Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2
Hello Hugo, Thanks for your quick turn around on this. I would be more then happy to assist Jacques in managing stuff at nabble. If it is doable and not too much difficult then can you please add me as a *second* Moderator in Nabble for OFBiz project? Thanks! -- Ashish On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Hugo Nabble (via Nabble) ml-user+36-958522...@n2.nabble.com ml-user%2b36-958522...@n2.nabble.comwrote: Hi Jacques, the migration is complete and you are now the owner of those forums. __ View message @ http://n2.nabble.com/Please-Migrate-Apache-OFBiz-forums-to-Nabble2-tp1657283p3811654.html To unsubscribe from Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2, click http://n2.nabble.com/subscriptions/Unsubscribe.jtp?code=dXNlckBvZmJpei5hcGFjaGUub3JnfDM3OTk0NTF8MTgwODgwNTgwNQ==
Re: Error
You can try importing this from webtools, I guess this would help. DateDimension dimensionId=_NA_ description=Date Not Set. lastUpdatedStamp=2009-05-29 14:15:17.409 lastUpdatedTxStamp=2009-05-29 14:15:17.299 createdStamp=2009-05-22 11:02:36.596 createdTxStamp=2009-05-22 11:02:36.559/ DateDimension dimensionId=_NF_ description=Date Not Found. lastUpdatedStamp=2009-05-29 14:15:17.406 lastUpdatedTxStamp=2009-05-29 14:15:17.299 createdStamp=2009-05-22 11:02:36.589 createdTxStamp=2009-05-22 11:02:36.559/ On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:13 PM, toanils...@gmail.com wrote: Abhijeet, Its a foreign key constraint between SalesInvoiceItemFact and DateDimension entities, it means you are trying to insert some record in SalesInvoiceItemFact entity for which dimensionId is not exist in DateDimension. So first insert required entries in DateDimension entity then in SalesInvoiceItemFact entity. I would suggest to look into specialpurpose/bi/entitydef/entitymodel.xml for more information. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Abhijeet Pandey abhijeet.pan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Please help me with this? What is the cause and solution of this error. Error trying to begin transaction, could not process method: The current transaction is marked for rollback, not beginning a new transaction and aborting current operation; the rollbackOnly was caused by: Failure in create operation for entity [SalesInvoiceItemFact]: org.ofbiz.entity.GenericEntityException: Error while inserting: [GenericEntity:SalesInvoiceItemFact][billToCustomerDimId,_NA_(java.lang.String)][createdStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:18.17(java.sql.Timestamp)][createdTxStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:10.003(java.sql.Timestamp)][invoiceDateDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)][invoiceId,CI7(java.lang.String)][invoiceItemSeqId,1(java.lang.String)][lastUpdatedStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:18.17(java.sql.Timestamp)][lastUpdatedTxStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:10.003(java.sql.Timestamp)][orderId,_NA_(java.lang.String)][origCurrencyDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)][productDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)] (SQL Exception while executing the following:INSERT INTO OFBIZ.SALES_INVOICE_ITEM_FACT (INVOICE_ID, INVOICE_ITEM_SEQ_ID, ORDER_ID, INVOICE_DATE_DIM_ID, PRODUCT_DIM_ID, BILL_TO_CUSTOMER_DIM_ID, ORIG_CURRENCY_DIM_ID, QUANTITY, EXT_GROSS_AMOUNT, EXT_DISCOUNT_AMOUNT, EXT_NET_AMOUNT, EXT_TAX_AMOUNT, EXT_MAN_FIXED_COST, EXT_MAN_VAR_COST, EXT_STORAGE_COST, EXT_DISTRIBUTION_COST, CONTRIBUTION_AMOUNT, LAST_UPDATED_STAMP, LAST_UPDATED_TX_STAMP, CREATED_STAMP, CREATED_TX_STAMP) VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?) (INSERT on table 'SALES_INVOICE_ITEM_FACT' caused a violation of foreign key constraint 'SIIF_INVDATE' for key (_NF_). The statement has been rolled back.)). Rolling back transaction.org.ofbiz.entity.GenericEntityException: Error while inserting: [GenericEntity:SalesInvoiceItemFact][billToCustomerDimId,_NA_(java.lang.String)][createdStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:18.17(java.sql.Timestamp)][createdTxStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:10.003(java.sql.Timestamp)][invoiceDateDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)][invoiceId,CI7(java.lang.String)][invoiceItemSeqId,1(java.lang.String)][lastUpdatedStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:18.17(java.sql.Timestamp)][lastUpdatedTxStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:10.003(java.sql.Timestamp)][orderId,_NA_(java.lang.String)][origCurrencyDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)][productDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)] (SQL Exception while executing the following:INSERT INTO OFBIZ.SALES_INVOICE_ITEM_FACT (INVOICE_ID, INVOICE_ITEM_SEQ_ID, ORDER_ID, INVOICE_DATE_DIM_ID, PRODUCT_DIM_ID, BILL_TO_CUSTOMER_DIM_ID, ORIG_CURRENCY_DIM_ID, QUANTITY, EXT_GROSS_AMOUNT, EXT_DISCOUNT_AMOUNT, EXT_NET_AMOUNT, EXT_TAX_AMOUNT, EXT_MAN_FIXED_COST, EXT_MAN_VAR_COST, EXT_STORAGE_COST, EXT_DISTRIBUTION_COST, CONTRIBUTION_AMOUNT, LAST_UPDATED_STAMP, LAST_UPDATED_TX_STAMP, CREATED_STAMP, CREATED_TX_STAMP) VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?) (INSERT on table 'SALES_INVOICE_ITEM_FACT' caused a violation of foreign key constraint 'SIIF_INVDATE' for key (_NF_). The statement has been rolled back.)) (Error while inserting: [GenericEntity:SalesInvoiceItemFact][billToCustomerDimId,_NA_(java.lang.String)][createdStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:18.17(java.sql.Timestamp)][createdTxStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:10.003(java.sql.Timestamp)][invoiceDateDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)][invoiceId,CI7(java.lang.String)][invoiceItemSeqId,1(java.lang.String)][lastUpdatedStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:18.17(java.sql.Timestamp)][lastUpdatedTxStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:10.003(java.sql.Timestamp)][orderId,_NA_(java.lang.String)][origCurrencyDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)][productDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)] (SQL Exception while executing the following:INSERT INTO OFBIZ.SALES_INVOICE_ITEM_FACT (INVOICE_ID, INVOICE_ITEM_SEQ_ID, ORDER_ID, INVOICE_DATE_DIM_ID, PRODUCT_DIM_ID, BILL_TO_CUSTOMER_DIM_ID,
Re: Error
Abhijeet, Its a foreign key constraint between SalesInvoiceItemFact and DateDimension entities, it means you are trying to insert some record in SalesInvoiceItemFact entity for which dimensionId is not exist in DateDimension. So first insert required entries in DateDimension entity then in SalesInvoiceItemFact entity. I would suggest to look into specialpurpose/bi/entitydef/entitymodel.xml for more information. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Abhijeet Pandey abhijeet.pan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Please help me with this? What is the cause and solution of this error. Error trying to begin transaction, could not process method: The current transaction is marked for rollback, not beginning a new transaction and aborting current operation; the rollbackOnly was caused by: Failure in create operation for entity [SalesInvoiceItemFact]: org.ofbiz.entity.GenericEntityException: Error while inserting: [GenericEntity:SalesInvoiceItemFact][billToCustomerDimId,_NA_(java.lang.String)][createdStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:18.17(java.sql.Timestamp)][createdTxStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:10.003(java.sql.Timestamp)][invoiceDateDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)][invoiceId,CI7(java.lang.String)][invoiceItemSeqId,1(java.lang.String)][lastUpdatedStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:18.17(java.sql.Timestamp)][lastUpdatedTxStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:10.003(java.sql.Timestamp)][orderId,_NA_(java.lang.String)][origCurrencyDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)][productDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)] (SQL Exception while executing the following:INSERT INTO OFBIZ.SALES_INVOICE_ITEM_FACT (INVOICE_ID, INVOICE_ITEM_SEQ_ID, ORDER_ID, INVOICE_DATE_DIM_ID, PRODUCT_DIM_ID, BILL_TO_CUSTOMER_DIM_ID, ORIG_CURRENCY_DIM_ID, QUANTITY, EXT_GROSS_AMOUNT, EXT_DISCOUNT_AMOUNT, EXT_NET_AMOUNT, EXT_TAX_AMOUNT, EXT_MAN_FIXED_COST, EXT_MAN_VAR_COST, EXT_STORAGE_COST, EXT_DISTRIBUTION_COST, CONTRIBUTION_AMOUNT, LAST_UPDATED_STAMP, LAST_UPDATED_TX_STAMP, CREATED_STAMP, CREATED_TX_STAMP) VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?) (INSERT on table 'SALES_INVOICE_ITEM_FACT' caused a violation of foreign key constraint 'SIIF_INVDATE' for key (_NF_). The statement has been rolled back.)). Rolling back transaction.org.ofbiz.entity.GenericEntityException: Error while inserting: [GenericEntity:SalesInvoiceItemFact][billToCustomerDimId,_NA_(java.lang.String)][createdStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:18.17(java.sql.Timestamp)][createdTxStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:10.003(java.sql.Timestamp)][invoiceDateDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)][invoiceId,CI7(java.lang.String)][invoiceItemSeqId,1(java.lang.String)][lastUpdatedStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:18.17(java.sql.Timestamp)][lastUpdatedTxStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:10.003(java.sql.Timestamp)][orderId,_NA_(java.lang.String)][origCurrencyDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)][productDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)] (SQL