Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Bill Marriott wrote: Hi Alex, Actually, you can. If you get the latest on-Rev client, you'll notice a drop-down menu in the upper-right, on-Rev Project. This menu lists the sites you can edit. This list is drawn from the /.ireviam/sites.txt file on the server. Just edit this file and you'll be able to access the folders you need. Thanks Bill - got that working now. Only after a very frustrating struggle with line endings. It fails semi-silently if you put in CRLF (i.e. char(13) + char(10) ) for the line ending rather than just LF (i.e. char(10)), before uploading (with FTP Commander). I confess I get confused by the different line ending combinations on different systems, but this was a simple hit return then save in a Windows text editor (emacs), followed by the obvious upload. In a future version of the on-Rev client, the information will either be pulled down automatically from the server or you'll be able to configure it in the client. Cool! Thanks again -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hi Alex,
Actually, you can.
If you get the latest on-Rev client, you'll notice a drop-down menu in the
upper-right, on-Rev Project.
This menu lists the sites you can edit. This list is drawn from the
/.ireviam/sites.txt file on the server. Just edit this file and you'll be
able to access the folders you need.
For example:
-
user.on-rev.com{tab}/home/user/public_html
mydomain.com{tab}/home/user/mydomain
anotherdomain.com{tab}/home/user/anotherdomain
-
In a future version of the on-Rev client, the information will either be
pulled down automatically from the server or you'll be able to configure it
in the client.
- Bill
Alex Tweedly a...@tweedly.net wrote in
message news:4a1c6fbe.1060...@tweedly.net...
Bill Marriott wrote:
Jacque,
This was the default location where JaguarPC put them, and I assume is
how it needs to be set up.
It's the default location but it does *not* need to be that way
whatsoever and both will work just fine.
In fact, there is an issue where putting it within the public_html folder
will enable anyone to browse to
http://user.on-rev.com/mydomain.com/
or indeed, http://domain1.com/domain2.com
and see the other, unrelated site, which I do not find desirable. This is
why I put separate domains at the root. It prevents anyone from seeing
the content unless they navigate to the intended domain.
That sounds (to me) like a compelling reason to do it that way - and I
just succeeded (with a brand new domain name bought just so I can play
around without risking existing users).
You may not care, but afaict the current on-rev client is unable to access
such root-based add-on domains - it only sees public_html and sub-folders
within that. A great pity, I've already found the client's ability to
help with debugging of irev scripts to be tremenduously helpful
-- Alex.
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Re: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev
Bill Marriott wrote: Jacque, This was the default location where JaguarPC put them, and I assume is how it needs to be set up. It's the default location but it does *not* need to be that way whatsoever and both will work just fine. In fact, there is an issue where putting it within the public_html folder will enable anyone to browse to http://user.on-rev.com/mydomain.com/ or indeed, http://domain1.com/domain2.com and see the other, unrelated site, which I do not find desirable. This is why I put separate domains at the root. It prevents anyone from seeing the content unless they navigate to the intended domain. That sounds (to me) like a compelling reason to do it that way - and I just succeeded (with a brand new domain name bought just so I can play around without risking existing users). You may not care, but afaict the current on-rev client is unable to access such root-based add-on domains - it only sees public_html and sub-folders within that. A great pity, I've already found the client's ability to help with debugging of irev scripts to be tremenduously helpful -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Jacque, This was the default location where JaguarPC put them, and I assume is how it needs to be set up. It's the default location but it does *not* need to be that way whatsoever and both will work just fine. In fact, there is an issue where putting it within the public_html folder will enable anyone to browse to http://user.on-rev.com/mydomain.com/ or indeed, http://domain1.com/domain2.com and see the other, unrelated site, which I do not find desirable. This is why I put separate domains at the root. It prevents anyone from seeing the content unless they navigate to the intended domain. Bill Marriott wrote: If the content will ultimately be its own domain and not a subdomain, then I would put the folder at the root, and not within the /public_html hierarchy. I have both a subdomain and an add-on domain at JaguarPC, in addition to my primary hyperactivesw.com domain. Both the subdomain and the add-on folders are located inside the public_html folder of my hyperactivesw.com folder. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Bill Marriott wrote: Jacque, This was the default location where JaguarPC put them, and I assume is how it needs to be set up. It's the default location but it does *not* need to be that way whatsoever and both will work just fine. Ok, that's good to know. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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But how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? Suppose you want to eventually host mydomain.com with on-Rev: 1) Create a subdomain, mydomain.user.on-rev.com 2) Point it to a folder, mydomain, in your account 3) Test away 4) When you're satisfied, point your nameservers for mydomain.com to on-Rev 5) Create an add-on domain, mydomain.com 5) Point it to the mydomain folder Thanks for this Bill. I just have one more question: I have troz.on-rev.com and when I FTP to the root folder, I see various folders: public_html, public_ftp, mail etc. My on-rev test web site files are all in the public_html folder. So if I want to transfer my troz.net domain, is it all contained in a sub-folder inside the public_html folder, or does it get a root folder of it's own? Maybe the best thing would be to swap around so that all the troz.net files where in public_html and I had a sub-domain, say tests.troz.on-rev.com, which was in a sub-folder. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Bill Marriott wrote: Alex, But how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? Suppose you want to eventually host mydomain.com with on-Rev: 1) Create a subdomain, mydomain.user.on-rev.com 2) Point it to a folder, mydomain, in your account 3) Test away 4) When you're satisfied, point your nameservers for mydomain.com to on-Rev 5) Create an add-on domain, mydomain.com 5) Point it to the mydomain folder Thanks Bill (and Sarah, Jerry and others). I'll finish my testing and then give it a try. -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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If the content will ultimately be it's own domain and not a subdomain, then I would put the folder at the not, and not within the /public_html hierarchy. Sarah Reichelt sarah.reich...@gmail.com wrote in message news:f99b52860905221521h4f6e9bccgb64e113ad7315...@mail.gmail.com... But how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? Suppose you want to eventually host mydomain.com with on-Rev: 1) Create a subdomain, mydomain.user.on-rev.com 2) Point it to a folder, mydomain, in your account 3) Test away 4) When you're satisfied, point your nameservers for mydomain.com to on-Rev 5) Create an add-on domain, mydomain.com 5) Point it to the mydomain folder Thanks for this Bill. I just have one more question: I have troz.on-rev.com and when I FTP to the root folder, I see various folders: public_html, public_ftp, mail etc. My on-rev test web site files are all in the public_html folder. So if I want to transfer my troz.net domain, is it all contained in a sub-folder inside the public_html folder, or does it get a root folder of it's own? Maybe the best thing would be to swap around so that all the troz.net files where in public_html and I had a sub-domain, say tests.troz.on-rev.com, which was in a sub-folder. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Bill Marriott wrote: If the content will ultimately be it's own domain and not a subdomain, then I would put the folder at the not, and not within the /public_html hierarchy. I have both a subdomain and an add-on domain at JaguarPC, in addition to my primary hyperactivesw.com domain. Both the subdomain and the add-on folders are located inside the public_html folder of my hyperactivesw.com folder. This was the default location where JaguarPC put them, and I assume is how it needs to be set up. As far as I can see, there is no difference at all between my subdomain and my add-on, except that the add-on has its own DNS lookup. I expect most Apache installations work the same way. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Sarah Reichelt wrote: Thanks for this Bill. I just have one more question: I have troz.on-rev.com and when I FTP to the root folder, I see various folders: public_html, public_ftp, mail etc. My on-rev test web site files are all in the public_html folder. So if I want to transfer my troz.net domain, is it all contained in a sub-folder inside the public_html folder, or does it get a root folder of it's own? Maybe the best thing would be to swap around so that all the troz.net files where in public_html and I had a sub-domain, say tests.troz.on-rev.com, which was in a sub-folder. When you choose an add-on or a subdomain, cpanel will put it where it needs to go. This is usually inside the public_html folder of your main on-rev domain. I suspect there is little difference between a subdomain and an add-on, and that cpanel only uses the different terminology to configure the server so it knows where requests are to be sent. I'd just leave the folders where they are created by cpanel and let the auto-configuration work its magic. As you mentioned, it's pretty easy to move the html files from one folder to another if you need to. