field object, since many apps would not require an 'all singing all dancing' object in every project. This would mean that the programmer could check off a list of features to include depending on the project. Merry Christmas everyone. Jim Ault Las Vegas PS I will be working on a new internet business venture everyday for the next couple weeks that includes the On-Rev server, so see you on the list !! On Dec 25, 2009, at 12:15 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: Well, as RunRev seem quite good at keeping some of the information you mention below close to their collective chest I can only go on what I see. Well, I didn't think that a field rewrite was a secret, but now I hope I haven't overstepped my NDA. Mostly I just wanted people to know that RR is aware of the necessity but it isn't easy to do and is going to take a lot of work. -- Jacqueline ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
On 25/12/2009 22:15, J. Landman Gay wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: Well, as RunRev seem quite good at keeping some of the information you mention below close to their collective chest I can only go on what I see. Well, I didn't think that a field rewrite was a secret, but now I hope I haven't overstepped my NDA. Mostly I just wanted people to know that RR is aware of the necessity but it isn't easy to do and is going to take a lot of work. Well, I don't know about your NDA; mine is now used by my wife up at the University as an example of English-language legalese . . . I only hope the students don't find it as boring reading as I did . . . :) [Yes, I did read the thing!] Certainly at that meeting (to which the NDA refers) I have no memory of anything being said about text fields - mind you, come to think of it, I was so soaked by the Edinburgh rain that I can recall almost nothing at all; so, in my case at least, an NDA was completely unnecessary. After that meeting I 'escaped' as quickly as possible and headed back to my lodgings for a good long soak in a hot bath; where my mind was filled with thoughts about my family far more than what had been discussed . . . either my memory is as sieve-like as some people would have me believe, or nothing of any great moment was mentioned at the meeting. What ever, I wonder about your word 'necessity' and whether it might not be better replaced with 'need'. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
I'm new to the list and this is my first post. I've done my first successful stack conversion from Hypercard so I'm up to speed on the basics. My next conversion project involves a custom CD C-card printer, which converts a CD premaster text file (with pq codes etc.) into what you want to see on the back of a CD jewel box sent for review or duplication. The HC stack copies the album title text, which appears in a field at the top of the back panel, and deletes the existing card picture, hides all fields and buttons, types that text as a graphic, draws a selection box around it and rotates it 90 degrees and positions it to form one spine of the CD,, and then duplicates and rotates 180 degrees and positions it for the other spine, then shows all fields and buttons again. If there is a way to rotate text in Rev I would have an easy solution. I didn't find it, nor can I find a text as graphic tool in Rev to do it the HC way... TIA for help. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
Emmett- Hi and welcome to the list. Thursday, December 24, 2009, 9:13:04 AM, you wrote: If there is a way to rotate text in Rev I would have an easy solution. I didn't find it, nor can I find a text as graphic tool in Rev to do it the HC way... TIA for help. Here's my attempt at it - this code in a button script will create a graphic from the text, then rotate it 90 degrees: on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo import snapshot from field fldTextToRotate set the angle of the last image to 90 end mouseUp -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
You can't physically rotate text, but you can create an image of text and rotate that. Here's one example of doing this. Execute the following in your Rev message box: go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/downloads/textspinner.rev; If you want to print out the results, you could try creating your text at 4x the final size and then scaling down the imported text image/s to 25%. Kind of a pain to do but should give better print results. You could do all the manipulation in a hidden stack if necessary. Hope this helps. Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design On 12/24/09 9:13 AM, Emmett Gray fi...@handheldfilm.com wrote: I'm new to the list and this is my first post. I've done my first successful stack conversion from Hypercard so I'm up to speed on the basics. My next conversion project involves a custom CD C-card printer, which converts a CD premaster text file (with pq codes etc.) into what you want to see on the back of a CD jewel box sent for review or duplication. The HC stack copies the album title text, which appears in a field at the top of the back panel, and deletes the existing card picture, hides all fields and buttons, types that text as a graphic, draws a selection box around it and rotates it 90 degrees and positions it to form one spine of the CD,, and then duplicates and rotates 180 degrees and positions it for the other spine, then shows all fields and buttons again. If there is a way to rotate text in Rev I would have an easy solution. I didn't find it, nor can I find a text as graphic tool in Rev to do it the HC way... TIA for help. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HC convert: help with text as graphic or rotated text
Does anyone know whether the Rev development team looking seriously at improving text management/manipulation in future releases? Mark On Dec 24, 2009, at 11:18 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: You can't physically rotate text, but you can create an image of text and rotate that. Here's one example of doing this. Execute the following in your Rev message box: go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/downloads/textspinner.rev; If you want to print out the results, you could try creating your text at 4x the final size and then scaling down the imported text image/s to 25%. Kind of a pain to do but should give better print results. You could do all the manipulation in a hidden stack if necessary. Hope this helps. Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design On 12/24/09 9:13 AM, Emmett Gray fi...@handheldfilm.com wrote: I'm new to the list and this is my first post. I've done my first successful stack conversion from Hypercard so I'm up to speed on the basics. My next conversion project involves a custom CD C-card printer, which converts a CD premaster text file (with pq codes etc.) into what you want to see on the back of a CD jewel box sent for review or duplication. The HC stack copies the album title text, which appears in a field at the top of the back panel, and deletes the existing card picture, hides all fields and buttons, types that text as a graphic, draws a selection box around it and rotates it 90 degrees and positions it to form one spine of the CD,, and then duplicates and rotates 180 degrees and positions it for the other spine, then shows all fields and buttons again. If there is a way to rotate text in Rev I would have an easy solution. I didn't find it, nor can I find a text as graphic tool in Rev to do it the HC way... TIA for help. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
