Re: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
2010/1/20 Josh Mellicker j...@dvcreators.net My personal opinion is that doing anything with a physical DVD in 2010 is kind of like starting a horse buggy company in 1900. Before too long, a physical DVD will seem as quaint as an audio CD is today Yep - can I quote you on this :) I need as many facts, figures and quotes as possible to convince these guys that their business model is dead. Since the pitch is to a DVD distribution company, and is in essence a strategy towards moving them from their existing distribution based model onto a community model - the idea is to get people who purchase the DVD to join the community / go online. Printing something on the cover is maybe all that is needed - but embedding some hidden assets in the DVD may be part of the fun here. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:33 AM, David Bovill david.bov...@gmail.com wrote: Printing something on the cover is maybe all that is needed - but embedding some hidden assets in the DVD may be part of the fun here. I hope that if a request came up on a Director email list, and the best answer to the request was for Rev to be used instead of Director, I would tell them to use Rev! Here we have the opposite situation. One of Director's abilities us that it can control the DVD-Video in your computer. You can make an interactive activity that includes the DVD quality video from any DVD- Video disc, not just ones that have files copied onto the ROM part of the disc. It also works in a browser. You could do a site that had bonus features even for old titles, and directly control the associated DVD. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
Thanks Colin - that's the sort of thing I was thinking - but I'm not clear what your are saying here with regard to Director? Is it that you have already done this with Director - are there some plugins that can be used? I would have thought that we could get Rev to Script both the PC and the OSX built in DVD players, but also it should be possible to directly control DVD play back with VLC or Mplayer scripted from Rev - and so a revWeb plugin? 2010/1/20 Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net On Jan 20, 2010, at 4:33 AM, David Bovill david.bov...@gmail.com wrote: Printing something on the cover is maybe all that is needed - but embedding some hidden assets in the DVD may be part of the fun here. I hope that if a request came up on a Director email list, and the best answer to the request was for Rev to be used instead of Director, I would tell them to use Rev! Here we have the opposite situation. One of Director's abilities us that it can control the DVD-Video in your computer. You can make an interactive activity that includes the DVD quality video from any DVD-Video disc, not just ones that have files copied onto the ROM part of the disc. It also works in a browser. You could do a site that had bonus features even for old titles, and directly control the associated DVD.___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
On Jan 20, 2010, at 9:30 AM, David Bovill wrote: Is it that you have already done this with Director - are there some plugins that can be used? Yes, I made a Director file to access the Criterion version of This Is Spinal Tap (I programmed the CD-ROM version). It runs inside a browser using the standard Shockwave plugin, that about 60% of people have. Installed. The neat part is that the video appears within the shockwave movie, it's not invoking VLC or some other way to overly another application. It just uses the systems default DVD player technology. Not sure if Rev could do a similar thing, at least inside browsers. Having said all that, there was a shockwave update today, and it may have broken the DVD-Video ability! I'll ask the authorities. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: Having said all that, there was a shockwave update today, and it may have broken the DVD-Video ability! I'll ask the authorities. False alarm, I was looking at the wrong link. Here's my test, you can put in any DVD-Video and it might do something, but it would only do the right thing if you're using the Criterion This Is Spinal Tap DVD-Video: http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/dcr/stdvd.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
Not so much a compatibility problem but a delivery issue. I used to churn out the cd-rom apps with video (which is similar to what you're describing), years ago, now my clients request web delivery. I've found there's no such thing as 'plain ol dvd players'. Many PCs still don't have them, if they do they sometimes don't have the grunt to run them. Then you have Win Media player auto opening some movie files at times. If you are going to play DVD movies (i think this is what you're suggesting) and have a separate rev app, then I'd say no-one will see your app. The movie will play and the app is forgotten. You need to run the movies from within the app, so you have one interface delivering all components. Even then many of my cd-rom and dvd products have made great coasters ;-) Auto-boot: problematic. On a Mac a DVD movie will open in DVD Player, on a PC win media player usually open the dvd and people have problems. VLC is better on PCs but there are other options. The rev app can autostart on a PC but you may have problems doing the same on a mac. I've seen a few of these type of media around but, in my experience, if it's not simple it won't work. hope this helps, lots more info on this topic cheers chris On 19/01/2010, at 5:28 AM, David Bovill wrote: Thanks all - seems unproblematic then? I'm a little worried that I'll break compatibility with plain old DVD players. I'm a little intrigued by this, as something doesn't stack up - which is why I assumed there would be a problem doing this with DVD's. Where does this argument go wrong: 1. It is straight forward to author (Rev) apps, that sit on a DVD in such a way that the DVD plays normally on a DVD player and the app auto- boots when inserted into a PC / laptop. 