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On May 22, 2009, at 5:39 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I suspect there is little difference between a subdomain and an add- on, and that cpanel only uses the different terminology to configure the server so it knows where requests are to be sent. I'd just leave the folders where they are created by cpanel and let the auto- configuration work its magic. Yes. http://www.jhjensen.com http://www.jhjensen.jhj.on-rev.com http://www.jhj.on-rev.com/jhjensen.com All load the same page. Everything is in jhj.on-rev.com's public_html folder. You can see what's in that folder by loading: http://www.jhj.on-rev.com (which loads the public_html folder). Its so easy its confusing! --Jerry J ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Marty Knapp wrote: Hey Alex, You'll need to register a domain name with a registrar - many people here have recommended GoDaddy, which is what I use. Let's say you register alextweedly.com Then you edit the Nameserver setting with the registrar so that it points to On-Rev with the info that On-Rev provides, which is probably: ns1.on-rev.com ns2.on-rev.com Then you can create an Add-on domain in your On-Rev control panel with the name you registered. Place your web site files in this new directory. Within a short while everything should sync up and requests for alextweedly.com will bring visitors to your On-Rev hosted site. And with On-Rev you can host unlimited sites. A freebie you get with On-Rev is a user space with your account name, like alextweedly.on-rev.com. You can host a site at this address without further registration. HTH, No, it doesn't - but thanks for trying to help. I already have a domain (actually, quite a few of them :-) I want to migrate some of them to OnRev, but like Sarah I want to test them properly before I risk changing nameservers, in case I am breaking something, and would have the site be down for a day or two before I can change them back again. So the process Sarah described, namely [...] wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries. I created a sub-domain troz.troz.on-rev.com so I could migrate my site test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the DNS. So the question was quite precise how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? There is no mention in the docs (afaics) of changing sub-domain to addon domain. Thanks -- Alex. Marty Knapp Sarah Reichelt wrote: I have signed up as troz.on-rev.com. I own the domain troz.net and plan to re-locate it's hosting, but I wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries. I created a sub-domain troz.troz.on-rev.com so I could migrate my site test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the DNS. Could you expand slightly on how you do this ? I (think I) unerstand most of it - create a sub-domain - copy files over - test it But how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? Thanks -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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You use the cPanel to AddOn your domain. If you haven't changed the DNS yet, nothing will happen to your old site, and the AddOn routine will complain that the DNS is wrong (which is OK, thats what you are trying to do!) The AddOn routine does everything else correctly. Then you move your site into the appropriate folder(s). After you are happy with how your site runs at on-rev, you change the DNS with your domain registrar, and as it percolates through the intertubes your new site will be in use. Thats my experience, anyway, with a test site. Good Luck! Jerry Jensen On May 21, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: Marty Knapp wrote: Hey Alex, You'll need to register a domain name with a registrar - many people here have recommended GoDaddy, which is what I use. Let's say you register alextweedly.com Then you edit the Nameserver setting with the registrar so that it points to On-Rev with the info that On-Rev provides, which is probably: ns1.on-rev.com ns2.on-rev.com Then you can create an Add-on domain in your On-Rev control panel with the name you registered. Place your web site files in this new directory. Within a short while everything should sync up and requests for alextweedly.com will bring visitors to your On-Rev hosted site. And with On-Rev you can host unlimited sites. A freebie you get with On-Rev is a user space with your account name, like alextweedly.on-rev.com. You can host a site at this address without further registration. HTH, No, it doesn't - but thanks for trying to help. I already have a domain (actually, quite a few of them :-) I want to migrate some of them to OnRev, but like Sarah I want to test them properly before I risk changing nameservers, in case I am breaking something, and would have the site be down for a day or two before I can change them back again. So the process Sarah described, namely [...] wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries. I created a sub-domain troz.troz.on-rev.com so I could migrate my site test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the DNS. So the question was quite precise how do you change a sub- domain to an AddOn domain ? There is no mention in the docs (afaics) of changing sub-domain to addon domain. Thanks -- Alex. Marty Knapp Sarah Reichelt wrote: I have signed up as troz.on-rev.com. I own the domain troz.net and plan to re-locate it's hosting, but I wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries. I created a sub-domain troz.troz.on-rev.com so I could migrate my site test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the DNS. Could you expand slightly on how you do this ? I (think I) unerstand most of it - create a sub-domain - copy files over - test it But how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? Thanks -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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[...] wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries. I created a sub-domain troz.troz.on-rev.com so I could migrate my site test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the DNS. So the question was quite precise how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? I haven't got to that stage yet, but I assume that when I make an Add-On domain, I can tell it to use the folder that contains my sub-domain. If not, then it will get it's own folder and I will just transfer all my files from the test sub-domain to the new Add-On domain folder. I plan to make a complete backup before I try any of this :-) Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Sarah Reichelt wrote: [...] wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries. I created a sub-domain troz.troz.on-rev.com so I could migrate my site test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the DNS. So the question was quite precise how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? I haven't got to that stage yet, but I assume that when I make an Add-On domain, I can tell it to use the folder that contains my sub-domain. I think you can; it certainly seems to allow that, but I get an error message, and the addon domain is not configured, so I can't tell for sure. (But then, I get pretty much the same error just trying to create an addon domain with its own folder). What I get is: Error from park wrapper: Using nameservers with the following IPs: 208.96.10.221,66.33.206.206,66.33.216.216 Sorry, the domain is already pointed to an IP address that does not appear to use DNS servers associated with this server. Please transfer the domain to this servers nameservers or have your administrator add one of its nameservers to /etc/ips.remotedns and make the proper A entries on that remote nameserver. and cPanel says that the addon domain was not created. I could kind of understand the DNS warning, so if cPanel said the domain had been created, I would have thought it was just a question of going ahead with the transfer, but for now cPanel insists that no addon domains have been configured. If not, then it will get it's own folder and I will just transfer all my files from the test sub-domain to the new Add-On domain folder. I plan to make a complete backup before I try any of this :-) A backup isn't the problem :-). The problem is that if I transfer the domain, and it turns out that cPanel is correct that the domain hasn't been set up, then it will just stop working for my current users. I'll have all the files - but they won't be reachable. -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I think you can; it certainly seems to allow that, but I get an error message, and the addon domain is not configured, so I can't tell for sure. (But then, I get pretty much the same error just trying to create an addon domain with its own folder). What I get is: Error from park wrapper: Using nameservers with the following IPs: 208.96.10.221,66.33.206.206,66.33.216.216 Sorry, the domain is already pointed to an IP address that does not appear to use DNS servers associated with this server. Please transfer the domain to this servers nameservers or have your administrator add one of its nameservers to /etc/ips.remotedns and make the proper A entries on that remote nameserver. Who do you have your domain registered with? I think that you have to go there FIRST and change the name servers there so that they now point to the on-rev name servers. It sounds as if cPanel is refusing to let you create an Add-On domain because it can see that that domain is already hosted elsewhere. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On May 21, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: I think you can; it certainly seems to allow that, but I get an error message, and the addon domain is not configured, so I can't tell for sure. (But then, I get pretty much the same error just trying to create an addon domain with its own folder). What I get is: Error from park wrapper: Using nameservers with the following IPs: 208.96.10.221,66.33.206.206,66.33.216.216 Sorry, the domain is already pointed to an IP address that does not appear to use DNS servers associated with this server. Please transfer the domain to this servers nameservers or have your administrator add one of its nameservers to /etc/ ips.remotedns and make the proper A entries on that remote nameserver. Who do you have your domain registered with? I think that you have to go there FIRST and change the name servers there so that they now point to the on-rev name servers. It sounds as if cPanel is refusing to let you create an Add-On domain because it can see that that domain is already hosted elsewhere. Yabut, it does the AddOn anyway, in spite of the complaint. Otherwise you wouldn't have a chance to make sure it runs OK before you repoint the DNS to on-rev. For example - my home on-rev domain is jhj.on-rev.com and in that root is a folder named public_html. When I did the AddOn for jhjensen.com it complained, but also made a folder inside public_html named jhjensen.com . So I put my html in there, checked it at http://www.jhj.on-rev.com/jhjensen.com to see that it worked (as it still does). I then changed the DNS at my registrar (which happense to be pairnic) and after a while, http://www.jhjensen.com loads the new site as well. It takes a while for the DNS to propagate. So: http://www.jhj.on-rev.com/jhjensen.com http://www.jhjensen.com both load the same page now, but the second one pointed elsewhere until I changed the DNS at pairnic. Go ahead, be brave, that error won't hurt a bit. --Jerry Jensen ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Alex, But how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? Suppose you want to eventually host mydomain.com with on-Rev: 1) Create a subdomain, mydomain.user.on-rev.com 2) Point it to a folder, mydomain, in your account 3) Test away 4) When you're satisfied, point your nameservers for mydomain.com to on-Rev 5) Create an add-on domain, mydomain.com 5) Point it to the mydomain folder ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Sarah Reichelt wrote: I have signed up as troz.on-rev.com. I own the domain troz.net and plan to re-locate it's hosting, but I wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries. I created a sub-domain troz.troz.on-rev.com so I could migrate my site test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the DNS. Could you expand slightly on how you do this ? I (think I) unerstand most of it - create a sub-domain - copy files over - test it But how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? Thanks -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hey Alex, You'll need to register a domain name with a registrar - many people here have recommended GoDaddy, which is what I use. Let's say you register alextweedly.com Then you edit the Nameserver setting with the registrar so that it points to On-Rev with the info that On-Rev provides, which is probably: ns1.on-rev.com ns2.on-rev.com Then you can create an Add-on domain in your On-Rev control panel with the name you registered. Place your web site files in this new directory. Within a short while everything should sync up and requests for alextweedly.com will bring visitors to your On-Rev hosted site. And with On-Rev you can host unlimited sites. A freebie you get with On-Rev is a user space with your account name, like alextweedly.on-rev.com. You can host a site at this address without further registration. HTH, Marty Knapp Sarah Reichelt wrote: I have signed up as troz.on-rev.com. I own the domain troz.net and plan to re-locate it's hosting, but I wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries. I created a sub-domain troz.troz.on-rev.com so I could migrate my site test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the DNS. Could you expand slightly on how you do this ? I (think I) unerstand most of it - create a sub-domain - copy files over - test it But how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? Thanks -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Right, Marty. And let me point out one other aspect When you get your on-Rev account, you'll have a default folder set up for your initial user.on-rev.com subdomain. When you create the add-on domain in the control panel, you'll be able to specify this folder, or a new folder, or any existing folder as the root of the domain you're specifying. In this way you can keep domains separate, or you can link multiple domains to the same folder. Suppose you have: superdomain.com superdomain.net superdomain.info superdomain.biz These would be four add-on domains, four registrations with GoDaddy. But you can map them all to the superdomain folder on your on-rev account, so you put all your stuff in one place. Then you could have a domain, mypersonalsite.org which maps to the mysite folder on your on-Rev account (the folder names don't have to match anything in particular) and this would be a completely separate collection of content. So, to address the OP's question, How do you 'change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain?' The answer is you really don't. The subdomain is like a phone number; that doesn't change. You can add as many prefixes (i guess they would be called, sub-subdomains) for example x.y.z.user.on-rev.com But you cannot change the user.on-rev.com part. You can specify that your add-on domain(s) point to the same folder that user.on-rev.com does (like a phone number that forwards to the same physical telephone as another number) -- the default folder we set up for you at account creation. Or, you can just keep your default folder empty and create new folders for your add-on domains as desired. - Bill Marty Knapp martykn...@comcast.net wrote in message news:4a1485aa.1020...@comcast.net... Hey Alex, You'll need to register a domain name with a registrar - many people here have recommended GoDaddy, which is what I use. Let's say you register alextweedly.com Then you edit the Nameserver setting with the registrar so that it points to On-Rev with the info that On-Rev provides, which is probably: ns1.on-rev.com ns2.on-rev.com Then you can create an Add-on domain in your On-Rev control panel with the name you registered. Place your web site files in this new directory. Within a short while everything should sync up and requests for alextweedly.com will bring visitors to your On-Rev hosted site. And with On-Rev you can host unlimited sites. A freebie you get with On-Rev is a user space with your account name, like alextweedly.on-rev.com. You can host a site at this address without further registration. HTH, Marty Knapp Sarah Reichelt wrote: I have signed up as troz.on-rev.com. I own the domain troz.net and plan to re-locate it's hosting, but I wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries. I created a sub-domain troz.troz.on-rev.com so I could migrate my site test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the DNS. Could you expand slightly on how you do this ? I (think I) unerstand most of it - create a sub-domain - copy files over - test it But how do you change a sub-domain to an AddOn domain ? Thanks -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I've been trying to use the irev tool onrev from Windows. I know it's only an alpha, so I won't complain but I'm not sure whether to report problems, or missing (essential) features (or even missing would-be-nice features). Anyone know if the should be reported ? if so, where ? Thanks -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Yes, they should be reported. You have two venues to report bugs and ask for features. You can email b...@on-rev.com, or you can post to the on-rev forum: http://forums.on-rev.com We're monitoring both at the moment. A major reason for going out with on-rev now is precisely to get this kind of feedback from users, so please, let us have it! Regards, Heather On Apr 23, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote: I've been trying to use the irev tool onrev from Windows. I know it's only an alpha, so I won't complain but I'm not sure whether to report problems, or missing (essential) features (or even missing would-be-nice features). Anyone know if the should be reported ? if so, where ? Thanks -- Alex. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Sarah Reichelt sarah.reich...@gmail.comwrote: While it has nothing to do with on-rev, for this purpose I recommend dyndns.org. Get a free account with them and then you can register your wife's computer or your home network's public address so that it has a name e.g. lan.dyndns.org. If you install the update client (available on the dyndns.org web site), it will run in the background and update their records every time you get a new IP address, so the name will always get you to the right address. Brilliant! Thanks Sarah for the link, I'll definitely check it out. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I've had time to sift through all the advise, and again, thanks to everyone for the responses. So now just to confirm I'm not lost, just befuddled; I get one Main domain name and unlimited Sub domains, so if I sign up with lan.on-rev.com I can subsequently create kc.lan.on-rev.com and dj.lan.on-rev.com. I just want to confirm that Sub domains are added to the left - seems important when picking a name. Hi Kay, Kinda the other way around. You're assigned a single sub domain ( kay.on-rev.com) and you can get it to work with as many domains as you've registered (for now, you need to register domains elsewhere-- aka GoDaddy.com). Thanks Chipp for the reply, but now I'm confused. When on-rev says I can have Unlimited Subdomains and Unlimited Add On Domains I understood (probably wrongly) that the Add On refers to those registered elsewhere, that I can move to on-rev at no charge from on-rev. What then is the Unlimited Subdomain feature, how do I go about creating the multiple Subdomains, and particularly what would they look like: kay1.on-rev, kay2.on-rev, OR something.on-rev, completely.on-rev, different.on-rev?? Trying to get my head around what the pros and cons of Subdomains vs Add On Domains and how to maximise the usefullness of the Subdomains as it appears (again I may have this wrong) to be free whilst every Add On will requie the cost of registration. Clear as mud ;-| ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Kay C Lan wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I've had time to sift through all the advise, and again, thanks to everyone for the responses. So now just to confirm I'm not lost, just befuddled; I get one Main domain name and unlimited Sub domains, so if I sign up with lan.on-rev.com I can subsequently create kc.lan.on-rev.com and dj.lan.on-rev.com. I just want to confirm that Sub domains are added to the left - seems important when picking a name. Hi Kay, Kinda the other way around. You're assigned a single sub domain ( kay.on-rev.com) and you can get it to work with as many domains as you've registered (for now, you need to register domains elsewhere-- aka GoDaddy.com). Thanks Chipp for the reply, but now I'm confused. When on-rev says I can have Unlimited Subdomains and Unlimited Add On Domains I understood (probably wrongly) that the Add On refers to those registered elsewhere, that I can move to on-rev at no charge from on-rev. What then is the Unlimited Subdomain feature, how do I go about creating the multiple Subdomains, and particularly what would they look like: kay1.on-rev, kay2.on-rev, OR something.on-rev, completely.on-rev, different.on-rev?? Trying to get my head around what the pros and cons of Subdomains vs Add On Domains and how to maximise the usefullness of the Subdomains as it appears (again I may have this wrong) to be free whilst every Add On will requie the cost of registration. Clear as mud ;-| Kay, These matters can be hard to grasp, and also hard to explain. I'll have a go though. An add-on domain does indeed, in this case, refer to those registered elsewhere. Your on-rev account is a subdomain of on-rev.com Your Add-on domains are hosted inside your subdomain's space, but look independent of it to the outside world. The major advantage of having at least one add on domain would be that you own it - for as long as you continue to pay the domain name registration fee. You do not own on-rev.com, so if you set up a site or public services using your on-rev.com subdomain address, and later decide to move them elsewhere, you would then no longer be able to use the on-rev domain name. On the