Exception while executing the following:INSERT INTO OFBIZ.SALES_INVOICE_ITEM_FACT (INVOICE_ID, INVOICE_ITEM_SEQ_ID, ORDER_ID, INVOICE_DATE_DIM_ID, PRODUCT_DIM_ID, BILL_TO_CUSTOMER_DIM_ID, ORIG_CURRENCY_DIM_ID, QUANTITY, EXT_GROSS_AMOUNT, EXT_DISCOUNT_AMOUNT, EXT_NET_AMOUNT, EXT_TAX_AMOUNT, EXT_MAN_FIXED_COST, EXT_MAN_VAR_COST, EXT_STORAGE_COST, EXT_DISTRIBUTION_COST, CONTRIBUTION_AMOUNT, LAST_UPDATED_STAMP, LAST_UPDATED_TX_STAMP, CREATED_STAMP, CREATED_TX_STAMP) VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?) (INSERT on table 'SALES_INVOICE_ITEM_FACT' caused a violation of foreign key constraint 'SIIF_INVDATE' for key (_NF_). The statement has been rolled back.)) (Error while inserting: [GenericEntity:SalesInvoiceItemFact][billToCustomerDimId,_NA_(java.lang.String)][createdStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:18.17(java.sql.Timestamp)][createdTxStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:10.003(java.sql.Timestamp)][invoiceDateDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)][invoiceId,CI7(java.lang.String)][invoiceItemSeqId,1(java.lang.String)][lastUpdatedStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:18.17(java.sql.Timestamp)][lastUpdatedTxStamp,2009-10-12 12:29:10.003(java.sql.Timestamp)][orderId,_NA_(java.lang.String)][origCurrencyDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)][productDimId,_NF_(java.lang.String)] (SQL Exception while executing the following:INSERT INTO OFBIZ.SALES_INVOICE_ITEM_FACT (INVOICE_ID, INVOICE_ITEM_SEQ_ID, ORDER_ID, INVOICE_DATE_DIM_ID, PRODUCT_DIM_ID, BILL_TO_CUSTOMER_DIM_ID, ORIG_CURRENCY_DIM_ID, QUANTITY, EXT_GROSS_AMOUNT, EXT_DISCOUNT_AMOUNT, EXT_NET_AMOUNT, EXT_TAX_AMOUNT, EXT_MAN_FIXED_COST, EXT_MAN_VAR_COST, EXT_STORAGE_COST, EXT_DISTRIBUTION_COST, CONTRIBUTION_AMOUNT, LAST_UPDATED_STAMP, LAST_UPDATED_TX_STAMP, CREATED_STAMP, CREATED_TX_STAMP) VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?) (INSERT on table 'SALES_INVOICE_ITEM_FACT' caused a violation of foreign key constraint 'SIIF_INVDATE' for key (_NF_). The statement has been rolled back.))) Please help. -- Abhijeet Pandey -- Anil Soni +91-9930302283cell
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Jacques. When I open Accounting Manager in Bizznesstime theme, and choose Finacial Account, the table List Bank Account appears right of the tab menubar instead of below. It only happens on the Main tab not on Find Finacial Account. If I go to AP, the Main page is very odd looking with headings in wrong places compared to Bluelight. This is with Firefox. Regards Jens
Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2
Thank you Hugo, Really appreciated Jacques __ View message @ http://n2.nabble.com/Please-Migrate-Apache-OFBiz-forums-to-Nabble2-tp1657283p3814331.html To unsubscribe from Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2, click http://n2.nabble.com/subscriptions/Unsubscribe.jtp?code=dXNlckBvZmJpei5hcGFjaGUub3JnfDM3OTk0NTF8MTgwODgwNTgwNQ==
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Jens, Could you please open a Jira sub-task under https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 Simply report what you described below and if possible post an URL for each issue you saw Also report the OS you used, FF is not rendered exactly the same way under Windows or Linux Thanks Jacques From: Jens Oechsler j...@smart-ebizz.com Hi Jacques. When I open Accounting Manager in Bizznesstime theme, and choose Finacial Account, the table List Bank Account appears right of the tab menubar instead of below. It only happens on the Main tab not on Find Finacial Account. If I go to AP, the Main page is very odd looking with headings in wrong places compared to Bluelight. This is with Firefox. Regards Jens
Style images
Hi all, Currently all style images are contained in a folder 'images' under the directory Framework. Shouldn't style images be included in a folder in a theme? Regards, Pierre
Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2
Hello Hugo, Thanks for your quick turn around on this. I would be more then happy to assist Jacques in managing stuff at nabble. If it is doable and not too much difficult then can you please add me as a *second* Moderator in Nabble for OFBiz project? Thanks! -- Regards Ashish Vijaywargiya __ View message @ http://n2.nabble.com/Please-Migrate-Apache-OFBiz-forums-to-Nabble2-tp1657283p3814945.html To unsubscribe from Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2, click http://n2.nabble.com/subscriptions/Unsubscribe.jtp?code=dXNlckBvZmJpei5hcGFjaGUub3JnfDM3OTk0NTF8MTgwODgwNTgwNQ==
Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2
Hi Hugo, I support Ashish's demand Thanks Jacques __ View message @ http://n2.nabble.com/Please-Migrate-Apache-OFBiz-forums-to-Nabble2-tp1657283p3815051.html To unsubscribe from Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2, click http://n2.nabble.com/subscriptions/Unsubscribe.jtp?code=dXNlckBvZmJpei5hcGFjaGUub3JnfDM3OTk0NTF8MTgwODgwNTgwNQ==
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the return of Flat Grey as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
3 products by lihe in eCommerce
Hi, At least, Ruth and Chris Snow have complained about the new 3 products by line on the eCommerce page. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2602 So I'd like to know people's opinions about that since nobody seems to have a fix for it : should we revert to one product by line ? Thanks Jacques
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Jacques, I don't like the Bizness Time as a default. It uses to much real estate (pixel-wise) for menu items. It is huge on a 1024x768 screen. Even with my second monitor set to 1280x1024 it looks like it wastes space. I always revert to flatgray as it gives me more data on the screen. It seems to me that the layout is more logic to me. But even there some improvements can be made. E.g. in SFA-accounts the search fields could be spread more horizontally than it is now. And I guess that can be said for more layouts. Regards, Pierre 2009/10/12 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
Order Information still shows Sales Tax instead of 'Excise Duty'
Hi I have created a Excise Duty in the TaxAuthorityRateType for the Indian customer . Added an entry in to TaxAuthorityRateProduct for Ecommerce store. Created DemoIndianCustomer with Indian Adrress. here is some XML data TaxAuthorityRateType taxAuthorityRateTypeId=EXCISE_DUTY description=Excise Duty/ TaxAuthority taxAuthGeoId=IND taxAuthPartyId=INDIA_EXCISEDUTY includeTaxInPrice=N/ TaxAuthorityGlAccount taxAuthGeoId=IND taxAuthPartyId=INDIA_EXCISEDUTY organizationPartyId=Company glAccountId=25/ TaxAuthorityRateProduct taxAuthorityRateSeqId=9100 taxAuthGeoId=IND taxAuthPartyId=INDIA_EXCISEDUTY taxAuthorityRateTypeId=EXCISE_DUTY productCategoryId= titleTransferEnumId= minItemPrice=0.00 minPurchase=0.00 taxShipping=N taxPercentage=8 taxPromotions=N fromDate=2001-05-13 00:00:00.001 thruDate= description=Excise Duty/ Now login as DemoIndianCustomer and ordered an item but still in the Order Information its showing Sales tax instead of Excise Duty. How can we make it Excise Duty??? Thanks in Advance Infovs
Dependent production run in ofbiz
Hello All, I am unable to create dependent production run. Can nay one tell me how to create dependent production run. I have gone through ofbiz manufacturing documentation. can any one please tell me how to do so. Thanks, Anil Sharma -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Dependent-production-run-in-ofbiz-tp252364p252364.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: Default theme ?
We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so large? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the return of Flat Grey as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Default theme ?
I normally use the Bluelight theme. In this theme what I did try to achieve was a better use of the screen space and, actually, if you compare to FlatGrey the information are displayed higher in the screen so more information are shown with no scrolling. The Login name, default organizzation, Visual theme selection etc. are displayed on a single line resulting in a shorter header. The Application Tab is not shown and a drop down menu can be used to select it. The selected application name, the selected tab and the screen name are all shown on a single line (the one with the blue/white smoothed corner bar) I plan to add a class style to the H1 page titles so that the bluelight theme can hide it having even more room available. I do not see many users using bluelight but I do not see anybody expressing any defect of it. Any hint to improve it is well appreciated. -Bruno 2009/10/13 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the return of Flat Grey as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
Re: Default theme ?