2. The (Rev) app can offer additional interactivity / games / features to the plain DVD adding value to the DVD 3. Rev apps could offer cross-platform interactive video 4. There are quite a number of videos / documentaries that don't take up the full DVD disk space - leaving room for H264 encoded interactive video applications 5. Consumers would benefit from the additional features. Publishers could create apps that easkily build communities around the DVD. 6. There should be quite a few of these hybrid beasts out there... but there aren't? Which makes me think there is a compatibility problem doing this? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
2010/1/19 chris livermore cont...@kipmedia.com Not so much a compatibility problem but a delivery issue. I used to churn out the cd-rom apps with video (which is similar to what you're describing), years ago, now my clients request web delivery. Yes - I've made CD-ROM apps like this - and yes they were mainly coasters :) I've found there's no such thing as 'plain ol dvd players'. Many PCs still don't have them, if they do they sometimes don't have the grunt to run them. Then you have Win Media player auto opening some movie files at times. If you are going to play DVD movies (i think this is what you're suggesting) and have a separate rev app, then I'd say no-one will see your app. The movie will play and the app is forgotten. You need to run the movies from within the app, so you have one interface delivering all components. Even then many of my cd-rom and dvd products have made great coasters ;-) For this to work 1. the DVD must work without any problems as a normal DVD in DVD rental and sales outlets without it not playing on some machines because it also has a Rev app on it. 2. when played on a a good laptop or PC a motivated user should be able to launch the Rev app by reading the instructions on the DVD cover Auto-boot: problematic. On a Mac a DVD movie will open in DVD Player, on a PC win media player usually open the dvd and people have problems. VLC is better on PCs but there are other options. The rev app can autostart on a PC but you may have problems doing the same on a mac. Ideally it would auto-boot to the Rev app on a PC and not the DVD player - though this seems like it would be a mess. So - I think it would be OK if the DVD player launched and you would have to quit that before looking for the Rev app on the DVD. I've seen a few of these type of media around but, in my experience, if it's not simple it won't work. Tricky is OK - as it would be a competition / game with a prize. The main thing is not to muck up the basic DVD functionality. hope this helps, lots more info on this topic Yes - thanks. Any links / references would be useful. My main nightmare would be to pitch this and get the client to print loads of DVD's which would not play in some consumer DVD players. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
Yes - thanks. Any links / references would be useful. My main nightmare would be to pitch this and get the client to print loads of DVD's which would not play in some consumer DVD players. As long as a DVD has a properly authored formatted VIDEO_TS folder it will play on most any DVD player. You can put whatever else you want on the DVD - software, PDFs, whatever. There are startup problems with computers as mentioned, where DVD players will auto-launch, making for a bad customer experience when putting a DVD into computers, which is why many companies don't pursue this, and most consumers don't put enhanced DVDs in their computers. A DVD goes in a DVD player, a DVD-ROM goes in a computer. My personal opinion is that doing anything with a physical DVD in 2010 is kind of like starting a horse buggy company in 1900. Before too long, a physical DVD will seem as quaint as an audio CD is today.___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
Thanks all - seems unproblematic then? I'm a little worried that I'll break compatibility with plain old DVD players. I'm a little intrigued by this, as something doesn't stack up - which is why I assumed there would be a problem doing this with DVD's. Where does this argument go wrong: 1. It is straight forward to author (Rev) apps, that sit on a DVD in such a way that the DVD plays normally on a DVD player and the app auto-boots when inserted into a PC / laptop. 2. The (Rev) app can offer additional interactivity / games / features to the plain DVD adding value to the DVD 3. Rev apps could offer cross-platform interactive video 4. There are quite a number of videos / documentaries that don't take up the full DVD disk space - leaving room for H264 encoded interactive video applications 5. Consumers would benefit from the additional features. Publishers could create apps that easkily build communities around the DVD. 6. There should be quite a few of these hybrid beasts out there... but there aren't? Which makes me think there is a compatibility problem doing this? 2010/1/18 chris livermore cont...