other hand you can redirect a domain name that you own at any web host you please. Your add on domains can themselves have subdomains. So you could host one domain that you own and give it as many subdomains as you please, assuming you have a reason to do that. I haven't tried but I would not expect that you can create any more subdomains like kay1.on-rev.com, kay2.on-rev.com etc because the on-rev.com domain is not yours to configure. Any subdomains you create will therefore always be subdomains of an addon domain you have set up inside your account space. With hosting multiple add on domains, the typical scenario would be that you were hosting sites you had designed or developed for customers, and in that case the customer would normally be the one who owns the domain and pays the domain registration costs. A web site specialist like myself however, may own a number of domains in order to logically separate different projects - e.g. I have a domain for my business, two domains just for email, one domain where I put freebie sites for friends and miscellaneous bits and pieces that don't belong on a business site, another that is sometimes used for technical research, plus several that I have plans for but have yet to exploit. Martin Baxter -- I am Not a Number, I am a free NaN ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Kay, Perhaps this will make it easier to understand. When you first sign-up to on-rev you'll have to specify a sub-domain you want. Say you use the subdomain kaylan so your domain access for accessing your server will looklike kaylan.on-rev.com. That's the only subdomain you'll have for the on-rev.com domain. But frankly, that's ok as it's a private subdomain you'll probably only use for testing and administrating your account. What you reall want to do is move existing domains over to the on-rev.comcontrol panel. You do this by telling the registrar where your purchased your domain to point the domain's dns servers to those specified by on-rev. Now, say you want to create a biz site and you have already purchased the domain kaylan.com, so you'll need to tell your GoDaddy account to use rev's dns servers to manage your kaylan.com domain. This can take up to 48 hours to propogate dns changes through the entire iternet. Then, at your on-rev account, there are controls so you can setup multiple subdomains for kaylan.com as well as any other domains you've pointed their dns records to. Each of those subdomains can point to a separate folder at your on-rev account. Using CNAMEs, you can create all sorts of subdomains for kaylan.com such as: www.kaylan.com and blog.kaylan.com and labs.kaylan.com and shop.kaylan.com And you can do the same for all your domains you point to their servers. HTH, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: Using CNAMEs, you can create all sorts of subdomains for kaylan.com such as: www.kaylan.com and blog.kaylan.com and labs.kaylan.com and shop.kaylan.com And you can do the same for all your domains you point to their servers. Martin and Chipp, Thanks so much, now the penny drops :-) And that's how they get those domains without www at the front, which I guess if I was paying attention, I'd have picked up from the couple of people who've already posted their x.on-rev.com links. So that only leaves the multiple email accounts. Will I be able to create cluel...@kaylan.on-rev.com and neoph...@kaylan.on-rev.com PLUS (assuming I've paid GoDaddy) i...@kaylan.com, l...@kaylan.com supp...@kaylan.com etc - all created/administered at on-rev? Appreciated. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Kay, I get one Main domain name and unlimited Sub domains, so if I sign up with lan.on-rev.com I can subsequently create kc.lan.on-rev.com and dj.lan.on-rev.com. I just want to confirm that Sub domains are added to the left - seems important when picking a name. - Yes, when you buy an on-Rev hosting package, you automatically get u...@user.on-rev.com as an email address and http://user.on-rev.com as a default web site address. I believe you can indeed set up subdomain.user.on-on-rev.com, anothersubdomain.user.on-rev.com, etc. if you like. Can I then create Sub domains of these Add On Domains? Like ' almost.allthegoodnamesaretaken.com'? If so, do I need to register these as well through GoDaddy or will this simply be something I can do with 'Addon Domain Manager' or 'Subdomain Manager' at on-rev? - When you own a domain [not currently possible to purchase through on-rev but soon] you can set up mydomain.com at your registrar to point to the on-rev nameservers. You don't have to go back to your registrar for anything else, the rest can be managed through the on-Rev control panel, where it is considered an add-on domain. Specifically, - You can set up as many subdomains attached to your add-on domains as you like. The subdomains can point to a space on your storage area, your home computer, or forward to another web server. - You can integrate your on-Rev service with existing, external sites hosted by clients. For example, your client has the domain bigcorp.com. They can set up a subdomain revapps.bigcorp.com that points to your on-rev server (they do what's called adding an A record). Will I be able to create multiple email addresses for each Add On Domain and any sub domains I create or is this only a feature of the on-rev.comdomains? Are the unlimited Mailing Lists for the on-rev domain only or will I be able to create a mailing list for Add On Domains? - You can set up unlimited emails, mailing lists, databases, etc., linked to each add-on domain, or the original user.on-rev.com domain. What is the situation with email for these Add On Domains? I see GoDaddy provides free email with the Domains you register, but can I move it AND control it all from on-rev, ie everything in the one place? Or would it be better to leave these with GoDaddy; use GoDaddy's MBs rather than on-rev's MBs? - Yes, when you point the nameservers to on-rev, email for that domain also is automatically handled by the on-rev servers, too, unless you specifically sex up an MX record to direct your email to a different server. I understand that Add On domain name annual renewal will still need to be handled with GoDaddy, not on-rev? - Scratch that, I see George C Brackett posted that on-rev may eventually take up that baton. - Yes A possible use I have for Rev Server Scripting Language, I like to try and sync my iCal with my wife's computer when I'm away, but not having a fixed IP address it is impossible unless I have her on the phone telling here exactly what I need. I'm hoping I could create a Rev Standalone that would start up every time she starts her computer and send it's IP + LAN address to my on-rev account. Then all I hope to do is access my on-rev account to discover what my wife's current full IP address is. - I do this with my home network. Home PC checks in every couple hours and updates the server with my current home IP address. Do you think it is possible to have lan.on-rev act as a mini name sever? Any request to a particular lan.on-rev page be redirected to the Public or Sites folder of my wife's dynamic IP addressed computer? - Yes you can do this. Could this be something like a 'HTTP 302 redirect' ? or is this Domain Forwarding Masking? I notice GoDaddy offers Forwarding and Masking but on-rev doesn't mention it. - There are a variety of ways. The on-rev subdomain manager allows forwards. Basically I see I have 4 wants. A Rev centric address - would be myname.on-rev.com - You got it A family orientated address - registered through GoDaddy or similar A hobby orientated address - registered through GoDaddy or similar - Yup, have As many as you like A Private address - somehow use one of the above to discover and point/redirect to a computer connected at home to a dynamic IP Address. - The dynamic part of this is a little tricky, but I have it set up this way for one of my domains where home.myowndomain.com points to my home network. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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So that only leaves the multiple email accounts. Will I be able to create cluel...@kaylan.on-rev.com and neoph...@kaylan.on-rev.com PLUS (assuming I've paid GoDaddy) i...@kaylan.com, l...@kaylan.com supp...@kaylan.com etc - all created/administered at on-rev? Yes. Once you sign up, you get access to an online control panel where you can set up unlimited email accounts. At least I know you can for the cuel...@kaylan.on-rev.com and neoph...@kaylan.on-rev.com addresses, not sure about the kaylan ones. These can be accessed using a standard email client or via several different web mail clients. What I am wondering is if anyone has got email working for another domain and does it work well? If I transfer troz.net to on-rev, will all the @troz.net emails come through on-rev? I have a mail server on my home network using fetchmail to get all the emails and distribute them to the family. How long can I expect it to take before they all come through and I can stop checking my old hoster? Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Perhaps this will make it easier to understand. When you first sign-up to on-rev you'll have to specify a sub-domain you want. Say you use the subdomain kaylan so your domain access for accessing your server will looklike kaylan.on-rev.com. That's the only subdomain you'll have for the on-rev.com domain. But frankly, that's ok as it's a private subdomain you'll probably only use for testing and administrating your account. As far as I can see, you CAN add unlimited sub-domains to your on-rev account. I have signed up as troz.on-rev.com. I own the domain troz.net and plan to re-locate it's hosting, but I wanted to test it out before changing the DNS entries. I created a sub-domain troz.troz.on-rev.com so I could migrate my site test it, before changing it to an AddOn domain and altering the DNS. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Thanks Chipp, Martin, Sarah and Bill (for an extremely comprehensive answer) for opening up my understanding. Starting to get excited :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Just to thank you, Jacque, belatedly - I also have never had to produce a web site in anger (I don't count uploads of family photos and the like) and felt just like Joe. What I suppose this conversation does show is the enormous range of users (developers) who can and do benefit from Rev - all the way from hobbyists to very serious commercial developers, with an equal range of technical requirements. IMO there is no other development environment, certainly not a cross-platform one, that can meet such a huge spectrum of needs. Graham On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:21:01 -0500, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. It's kind of hard to explain if you don't create web pages or have a familiarity with how they are written. But in a nutshell, web pages written in pure HTML are static. [followed by a nice long explanation for the uninitiated] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Graham Samuel wrote: Just to thank you, Jacque, belatedly - I also have never had to produce a web site in anger (I don't count uploads of family photos and the like) and felt just like Joe. Chipp was very tactful in suggesting that some people confused server-side and client-side scripting. Some people was me. So listen to him when in doubt, he knows more. ;) Hopefully the generic part of the explanation still applies though. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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OK, I've had time to sift through all the advise, and again, thanks to everyone for the responses. So now just to confirm I'm not lost, just befuddled; I get one Main domain name and unlimited Sub domains, so if I sign up with lan.on-rev.com I can subsequently create kc.lan.on-rev.com and dj.lan.on-rev.com. I just want to confirm that Sub domains are added to the left - seems important when picking a name. From these domains and sub domains I can create unlimited email addresses like k...@lan.on-rev.com and d...@lan.on-rev.com as well as i...@kc.lan.on-rev.com (note the use of the sub domain in this case)? Then we come to Add On Domains. I understand that I can register 'allthe goodnamesaretaken.com' with someone like GoDaddy or Dotster and during registration indicate that I want to use ns1.on-rev and ns2.on-rev as the actual name servers. I see RunRev used GoDaddy to register on-rev. Can I then create Sub domains of these Add On Domains? Like ' almost.allthegoodnamesaretaken.com'? If so, do I need to register these as well through GoDaddy or will this simply be something I can do with 'Addon Domain Manager' or 'Subdomain Manager' at on-rev? What is the situation with email for these Add On Domains? I see GoDaddy provides free email with the Domains you register, but can I move it AND control it all from on-rev, ie everything in the one place? Or would it be better to leave these with GoDaddy; use GoDaddy's MBs rather than on-rev's MBs? Will I be able to create multiple email addresses for each Add On Domain and any sub domains I create or is this only a feature of the on-rev.comdomains? Are the unlimited Mailing Lists for the on-rev domain only or will I be able to create a mailing list for Add On Domains? I understand that Add On domain name annual renewal will still need to be handled with GoDaddy, not on-rev? - Scratch that, I see George C Brackett posted that on-rev may eventually take up that baton. A possible use I have for Rev Server Scripting Language, I like to try and sync my iCal with my wife's computer when I'm away, but not having a fixed IP address it is impossible unless I have her on the phone telling here exactly what I need. I'm hoping I could create a Rev Standalone that would start up every time she starts her computer and send it's IP + LAN address to my on-rev account. Then all I hope to do is access my on-rev account to discover what my wife's current full IP address is. Do you think it is possible to have lan.on-rev act as a mini name sever? Any request to a particular lan.on-rev page be redirected to the Public or Sites folder of my wife's dynamic IP addressed computer? Could this be something like a 'HTTP 302 redirect' ? or is this Domain Forwarding Masking? I notice GoDaddy offers Forwarding and Masking but on-rev doesn't mention it. Basically I see I have 4 wants. A Rev centric address - would be myname.on-rev.com A family orientated address - registered through GoDaddy or similar A hobby orientated address - registered through GoDaddy or similar A Private address - somehow use one of the above to discover and point/redirect to a computer connected at home to a dynamic IP Address. So as you can tell, it's as clear as mud to me at the moment, any insights again appreciated ;-) Getting closer but basically I think my minds made up. I just want to look less foolish when I take the plunge ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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A possible use I have for Rev Server Scripting Language, I like to try and sync my iCal with my wife's computer when I'm away, but not having a fixed IP address it is impossible unless I have her on the phone telling here exactly what I need. I'm hoping I could create a Rev Standalone that would start up every time she starts her computer and send it's IP + LAN address to my on-rev account. Then all I hope to do is access my on-rev account to discover what my wife's current full IP address is. While it has nothing to do with on-rev, for this purpose I recommend dyndns.org. Get a free account with them and then you can register your wife's computer or your home network's public address so that it has a name e.g. lan.dyndns.org. If you install the update client (available on the dyndns.org web site), it will run in the background and update their records every time you get a new IP address, so the name will always get you to the right address. HTH, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I've had time to sift through all the advise, and again, thanks to everyone for the responses. So now just to confirm I'm not lost, just befuddled; I get one Main domain name and unlimited Sub domains, so if I sign up with lan.on-rev.com I can subsequently create kc.lan.on-rev.com and dj.lan.on-rev.com. I just want to confirm that Sub domains are added to the left - seems important when picking a name. Hi Kay, Kinda the other way around. You're assigned a single sub domain ( kay.on-rev.com) and you can get it to work with as many domains as you've registered (for now, you need to register domains elsewhere-- aka GoDaddy.com). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Thank you very much Jacque for these clear explanations. If building web pages in On-Rev is really just building stacks as I do now then yes, that's a very nice progress. Up to now, I mainly use and feed 2 sites but which were built by friends of mine; I am myself not at all knowledgeable in this matter. And I must say, that after reading the posts on these 2 long threads, I got the feeling that stacks metaphor was beeing on the verge to disappear, or at least to become somethins like old fashion programming, without being able to clearly understand what they would be replace with! I would like very much to built sites; so I am ready to learn a little bit of complementary syntax (or/and a bit of procedures) if it is really necessary, but surely not a lot. Thanks again Best regards from Grenoble André Le 18 avr. 09 à 03:21, J. Landman Gay a écrit : Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. It's kind of hard to explain if you don't create web pages or have a familiarity with how they are written. But in a nutshell, web pages written in pure HTML are static. Whenever you see a page that does something dynamic -- buttons with different rollover states, data that changes depending on live user input, dynamic content of any type -- those actions must be scripted into the page using a second, scripted language like JavaScript or PHP. The scripted language is integrated into the same page as the HTML code and the server interprets the scripts and shows you dynamic content. Up until now, anyone who wanted dynamic content on a web page had to learn one of those other languages. What has just happened is that Runtime has figured out a way to allow a web server to work with our familiar xtalk, and allow that to be embedded into a web page instead of one of the other languages. This is big stuff. The server needs to be set up in a particular way to allow this, and as of now, only Runtime has that setup in place. They have made their web service available so we can take advantage of this new capability. Their setup pretty much matches industry standards in terms of features and capability -- except for this remarkable scripting feature which no one else has. There is nothing to lose by changing to Runtime's web hosting service, and everything to gain if you want to write web pages using the language we know and love. For years now, the Rev engine has always had the capability to work with a server as long as it was set up as a CGI service. This is a complicated and tedious task in general, but once it was set up it works well. (This method isn't going away, by the way. It will still be functional for those who want it.) However, with the new HTML- integrated capabilities, CGIs are no longer needed. You can write HTML and Rev script in the same web page and your users will see content based on whatever your scripts do. You don't have to worry about any of the complexities of CGIs because none of that matters any more (permissions, engines, Apache installation, missing libraries, line endings, etc. All moot now.) Anyone who's had to work with the old-style CGIs will find the new method liberating. One of the hardest things to do was debug a CGI; it was very much like working with HC version 1.0 where the only way to know what a variable contained was to put its contents into the message box. If you got a script error, it was up to you to figure out the problem, because the clues were sparse if they existed at all. That's all over with now. RR provides a live debugger that lets you step through the scripts on a web page just as though you were working in a stack. That alone is worth the price of admission for web page authors. For me, I haven't seen such a cool thing since I was gobsmacked by the ability to run a stack from a remote server in one line of script. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 18 Apr 2009, at 02:51, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Thank you for the timely, informative explanation. This does mean that on-rev has to be the hosting site for the webpages, however, does it not? In other words, a client could not hire one of us to create a website that they plan to run on, say, GoDaddy. In that case we'd still have to use php or JavaScript for interactive features. Correct? I still don't have a really good picture of the process since I've done this so few times. If I've been reading the On-Rev FAQ/examples correctly, no - it would be possible to embed On-Rev pages within iframes in pages hosted on other servers. http://samples.on-rev.com/iframe.irev I'm not that up to date on iframes, but I think that means that you couldn't include the Rev code within the HTML on (for instance) GoDaddy, but you'd be able to include pages from On-Rev 'within' the pages on GoDaddy. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Apr 18, 2009, at 2:29 AM, Ian Wood wrote: If I've been reading the On-Rev FAQ/examples correctly, no - it would be possible to embed On-Rev pages within iframes in pages hosted on other servers. http://samples.on-rev.com/iframe.irev I'm not that up to date on iframes, but I think that means that you couldn't include the Rev code within the HTML on (for instance) GoDaddy, but you'd be able to include pages from On-Rev 'within' the pages on GoDaddy. It is true that you can run iframes on other web sites. You need to know that there are several limitations to delivering web content using one or more iframes on a single web page. On very good use of On-Rev would be to build 'widgets' that would run in a rectangle on other web pages, kind of like banner ads are implimented. Some browsers and hosts are setup to to decline/defend against cross-domain scripting. In your case, you would be using a web content source (On-Rev) that would not be on the same domain. A particular example, that would be cool, is to program a Flash movie that runs on a hostedDomainOfMine.com, has the 'allow-cross-platform- content', and gets data from On-Rev in order to deliver the user experience within the Flash movie. One thing that is more difficult with iframes is to do browser detection. Unfortunately, the way of the web programming world today is most often to adjust the html code returned by a cgi according to the browser and version of the browser to get the best user experience. Hope this helps. Jim Ault Las Vegas ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From: J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com For me, I haven't seen such a cool thing since I was gobsmacked by the ability to run a stack from a remote server in one line of script. I just checked - gobsmacked.com is not available. 8-/ -- Jerry J ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Jerry J wrote: From: J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com For me, I haven't seen such a cool thing since I was gobsmacked by the ability to run a stack from a remote server in one line of script. I just checked - gobsmacked.com is not available. 8-/ I learned that word from Susan Boyle. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Gob - british english slang (probably from gaelic) for mouth Best, Mark On 19 Apr 2009, at 02:55, J. Landman Gay wrote: Jerry J wrote: From: J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com For me, I haven't seen such a cool thing since I was gobsmacked by the ability to run a stack from a remote server in one line of script. I just checked - gobsmacked.com is not available. 8-/ I learned that word from Susan Boyle. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Shut yer gob yer fat get, or I kick your face in. -John Lennon (In His Own Write) On Apr 18, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Mark Smith wrote: Gob - british english slang (probably from gaelic) for mouth Best, Mark On 19 Apr 2009, at 02:55, J. Landman Gay wrote: Jerry J wrote: From: J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com For me, I haven't seen such a cool thing since I was gobsmacked by the ability to run a stack from a remote server in one line of script. I just checked - gobsmacked.com is not available. 8-/ I learned that word from Susan Boyle. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Kay,
I know I'm not an unbiased source but I just wanted to point out that beyond
your basic email and web space, (actually I think MobileMe is killing web
pages) there is almost no comparison between MobileMe and on-Rev. I mean, I
guess you could say that on-Rev is a MobileMe for Revolution users just
because it's highly targeted and provides specific functionality... but I
think the comparison breaks down after that. MobileMe is about syncing files
and contacts across multiple devices. While on-Rev is a Rev developer's
dream home for server scripting.
As for Dreamhost, we specifically did not want to compete on a
bandwidth/storage basis. Yes, we wanted to provide more than ample space for
a good price, and yes we want to make it an easy decision to use us for
hosting all your sites. Before on-Rev, I was using Dreamhost and a second,
cPanel-based provider. Dreamhost is great and very Rev-friendly. I have the
classic Rev engine, 3.0, working there. I haven't gotten around to putting
3.5 up because in the end it's probably an hour of work for me to download
the Linux version, pick out the right bits, and upload them with the right
permissions, etc. The other guys haven't gotten Rev to work since the 2.6.1
engine, are completely helpless when it comes to trying to get it to work,
and I've been looking for an excuse to get rid of them.
For me, on-Rev is the ideal place I'd want to switch to from the previous
cPanel provider. I get to use the same UI as the old one (in fact, it's easy
to just back up and restore my whole site cPanel-to-cPanel). I know it's got
its detractors but cPanel is pretty common and great for average people like
me. I get better spec hardware hosting it, with more storage and more
bandwidth. No feature losses. And one important advantage...
The core value of this service is knowing that whenever you want -- without
any complicated setup, getting into FTP programs, etc. -- you can quickly
add ?rev tags to a page. And if it doesn't work, you have the comfort of a
nice debugger that shows you variables in real time, etc. Makes it so easy
for quick tasks and finally possible to tackle bigger projects without
pulling your hair out.
In other words, it was designed to be the ultimate place to be for anyone
who uses Rev, and the whole point of being a Founder is not just to get a
great deal on hosting, but to help make it great with feedback and
suggestions and just plain using it :)
- Bill
runrev marketing guy
Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote
in message
news:f73a98160904170517j605d7ea5i7a0ab23bd0613...@mail.gmail.com...
I would like some opinions on the new on-Rev offer.
This offer is very timely as I've been telling myself I 'need' to have a
web
presence. ('need' as in my wife needs a new dress or I need a new gadget).
I
guess I'm a bit like Marian in this regard, a bit of a neophyte when it
comes to cgi, php etc; so as a Mac user MobileMe probably sounds like the
web solution.
But having said that, I do consider MobileMe more for my mother than for
me.
I do dabble in mySQL and can have it work across a LAN, and have even
tested
it over a WAN, but without a hosting service a one off test was all it
was.
I know that a few here recommend Dreamhost. At the moment the only
deficiencies that I've noted from a quick scan is that on-Rev doesn't list
QuickTime/RealAudio support, but I get the impression that such holes will
be filled rapidly.
I'm probably not the prime target for on-Rev, but I don't consider myself
the prime target for Revolution either. I love Rev and I can see that if
on-Rev can minimise the need for PHP, CGI and javascript knowledge, I
could
really enjoy working in on-Rev as well.
So I was wondering if some kind List members would share their thoughts on
the pros and cons, the haves and have-nots - excluding cost as I don't
want
this to be an issue, ie if you can't afford on-Rev right now but think
it's
a great offer I'd like to know why, just the same as if you can afford
on-Rev but aren't interested I'd like to know why. I'm looking more at the
personal/family end of the spectrum rather than the business perspective.
Will on-Rev = Dreamhost? If not, why not. What will on-Rev provide that
I'll
never get from MobileMe and what will MobileMe provide that I'll never be
able to do with on-Rev?
Thanks in advance for all those that share their thoughts.
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I know that a few here recommend Dreamhost. At the moment the only deficiencies that I've noted from a quick scan is that on-Rev doesn't list QuickTime/RealAudio support, but I get the impression that such holes will be filled rapidly. I'm probably not the prime target for on-Rev, but I don't consider myself the prime target for Revolution either. I love Rev and I can see that if on-Rev can minimise the need for PHP, CGI and javascript knowledge, I could really enjoy working in on-Rev as well. Hi Kay, I work with a number of providers, and use Dreamhost along with several others. Dreamhost is sort of like buying your flour in bulk at WinCo - its really cheap and there's plenty of stuff you get for your buck. On the other hand, you cannot depend on great bandwidth at all times, and they have some other limitations as well. They do have one click installs that cover a wide range of uses - for example, Im involved in a number of Joomla based projects and that's really simple to set up on dreamhost. You can also have an unlimited number of sites. On the other hand, I think its very problematic that they will ever go out of their way to support Revolution, and they will never be the experts at Revolution that Runtime will. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hiya, On-Rev has PostgreSQL and MySQL: Will Valentina be up there too?... Cheers, Luis. On 17 Apr 2009, at 14:54, Lynn Fredricks wrote: I know that a few here recommend Dreamhost. At the moment the only deficiencies that I've noted from a quick scan is that on-Rev doesn't list QuickTime/RealAudio support, but I get the impression that such holes will be filled rapidly. I'm probably not the prime target for on-Rev, but I don't consider myself the prime target for Revolution either. I love Rev and I can see that if on-Rev can minimise the need for PHP, CGI and javascript knowledge, I could really enjoy working in on-Rev as well. Hi Kay, I work with a number of providers, and use Dreamhost along with several others. Dreamhost is sort of like buying your flour in bulk at WinCo - its really cheap and there's plenty of stuff you get for your buck. On the other hand, you cannot depend on great bandwidth at all times, and they have some other limitations as well. They do have one click installs that cover a wide range of uses - for example, Im involved in a number of Joomla based projects and that's really simple to set up on dreamhost. You can also have an unlimited number of sites. On the other hand, I think its very problematic that they will ever go out of their way to support Revolution, and they will never be the experts at Revolution that Runtime will. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Lynn Fredricks wrote: On the other hand, I think its very problematic that they will ever go out of their way to support Revolution, and they will never be the experts at Revolution that Runtime will. It should always be the case that the maker of a technology knows it best; I'd be concerned if that were not the case. ;) But if we want to see Rev adopted widely on servers, we should be careful about the message here: we don't want to work too hard to convince the world that setting up Rev on a server is prohibitively onerous. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hi,
i was considering about extending my web package here at a german isp, just
before the On-Rev offer jumped in.