Jacques, to be correct I only helped Adrian Crum to test and further develop the Visual Theme feature. But the original idea and design was made by him. -Bruno 2009/10/12 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com: Hi Ruth, Yes I already reported that please see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 Maybe it's better to inform you that this theme was initially designed by Erik Schuessler from BrainFood and then implemented by Ryan Foster (mostly?) at HotWax Media. BTW this information may be found at the bottom right of http://ofbiz.apache.org/ So, for now, we mostly rely on their skills for this kind of things, even if everybody helps here and there. This was done in order to have a more attractive UI for release 9.04. And we are all (at least I) thankful for that! This theme was also applied to the wiki, there were issue also in Confluence, but we consider now that they are all resolved (you may find issues in Jira by looking for Confluence for OFBiz project, check comments) The theme feature on both sides (back and front ends) was introduced by Bruno Busco and enhanced by the team since then. Unfortunatley a such effort was no done for the eCommerce, only Bruno gave a theme wich is not complete yet. I think the meain reason is that most of the time, companies with enough means prefer to build their own design. And nobody has contributed a theme because, apart small companies which keep the original design and adapt it, most of the time the design is totally new and unique. Thanks for you help Jacques From: Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com Hi Jacques: Another issue with the default theme: Error messages are only displayed for a few seconds and then they disappear. For example, I just tried to add a file to the GZ-NEWS-1MO product using the Catalog Manager and I got an error which was displayed for about 3 seconds. Not even enough time to read the content of the error message. I know I can go to the log files and review error messages, but there doesn't seem to be much point in displaying error messages within the Catalog Manager if the user can't read them as they are using the application. Regards, Ruth Jacques Le Roux wrote: Good, thank you Chris, Other persons ? Jacques From: Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it much... Jacques Le Roux wrote: From: Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable. Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Jacques: Now that I know how, I always revert to the Flat Grey theme. While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc. Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness Time Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light. Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ? Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a new theme or some other change. Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a community decision regarding this point too... Thanks Jacques Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
Re: Searches done by default
+1 on the original Jacques proposal. I would also like to have the default number of items listed in a page configured in the same way. Generally speaking, having the framework offering configurations, lets a better user experience. The framework can, and should be, used also with different custom applications so having more options always helps. For example we use the OFBiz framework as a base of our fleet management system (a tool for storing trains configurations, diagnostic events etc.). An application quite far from the OFBiz core ones but still using the OFBiz power. The configuration option we are talking about is something we definitively fill usefull. -Bruno 2009/10/13 Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com: The order list screen shows recent orders already without having to search. For the party manager, yes it might nice for about 5 minutes but then after that you'll have 1000+ customers, suppliers, employees etc. and showing the first page will provide absolutely no benefit whatsoever (unless by pure dumb luck the record you wanted is present within the first 2% of the results). Showing a no condition search will never save you several clicks, it will always save you exactly one click (the search button). To solve your last point about confusion with no results being shown, ideally the results table wouldn't display unless a search has actually been performed. That is a change I would be +1 for. Regards Scott HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com On 13/10/2009, at 12:37 PM, Cimballi wrote: To argue my +1, I think it would be nice to have the results already displayed when you jump to the orders list screen or party list screen. I think it's already the way it works in the webtools screens, when you select the all button for an entity, it displays the search form and also the result of the search all request. It's not something very important, but I consider it a plus, it can saves several clicks, and also sometimes when I display a search screen, my first reaction is to think hu, it's strange, there is no result, and after 2 seconds I remember that I have to click on the lookup button... Cimballi
Re: Track Fixed Asset usage
Hello Roy, Did you get the solution for the below listed problem. I too have the same requiremnent. Can you please help me Thanks, Anil Sharma. rnatavio wrote: Hello everyone, Two Questions: 1) How can we create a [Number]/[Time] capacity for a fixed asset? I noticed a Production Capacity field but it doesn't seem to fit this need. 2) Does OFBiz have a way of showing how many tasks are currently using a fixed asset (Machine for instance)? I'm trying to find out the estimated time of completion for the incoming production runs (eg. when someone orders a configurable PC). The estimated start time for the incoming PRun should be the next available time of the machine. The capacity of the machine and the number of PRuns currently using it should also be considered. Cheers, Roy -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Track-Fixed-Asset-usage-tp142042p252376.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Re: Default theme ?
Hello Tim: If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we are way off the mark. The backend applications where the BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. Lets not forget who our audience is here. If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post my findings. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so large? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the return of Flat Grey as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com http://Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Bruno: A while back I used the Bluelight theme and I would have to agree with you, from the point of view of screen usage, it does a better job with space management. The biggest issue with this theme for me was figuring out where the application links were (hidden somewhere - I don't remember now where that was.) Anyhow, for a new end-user without Webtools experience, this could be a show stopper. Regards, Ruth Bruno Busco wrote: I normally use the Bluelight theme. In this theme what I did try to achieve was a better use of the screen space and, actually, if you compare to FlatGrey the information are displayed higher in the screen so more information are shown with no scrolling. The Login name, default organizzation, Visual theme selection etc. are displayed on a single line resulting in a shorter header. The Application Tab is not shown and a drop down menu can be used to select it. The selected application name, the selected tab and the screen name are all shown on a single line (the one with the blue/white smoothed corner bar) I plan to add a class style to the H1 page titles so that the bluelight theme can hide it having even more room available. I do not see many users using bluelight but I do not see anybody expressing any defect of it. Any hint to improve it is well appreciated. -Bruno 2009/10/13 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the return of Flat Grey as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
Re: Default theme ?
We are all working within the constraints of _not_ redesigning the entire set of backend applications - which is really what needs to be done. The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit today's look and feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd say from someone who does this day in and day out - you're WAY off when it comes to the way that people react to it (be clear, this does not talk to using it on a day to day basis). We've been very successful in building themes off of Bizzness Time - please are reacting in a really positive way. There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a facelift. I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and everyone else who has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the old theme in your own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to go apply first impressions with that really lame setup. As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early 2000s instead of letting it sit stagnant. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hello Tim: If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we are way off the mark. The backend applications where the BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. Lets not forget who our audience is here. If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post my findings. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so large? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size (of everything ) else we may vote for the return of Flat Grey as default theme. What do you people think ? Jacques PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks! From: Hans Bakker mailingl...@antwebsystems.com mailto:mailingl...@antwebsystems.com Sure the Business theme looks good but. The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually everything is far too bigIf i specify a field to be 2 characters, at least 5 fit in So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps better. Regards, Hans On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques -- Antwebsystems.com http://Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz
Re: Default theme ?
Bruno Busco schrieb: [..] I do not see many users using bluelight but I do not see anybody expressing any defect of it. Switching to the Bluelight theme is the first thing I do ;-) Christian
Re: Default theme ?
Thank you, Christian for this whisper in the storm. ;-) -Bruno 2009/10/13 Christian Geisert christian.geis...@isu-gmbh.de: Bruno Busco schrieb: [..] I do not see many users using bluelight but I do not see anybody expressing any defect of it. Switching to the Bluelight theme is the first thing I do ;-) Christian
How I can Mobilize my ofbiz website???
Hi all, I am planning to mobilize my website. While doing research, I had few questions. I am planning to provide monthly based mobile application services to clients. It does just import catalog/product details and display them in mobile website. It should allow same payment options as provided in desktop website. All the payment/order creation/ order processing will be happened on desktop website itself. Please clear me if anybody knows answers for my questions. Q 1) How to export catalog data from desktop website to mobile website server? is there any common API for this? Q 2) Shall I use all payment options in mobile website which are used in desktop website? Here, mobile application will be interface between customer and desktop website while payment processing. Is this process correct? any other better process for this? -- Thanks, Kumaraswamy.N 91-9866805250.
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Tim: I fully understand your point of view and the constraints we all labor under. Whether the old theme sucks or not is not in question here. First question I have for you is what guidelines are you referring to? Secondly, why should a new user have to change a theme in order to use OFBiz applications. If, as you say its easy to change a theme, then it should be incumbent on the knowledgeable experienced OFBiz user to change themes and not the new user. New users have enough on their plate just learning how the applications work. Thirdly, please don't throw around its easy to do something without siting references. You insult my intelligence and every other reader on this list by implying that anything concerning recent releases of OFBiz is easy. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We are all working within the constraints of _not_ redesigning the entire set of backend applications - which is really what needs to be done. The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit today's look and feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd say from someone who does this day in and day out - you're WAY off when it comes to the way that people react to it (be clear, this does not talk to using it on a day to day basis). We've been very successful in building themes off of Bizzness Time - please are reacting in a really positive way. There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a facelift. I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and everyone else who has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the old theme in your own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to go apply first impressions with that really lame setup. As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early 2000s instead of letting it sit stagnant. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hello Tim: If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we are way off the mark. The backend applications where the BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. Lets not forget who our audience is here. If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post my findings. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone gets over the initial shock of seeing something different. If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do - this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning. Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might not make it so large? It should be pretty easy with this setup. Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Hans, So far, * it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to zoom out. * it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...) I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster
Re: Default theme ?