@kipmedia.com a UDF dvd format is what you're after. if you're using Toast - select the Data/DVD-ROM (UDF) option If you build in DVD Studio Pro you can create links to content on the DVD or the internet. I'm unsure as to whether you can link to a Rev app (from the DVD menu) but it can certainly be on the dvd disc, along with anything else (pdfs, docs, images etc) cheers chris On 18/01/2010, at 3:27 PM, stephen barncard wrote: I am sure one can create multi-session DVDs just like you can for CDs. I'd experiment around with a copy of Toast (or Nero) and see what files those apps put in . - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/17 David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tv Does anyone know of the low down on creating DVD's that will play as normal video DVD's - but that also contain computer data and software such as a Rev application? I've not done this with DVD's, and thought actually it would not work or I'd have seen more of the beasts - this is a quote I found in searching (though most searches turn up refs to DVD editing software): you just need to creat the DVD on an hard disk with the video_ts folder, then add the folder with the data and burn all as a video DVD (with nero for example). putting an autorun in the root of the disk will lauch something for PC so the user does not need to navigate to some file manually. I know I'm going to have problems playing the DVD video data from within Rev, but forgetting that issue for now - would creating this data folder create any issues for normal DVD players? Has anyone done this you know of? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
I am sure one can create multi-session DVDs just like you can for CDs. I'd experiment around with a copy of Toast (or Nero) and see what files those apps put in . - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/17 David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tv Does anyone know of the low down on creating DVD's that will play as normal video DVD's - but that also contain computer data and software such as a Rev application? I've not done this with DVD's, and thought actually it would not work or I'd have seen more of the beasts - this is a quote I found in searching (though most searches turn up refs to DVD editing software): you just need to creat the DVD on an hard disk with the video_ts folder, then add the folder with the data and burn all as a video DVD (with nero for example). putting an autorun in the root of the disk will lauch something for PC so the user does not need to navigate to some file manually. I know I'm going to have problems playing the DVD video data from within Rev, but forgetting that issue for now - would creating this data folder create any issues for normal DVD players? Has anyone done this you know of? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
hdutil in the shell - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/17 stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com I am sure one can create multi-session DVDs just like you can for CDs. I'd experiment around with a copy of Toast (or Nero) and see what files those apps put in . - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/17 David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tv Does anyone know of the low down on creating DVD's that will play as normal video DVD's - but that also contain computer data and software such as a Rev application? I've not done this with DVD's, and thought actually it would not work or I'd have seen more of the beasts - this is a quote I found in searching (though most searches turn up refs to DVD editing software): you just need to creat the DVD on an hard disk with the video_ts folder, then add the folder with the data and burn all as a video DVD (with nero for example). putting an autorun in the root of the disk will lauch something for PC so the user does not need to navigate to some file manually. I know I'm going to have problems playing the DVD video data from within Rev, but forgetting that issue for now - would creating this data folder create any issues for normal DVD players? Has anyone done this you know of? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Normal video DVD's with Rev applications on them?
a UDF dvd format is what you're after. if you're using Toast - select the Data/DVD-ROM (UDF) option If you build in DVD Studio Pro you can create links to content on the DVD or the internet. I'm unsure as to whether you can link to a Rev app (from the DVD menu) but it can certainly be on the dvd disc, along with anything else (pdfs, docs, images etc) cheers chris On 18/01/2010, at 3:27 PM, stephen barncard wrote: I am sure one can create multi-session DVDs just like you can for CDs. I'd experiment around with a copy of Toast (or Nero) and see what files those apps put in . - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2010/1/17 David Bovill da...@vaudevillecourt.tv Does anyone know of the low down on creating DVD's that will play as normal video DVD's - but that also contain computer data and software such as a Rev application? I've not done this with DVD's, and thought actually it would not work or I'd have seen more of the beasts - this is a quote I found in searching (though most searches turn up refs to DVD editing software): you just need to creat the DVD on an hard disk with the video_ts folder, then add the folder with the data and burn all as a video DVD (with nero for example). putting an autorun in the root of the disk will lauch something for PC so the user does not need to navigate to some file manually. I know I'm going to have problems playing the DVD video data from within Rev, but forgetting that issue for now - would creating this data folder create any issues for normal DVD players? Has anyone done this you know of? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Chris Livermore - Project Manager - www.kipmedia.com Mobile 0439 738 435 cont...@kipmedia.com __ B.Sc., Dip.Biol.Sc., Dip.Prof.Comm (multimedia). - Scientific/Medical - multimedia education training - online databases, websites, cd, dvd, video __ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