At the moment i am paying 130,--Euros for a 5GB Hosting Package with unlimited
Subdomains, 1000 Domains (yearly domain fees not included),100 FTP-Accounts,
1000 Pop3 Accounts, 100 MySQL DB without possibility to use Rev as a cgi,
because of security concerns of my isp.
So for me the On-Rev offer is a big deal even if i would not use the rev
things. But of course i will use it. ;)
I already moved 2 Domains to On-Rev - more will follow.
Btw.: Problems with moving a .de Domain to On-Rev due to restrictions of Denic
(responsible for .de domains)or special mx entries in the on-rev nameserver
were solved very fast. Thanks Heather!
All the best,
Matthias
Original Message
Subject: [OT] Opinions about On-Rev (17-Apr-2009 14:21)
From:Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com
I would like some opinions on the new on-Rev offer.
This offer is very timely as I've been telling myself I 'need' to have a
web
presence. ('need' as in my wife needs a new dress or I need a new gadget).
I
guess I'm a bit like Marian in this regard, a bit of a neophyte when it
comes to cgi, php etc; so as a Mac user MobileMe probably sounds like the
web solution.
But having said that, I do consider MobileMe more for my mother than for me.
I do dabble in mySQL and can have it work across a LAN, and have even
tested
it over a WAN, but without a hosting service a one off test was all it was.
I know that a few here recommend Dreamhost. At the moment the only
deficiencies that I've noted from a quick scan is that on-Rev doesn't list
QuickTime/RealAudio support, but I get the impression that such holes will
be filled rapidly.
I'm probably not the prime target for on-Rev, but I don't consider myself
the prime target for Revolution either. I love Rev and I can see that if
on-Rev can minimise the need for PHP, CGI and javascript knowledge, I could
really enjoy working in on-Rev as well.
So I was wondering if some kind List members would share their thoughts on
the pros and cons, the haves and have-nots - excluding cost as I don't want
this to be an issue, ie if you can't afford on-Rev right now but think it's
a great offer I'd like to know why, just the same as if you can afford
on-Rev but aren't interested I'd like to know why. I'm looking more at the
personal/family end of the spectrum rather than the business perspective.
Will on-Rev = Dreamhost? If not, why not. What will on-Rev provide that I'
ll
never get from MobileMe and what will MobileMe provide that I'll never be
able to do with on-Rev?
Thanks in advance for all those that share their thoughts.
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Hi Kay, Here at Altuit (Chris and I), we have a bit of everything, JaquarPC (like DreamHost) for Rev cgi's, our own half rack of equipment at the data centere DataFoundry, and some other 'niche' server ISP's like Screencast.com. Sorry, we don't use MobileMe or iPhones, (prefer to use Google's own syncing software) so I can't comment on that. I decided to sign up for On-Rev for the following reasons: 1. RR the company. In the past they've always provided great customer service, and that tends to be a touchy issue for many budget hosting companies. 2. RR's implementation of Rev on their servers. Now I no longer need to keep Andre awake at night with Skype calls and GoToMeeting sessions, trying to figure out what new installation problem I've created for myself at JaquarPC. Plus, I get to embed rev directly into pages, which is simpler for me than asp or php. I'm looking forward to installing WordPress (one-click Fantastico install) and futzing around with their templates using some Rev for things like rotating banners, etc.. 3. One time fee forever. Certainly, if you use it more than a few years, it's a GREAT deal. But more importantly, it's hassle free. No more your card is expired or actual shut down of your domain for non-payment, even though it was set to automatically renew (happened to me with one such hosting company which I don't use anymore!). 4. Friendly forums where I know most everyone. 5. Multiple domains. I have a handful of domains I've collected over the years. My experience is most hosting companies allow you one domain per budget account. This can get expensive if you're trying to manage multiple domains. 6. Rev takes PayPal 7. Datacenter is in the U.S. and not Scotland ;-) These reasons were enough to convince me to sign up. I'm not sure I'll be doing anything right away, other than a few 'hello world' tests, but I expect to be running a blog or two withing the coming months from On-Rev. HTH. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hi all, I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. TIA, Joe Wilkins On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:59 AM, runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote: Hi, i was considering about extending my web package here at a german isp, just before the On-Rev offer jumped in. At the moment i am paying 130,--Euros for a 5GB Hosting Package with unlimited Subdomains, 1000 Domains (yearly domain fees not included), 100 FTP-Accounts, 1000 Pop3 Accounts, 100 MySQL DB without possibility to use Rev as a cgi, because of security concerns of my isp. So for me the On-Rev offer is a big deal even if i would not use the rev things. But of course i will use it. ;) I already moved 2 Domains to On-Rev - more will follow. Btw.: Problems with moving a .de Domain to On-Rev due to restrictions of Denic (responsible for .de domains)or special mx entries in the on-rev nameserver were solved very fast. Thanks Heather! All the best, Matthias ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I have never had a website so it is all new to me. -=JB=- On Apr 17, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi all, I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. TIA, Joe Wilkins On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:59 AM, runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote: Hi, i was considering about extending my web package here at a german isp, just before the On-Rev offer jumped in. At the moment i am paying 130,--Euros for a 5GB Hosting Package with unlimited Subdomains, 1000 Domains (yearly domain fees not included),100 FTP-Accounts, 1000 Pop3 Accounts, 100 MySQL DB without possibility to use Rev as a cgi, because of security concerns of my isp. So for me the On-Rev offer is a big deal even if i would not use the rev things. But of course i will use it. ;) I already moved 2 Domains to On-Rev - more will follow. Btw.: Problems with moving a .de Domain to On-Rev due to restrictions of Denic (responsible for .de domains)or special mx entries in the on-rev nameserver were solved very fast. Thanks Heather! All the best, Matthias ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Obviously, I meant cite instead of sight, though I thought it made sense at the time. JW On Apr 17, 2009, at 1:04 PM, -= JB =- wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Hi all, I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. TIA, Joe Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Obviously, I meant cite instead of sight, though I thought it made sense at the time. You'd like someone to cite some information that would explain why catching sight of a site on on-rev would be a good thing? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Le 17 avr. 09 à 21:56, Joe Lewis Wilkins a écrit : Hi all, I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. TIA, Joe Wilkins Thanks Joe, we are two (I am with you, in the dark, ;-))) Best regards from Grenoble André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Isn't English the craziest language in the world? You've just hit on one of my pet peeves. In programming we call it overloading I think. In English it is just plain stupid and something I wish we'd get away from some day. Fat chance. JW On Apr 17, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Obviously, I meant cite instead of sight, though I thought it made sense at the time. You'd like someone to cite some information that would explain why catching sight of a site on on-rev would be a good thing? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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A billion people speaking esperanto? - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/4/17 Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net Isn't English the craziest language in the world? You've just hit on one of my pet peeves. In programming we call it overloading I think. In English it is just plain stupid and something I wish we'd get away from some day. Fat chance. JW On Apr 17, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Obviously, I meant cite instead of sight, though I thought it made sense at the time. You'd like someone to cite some information that would explain why catching sight of a site on on-rev would be a good thing? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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About Dreamhost and On-Rev, in case someone's wavering between the two. Rev-cgi work is an important element of my business. And I have been relying for 2 - 3 years now on Dreamhost (and another webhost before that). However I have decided to switch to On-Rev. In part because of the price, but mostly because On-Rev is run by the Rev people. Not that the Dreamhost people aren't helpful, or their uptime isn't reliable. And setting up things for Rev-cgi was as simple as other Rev-users on Dreamhost had said. However, problems between the Rev engine and the Dreamhost server machines do happen. And when they do, communicating the problem to Dreamhost staff is difficult, no matter how good their intentions. Case in point, just last month, when, after my account with Dreamhost was moved to a new server, my Rev-cgi suddenly stopped working. A missing Apache library it turned out. But I only learnt that, as well as the workaround solution, not through Dreamhost staff but rather from the generous help of people on the Rev mailing list. A very lng four days, those were! -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. It's kind of hard to explain if you don't create web pages or have a familiarity with how they are written. But in a nutshell, web pages written in pure HTML are static. Whenever you see a page that does something dynamic -- buttons with different rollover states, data that changes depending on live user input, dynamic content of any type -- those actions must be scripted into the page using a second, scripted language like JavaScript or PHP. The scripted language is integrated into the same page as the HTML code and the server interprets the scripts and shows you dynamic content. Up until now, anyone who wanted dynamic content on a web page had to learn one of those other languages. What has just happened is that Runtime has figured out a way to allow a web server to work with our familiar xtalk, and allow that to be embedded into a web page instead of one of the other languages. This is big stuff. The server needs to be set up in a particular way to allow this, and as of now, only Runtime has that setup in place. They have made their web service available so we can take advantage of this new capability. Their setup pretty much matches industry standards in terms of features and capability -- except for this remarkable scripting feature which no one else has. There is nothing to lose by changing to Runtime's web hosting service, and everything to gain if you want to write web pages using the language we know and love. For years now, the Rev engine has always had the capability to work with a server as long as it was set up as a CGI service. This is a complicated and tedious task in general, but once it was set up it works well. (This method isn't going away, by the way. It will still be functional for those who want it.) However, with the new HTML-integrated capabilities, CGIs are no longer needed. You can write HTML and Rev script in the same web page and your users will see content based on whatever your scripts do. You don't have to worry about any of the complexities of CGIs because none of that matters any more (permissions, engines, Apache installation, missing libraries, line endings, etc. All moot now.) Anyone who's had to work with the old-style CGIs will find the new method liberating. One of the hardest things to do was debug a CGI; it was very much like working with HC version 1.0 where the only way to know what a variable contained was to put its contents into the message box. If you got a script error, it was up to you to figure out the problem, because the clues were sparse if they existed at all. That's all over with now. RR provides a live debugger that lets you step through the scripts on a web page just as though you were working in a stack. That alone is worth the price of admission for web page authors. For me, I haven't seen such a cool thing since I was gobsmacked by the ability to run a stack from a remote server in one line of script. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Hi Jaqui, I don't want anyone to miss this. I had just spent about two weeks learning JavaScript for exactly the reasons you've just cited. (smile) Thank you for the timely, informative explanation. This does mean that on-rev has to be the hosting site for the webpages, however, does it not? In other words, a client could not hire one of us to create a website that they plan to run on, say, GoDaddy. In that case we'd still have to use php or JavaScript for interactive features. Correct? I still don't have a really good picture of the process since I've done this so few times. Joe Wilkins On Apr 17, 2009, at 6:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. It's kind of hard to explain if you don't create web pages or have a familiarity with how they are written. But in a nutshell, web pages written in pure HTML are static. Whenever you see a page that does something dynamic -- buttons with different rollover states, data that changes depending on live user input, dynamic content of any type -- those actions must be scripted into the page using a second, scripted language like JavaScript or PHP. The scripted language is integrated into the same page as the HTML code and the server interprets the scripts and shows you dynamic content. Up until now, anyone who wanted dynamic content on a web page had to learn one of those other languages. What has just happened is that Runtime has figured out a way to allow a web server to work with our familiar xtalk, and allow that to be embedded into a web page instead of one of the other languages. This is big stuff. The server needs to be set up in a particular way to allow this, and as of now, only Runtime has that setup in place. They have made their web service available so we can take advantage of this new capability. Their setup pretty much matches industry standards in terms of features and capability -- except for this remarkable scripting feature which no one else has. There is nothing to lose by changing to Runtime's web hosting service, and everything to gain if you want to write web pages using the language we know and love. For years now, the Rev engine has always had the capability to work with a server as long as it was set up as a CGI service. This is a complicated and tedious task in general, but once it was set up it works well. (This method isn't going away, by the way. It will still be functional for those who want it.) However, with the new HTML- integrated capabilities, CGIs are no longer needed. You can write HTML and Rev script in the same web page and your users will see content based on whatever your scripts do. You don't have to worry about any of the complexities of CGIs because none of that matters any more (permissions, engines, Apache installation, missing libraries, line endings, etc. All moot now.) Anyone who's had to work with the old-style CGIs will find the new method liberating. One of the hardest things to do was debug a CGI; it was very much like working with HC version 1.0 where the only way to know what a variable contained was to put its contents into the message box. If you got a script error, it was up to you to figure out the problem, because the clues were sparse if they existed at all. That's all over with now. RR provides a live debugger that lets you step through the scripts on a web page just as though you were working in a stack. That alone is worth the price of admission for web page authors. For me, I haven't seen such a cool thing since I was gobsmacked by the ability to run a stack from a remote server in one line of script. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com Joe Lewis Wilkins Architect Director of Product Development for GSI 760-738-1721 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Thanks for the info Jacque. It really explains a lot I didn't know. -=JB=- On Apr 17, 2009, at 6:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: I have found this whole subject so far over my head that I'm embarrassed. Can anyone sight some sort of reference that just might get me off of my desktop. I am s uneducated on this topic. Simply stated, what's this for, why is it needed and what does it let us do that we can do now? There MUST be others who are just as much in the dark. It's kind of hard to explain if you don't create web pages or have a familiarity with how they are written. But in a nutshell, web pages written in pure HTML are static. Whenever you see a page that does something dynamic -- buttons with different rollover states, data that changes depending on live user input, dynamic content of any type -- those actions must be scripted into the page using a second, scripted language like JavaScript or PHP. The scripted language is integrated into the same page as the HTML code and the server interprets the scripts and shows you dynamic content. Up until now, anyone who wanted dynamic content on a web page had to learn one of those other languages. What has just happened is that Runtime has figured out a way to allow a web server to work with our familiar xtalk, and allow that to be embedded into a web page instead of one of the other languages. This is big stuff. The server needs to be set up in a particular way to allow this, and as of now, only Runtime has that setup in place. They have made their web service available so we can take advantage of this new capability. Their setup pretty much matches industry standards in terms of features and capability -- except for this remarkable scripting feature which no one else has. There is nothing to lose by changing to Runtime's web hosting service, and everything to gain if you want to write web pages using the language we know and love. For years now, the Rev engine has always had the capability to work with a server as long as it was set up as a CGI service. This is a complicated and tedious task in general, but once it was set up it works well. (This method isn't going away, by the way. It will still be functional for those who want it.) However, with the new HTML-integrated capabilities, CGIs are no longer needed. You can write HTML and Rev script in the same web page and your users will see content based on whatever your scripts do. You don't have to worry about any of the complexities of CGIs because none of that matters any more (permissions, engines, Apache installation, missing libraries, line endings, etc. All moot now.) Anyone who's had to work with the old-style CGIs will find the new method liberating. One of the hardest things to do was debug a CGI; it was very much like working with HC version 1.0 where the only way to know what a variable contained was to put its contents into the message box. If you got a script error, it was up to you to figure out the problem, because the clues were sparse if they existed at all. That's all over with now. RR provides a live debugger that lets you step through the scripts on a web page just as though you were working in a stack. That alone is worth the price of admission for web page authors. For me, I haven't seen such a cool thing since I was gobsmacked by the ability to run a stack from a remote server in one line of script. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I just wanted to quickly pass on my thanks to the many people who've posted their thoughts. I've been busy so I didn't want people to think I was rude for not replying to their responses, I've only just now got 5 min to sit at a computer before I have to hit the grindstone again. Hopefully on Monday I'll have more time to sit down sift through everything and respond appropriately. Thanks so much :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