Inline Cheers, Ruppert On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: I fully understand your point of view and the constraints we all labor under. Whether the old theme sucks or not is not in question here. First question I have for you is what guidelines are you referring to? Take a look at BizznessTime and then at Flat Grey and let me know when you think each were designed from a look and feel perspective? That's the point here - first impressions of whether or not this project is stale or not. This is why it was developed and it can have a huge impact on the people that see it for the first time. Not to mention that as I said, my customers have custom themes built on BizznessTime and are happy with them ... Secondly, why should a new user have to change a theme in order to use OFBiz applications. If, as you say its easy to change a theme, then it should be incumbent on the knowledgeable experienced OFBiz user to change themes and not the new user. New users have enough on their plate just learning how the applications work. I'm talking about demo.ofbiz.org having a current looking theme so that when people want to see the application for the first time, they're not asking if we started with the backend design in 2001 and then forgot to update it :) If you guys want that to be a deployment setting for the demo store - I'm happy to do it that way - let's just not act like the old theme is what is making OFBiz happen. Thirdly, please don't throw around its easy to do something without siting references. You insult my intelligence and every other reader on this list by implying that anything concerning recent releases of OFBiz is easy. Please Ruth - come on. If you're not sure where the themes are, then please use a browser tool to tell you where the CSS is that drives the theme and tinker with it. If I had the references for you in my hands - I'll lay them out like a towel - but since I didn't, I declined to send you to the wrong place. Me and the other readers (and my employees) dove in on the theme concept and tried our best to come up with something quickly that would make an impact in the release. I think we accomplished that in a big way. If it's not good, then please help to make it better rather than turning back to something that's not pushing forward (on the design front). I'd much rather see these kinks worked out - since we're only talking about CSS - not the magic of the screen widget / form widget, etc. In this case, easy means that any web developer in the world that does Inspect Element on Safari or anything else - will be able to see where the CSS is - since that's 99% of how these themes are messed with in the first place. Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Tim Ruppert wrote: We are all working within the constraints of _not_ redesigning the entire set of backend applications - which is really what needs to be done. The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit today's look and feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd say from someone who does this day in and day out - you're WAY off when it comes to the way that people react to it (be clear, this does not talk to using it on a day to day basis). We've been very successful in building themes off of Bizzness Time - please are reacting in a really positive way. There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a facelift. I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and everyone else who has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the old theme in your own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to go apply first impressions with that really lame setup. As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early 2000s instead of letting it sit stagnant. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hello Tim: If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we are way off the mark. The backend applications where the BiznessTime theme has been applied are designed for end-users who may not and probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. Lets not forget who our audience is here. If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt that it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better. On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation
Re: Default theme ?
Since my colleagues and I were largely responsible for the initial design of BizznessTime, which borrows very heavily from Brainfood's public facing site design (thanks guys!), I feel a certain amount of obligation to defend my position. Let me first start off by saying thank you all very much for this discussion on user interface in general and for the feedback on the BizznessTime theme. I sometimes feel like a lone wolf in a sea of developers immensely more talented than me when it comes to back-end programming, so I think a small amount of front-end discussion is refreshing. I take a huge amount of pride in my work, and I welcome any and all feedback, positive or negative, that will allow me to enhance the user experience. Secondly, many of the key elements of the design were clearly and carefully thought out, and are based on the work, research, and testing of respected organizations and individuals in user experience and interaction design: In regards to the school of thought that all of the important content should be above the fold and that users shouldn't be required, do not like to scroll, will not scroll, etc; there has been extensive research that tends to suggest that this school of thought is outdated. Jacob Nielsen discussed this back in 1997(!). See the following links for support: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9712a.html http://blog.clicktale.com/2006/12/23/unfolding-the-fold/ http://blog.clicktale.com/2007/10/05/clicktale-scrolling-research-report-v20-part-1-visibility-and-scroll-reach/ http://blog.clicktale.com/2007/12/04/clicktale-scrolling-research-report-v20-part-2-visitor-attention-and-web-page-exposure/ http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/08/02/utilizing-the-cut-off-look-to-encourage-users-to-scroll/ http://www.boxesandarrows.com/view/blasting-the-myth-of Next, as far as the applications drop down menu, this concept is again based on modern web trends and current research. Companies such as Target, Walmart, Microsoft, OfficeMax, OfficeDepot, EMC, MTV, Ruby on Rails, etc. use so called Mega Dropdowns in their sites and applications. Our friends in the community over at Alexander Interactive have been cited numerous times for the navigation they developed for ActionEnvelope. I agree that showing the menu on hover rather than on click would be an enhancement, but I also don't think that having to click is a bad thing either. Again, see the following resources: http://www.uipattern.com/mega-drop-downs/ http://www.useit.com/alertbox/mega-dropdown-menus.html http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/03/30/mega-drop-down-menus/ http://37signals.com/svn/posts/1647-mega-drop-down-navigation-at-basecamp-and-rails-guides-site http://guides.rubyonrails.org/ Finally, as far as the statement lets not forget who our audience is, I am acutely aware of who are audience is. We have developed several client branded themes based on the BizznessTime theme, and have received very positive feedback. When our clients are happy, I am happy. You are right that fancier isn't always better, there is research suggesting that doesn't matter. It may not be better, but people think that it is: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/indefenseofeyecandy http://www.consumerwebwatch.org/news/report3_credibilityresearch/stanfordPTL.pdf http://ist.psu.edu/faculty_pages/jjansen/academic/pres/chi2007/jansen_branding_of_search_engines.pdf http://sigchi.org/chi97/proceedings/paper/nt.htm http://www.experiencedynamics.com/sites/default/files/spillers-emotiondesign-proceedings.pdf I do agree with many points that have been made so far, and again, I appreciate the feedback. The font-size is a little too big. The padding in and around the inputs and submit buttons can be dialed back a bit. I am working on a patch right now that incorporates this feedback, as well as additional feedback and discoveries from the themes we have built based on the original BizznessTime theme. I apologize for the very long-winded email, but I just wanted to give the community some insight into my thought process and design methodologies. I hope this helps the discussion. Thanks, Ryan Foster HotWax Media 801.671.0769 ryan.fos...@hotwaxmedia.com On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: I fully understand your point of view and the constraints we all labor under. Whether the old theme sucks or not is not in question here. First question I have for you is what guidelines are you referring to? Secondly, why should a new user have to change a theme in order to use OFBiz applications. If, as you say its easy to change a theme, then it should be incumbent on the knowledgeable experienced OFBiz user to change themes and not the new user. New users have enough on their plate just learning how the applications work. Thirdly, please don't throw around its easy to do something without siting references. You insult my
Re: Default theme ?
Hi Tim: This will probably start a flame war (if those things still happen :-), but again this is all for what I feel is the betterment of the project. Please see my comments inline: Tim Ruppert wrote: Inline Cheers, Ruppert On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: I fully understand your point of view and the constraints we all labor under. Whether the old theme sucks or not is not in question here. First question I have for you is what guidelines are you referring to? Take a look at BizznessTime and then at Flat Grey and let me know when you think each were designed from a look and feel perspective? That's the point here - first impressions of whether or not this project is stale or not. This is why it was developed and it can have a huge impact on the people that see it for the first time. Not to mention that as I said, my customers have custom themes built on BizznessTime and are happy with them ... You didn't answer my question. What guidelines? I'm not disputing that your customers have nice themes. You, or your company probably built them. Good for you! As a service provider, this attitude towards the code base works in your favor. As an end-user, maybe this approach towards the project code base doesn't work so well. Please reconsider. Secondly, why should a new user have to change a theme in order to use OFBiz applications. If, as you say its easy to change a theme, then it should be incumbent on the knowledgeable experienced OFBiz user to change themes and not the new user. New users have enough on their plate just learning how the applications work. I'm talking about demo.ofbiz.org having a current looking theme so that when people want to see the application for the first time, they're not asking if we started with the backend design in 2001 and then forgot to update it :) If you guys want that to be a deployment setting for the demo store - I'm happy to do it that way - let's just not act like the old theme is what is making OFBiz happen. So am I. Lets talk about the demo site. On a recent visit (2 days ago) what I saw was embarrassing and hence my comment about pride of ownership. I'd like to call you to the carpet on making OFBiz happen. How many new user's to OFBiz (I'm talking end-users) have been convinced to adopt based on theme changes? Do you even know? If you can show me the numbers, then I will gladly change my tune. Thirdly, please don't throw around its easy to do something without siting references. You insult my intelligence and every other reader on this list by implying that anything concerning recent releases of OFBiz is easy. Please Ruth - come on. If you're not sure where the themes are, then please use a browser tool to tell you where the CSS is that drives the theme and tinker with it. If I had the references for you in my hands - I'll lay them out like a towel - but since I didn't, I declined to send you to the wrong place. Me and the other readers (and my employees) dove in on the theme concept and tried our best to come up with something quickly that would make an impact in the release. I think we accomplished that in a big way. If it's not good, then please help to make it better rather than turning back to something that's not pushing forward (on the design front). Tim, we are not talking about me. I know how to do this. I've spent several years working with all aspects of OFBiz from the front-end CSS to writing modifications to the Entity Engine to support database field types not supported by OFBiz. I'm talking about new users. I have tried to make it better by submitting JIRA issues. How about if we start over with a design document and a baseline that we know works - perhaps the Flat Grey theme, and go forward from there. Give me developer/access rights to the code base and I'd gladly help out. I'd much rather see these kinks worked out - since we're only talking about CSS - not the magic of the screen widget / form widget, etc. In this case, easy means that any web developer in the world that does Inspect Element on Safari or anything else - will be able to see where the CSS is - since that's 99% of how these themes are messed with in the first place. I agree with you here concerning working out the kinks. Where we diverge is: I don't think it is up to end-users to do testing for the project. Don't commit code (themes or otherwise) that has not been tested. Don't make changes to OFBiz until those changes have been tested. Its pretty simple. Again, end-users have enough on their plate just learning the applications. And, perhaps more importantly, end-user's for the backend applications are not the same web developers you reference here. You obviously see all this from a service provider's point of view and not an end-user. Please understand, I don't provide OFBiz development, deployment or integration services. I am an advocate for end-users. IMO,
payment deferred/release
I am implementing a payment gateway, in which instead of authorisation/capture i.e using interfaces ccAuthInterface ccCaptureInterface, I will be using deferred/release transaction types, to implement this I can do it using the before mentioned interfaces, but then I saw there is a interface for release i.e. paymentReleaseInterface but no interface definition for deferred, I guess there should be a interface defined for deferred type in services_paymentmethod.xml. Also, my understanding is that authorisation/capture is same as deferred/release with the exception that authorisation/capture doesn't validate the cvv other validations but deferred/release does. If the above statement is correct then, in order manager under Payment Information, currently we display Capture button when the payment is authorised, but if we implement the above, then we need to check if the payment was using the authorisation then display capture or if using deferred then display Release button. Does this makes sense or have I missed somethings ?
Re: Default theme ?
If you have changes to the theme - submit them or fix them. This theme has been tested and is in fact used by many people that we work with. We do not have all of the problems you mentioned. There's NO reason to start with Flat Grey - use the current theme - with the current design and fix the issues. It wasn't crap when it was put forward, it was tested and used - so please your best to not insult others as well :) Read Foster's email for where and why we did what we did and go from there. I'm at least as interested as everyone in the community at fixing all of the crap in OFBiz - as evidenced by the amazing amount of investment in time and money that's been made by our company. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: This will probably start a flame war (if those things still happen :-), but again this is all for what I feel is the betterment of the project. Please see my comments inline: Tim Ruppert wrote: Inline Cheers, Ruppert On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: I fully understand your point of view and the constraints we all labor under. Whether the old theme sucks or not is not in question here. First question I have for you is what guidelines are you referring to? Take a look at BizznessTime and then at Flat Grey and let me know when you think each were designed from a look and feel perspective? That's the point here - first impressions of whether or not this project is stale or not. This is why it was developed and it can have a huge impact on the people that see it for the first time. Not to mention that as I said, my customers have custom themes built on BizznessTime and are happy with them ... You didn't answer my question. What guidelines? I'm not disputing that your customers have nice themes. You, or your company probably built them. Good for you! As a service provider, this attitude towards the code base works in your favor. As an end- user, maybe this approach towards the project code base doesn't work so well. Please reconsider. Right, I'm trying to keep the code base crappy so I have to explain to more and more people how we could fix it for them. That makes no sense. Secondly, why should a new user have to change a theme in order to use OFBiz applications. If, as you say its easy to change a theme, then it should be incumbent on the knowledgeable experienced OFBiz user to change themes and not the new user. New users have enough on their plate just learning how the applications work. I'm talking about demo.ofbiz.org having a current looking theme so that when people want to see the application for the first time, they're not asking if we started with the backend design in 2001 and then forgot to update it :) If you guys want that to be a deployment setting for the demo store - I'm happy to do it that way - let's just not act like the old theme is what is making OFBiz happen. So am I. Lets talk about the demo site. On a recent visit (2 days ago) what I saw was embarrassing and hence my comment about pride of ownership. I'd like to call you to the carpet on making OFBiz happen. How many new user's to OFBiz (I'm talking end-users) have been convinced to adopt based on theme changes? Do you even know? If you can show me the numbers, then I will gladly change my tune. No numbers - but from a sales perspective it's been MUCH better received by all new people. Keep in mind, I'm not talking about techies - I'm talking about business people who will eventually use the applications. Thirdly, please don't throw around its easy to do something without siting references. You insult my intelligence and every other reader on this list by implying that anything concerning recent releases of OFBiz is easy. Please Ruth - come on. If you're not sure where the themes are, then please use a browser tool to tell you where the CSS is that drives the theme and tinker with it. If I had the references for you in my hands - I'll lay them out like a towel - but since I didn't, I declined to send you to the wrong place. Me and the other readers (and my employees) dove in on the theme concept and tried our best to come up with something quickly that would make an impact in the release. I think we accomplished that in a big way. If it's not good, then please help to make it better rather than turning back to something that's not pushing forward (on the design front). Tim, we are not talking about me. I know how to do this. I've spent several years working with all aspects of OFBiz from the front-end CSS to writing modifications to the Entity Engine to support database field types not supported by OFBiz. I'm talking about new users. Well that's great- wasn't sure by your message. I have tried to make it
Re: Default theme ?
This seems a lot to-do about nothing, reference, the default, since if someone wants to demo the demo site they can change the theme. also I think it is mute since so many use the Site and change things when someone else is on they change languages and themes, that it would be theme wars on the Demo site, for all practical purposes. The valid discussion, to me, is the architectures of the themes, not a specific theme, since anyone can create a theme and submit it for inclusion. What themes can support and not support is valuable for those that want to create themes. I would like to see, general support that looks at the browser functions to determine what to present. Like does support javascript if not then server up a basic page. So there would always be a basic text page template for the browser where the user has turned off features Also Themes that address Color blind people and Those of us that have trouble with fonts. The last one really takes on a new dimensions, since have we already found out, some translation cause justification problems My view of current themes is they show what can be done and are good learning tools. Tim Ruppert sent the following on 10/13/2009 9:44 AM: If you have changes to the theme - submit them or fix them. This theme has been tested and is in fact used by many people that we work with. We do not have all of the problems you mentioned. There's NO reason to start with Flat Grey - use the current theme - with the current design and fix the issues. It wasn't crap when it was put forward, it was tested and used - so please your best to not insult others as well :) Read Foster's email for where and why we did what we did and go from there. I'm at least as interested as everyone in the community at fixing all of the crap in OFBiz - as evidenced by the amazing amount of investment in time and money that's been made by our company. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: This will probably start a flame war (if those things still happen :-), but again this is all for what I feel is the betterment of the project. Please see my comments inline: Tim Ruppert wrote: Inline Cheers, Ruppert On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: I fully understand your point of view and the constraints we all labor under. Whether the old theme sucks or not is not in question here. First question I have for you is what guidelines are you referring to? Take a look at BizznessTime and then at Flat Grey and let me know when you think each were designed from a look and feel perspective? That's the point here - first impressions of whether or not this project is stale or not. This is why it was developed and it can have a huge impact on the people that see it for the first time. Not to mention that as I said, my customers have custom themes built on BizznessTime and are happy with them ... You didn't answer my question. What guidelines? I'm not disputing that your customers have nice themes. You, or your company probably built them. Good for you! As a service provider, this attitude towards the code base works in your favor. As an end-user, maybe this approach towards the project code base doesn't work so well. Please reconsider. Right, I'm trying to keep the code base crappy so I have to explain to more and more people how we could fix it for them. That makes no sense. Secondly, why should a new user have to change a theme in order to use OFBiz applications. If, as you say its easy to change a theme, then it should be incumbent on the knowledgeable experienced OFBiz user to change themes and not the new user. New users have enough on their plate just learning how the applications work. I'm talking about demo.ofbiz.org having a current looking theme so that when people want to see the application for the first time, they're not asking if we started with the backend design in 2001 and then forgot to update it :) If you guys want that to be a deployment setting for the demo store - I'm happy to do it that way - let's just not act like the old theme is what is making OFBiz happen. So am I. Lets talk about the demo site. On a recent visit (2 days ago) what I saw was embarrassing and hence my comment about pride of ownership. I'd like to call you to the carpet on making OFBiz happen. How many new user's to OFBiz (I'm talking end-users) have been convinced to adopt based on theme changes? Do you even know? If you can show me the numbers, then I will gladly change my tune. No numbers - but from a sales perspective it's been MUCH better received by all new people. Keep in mind, I'm not talking about techies - I'm talking about business people who will eventually use the applications. Thirdly, please don't throw around its easy to do something without siting
Re: payment deferred/release
Also, my understanding is that authorisation/capture is same as deferred/release with the exception that authorisation/capture doesn't validate the cvv other validations but deferred/release does. By this what I meant was that authorisation/capture does validate cvv other validations but that it does in the second step i.e. in capture and not at the time of placing the order, that means if the capture service fails, which will be invoked by the merchant, then the merchant will have to inform the customer and ask him to place the order again. But in deferred/release, the validations takes place at the time of placing the order, that means if the customer enters the cvv code wrong then the customer stands the chance to reenter the cvv code, and there wont be any validations check when the merchant goes for releasing the payment because it has already been validated. Also the other difference between these 2 types is that in deferred/release the payment should ideally be released within 6 days as per credit card schemes, this restriction does not applies to authorise/capture type service. There may be other differences which I may not be aware off, but they its depends on your custom requirements. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Abdullah Shaikh abdullah.sha...@viithiisys.com wrote: I am implementing a payment gateway, in which instead of authorisation/capture i.e using interfaces ccAuthInterface ccCaptureInterface, I will be using deferred/release transaction types, to implement this I can do it using the before mentioned interfaces, but then I saw there is a interface for release i.e. paymentReleaseInterface but no interface definition for deferred, I guess there should be a interface defined for deferred type in services_paymentmethod.xml. Also, my understanding is that authorisation/capture is same as deferred/release with the exception that authorisation/capture doesn't validate the cvv other validations but deferred/release does. If the above statement is correct then, in order manager under Payment Information, currently we display Capture button when the payment is authorised, but if we implement the above, then we need to check if the payment was using the authorisation then display capture or if using deferred then display Release button. Does this makes sense or have I missed somethings ?
Re: Default theme ?
Forgot one point, if your a company you should be able to support you own demo site. Dedicated Servers these days cost about $100. Then you can have it any way you want. BJ Freeman sent the following on 10/13/2009 10:03 AM: This seems a lot to-do about nothing, reference, the default, since if someone wants to demo the demo site they can change the theme. also I think it is mute since so many use the Site and change things when someone else is on they change languages and themes, that it would be theme wars on the Demo site, for all practical purposes. The valid discussion, to me, is the architectures of the themes, not a specific theme, since anyone can create a theme and submit it for inclusion. What themes can support and not support is valuable for those that want to create themes. I would like to see, general support that looks at the browser functions to determine what to present. Like does support javascript if not then server up a basic page. So there would always be a basic text page template for the browser where the user has turned off features Also Themes that address Color blind people and Those of us that have trouble with fonts. The last one really takes on a new dimensions, since have we already found out, some translation cause justification problems My view of current themes is they show what can be done and are good learning tools. Tim Ruppert sent the following on 10/13/2009 9:44 AM: If you have changes to the theme - submit them or fix them. This theme has been tested and is in fact used by many people that we work with. We do not have all of the problems you mentioned. There's NO reason to start with Flat Grey - use the current theme - with the current design and fix the issues. It wasn't crap when it was put forward, it was tested and used - so please your best to not insult others as well :) Read Foster's email for where and why we did what we did and go from there. I'm at least as interested as everyone in the community at fixing all of the crap in OFBiz - as evidenced by the amazing amount of investment in time and money that's been made by our company. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: This will probably start a flame war (if those things still happen :-), but again this is all for what I feel is the betterment of the project. Please see my comments inline: Tim Ruppert wrote: Inline Cheers, Ruppert On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: I fully understand your point of view and the constraints we all labor under. Whether the old theme sucks or not is not in question here. First question I have for you is what guidelines are you referring to? Take a look at BizznessTime and then at Flat Grey and let me know when you think each were designed from a look and feel perspective? That's the point here - first impressions of whether or not this project is stale or not. This is why it was developed and it can have a huge impact on the people that see it for the first time. Not to mention that as I said, my customers have custom themes built on BizznessTime and are happy with them ... You didn't answer my question. What guidelines? I'm not disputing that your customers have nice themes. You, or your company probably built them. Good for you! As a service provider, this attitude towards the code base works in your favor. As an end-user, maybe this approach towards the project code base doesn't work so well. Please reconsider. Right, I'm trying to keep the code base crappy so I have to explain to more and more people how we could fix it for them. That makes no sense. Secondly, why should a new user have to change a theme in order to use OFBiz applications. If, as you say its easy to change a theme, then it should be incumbent on the knowledgeable experienced OFBiz user to change themes and not the new user. New users have enough on their plate just learning how the applications work. I'm talking about demo.ofbiz.org having a current looking theme so that when people want to see the application for the first time, they're not asking if we started with the backend design in 2001 and then forgot to update it :) If you guys want that to be a deployment setting for the demo store - I'm happy to do it that way - let's just not act like the old theme is what is making OFBiz happen. So am I. Lets talk about the demo site. On a recent visit (2 days ago) what I saw was embarrassing and hence my comment about pride of ownership. I'd like to call you to the carpet on making OFBiz happen. How many new user's to OFBiz (I'm talking end-users) have been convinced to adopt based on theme changes? Do you even know? If you can show me the numbers, then I will gladly change my tune. No numbers - but from a sales perspective it's been MUCH
Re: Default theme ?
Yeah - we've got our own and in fact pay for the community ones as well. Just want to put the best face forward for the project. Not saying the themes are perfect, but let's start from current and mod from there. That's at least my vote - one of many people voting. Cheers, Ruppert On Oct 13, 2009, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote: Forgot one point, if your a company you should be able to support you own demo site. Dedicated Servers these days cost about $100. Then you can have it any way you want. BJ Freeman sent the following on 10/13/2009 10:03 AM: This seems a lot to-do about nothing, reference, the default, since if someone wants to demo the demo site they can change the theme. also I think it is mute since so many use the Site and change things when someone else is on they change languages and themes, that it would be theme wars on the Demo site, for all practical purposes. The valid discussion, to me, is the architectures of the themes, not a specific theme, since anyone can create a theme and submit it for inclusion. What themes can support and not support is valuable for those that want to create themes. I would like to see, general support that looks at the browser functions to determine what to present. Like does support javascript if not then server up a basic page. So there would always be a basic text page template for the browser where the user has turned off features Also Themes that address Color blind people and Those of us that have trouble with fonts. The last one really takes on a new dimensions, since have we already found out, some translation cause justification problems My view of current themes is they show what can be done and are good learning tools. Tim Ruppert sent the following on 10/13/2009 9:44 AM: If you have changes to the theme - submit them or fix them. This theme has been tested and is in fact used by many people that we work with. We do not have all of the problems you mentioned. There's NO reason to start with Flat Grey - use the current theme - with the current design and fix the issues. It wasn't crap when it was put forward, it was tested and used - so please your best to not insult others as well :) Read Foster's email for where and why we did what we did and go from there. I'm at least as interested as everyone in the community at fixing all of the crap in OFBiz - as evidenced by the amazing amount of investment in time and money that's been made by our company. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: This will probably start a flame war (if those things still happen :-), but again this is all for what I feel is the betterment of the project. Please see my comments inline: Tim Ruppert wrote: Inline Cheers, Ruppert On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: I fully understand your point of view and the constraints we all labor under. Whether the old theme sucks or not is not in question here. First question I have for you is what guidelines are you referring to? Take a look at BizznessTime and then at Flat Grey and let me know when you think each were designed from a look and feel perspective? That's the point here - first impressions of whether or not this project is stale or not. This is why it was developed and it can have a huge impact on the people that see it for the first time. Not to mention that as I said, my customers have custom themes built on BizznessTime and are happy with them ... You didn't answer my question. What guidelines? I'm not disputing that your customers have nice themes. You, or your company probably built them. Good for you! As a service provider, this attitude towards the code base works in your favor. As an end-user, maybe this approach towards the project code base doesn't work so well. Please reconsider. Right, I'm trying to keep the code base crappy so I have to explain to more and more people how we could fix it for them. That makes no sense. Secondly, why should a new user have to change a theme in order to use OFBiz applications. If, as you say its easy to change a theme, then it should be incumbent on the knowledgeable experienced OFBiz user to change themes and not the new user. New users have enough on their plate just learning how the applications work. I'm talking about demo.ofbiz.org having a current looking theme so that when people want to see the application for the first time, they're not asking if we started with the backend design in 2001 and then forgot to update it :) If you guys want that to be a deployment setting for the demo store - I'm happy to do it that way - let's just not act like the old theme is what is making OFBiz happen. So am I. Lets talk about the demo site. On a recent visit (2 days ago) what I saw was embarrassing and hence my comment about
Re: Default theme ?
I was not pointing the server comment at you, tim. I guess since I replied you your response that it can take it that way. Tim Ruppert sent the following on 10/13/2009 10:29 AM: Yeah - we've got our own and in fact pay for the community ones as well. Just want to put the best face forward for the project. Not saying the themes are perfect, but let's start from current and mod from there. That's at least my vote - one of many people voting. Cheers, Ruppert On Oct 13, 2009, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote: Forgot one point, if your a company you should be able to support you own demo site. Dedicated Servers these days cost about $100. Then you can have it any way you want. BJ Freeman sent the following on 10/13/2009 10:03 AM: This seems a lot to-do about nothing, reference, the default, since if someone wants to demo the demo site they can change the theme. also I think it is mute since so many use the Site and change things when someone else is on they change languages and themes, that it would be theme wars on the Demo site, for all practical purposes. The valid discussion, to me, is the architectures of the themes, not a specific theme, since anyone can create a theme and submit it for inclusion. What themes can support and not support is valuable for those that want to create themes. I would like to see, general support that looks at the browser functions to determine what to present. Like does support javascript if not then server up a basic page. So there would always be a basic text page template for the browser where the user has turned off features Also Themes that address Color blind people and Those of us that have trouble with fonts. The last one really takes on a new dimensions, since have we already found out, some translation cause justification problems My view of current themes is they show what can be done and are good learning tools. Tim Ruppert sent the following on 10/13/2009 9:44 AM: If you have changes to the theme - submit them or fix them. This theme has been tested and is in fact used by many people that we work with. We do not have all of the problems you mentioned. There's NO reason to start with Flat Grey - use the current theme - with the current design and fix the issues. It wasn't crap when it was put forward, it was tested and used - so please your best to not insult others as well :) Read Foster's email for where and why we did what we did and go from there. I'm at least as interested as everyone in the community at fixing all of the crap in OFBiz - as evidenced by the amazing amount of investment in time and money that's been made by our company. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: This will probably start a flame war (if those things still happen :-), but again this is all for what I feel is the betterment of the project. Please see my comments inline: Tim Ruppert wrote: Inline Cheers, Ruppert On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: I fully understand your point of view and the constraints we all labor under. Whether the old theme sucks or not is not in question here. First question I have for you is what guidelines are you referring to? Take a look at BizznessTime and then at Flat Grey and let me know when you think each were designed from a look and feel perspective? That's the point here - first impressions of whether or not this project is stale or not. This is why it was developed and it can have a huge impact on the people that see it for the first time. Not to mention that as I said, my customers have custom themes built on BizznessTime and are happy with them ... You didn't answer my question. What guidelines? I'm not disputing that your customers have nice themes. You, or your company probably built them. Good for you! As a service provider, this attitude towards the code base works in your favor. As an end-user, maybe this approach towards the project code base doesn't work so well. Please reconsider. Right, I'm trying to keep the code base crappy so I have to explain to more and more people how we could fix it for them. That makes no sense. Secondly, why should a new user have to change a theme in order to use OFBiz applications. If, as you say its easy to change a theme, then it should be incumbent on the knowledgeable experienced OFBiz user to change themes and not the new user. New users have enough on their plate just learning how the applications work. I'm talking about demo.ofbiz.org having a current looking theme so that when people want to see the application for the first time, they're not asking if we started with the backend design in 2001 and then forgot to update it :) If you guys want that to be a deployment setting for the demo store - I'm happy to do it that way - let's just
Neogia Manuals
Hello I donwload Neogia demo and try configurate but its difficult, any options aren't similar For example: option edit account hierarchy Thanks Jhanneth Andrade Sajami
Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2
Hi Jacques, you can do that by clicking on Options Users Who are members?. So you can add Ashish as a member and select the Is Admin checkbox for him. __ View message @ http://n2.nabble.com/Please-Migrate-Apache-OFBiz-forums-to-Nabble2-tp1657283p3817277.html To unsubscribe from Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2, click http://n2.nabble.com/subscriptions/Unsubscribe.jtp?code=dXNlckBvZmJpei5hcGFjaGUub3JnfDM3OTk0NTF8MTgwODgwNTgwNQ==
Re: Neogia Manuals
Hello Jhanneth Neogia is a project that use OFBiz, please do your ask on neogia mailing list. Thanks by advance. Nicolas Jhanneth Andrade a écrit : Hello I donwload Neogia demo and try configurate but its difficult, any options aren’t similar For example: option edit account hierarchy Thanks * * *Jhanneth Andrade Sajami* -- Nicolas MALIN Consultant Tél : 06.17.66.40.06 Site projet : http://www.neogia.org/ --- Société LibrenBerry Tél : 02.48.02.56.12 Site : http://www.librenberry.net/
Re: Default theme ?
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. It is okay, but the fast disappearing error popup is highly annoying. -- James McGill Able Engineering
Re: Default theme ?
No worries BJ - thanks for the clarification. Cheers, Ruppert On Oct 13, 2009, at 11:41 AM, BJ Freeman wrote: I was not pointing the server comment at you, tim. I guess since I replied you your response that it can take it that way. Tim Ruppert sent the following on 10/13/2009 10:29 AM: Yeah - we've got our own and in fact pay for the community ones as well. Just want to put the best face forward for the project. Not saying the themes are perfect, but let's start from current and mod from there. That's at least my vote - one of many people voting. Cheers, Ruppert On Oct 13, 2009, at 11:26 AM, BJ Freeman wrote: Forgot one point, if your a company you should be able to support you own demo site. Dedicated Servers these days cost about $100. Then you can have it any way you want. BJ Freeman sent the following on 10/13/2009 10:03 AM: This seems a lot to-do about nothing, reference, the default, since if someone wants to demo the demo site they can change the theme. also I think it is mute since so many use the Site and change things when someone else is on they change languages and themes, that it would be theme wars on the Demo site, for all practical purposes. The valid discussion, to me, is the architectures of the themes, not a specific theme, since anyone can create a theme and submit it for inclusion. What themes can support and not support is valuable for those that want to create themes. I would like to see, general support that looks at the browser functions to determine what to present. Like does support javascript if not then server up a basic page. So there would always be a basic text page template for the browser where the user has turned off features Also Themes that address Color blind people and Those of us that have trouble with fonts. The last one really takes on a new dimensions, since have we already found out, some translation cause justification problems My view of current themes is they show what can be done and are good learning tools. Tim Ruppert sent the following on 10/13/2009 9:44 AM: If you have changes to the theme - submit them or fix them. This theme has been tested and is in fact used by many people that we work with. We do not have all of the problems you mentioned. There's NO reason to start with Flat Grey - use the current theme - with the current design and fix the issues. It wasn't crap when it was put forward, it was tested and used - so please your best to not insult others as well :) Read Foster's email for where and why we did what we did and go from there. I'm at least as interested as everyone in the community at fixing all of the crap in OFBiz - as evidenced by the amazing amount of investment in time and money that's been made by our company. Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 13, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: This will probably start a flame war (if those things still happen :-), but again this is all for what I feel is the betterment of the project. Please see my comments inline: Tim Ruppert wrote: Inline Cheers, Ruppert On Oct 13, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Tim: I fully understand your point of view and the constraints we all labor under. Whether the old theme sucks or not is not in question here. First question I have for you is what guidelines are you referring to? Take a look at BizznessTime and then at Flat Grey and let me know when you think each were designed from a look and feel perspective? That's the point here - first impressions of whether or not this project is stale or not. This is why it was developed and it can have a huge impact on the people that see it for the first time. Not to mention that as I said, my customers have custom themes built on BizznessTime and are happy with them ... You didn't answer my question. What guidelines? I'm not disputing that your customers have nice themes. You, or your company probably built them. Good for you! As a service provider, this attitude towards the code base works in your favor. As an end- user, maybe this approach towards the project code base doesn't work so well. Please reconsider. Right, I'm trying to keep the code base crappy so I have to explain to more and more people how we could fix it for them. That makes no sense. Secondly, why should a new user have to change a theme in order to use OFBiz applications. If, as you say its easy to change a theme, then it should be incumbent on the knowledgeable experienced OFBiz user to change themes and not the new user. New users have enough on their plate just learning how the applications work. I'm talking about demo.ofbiz.org having a current looking theme so that when people want to see the application for the first time, they're not asking if we started with the backend design in 2001 and then forgot
question on docbook help system
Hi Hans and all, While looking at the help system you put in place, there is a question I have : in the applications/accounting/data/helpdata/HELP_ACCOUNTING_invoices.xml file, you put xi:include href=.../ after the last paragraph. I've seen it is to make links between documents but I can't see the links displayed in the help window. So, have I misunderstood the goal of those elements or is that the displaying of the links is not yet implemented ? thanks in advance, -- Erwan
Fw: Default theme ?
Oops, This was intended to user ML From: Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com To: Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com Ha, sorry Adrian, Actually I was the 1st to complain about what is now Flat Grey. But apart some rants I did not help much :/ And now most of the time I prefer it, because I find it quicker and especially I don't like Bizness Theme because of this issue https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2308 Jacques From: Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com Jacques, to be correct I only helped Adrian Crum to test and further develop the Visual Theme feature. But the original idea and design was made by him. -Bruno 2009/10/12 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com: Hi Ruth, Yes I already reported that please see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398 Maybe it's better to inform you that this theme was initially designed by Erik Schuessler from BrainFood and then implemented by Ryan Foster (mostly?) at HotWax Media. BTW this information may be found at the bottom right of http://ofbiz.apache.org/ So, for now, we mostly rely on their skills for this kind of things, even if everybody helps here and there. This was done in order to have a more attractive UI for release 9.04. And we are all (at least I) thankful for that! This theme was also applied to the wiki, there were issue also in Confluence, but we consider now that they are all resolved (you may find issues in Jira by looking for Confluence for OFBiz project, check comments) The theme feature on both sides (back and front ends) was introduced by Bruno Busco and enhanced by the team since then. Unfortunatley a such effort was no done for the eCommerce, only Bruno gave a theme wich is not complete yet. I think the meain reason is that most of the time, companies with enough means prefer to build their own design. And nobody has contributed a theme because, apart small companies which keep the original design and adapt it, most of the time the design is totally new and unique. Thanks for you help Jacques From: Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com Hi Jacques: Another issue with the default theme: Error messages are only displayed for a few seconds and then they disappear. For example, I just tried to add a file to the GZ-NEWS-1MO product using the Catalog Manager and I got an error which was displayed for about 3 seconds. Not even enough time to read the content of the error message. I know I can go to the log files and review error messages, but there doesn't seem to be much point in displaying error messages within the Catalog Manager if the user can't read them as they are using the application. Regards, Ruth Jacques Le Roux wrote: Good, thank you Chris, Other persons ? Jacques From: Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk I haven't found any bugs in Bizness theme, athough I haven't used it much... Jacques Le Roux wrote: From: Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk Hi Ruth, have you tried using the browser zoom out function with Biziness theme? - it makes the Biziness theme much more usable. Ruth Hoffman wrote: Hi Jacques: Now that I know how, I always revert to the Flat Grey theme. While the graphic enhancements are nice on some of the other themes, they take up too much space within the browser window. At times, it is difficult to find navigation links etc. Yes I agree with Chris, I prefer also to zoom out when using Bizness Time Actually lost of the time I revert to Flat Grey, even if I try to push myself to use Bizness Time and Blue Light. Did you find specific bugs in Bizness Time, Chris ? Is there any way to revert the ecommerce site back to the one product listing per line layout? Not sure if the 3x3 listing is a result of a new theme or some other change. Right, there is still this issue (within others...) pending. No, it's not a result of any theme. Maybe it's time to make a community decision regarding this point too... Thanks Jacques Regards, Ruth Ruth Hoffman, Author, Mentor OFBiz Enthusiast ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com Looking for more OFBiz info, please visit my website: http://www.myofbiz.com Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. Do you use it? Do you change for another theme ? Which one fo you prefer? Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another? Thanks Jacques
Re: Default theme ?
Thanks James, Yes, this is already reported here https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2442 Jacques From: James McGill james.mcg...@ableengineering.com On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote: Hi, I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as default theme. It is okay, but the fast disappearing error popup is highly annoying. -- James McGill Able Engineering
does anybody know how to custom the css style for auto-complete form widget
How can I custom the css style for drop-down form widget if use auto-complete/ in form widget xml, such custom border color of text input? thank for any advice in advance
Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2
Thanks Hugo, Nabble2 si really better, you are an OFBIz forums admin too now Ashish, welcome Jacques __ View message @ http://n2.nabble.com/Please-Migrate-Apache-OFBiz-forums-to-Nabble2-tp1657283p3818808.html To unsubscribe from Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2, click http://n2.nabble.com/subscriptions/Unsubscribe.jtp?code=dXNlckBvZmJpei5hcGFjaGUub3JnfDM3OTk0NTF8MTgwODgwNTgwNQ==
Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2
You are welcome, Jacques. Please let me know if you need anything from Nabble and I will be there to help you. __ View message @ http://n2.nabble.com/Please-Migrate-Apache-OFBiz-forums-to-Nabble2-tp1657283p3818832.html To unsubscribe from Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2, click http://n2.nabble.com/subscriptions/Unsubscribe.jtp?code=dXNlckBvZmJpei5hcGFjaGUub3JnfDM3OTk0NTF8MTgwODgwNTgwNQ==
Tax Calculation
Im trying to create an purchase order, I already register the article, the supplier, the warehouse, the productstore, the internal organization, and all the basic stuff, Including the taxauth whit geo: PER(Perú) associated with a party(party group) with role(tax Authority) And when I finish my purchase order in the last step after the payment terms, and the shipment direction, I get the next error message: The address(es) used for tax calculation did not have state/province or country values set, so we cannot determine the taxes to charge. what did I miss? thanks Miguel Castellanos Consultor Funcional | Sinergium S.A.C |www.sinergium.net | mailto:jandr...@sinergium.net mcastella...@sinergium.net
Re: question on docbook help system
Hi Erwan, the help system is part of the documentation system. The links you mention are part of the Apache OFBiz document you can view at: http://localhost:8080/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML and in the content component content - content - navigation - documents - view apache ofbiz html So in other words the help page information is included in the ofbiz document, however not the other way around. Regards, Hans On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 22:43 +0200, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote: Hi Hans and all, While looking at the help system you put in place, there is a question I have : in the applications/accounting/data/helpdata/HELP_ACCOUNTING_invoices.xml file, you put xi:include href=.../ after the last paragraph. I've seen it is to make links between documents but I can't see the links displayed in the help window. So, have I misunderstood the goal of those elements or is that the displaying of the links is not yet implemented ? thanks in advance, -- Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2
Is there any way we could get the nabble2 emails to come from the same address every time? Or does anyone know of a trick to get the mailing list to allow by pattern? So far I've had to moderate through every message coming through nabble since the nabble2 change over (hence the delays)... The from addresses are always funny things like the one on this message: ml-user+302710-826902...@n2.nabble.com -David On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Ashish Vijaywargiya (via Nabble) wrote: Thanks Jacques Hugo for your help - Much appreciated! -- Regards Ashish Vijaywargiya __ View message @ http://n2.nabble.com/Please-Migrate-Apache-OFBiz-forums-to-Nabble2-tp1657283p3820616.html To unsubscribe from Re: Please Migrate Apache OFBiz forums to Nabble2, click http://n2.nabble.com/subscriptions/Unsubscribe.jtp?code=dXNlckBvZmJpei5hcGFjaGUub3JnfDM3OTk0NTF8MTgwODgwNTgwNQ==
Re: Tax Calculation
Here is what I understand to setup tax calculations * TaxAuthority - register the Geo and the PartyID responsible for collecting taxes in that region * TaxAuthorityCategory - Add the productcategories to be charged for this taxauthority * TaxAuthorityRateProduct - Here you setup what type of tax you want to collect and the percentange After this, register a party with a geoID as above. Create a purchase order with this party. Hope my above information will help you a little bit. -Aswath On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Miguel Castellanos mcastella...@sinergium.net wrote: I’m trying to create an purchase order, I already register the article, the supplier, the warehouse, the productstore, the internal organization, and all the basic stuff, Including the taxauth whit geo: PER(Perú) – associated with a party(party group) with role(tax Authority) And when I finish my purchase order in the last step after the payment terms, and the shipment direction, I get the next error message: The address(es) used for tax calculation did not have state/province or country values set, so we cannot determine the taxes to charge. what did I miss? thanks Miguel Castellanos Consultor Funcional | Sinergium S.A.C |www.sinergium.net | mailto:jandr...@sinergium.net mcastella...@sinergium.net
Re: payment deferred/release
Hey am I not clear enough .. do you want me to explain it more clearly ? On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Abdullah Shaikh abdullah.sha...@viithiisys.com wrote: Also, my understanding is that authorisation/capture is same as deferred/release with the exception that authorisation/capture doesn't validate the cvv other validations but deferred/release does. By this what I meant was that authorisation/capture does validate cvv other validations but that it does in the second step i.e. in capture and not at the time of placing the order, that means if the capture service fails, which will be invoked by the merchant, then the merchant will have to inform the customer and ask him to place the order again. But in deferred/release, the validations takes place at the time of placing the order, that means if the customer enters the cvv code wrong then the customer stands the chance to reenter the cvv code, and there wont be any validations check when the merchant goes for releasing the payment because it has already been validated. Also the other difference between these 2 types is that in deferred/release the payment should ideally be released within 6 days as per credit card schemes, this restriction does not applies to authorise/capture type service. There may be other differences which I may not be aware off, but they its depends on your custom requirements. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Abdullah Shaikh abdullah.sha...@viithiisys.com wrote: I am implementing a payment gateway, in which instead of authorisation/capture i.e using interfaces ccAuthInterface ccCaptureInterface, I will be using deferred/release transaction types, to implement this I can do it using the before mentioned interfaces, but then I saw there is a interface for release i.e. paymentReleaseInterface but no interface definition for deferred, I guess there should be a interface defined for deferred type in services_paymentmethod.xml. Also, my understanding is that authorisation/capture is same as deferred/release with the exception that authorisation/capture doesn't validate the cvv other validations but deferred/release does. If the above statement is correct then, in order manager under Payment Information, currently we display Capture button when the payment is authorised, but if we implement the above, then we need to check if the payment was using the authorisation then display capture or if using deferred then display Release button. Does this makes sense or have I missed somethings ?
